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very mediocre at best to extraordinary. i put safety first. obama, biden and the democrats put policy first, and they put politics at a level that nobody's ever seen. they put a big push to put diversity into the faa's program. the faa is actively recruiting workers who suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency's website. can you imagine they actually came out with a directive to white, and we want the people that are competent. >> i'm trying to figure out. >> how you. >> can come to the. >> conclusion right now that diversity. >> had something to do with this. >> crash. >> because i have common sense, okay. and unfortunately, a lot of people don't. we want brilliant people doing this.

>> so again, the president. >> going. >> to the briefing. >> room yesterday. >> as they were. >> still pulling the bodies out of the potomac, suggesting it. >> was. >> dui that caused this disaster. the president, citing diversity standards imposed by previous administrations. the washington post, is fact checking the. president's claims this morning, the paper reporting the obama administration in 2013 instituted a new hiring system. >> for air traffic. >> controllers that introduced a biographical questionnaire to attract minorities underrepresented in the controller corps. but trump, in his. first term, left the policy in place. and the faa, under trump in 2019, launched a program to hire controllers using the very criteria he decried at his news conference, nbc's peter alexander pressed. >> the president. >> on that. >> the cited faa to actually read is real, but the implication that this policy is new, or that it stems from efforts that began under president biden or the transportation secretary, pete buttigieg, is demonstrably false. it's been on the faa's website. you know, it's on the

website, the faa's website. it was there in 2013. it was there for the entirety. >> what i. >> read, it. >> was there for the entirety of your. administration to. so my question is, why didn't you change the policy during your first administration? >> did change it? >> i changed. >> the obama policy, and we had a very good policy. and then biden came in and he changed it. >> he did not change. >> the. >> policy again. and jonathan. >> lemire. >> the fact that we're. >> even having. >> this conversation, this semantic argument over who put the policy in place as some kind of suggestion that it is what led to a helicopter. flying into a passenger jet, killing 67 people without any evidence? why are we even talking about that to begin with? but you wrote about this for the atlantic yesterday, about the president behaving like he's still running a campaign, or that he's a businessman sitting at mar-a-lago, lobbing conspiracy theories and attacks on opponents. what did you see in that briefing. >> room. >> yesterday, john? >> yeah. >> yeah, i was in the room when the president addressed the press there, the. >> briefing, something. >> he wanted to do, didn't defer. >> to any of.

>> his officials. >> he himself. >> wanted the spotlight, wanted. >> the microphone, wanted the cameras. white house. officials told me, yes, this is yet another. >> moment here. first of. >> all, where a. >> fact checking is. >> really important. and good. job by peter, our colleague peter alexander. good work there by the washington post. >> it is. >> worth reiterating this is again a first policies. the diversity. >> initiatives were put in. >> place by president obama. >> trump. >> while he was president. >> left them. >> there and then. >> it was. >> his. >> own faa. >> when he was in charge that promoted. >> programs about. >> hiring those with. >> disabilities to join. >> that agency. and that. >> yesterday he, of course, tried. >> to blame them in a wedge issue, speaking. >> you know. >> in moments after a crisis, our. >> nation reeling. >> from it, choosing once again division also lying about his record very reminiscent, i will say of during the presidential campaign when he. >> gained much traction. >> from then. >> vice president harris. >> and the idea of. >> transgender surgery. >> provided for inmates in prisons. well, we fact.

>> checked it at the time and found that that program. >> also existed. >> under the trump administration. >> he. >> of course. >> when he. >> in. his bureau of prisons promoted it, he. >> of course. >> did not change it while he was in office. but bigger. >> picture, >> willie. >> it's another. moment where this president took. >> a time of. >> national tragedy and tried to use it to score political. >> points and attack. >> his foes. we've seen. >> it a few times. >> this month. >> the wildfires in southern california. he blamed that on democratic. politicians before. >> he was sworn in the terror attack. >> in new. >> orleans on new year's day. he blamed. >> that on the border. >> when it turned. >> out. >> of course, that it was a us citizen in. >> texas who carried out the attacks. his instinct. >> is never to bring people together. but even in. >> some stunning. >> fashion. >> try to blame others. >> and point. >> fingers when, of course, as president. >> the ultimate responsibility should be. >> lying with him. >> and you. >> can almost see him. >> anticipating blame of his administration in some way and. projecting that onto everyone else. he also. >> blamed former. >> transportation secretary pete buttigieg for various issues

within the faa. buttigieg responded on social media, writing, quote, despicable as families grieve, trump should. >> be. >> leading, not lying. we put safety first, drove down close calls, grew air traffic control and had zero commercial airline crash. fatalities out of millions of flights on our watch, president trump now oversees the military and the faa. >> one of his first. >> acts was to fire and suspend some of the key personnel who helped to keep our skies safe. time for the president to show actual. >> leadership and explain. >> what he will do to prevent this from happening again. that's former transportation secretary pete buttigieg. katty kay, watching the president yesterday in that briefing room where jonathan saw up close, reminded of people who said, you know what, he won a second term. now he's a two term president. he did it. maybe he'll settle in and be the president. a lot of people hoped he could be and put behind him the grievances and the personal attacks and all of the things that he used to get back to the white house on the campaign trail. but in this first week, clearly no evidence that that's going to happen.

>> yeah. or even. >> that this would be the. >> kind. >> of calmer. >> more grown up version of. >> the. first administration. >> that. >> with susie. >> wilson as commander. >> in chief, there had. >> been some speculation that, yes, they would move fast. the policies might not be policies that many democrats would agree. >> with, but things would be. >> efficient and work effectively. i think what we've seen in. >> the. >> last 48 hours is that that is not necessarily the case. >> we saw the. >> all of the funding. >> drawn back for domestic. grants in the country that had to be overturned. very quickly. then we saw the crash and the response. >> to the crash. >> but it looks like. >> donald trump. >> is feeling extremely. >> powerful and realizing that. >> even if. >> he says. >> something or goes too. >> far, then he's not going to get much pushback, right? i mean, yes, pete buttigieg. >> came out with a tweet saying that this was despicable. >> but you have not had a. >> complete outcry uniform. from members of the democratic party. >> responding to what. president trump did, effectively. blaming black. >> brown people, women, people with disabilities. >> for that air crash.

>> i mean, let's be honest. >> you know. >> that's what diversity is. and that is what the president said, that black. >> brown people. >> women and people with disabilities caused this crash. i mean, where is the outcry. from a coordinated outcry from democrats? now they've. >> been tied up. they've been tied up. >> in the. >> hearings on the capitol hill. >> it's just. >> this this. sense that. >> donald trump. >> wants to have a fight. the fact that he signed a memorandum even after that press conference doesn't suggest at all that he thinks he went too far. >> in that. >> press conference. quite the contrary. >> he wants. >> to. >> push it. >> even further. and he thinks that there. >> will be even if nothing. happens that's positive. >> there will be very little pushback. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a. still have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis... ...or crohn's disease symptoms after taking... ...a medication like humira or remicade? put them in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when symptoms tried to take control, i got rapid relief with rinvoq. check. when flares tried to slow me down,... ...i got lasting remission with rinvoq. check.

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>> i'm completely. >> different person. >> get growing at fool.com. >> we actually have a breaking news story. we are going to bring you. can you describe the document that you found? tell us how it fits into the broader picture of reporting on hexa. what do you make of the fact that i think a lot of people are seeing in you a form of courage that. >> they hoped. >> they would have themselves? what is it like to have all of that work and all of those cases and all of those convictions and all of those sentences wiped away by the president more than ever? this is not a time to pretend this isn't happening. >> who is the director of the fbi work for, mr. patel? senator, thank you for that question. >> the immediate. >> report for. >> the director of. >> the fbi is into the office of the deputy. >> attorney general. >> then that. >> report is taken into the office of the attorney general.

>> and ultimately the. >> white. >> house and the chain of command there. >> so the. >> fbi works for the white house? >> no. >> the fbi is a member. >> of the department. >> of justice and. >> has been. >> the long. >> standing application. who does. the department. >> of justice work for? they're in the executive. >> branch. >> as all members. >> do at. >> the white house. attorney general bondi gave. >> a different answer. >> when asked to the. >> same question that they work for the. >> constitution and the american people. >> so, senator. >> take us inside that room. your assessment for people who may have just seen a couple of soundbites, your assessment of kash patel's performance, and many have said it was a performance because so much of what he said in that room contradicts everything he said for many years now. >> well, there was a stark difference between years. >> of. >> public statements. in his book government gangsters on many podcasts. >> and. >> speeches and rallies where. kash patel talked openly. frequently about retribution against the. >> political opponents. >> of president. >> trump and. >> his testimony yesterday. i

focused on two core questions. >> that i thought had some chance. >> of troubling. >> republicans if they were. listening on. >> the committee. >> one was, who would you work for as director of the fbi? and the other was. >> if given an illegal or. >> unconstitutional order, would. >> you be willing. >> to disobey it and to resign if pressed? i asked that exact. >> same question. >> of chris wray. he answered appropriately that he would resign rather than carry out any illegal order. and on the question you just played, who. >> would you work for? >> he answered. >> who you report. >> to, and even when pressed. >> and. >> given a chance to answer differently a. second time, he kept focusing on the fbi director, works. >> through. >> the doj for the president. that's the core issue here. the fbi needs to. >> be politically independent. >> and i asked him several different ways over two rounds. would you not obey. >> an order if directed. >> by president. >> trump. >> either to. >> stop an investigation into someone connected to him or in

the white house, or refused to open an investigation if. >> it was unfounded or. >> unethical or unconstitutional? i was not at all reassured by kash patel's. answers yesterday. >> i will. >> vote against. >> him for fbi director, but i thought it. >> was. >> important to focus. >> in a calm, clear way on the questions. >> that might concern republicans. >> and frankly, i'm. not persuaded that they were listening to what was being said. >> yesterday and paying attention to the. very troubling long record mr. patel has of partizan statements that suggest. >> a focus. >> on retribution. >> yeah. >> it doesn't look like. >> very many republicans are interested in in voting no. >> on him. >> a lot has. >> been happening. >> this week. and then of course, we've had the plane crash as well. >> one thing that has got perhaps a little. >> bit. less attention that i know that. >> you've been focused. >> on is the total fraud on. freeze on. >> us foreign assistance. >> i've been hearing my daughter is a data scientist. she works in malaria research. her job has been cut. malaria is actually one of the things. >> that senator rubio stood.

>> up in his confirmation. >> hearing and said was. >> very beneficial to the united states. what's the impact? >> but i'm. more interested. >> in what is the impact. >> on the united. >> states of. cutting these aid programs. >> around the world, even if it is only for 90 days? i mean, let's say it's all reinstituted in 90 days. what's the damage. >> that's been done to america's not. >> just. >> reputation. >> but. >> national security? >> so three things. >> on that, if i could. >> we had a hearing on foreign relations yesterday about china and the us. >> competition globally. >> with china for the hearts and. >> minds, the allegiance. >> the engagement of people around. >> the. >> world where. >> china is doing very well. >> china is advancing rapidly. >> in their engagement. >> in africa, in the caribbean. >> in. central and south america. >> and southeast asia. >> and part. >> of the point of our being a reliable partner. decades of partnership. >> in. global public health in. >> development is so that we can say. we are a reliable partner, freezing all of these programs for three months means many of them will. >> never come back. >> folks who get laid off for 90 days are going to go do. >> something else.

>> many of the small contractors. >> the businesses, the local employees. >> are being let go or shut down. it is true. secretary rubio has helped to ensure there is a humanitarian. >> exemption. >> but there's lots of work. >> that's done. >> to help promote democracy, to push back on. >> chinese and. >> russian disinformation, to monitor diseases. we were just talking about there is an ebola outbreak in uganda. there's a marburg outbreak. >> in tanzania. these are. >> both lethal diseases that spread rapidly. the united states plays a. >> key role. >> in keeping us safe from threats that come from abroad, public health threats, and in keeping our partners and. allies safe and in helping them. >> by showing. >> we're not a reliable and trustworthy ally. this 90 day freeze, which. >> may. go on. >> longer, i think puts. our safety and security and our reputation. at risk. coming up, can. >> europe stop. >> elon musk? >> that's the question that the atlantic's anne. applebaum asks in. >> her. >> new piece. >> we'll talk. >> to her when morning joe

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>> she has. >> a new piece out asking. >> can europe stop elon musk? and you know the. >> question. >> and. >> i'm so glad you're. here and we can get. >> your insight. >> i would. >> just assume if. >> elon musk. >> is going. >> into to britain. >> and trying to. influence their. >> elections, i. >> would. >> think there would be. >> blowback that would help. labor if he was doing the same thing in. >> germany. >> especially on. >> the eve of the 80th. anniversary of the. >> liberation of auschwitz. you would. >> think the. >> social democrats. >> and the. christian democrats. >> in germany would be helped by. is there any. >> evidence that there is. >> blowback from the world's. >> richest man trying to. >> influence these. political elections? >> so, yes, there is blowback. i

saw some statistics. showing that elon musk, who i think was previously rather popular in europe, you know, he was seen as an advocate of green energy and so on, that his popularity has gone down. >> there has. >> been a backlash against him, both from the labor party and the tories. actually, the conservative party in britain who don't like him interfering in their campaigns. there's a blowback in germany, but there is another problem which actually is connected to something you guys were talking about a few minutes ago, which is that the problem isn't just musk, it's also his platform. so his platform is configured to, you know, give an advantage to the afd, or if it's configured to give an advantage to the reform party, to the to the far right in the uk, you know, is that legal? is that interference in the election campaigns of europe? and this is actually a big political question now in europe, which is it's not just musk himself and the, you know, the what seem to be now deliberately provocative,

deliberately, you know, kind of nazi, quasi nazi or even real nazi things that he's saying. but it's also the fact that he runs a very influential social media platform whose algorithms can. be can be manipulated. >> so and let's broaden this a little bit here, because. >> you can't talk about elon musk right now without talking about donald trump. >> and we. >> saw over. >> the weekend. >> that trump. >> did break. >> with musk a little bit. because he had a phone. >> call with uk prime minister. >> keir. >> starmer. >> praised him. >> said. >> he was a good man. you know, we know musk has. >> been sharply. >> critical of. >> the. >> prime minister here. >> but how is. >> europe, europe. >> leaders that you've. spoken to. >> how are they taking these. two in tandem now that trump's. >> back in power? >> it's very difficult. you know. is musk a business leader? is he a member of the trump administration? should he be treated as an official. and this is this is the difficulty with musk, is that he is now effectively. an oligarch in the. russian meaning of the word meaning, he's somebody who is both.

>> very wealthy. >> and politically influential. and those roles cross. and that's created a lot of confusion in europe. i mean, it has given some impetus to there is a new european law called the digital services act, which. is theoretically capable of regulating social media, including twitter or x. they're looking at it right now. their main goal is to open it up and make it more transparent. but there is now a question, you know, can europeans regulate social media? will there be a blowback from the trump administration? jd vance has hinted that there would be. you know, it's very we're really in a i don't know if americans understand we're really in a new world. we have a we have a government that is an administration that is very, very hard for outsiders to understand because it doesn't it's not acting like any previous american administration. it has people like musk in it whose roles are ambiguous. >> so and when you were asked by. european leaders, when you

were asked. >> by colleagues. across europe what what. >> your. >> take was. >> on the. >> first week of. >> the trump. >> administration and. >> how they should interpret it. what's your answer? >> i mean, my answer is they campaigned using extreme language. they said they were going to do extreme things. trump has appointed a cabinet of people who, many of whom aren't even republicans, or they're certainly not conservatives in any classic european or even american definition of the word conservative. you know, this is a very radical administration, and, you know, it's going to behave in ways that are not like any american administration that anybody could remember, at least not since the second world war. it's not a question of being right wing or left wing or conservative or liberal. it's just going to behave differently. and the musk is the musk is only one piece of it. i mean, there's, there's the greenland story and there are plenty of other stories. and i think people are genuinely having you know, i've been part

of a number of conversations where people say, okay, we need to think differently about the united states, what's our relationship to it? and i think most people are just right now waiting to see what will happen, which i think is the right answer. i mean, let's yeah. you know, you don't you don't, you know, you know, we don't know because this is an administration that, as peter baker said, doesn't act on the in the it's acting in the interests of the president rather than in the interests of american national interests in the way it's been traditionally defined or has been defined for the last 50 years. people are readjusting the way they think about foreign policy. >> when we return. our friend, msnbc. >> host chris hayes, talks to us about his new book titled. >> the siren's. >> call how. >> attention became. >> the. >> world's most endangered resource. resource. >> that's next. watch your step! that's why visionworks makes it simple to schedule an eye exam that works for you. even if you have a big trip to plan around. thanks! i mean, i can see you right now if that's...convenient. visionworks. see the difference.

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fall of the. >> third reich. >> and i think we all did. we did enough reading to understand the horrors in. >> a very real way. you have written. >> a book. i think it's so extraordinarily. important right. >> now about. how right now. >> our neurological. >> structures are. >> evolutionary characteristics, the things that stamp. us through evolution, our social. impulses are being preyed upon by algorithms. and then. >> twisting those social. >> impulses. >> twisting those evolutionary. >> instincts. >> twisting what. >> it. >> is that makes. us human. i could not. be a more timely book. could you tell us about it? >> yeah. >> well, thank you for that intro. >> yeah. i mean. siren's call, it's. >> called the. >> siren's call, and i think. >> look. >> attention is a faculty. >> we all have. >> and it's necessary for. >> survival, right? >> i mean. >> like, literally. it evolves.

>> so that you. >> can. >> hear the predator rustling in the bushes. and because we have this faculty. >> for what. >> is called compelled attention, right. someone walks in a room and shatters a glass. >> a gunshot. >> goes off. >> right before. >> you have a chance. >> to have. >> any consciousness. >> about whether you're. >> paying attention to it. >> your your attention. >> is pulled. >> right. and because. >> we have that faculty. of involuntary attention, we now have. >> a world in. >> which attention is. i would say, the defining resource. >> of our age. the largest corporations. >> working at levels of. >> intense sophistication. >> to extract that attention and preying on. that faculty, we. >> have for. >> it to be compelled. and so we get more of. more of the world. >> our entire. >> lives feels like. >> a casino floor and times square, and the buzzing of the. >> phone when your phone buzzes. >> that haptic feedback. that's a. >> very smart engineer who came up with the idea that if you. >> have that. >> feedback. >> you're going to have. >> to pay attention to the. >> notification whether you. >> want. >> to or. >> not. >> because it's.

>> actually talking to. >> something deep in your wiring. and that is our experience. >> of life. i mean, it's. >> the phone. >> that buzzes at us. it's the. >> social media account. that notifies us, oh, who's trying to reach me or what am i missing? and it seems like some politicians have really taken advantage of this. ezra klein, the times writes this week the donald trump best of all, he understands. >> that's his weapon. that is the. >> greatest insight. >> that donald trump had. >> was i think. >> it. >> came from a. >> deep place. like, i don't. >> think you. >> couldn't i don't think donald trump sat around. >> and theorized this. >> right. it's just. >> totally tactile for him. >> his instinct that. >> attention is the. most important thing. >> and one of the things that donald trump really gets. >> is that. >> he will take negative attention over no attention. this is the key thing. >> most politicians. >> when given the. >> choice between negative attention. >> and no attention, they're like. >> i don't want to make news. >> i don't want. people to. i don't want to polarize people. i don't want people mad at me. trump will take negative attention over no. >> attention every time. >> and what it. leads to. >> is this kind of attentional. >> dominance, and you're seeing.

>> the effects. >> of it. what have we learned, chris, about. >> gaining attention. >> if people. >> are. >> tuning out. >> which is. happening in. >> a. lot of this. >> country, we've been talking. about it. again today. >> what seems to. >> break through? >> how what are we? what are. >> the. >> methods. >> if you will, of. >> gathering or garnering attention? >> it's a great question. i mean, i think part of what we're dealing with. is because of. >> how that faculty. >> evolves in. >> us, that it's easier to. >> shortcut hack. >> for. >> getting attention. >> tends to be negativity. >> outrageousness. and obnoxiousness, right? >> so we're constantly. >> dealing with. >> this kind. >> of. >> what we call. >> the troll dilemma, right? >> that in. >> any setting, if you don't. >> care about. >> negative attention, the best. >> way to. >> get attention is to act outrageously. >> it's a much. >> harder thing. >> to get positive. >> attention, and that that. >> requires a lot. >> more work. >> you know, it requires. >> to go back to aristotle, like the craft and art of rhetoric, logos, ethos, pathos. but that's a much that's a tougher climb than the kind of trolling that we see. >> from. >> you know. >> a lot of people prominently. >> i've also noticed.

>> that it's. >> making money. >> to grab attention. you have people with. podcasts or with whatever these platforms are today that literally every. >> day think. >> of what kind of rage. >> they can. >> throw out there, right. and it's a. >> business model. >> it's a business model. and it's. >> it's taking. >> in most i mean, a lot of young people especially. >> yes. and it's even. >> a business model in politics. >> i mean. >> there's both. >> you know, the sort. >> of world in. >> which everything is content, right? >> that the. >> shock. >> the shock. >> which, again, is a way. >> of getting attention, the. >> defining sort of. >> social aspiration of the. youngest generation is to. >> be famous. right? like, we know this through polling, but even in politics. >> i mean, i. >> remember when mccarthy was deposed, right? when they when they. >> came after mccarthy. >> you had members of the republican caucus getting the will of the house and saying. we are up here because people are trying to fundraise off of this stunt. like, the only reason we are here is that people are monetizing. >> the attention on. >> them, and they all saw it for

what it was. of course, that's also true about the person at the. >> head of. >> the party. >> but they saw it for what it was in that moment, and their frustration was, we are trapped in something that we cannot escape from. >> it's so. >> so hard on the kids, and it's. >> so. >> interesting to note that a lot of the people behind. >> these platforms, the. tech leaders, don't let their kids have phones for a long time in their lives telling you that they know the damaging effects of the phone. >> they have. >> become. >> i think, radicalized. >> and one of the. things i think. >> we're seeing. >> and i think you're going to see more and more of this, you're starting to see it is, you. >> know, jonathan. >> height's book, you know. about the anxious generation, which. >> of course, is a huge bestseller. >> you know, this book is sort of about what it's doing. >> to all of us. >> not just kids, because i do think sometimes we think. >> like. >> oh, no, i know. >> it's kid. >> it's like. >> well. >> no. >> no. >> it's no. >> it's all. >> every single person. >> and i think what you're starting. >> to see. >> is a. >> really profound.

>> backlash brewing. and it's going to. >> be enormous. >> the spring is getting pushed down and down. people's frustration with this attentional. vortex we all live in, whether it's in. >> politics, whether it's in. >> our most intimate. moments we want to enjoy. >> there is. >> a rebellion against it brewing. >> joe. >> yeah, there really is. you know. >> and chris, mika and i. >> were. >> just talking. >> last night. >> and talking to several people who seem to be disconnecting. >> now. i'm a. >> luddite, i try. my children laugh at me. i try to go to the flip phone. like every week. that usually lasts. >> through. about tuesday or. >> wednesday, but. >> we've started to hear more people. >> talking about getting. >> off their smartphones. >> more leaving. >> social media. >> i mean, and we're not just talking about. >> x. >> we're talking about social media. >> they understand what. >> it took us. >> years to understand. >> about the casinos. >> it's rigged. >> the casinos. always win. the algorithms. >> always try to enrage you. try to. suck you in, try to take

your life away from you. >> i had a. guy that called me. >> up, you. >> know. a couple of months back when mika and i were having a lot of fun on. >> social media. >> we thank. >> god we. >> aren't on, i'm not on. >> social media. >> and he would call me. >> like every. 15 minutes. >> and he. >> was just like pulled down. and i was like. >> dude, get off social media. >> i get. >> you keep you keep calling me every 15. >> minutes and you kept. >> interrupting me. i've got my four kids here for thanksgiving, and so. >> i'm good. >> this is the best i've been. i've got four. >> kids under. >> my roof. >> this is. >> the. >> best i've been. >> get off of social media. >> and i think he is. >> i think. >> more and more people are understanding. >> it's rigged. >> it's a casino. >> like you said. >> and this is a really key point. we the one of the tricky things. >> right. >> the sort of sort of quicksand. >> of. >> of social media is social

attention. >> right. >> we you go up through your life. >> and all the. >> social attention you get is from people you have. >> actual relationships with. >> you don't get social attention from strangers in your formative years. you get it from caregivers, friends, siblings, people. so when you get social attention from strangers, which is what starts to come in on social media, you're conditioned to have it hit you like it's someone that you love, right? like it's someone you have a relationship with. >> it's oh. >> but it's not right. >> and that. >> experience can't make. >> that difference. >> exactly. that experience. >> used. to be a. >> small little. >> group of people that had some measure of fame would experience this, and it would drive them crazy. right? this is like a trope, a cliche. now, that experience that joe that you're talking about, that's been democratized for everyone. so everyone for the first time really in human history, everyone can have the experience. of social attention from strangers at scale that only used to exist for a tiny. and it is really, really at odds

with our wiring about what we seek. >> from relationships. >> and if we could, i know we have to close this conversation, but can you imagine the nightmare for parents? okay, they take away the phone. they don't want the kids to have the phone, but they have to do their schoolwork on. their computer. and then all the things are coming up. it's constant. they're up all night. i mean, these fragile minds cannot make the differentiation that you're talking about here. and we're seeing the uptick in suicidal ideation and other very, very negative behaviors because of how the kids are being conditioned. through these algorithms, you can make. >> a direct connection. >> yes. >> and even. >> when it's not. >> having the acute harm. >> that. >> you're discussing, to joe's point about his friend, right. there's a deeper philosophical question of like, how do we want to live our lives, right? and where do we want. >> to put our attention. >> that is primary. >> to what. >> it is to be human at any age? and so even if you.

>> are. >> not in that category where you're suffering from the most acute versions, the deep question is still there. to joe. joe, to your point, like the thing you want to spend your time doing is be with your kids at. >> thanksgiving, right? >> and yet there's this siren's call. right of something pulling your attention away from that and reorient ourselves around the things we want. coarsening is. >> the key, right? >> so. >> so, chris, can i can i ask you what's then. >> yeah. how do americans. how do people. >> across the world. >> get away with it? i'm fortunate that that. >> a lot of people around me. >> are very skeptical of. >> carrying around smartphones and staring at them and, and. obsessing over what. >> people say, who they've. >> never. >> met, never will meet. >> the question. >> is, though, what what is the bigger. answer for. >> all of us? >> what what does what. conclusions do you draw? >> what do we what's the three

step process? >> so i think look, i think there's at the most basic level for people forcing yourself every day to spend 20 to 30 minutes alone with your own thoughts. so that's just like the most basic, like, what's the thing i can do? the second level is rebuilding a digital world and an internet that is noncommercial. we have had that before. the noncommercial internet is what gave us wikipedia. it's what gave us. >> the open web. >> that was the platform that incredibly created this, this productivity boom. right now, our entire lives online are lived in commercial spaces. it's like living in a mall. you need to have public, noncommercial spaces in the internet. and the third, and this is where this is going to go, is regulation. i really, truly believe that we're going to start to see attempts to regulate whether that's capping screen time, whether that's age limits, whether that's other ways of saying that there's some public interest here in limiting or structuring

people's relationship to this attentional vortex. >> chinese authorities would. >> agree with you. yeah. >> the chinese. >> authorities want their kids don't see what our kids. >> see one time. >> one of the things that's. >> key, right, about. >> the tiktok ban and the intermediate scrutiny the court applied, is that the thing they said was because the ban was total and not content specific. it didn't trigger strict scrutiny. right. the highest level of review for first amendment infringement. and i do think there's the content question gets caught up in this conversation. we need to separate that out from this attentional question. >> coming up. >> john larroquette. >> who won four emmys for his. portrayal of attorney dan fielding in the classic show night court, talks about the night court, talks about the return of the hit when we started feeding bogie the farmer's dog, he lost so much weight. pre-portioned packs makes it really easy to keep him lean and healthy. in the morning, he flies up the stairs and hops up on my bed. in the past, he would not have been able to do any of those things.

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>> wanting it to be over is implied. when you said murder mystery. >> party. >> hey. >> murder mystery parties are. >> not on trial. if so, i'd. >> have to recuse myself. because i. >> love them. >> everyone gets dressed. >> up. >> the lights go out, there's a dead body, and you have to figure out who did it and why. my date. >> disappeared into. >> a bedroom with a different person. >> i've got the perfect way. >> to keep your man. >> happy this christmas. >> the standard 3000. >> would you. >> care for a demonstration, ma'am? >> ma'am. >> just because. >> somebody said i was eating yogurt earlier. >> that is a look at season three of the nbc sitcom night court. originally airing famously for nine seasons from 1984 to 1992, the series returned in. >> 2023. >> bringing back one of the original show's. >> main. >> characters, lawyer dan fielding, who was played by. >> our next guest. john larroquette. >> who won four consecutive emmys for his role. >> in the. >> original series. and john joins us now live in studio, also director on the series and

executive producer. >> nice to see you. >> good morning. good morning. so thank you. >> you suffer. >> the same. affliction that all three of us suffer. you saw yourself on camera and you cringed. >> even. >> after all these years. >> yeah, i don't. >> i don't. >> like it. >> and you mentioned. >> your voice. my voice i can handle because i started in radio at a very young age. so my voice had to be sort of cultivated to get away from the new orleans accent i had. but my face, even when i direct, i famously put tape on the monitor so i don't see myself and just watch the rest of the scene. really? yes, i can't, i just what all i see is a this balloon nose. >> and these. >> fat, terrible. >> you know, you're very good. you should watch. >> yourself once in a while. >> people seem. >> to like you. >> thank you. >> so let's go back to sort of the genesis of this new incarnation of night court, because you did it. it was wildly successful. you won four emmys. you had other successful shows, the john larroquette show after that, when they called and said, we want to kind of get the band back. together and. >> do it again. you thought, what? >> no, thank you. very quickly

and very gratefully to. >> and the person that called me was melissa rauch. and i thought, what a it's. it's a good idea. >> if you want. >> to do it, because i think it's the kind of workplace comedy that could certainly stand a, a new version of it. but there was no reason to pull. >> my. >> my butt out of mothballs for that because i thought selfishly, egotistically, i don't want to be compared to myself when i was 34 years old. i can't jump as high as i used to. i can't. >> run. >> as fast. i love physical comedy, so i'm not quite as agile as i used to be. i'm not sure what's funny about. >> him. >> now, what is funny about him? and so for a year and a half, she and i talked, and dan rubin, who's our showrunner. we talked and i kept saying no. and originally melissa was not going to be in it. her company was going to produce it. you know, she had a production deal after. >> leaving. >> big bang, so she was going to produce it. but after we became close friends during this time, she thought, i really i should do this with you. then i thought, well, i'm i'm screwed now. i have to because she. >> yes. >> right. >> exactly right. it was sort of a pact. >> yes. >> signing pact. so you are now,

as i said, a defense attorney. we're on the original show. >> you were a prosecutor? >> yes. >> how does that. >> change things. >> for you? well, for the character, it changes a lot because. >> you know, and fielding is still. >> rather misanthropic. >> he still doesn't have a lot of faith in the human species. and as a prosecutor, he could just hammer people about. you deserve to be guilty. >> you deserve to. >> go to jail. now he's on the other side of that table where he has to sort of figure out a way to defend these people and make it okay for what i did. and obviously the cases we get through that court are minor things. we're not dealing with any heavy crimes at all. so he has to sort of be more of a human being and more empathetic than he probably is, naturally tends to be. so. >> so, john. >> listening to you. talk about the. >> agony that. >> you went through. whether to do. >> it or not, to do it, and finally. >> doing. it again. how much of. >> the character, though you've done a lot in your life as an actor, you're a professional actor. >> how much. >> of the character stays with you after an absence of time? >> i don't think much, you know, and i and i've had this conversation with my wife a lot, and the only example i have of

that not happening. i did a little independent film in my hometown in new orleans, playing a rather depressive, angry, sour individual. and for several months after that, i was sort of angry and depressed and sour. and elizabeth said, this guy stuck with you and i. i've never considered myself a real actor. i'm a i'm a tv comedian. i, you know, whatever. but he stayed. with me. but the rest of. >> it doesn't, you. >> know, it's just if it's on the page, it's. >> on the stage. >> as jason roberts once famously said, i sort of i can leave it. i don't i'm not daniel day-lewis by. >> any stretch of the. >> imagination anywhere in this room. and so it does. it doesn't stay. >> so when the first day of shooting. >> for this. >> reprise. you just. >> walked. right into it and started. >> all over again, i did. yeah. and the first scene, we see him, i've got a beard down to here. this young lady knocks on his door. he's now a missing. he's a hermit, basically. he got married, finally found the love of his life. she died. and so he's sort of given up. but this young lady appears who's the daughter of his old friend, the

judge, and it sort of pulls him back out into life. but the sarcasm and the acerbic humor was always there, because i think that is part of me. >> you mentioned. >> being born and raised in new orleans. we're talking. >> about in. >> the. >> commercial break. how has that extraordinary, unique city informed not just your life, but your profession? you were a musician, yes. how was it informed the kind of performer. >> you are? well, i think that, you know, new orleans, there's a lot of pageantry in new orleans. i mean, there's mardi gras and there's festivals, and people dress up and they're out in the world parading down the streets and playing music and having a good time. so i think enjoying oneself in that world is very natural to me. i was a musician as a as a young man, as you mentioned, and i euphemistically say about 18, i realized i could talk better than i could blow. so i put the saxophone down and started working in radio. but there's a lot of there's a lot of jubilation in new orleans culture, and i think that helps you be gregarious and be extroverted on stage and in front of a camera. >> performance is encouraged in new. >> orleans is question.

>> let's take another look at a clip here from next week's episode, where john's character gets a little feedback from the head of the city's satisfaction initiative. >> who your. client was not satisfied. >> do you often find. >> it difficult relating to. >> people who are. >> younger than you? >> no. >> but i do find it difficult relating to people who. >> are stupider than me. >> okay, i'm sensing some hostility. >> but when one. >> of our more. >> seasoned public. defenders is called out of touch, you got to. >> make. >> sure he's up to the job. >> you understand that, >> right, guy? >> yeah. >> you know, what i. >> understand is that. >> swift was correct when he said, when a true genius appears that all the dunces will form a confederacy against him. >> oh, you're a swifty. oh. >> jonathan swift. >> her name is taylor.

>> andrew reynolds. >> very funny, great actor. >> he's great. >> he's great. i unfortunately, my i was doing a broadway play when he opened in book of mormon, so i couldn't see him. but my wife and youngest son went to see him, and they just praised him up and down. and i was very happy that he chose to come and do that sort of thing. let me really quickly about this four camera sitcom format. actors like doing it. you work in front of an audience. it's sort of like doing a play. every friday we get and we do the show in front of the audience. so if you're that kind of actor who likes that feedback, it's a great show to be on. any, any four camera sitcom like that. >> four cameras on set? >> yes. four cameras on set in a semicircle, and we're shooting into the set and we just do each scene, you know, in sequence, like a play, and we'll repeat them. obviously, if we screw up or they think of a funnier line which writers always want to do, but the idea of getting that feedback from 300 people in the house every, every friday night. >> i noticed you had a. >> much easier time watching andrew perform. >> in that than. >> watching yourself. >> absolutely right. you were locked. >> in on. >> that one. i just caught myself on the back of myself and oh, the walter brennan story.

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neighborhood. >> welcome back to. >> a second. >> hour of morning joe weekend. >> there's lots. >> more to bring you from what was a chaotic second week of the trump presidency. let's take a look. >> david. good morning. what were your impressions as you sat

and listened? kash patel doing what nominees do from time to time, which is say the right things over the course of those hours to get themselves confirmed, but also often in stark contrast with everything they've said for. years before that hearing. >> yeah. and thank. >> you for pointing that out. >> that clip of him saying he disagreed with the commutations regarding january 6th. >> was the one moment. >> where he did shift from his past statements. >> in this memoir. >> he wrote he i'm not sure the exact wording at this point, but he he called january 6th and the charges that were brought a made up insurrection. when he was asked under oath yesterday why he went on podcast with hosts that have expressed antisemitic and conspiracist views. he said i went on there to tell them to make them, you know, confront them with the truth. that's why i went on there. and he didn't actually, you know, do that as far as i know, when he appeared on those broadcasts. so he was very evasive. he wouldn't say that joe biden won the 2020

election. and then separately, there was news that was reported by my colleagues, ken dilanian and ryan riley, that already dismissals of senior officials in the fbi have begun. >> yesterday. >> several of them were told to leave. so it was a very confusing message yesterday. so, david, you know, part of why it has drawn such scrutiny is there's. >> first this. >> belief that he. >> will. >> do whatever donald. >> trump has. >> asked. >> will ask. >> him to do. >> he has said that in. >> the past. and also, of course, he has an enemies list printed for all to. >> see in the back of. >> his book. and we certainly believe, you know, people he would potentially go after is more expansive than those just written. >> down there. did that. >> come up yesterday? >> what did he say. >> about this idea of using the department of. justice to carry out retribution? >> he vowed he wouldn't. >> do it. >> as you saw senator graham say. he said that, you know, the democrats have used it for weaponization. i'm not going to do that. and he insists, he. >> says in the book. >> over and over, there are. criminal members of the deep state, and it's a list of people that he says are members of the

deep state. and he just denies that he sort of, you know, distorted his own past. i felt and i think that it's. very concerning. >> one of the. >> things we've also learned is that there's a half dozen advisers who've. arrived at the justice department, sorry, at the fbi, and are working on the director's floor, the seventh floor, two. >> of. >> them are have. >> are affiliated in. >> some way with spacex. >> one of them is. >> a former aide of representative jim jordan, a real, you know, a republican who's been incredibly negative and, you know, criticizing the current fbi. and this is all unprecedented after j. edgar hoover's decades of abuse, there was massive reforms in the 1970s. >> there's only been. >> one political appointee in the entire fbi for 50 years. that's the director. you now have a half dozen people coming in to work for. workforce doesn't know who they are, and current fbi officials are very worried about what's happening. so it was a. >> blockbuster day. >> on the hill yesterday. there are two other major hearings. let's talk about those now. second day of bobby kennedy junior's hearings for hhs. he still again seemed confused about the very basics of

medicare and medicaid. it was interesting. i caught my attention. senator cassidy position himself really pressed him on questions there at the end that kennedy didn't answer all that well. some believe that maybe cassidy creating a path to get to know. maybe he would be a fourth vote. we're not sure. and there's also tulsi gabbard, who and i'll just read from it here, some republicans who maybe went into this hearing inclined to support her, or at least giving her the benefit of the doubt. maybe not a few, just a few reactions here. senator lankford from oklahoma, who previously said he backed gabbard, said afterwards there were a lot of questions. now, senator curtis, of utah, said the hearing deepened his concerns about her judgment. todd young of indiana, who was we saw a little bit there clashing here with about edward snowden, said, quote, i've got for now at least all the information i need. and then senator josh hawley, who was a trump supporter to the hilt, said, i'm worried that her nomination may be in jeopardy. tell us, particularly on that one, since it's the national security world. tell us what you're hearing about gabbard and her chances. >> i think. >> she's in the most trouble.

and it's partly bluntly that she's a former democrat. and there were sort of basic questions that she. wouldn't answer. a question from a democrat about, you know, edward snowden. and so i think she's. >> in the most trouble. >> and what's fascinating in this deeply divided senate. >> is a single. >> vote could make a difference. pete hegseth was one vote away from being blocked. thom tillis didn't vote against him. so i think she's. in trouble. i think kennedy again, cassidy. it was amazing to watch him as a physician bring up all these issues with, you know, all these vaccines that have he's seen as a physician help people. so if there is a flip, it would be those two nominations. but i do think that kash patel will will get through and be confirmed. >> david. >> talk a little bit more. >> about thom tillis. my understanding. >> had been that he hadn't been keen on pete hegseth, didn't. >> think he was necessarily. qualified for the job, but because he is up for reelection himself in 2026, he doesn't want to jeopardize his own chances of becoming senator again. why would he take a different stance on. >> tulsi gabbard? >> is there a feeling that

somebody like tillis. has a pass on one of these? and that's just where he's choosing to play his his get. out of. jail free card, as it were? >> or is this. >> genuinely that he is more concerned about. gabbard than he might have been about hegseth? >> it's fascinating and a great question, and we've been reporting on it, and we'll try to report more. danielle hegseth, the former sister in law of pete hegseth, said that she was promised by a senator. it appears that was senator tillis. i don't know for sure here that if she said on the record that hegseth had had acted in such a volatile manner that he caused his second wife to fear for her safety, that votes would flip. in a statement after he was confirmed, danielle hegseth talked about how she was promised and her sense of frustration, talked about different ndas that could force women who suffer abuse from not being able to speak out. so why he chose that vote? it's not clear, but it's something we're still pursuing. but he embraced

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>> look, i think. >> the idea is to make. >> people fear. >> going about. >> their daily lives, fearing. >> going grocery. >> shopping. fearing going. >> to their jobs, fearing going. >> to. >> to pray. >> in their. >> places of worship. >> you know. >> i grew up. >> with undocumented immigrants. >> i have. >> friends. >> a. >> friend whose mother. >> was deported when she was a little girl, and she was. >> left destitute with. >> her family members. i just don't think that's. >> the america that we want. targeting nonviolent immigrants. but again, this. >> is all. >> about the chaos. we've seen. >> two weeks of. >> chaos from the trump. >> administration. >> the executive. >> order on federal funding, sending. >> states reeling. >> him trying to defy the constitution on. >> birthright citizenship, the risks. >> that. >> we now have. >> to our. >> communities, to women. to folks. >> all across. >> this nation, because. >> donald trump is focused. >> on rolling back our. >> civil liberties. so this is just. >> one item. >> of many items that we. >> have to continue to engage.

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to push back at this time. >> i yeah. >> i definitely want to get. >> to that. >> governor. >> i will say i would. >> like to ask. >> the question. >> what are your constituents in dearborn, michigan, saying right now. >> that. >> we're talking about genocide, joe, and how. >> terrible joe. >> biden was for. the palestinians when he was fighting every. >> day to get. >> benjamin netanyahu to have. >> a cease fire and. >> get the. >> hostages released and. >> stop the fighting in gaza. >> every day. >> he was. >> fighting to try to. >> do. >> that. >> and yet he was being called. genocide joe. >> and, oh. >> he's going to lose voters in dearborn, michigan. i'm curious for those who decide to vote for donald trump. how are they feeling now that he's talking about clearing out. >> gaza of palestinians? >> all right. >> there's a lot of hurt. there's a lot. >> of concern and. >> fear. >> as there. >> has been for many. >> many months now. >> and they. >> didn't see this coming, did they not did they not see this coming when he talked. and he has people talking about the west bank like the biblically. >> the palestinians. >> have no right to the west bank. did they not see this coming? >> well, i think as mike

barnicle said a little bit ago, people are seeing. that what. >> he said. >> all along. >> is true. >> and he's executing exactly what he told the american. >> people. >> he was going to do. >> the fact of the matter is, though. >> we have. >> a diverse population. >> in michigan. >> it is. >> the greatest thing about my state are the people who call. >> it home. >> but it's never simple. >> and just like. >> saying you're going. to enforce immigration. >> law, just like saying you're going to. >> withhold federal grants. >> tariffs. >> it's not that simple. every one of these policies impacts the. american consumer. when you think about tariffs on mexico, that will increase the cost of your blueberries. when you think about. >> saying no. >> to canada, that means you're saying yes to china. it means. >> the cost. >> of american goods are going to go up. >> and energy. every one. >> of. >> these statements or. issues has. >> a ripple. >> effect on americans everywhere. >> but i do think we. continue to be very concerned about some of. >> the not just the rhetoric. >> but the. policies and. >> where we're going to be. >> headed as a country.

>> yeah. >> congressional democrats are criticizing president trump for not making good. >> on his. >> campaign promise. >> to lower the cost of food. in a letter to the president, the group of democrats write. >> quote, during. >> your campaign, you repeatedly promised you would lower food prices immediately if elected president. but during your first week in office, you have instead focused on mass deportations and pardoning. january 6th attackers, including those who assaulted capitol police officers. in response, the white house says trump, quote, has already ended the failed economic policies of the past four years that skyrocketed inflation. senate majority. minority leader. chuck schumer said this yesterday about trump's lack of action. >> the president. >> owes the american. >> people some answers. what is he going to do about the price of eggs? it's been. >> exacerbated by bird. >> flu, when hundreds of thousands and even millions.

>> of chickens die. >> they lay fewer eggs, and when. >> there are. >> fewer eggs, the. >> price goes up. >> so. >> president trump. >> what's your plan to. >> stop the. >> spread of bird flu? >> the more. >> bird. >> flu spreads. >> the higher egg prices. >> will go. >> and the less. >> money in. people's pockets for rent and gas and other expenses. >> this. >> in. >> addition to. >> illegal immigration. >> was central to donald trump's case, which. >> is costs are too high. it's joe biden's fault. i'll start to bring them down on day one. obviously, we haven't seen that because that's not how that works. presidents do not have the power to bring down inflation unilaterally. when you talk to your constituents in the state of michigan, i'm sure inflation is still top of the list of concerns. what else are you hearing in these early days of the trump administration? what are they worried about? >> well, i. >> think the. >> idle talk about what tariffs could look. >> like, right. lumping canada and mexico in. >> with china. >> it is. we've got to be very strategic here. i'm not. >> against all tariffs. >> but we've got. >> to be smart.

>> about how. >> do we level. >> the playing field. >> and not put. >> greater strain. >> on the american economy. >> you know auto. >> parts. >> go back. >> and forth. >> over the border. >> detroit has. >> the. >> largest international crossing. >> in. >> north america, period. >> and people. >> don't realize that. we always think about this. >> the southern. >> border. we work closely. with immigration. >> and federal agencies to make sure that it is safe and that it is predictable. but every time. >> you talk. >> about putting a tariff on something coming from canada, it means your heating. bill could go up. >> it means. >> the cost of an. >> automobile, it means auto jobs. >> this is the backbone. >> of our economy, not just in michigan but in our country. and it means. greater expense on the american consumer. >> and that's. >> why you can't just. use a sledge. >> hammer of tariffs. >> you've got. >> to be use a scalpel. you've got to be. really strategic. >> about how. >> do we make. >> sure. >> that the american economy. >> doesn't pay a. >> price on the american. >> consumer. >> doesn't get pummeled? >> governor, i'm. >> sure. >> you're familiar. >> with. >> the strain on. >> municipal budgets. >> in. >> michigan and everything like

that due to people who. >> are in. >> this country. >> illegally using. >> hospitals, emergency. >> rooms. >> schools, things like that. >> do you see. anything wrong with sending people. >> back to their country of. >> origin who. >> are here illegally now? >> people that you. >> need to have. >> a legal. >> process and people. need to. be here legally. >> and part of. >> the. work that. >> congress and the federal. government must. >> do is to ensure that. >> there is a way for. >> people to enter the country legally. >> we do need. >> to secure. >> the southern border. i've sent. >> the national guard. >> in michigan down. >> to help with surveillance. >> under both the biden administration and the trump administration. that's important, but we need to treat people with dignity. we need to recognize. >> that this is a country of immigrants. >> when you think about business, from agriculture to tech, we're all reliant. on having a system that works, and the system we. >> have. >> does not work. and just punishing people isn't fixing it. >> governor, as. >> democrats start to look forward. into this next. >> trump era. >> yes. >> there's going to be a. >> focus on the sort of kitchen table. issues that. >> we were. >> just talking about.

>> but for the millions who voted. >> for biden are. >> now looking for the pushback. >> and. >> the check. >> on the. >> trump administration. who would you say or where should they be looking? who's the leader of the democratic party right now? >> well. >> the thing. >> is. >> we have great. >> democratic governors all across. >> the country. >> every one of us is a leader in our states. is there one. person that. >> leads a whole party? >> no. maybe on the other side right now, but. >> there is not. we've got. >> a deep bench. i'm very proud to be among a great group of governors. >> and leaders across this country. we're going. >> to. >> be. >> hiring our new. >> dnc chair. >> we'll see how that goes. >> but any preferences? >> well. >> i've. endorsed ben. >> wikler. >> and i think, you know, this is a moment where we can't say everything we've ever done is wrong. we got to recreate everything from scratch. we got to learn the lessons. we got to listen to the people. and that's part of what i talk about, this really is how do we move forward? how do we stay optimistic and do the work and. >> win on. >> important issues? and that's. >> why i wanted to share this. it feels. >> very heavy right now. >> but i want. >> to make sure that.

>> people. understand important. >> fights are always worth waging. and the antidote. >> to apathy. >> is action. >> not putting your. >> head in the sand or. >> checking out. >> so, governor, we have michigan wolverine. >> jean robinson. >> standing by. he's got a. question for you. >> go blue. indeed. governor whitmer, i know it's only been a week, but as a as a governor of a of a major state and a democrat, have you had any sort of contact? is there a point of contact with. the new trump administration? have they reached out to you? have you reached out to them? how how do you see that relationship on a practical level going forward? >> i've done outreach. >> and i've chatted. >> with a. >> lot. >> of people. >> that are going to be part of the administration. >> i will. attend the national. governors association meeting next month. in dc. >> and go to the. >> dinner at the white house. a lot of republican governors boycotted when there. was a democrat in the white house. i'm not going to do that. i'm going to continue to.

>> show up and try to find common ground. the people of michigan. hired me, you. >> know, elected me with. big margins twice. >> and within two. >> years of both those elections, donald trump got elected. by michiganders as well. so my duty is to do everything i can for the state of michigan. and that means seeking collaboration wherever i can never means abandoning my values and standing my ground when i. >> need to. >> but the people of michigan expect me to do my job, and that's why i'm. >> stay. >> focused on interesting. >> see? >> no problem going face to face with. >> people you completely disagree with. >> i think you learn. >> when you do. i think it's important that you have. >> those conversations. >> and it. doesn't mean you you. >> shirk your job, your duties, or your swallow your values and not. >> live your values. >> it means. >> doing the work. and that's exactly what i'm going to do. okay, joe. jump in. >> well, i'm going to test you, governor. >> does that include cheering for. >> the chiefs. >> and the. >> super bowl. >> when we both. >> know the. >> detroit lions. >> should be there? >> we both know. >> putting her in. >> that the. >> lions.

>> no no. >> no no it's not. this is. >> very simple. >> you are in. >> you are. >> either for the lions or you are against the lions. is that correct, governor? >> you're either. >> for the lions or. >> you need some some help. >> exactly. okay, exactly. >> i want. >> to. >> hear about. >> gene robinson, though. they'll they'll. >> be back. >> i'm sorry. robinson. >> they will return. >> just like macarthur. >> going to. >> be okay. >> dan campbell. >> next. >> year. >> i shall return. >> i know they will be back. but there was a little football game and the lions didn't win that football game. therefore, they were not in the nfc championship game. >> so okay. >> what can you say. >> yeah yeah. >> good thing next year is. >> our year. >> is on the. >> bench. >> for this one. >> all right. tell us about this. >> version of your book which. >> i love. the focus. >> of it. it's for young. >> young adults. and why. so when i wrote true. >> gretch. >> one of the greatest. >> things was i. >> had. >> so many adults. >> coming. >> up to me. >> and. >> saying they were buying it for their kids. it's a quick

read, with real lessons from my young life that i've. >> used. >> as governor. these are muscles. >> you. >> can use throughout the course of. >> your life. >> and so we revamped it and included a q&a with my daughters at the end, and a lot more. >> younger content. >> for my to. >> address issues of our time. >> what what. >> young people are dealing with. >> i don't. >> pull punches. >> like there's some heavy stuff in here. i was sexually assaulted when i. >> was in. >> college and that story is in here. >> the fight. >> to. >> expand and protect abortion rights in michigan and the long fight and why you got to stay engaged. and then there are resources for people in the back of the book. if you've. got mental health crisis or sexual assaults or other ways for young people to get a path forward. >> the young adult edition of true grit lessons for anyone who wants to make a difference is out now. democratic governor of michigan gretchen whitmer, always good to see you. thank you for coming on the show this morning. >> up next, new york times bestselling author jared cohen talks to us about his recent book, life after power seven presidents and their search for

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>> done our best as americans. >> we never. >> never, never. >> give up. never. >> we're leaving office, but we're not. >> leaving the fight. >> that was joe biden last week in his first speech as an ex-president, delivered just hours after donald trump's second inauguration. biden has not laid out specific plans for his post-presidency, but has said that he wants to be involved with the. institutes bearing his name at the university of pennsylvania and, of course, the university of delaware. let's bring in new york times bestselling author jared cohen. he's the author of the book entitled life. after power seven presidents and their search for. >> purpose beyond. >> the white house. >> and it was released last year, but it's now out in paperback and kind of timely in terms of joe biden's departure. so welcome back to the show. good to have you. thank you. so talk a little bit about the purpose of this book. as we look

through the lens at what joe biden's. >> going to do. >> and you look at seven presidents, what did they have in common? >> anything. >> well, so. >> i started writing this book. >> because all of us are confronted with this elusive question of what do we do next all the time? and i thought it would be interesting to. answer that question by looking at the most dramatic transition in the world, president of the united states, where you. >> kind of fall. >> from the stratosphere. >> of political. >> power to. >> just. >> becoming an everyday citizen. >> i just didn't. >> expect it to. >> come out. >> at a time where it had. political relevance. >> right. >> it's always the. >> dream of an author. >> but here. we have. >> only. >> the. >> second time. >> in history. >> that a. >> us president. >> has come back for. >> a second nonconsecutive. >> presidency, grover. >> cleveland being the other. >> and he's one of the ones that i feature in the book as the comeback. >> yeah. >> and so. we just heard from joe biden. he's saying he's not leaving the fight. to talk about the presidents you do look at and how they were able to take it, transform their futures. >> so i. >> look. >> at seven presidents. >> what they all have in.

>> common is that after. >> achieving the pinnacle. >> of. >> power, they all found something. >> that gave. >> them. a greater. >> sense of. >> purpose than when they. >> came to the white house. so in. >> the case of thomas. >> jefferson. >> it was founding uva. he worried. >> that the republic. >> that. he co-founded was flawed. and if you didn't create a new university for the next generation, the republic wouldn't survive. john quincy adams. >> went on. >> to serve. >> nine terms in the. >> house of representatives. >> as an ex-president. >> we're in a much lower station. >> he found a much higher calling. >> and became a leader of the abolitionist movement. >> cleveland obviously made. >> a comeback. >> taft. >> who wanted. >> nothing more than to become chief justice of the supreme. >> court. >> unfortunately suffered the fate of his wife, his brothers and theodore roosevelt, his. >> mentor and friend. >> wanting him to be president of the united states. so he kept turning down the supreme court. in the last ten. >> years of his life, he achieved his dream, and at the end of life, he gets. >> asked, does. >> he remember being president? and he says, no, i. don't remember being president. i finally have. achieved my dream. so his story is kind of. >> a lesson that a. dream deferred. >> doesn't need. >> to be a dream denied. your

book, also topical because jimmy. carter is top of mind with his recent death and state funeral, where everyone was reminded about his extraordinary post-presidency, some historians argue it might have been more consequential than his presidency. so what do presidents that follow jimmy carter take from his experience and his example? >> yeah. >> so it's interesting. >> so, so. >> alexander hamilton in the federalist papers, you know, they were. >> debating what to do with ex-presidents. and he said, you know, does it benefit the republic to have, you know, half a dozen. >> men. >> you know, who were elevated to the presidency, wandering around the rest of us like discontented ghosts? i actually. >> think carter. >> answers hamilton's. >> question because he was. >> both a tremendous ally to his successors. >> and a. >> bipartisan nuisance to his successors. so he did amazing. >> things, like when george h.w. bush. >> sent him to panama to monitor the elections and stand up. >> to noriega. >> but he also did. very annoying things, like when he went to north korea in 1994 and bill clinton was surprised to hear him on cnn declaring that he'd, you know, sort of brokered a deal with the dear leader. >> first of all, i.

>> would love to be known as a. bipartisan nuisance. i think. >> that would. >> be an excellent moniker. >> but as. >> we think about biden's legacy, i'm wondering who of these presidents that you. >> profiled you think. >> he might have the most. >> in common with? especially because for biden. >> this is the culmination of 40 plus years in public life. and age is also a function to building a post-presidential legacy. >> well, this is unfortunately. >> for biden. he doesn't. >> have a ton. in common with these these post presidents, because the. post presidents that i wrote about had a lot of time after they left office. and obviously, we hope biden, you know, lives a. >> long and. >> prosperous life in the post-presidency. but because of his age. >> he's almost beginning the. >> post-presidency as a lame. duck ex-president. >> and that's something that we've had in history. >> we had it. >> with woodrow wilson. >> after his stroke. >> we had it with chester arthur. >> you know. >> who was not in. >> good health after he left. we had it with james polk, who was not in good health after after he left. >> and so it's. >> been a long time since we've had a post-presidency. >> where somebody. >> left office. >> really, you know, kind. of at an advanced age and certainly

never in their early 80s. this is an unprecedented moment. >> in the post-presidency. >> so there. >> are seven presidents you examine here. most of them we hadn't mentioned herbert hoover yet, but most of them have very active post-presidential lives still in some ways in public service, the exception being george w bush, who is still with us, of course, who seems very content to have nothing at all to do with with politics, except to show up to the occasional inauguration and make comments afterwards about how strange donald trump's speech was. >> yes, absolutely. so, so, so. >> i'm glad you mentioned herbert hoover, because one of the things i. >> tried to do. >> in this book is make herbert hoover great again. you know, for a man who's got a long. >> way to go, that's a. >> new hat for a. man who lived to be 90 years old, to be defined by four years. his 32 year post-presidency was one of the most extraordinary post presidencies in history. he regains his status as the great humanitarian. he regains his status as a great executive, reorganizing. >> the. >> executive branch and in his final. >> act of his post-presidency. >> jfk's father calls on him to broker a rapprochement between jfk and nixon to show the country healing in the midst of the cold war. but the reason i

focused on george w bush in the last chapter of the book, and i spent about eight hours on the record with him. if you look at the active post-presidency, at the time that i was writing, his was the only one whose popularity had gone up more than 50%, and he'd invested less in his legacy than anyone else. so i thought that was worth focusing on. i think some of it is his disciplined adherence to the washington principle of one president at a time, but he's also found a post-presidential voice through painting that allows him to elevate issues that he cares about without engaging in debates in the discourse in ways that undermine his successors. and out of all the post-presidency that i focus on, he's the only one that 100% of the time stays out of the fray. and that requires a level of discipline that no other ex-president other than him has had, and certainly not president trump during his interregnum. coming up, a look at the secret story of the world's greatest disrupter. and it's probably not who you're thinking of that's straight ahead on morning joe

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goal to invest up to $500 billion towards infrastructure in the us to advance artificial intelligence. son appeared with larry ellison and sam. >> altman. >> two tech leaders, perhaps with higher public profiles than masayoshi son but seemingly not more influence with the second trump administration, as son has been tapped to lead the stargate project. let's bring in former editor of the financial times, lionel barber. he's the author of the new book entitled gambling man the secret story of the world's greatest disrupter. masayoshi son. he'd know a thing or two about what's going on here, i. >> think so. >> little knows everything. everything he. knows everything. >> he knows. >> everybody. >> and he. >> tells a great story. >> we, you know. >> the line, we're going to need a bigger boat. >> yeah. >> we're going to need more than four hours. >> for lionel. >> good. >> that's what. >> happens if.

>> i. >> can't swim. >> exactly. so, so, lionel. >> for. >> for most americans, they don't know morse. they don't know who masa is. >> and yet. >> people in business. >> circles. >> you're you're next to steph. and she finds out who this is about. she goes, oh my god. explain it to viewers who masa is. >> he was the richest man in the world in february 2000, richer than warren buffett. bill gates, he's a media tech investor with a very high risk appetite. and if you think of this technological wave that's hit us over. >> the last. >> 40 years, he's he's been like forrest gump. he's been either close to or at the heart of the action, either trying to buy a company, big company like alibaba, buy a stake in it, make money all over the world, or buy a piece of it. and he's gone. he's gone bankrupt, or he's almost gone bankrupt. well, let's. talk about it. it's he's come back. >> it's an opening scene. your opening scene is right out of. >> a movie.

>> you have all. >> the financiers in japan coming to this, this wave to see him speak. he talks about how the future. >> is. >> is, is open. japan is going to be the new. >> silicon valley. >> he's the world's richest man. and three. >> weeks later. >> what happens? he loses up to 97% of his paper wealth. that can bust. absolutely at the height of the dotcom bubble. i mean, he is a bit of a p.t. barnum kind of character. he tells a great story. he makes big promises, talks big numbers, but he is at the same time somebody who's amazing comeback several times. and what you're seeing now around artificial intelligence is maybe his fifth and biggest comeback. so. >> so when i. >> read read the opening chapter and saw that happen, i said, well, that's the. >> end of. >> this book because in japan, the japanese culture does not. >> yield itself of the way. >> the american.

>> culture yields. it's you. >> go to silicon valley. they went bankrupt four times. >> fifth time i made $1 billion. right. >> but that's not. >> the way it is in japan. >> you explain why. he culturally, why this is he is a gambling man. he is not japanese, joe. >> he's an outsider. he's korean. japanese. his grandfather came in 1917 when korea was a colony. they were trained. >> and talk about how. >> badly they were treated. they were put in the coal mines. they were slave labor. they were treated appallingly during the war. and then after the war, they were in a shantytown which i visited. it's now a car park, by the way. but masa was born in 57, on the edge of that shantytown. but in a few years, actually, although he says he was born dirt poor, things were getting better. his father. but he's he's. >> still. >> though. >> talk about. >> the dream. >> the nightmare, the recurring nightmare he still has. >> well, he his father made money, initially as a

bootlegger, then as a pig breeder, and then as a loan shark, and then into pachinko slot machine gambling. but when he grew up, there were all these pigs around the tin shacks, and masa told me that he had recurrent nightmares of smelling the pig excrement in his nostrils. and he said, that was a great, actually, a motivation. >> it still. >> wakes him back up all these. >> years later. >> coming up, legendary oscar winning actor f murray abraham is our guest. morning joe weekend returns with that in a weekend returns with that in a moment. ♪♪ it's time to say, “not so fast, chronic kidney disease.” because with a progressive disease like ckd, slow is good. and believe me, i know all about slow. that's why i'm here to tell you about jardiance - it's a little pill... proven to slow the progression of ckd... and reduce the risk of kidney failure, which can lead to dialysis.

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>> yes it is. >> yes it is. >> that was just a glimpse at the iconic career of our next guest, f murray abraham. now, the academy award winning actor is taking to the stage. >> in his. >> latest project. >> with the. >> off-broadway show entitled beckett briefs. it's a collection of three short plays by the legendary irish writer samuel beckett and f murray. abraham joins. >> us now. >> he portrays the lead character in one of those plays entitled krapp's last tape, which we're going to get to. >> in just. >> a moment. but you were wearing the same sweater you. >> have worn on. >> your last morning joe appearances. >> i just. >> want to point. >> out definitely something my dad. >> would have done. >> so yeah. welcome back to the show. look. exactly the same. >> tell us. >> tell us about you. don't even speak for the first few minutes of your scene show. yeah. tell us about your character and what he's looking back on haunted by.

and how does he help review his life? >> listen, i'll tell you about. this play. this is becky's. >> favorite play that he wrote. yeah. >> and if you haven't seen any of beckett, this is. this is the evening to watch. because i'm on stage with some some really other wonderful actors. but it's also a great introduction to beckett. and if you do know beckett, this production is the one to see, because first of all, it's one of the best theaters in new york, the irish rep theater, but also their prices you can afford. i mean, these days it's so expensive. this is the play to see. i hate to tout it so much, but i have to. i love it. >> this is the. >> place to. >> do to do just that. >> so talk to us before we get into a little more into your role, tell us why beckett is so important. why does he speak. >> to you? >> well. >> beckett is one of. >> the. >> most. >> important writers. >> of. >> the 20th century. >> he helped. >> to. >> reshape the theater. and that's what an extraordinary

thing to say. but also. it's what. >> it does is let. >> you see. >> theater that you. just simply. >> don't experience. >> generally anywhere. it's real theater. >> it's. >> exciting and it's challenging and it's interesting. so it's not like the it's not predictable at all. >> so your. >> play, it's one man. >> yeah. >> you're playing an elderly man who's listening to old recordings of himself. talk to us about what drew you to that. and are there parallels for any actor who, of course, has a canon like this man, that you could also reflect upon? >> the trick. >> to acting on the stage, one of the tricks, is to keep a sense of privacy, and at the same time, you have to communicate. you have to hear you. they have to see you. so it's a real good trick. but in this play, what i am is like an audience listening to myself. a recording i made 30 years ago and i don't know. >> if, if you're of a certain age where you sometimes. >> you have regrets about things you did do or didn't do. maybe we i think we all do. >> of course.

>> but this man is like getting on, as am i. and there are many things i'd like to do again, i'd like to fix. i'd like to live it again. but the fact is, don't we. find ourselves making the same mistakes. over and over again? yes, and that's what this does. it examines the humanity of each of us. it's a. >> it's a it's a real challenge. >> and that's it for us this weekend. we're back tomorrow at 6 a.m. eastern. until then, enjoy the rest of your sunday. >> good morning. >> it is sunday, february 2nd. >> i'm alicia menendez with symone. sanders townsend and michael steele. breaking overnight. canada and mexico strike back america's closest trade partners retaliating after trump imposes. >> stiff tariffs. how it. >> impacts your. >>