call. (800) 378-9643. call now. >> now today's other top stories. residents across hawaii are picking up after a devastating storm pummeled the state with flash floods and strong winds. thousands are without power and beaches are littered with fallen trees and debris as crews work to reopen roads that have been buried in mud. a grand jury in new york indicted a doctor for prescribing an abortion pill in louisiana. this marks the first case in which a doctor would face criminal charges for sending pills to a different state. since roe v wade was overturned in 2022. and today, protests erupted across panama ahead of secretary of state marco rubio's visit this weekend. tensions are running high between the u.s. and panama

following president trump's recent threats to take control of the canal, which panama says is. not going to happen. d.o.j. firings, a potential fbi purge, a new tariff war and attack on die. a reality check on the trump administration as our new hour starts now. good day from msnbc in washington. welcome to alex witt reports. i'm christina ruffini in for alex today. we're going to start the hour with three big headlines. breaking news on the trump tariffs on canada, mexico and china. are they officially hitting today and how would we know? plus dramatic new developments this hour on the trump administration pushing out january 6th. prosecutors and breaking news on the mid-air collision near washington, dc. we are awaiting new information from the flight data recorders expected later today. of course, we have reporters and analysts in place covering all these developing storylines. we're going to start off with nbc's ryan riley, who's

following the latest developments out of the fbi and doj. he's also the author of sedition hunters how january 6th broke the justice system. ryan, what are we learning about these? it seems fairly senior fbi officials who were dismissed and why they were let go. >> yeah, this is a pretty big purge of the fbi involving a lot of high ranking fbi officials. and, you know, this isn't only at the fbi. this is also within doj in terms of the prosecutors, about two dozen of them who were on probationary status had had under two years under their belt, who had worked on january 6th cases. essentially, what they did is found the january 6th prosecutors who it would be easiest to fire and targeted them directly. and so, you know, i spoke with someone who left their office yesterday and then got this notification will have to go back and get their their materials back on monday. and that's when they were supposed to be starting their new job, their new job working in superior court, working some local cases because the u.s. attorney's office is sort of unique in d.c. in that it handles both these local cases

as well as federal crimes. here's what one of the other federal prosecutors had to say to rachel maddow last night. >> the interim u.s. attorney, ed martin, sent an email to. the entirety of the. u.s. attorney's office here. >> in washington. >> d.c, not specifically announcing terminations, but announcing. a preservation or litigation hold. i'm not going to sit here and say for sure that it means that there are plans to criminally prosecute those who investigated and prosecuted the january 6th offenses, but it does at least imply that there's going to be some investigation. and we've seen that already. you know, that investigation could be criminal, it could be civil, or it could just be internal. >> it is pretty remarkable. you know, the moment i think that we're in right now in terms of just prosecutors who are being fired, not because of any allegation of wrongdoing, just simply because of the types of cases they worked. and remember, the january 6th cases range from those sort of lower level misdemeanor cases involving unlawful parading, which typically resulted in just a

probationary sentence for a lot of those defendants all the way up to seditious conspiracy. and importantly, a lot of those assaults on federal officer charges, which were really, really brutal. you know, the fired january 6th prosecutor i spoke with last night said that it wasn't until they actually joined the prosecutorial effort themselves that they realized just how awful it got at the lower west tunnel on january 6th. christina. >> all right. ryan, riley, thank you so much for joining us. and we're going to turn now to some more breaking news. you're going to be hearing that a lot from us today. there's a lot going on. president trump has announced new u.s. military strikes in somalia. nbc's yamiche alcindor is following the president in west palm beach, florida. yamiche, what can you tell us about about these strikes and who they were going after? >> well, president trump today announced these strikes against isis in somalia. he made this announcement. and shortly after, the department of defense secretary pete hegseth posted this statement. i want to read part of it to you. he said our

initial assessment is that multiple operatives were killed in the airstrikes and no civilians were harmed. this action further degrades isis's ability to plot and conduct terrorist attacks threatening u.s. citizens, our partners and innocent civilians, and sends a clear signal that the united states always stands ready to find and eliminate terrorists who threaten the united states and our allies, even as we conduct robust border protection and many other operations under president trump's leadership. now, the context here is that these types of strikes have been carried out by previous administrations, including the biden administration. but this is the first time that president trump in this tenure that he's had his second administration, that he's announcing these strikes here. so it's something to definitely mark and, and, and take notice of. that being said, i want to make a big pivot here because there is a lot of news going on. christina. the other thing that we are looking at here is president trump's attacks on diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility programs and initiatives throughout the federal government. yesterday at the white house, the president was asked whether or not he could confirm that federal agencies were wiping information on their

websites related to dea issues. here's what he said. >> i don't know. it doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. dea is would have ruined our country and now it's dead. i think dea is dead. so if they want to scrub the website, that's okay with me. >> now, the president did sign a proclamation declaring that this month, february, is black history month. but that being said, a number of federal agencies are saying that they're not going to put federal resources toward a number of cultural awareness month. let's start with the department of defense. they sent out a statement that said identity months are dead at dod, and i want to walk through some of the months that they're targeting. they're targeting black history month, women's history month, asian american and pacific islander heritage month, pride month, national hispanic heritage month, national disability employment awareness month, and national american indian heritage month. now, the defense intelligence agency also ordered a pause on all activities related to a number of other things and other, we

would say sort of other observances, including holocaust remembrance day. now, the department of agriculture is also doing something that's not related to these months, but that's something that is sort of encapsulated in all this dei stuff, and that is that they are scrubbing information about climate change. the cdc is also scrubbing information about a number of hiv related programs. and then we also saw the office of personnel management send out a note that said, by 5 p.m. yesterday that gender ideology, what they're calling gender ideology terms that they needed to be done away with, including pronouns, pronouns in email signatures. so this is really a sweeping anti dea movement by the trump administration. and that's how we're seeing a lot of stuff get carried out. christina. >> yamiche, the other thing that kind of struck me from those remarks from the president is he kept saying, well, if they are doing it and if this is something they are doing, he seemed to be separating himself a little bit from this action. what is that about? >> it's interesting. he was basically saying, you know, the

federal agencies are going to do what they need to do because they are in some ways saying that they're taking these actions because they're compelled by an executive order that he signed within the first few days targeting dei programs. so he's saying, essentially, the heads of the agencies are doing what they need to do. he's still saying he's going to celebrate black history month. we heard the white house press secretary say that they were going to celebrate black history month at the white house. so that is in some ways federal resources going to black history month. but you're seeing other agencies, including, as i said, the department of defense, saying we're not going to use our resources toward that. so i think there was a little bit of a hedging there. but let's remember, overall, president trump made this a key part of his campaign when he was running and has made it a key part of his administration targeting daca programs. christina. >> exactly right. yamiche alcindor, thank you so much. we're going to turn now to more breaking news at this hour. today, we'll hear from officials about the ongoing recovery efforts in those icy waters of the potomac after wednesday's mid-air collision of an american airlines jet and a military helicopter. nbc's aaron gilchrist is at reagan national airport. aaron, when do we think

we're going to learn what exactly was on those black boxes? that it's my understanding they have been recovered. >> well, the ntsb plans to brief us at around 6:00 tonight, eastern time, and we hope to be able to ask some questions about that very thing. we know that the black boxes have been recovered from both aircraft, and there's an expectation that they'll be able to extract information from both of those black boxes. but when exactly will be able to learn exactly full detail about what was on them? well, it may be some time before that's even possible. the ntsb has made it a point to say that they are on an extensive fact finding mission, one that will require them to not only extract and calibrate and read the information on those recorders, but also a mission that will require them to make sure they're able to collect debris from the potomac river behind us here at reagan national airport to make sure that they're able to do interviews with anybody who may have been in the in the control

tower, for example. we know they've done at least some interviews with the staff that was there. at the same time, there's this very robust effort to make sure that the remains of all the people who were on those aircraft are found. we know that at least 41 bodies have been recovered. that was as of yesterday's update from the d.c. fire department. and that means that there are more than 20 bodies that have yet to be recovered. the fire chief said that he believed that they would need to raise the fuselage from the aircraft, from the airplane, in order to recover the remaining bodies. and so today, tomorrow, we know that there is an intense planning effort to do that. we know that barges are being brought up into this area. the navy is going to be helping with the supervision of the raising of the fuselage. and this is something that has to be done very carefully, very delicately, because the, the, the expectation is that there are still bodies inside the fuselage. and so they want to be as respectful to this process as possible, as respectful,

respectful as possible to those victims when they make the move to raise the fuselage here. and then that will be taken to a facility where the ntsb and its investigators will be able to start piecing together a story about what actually happened here that led to this army blackhawk helicopter hitting this american airlines regional jet. christina. >> all right, nbc's aaron gilchrist at ryan reagan national airport. excuse me. thank you so much. we're going to go now to philadelphia, where the investigation is just getting started. in last night's deadly crash of a medical jet. nbc's maya lin is up there near the crash site. maya officials today are confirming some new information. what do we know? >> hey, christina. yeah. that's right. we heard from governor shapiro and mayor parker today at a press conference that in addition to the six people who died on that plane yesterday, one more person on the ground here in philadelphia also died. they were inside a car. we're also hearing that at least 19 others have been injured in this

incident. officials are telling us those numbers may be fluid in the next coming days. as all of this kind of gets finalized, this is still an ongoing investigation. this all happened friday between 615 and 630, when a jet rescue air medical ambulance that just took off down a few miles away crashed. and we know that from the faa on that flight was one female miner who was here from mexico to get life saving treatment. she was with her mother and four other crew passengers when the plane went down. it actually scattered a lot of debris. officials are encouraging folks to report any if they see it. and here's a little bit more from the mayor today who spoke about everything that's happening here in philadelphia. take a listen. >> your city. >> is working. >> around the clock with all of our local, state and federal partners on every element of this tragedy. there are no silos. there may be specific

lanes. there may be specific assignments that each of these respective agencies are responsible for. but the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, and they are collaborating on a consistent basis. >> some of the community members that some of the community members that i spoke to here also kind of shaken up about this. some of the employees at a nearby diner actually had a metal piece enter through a glass window and were hesitant to come back, but there's still a lot to be done here on the ground. as investigators continue to try and figure out what happened. christina. >> all right. maya eaglin in philadelphia for us. thank you so much. we want to bring in martin gotham. he's a retired black hawk pilot and instructor. martin. before we get to the black hawk incident, what do you think officials are looking at for this tragedy in philadelphia involving this medical flight, this learjet? it sounds like the flight was not in the air that long before it crashed. what does that tell you? and what will officials be looking for? >> christina. it probably had

some sort of severe flight control malfunction in order. to crash. >> that shortly after takeoff. >> there wasn't any icing. >> you know, even losing an engine. >> necessarily wouldn't cause that kind of rapid descent. so for some reason, whether it was striking birds or anything else or it's just some sort of severe mechanical flight control malfunction, there's a reason. it came out of the sky that fast. >> i also want to ask you, given your experience about the black hawk crash out near reagan national airport, you know, questions are mounting about whether the helicopter was flying too high, whether it was outside of its approved flight path at the time of the crash. can you explain what role the altitude could have had in the tragedy? what are the sight lines from that helicopter? and is it the responsibility of the smaller, more maneuverable vehicle to stay out of the line of these jets that are landing? or does it depend on the situation and what the air traffic controllers are telling you? >> so for. >> a. long time, these helicopters have been coming down the potomac. and in that

specific area. >> christina. >> they're restricted to 200ft and below. >> now. >> when you're out there flying at night, night vision goggles, you're probably going to be right at the top of that altitude because you're trying to make sure that you don't get too close to the river, obviously. and it's worked for a long time. the fact that they would sequence a jet in for a visual approach to three three runway three three right across the flight path of that black hawk is really surprising to me. it appears that the tower had become complacent with allowing that to happen all the time, allowing the jets actually to even cross over the helicopters as they came down the potomac. and in this case, it appears the black hawk may have been 150ft high. and that's not a major altitude excursion. so the question that that becomes from that is, if they were at 200ft, would the crew have been passing over them at 150ft? and that gets into the altitude not only

of the black hawk, but also the crew who, rather than flying a very precise instrument approach to runway one, now was asked at the last minute to come around, circle around further to the east, and then come back in on a visual approach where the altitudes are a little more discretionary with the pilot as they come into the runway. on final approach. >> you know, when you get an incident like this, everybody on twitter becomes an expert. but one of the things i was seeing from a couple of different people who have flown black hawks as they were talking about the sight lines, and that you're not necessarily seeing what could be obvious to someone from far away because you're looking down at the water, you're looking at your instruments. you know, whether you do or do not have on night vision goggles. is it possible they didn't see this plane? >> so the real reason that that would have been extremely difficult to pick out is if they're under goggles. night vision goggles. and that works well for the water beneath you and in a low light area. the crash is coming from their left

over all the city lights. and remember, they're at the same altitude. so to spot a crash, even with its landing light on, that's 90 degrees from you coming left to right at your altitude under goggles is extremely difficult. in fact, pilots i've spoken to in that segment at night would usually flip their goggles up because the goggles can actually be a hindrance to your to your sight. with all those lights being magnified under the night vision goggles. >> right? it's like somebody coming at you with their brights on, you know, on the highway. it kind of flares out everything. and i get it. it could it could be hard to see. i'm also wondering, can you explain to us a little bit about we're very familiar with black boxes on airliners, but is the black box on the helicopter any different? and what do we expect to learn from it? >> so just like the commercial jets, the blackhawks had installed both cockpit voice recorders and flight data recorders. so those will be able to provide the faa from both aircraft. the exact flight parameters, airspeeds altitudes, everything else. but most

importantly in the cockpit voice recorder. what were the crews talking about? was one of them on the map where they both looking out, and the black hawk has two crew chiefs in the back. they only had one on board. so a question i had is which side was the crew chief on? was he on the right side because they were coming down by reagan international, or was he on the left side? so he would have had an extra pair of eyes out the left side of the aircraft looking for that crash. but the pilot acknowledged that he had the crew in sight, which clearly he did not. so with another aircraft being vectored and turning into runway one, he probably saw that aircraft and mistook it for the aircraft that the tower was was advising him to pass behind. just a terrible confluence of events. all right, martin, thank you so much for joining us. and coming up, what do the first two weeks of the trump administration suggest about the next four years? we'll about the next four years? we'll be (vo) in 90s. sail through the heart of historic cities and unforgettable scenery with viking.

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trump administration. joining us now is atlantic staff writer and msnbc political contributor mark leibovich. mark, what is your reaction to what's going on at the fbi and how big of a deal do you think this is? >> well, i mean. >> like. >> a lot of things that. >> are. >> happening. >> simultaneously. >> it's. >> a little hard. >> to judge the traditions of the fbi and the justice department. >> and how these things typically work. >> i mean, it looks very. >> much from the outside. >> like they are. >> trying to, you know, obviously trying to identify and. try to sort of perhaps punish. >> or perhaps. >> do. >> something to change. >> the. >> work environment of people who worked on cases related to donald trump. so obviously, you know, that's not something that is typically happening. and the other thing is it's dealing with hundreds, if not thousands of employees, many of whom, if not most of whom had no choice whatsoever on working on this. it's not like they raised their hand and said, i want to go after this. i want i'm fascinated by this case and so forth. so look, we'll see. i mean, it's unclear whether some kind of mass resignation or mass

firing will result from this. but the bottom line is it hasn't been it hasn't happened before. but it also look, i mean, we're talking about a massive personnel overhaul that once you dismantle an agency like this is very hard not only to rebuild, but also to try to find people who are willing to do these jobs in a period of time in which, you know, these these presidencies, you know, tend to go fast. >> and this flood the zone approach, i mean, there's so much going on simultaneously by the trump administration. it kind of feels like steve bannon would applaud this. it feels like something he would he would endorse. how long do you think this pace can last? >> well. >> i mean, it's certainly familiar. i mean this has been mimicked. this echoes a lot of aspects of his first term and echoes many aspects of both of his campaigns. it seems to be going at a higher rate. it also seems perhaps more organized. it feels like there might be more of a method to the this, this time around. because, you know, as we've heard and i think we're seeing this is probably better

prepared, more experienced group that is much more in line with what donald trump wants. and a lot of them have been through this before, know what they're looking for and so forth. so, look, i mean, i think but i think ultimately the same rhythm applies. and these things do ebb and flow. but it's been obviously a constant drumbeat for the first, you know, couple weeks of this and we'll see where it leads. >> i also want to ask you about president trump's first press conference following that dc crash. you know, it wasn't the first time he's made insensitive and demonstrably false statements following a national tragedy. but what is your response to him using this crash to kind of promote his political agenda, especially with this di allegation that doesn't seem to be founded in any any truth, you know, do you believe his aides are encouraging him to be more solemn and respectful, or do you think they're on board with whatever this is? >> i think the structure in place right now is that his aides are not going to speak up, and even if they did, he's not

going to listen to them. i mean, this is a full on trump. let trump be trump on steroids. you know, again, we've seen aspects of this in both campaigns in the first term. i mean, i think any president in history other than him would probably just stick to the normal playbook of expressing compassion, mourning thoughts and prayers, that kind of thing. but basically, the human funds, this is completely different. but again, it is not out of character. it doesn't strike me, and it certainly shouldn't strike anyone as out of character who has been watching donald trump for the last ten years. and to some degree, i mean, this is democracy at work because all of this stuff is very much in place. all these behaviors were very much accounted for coming in, and america voted for it. so, i mean, this is what, you know, that election has wrought so far. we'll see how long it sustains itself. >> i mean, look, anyone who covered the first trump administration knows how chaotic it can be, but it seems to be there's you know, there was this spending freeze and then it was unfrozen. i've been talking to folks in canada and mexico. they

don't even seem to know if these tariffs are in place yet. it seems a little bit more chaotic at the top. do you think that's going to calm down as these you know, these changes are put into place. or do you think it's going to cascade. and we should be expecting this for the foreseeable future. >> i certainly would expect it for the foreseeable future, because it does seem to be his style right now. he does seem to be driven. i also think he's probably watching the clock. i mean, i don't know if he intuitively thinks this way, but look, this is his last bite of the apple and he's not wasting any time. i do think that from the outside, i think to the average person and probably to the average trump voter, they don't pay close enough attention to sort of see what ultimately is coming of this, whether there's a sort of court injunction or something like that, whether they withdraw these orders. i mean, mostly what this gives the appearance of is action. someone who has come in and is doing something, someone who is fighting for, you know, exactly pretty much what he campaigned on. and i think that's probably going to be enough for people. and look, i

mean, i think at this point, the real life ramifications of this haven't trickled quite far down yet. but, you know, that could change over time. obviously. >> we also had some contentious hearings on the hill with tulsi gabbard, robert f kennedy and kash patel. is there one of those or two of those that you think might not get confirmed? and how were their performances this week? >> yeah, i mean, it's possible, and i think right now, i mean, if you want to sort of listen to conventional wisdom, and i haven't been close to these, to these hearings and i haven't talked to anyone on the hill about it, but i think it looks like gabbard might be the most vulnerable at this point. those three, especially together, you sort of can look at maybe hex it before, even though he, you know, he was narrowly confirmed, were seen as as the real vulnerabilities. and i think, look, there were some rocky moments in all three of those confirmation hearings. you know, the question is, are they going to move the needle with a couple of senators, you know, beyond the people that you would

expect, whether it's collins, murkowski or what have you? again, we're talking with a very, very low margin. but also the precedent is that republicans, if they have any doubt at all, are going to give trump the benefit of it. and that's what we've seen traditionally, and we're certainly seeing it now. >> all right, mark leibovich, thank you so much for joining us. and coming up it's happening. but how will we know when it happens. the trump tariffs and their impact i got this $1,000 camera for only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. i got this kitchenaid stand mixer for only $56. i got this bbq smoker for 26 bucks. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save.

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>> we have breaking news. there are several new reports on president trump's tariff threats possibly becoming a reality. canada's cbc, citing three sources, says the country is expected to hit back today with retaliatory tariffs of its own. prime minister justin trudeau is reportedly expected to make an announcement tonight, and canada's ctv reporting trudeau will meet local officials at the top of the hour on trump's vow to impose 25% tariffs. joining us now is nbc news business correspondent brian chung. brian, can we expect to see more retaliatory tariffs in response to trump's measures from different countries that he's threatened with these kinds of actions? >> yeah, it sounds like the reporting from the canadian press does seem to seem to suggest, rather, that there will be some sort of retaliatory action from canada, our neighbors to the north. but i want to point out, we haven't even really gotten the official word that the tariffs are in effect yet. we haven't heard anything from the white house, at least at least from the press vantage point in terms of whether or not those tariffs

have actually happened today, what those tariffs actually look like. all of this coming after the explicit announcement from the press secretary, caroline leavitt, as well as president trump himself from the oval office yesterday, saying that they would take effect at some point today on this saturday. but again, it's a bit of a schrodinger's tariff situation right now. we haven't had the official reaction, although you can see the reaction over to our friends in the north, where it does seem like they're at least prepping something that seems to point to some sort of implicit acknowledgment that these tariffs are indeed coming. today. >> schrödinger's tariff i think you get extra points for that one. you might want to run and copyright that pretty quickly. i'm wondering if you're hearing, like officials i'm speaking to say not only is it not clear if and when these tariffs are going into place, they're not exactly sure what trump wants from them, right. he said he wants canada to crack down on fentanyl and secure the border. but it's very amorphous and it's not specific steps. so do these countries even know what they could possibly do to undo the tariffs at some point in the future? >> yeah. and this is where the minutia of how the tariffs will be implemented, presumably

through some sort of document or executive action or notice from the us trade representative's office, will outline exactly how this works. could it be some sort of thing where the 25% tariffs are in effect until there is x action on fentanyl and the example that you just pointed to? either way, this is a substantial development when these tariffs do come to pass. because when you talk about china mexico and canada these are the three biggest trade partners you can see on the screen ahead of you just how many billions of dollars we import from those countries into the united states. those three countries make up for 42% of all imports into the united states. that also, when you consider the fact that you have a number of localities that are worried about the impact to their local economies, i want to point out to what illinois governor jb pritzker said with regards to the impact of the tariffs. take a listen. >> that's right. the people of illinois, the people of the united states, are going to pay the price for what donald trump is doing. let me tell you, canada and mexico are our two largest trading partners. here in illinois. we get most of our natural gas and also gasoline

from north, right from canada. so when you impose a 25% tariff, you're imposing that tariff on working families in illinois. and underscore that point. economists that we've spoken to have said, yes, this would likely lead to inflationary pressures, not just in the united states, but in canada and mexico as well. and i want to point out, i even spoke with an auto parts dealer, a local body shop that said they would have to raise prices as well. even just an oil change could increase from about 60 to 80 bucks right now to $100 just for a routine change just because of these tariffs. these are real impacts here. >> okay. brian chung, thank you very much. and coming up, the trump plan to send people en masse to guantanamo bay. what that will look like. we're going to talk to someone who's reported on gitmo for years. coming up next. >> land.

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washington post democracy reporter sarah allison. sarah, you have this new article out in the post where you spoke to more than two dozen trump critics, and they talked about ways they're trying to protect themselves and their families, should they become the target of this administration. what did they tell you? what really stands out from those conversations? well, thank you for. >> having me first. >> these are people. >> some of whom are not. >> trump critics at all. >> we spoke to people who are. >> election officials who. >> were just. administering elections in their county. >> or in their state. and but what they told. >> us, and we. >> were talking to them even. before some of the actions. >> that. >> you mentioned. >> had been implemented. >> these are people who have been afraid of what. >> is going. >> to. >> happen to them. >> in a. >> second trump. >> administration. >> because donald trump has. >> talked about how he. >> is the retribution of his supporters. what these people told us is that they have been. packing go bags. they have. >> been preparing.

>> for who will take care of their children in case they are arrested. they have been sort of conspiring, not conspiring, but talking with one another about. >> how to. >> handle these different threats. and they're. >> particularly worried. >> about donald. >> trump's pick to run the fbi. kash patel, who has said explicitly that he wants to retaliate against people who tried to steal the last election, which we know was not stolen. just there's no evidence for that. the 2020 election being stolen and other actions that he and others in the trump administration have promised to take, including lawsuits and other investigations that they have said that they will make. >> i want to follow up on something you said, because it really stood out to me in the article as well. i mean, people are so concerned. they're going so far as to ask relatives, neighbors, friends to take care of their children in case they are, you know, picked up and arrested. yes. >> i mean, a lot of the people. >> we have a few people in this story that we're willing to talk

to us on the record. and there were others who just did not want to draw additional attention to themselves. and i will say that the vast majority of the people that we spoke to were not the, quote unquote, famous names that you would think, you know, it was not anthony fauci or, you know, any of the you know, it was not nancy pelosi or the sort of the elected officials or appointees that you would think that you would heard in the news. but these are people whose names are largely not known to most americans and are people who are worried, you know, they have young children. they've been swatted while they're trying to watch movies with their children at night. and they are concerned about what who is going to take care of their families if they are detained or picked up by some authority. >> you also write that officials who were involved in administering the 2020 election are particularly worried about being targeted, and that includes michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson, who had

armed protesters show up at her house. she said that since trump was elected, quote, part of it is thinking through how as a mom, i would prepare for my kids, for fbi agents showing up at our door. but you say officials like her are looking for ways to also go on the offense against these trump threats. how are they doing that? >> so one of the things that secretary benson specifically mentioned was how there were certain individuals who trump really targeted. trump and his supporters really targeted the last time after the 2020 election. and you can take litigation, you can take private legal action against people who defame you. you can investigate other officials who might be threatening you. i mean, there are private actions and also other investigations that state officials can can ask for if they feel they have been threatened by members of the trump administration or simply his supporters. so again, those

are those are the mechanisms that they're talking about using. >> and very quickly, you know, i understand the concern. people are very nervous. do you think the concerns are legitimate or do you think people are panicking? do you think it's somewhere in the middle? how do you assess the real threat here? very quickly please. >> sure. well, initially people in the in the trump white house were saying this is overblown. you shouldn't feel threatened. and then what we have seen in this past week are very specific actions taken by the trump administration to actually take this kind of retribution. so i don't think it is overstated. >> okay. thank you so much for joining us. and thank you for watching. i'm christina ruffini. alex witt is back tomorrow. up next, the beat weekend. >> with new. >> reporting on a.