that they're talking about using. >> and very quickly, you know, i understand the concern. people are very nervous. do you think the concerns are legitimate or do you think people are panicking? do you think it's somewhere in the middle? how do you assess the real threat here? very quickly please. >> sure. well, initially people in the in the trump white house were saying this is overblown. you shouldn't feel threatened. and then what we have seen in this past week are very specific actions taken by the trump administration to actually take this kind of retribution. so i don't think it is overstated. >> okay. thank you so much for joining us. and thank you for watching. i'm christina ruffini. alex witt is back tomorrow. up next, the beat weekend. >> with new. >> reporting on a.

>> partizan purge. >> a plan to. politicize the fbi. >> this involves donald trump. >> and i'm going to show you exactly what's happening. but the. >> first thing to know is. >> this breaks with history. >> and precedent. >> it is not normal. it is not standard, and it is not. part of the other. >> traditional and. >> even expected. >> personnel moves. >> that you have between administrations. you may have. >> heard the term political. appointee and our coverage of these hearings. that's all standard. what's not standard, and what could. >> be a friday night sort. >> of news. >> dump. >> an effort to hide. >> something that donald. trump doesn't want you. >> to see on the news tonight. is this. >> top. >> nonpartisan and career fbi officials basically. >> being pushed. >> in a so-called. purge to. >> resign or. >> face firing. agents who were involved in. >> investigations of. >> maga. >> of the crime spree that was well. documented on january. >> 6th. >> and related. investigations that also touched on donald trump's. >> role. >> they are being told, as the ap reports, that they'll be moved to fire those agents

involved in that. >> a letter was sent. >> to agents. quote, given your significant role in prosecuting. >> the president, a reference. >> to when. >> they were. >> investigating the former. >> president, the fbi actually. >> does not prosecute. >> although. it gathers the evidence. therefore. >> quote. >> i do not. >> believe the leadership. >> of the department. >> can trust you. >> to assist in implementing the president's agenda faithfully. the new york times reports. >> this could affect hundreds of career agents. >> we're talking about the nonpartisan people who keep the country safe, and we're talking about expertise that's used to deal with crime fighting from national security, terror investigations, the immigration issues that the administration has said they care about. this is a gutting of that. for allegedly political reasons. nbc's ken dilanian reports. this is also. >> national targeting. >> over 20 heads of fbi. >> field offices. >> including in big cities. >> like miami and washington. >> now, donald trump has. >> tapped kash. >> patel, who's had those hearings. just this week to run the fbi. and in a sign that some were. concerned about this

possibility, the idea that punishing. >> people going. >> after agents who. >> did. >> their jobs for political reasons would be a bad thing. and notice that mr. patel, whether he was aware of this coming or not, disclaimed, basically opposed what multiple outlets are reporting trump and his team are now trying to do tonight. >> are you aware. >> of any. >> plans or discussions to punish in any way, including termination, fbi agents or personnel associated with trump investigations? >> i'm not. >> i'm not aware of that. thank you. >> patel saying there yesterday he was. >> not aware of that. and other question that i'm going. >> to. >> show you which matters to all this. he also said there shouldn't be political purges. let me show you more of the reporting. the ap says this would be and has begun as a major blow to the historic independence from the white house of the. >> fbi. >> part of a startling pattern of retribution waged on federal government employees. i want to be very clear this is a break in

precedent. while if you go back far enough in history there have been fbi abuses, i've mentioned that in our coverage since the reform of the hoover era, you have had a past fbi directors, of course, fbi agents and other special counsels who, by their very definition of their jobs, sometimes have to investigate. people in the federal government could be members of congress accused of bribery, could be people who work for the president, could involve the president himself. but those folks have typically stayed on the job and not faced retribution or firing. and to state the obvious, i'll just spell it out for you. if the united states becomes the type of country that fires law enforcement for doing law enforcement, then we will have a completely tilted, corrupt version of law enforcement. make no mistake, what the letter says, according to these multiple outlets, is that these fbi agents who are nonpartisan, who are the career folks, many of them are being asked to leave or fired because they did their job and because they

investigated maga and because they investigated something. we all live through a convicted sedition against the democracy and the capital of the united states. last friday, donald trump also did a late night purge of a different branch of the government. these were inspectors general. and i want to be clear, parts of that removal may ultimately prove lawful. that is, even though the president might have violated the notice rules and the statute on that, he does ultimately have the authority there to remove inspectors general. if, however, in the future, folks can prove that this was an effort to politicize law enforcement or to do selective prosecution, to get rid of the nonpartisan people and bring in partizan people, and if they start doing partizan investigations or prosecutions, that itself could be unlawful. that's one reason kash patel, himself the fbi's nominee under the trump administration, said they're against this type of political retribution and purging of fbi agents. let's go to someone who knows all about this. frank figliuzzi was former assistant director for

counter-intel at the fbi. walk us through where this fits in. i mentioned that the president has wide authority to pick his cabinet and team. there's an advice and consent of the senate. but that type of personnel shift, we see very standard this reaching down to the agent level to field offices and all but admitting that it's for partizan purposes. how extreme is this, and does it concern you about the crime fighting abilities of the fbi going forward? >> yeah, ari, this is. >> indeed unprecedented in the history of the fbi. and the one message i hope people hear tonight is that we are now significantly less safe as a nation. when you are peeling away layers of leadership right down to field office squads and agents and even analysts, you are making america less safe at any given time in this country. there are multiple terror plots being tracked by the fbi and interference and intervention is what prevents them from playing out entirely. god help us if one

of the offices impacted by this purge at several layers of leadership and even some of their best agents being walked out or told to go home, there's a terror plot playing out. that's that's not a political thing. that's a safety thing. the other thing that's that's happening is any semblance of diversity, and inclusion is literally being wiped off the map. the new york times put out a photo today of the walls of quantico, the fbi academy, where they're painting over the fbi's core values to include integrity, adherence to the constitution and diversity. a less diverse fbi is a less effective fbi. try doing surveillance on the street in the inner city with two white guys. try working undercover in a middle eastern terror organization with a white guy. it doesn't work that way. so we're becoming less and less safe very quickly. >> understood. i mentioned that kash patel disclaimed, said he

opposed this with the times and the ap and other outlets are reporting. and i mentioned that, frank, because as you know, and i think our viewers know there are a lot of efforts underway to minimize and normalize everything, or to say that everything is a sort of an outburst, a quote unquote emotional, exaggerated response to what donald trump is doing. and that's even one of the rhetorical devices. and yet, i think it matters tonight that what we just reported and what you said could make america less safe is something that donald trump's fbi nominee felt the need, under oath to say, no, he wouldn't do that. he's against that. and it's literally what now, today is being reported. that's the introduction for a short bit of sound from patel under oath. take a look. >> if you. >> can't commit that, those fbi. >> agents will be protected. from political retribution. >> we can't accept you as fbi

director. >> all fbi. >> employees will be protected against political. >> they deserve. >> frank. >> look, if anybody looks at what's happening in reality and what kash patel testified to before congress, there's only one conclusion. he was being less than truthful. he was lying. and it is what we've seen other nominees do back away from all of their prior statements and conduct and pretend to be somebody they're not, even while it's happening in real life. what the senate should do is call him back, call him back to the hill and say, please explain what's going on and how you don't possibly understand what's going on in the agency. you're going to try to lead. >> what should americans do with this information? there's what donald trump promotes. and i think folks who follow the news have a sense of that. doctor phil is on the ride along. there's big, bold statements. there's executive orders which

legally disintegrate in a matter of days because they weren't written according to the constitution. but he wanted the headlines. there's all of that. and then there's this. what could be a pattern? according to the ap reporting that led into the friday late hours, you get these other agenda items which affect a lot of things. they might affect the safety of washington and miami and other field offices, and they're not being promoted. they're almost being hidden. what are we to make of that? and what should what should people do? >> so first order of business, contact your member of congress, your member of the senate, particularly if they serve on committees that are handling nominees, and particularly if it's judiciary with the fbi and say you feel less safe because of what's happening here. secondly, inevitably, what i'm hearing is there will be funding requests to help these agents and employees, many of whom, by the way, are not eligible for retirement. they have kids to feed, tuition to pay for college kids, and they're going to be kicked out the door with

nothing. and they're going to need to fight this in court. by the way, most of this is highly illegal. summary dismissals without gross gross misconduct are illegal, but it could take a year or two for these to walk their work their way through the courts. they're going to need help with legal funding. >> and let. >> me since. >> you said it, let me let you explain that. so this could be an unlawful firing. it's not that it's some new crime, but that if they break the statute and the protections, it's unlawful. and yet one of the problems we're seeing and testing or pushing is what exposes this. you're reminding folks that that has to then be pursued, what in the federal court process and can take a long time for an agent or anyone to get to get any remedy for that? >> oh for sure. yeah. i think back to pete strzok or andy mccabe at the highest levels of the fbi being terminated, all eventually getting their back pay, getting getting their pensions back. but that took a very long time. and those guys were without income for a very long time.

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he's using that to shape policy and spending. musk visited an agency overseeing federal buildings. he wants to terminate leases of what they view as, quote, mostly empty federal offices. and he also went to opm. that's kind of the hr for the federal government and pushed his way around there. again, he's not heading any agency. he's not in the cabinet for any single agency. and yet you're seeing him try to effortlessly use the efforts to kind of shape more than one agency at a time without sitting down and doing the work or the homework of understanding what those different departments and agencies do and what their staff does, and what the general counsel might say about the law. even at his companies, which have known to be disruptive, sometimes effectively. so musk has shown more interest or appetite in learning first. that's not happening. and as someone who has both worked inside at one point and covered the federal government, it's not so easy to just make it all up as you go without breaking a lot of things. millions of federal

officers now workers, nonpartisan staff have gotten an email that says, quote, fork in the road where musk, who is, again, not the president, but maybe overshadowing president trump right now, says that this is a time where they could leave. now, that might be a loophole where he's hoping to just oust people or scare them, because it is harder to just fire millions of people. it was the same language used, the times points out, when he tried to oust folks and he took over twitter. then you can think about how he sounded out on the stump. >> this was no ordinary victory. this was a fork in the road of human civilization. it is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured. >> if you know the yogi berra line, when you come to a fork in the road, take it. well, that's what he's hoping these officials do. others are urging people in the government not to rush out just because musk is telling them to quit. there's also an executive order where trump moved musk's agency inside parts

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department and a bank, right? obviously. but he's trying to do a version of that. several big companies with government contracts having influence over multiple agencies while claiming, hey, he's not he's not really in this government. well. >> technically he's. >> not. >> but also he's technically. but i think realistically he's actually running the government. i mean, elon musk is actually running the us government right now, not donald trump. elon musk has had more say in more decisions than virtually anybody i can remember, short of the president of the united states. and it reminds me very much of the movie the usual suspects. >> where you're. >> watching the movie and by the end, a side character, turns out, is the main character. >> and all. >> the clues. >> were there all. >> along that he was the one who was really in charge. but everybody disregarded it, including democrats. and i think that's actually been an issue for the democratic party. we've disregarded his power and influence, and we still don't know how to properly message or fight back against what he's bringing. >> now, i'm going to bring the

mayor into this in a second. but first i have to push back. jay, i think the keyser soze character, right, is far more mellow and understated than what we've seen from mr. musk. >> i think that i think point. point well taken. that is probably true. >> i mean. >> you know, keyser susan was hidden in the shadows. but then. but then at the end, he. does emerge. and then, you know, chazz palminteri figures out, oh my gosh, it was keyser soze who was really running this whole thing all along. and i think for a lot of democrats, it was it's now become the same realization. >> follow up question. and i only do this on fridays and i won't put you on the spot the same way. chazz, is performance there better than a bronx tale? >> you know what? >> i have. >> a certain affection for a bronx tale. you know, i saw it when i was like a teenager, and it did have, like, a real impact on me. i liked robert de niro's work in a great deal. and so, you know, i'm going to go with bronx tale over usual suspects. but for most americans, i would think the usual suspects is what they know. chazz, primarily from. >> mr. mayor. we ask the hard

questions, even in tough times, as you can see. but i will redirect away from cinema. and back to the point. you have been someone in the hot seat, right? you run a city. you were a campaign co-chair. have you ever seen this fuzing of business and public leadership? does this type of conflict hurt the public? absolutely. we have. >> ethics laws. >> you just mentioned. >> that elon musk and his companies. >> have government contracts. >> the notion. >> that. >> he's not. >> filled out an. >> ethics form. >> that he's making decisions that could. >> impact his. >> companies boggles the mind. democrat or republican? >> look. >> the notion of doge and government efficiency, i've said. >> it's not a. >> conservative or republican notion that we should. want accountability in government, that we. >> should want. >> efficiency in. >> government, but. >> not chaos in government. >> and as what we can see. >> we have chaos.

>> in government. people being told by the office of. personnel and management. that they can take, they can resign on their own. only congress can authorize that, not opm. there's a lot of things going on right now at the fbi, at all the agencies that are going to have an impact on our ability to run those agencies. >> do you see a link to this type of pressure on nonpartisan officials throughout the government to leave? that's sort of what musk was pushing and why he wants to get his hands on. apparently, email systems, communication payments. you see a link to that, to what we reported earlier, that they want to oust people at the fbi so that they can magnify everything. >> there's no question that they're looking for loyalists. they're looking for people that say yes and don't question authority. look, when i was mayor, i had people question. >> authority. >> when i was speaker. the same

thing. we don't we don't elect kings in our democracy. in fact, we had a revolution over king george overreaching. at the end of the day, all this is going to lead is to chaos. you'll see many of these decisions get overturned in the courts, and hopefully we'll get back to some sanity. >> yeah. the other thing that people are tired of, jay, because it's like we hear it all the time, is all these quietly concerned republicans, right? i don't know who made a rule that you run for office. you're an adult. a lot of these folks in the in the congress, they're in their 50s, 60s and 70s. this idea that they cannot speak in public about donald trump or maga, i think is striking. but peggy noonan, who's well sourced, who worked for reagan, has a new piece. she discusses what she calls the collapse of the old order and writes that republican lawmakers has on her authority. she's writing in the journal. that means it's

supposed to be true. her sources are in this congress, most supportive of the president. those are the ones we'd all recognize. again, i don't have her list. it's anonymous. right? but many people we might know, she says. they are, quote, beside themselves with anxiety over the dangers that are happening right now. what does that tell you, and what should that tell the public? that two weeks in, if you believe peggy noonan and the fact checking the wall street journal and her republican sources, even the president's loudest public allies in congress actually are anxious that this could lead to major consequences for the country. >> well, it tells me a lot of people were not paying attention during the campaign. i mean, during the campaign, donald trump told us very clearly what he believes and what he will do as president. he made it very, very clear. it was heavily discussed. we had numerous republicans say, including on the show, ambassador gordon sondland. oh, you know, that's not serious. that's not going to happen. >> the show, he called it.

>> yeah. the show, you know, it's all a show. you know, that that that all the things, crazy things that trump is saying he's not really going to do. he's just putting on a show. don't take it seriously. that was that was a repeated refrain from republicans. and now guess what? they have found out that they were quite wrong about this. that donald trump is running, is doing exactly what he said he was going to do as president. he is absolutely disrupting the order of the of the government in favor of enriching himself and his billionaire buddy, elon musk. that is exactly what has happened. and all the signs were available to us throughout the entire campaign. >> you know what i'd say? >> look, if. >> they're anxious about anything, they're anxious about the next election. they can see this chaos is not going to end very well for anyone, for the country, for the government, for them who have essentially given him a free rein to nominate

maybe the most unqualified group of people for major jobs. you know, marco rubio, people understand why he's secretary of state. but hegseth and some of the others. there's no question that if they have a concern, it's about their elections. it's about the politics of all of this, which is why they say nothing when he says things that boggle the mind that, you know, go against the grain of everything we've ever seen before. >> yeah. in closing, because it's friday, we can do the movie you recommend for the times we're living in. no pressure on you, because i know you're more politics than cinema. like this guy. i'll do mine. idiocracy. which is a warning not about ideology or partizanship, but what happens if we become so

obsessed with entertainment and being, quote, entertained that we lose sight of governing ourselves? commentary. >> yeah, i'm going to recommend a movie that is right now in theaters, so hopefully people go out and see it. it's the brutalist. it was nominated for best picture stars. adrien brody also nominated for best actor. it is about a young hungarian hungarian jewish artist who flees the holocaust and comes to america and discovers that america poses challenges for him as an immigrant. and so much of it resonated with me and everything that we've been experiencing during the trump era. >> appreciate that. shrek reminds me of a cartoon, except that it's also a horror story. yeah, look, i don't speak as a partizan right now. i speak as an american. he won fair and square. we're not questioning whether or not he won. yeah, but there's also no question that some of what you see going on, we've never seen in the history of our country, the chaos that

this is going to bring is the chaos is going to affect every single american. i think when you try to deal with the payments that go to social security, you watch people come up and rattle the cage of people that just say it's okay for him to do whatever he wants. >> food for thought for people who've been in the arena and always good to get a shrek reference on a friday. thanks to both of you. and we turn back to a story i told you we would stay on elon musk, the federal workforce, and the grifting house republicans also under the gun about corruption concerns. next. >> let your feet. >> take you wherever your spirit wants to go. the one and only hurricane lets you navigate any surface so you can go anywhere your heart desires. redesigned from top to bottom, it truly stands alone. now you can walk

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>> yeah. >> that necessarily involves some some. temporary hardship, but it. >> will ensure long term prosperity. now, a lot of business leaders mean it when they say that the government should run more like a business. and in individual examples, sometimes that makes sense. people say that the line at the dmv or the difficulty with government websites makes them think it ought to be more like amazon or tesla. but again, if you just think about it, those are consumer facing products. they don't have a commitment to serve everyone. they certainly don't have a legal view that everyone has equal rights. and when you come to the pentagon or social security, they don't have any commitment to be there for you in ten years or 50. meanwhile, a project 2025 trump ally is talking about inflicting, quote, trauma on public servants.

>> we want. >> the bureaucrats. >> to be traumatically affected. we want. >> when they wake up in the morning. >> we want them to not want to. >> go to work. >> because they are so they are increasingly viewed. >> as the villains. we want. their funding. >> to be shut down so that the epa can't do all of the rules against. >> our energy. >> industry because. >> they have. >> no bandwidth. >> financially to do so. we want to put them in trauma. >> put them in, quote, trauma, make sure they have no financial bandwidth. that sounds like making people broke. and you heard a lot of they us and them we and they. but that individual and others are still taking a taxpayer paycheck from you. so they're taking your taxpayer money and then talking about they cut the money for other people, cut the jobs for other people, as long as it's not, you know, the new trump people now

while they're flexing the power over the government, there is also a lot of business conflicts here. musk's advisory group is named after a type of crypto that he owns. i've told you this before, he keeps trying to trick people into saying the name. i don't need to say it to refer to the group, but a lot of outlets, news, newspapers are doing so, and every time they do, he's getting free promotion of his dog crypto that he owns. trump launched his own crypto going into his first day in office, and it could be used to buy other trump products, merchandise. trump's media company expanding more into cryptocurrencies. trump's family members also launching them. he previously called crypto a scam. and keep in mind, there's still governing to be done. trump just signed an order about banking services for crypto companies being protected. we have an incoming president here brand new in the second term, using his power over an industry that

he's now profiting from to the tune of billions. and i know everyone is a little skeptical when we hear about things being unprecedented, but this level of grift is unprecedented in scope and scale, partly because the tech tools are so vast, and partly because past presidents did not choose to do this, even if it might have been technically legal. we didn't see the past. democratic president joe biden try to launch a crypto coin, which, if trump's is any indication, is a way that presidents can pocket a lot of money. the kinds of grift that have sparked outrage in trump's first term are now seen as some sort of norm from his allies. house republicans did the winter retreat directly at a trump golf course. the post describes it as a politicized windfall. speaker johnson touting it. >> i want to tell you. >> welcome you to doral international. trump's fantastic

property. >> we have it all in doral. >> and the city of doral. you know, a lot. >> of people don't realize one of the most successful. >> cities in the world. >> it might sound like an ad, it might be an ad. and this speaks to something that is a big part of what happens if a government, whether you call it a out of touch government or a more oligarchic government or a government for the few, whatever you want to call it, if a government becomes disconnected from accountability measures which protect everyone you, the taxpayer and any kind of sort of democracy, whether that's rules, norms or just a general view of the people at the top, that this time serving and public service is not supposed to be for private gain. when those things fall apart, we know what happens. we have many examples. and this is not a red maga thing. we've seen this all over the world. there's someone who i've worked with here that you probably know. so she is our

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journalists in a new era. welcome. >> thanks for. having me. >> what do you see in what are pretty blatant conflicts of interest here at a time where politically working class voters, voters in the middle and the bottom did go towards trump in november? >> well. that i mean, it depends on. how you interpret. >> that fact. i mean. >> when you. >> look at the impact. >> of inflation globally, most incumbent parties suffered. >> the way. >> that democrats did and. saw a big. >> drop in their support. >> but i. >> think. >> you know, it's. >> important to remember. >> that a. >> lot of those people. >> wanted donald trump to make. >> groceries cheaper. >> they didn't. >> necessarily want him to. >> effectuate a fascist takeover of government. >> and some of them. >> who. >> voted for him. may have. >> assumed since that. >> didn't happen last. >> time. >> it wouldn't happen this time, you know? but when we talk about, i mean. i think it's

important to remember. >> when these guys talk. about running the government like a business, as you described. >> in the. >> earlier segment, what they mean. >> is it should make them money. >> and that's what you're. >> seeing. >> right now. >> yeah. and many folks have been concerned about campaign finance reform and the way that both parties can be so bought. but we're seeing something worse than that. if you're worried about the big, powerful people buying through campaign contributions, now we have it going direct to the politicians. so wall street journal reporting on how meta is actually giving $25 million directly to trump. all because they followed. what were their policies at the time, given the what they deemed the dangerous type of inciting speech going into jan sixth? the crypto money and the other examples i gave were elon musk pocketing money from the government that goes back into their personal wealth. do you think that there's an opening, perhaps, for people who care about this, or the loyal

opposition, to attack these issues as pocketbook issues? i quoted rachel maddow on that point, rather than sort of vague, albeit important, democracy and rule of law issues. >> well. >> look, i'm not a political strategist. >> i wouldn't, you know, be the right person to ask for advice on. how to criticize this administration in a politically effective way that's going to win over votes. what i will say is that this. kind of thing looks very corrupt when you have ceos who are on. >> stage with the. >> president and making settlements. with him in court, cases over disputes in which the president really doesn't have a leg to stand on in terms of the first amendment and free speech law. it just all looks, you know, it looks very corrupt. and, you know, i think. >> to the extent. >> that people. >> thought, i mean, one thing i heard all the time when i went out to talk to trump voters was that trump couldn't be bought. but in fact. he's the most for

sale politician we've ever seen. >> and, you know, the people. >> who the billionaires who are backing him completely understand that. and they assume that their support will lead to them being able to somehow. profit over a government that is supposed to serve the public generally, not just the coffers. >> of the people who. >> are already. >> the richest people. >> in the world. >> what do you think is important to be reporting on, and for the public to know at a time where we have changed, there's usually a honeymoon period. people want some, quote, change or disruption. while there's still a very important role to make sure that washington the government is working the way it's either supposed to or whether those so-called promises are actually being carried out honestly. >> well, i think what. >> people should. >> be worried about is. >> right now what trump. >> is doing with a lot. >> of these. >> executive orders, it's not. really governing. what it is, is legislating. >> what. >> he's attempting to do.

>> is effectuate what is fundamentally a. >> competitive. >> authoritarian takeover of the united states government, in which the republican party does not have to worry about losing power. and the problem right now is that congress is controlled by republicans who are pliant and submissive and not willing to stand up for, you know, their prerogatives as another branch of government. and the courts, similarly, are. >> filled with trumpist. >> ideologues who are willing to let trump do whatever he wants, regardless of what the constitution says. so i think. >> we're. >> in a very. >> dangerous moment. >> and what the trump people understand is that that honeymoon period doesn't last forever. so they're trying to get. >> everything in place. >> so that it's. >> too late for people to change their minds when they realize that they don't like what this administration is doing. well, when and if i'll. >> really interesting. yeah, interesting points. adam, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for watching the. >> beat weekend. and you can always join us weeknights at 6 always join us weeknights at 6 p.m. eastern for the beat

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