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on friday. fbi acting director brian driscoll flat out refused to help the trump justice department fire agents who were involved in january. six cases. in fact, multiple fbi agents told nbc news that driscoll pushed back so strongly they thought he would be dismissed. one fbi agent put it this way. bottom line, doj came over and wanted to fire a bunch of j6 agents. driscoll is an absolute stud. held his ground and told white house proxy and doj to f off. and that's morning coffee. joining us now, national security attorney and co-founder of whistleblower aid, mark zaid. welcome, mark. >> thanks, michael. good to see everybody. >> mark, i just you know, yesterday we had on a number of attorneys, former prosecutors who worked on the january 6th investigations. and these were folks who had left the justice

department already prior to the trump administration. and we asked them what they thought about just what is happening at the justice department, what is happening to fbi agents. and they talked about the fact that people are being literally targeted for just doing their jobs and how, yes, folks should be stood up for. director brennan was also on and talked about, said that the acting fbi director should stand up. it seems to me that while he didn't put out a statement or go before cameras or anything, he is standing up for his people. do you think that's making a difference to folks, particularly people that you're working with? are there folks behind the scenes who are doing what they can to gird against what we can all, you know, imagine is coming for them? >> sure. i mean, they're trying, but it's just a stall tactic, quite frankly. you know, eventually these individuals themselves, like acting director driscoll, will be replaced and another loyalist will be placed into that role. and it is really obviously unfortunate. i know many of these prosecutors i

represented, you know, some of the capitol police officers, harry dunn, aquilino gonell, who's been on your show many times. both of them are my clients. so we worked with these prosecutors, and i have other cases, obviously, with them, and i now represent some of them. and these are individuals who are careerists, right? they're not republican prosecutors. they're not democratic prosecutors. they're just prosecutors. and many of them, because it was such an overwhelming number of cases, right. over 1500 indictments, they were pulled from multiple offices all around the country, sometimes just to handle 1 or 2 cases because of the workload. so this is decimating the u.s. attorney's office, certainly in d.c, the fbi office, as we will see on monday, where we're expecting another few dozen terminations. i mean, these are individuals that have spent 15, 20 years inside law enforcement through multiple administrations now being fired because they

dared to do one thing. they got assigned, not necessarily volunteered, assigned to work on a case that involved donald trump. >> and as you well know, mark, this is not just happening at doj. it's not just happening at fbi. it's happening all across the federal government. and you had some advice that you shared on x for what federal employees should be doing and how they should be thinking about this moment. you write before you are locked out of your systems. ensure you have copies of unclassified performance appraisals, awards and other relevant personnel docs. if you have access to your office, grab your more important personal items sooner rather than later. on the first part of this, write the unclassified performance appraisals awards other relevant personnel docs. why does that matter as they move forward? >> so look in good times when i'm handling cases the last 30 years when someone gets suspended and walked out, it has been a difficult task to get their own performance appraisals, which they need to,

you know, pursue applications to other agencies, maybe to outside the federal government. there are rumors and i stress rumors that some performance appraisals can even be retroactively amended in a negative way inside the system. we now see what's going on with elon musk's non-government employees going in and gaining access to federal government systems. so i'm not ruling out anything. so it is just a matter of being intelligent about it so that individuals can gain access to records that are entitled. they are entitled to them because it's theirs, but are very difficult to obtain often enough in good times. so grab them now while you can. and again, i have to stress nothing classified or sensitive people you know. don't. don't be foolish about that. we don't want to give a weapon to the agencies to fire you or prosecute you for doing something that you did

mistakenly. >> so. so, mark, according to nbc news, a longtime manager in the federal government said, quote, if you want a government to function, you wouldn't be attacking federal employees on a daily basis with psychological warfare. you want them to show up motivated. this is not the way to do it, but this is the way donald trump is going to do it and do more of it. i'm listening to what you're saying, and i noted yesterday when we had a couple of our federal prosecutors on the show, ashley akers, for example, talking about, you know, show up to work, don't quit, go in there and make them fire. you make them fire. go ahead, sit at your desk, order your latte. right. but make them drag your behind out of the building. what then? recourses do federal employees civil servants have? because it sounds like everybody's just kind of saying, oh, y'all, y'all got to go do this. you have no

recourse. you know? and that's not true, is it? >> yeah. no, look, there are options. it is a very personal choice for individuals to make. i worked with ashley on some of her prosecutions where i represented the capitol police officers, and i applaud the stand that she and her other colleagues are taking to speak out publicly. that is really helpful for those who are comfortable to stay inside as long as they can. and it is generally you have now two lines that they have created. either they are going to be fired outright, or they will be tasked to do something that crosses the ethical line for them, and they will quit. in the meantime, if they choose to stay. whistleblower aid, the organization i co-founded almost a decade ago, we provide pro bono for free representation to whistleblowers and anyone who is inside the federal government who can work with us to share information legally with us that

we can then use. as part of this, we welcome, you can just reach out to me or whistleblower aid. google it. easy to find. ultimately, we're up against an 800 ton gorilla, and there's not a lot to do in this. understand this is going to take some time. this might not get corrected until the next administration, whether that be a vance, a newsom or whatever, but there is the possibility of back pay. it could be, and i predict the federal government is probably going to be liable to the tune of millions and millions of dollars in back pay in a few years. so congress get ready because of the actions of what we're seeing now in this administration. >> on thursday, kash patel, who is again up to be the director of the fbi, donald trump's pick, he had a an exchange about political retribution. given a question from senator blumenthal. i want to play that for folks. >> if you can't commit that,

those fbi agents will be protected from political retribution. we can't accept you as fbi director. >> all fbi employees will be protected against political. >> they deserve. >> as we all know. then friday, those same individuals were dismissed unceremoniously, unceremoniously dismissed from their jobs. i raised this to say it's my understanding that there are people who are on kash patel so-called enemies list that are taking proactive measures to just gird against what could be coming for protection prior to him being confirmed. if he is confirmed, is that what can you tell us about that? what do you know? >> sure. i mean, i've been saying this. i think i've appeared on your show and network and others saying this since inauguration of taking steps that look, why? why is not anyone believing what they have been saying for the last four years that they were going to

retaliate? and they may say at their confirmation hearing that they won't, but they have said countless times before on record, live in books that they're going to. so no surprise here. people and folks are taking steps that i am still hearing of people who are leaving the country, quite frankly, or moving, you know, purchasing homes where they could do it in a trust. so their name isn't on it because of doxxing, because of swatting, frankly, both of which i've suffered as a result of simply doing my job as a lawyer, like i do in every presidential administration. others are trying to move funds away from retirement accounts in the government. many are just laying low. you know, unlike some of the brave souls who are coming on air to talk about their experiences and defend their colleagues. i'm not criticizing those who haven't been public. it is a very private, individual

choice that impacts your family. and, you know, look, you know, when you get swatted and swat team from your local police shows up at your house, that impacts everybody in the home. and you never know if some tragic accident can happen. so it is a dangerous time right now. but i will say there are a lot of lawyers in and around washington, d.c. and elsewhere who are moving up to the fight to provide free legal representation. i'm involved with many of them, top notch people, that these actions will not go either unnoticed, for sure, but they will not go unchallenged. >> mark zaid, thank you very much for your time today and your work. the wall street journal is calling it the dumbest trade war in history. yes, the wall street journal reaction to trump's steep tariffs on mexico, canada and china. next, you are watching the weekend.

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>> donald trump's tariffs against mexico, canada and china are already facing condemnation from right leaning groups. the u.s. chamber of commerce said, quote, the imposition of tariffs under the international emergency economic powers act is unprecedented and will only raise prices for american families and upend supply chains. the conservative wall street journal editorial board was even more blunt, calling it, quote, the dumbest trade war in history. sometimes the simplest word really captures the essence. >> it makes it. it makes it really drives the point home. the wall street journal went on to say the that mr. trump negotiated under the us-mexico-canada trade agreement that mr. trump negotiated and signed in his first term, the us willingness to ignore its treaty obligations, even with friends, won't make other countries eager to do deals. maybe mr. trump will claim victory and pull back if he wins some token concessions. but if a north american trade war persists, it will qualify as one of the dumbest in history. >> well, it's a little bit

amusing to me. you know all of this now. oh, it's the dumbest. he told you he was going to do it. he told. >> he did. >> so. >> but their response was, well, no one could be that stupid, right? >> no one could be that stupid. and then, of course, the wall street journal in its, you know, slap at kamala harris was like, well, if you elect kamala harris, you're just going to get barack obama. okay. did barack obama engage in a trade war? did obama barack obama had, you know, put put in place economic tariffs that will impact the american people? i think he kind of grew us out of an economic crisis. donald trump is creating one. so i don't know where the wall street journal i mean, now now they want to sit back and call the thing what everybody knew it was. anyway, there was a document, wall street journal, i don't know if you're familiar with it. it came out, it was about 900 pages. and in those 900 pages, i they had a little thing in there that talked about

exactly what's happening right now. >> but michael but michael, he distanced himself from project 2025. >> yeah. >> he had nothing. >> to do with it, anything about it. even though about 100 people, 100 people who worked on directly authoring project 2025 now work in the federal government, even though one of the main authors of project 2025 is on track to again be his omb director. this is this, this this is very specific. >> okay. >> very clear. >> we've talked about the tariffs and i want to and i do want to hear sort of if either of you thinks that it changes anything for republicans in congress. but i also want to make sure that we get to this story, which happened overnight. you have elon musk's team. this is from the new york times, now has access to the treasury payment system. treasury secretary scott benson gave representatives of the so-called department of government efficiency. that would be doj's access to the federal payment system late on friday, according to five people familiar with the change, handing elon musk and the team he is leading a powerful tool to monitor

potentially limit government spending. >> i had i just i just have one question, and this is the only thing i have to say about this level of stupid coming out of republicans right now in washington. imagine if at any point, if at any point, joe biden said to george soros here, i'm going to create a fake behind little agency, and i'm going to put you in charge of it. and in the course of your being in charge of this fake behind little agency, you will have access to everything out of the treasury department, and you can go into anybody's bank account, you can go into anybody's finances. you can go inside the economics of anybody's contract that do business with the. >> including his own, including his own business interests. >> his own right. i imagine what. this leadership would be saying. >> right. oh my goodness. it would be they would be calling a

constitutional crisis and like, oh, we must impeach the president. that's what they'd be doing. they'd be opening an impeachment inquiry over some how the hell things i can't say on tv. >> musk the keys to anything. >> this is why i will tell you career civil servants, they matter. because the career people at the treasury department, they fought this for a week. there was a standoff for a week because folks within the department of the treasury said we can. this is strange. i'm not about to let this happen. the main opposition to what elon musk is trying to do, they put him on leave, and then he all of a sudden retired on friday. and friday night is when they got access to the system. i don't know what this means, but i know it's not good. >> it's not good. and don't say we didn't warn you, all right? i don't want to hear that nonsense. turns out trump's agenda looks a lot like project 2025. i don't know who the hell or where y'all heard that before. probably here. we'll talk about it next with the new chair of the congressional black caucus, congresswoman yvette clarke. this is the weekend.

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government. so how are democrats planning to push back? well, democratic congresswoman yvette clarke of new york is here. she is the chair of the congressional black caucus. so let's ask her. >> congresswoman, good morning to you. good to see you. that question from symone, i mean, he told us who he was. obviously, there are folks who chose not to listen. he has already implemented a number of things gender hiring, foreign aid freezes, things cold, right, from project 2025. how then, do you fight back? >> well, the good thing about it is that democrats are prepared. >> we've been. >> studying project 2025. the manifesto that. was published, and we also serve on. >> every committee of jurisdiction. we have our ranking members. >> in subcommittees. >> and full committees. >> so we're prepared. we're prepared to. >> make sure. >> that we do everything. >> within our power to. >> push back, to offer alternatives, and. >> to. >> make sure that the american people. >> are educated and informed about how this will impact their

lives if it goes into full effect. >> congresswoman, i find it a little bit ironic to have this white house put out a statement at the beginning of black history month claiming it's interest in the cause and effort and progress of black people, but then telling its government not to talk about it, not to celebrate it, not to do anything to commemorate it. you have a great piece in the new york times by our friend david frenc, in his op ed on affirmative action for maga, noting trump's cure for dei isn't a true meritocracy, but rather affirmative action for the maga movement. providing preferences for populists might be a natural consequence of trump's political victory, but is not an improvement on the status quo. i noted in our last hour that dei is the new n-word today, the way it's being used by a lot of folks in maga space and in this

government. how do you see this assault on the telling of the story of african americans over 400 years? segregation, integration, ultimately advancements economically, all of these all of these storylines that do level up the meritocracy that they supposedly want, but they deem to be insufficient because it has a black face or a brown face attached to it. >> yeah. >> it's really. >> unfortunate because we know that diversity in every workplace has endured to the benefit of the united states of america, that we can speak to the world as a result of the diversity that we have in our nation. we need to maximize on all of the talent, the skill and the expertise that we have resident in every community. but we know that black communities

have been disadvantaged since the moment that slaves were brought to our shores. we fought battles and made it possible through the civil rights movement for us to gain access. or we're saying through the diversity, equity and inclusion is let us continue to maximize. let us make sure that in these spaces and places where we need the diversity of thought, of information, of expertise that is resident there. i don't know why folks are fearing this, because we live our lives this way each and every day. but the pushback, the retrenchment, the rolling back of civil rights, we will not we will not go back. and so i don't know what is motivating these folks in terms of their attack and assault. certainly the cbc stands ready to work with whomever wants to

advance the well-being, the economic well-being, the access to opportunities in our communities. but we are not going back. >> so, congresswoman, let's get specific here then, because i do think and in talking with a lot of folks across the country, they want to know what are the elected officials doing? and the congressional black caucus specifically. i know some months ago engaged in a project where you all were talking to the ceos and heads of corporations and doing an audit, if you will, looking under the hood to see what's going on with some of their equity initiatives. one, are we going to see the results of those audits? but two, have you all had recent conversations with any of these ceos? i'm thinking, like target, who have made announcements about rolling back policies, and then you've got folks like the ceo of lowe's who said, you know, look, we're going to just continue doing what we're doing. we are we feel like we're on the right path. >> yeah. we have a former

chairman, steven horsford, who actually is published the findings from our audit, if you will. we have a task force as well of members of the cbc who are circling back now. we are diving into that data. we are looking at the pronouncements that have been made by various corporations. and we are focused also on the federal enterprise and what's happening there, what's happening on college campuses across the board. these folks have made diversity, equity and inclusion their target for getting in the way of the advancement of people of color, of white women, of veterans, of aging americans, all of whom have benefited, benefited from the fact that we have diversity, equity and inclusion not only in the private sector but in the public sector, as well as on college campuses. we will be holding

folks accountable here. >> here's the problem, as you well know, is you're in on such an asymmetric playing field, right? everything they do is a crisis. they are currently trying to just absolutely flood the zone such that you have no choice but to play defense, which is ordinarily what a political party does in the minority when they're in the house. this feels different because it feels like you have a crisis of not only pushing back on all of the terrible things he is doing, from immigration to abortion rights, but also then having something else to sell the american people. what then becomes that something else? >> well, i think at the core of it, we know that economic opportunity is enjoyed and desired by everyone. and so our focus is how do we work with colleagues where we can to advance that opportunity? >> where is that? i mean, where really, if you're living in a world where you have the wall

street journal editorial board, you have the chamber all saying this guy's economic policies are absolutely bananas, but you don't have republicans in congress who are willing to echo that same sentiment. who are you left to conspire with? >> right, right. well, we have to we have to make it a point for the american people. at the end of the day, if their representatives are not representing their desires, they don't deserve to be representing them. and so education is important. getting truth to the people is very important. they've been consuming a whole bunch of propaganda for the past eight years, quite frankly, because of course, donald trump never conceded that he lost the race for presidency. so we've got to do a lot of reprograming counterprogramming and giving access to the folks of our communities to the truth. and the truth is that they're in the crosshairs right now, and we've got to do everything we can to

navigate them safely through through this process. >> congresswoman, we've got a little less than a minute left. but i do want to ask you about your reaction or what you think the congressional reaction should be to elon musk's team now having access to the treasury's payment system, giving him unfettered access over the financial information of contractors, employees, americans, citizens. your thoughts? >> well, no one elected elon musk. and at the end of the day, there are privileged information within our databases in the federal government. i hope that we'll be able to work with some of our legal friends to look at this very closely and examine whether, in fact, this is within the law. i don't believe it is, and if it is not, we need to make sure that we that we use every tool within our quiver,

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how much you can save. apocalypse. it dives into the life of oath keepers founder stewart rhodes, who was sentenced in may of 2023 to 18 years in prison for seditious conspiracy for plotting the violence ahead of the january 6th attack. donald trump commuted his sentence on his first day back in office. the film features estranged members of rhodes family, who have since become radicalized. here's rhodes son explaining why his own father went down this path. >> i'm oath keepers appeared. the u.s. had spent the last six years fighting wars, as many troops on the ground felt were unwinnable or unjustified. many of these ex-military guys said the same thing. the government had let them down and it could not be trusted. so stewart's calls to respect the oath spoke

loudly to them. >> joining us now is rhodes ex-wife, tasha adams. >> tasha, thank you so much for being with us. you know, you said before the election you feared for your safety. if your ex-husband were to receive a pardon, he is now out of prison. does this fear persist? what is life like for you now? >> well, i guess it's. it's like living life very carefully. but we were used to that for a really long time. you know, we lived in a lot of fear of his mood swings and his how he felt that day. and it's a little different now. of course, it's we're living far away and hopefully it stays that way, but. you know, it was such a such a difficult time period to see him finally put away and to work toward that and to look for this day of freedom where we

felt secure and safe again. and that was very short lived. >> miss adams, talk to us about what it was like for you and your son to be caught up in this world, this vortex of, you know, the oath keepers and the proud boys, the and the struggle for you to extricate yourself. you know, folks talk about being de-radicalized, but it's that's just a one off term. there's a process. there's a very personal journey that takes place there. talk about that environment and that that move away from it. >> i mean. >> you know, in some ways, at least for me, a lot of being in the movement was really more about, you know, we're in the house and this is what stewart's doing. and helping stewart with this makes him happy with us or what? you know, it's just it's our everyday life. it's all we

know. but at the same time, there really was a de-radicalization that i don't talk about a lot. and that is the people in that movement were the only people we were allowed to associate with. and so it it was sort of like leaving a cult. it was like leaving a tribe. it wasn't just walking away from, you know, a marriage and a life. it was also leaving behind every, every relationship we had. it was leaving behind a self-identity. it was a lot. and i actually was so focused on getting out of the marriage. i was sort of blindsided by the other side of it. but you know that, oh, we've lost. we don't even know a soul anymore. i mean, it was it was it was like a remaking, really. and some of it the mentally took years. >> you know, it's so interesting to hear you say that because i

think there are a lot of folks who are maybe watching this and who will watch the documentary tonight that just can't understand how people get caught up into a cult or a group like this. and it is it is really important, i think, to just drive home and underscore that our, our circles and our worlds are actually so small. and if, as you said, like you, you were like, this is what my husband is doing. so we're going to i'm going to i'm going to help my husband. you know, this is these are our friends that we associate with not understanding that you were being indoctrinated in the process. and then it was the breakup of your marriage that caused you to also come out and say, oh. >> yeah. and i you know, another thing i thought was really important and i'm really glad i think that the film does this is i wanted stewart rhodes to be seen as something other than a disney villain. i mean, he's got the black cowboy hat and the eye patch and it's it is the look. i mean, it looks like a bad guy

and like, well, why didn't you leave sooner? how did you how did you not know he was evil? look at him. but i wanted people. i mean, i just handed over boxes of film and memory cards that i had no idea what was on and just gave them to the film crew and said, you know, just just stuff i'd never even seen before. just look through it, because i wanted people to see what he looked like as a college student. and, you know, evil doesn't always present, you know, with a black eye patch and a cowboy hat. you know. >> you wrote a. >> piece for msnbc that is out today, and you write if there's one useful lesson i learned from 30 years with someone like stewart rhodes, it's that false promises and the smoke and mirrors, magic tricks to woo crowds are not something that can last. real change requires more than just an emotional surge. without substance, the fervor always ends eventually. and even the most skilled of flim flam men lose the faith of the crowd. when the house lights click back on. i suspect you are

not only talking about stewart rhodes in that piece. >> that is very true, and the similarities between stewart and donald trump were so obvious that this was actually a huge part of what helped radicalize my son was realizing, my god, that the patterns are the same. you know, people with this type of, you know, potentially personality disorder sort of behave in these same ways and they never really have, you know, they don't have truth on their side. and so there cannot be any substance to what they're saying. it's always just glitter and glitz and, you know, don't you feel good while i'm talking, you know, and that's all there is to it. >> yeah. >> let's listen a little bit to your son on on the extremist dad. >> we would play a game where we'd be trying to train in situational awareness. so he

would, like, step back and disappear while we were in a grocery store. and then. circle around and see if he could sneak up on me and then, like, lunge out from behind a shelf and scream, stab, stab, stab and pantomime and pantomime shanking me. and like everybody would like, look and be like, what the what the is that? >> that that says a lot. i mean that, that, that, that carried over into so much of the family's everyday life. so there really was no escape from it. >> yeah, there really wasn't. every day was i mean, even if you wanted to just do some idle activity, it you had to show that somehow it was it was useful to a form of violence. i

mean, that's just, you know, the kids that were allowed to, to do sports, but only if it was, you know, jiu jitsu or boxing or, you know, knife skills. i mean, that's really all they were allowed to do. and that was under heavy, heavy, heavy supervision from stewart being there, making sure the kids aren't, you know, getting to, you know, comfortable talking with a coach or any outsider influence whatsoever. but those were the only types of things we were allowed to do. and it was just every day. and it sounds crazy now to even hear it. but i mean, that's just that wasn't anywhere near the craziest type of thing that we did in, in that lifestyle. i mean, you know, he he was training my, you know, my seven year old to carry knives, i mean, and knew how to use them. and i mean, it was just insanity. it was insanity. and that's just how we lived. and it was just we were just so immersed in it. and everybody we had contact with was also so immersed in it that it was hard

to remember what reality looked like. but that's what a cult does. >> real quick, before we go to break your your top piece of advice for someone who has a loved one they fear needs to be de-radicalized. >> don't give up on them, you know. don't give up on them because people can come out of this. you know, sometimes just finding one little piece of common ground and, and showing it to them and, and personalizing the other side, you know, the, the other side of politics has been severely otherized to people on, on the other side. and just to see, just to humanize it somewhat, i think could be the real key and then just don't give up on them. >> tasha adams, i admire your bravery, your deep well of empathy. thank you so much for being with us on this program. >> thanks for having me. >> you can watch king of the apocalypse tonight, 9 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. we

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bay, alicia. apparently the conditions aren't even great. i'm like, have we ever done this before? and michael was like, no, baby, we haven't. you're not you're not confused. this is this is out of the ordinary. >> it it listen, it it struck me during noam's confirmation hearing. it strikes me again, in these last two weeks, dhs has very large purview, right? they are dealing with keeping the homeland safe. it is literally baked into the title. yes. a big piece of that is immigration. it is the us-mexico border. the us-mexico border is not the only border or way into this country. immigration is not the only, as they would put it, threat to this country. and part of my concern is that their hyper focus on one issue means that they are not actually looking at the full range of challenges and threats, right? there's a lot of attention on one thing and not on the other, michael. >> but to that point, elise,

that they're hyper focused on that one thing and they're not hyper focused well on it. they're not. there's their solution is to lock people up and create little concentration camps, sending sending citizens to guantanamo bay, where we kept terrorists. i mean, it's just and the fact that she's sitting there, well, that's not the plan. well, okay. but when it happens, it becomes the plan. and so, don't you know, this performative dress up, you know, fun and games with kristi noem has real consequences for people. and that's and that's the thing that we need to be made aware of, that this performative act has real consequences, as we've already begun to see at the fbi, in raids in new york, etc. >> yes. and to your point, with u.s. citizens who are getting swept up in these raids, just as we were afraid that they always. >> would stick around. folks, there's much more of the weekend after this. and coming up on

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media at the weekend msnbc velshi continues our coverage now. good morning ali. >> good morning. i was i was going to talk to you about how unoriginal that little groundhog is and like, just turn the damn groundhog around and then winter can end. but but then, alicia, you. >> said something. >> that really got my attention off the groundhog, which is actually hard to do, but. >> the dhs. >> this is a really, really important point. the i don't. >> even. >> think i don't think immigration should be under the dhs. i think most other countries immigration is a it's a separate matter. it's immigration, it's economics. it's right. it's own thing. and it requires its own expertise. and we have so confused immigration with danger and terrorism and all of this stuff that i'm really worried about. what exactly what you said, alicia. what the dhs isn't doing, what they're not concentrating on because we have become an immigration obsessed country. we should really be talking about immigration policy at a very sophisticated level. but we've just mixed it all up with, with with security. and it's