>> institutional knowledge, it makes the country less safe. >> brian mason, thank you very much. and for folks who are watching, if he looks familiar, it's his twin brother is jeff mason, who's a great white house reporter here in washington. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you, jonathan. >> and that'll do it for me. thanks for watching. tune in tomorrow to the sunday show. when congresswoman susan delbene of washington, chair of the democratic congressional campaign committee, joins us to discuss her party's response to trump's imperialistic power grabs. plus, i'll talk to kelly robinson, president of the human rights campaign, who will talk about trump's attacks on lgbtq americans. that's tomorrow at 6 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. keep it here. ayman is next. good evening. >> tonight on ayman the resistance. >> new reporting on an. fbi official who aggressively resisted friday night's purge and. >> new details about. >> that list of workers who investigated january the 6th. plus, the ripple effect of trump's retribution across our

government. it is a wrong that is hard, if not impossible, to make right and breaking news. trump's trade war is here, and he is promising retribution. if canada, mexico or china push back. i'm ayman mohyeldin. >> let's do it. >> we come on the air this evening with. >> several breaking. stories on. >> multiple fronts. >> a short. >> time ago, the white house announced that president trump has officially started. >> his trade. >> war, signing executive orders imposing tariffs on three of our top trading partners mexico, canada and china. of course, the u.s. will begin collecting the tariffs on canadian goods starting this coming tuesday. we don't yet know when tariffs. >> take. >> effect from mexico and china. we will be taking a deeper look at what all of this means for you. of course, the consumer a little later on in this hour. we also have. >> some new. >> developments breaking tonight involving the administration's purge at the fbi. as you may know, friday night, multiple

senior executives at the bureau, the heads of multiple fbi field offices, and about two federal prosecutors who investigated the january 6th rioters were fired. tonight, we have new details about how that went down, including fierce resistance from the fbi's acting director, brian driscoll. >> who as. >> of tonight, remains in place. now, multiple current and former fbi officials tell nbc news that driscoll refused a justice department order that he help with the firings and turn over the names of every fbi employee who was involved in the january 6th attack, which, of course, was the largest in that bureau's history. driscoll sent a memo to the workforce last night explaining the. directives that he received. he did not say whether he would turn over the broader list of january 6th related names, a list he said encompasses thousands of fbi employees, including himself. he

wrote. >> quote. >> as we've said since the moment we agreed to take on these roles, we are going to follow the law, follow fbi policy and do what's in the best. interest of the workforce and the american people always. in the words of a former fbi official who knows driscoll well, he pushed back hard. and fbi agents were reportedly heartened by what he did. one agent called driscoll a stud, who told white house proxies making demands. to f-off. but feelings of fear, discouragement and low morale remain and are widespread. one of the january 6th prosecutors who was fired friday tells nbc news they did nothing wrong and didn't have regrets about their work. but, quote, we have all been looking. over our shoulders like, is. >> this the day. >> that we're going to get fired? because we were doing our jobs? as for the president, he maintains he didn't know anything about friday's firing. if true, it is alarming that the nation's chief executive is unaware of the biggest sweeping

purge at the very department tasked with maintaining law and order. joining me now is democratic congressman robert garcia of california. he's a member of the house oversight committee. congressman, great to have you with us on this very busy night. i'll start with, you know. the tariffs. i want to get your response to donald trump signing these orders to impose these tariffs on the three top trading partners of the united states, canada, mexico and china. and as we already have learned, retaliation probably coming down the pipeline, certainly from canada in the coming days. >> where i'm sitting right now, i'm across the. >> street from the. >> largest port. >> complex of cargo containers. >> in the. >> united states, the ports. >> of long. >> beach. >> and los angeles. the economy in this part of the country. largely depends. >> on trade. and what. >> i'm hearing right. >> now from terminal. >> operators, from trucking companies. >> from the companies that are.

>> actually, of course. >> bringing goods in and out and producing. >> goods is, again. >> we're. >> back to chaos. >> confusion, concern. >> and what this is. >> going to. >> mean to be. very clear. is it going to be an increase in prices for the average american. >> family. >> whether you are trying. >> to. >> buy groceries. >> whether. >> you're. >> going into. >> the. >> store to. >> build something to improve to a home improvement. >> project, or for a family that's. >> looking to. >> buy their first home, this. >> is. >> going to. increase costs. >> of all. types of goods. congressman. >> explain why for our viewers who may not know why, will what president trump today did today impact what you just described? >> because the goods that we're. basically trying to. >> to. >> export into the. >> united states. >> are essentially going to have. >> a tariff that. >> is essentially. >> you can. look at it. >> as a tax. >> increase as. >> it relates. to mexico and canada. >> you're talking about a 25%. tax increase is the way i. >> essentially explain it to folks. >> and so the people here in the u.s. are. >> the ones that.

>> are actually. >> paying the price. >> and so. >> the folks. >> that are. >> doing bringing in the goods. >> that are. creating the goods, they're passing. >> this cost down. >> to the average american family. >> this is incredibly. >> destructive for the economy. and if people think the. >> price of eggs. >> is high now, people. >> think the. >> cost of. food and vegetables. >> are high. now, just. >> wait until these tariffs. actually fully come into. >> effect in the. >> united states. and so but we're. >> seeing it in just the. >> last few. >> minutes, an hour. also a. revolt from major. >> companies. >> major manufacturers. >> and folks involved. >> in the trade industry. >> about what. >> donald trump is doing. >> and so i encourage. >> folks to get loud and to push back forcefully on this issue. >> i would never dare ask you to put yourself in donald trump's shoes. but what is your understanding of why this administration is imposing these tariffs? how do you not rationalize it? but how do you even try to begin to understand it based on what they are signaling and telling and communicating to the american people directly about why they're doing it?

>> i mean, even who this is, this is like lunacy and insanity. and i. >> think donald trump is imposing these terrorists because. >> maybe he. talked about it at rallies. i mean, i don't think. >> anyone has any idea why he's actually even. doing this. i mean. >> look, tariffs. >> as. >> we know, impose in this. >> type of. >> swift action. >> any economist. >> anyone in. >> the trade industry. will all tell you the same thing. >> this is a horrific. idea as. >> it relates to the. >> increase of goods and. >> trying to get. >> inflation under control. and so it's really hard to understand why donald trump. is doing. >> what he's doing. >> and he's. >> clearly, in my opinion, going to cause major harm to the average family. and people need to know why their prices are going to go up. >> of course. he's doing that on the trade front. but as i mentioned, the other breaking news story this evening, congressman, is. >> what is. >> happening domestically with our department of justice and our biggest law enforcement agency, the fbi, and the firing of these top executives. now you

have the news that this fbi acting director, brian driscoll, refused to assist with forcing out these officials. how are you assessing what has happened? does it, on one hand, give you hope that we still have individuals like brian driscoll who will push back? or does the fact that he pushed back mean that he will ultimately be fired and the takeover, if you will, the justice department and the fbi will still proceed as donald trump and his administration intends. >> we should be scared as hell. >> and you have. basically donald trump. >> forming his authoritarian government. >> where he is in charge. >> of every lever of government. >> the idea. >> that he's going to do one sweeping mandate. >> fire could be. thousands of law enforcement officials that are charged with. >> actually investigating crimes in this country. and by the way, investigating, of course, as we know, serious crimes were committed on january 6th and attacking our government. and other conspiracies. i'm glad.

obviously there are there are some folks that are going to stand up to donald trump. but let's be clear, kash patel is right now probably going to cruise through confirmation at the us senate. and so you have this essentially attack dog. of donald trump's who is going to go after his political enemies. and i you know, i think it's comical. we should laugh at donald trump saying he had no idea that this was actually happening. give me a break. donald trump knows exactly what is happening, and he's trying to seize as much control as he can for himself, for elon musk, for his billionaire friends. and he's trying to essentially wipe anyone out that wants to stand in his way. we should be very concerned about these actions and these actions, by the way, along with getting rid of, for example, of all the inspector generals should be very concerning to us. >> i'm going to ask you specifically about the january 6th employees. at the fbi. i mean, the fact that, you know, you're talking about, as you mentioned, potentially thousands of employees who were involved in this sprawling investigation,

it was at the time described as the largest investigation ever carried out. almost every single field office in this country had an active case or was participating in that investigation. but to the second point, if these employees are in fact fired, what danger does that pose for our national security in the immediate short term? >> a huge a huge danger. and i think, you know this. we had a group of militia of insurrectionists try to overthrow the government. let's let's not forget what actually happened. they attacked our united states capitol. they attacked police officers. they tried to change a election that was won fair and square. and they were sent to do so by donald trump. now he wants to essentially silence and punish anyone that was involved in holding these people accountable. and i think the other piece of this that people aren't talking about is what donald trump is also doing, is

he is signaling to all of these folks across the country very dangerous people, by the way, that now have been pardoned. and there are other militia groups that he is going to protect them. he is building himself a private army and militia of people across the country that are willing to do whatever it is that donald trump says. and i think we've got to take this very seriously and know that what he is doing is damaging and harming our national security infrastructure, while building his own and supporting those militia, those white nationalist groups that are supporting him across the country. it's really dangerous. >> this time, almost eight years ago, i'm sure you recall, congressman, when donald trump was carrying out executive orders, the muslim ban and what have you. there were mass protests across this country in disappointment. what is your reaction. >> to the fact that. >> so far in the first two weeks of his administration, with many of these draconian measures, that he has taken, these alarming measures that he has taken, certainly on the domestic front, as you mentioned, with

the inspector general as well as now the fbi, you're not seeing this kind of mass mobilization or this anger reflect on on the streets. >> i mean, i think, i think two things. i think one, i think that democrats, us as a party leaders that are out in the community, we have got to be angry. we have got to oppose donald trump every time. i have no idea why we're voting for his nominees. we've got to be serious about taking donald trump, elon musk and the billionaire class on. and when people aren't seeing us in this fight, they're also demoralized to be a part of the fight. we have got to be much more aggressive in taking on donald trump and everything is trying to do. so i think i think us as a party have to get in the game in a much more aggressive way, and i think that is happening. the second piece of it is, i think what you've seen in the last week is you are starting to see people get fired up. the reason why that freeze got

essentially, you know, overturned. and donald trump had to push back the federal funding freeze that happened is because people got. people across the country from non-profits, government organizations, they stood up and said, hell no, you're not going to take away this funding. you're not going to attack us in our communities. and they flooded the airwaves. they flooded offices, and that actually worked. and so i am starting to feel that people are getting much more engaged. and it's not going to surprise me if we start seeing other large actions and protests start developing in the weeks ahead, and we're going to need it. but us also as members of congress and as a party, we've got to match that energy and be angry at this moment. >> really quickly. ken martin, the new dnc chair, you endorsed and supported him. why do you think he's the right person right now to rebuild the party? >> so the thing i love about ken and having seen him at a couple of forums is ken is the guy that you want in a bar fight. ken is tough. he's aggressive. he's a

union guy. he knows how to throw a punch. and i think the party was looking for someone that is actually going to want to fight donald trump and the maga republicans, and i think that's what ken was able to communicate. look, we actually had some great people. and i think the top two candidates were both actually like, fantastic, both progressive, both both good democrats. i think ken knows how to throw a punch and not wait around that. he knows that we've got to actually be on the offense. and so i'm i'm hopeful that that he takes that message across the country. we're going to need him. and i think all of us have got to be there to support him. >> all right. congressman robert garcia of california, congressman, great to have you on the show. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> coming up, brand. >> new details. >> on the investigation into the helicopter jet crash near washington, dc. that's coming up next. >> legal eagle. >> and, doug. >> you'll be back. emus can't help people customize and save

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altitudes were. the information coming from the radar, as we understand it, is delayed information. there's a 4 or 5 second delay in the information that the control tower operators are able to read. we also know that there have been interviews happening with the people in the control tower. there were reports that there may not have been an optimal number of controllers in the tower at the time of this collision. i want you to hear what the ntsb member had to say about those interviews. >> that leads us to confirm there were five people in the tower at the time of the accident. this is a controller's worst nightmare. it hits everyone that works in that cab and knows them very hard. these interviews take a long time. not because there's that much talking, but there's several breaks that occur for emotions. >> so i think it's just really important to point out again that this is incomplete data, and there's still a lot more information to gather. there is still the aircraft are still in

the water here off the shores of the airport that needs to be collected. and that will also inform the process for investigators trying to piece together exactly what happened once and for all. >> any idea, aaron, when that might take place? the recovery of the vessels. >> so as we understand it, there were to be some barges and some other heavy equipment brought in this afternoon. there were some pieces coming up from the hampton roads area, virginia beach area here to d.c, and they were going to be put into use probably starting at some point tomorrow. so we could see as soon as tomorrow the fuselage being raised out of the water from the airplane, as well as the helicopter being raised out of the water. and that would then allow divers to be able to access an area where they believe they can recover. the remaining victims who are in the airplane. we know that there are about 25 people who have yet to be recovered from this terrible accident. eamon. >> all right.

>> nbc's aaron. >> gilchrist with that update. >> aaron. >> thank you. it's good to see you. >> we also have some new details about. >> the. plane crash. >> in philadelphia. seven people are now confirmed dead in that accident, including one person on the ground after an. air ambulance carrying a pediatric patient went down shortly after takeoff last night. roughly 4 to 5 blocks were hit by debris. at least 19 people were injured. the ntsb, which is simultaneously investigating the dc crash as well as this one, said it is still looking for the plane's black box. >> for the. cockpit voice recorder. we are still looking for it. it could be intact, but likely it is very it is damaged. it may be fragmented. so if there are citizens or business owners or others. who find debris. please email the ntsb. >> all six people on the plane

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is us, the consumers, for everything from groceries, gas, home prices, even cars. we will pay for it. there is something. there's something rather funny in trump's order today called a, quote retaliation clause, which states that if canada, mexico or china chooses to retaliate, trump will take further action with respect to likely tariff increases. nonetheless. nonetheless, canadian prime minister justin trudeau says that there will be a, quote, forceful but reasonable retaliation. trudeau is also set to respond to trump's tariffs later tonight. joining me now is senior economics reporter at axios courtney brown and director of economic policy research at vida, henrietta treyz. it's great to have both of you with us. courtney, take us through the details of these new tariffs. how are they different from his first administration's. >> former treasury official? >> and i. >> think a. >> self-described trade wonk

described it to me this way. trump did. more on tariffs. >> in one. >> weekend than he did in the. >> entirety of his first term in the white house, so they're pretty sweeping across the board. tariffs. and it is totally accurate. accurate. accurate to call. it unprecedented. >> and really. >> it's unknown what the fallout will be. it's really difficult for. >> economists to model. >> what the inflationary impact will be, what the economic impact will be. >> because we. >> don't know what the. retaliation is going to be. and we don't know whether the white house is going to choose to up the ante. so it's really this big basket of unknowns. >> and we're already. >> going through a period of high inflation. i think the concern is that this. >> is going. >> to further aggravate the inflation. >> do we have an idea, henrietta, of what goods will be tariffed or is it just blanket across the board? i mean, obviously we understand, as we've heard and previously on the show, that the, you know, american importers will ultimately be paid, the taxes

will be paid by american importers passed on to the consumers. but where should we expect to see these price increases? >> it's going. >> to. pop up everywhere. >> i mean. >> to put. >> some numbers. behind it, we. >> were talking about $350. billion worth of. >> goods being tariffed when we. >> put the china. >> tariffs on in the first trump term. this is now $1.4. >> trillion. >> worth of. >> imports for the average family. this is about. $1,500 per person. so that means your. >> smartphone. >> your laptop. >> the backpack that you're. >> buying. >> your elementary. >> school student. >> all groceries. >> coming in, especially. >> from mexico. the real pernicious part. >> in my opinion, is. >> the impact to. >> things that. >> flow. through the. >> usmca or. >> the three. nations mexico. canada and. the u.s. some. >> of those car. >> parts cross. >> five times. >> across the border, back and forth between the u.s. and mexico. are we putting those 25%. >> tariffs. >> on every single time? >> is it on the only the. >> final good? i mean, there's a lot of. >> very heavy. >> hitting pain. economically coming in the. >> way of the.

>> u.s. consumer. >> courtney, why is he doing this? why is trump's reasoning for doing this? i mean, what is the actual explanation that he is giving as to why he wants to do this against canada, mexico and china? i mean, he is giving reasons like drugs crossing over our borders, but how does he see the, you know, imposition of tariffs on canadian, chinese and mexican goods directly linked to that? >> well. >> to be frank, they're. >> not they're not directly linked to that. but i think. we've seen so far in the trump administration him. wield the essentially economic might of the united states. >> against other nations. >> in the case of colombia. >> it was. >> a threat. >> and then. >> colombia obviously. backed down and. >> you. >> know. >> seemingly complied. >> with trump's demands. >> and i think he. >> is very. >> much using. >> tariffs in the same way here. >> i think. >> the only. >> exception is it. >> looks like he's going to

follow through this time. >> but i. >> think there are some business. >> groups, you know, sending. >> out. >> statements and kind of sending texts, hoping that. >> between now. >> and tuesday when they go into effect. there can be some sort. >> of deal. >> but here's the thing. he declared an economic crisis. >> and in. >> the executive order, he said that when this crisis is solved, the tariffs will. come off. >> what will it take. >> for this crisis. >> to be. >> solved with respect to fentanyl and border controls? no one knows. >> how quickly could consumers notice a difference, henrietta. i mean, you mentioned that it's going to affect everything from groceries to iphones. will there be a lag period between tuesday when this begins and when we begin to see the price of everything start to go up? >> no. >> i would not expect that to be the case. it's incredible what. >> customs and border. >> patrol can do. i have. >> on very good authority. for years. now that they.

>> can change. >> tariff rates within 12 hours. so once this executive order. >> is signed. >> and cbp has. >> their marching. >> orders, the tariff rates are so. >> streamlined and. >> harmonized that. >> you. >> can change rates in 12 and 12 hours. so this should be very quickly filed. >> and i. >> think it's. >> important to think. >> about, you know, state. >> by state. >> what this is going to mean. >> 95% of. >> heating. >> oil from maine comes from canada. so it might be a 10%. >> tariff, but. >> it's on 95%. >> of the heating. >> oil. >> you have. >> it's different. >> for every state. >> really quickly, henry, is there an option for these american importers who are getting these goods to simply just not get them and say, you know what, we're not going to pay. we're not going to pass these on to our consumers. we're not going to get the order that we wanted or we're going to pass on it this time around. >> yeah, exactly. and then so, for example, if you have a housing. >> crisis and. >> you need lumber. >> from canada to build more of your homes. >> you're now not going to be supplying. >> that lumber. >> you're not going to have it. >> you're not. >> going to build the home. >> i'm kourtney, i know you just

came back from the world economic forum in davos. just give us a sense of what the sentiment there in europe is. and now that this opening salvo of, of a trade war has been fired by the us. >> it was really interesting because i've been to davos, the world economic forum a few times, and. never before have i felt such a split in the vibe. you talk to americans and american ceos, they were feeling quite giddy, very excited about deregulation under the trump administration, potential tax cuts under the trump administration. but you talk to the europeans and their economy already is not doing so hot. germany and france actually contracted. their economy shrank in the most recent quarter. and they're really afraid about what the impact of tariffs will do. >> to the continent. >> and, you know, the executive order today only addresses canada and china and mexico. but we heard trump in the oval office say that he plans to implement tariffs on the eu. so very weird vibes. and i. >> think the. >> giddiness of. >> corporate america might be a little less so today, given all of the responses from corporate. america that we've gotten so

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fighting cancer, left gaza for egypt via the rafah crossing. according to the director general of the shifa medical complex, it is the first time in eight months when israel seized it that anyone children, elderly, sick, wounded or otherwise was allowed to leave through rafah. and while 47 is of course better than zero, it is a tiny fraction of the 2500 children that the united nations now says are at risk of dying if not evacuated immediately. that dire warning came immediately after a meeting that the un secretary general, antonio guterres, had, along with other top un officials, with a panel of american doctors who have volunteered in gaza during the war. joining me now is one of those doctors, aisha khan. she was in gaza from the end of november until january 1st. she's also an emergency physician at stanford university. doctor khan, it's great to have you on the show. nice to see you in person. i know we've spoken before, but you know, a couple of children

or a couple of dozen of children out of the 2500, certainly not enough. you were in gaza as of a month ago. describe for us the situation that you saw the children of gaza face day in and day out. >> sure, absolutely. >> if it's okay. >> with you, i'd love to. tell you what i saw, what i didn't see, and as well as something that i've never seen before in my ten years. >> of doing global health. >> so when i. >> went to gaza. >> i. >> very much. >> thought that. >> you know, there's. >> so much population. >> density that. >> the few. >> buildings that left remaining, including hospitals, would. have terrorists in. >> them or something like that. >> using human. >> shields, which is what we've been told. >> i was. >> in one of. >> the only. >> remaining hospital. >> standing brick. >> and mortar hospitals. >> and i can tell you what i. >> did not see. was any evidence of. >> hamas terrorists. >> caches of weapons. and the reason that that's significant. >> is that's why. >> the health care system has been systematically destroyed in

gaza. >> what i did see was a lot of children. i'm not a pediatrician. >> i'm an emergency doctor. i treat. >> whoever comes in the door. and most of the. >> people that i. saw injured from. explosives or gunshots. >> were. >> between the ages of five and seven. >> i'm never going to forget any. >> of the. kids i. >> saw, but. particularly one child that's very dear to my heart. she's one of the kids who. >> was on the evacuation. >> list at. >> this time. her name is selah. >> she's four years old. her home tent was hit. by a missile. part of that missile went through her brain. >> she had brain. >> matter out, and i was. able to do a critical. >> life saving. >> intervention with a laryngoscope, which is what we put in, used to put. in a breathing tube. we managed to save her life, but her parents were lost and she is now one of like 55,000 orphans that remain in gaza. i have it's not an unusual story. a lot of lot of

kids like that. i've done global health for more than a decade now. i've done lots. >> of humanitarian. >> response relief. and the one thing. that i've. never seen in. >> any of the places that i've. >> been to is children four, five. >> six. >> years old, wishing for death. and that is something that like, is really hard to forget. i can't imagine the kind of hell you have to be living in if with everything that's around you, all you wish for is to die. >> speaking of the children who are able to get out, those are the lucky ones. do you have any insight or what is your understanding as to how they're selected and chosen for treatment? when you have hundreds, if not thousands of people in desperate need? >> yeah, so. this is one of the things we were actually able to talk to the un secretary general about. there's a lot of confusion right now about how kids can get evacuated. there's no centralized process.

>> the w.h.o. >> is taking charge of the process and trying to create a list of the children that most critically need to be taken out. that 2500, by the way, is not the total number of kids that need to be taken out, but the number of kids that will die in the next 2 to 3 weeks. the w.h.o. will make that list, but then after that, cogat is really secured. he needs to clear them, needs to clear the companion that goes with them. a lot of times. >> as. >> i said, because these children don't have parents, that's an aunt who might have her own child that she's breastfeeding and she might be allowed to leave with the child that needs to be evacuated, but not take her breastfeeding child. so impossible choices that these people have to make, we won't be able to evacuate them all. and we really have to rebuild the system, the health care system that's there. and i know that there's so much news right now, but one of the things that it's so important to realize is that just today, two hospitals closed down in gaza that were critical because of

lack of usaid funding. the motto of usaid, i've been all around the world, it says usaid aid from the american people. and that notion that the american people, american values, have to do with saving lives, especially the lives of children wherever we can, is critical, i think, to the sort of soft power that the united states needs to establish in the world if we're going to have lasting peace. >> do you ever get a sense from the people that you talk there about the disconnect between usaid, as you said, aid from the american people, but at the same time, the bombs and the bullets that are being used to kill them are also being paid for by the american people. >> yeah. you know, i, i can tell you that as a guest in their country, i told them again and again that i'm an american. part of the reason that i went is because i'm an american, and an american value is not to let a child die. if you have the skills to save them. when i was

there, i was absolutely welcomed, i was loved, they accepted that i was an american. i told them for every one doctor who has cleared to come here, there's 50 more who would come if they could. and i don't think that they confuse the american people with american politics or american policy. and i think that that's actually a very nuanced understanding, given that they're often confused with the policy or politics of the people that were elected into government in 2006. >> right. >> you know, 80% of the population wasn't old enough to vote at that time. so i think they do have a very nuanced understanding of the difference between what we are as americans and what our government might do. >> yeah. and yet the entire. >> population of gaza is paying the price for that. doctor aisha khan, thank you so much. >> thank you for coming on the show. show. >> so much for i'm thinking of updating my kitchen... —yeah? —yes! ...this year, we are finally updating our kitchen... ...doing subway tile in an ivory,

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he's the chief legal counsel at whistleblower aid. he served as the attorney for the whistleblower involved in trump's first impeachment trial involving ukraine. he also previously served in the offices of two inspectors general. andrew, it's great to have you on the show. let me get your thoughts on this new nbc news reporting on the acting fbi director brian driscoll's resistance to the firings, saying in a message that circulated widely among bureau personnel and fbi agents, summarized what happened as bottom line. doj came over and wanted to fire a bunch of j6 agents. driscoll is an absolute stud. he held his ground and told the white house proxy doj to f off. what does that do for morale inside the bureau and for law enforcement in the moment? >> well, first, damien, thank you for having me on. with respect to how he's comported himself in pushing back on the firings at the fbi, i commend him for standing up to power. that's exactly what we're

supposed to do as far as how that impacts morale at the fbi, i would say that it's got to be an impossible position to be in as an fbi agent currently, or anybody serving within the fbi, whether you're an analyst or an attorney, knowing that your top cover is under attack. >> do you get a sense of what could happen next to somebody like mr. driscoll, the deputy director, the acting deputy director who has taken this position and by doing so now, become a public face, if you will, to this resistance within the fbi. and, of course, as we have seen and as trump made clear, this is he is a president and administration that has sought retribution against these types of officials. >> well, i think that's exactly the case, you know, with driscoll standing up and saying, no, i'm not going to do this. i'm not going to just turn over a list of individuals who were, by the way, assigned these special agents did not have a choice as to what investigations

they are assigned to, that these individuals who are assigned to these investigations are going to be summarily fired. him doing that puts him on the target list. and by the way, going back to your point about the ig's being removed, it goes to the heart of the oversight process within the federal government to make sure that fraud, abuse, malfeasance doesn't continue to exist and doesn't exist within the government. >> and president trump, even on the campaign trail, even after he had one before he was sworn in, had made clear his feelings about people who are involved in the january 6th, certainly on the congressional side, when they were investigating him, he made that publicly clear. so when he now says he did not know about what was happening at the fbi, do you think he's trying to get off on a technicality that he did not necessarily order it, but maybe those that he appointed at the department of justice, whether it's the attorney general and on down, knew exactly what he wanted and went out to do it. >> i'm not going to speculate as

to that, but what i really want to talk about also, is why inspectors general and the oversight community within the federal government matters. so one of the things that we need to think about in terms of having government accountability and how that works, is that ig's are there to prevent bad things from happening. we all know about investigations that happen after the fact when something goes wrong. but ig is also served the function of conducting audits and inspections, and that's proactive activity to ensure that something doesn't go wrong. so for example, when i was serving within the ig community years ago and we were conducting investigations, i'll ask you this question. have you heard about power units on f-15s failing and a number of aircraft going down? have you heard about maintenance issues or possible leaks of nerve gas occurring within an installation here in the united states? did you hear about that? no. and that's because whistleblowers came forward proactively to the inspector general filed these disclosures, and the ig was able

to conduct an investigation to get to the bottom of it before anything happened. so as we're talking about things, whether it's the event in washington where we had an army helicopter and a civilian aircraft collide or even wildfires in in california. oversight and accountability matters. and having independent igs matters. and it also matters because it's important for the. whistleblowers like my client from the first impeachment, to know that there is a system in place that when they file a disclosure, that that information will be taken in and an independent investigation will come out of it. and at the same time, part and parcel to having individuals feel comfortable, know that the system there is working is that if something were to happen that they're facing retaliation for their whistleblowing, that that there is a body out there that has their back that will conduct an investigation, determine whether or not they've been

retaliated against, and understanding the circumstances and everything that's happening in dc over the past two weeks, which frankly, has been chaotic. i've had a number of individuals throughout the federal government reach out to whistleblower aid, and my organization. it is we are looking at alternative paths of disclosure, knowing that right now, more than 59 gs are not in place. and there is questions about credibility and the ability for the government to proceed with independent investigations. yeah. >> i was going to say. >> you know, andrew, your organization is one of the most important ones that we have in our country. and i, i don't like to say this, but it may become even more important in this administration, given what we're seeing and what continues to happen with our government. andrew bqe, whistleblower, a thank you so much. i greatly appreciate your time. >> that's that's why that's why we exist. >> yeah. and we need it more than ever. thank you. a new hour

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