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two weeks, president trump has wreaked havoc on the u.s. immigration system as we know it. through a flurry of executive orders, he has tried to end birthright citizenship. he suspended the entry of all undocumented migrants to the us, meaning they can't seek their legal right to asylum here. he's declared a national emergency at the us-mexico border. and now, through a memorandum, he has directed the federal government to detain 30,000 undocumented migrants and send them to guantanamo bay. look, we know exactly what he's doing here. it's for shock value. you couldn't think of a place as synonymous with abuse and torture that would evoke an immediate reaction from all americans. and imagine if you're a voter who specifically voted for trump because he promised to crack down on immigration, what looks tougher than sending migrants to guantanamo bay prisoners at guantanamo bay notoriously face a form of legal limbo? international law does

not apply there. that's also the case at the migrant operations center, a separate facility at guantanamo that trump now wants to expand after being used by past presidents for decades to house migrants. last fall, the new york times reported on allegations that migrants have been forced to wear blackout goggles during transports through the base, that their calls with lawyers have been monitored, and that some areas are unfit for habitation. with rats and overflowing toilets. this comes as the trump administration scrambles to find more rooms to hold migrants. in a new report tonight, trump's so-called border czar, tom homan told nbc news that ice needs 100,000 beds total, more than double what it currently has. and it's not just donald trump engaging in these cruel theatrics. his lackeys are also carrying out his made for tv approach to immigration. this week, tv personality and outspoken trump supporter. yep, this guy, doctor phil, somehow tagged along on an ice arrest in chicago with homan apparently to

cosplay as a cop. >> a citizen. >> my mom is a citizen. >> your mother is. >> a citizen. >> yes. >> but you're not. >> no. >> and then there's kristi noem, who was just confirmed as homeland security secretary. she's making ice high fashion, wearing a bulletproof vest, a cap and a full hair makeup as well for both deportation raids and tv appearances. >> here in new york city. >> this morning, we are getting. >> the dirtbags. >> off the streets. >> the facilities. >> can be stood up quite quickly. they're soft sided. we have the space. we just got to get to work. >> and it doesn't end with trump's mini-mes. cnn is reporting that federal agencies are also telling ice officials to get camera ready before they conduct sweeps. meanwhile, this is the reality of trump's severe immigration policies. in this heartbreaking video shot by cbs austin, a woman can be heard yelling to her mother as she watched her board a bus in

shackles surrounded by ice officers. >> like the one. >> to fresh air. >> now, federal and local officials tell cbs austin that these raids were exclusively focused on immigrants who committed violent crimes. but when they ran her record, they only found nonviolent charges against the woman's mother. that falls in line with the reporting from nbc news, which recently found that only about half of ice arrests from a single day were actually criminal. by rounding up droves of migrants instead of targeting violent offenders, donald trump is not actually making us safer. and let's just call this what it is charade. trump is the caricature of a tough on crime president who is probably getting ready to put on his own immigration raid costume as we speak. joining me now, danielle moodie, host of the danielle moodie show on

youtube and co-host of the democracy ish podcast. dean obeidallah, msnbc daily columnist and host of siriusxm's the dean obeidallah show. and maria hinojosa, msnbc political analyst and the president and founder of futuro media group. it's great to have all three of you with us. so. i'll start with you, doctor phil popping up on an ice raid, acting as if he is like on an episode of cops going out there and, you know, asking tough questions. kristi noem, you know, with the whole glam appearance going out there to be a part of this, not sure what exactly she's doing on these raids, but nonetheless, they are ready for the cameras, ready for the tv appearances. and we know that's something that donald trump always wanted. people who are camera ready and loved the spotlight. >> doctor phil being out there and the clip goes on. the man detained goes, are you doctor phil? >> and he's like. >> how do. >> you know me? he's like. >> i saw you on the doctor phil show. like. >> he thinks these people are. >> aliens from another planet. by bringing doctor phil, what

does it do? >> it gets more press. >> doctor phil promoted the night before. like a world wrestling federation event. he goes, i'm going out tomorrow. it's not going to be safe. maybe they'll work in other right wing celebrities. hulk hogan will be out there or kid rock. and it's. >> the idea. >> what these are. >> are fascist spectacles. >> that's what historians call them. they are fascist. mussolini did it. hitler did it. huge marches, big rallies. the 1936 olympic games. same thing. mussolini. huge march on rome. they are spectacles to get press, to make them look more powerful and bigger than life. their goal is to make the rest of us be intimidated and be fearful, paralyzed with fear. as timothy snyder talks about in his book on tyranny, we can't be paralyzed with fear. we have to step up and fight this stuff. this is fascism. we're seeing it right in our streets, right here. the use of the military will be next in the streets of america to round up people who are brown. and in new jersey, they detained a guy who was a u.s. military veteran, a us citizen, and they mocked him because he said, i'm an american. and they mocked him for it. and congress, bonnie watson coleman and others denounced it. so this is a spectacle. it's called a fascist

spectacle. people can google that term. it is real. >> the problem with this, though, is that we're talking about it here, but there are probably large swaths of the country who are just watching right wing media and who follow doctor phil, and they're probably buying the fact that, like, finally, donald trump is in power. two weeks in, he is fixing the immigration system and they are just eating it all up. >> i think that it's not going to be. until you start to see people don't know where. >> teachers are. >> and nannies are, and people don't. >> show up for work at. >> restaurants and. >> you're already. >> hearing about. >> large populations of students in texas all. >> of a sudden are out sick. 2000 out of a district that. >> has 2000 kids. >> 600 were home. >> sick over the. >> last week. >> right? >> i think. >> that until. >> people see. >> the real life consequences. >> of people. >> that they have. >> relationships with, that they. >> may pass as as. >> their neighbors on the street, that. >> it's not going to hit them.

like donald trump. >> and this. >> administration can put on whatever show. >> that. >> they want. but these have. real life consequences. >> that are going. >> to begin to. >> have a ripple. effect on our day to day lives. >> from the. >> grocery stores. >> to who we didn't. >> i used to see. >> this person, and now they're gone. like, what happened to my kid's. playmate that is no longer around anymore. all of a sudden people are not. >> showing up for work. >> this affects all aspects of our lives. >> because that's how. >> intertwined and. >> interconnected we are. >> so these are. >> not these. >> quote unquote foreign people. >> that need to be. >> taken out of. >> the country. >> they are. embedded in all of our lives. >> and we will. >> see the effects when people. >> begin to disappear. >> maria, the probably one of the uglier parts of this saga that is unfolding is guantanamo bay. and this facility that was notorious for abuse and torture now again, being used in this

draconian way. you know, president obama, i remember trying to shut it down. president biden tried to shut it down. they couldn't do it. and yet this this facility continues to haunt us in ways that perhaps we probably never imagined. >> yeah. >> i mean, i'm thinking about the fact that guantanamo ties back to my own ptsd from nine over 11. right? and then knowing. >> and talking to people, it tied to the horror of guantanamo. >> but, you know, i interviewed aoc this week. it was an hour long interview for latino usa. and one of the things that she said, right. >> was. >> i'm not going to give them my fear, right? because this is all about trying to make us feel so overwhelmed. and so she was like. >> they. >> feed on my fear and i'm not going to give them my fear. but at the same time, you know, when you have to think about the parallel moments. so, okay, in all honesty, i was doing therapy this morning, right, with my refugee argentinian therapist. right.

>> i'm going to need that number after the show. >> if you don't mind. she is. >> amazing, right? she's amazing. and one of the things she said is, look, i lived through what happened in argentina. they will destroy people, but they don't destroy the heart of the people. they don't destroy the heart of the people. and. and what we have to think about is how we flip this narrative. i mean, as you know, i've been saying ad nauseam, right? and i just again put it on my social media, if there are this many criminals walking around in the united states of america, then the police do not know how to do their jobs, then it is not an immigration problem. it's a crime problem. and we don't have a crime problem in the united states of america right now. we don't have a crime problem. but one thing that did make aoc tear up was talking about the fact that people in her communities are coming and saying, look, i'm signing the custody of my child to my neighbor. i'm going to self-deport so that i can come

back in a decade. because if you get if you get deported, you can't come back. if you remove yourself, you can potentially come back. but the thought of, again, family separation, it's not the first time it's happening in our country. enslaved people were giving their children to other people so that they would get out of slavery, right? in, in, in the holocaust, people were hiding people, getting their children outside. so this is what's happening now that people are living in. that's what's happening. so it is fascism and it's happening, though we won't see that part of the family giving their child over to a neighbor to, to take care. >> of them. >> so what's the what do you think needs to happen from the from those who want to oppose this? you know, as you said, fascist spectacle right now. i mean, as i was talking earlier with congressman garcia about the fact that, you know, this time around eight years ago when trump was just coming into office, there were mass mobilization efforts against the muslim ban and all kinds of

other things. there was the women's march. we saw we were beginning to see the kind of birth of civil protests in this country. and yet here we are, two weeks into this, some very draconian measures on the domestic side with the inspector generals, the fbi and the doj, these raids. and we're not seeing that kind of mass mobilization. we're not seeing that concern. >> what i can tell you is listeners to my show want democratic leaders in congress to be louder, to be more vocal, to have a unified message because you have some great fighters. congressman garcia, aoc, jasmine crockett, jamie rand, we can go through the list of some. what's missing are democrats using every lever of government to stop donald trump wherever they can from screaming, having press conferences not just in the bottom of the senate behind a podium, but getting out into the streets, going to people, talking to them, showcasing what's really going on. people are very, very upset. there's a lot of anger. people are not checked out anymore. they've checked in at least the ones i'm talking to on my show. they want democratic leadership and if they're not going to step up, then democratic leaders who are

there should step aside and let the next generation step up. this is. the stakes are too high for this kind of gamesmanship. where things are normal, they're not normal. and people have to understand this is not a normal time. we're going into a very dark place. it's getting darker by the day, but there are glimmers of light in the democratic party. we need more of that louder every single day. >> i love that you're like, in the democratic party. i'm like, i'm like, well, they you know, where where have they been? although i will say that there have been pro-immigrant demonstrations that are popping up. there was one last weekend in dallas, hundreds of people. i think people are in the shock of it. all right. which is the idea. but seeing those protests pop up things, things could definitely. >> i hope so. >> all right, let me squeeze in a quick break. i'll come back and we'll get your thoughts on it. don't go anywhere. everyone stick around next. trump faces stick around next. trump faces immediate blowback after for more than a decade farxiga has been trusted again and again, and again. ♪far-xi-ga♪

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member of the u.s. military who was flying that black. >> hawk helicopter. >> don't you think you're getting ahead of the investigation right now? >> no, i don't think so at all. >> all right. my panel is back with me. so, danielle, it didn't take long for the president to come out there and say, we don't know the facts, but it could be di. >> yeah. >> and here's the. >> thing that i have. >> started to say on. >> my show, which is that we. >> need to. >> stop shortening diversity, equity. >> and inclusion. >> because we need to actually understand that this administration is against. >> diversity, equity and inclusion. >> they don't believe. >> that anyone who is not white has. >> a. >> place or position. >> whether it be in corporate america or inside of our government. the fact. >> that in the. >> midst of. >> tragedy. >> when you don't know the. >> names of. >> any of. >> these people. >> he was just. >> asked. >> recently, will. >> you. >> be going to. >> the site of the crash? and he said, the water. right. as if that was an. >> absurd question to even be asked. >> people are in the midst of.

>> grieving. >> and all. >> any of them. >> have to say was, this. >> is a. >> horrible tragedy, and we're going to get to the bottom of it. even if they. >> believe the things that they say. it was. >> amidst tragedy. >> people lost. >> their children, their loved ones. >> right. >> like and so the idea. that as americans, we're. going to forget what responsibility our leaders have in holding space for tragedy, for grief and having sympathy in these moments, and that what we saw is going to be normalized is what scares me the most about the direction that our country is headed, in that these types of reactions will just be the norm, and we will forget what decency, kindness and empathy look like in moments of tragedy. >> we actually have that soundbite let me play it for you and then i'll get dean's reaction. take a listen. >> do you. >> have a plan to go visit the. >> site or. >> meet with any of the. i have a plan to visit, not the site.

because what you tell me, what's the site? the water or to meet with the first responders? >> what? am i going to go swimming? >> yeah. >> you know, i'm old enough to remember and certainly have lived through so many national tragedies in this country where the president of the united states comes out as a kind of consoler in chief. it's one of the kind of like most basic job descriptions of an american president is that when something happens that the country collectively grieves over, when we're finding out that there were like figure skaters that were young kids pursuing their dreams, dying in that when we know that members of our military died, that collectively we grieve. your job is to kind of come out there and offer, you know, a shoulder for the country to collectively grieve on, not what do you want me to do? you want me to what am i going to go swim in the water? i mean, that's what that guy does. >> yeah. >> and that was a way of sort of a joke. like at a maga rally that kills. i have to be honest. it gets big laughs, that kind of stuff. the cruelty, that kind of things. look, i'm from jersey. donald trump's a scumbag. i mean, i think we can say that he's a vile, racist piece of

garbage. he happens to be president of united states, so we have to pay attention. if he wasn't, he'd be one of vile people out there in this country. i just wrote an article for my substack because i'm always here to plug stuff. that's why i come on the show. >> so absolutely. >> check out the dean's report. no, but i literally writing about donald trump said common sense. they said, how do you know that di was involved? common sense. and i started a famous quote from george wallace, the segregationist, and they said, why are you so hard on segregation? why are you so much in favor of it? and he said, quote, common sense. they don't invent new things. they copy the same playbook, the fascist, the dictators of white supremacist. and this idea that donald trump is the defender of white supremacy has been with us. white supremacy is as american as apple pie. you have to look at the history of this country from the original constitution, which had the 3/5 compromise and the fugitive slave clause to after the civil war. the civil war itself was to defend white supremacy, jim crow, george wallace, segregation today, tomorrow and forever. donald trump is just the next iteration of that. so the point is, we got to stand up to this guy, because if not,

they just just that's everything. diversity to them is different shades of white people. >> he did not have to come out for a press conference. nobody was like, hey, where's the president? right. he just kind of like, i mean, people were still kind of figuring out what happened. i don't think we had even heard officially yet from investigators on it. and yet here was the president wanting to kind of like, just suck the energy out of the room, suck the spotlight, go out there. kristi noem is now doing it as well. she's out there on the waters, but he's out there speaking on things that nobody was waiting to hear him talk about. no insight, no added value. >> so, you know, what we do as journalists is that we get on the phone and we talk to sources. right. so i was talking to a flight planner who works with air traffic control, and i was like, when the when your colleagues hear this being said, what's the reaction? he's it's very simple actually. so we all fly in planes. we all see the amount of people flying in planes. there's a lot of air traffic and there are not enough

air traffic controllers and flight planners to keep up with it. now, the united states of america is actually becoming a more diverse country. whether donald trump and all of his people like it or not, the demographics of this country are that it is becoming more and more nonwhite. therefore, when he this is what the person i spoke to said, attacks on di are only going to further exacerbate air traffic controller staffing issues because you want more young people, more diverse people, because our country is not made up of older, you know, heterosexual white men. right? that is going to be the future of air traffic control. so when he's saying, oh, di, my source was just saying, that's probably going to turn off a lot of people because it's not a lot of money. it's high stress. this generation wants to have life balance kind of situation, but you don't have that. >> we're also in a situation now where he is creating and those that support him are creating a culture whereby every single

person who is not white in a position of responsibility in this country. >> is. >> suspect. >> is now viewed with suspicion. >> yeah, but we. >> and that fundamentally tears at the fabric of our society as we've seen in charlie kirk has said, you know, when he gets on a plane, he sneaks a peek to see if the in the into the cockpit to see if the pilot is black or not. and that is where we are as a country, because the president of the united states is setting that tone. >> right. but, you know, we've lived through this. i did a piece in 19 mid 1990s. i don't know if you but, you know, it was like, oh my god, multiculturalism is going to destroy the united. i mean, do you remember this? like multiculturalism is going to destroy us. it's like, okay, how much longer is this going to go on? but you're right, it is creating a situation where and i've always been suspect, by the way. >> yeah. >> but i'm just like, okay, but who's laughing now? because i got the pulitzer and the peabody and the emmys and blah, blah, blah. we hate to have to do

that, but if you want to play that way. >> i'm so sorry that we have to put you next to dean on. >> this one. >> because he doesn't have. >> the new jersey chamber of commerce from 1998. >> that was that. >> was. >> that really that was was. >> it didn't even win that. i lost that one. i'm in third. >> out of three. >> right. all right. maria hinojosa, thank you so much. really love having you here. always a pleasure. please stick around. dean daniel. coming up we're going to get thoughts on we're going to get thoughts on friday night purges at the —hi! —hi! ♪♪ chocolate fundraiser. ♪♪ with the chase mobile app, things move a little more smoothly. ♪♪ deposit checks easily and send money quickly. [coins clinking] ♪♪ that's convenience from chase. make more of what's yours.

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wanted to fire a bunch of j6 agents. driscoll is an absolute stud. held his ground and told white house proxy doj to f off. while current and former fbi officials disputed that this happened. a former fbi official who knows driscoll well said he pushed back hard. this comes after trump's pick for fbi director kash patel promised to protect fbi employees against political retribution in his senate confirmation hearing. pretty unbelievable coming from the guy who literally had an enemies list of government officials. and senator blumenthal even brought up patel's weird history of praising the january 6th rioters. take a listen. >> let me turn. >> to the j. >> six choir. you know who the j six prison choir is, don't you? >> it's been referenced earlier. yes. >> and you know about. >> the song that, in fact, you produced you promoted, and you used to, as you put it. support.

>> raise awareness. >> and support for the. >> political prisoners still. >> locked in jail. those j six choir. >> were they. >> political prisoners? >> i don't. >> know. >> everyone in the. >> j six choir. >> that's what. >> you said. >> that's not. >> how i read it, senator. >> all right, dean. >> danielle, back with me. let's talk about patel here for a moment. how worried should we be about a kash patel being in that position? because, you know, and we didn't show this, but, you know, he basically everything he was saying, people found clips of him saying the exact opposite, like, whether he's like, i don't know who's in the january 6th choir. there was like video of him, like praising the january 6th choir, people saying like, oh, i don't know who this white nationalist, anti-semitic podcaster was. people would be like, here, are you on the. here's you on the podcast, like multiple times with this guy. white supremacist. >> i think the biggest problem

for kash patel is this thing called google, because you can find everything he's done. >> does he not know. >> that people. >> realize, oh, you have access to google when i'm fbi director, you won't have that anymore. look, the one senator said you were on that show of an anti-semite eight times. yeah. he goes, oh, i'm on a lot of people's show. i've done a thousand appearances. you went on eight times. if you went on one time, i could say, okay, you're doing a book tour eight times. you know exactly who the person is. i won't even mention the person's name. but kash patel, there was no dispute. there was reports for two years that he produced the j six choir. these are the people who were in prison for the january 6th attack. some of the worst of the worst, to be honest. who sang the national anthem and donald trump's had his voice dubbed in and at trump rallies. they would begin by saying, please rise for the unfairly treated january 6th hostages, and they would play that song. kash patel called them political prisoners. kash patel is alarming because he'll do whatever trump wants. he's on team trump, which is not team america. there's team america and there's team trump. kash patel is on team trump. >> what do you make of the fact that we're seeing this purge at

the fbi happen? the week that he is being confirmed as an fbi director, and literally after he said that there won't be a retribution of employees at the fbi. >> whatever they say, just think and believe the opposite of what is being said. i think that kash patel, being. named as the fbi director, is. going to make j. edgar hoover look like a kindergarten teacher. and his name still remains on the head of the, you know, on the building. yeah. on the surveillance that the fbi was doing on civil rights leaders, the surveillance, the bombings that they executed on civil rights leaders, and in black towns and spaces like these are things that the fbi has within deep inside of its history. it's not as if it was a boy scouts club. so let's just be clear on that. but the fact of the matter is, is that you're turning over the keys, much like we did the country, to a person who does not believe in democracy and has

called the media the enemy of the people, and has said that he's going to use the power of the fbi to, you know, to extract what they believe to be the enemy of the people. right. so anybody that dissents against this administration. so, i mean, it's extraordinarily dangerous. but i also believe that a lot of these confirmation hearings are nothing more than pageantry. there are opportunities for these senators to get up on their soapboxes and to be able to fundraise off of it. but at the end of the day, what coordination are democrats in the senate actually having, and what effect are they having in terms of arousing? as schumer had said in an email, the people to take action in any type of way. right now, the democratic party is tepid and feckless at best, and these people are wildly organized. this is not the last, you know, this is not

2017. this is a whole different time. and they had four years to plan and create a 900 page manifesto. so nobody should be shocked at this moment that these are the people being presented to take over america, because they told us that they were going to do it. >> what do you think the culture of the fbi will be if a patel if kash patel is confirmed as the director? i mean, you're looking right now. you're looking at a contrast, actually, in almost in real time. you've got the brian driscoll's of the agency, the deputy director, acting deputy director, who resisted this order to fire people who were involved in january, six investigations that number in the thousands. and you've got a kash patel who's, like, coming in ready to torch the place and go after deep state, arrest people in the media and all the retribution stuff he's been talking about for months. >> i think the doj, which is only an umbrella. the fbi is under the umbrella of doj. i think the ag's office and fbi are going to be on the same page because they got rid of prosecutors who worked on trump's case. the message is, if

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american tech overlords edition this week, a chinese ai startup called deep seek rocketed to the top of apple's app store. it shocked the ai world and turned wall street upside down. aren't american ai companies led by all of these brilliant tech billionaires that have been cozying up to trump, supposed to be dominating ai? well, deep seek users have also noticed some censorship that is common in china, like declining to respond to questions about taboo subjects like tiananmen square. here in the us, it was a particularly tough week for openai founder sam altman in 2023. altman was asked by an indian businessman about the prospect of engineers in another country launching a competitor to openai. look how he responded. >> where is it that a team from india, you know, three super smart engineers with, you know, not 100 million, but let's say 10 million could actually build something truly substantial. look. >> the way this. >> works. >> is we're. >> going to tell you. >> it's. >> totally hopeless to compete

with us on training foundation models. you shouldn't try. and it's your job to, like, try anyway. >> oops. >> this isn't the only quote from altman that's coming back to haunt him back in 2016. he compared trump to hitler in 1930s germany and wrote that trump represents an unprecedented threat to america. and now, after donating $1 million to his inauguration, he told trump at the white house last week how thrilled he is to be working with him. danielle and dean are back with me. all right, so who do you got as your worst of the week here? because you've got the chinese ai model deep seek with all of the baggage that comes with it, although at a fraction of the price. and you've got the arrogance and hubris of american ai, which may be more, i don't know, ethically sound, but is costing billions of dollars, probably running a racket. and the ceos of these companies are kissing the ring and bending the knee to what some would argue is a fascist leader. >> what makes them ethically sound here in the united states? >> i'm talking about the

censorship part of it like that, the ai part, you know, the comparison that they were making, that in the deep seek model, when you ask it a question about chinese history, it was saying, basically, i don't know what you're talking about. whereas with the american ai models, when you ask the controversial questions about american history, so far, as of yet, none of those models have said something, you know, that has caught people by surprise. >> and i believe that while we're on air, google is deciding to actually change their maps to represent the gulf of america. so i think that we do not have a leg to stand on when we're talking about who is ethical and who isn't and what. >> to choose. >> which one is your worst, what like, and who is censoring who and what when. i know so many organizations that have been shadow banned across meta for offering abortion information. so i'm going to go with american ai as my worst of the week, because, you know, i don't know what makes them better. and als,

why are they so expensive? it was going to be about time that they were going to be entities that were going to be able to put together, whether or not deep seek is it right there is going. i don't think that you do need a $500 million investment, which is what donald trump's administration is offering, which is basically just giving money to meta. elon musk, google and the rest of them. >> that soundbite from sam altman, from the from that conference in india, really kind of, i don't know, got under my skin like, you know, in technology and cooperation, you're supposed to kind of want to foster, hey, try to do it. let's all work together in this world. let's see if you guys come up with something better. we'd love to incorporate it. if we come up with something better, we want to incorporate it. but that just arrogant answer of like, don't bother competing with us. and then like, deep sea just pops out of nowhere and just, like, totally like. >> i got. >> five on it and then totally rocked your world. >> sam altman reminds me of the way you speak to me. yeah, very much like, don't try to compete with me. i'm the king here. it's my show. every time i hear i

leave, i get text messages. i'm going. >> to read that. >> okay. >> that's true, but still, it's subtle. it's underneath. it's subtext. here's the thing. in america, we don't let chinese censorship often. we like our censorship much more subtle. like nothing about palestine, right? could be anywhere on facebook or instagram. like no one knows it's being banned. but you post it. no one else sees it. well, you. >> just said. >> what you just said. if they post it on instagram or it won't be anywhere, no one will see. >> it, right? >> but you can post. >> it, right? you can post that. the charade, the illusion of democracy. you have the illusion of freedom in america. china doesn't have it. look, sam altman, the hypocrisy we've seen is just example 150 that we've seen since trump. people who were really vocal in 2017, 2018 about him, the threat he posed now bending the knee because it's good for revenue and profits. that's the world we live in right now. >> so who do you actually fear more? let's let me kind of rephrase it that way. who do you fear more american tech oligarchy or chinese tech oligarchy? you can say both. by the way, i'm not. i don't want to put words in your mouth. i'm

just saying, like. >> i honestly, i. >> think this. >> is a free space for whatever. >> for how? >> forever. how long we have our. freedom left in. >> this country. >> i'm going to say both. i think that we don't want 1% of the global population having a say so and dictating our lives. so i don't actually care what country the creators come from. like, you know, technology was supposed to be an additive to our lives, to help our lives be better, not to weaponize, not to be weaponized against us. and so to the point that's being made here about american ai versus chinese ai, both of them are weaponizing against the people. one is just more subtle right now. >> finally, quick thought. >> quick thought. i think ai is going to kill us all at the end so we know how it goes. that's good to. >> know that. >> thanks, buddy. appreciate it. daniel. good to. >> end on a. >> light note. >> yeah. >> well, we got one more lighter note that we're going to end on. but thank you so much danielle.

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>> all right. we are back with another worst of the week. this bonus round kicks off with the white house press secretary, caroline leavitt, who gave her first press briefing ever, ever after her boss set off a nationwide panic with his federal spending freeze. while americans are worried about, you know, access to medicaid and meals on wheels or school lunches. leavitt said, hold on, hold on. we have a much, much bigger problem. >> doge and omb. >> also found that there was about to be 50 million. >> taxpayer dollars that went out the door. >> to fund condoms. >> in gaza. that is a preposterous waste of. >> taxpayer money. >> so that's what this pause is. >> focused on. >> elon musk then claimed the condoms were just the tip of the iceberg, adding, quote, my guess is that a lot of that money ended up in the pockets of

hamas, not actually condoms. well, his comments and leavitt's spread like wildfire, but there was just one problem reality. now, the u.s. government does send condoms overseas to some regions of the world to help prevent the spread of hiv and aids, but a washington post fact check showed the u.s. has spent about $0.03 per condom on average in recent years. so if leavitt and musk's claims were true, usaid would have been planning to send more than 1.5 billion condoms to gaza, adding up to more than 700 condoms per person. even though fact checkers had a field day with that lie, it didn't stop donald trump from saying this. and that process we identified and stopped $50 million being sent to gaza to buy condoms for hamas. 50 million. and you know what's happened to them? they've

used them as a method of making bombs. how about that? >> after the gaza condoms lie was pushed by the president of the united states, and online researcher did actually some more digging. they found that the u.s. government sent not 50, but $83 million to the gaza province of the african nation of mozambique for hiv and aids prevention. so gaza province in mozambique, not gaza in the palestinian territories. yet even tonight, the state department is still bragging on its website about how the united states saved taxpayers from providing condoms to the people of gaza. trump's white house is sticking by that old saying, never let the truth get in the way of a good story. so dean is back with me. this does not seem like a fact that the white house or right wing media plans on fixing. they put that lie out there, even if it was, and i'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. it was good

intention to talk about gaza and mozambique. they do not want to admit that they got it wrong. they do not want to admit that they're absolutely flat out wrong on this one. with every data point that researchers have been able to gather, no condoms were going to gaza in this amount of money. >> the. i love that the washington post reached out to caroline leavitt and said, what's your proof? and she literally sent back an article from fox news just quoting her statement from the press conference. that was her proof. the washington post said. that's not proof. that's why they gave her four pinocchios. the idea that hamas, look, trump was reading off a teleprompter to when he was saying that wasn't like off the cuff. >> yeah, it was prepared. >> it is an administration wide lie to say $50 million were going to gaza and that hamas was making condom bombs, i guess. i don't know how you do that. and so and 1.5 billion of them to them, i guess it just plays to their base. i would imagine the palestinians in gaza would love $50 million, not for gaza, not for condoms, but to rebuild their homes and hospitals and

stuff like that. we saw the devastation is unlike anything we've ever seen in our lives, but they're not going to stop. it's i guess it plays well with musk and those guys on the right. >> that's all. >> i was going to say. like, you know, we can kind of laugh about it a little bit, and regardless of what the actual lie is or what the joke is or what the mistake was, the truth is we now live in this post-truth world where at the highest levels of the american government, a factual information piece of fact can get twisted, manipulated, obfuscated, gets disseminated to the world, gets mocked, and then the administration is just simply not going to correct it. and that's what if it's something as even if you want to call it as something as innocent as this, then imagine what they're willing to do for something more serious, something that may be dangerous, something that needs to be corrected. and they won't. >> and we saw it this week with the press conference after the tragic plane accident. trump going die. the idea it's diversity and reading is diversity doesn't make us safer. and they said what do you base that on? he goes common sense.

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