what they're calling diversity, equity and inclusion. you saw the rolling back of executive order 11246, which which outlawed discrimination in hiring in the federal government and its contractors. you saw the purging of anything having to do with diversity. you saw mandates that they cannot actually acknowledge the juneteenth or black history month. so he has come out of the gate with a racial agenda, not an economic agenda. so i think all we have to do is look at what he's done, and there's an understanding that you can actually divide people from each other who have a common economic concern by dividing them and wedging them by race. and that's what we've seen. so if people really want to say this election was about economics, look at your price of eggs. look at the fact that prescription drug prices are not getting cheaper. look at what he has done since he came into office. and we see that it has been a racial agenda. it has not

been an economic one. >> nicole, thank you for that. it's a big discussion. you and i, obviously, as we've been doing for years, will continue to have it. and i just want to again say the boston globe article that i was quoting was mdb connolly i, we sort of blended the two with nicole's thesis about about the second nadir and where we are, but i just want to make sure the viewers understand that's that's our error on our side. nicole, good to see you as always. nikole hannah-jones is a pulitzer prize winning reporter and creator of the 1619 project. another hour of velshi begins right now. good morning. it is sunday, february the 2nd. i'm ali velshi. for two and a half centuries, america has prized its reputation as a global superpower, as the standard bearer for democracy, military might and economic power. but 13 days into the second trump administration, the velocity with which that reputation is evaporating around the world is

alarming. america's credibility is at stake. president donald trump is ushering in an era of american leadership that is simply unserious. now, that's not to say that the consequences of his actions are not deadly serious. it's to say that america is not behaving like a serious country, and that has been on display throughout the confirmation process for trump's cabinet. the people who will lead the most powerful agencies in the country. and with that, the most powerful agencies in the world. much has already been said about their qualifications or their mind boggling lack thereof. but there is something to be said about the overall bizarre nature of some of these cabinet picks. it's the kind of stuff that would disqualify you from being the secretary of your local horticultural club, let alone some of the most influential positions in the country. there's pete hegseth, the former fox news personality and army national guard veteran who has been confirmed as secretary of defense despite a parade of controversies. let's start small. he says one thing

once admitted on live television that he hasn't washed his hands in ten years. that's a weird flex, but okay. on a more serious note, haig says hegseth has been accused of drinking on the job. ten current and former fox employees told nbc news that hegseth drank in ways that concerned his coworkers. some said on some occasions they would smell alcohol on his breath before he went on air. a trump transition official denied those allegations during his confirmation hearing. he would not answer a yes or no question on whether he would resign as defense secretary if he were found to be drinking on the job, and there has been much concern about his apparent treatment of women. in 2017, he was accused of sexual assault. he was never charged and says the encounter was consensual. consensual. he also says he was exonerated by the police who investigated the case. but exoneration is the official declaration of innocence after a legal process that didn't happen here. moving on to former south dakota governor kristi noem, who's been confirmed as secretary of the department of homeland security when she was governor of south

dakota, she was actually banned from setting foot in about 12% of the very state which she governed. last may, all nine native american tribes in south dakota agreed to banish noem from the tribal land after she made disparaging remarks about native american parents and pushed claims that tribal leaders were profiting off of drug cartels. at least one tribe lifted noem's ban ahead of her confirmation hearings. it's unclear if the other eight tribes plan to do the same. the irony of the secretary of homeland security barred from stepping foot on the american homeland. noem also made headlines late last year when trump was reportedly considering her for vice president. right around the time she was auditioning for the role, she released a memoir, and in it, she does a little oversharing, revealing that she once shot and killed the family dog, cricket, because the dog was untrainable and had an aggressive personality. cricket was a 14 month old puppy, and yes, she voluntarily disclosed this. you shouldn't shoot your dog, but if

you do on purpose, you probably shouldn't tell a lot of people about it. noem tried to reframe the narrative, by the way, saying her willingness to kill her own rambunctious puppy proves something serious about her that she can make tough decisions. needless to say, that didn't quite land. believe it or not, noem is not the only cabinet pick who has a weird dead animal story. enter robert f kennedy jr. rfk jr is up for the role of health and human services secretary. it's never quite clear where to start with him. there are, in fact, a couple of animal stories. do you want the dead bear in central park story or the brain eating worm story? last year, rfk jr revealed that back in 2010, doctors found what they believed to be a parasitic dead worm in his brain. doctors told him the worm likely, quote, got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then died. end quote. also, maybe a story i wouldn't spread too widely. another voluntary admission from last year had to do with a cold case in new york's central park. ten years ago, the carcass of a bear cub

was dumped in the park. it left police and the city stumped. how to get there? a decade later, rfk jr fessed up. in a video posted on x. he explained that when he was driving upstate, when a car in front of him hit the bear. rfk then took the bear. the dead bear, and put it in his van, with plans to save the meat in his refrigerator. well, things get busy. one thing led to another. rfk got held up from getting home, somehow ended up in manhattan with this whole extra dead bear in his car. so he dumped the bear in central park. one last story about rfk jr. recently, his cousin caroline kennedy wrote a letter to the senate labeling rfk as a predator. in the long, scathing letter she writes, quote, he enjoyed showing off how he put baby chickens and mice in a blender to feed his hawks. it was often a perverse scene of despair and violence, end quote. by the way, i haven't actually touched on the stuff that rfk could do that would actually jeopardize lives because he still still appears to be a vaccine skeptic. the list of bizarre grievances against

trump's cabinet choices goes on. there's kash patel, the fbi pick who wants to dismantle the fbi. or tulsi gabbard, the pick for director of national intelligence who's defended some of our biggest foreign adversaries and thinks the us and nato might be to blame for russia's invasion of ukraine. these are the people who are likely going to represent the united states on the world stage for the next four years. i mean, if this were written as an episode of veep or the office, the producers would turn it down for being too unbelievable. and like i said, there are actual concerns beside a lack of hygiene and a brain worm about these candidates and their fitness for their roles. concerns of the life and death variety that we've covered extensively on this show. but it doesn't matter, because despite the mountain of evidence that these nominees are not remotely qualified for their jobs, most have already been confirmed or are on their way to being confirmed. what does matter is how the world views america. from the outside looking in, we are becoming more of a laughing stock by the hour. it makes you

wonder how our allies, or more crucially, our enemies, can possibly take this administration seriously. and if the other world leaders aren't laughing, they might be crying or screaming. worried about what another america first trump presidency could bring. last year, before trump was reelected, jackie calmes with the los angeles times wrote, quote, they don't respect trump at all, though they do fear him the way you would fear a mad man at a nuclear button. president nixon sought leverage by making foreign counterparts think he was unstable. trump actually is unstable. foreign diplomats and some leaders don't even mask their anxiety. end quote. as a trusted global partner, all you have is your reputation, and it starts right at the top. joining me now, ravi agarwal, editor in chief of foreign policy and the host of fp live, and mehdi hassan, an award winning journalist and ceo and editor in chief of the tale. gentlemen, good to see you both this morning. mehdi, let's start about this. i don't know what's a bigger concern, the fear that

our allies have, including canada and mexico now, where we started a trade war or the danger that our enemies see us as as as weak and disorderly and disorganized. >> not just. >> our enemies. ali. and that's. the problem. good morning to. >> you, by the way. it's not just our enemies, right? if it was just our. >> enemies. >> it'd be like, okay. >> who cares about your enemies and your adversaries let you play your madman strategy? it's the idea of jeopardizing alliances, right? the us is its alliances, the us abroad. the strength of it comes from its reputation, from its ability to persuade and get other people to come along with it. picking a fight with your allies. i mean, i was the guy, ali, as you know, who was warning about. look, trump is not a dove. if he comes back into office, we're at risk of greater conflict. are they going to have a war with iran? he's put a bunch of hawks in his cabinet, like hegseth and rubio. i didn't know i'd be the guy going on television like i am now, saying, hey, i'm worried about a war with denmark. i'm worried a war with panama. i want a war with canada. i mean, the eu. you think i'm joking?

the eu military chief. just for your viewers to be aware of this, the european union's military chief said about a week ago. maybe we should put eu troops on greenland for the russians. no. for us, for the americans. that's insane. right? and you said allies canada sacrificed 165 people in afghanistan to fight alongside the us after nine over 11. you're picking fights with canada and mexico. this is a great moment for china, the country that trump thinks is the big enemy. and he's going to crack down. if i'm the chinese. i'm loving this moment. i'm calling up the colombians where he just picked a 24 hour trade war. i'm calling up all these countries in latin america and asia and africa and saying, can you really trust the united states? >> yeah, no. and that's this is this is an important point to get to ravi, because there is opportunity for other people. if you always thought america was the solid ally, if you didn't doubt that your treaty, i mean, the usmca, the treaty between canada and mexico and canada followed the followed nafta, which followed the free trade agreement between canada and the us, which followed the auto pact. this is decades in the making. hard won allies and alliances and trade negotiations. if that's not worth the paper, it's written on, what exactly is.

>> i mean, this is not a new world order. >> this is a. new world disorder. >> trump is basically. >> blowing up. >> the last 80. >> years of the rules. >> based international system. >> you can. argue that much of it wasn't working for a lot of countries, but this response to absolutely tear it apart is a whole other deal. i mean, media just referred to american allies to the likes of canada, mexico, colombia, all of the eu. they really must be thinking now with a friend like america who needs enemies. and you know, it's worth remembering the only time nato's article five has been invoked was to defend the united states after nine over 11. but if you think of the world as divided into camps, you've got the allies, you've got the disruptors, for example, russia, iran, north korea. i mean, they're looking at this moment and saying trump is doing exactly what we need him to do. he's disrupting the very system that made america strong. but there are two other camps i'd like to mention very quickly. there's the opportunistic referred to that india, saudi arabia, many countries in the global south. they see a lot of opportunities that they can

cherry pick in a in a quid pro quo world. ali, the thing i worry about the most is this fourth category of countries, smaller countries. if you're sri lanka, somalia, chad good luck. i mean the old system worked, flawed as it was, because it was a rising tide that tried to lift all boats. if you blow up that system, which is what trade and globalization and supply chains all over the world are built around, the biggest losers are the smallest countries. and it really seems that america first doesn't care about that. >> this is an interesting point, because i think ravi points out, there are a lot of things about the 80 year old world order that we're in, that we're not perfect, that we're not that didn't work, that were not entirely fair and worthy of discussion and somewhat and some degree of disruption. but that doesn't feel like what donald trump is doing. donald trump doesn't feel like i'm coming in to be a reformer, to actually improve on some of these things that are broken. it feels like it's really just breaking the china itself. and part of this is our, our position on, on foreign aid. that seems to be i

don't even know what it is right now. some foreign aid seems to be frozen. there's some websites that are not working. i don't even know where we are in the world of foreign aid at the moment. >> so a couple of things. one is on the burn it down, you're 100% right. and that applies at home and abroad. right? there are people who voted for trump at home because they legitimately did not like the system in washington, d.c. they thought, we have a corrupt political order. he'll burn it down. as you say, though, he's not a builder. he's a guy who just continues to chaos. same abroad. a lot of us were very unhappy with the biden administration's middle east policies. i just came back from the gulf, where they all think trump is going to be better than biden, because biden was so bad on palestine and the rules based order. but of course, we know he won't be better. he's actually saying, let's clean out gaza. he wants to make things worse. he does destroy things, not build things, despite pretending to be a builder on the aid front. i'm so glad you raised that, ali. i hope the viewers at home understand what is going on right now. we are in a massive, massive crisis. humanitarian crisis which trump has inflicted, a man made crisis. he

just flicked a switch and said no more aid overnight and overnight. ali, in places like sudan soup kitchen shut down in ukraine, people lost fuel and electricity. in thailand, they turned away myanmar war refugees from hospitals in cambodia, they shut down a anti-malarial program people are talking about. propublica did a very good investigation, pointing out that around 130,000 children in africa may now be at risk of hiv being born with hiv because their mothers have been cut off from hiv drugs. under george w bush's pepfar program. that's all been shuttered by marco rubio and donald trump. it should be one of the biggest stories in america, if not the world. people are going to die because of what donald trump and musk and rubio have been doing in recent weeks. and also, if you don't have any moral concerns for these people dying again, to go back to ravi's point, your point, what does it say for america's reputation in the world? one of the few good things we have on the international stage was our foreign aid program. >> in fact, i heard from a canadian official, ravi, who said, if this moves forward, whatever happens, whatever comes of what looks like a renegotiation of our trade agreements with with mexico and canada, whether you think it will be better or worse, it has done such irreparable damage to

some of the deepest relationships that that the world understood existed. when he makes the point canadians, when america goes to war, canadians go to war with them to help. this has done irreparable damage. that may be generational. >> absolutely. i mean, look, and it was one thing in the trump in the first term where many could argue this is a blip, america will sort of somehow correct itself, but this time it really doesn't feel that way. i mean, other leaders around the world, they really get the sense that this is the new american normal. this is what american people want again. and there's a sense that there's a sort of drunkenness over hard power and the way in which it can be wielded and used and deployed around the world, maybe in the short term to help american interests or however you define american interests. but what about soft power? and i think to throw the baby out with the bathwater in terms of whether it's aid, in terms of whether it's, you know, america's human rights record, flawed as it is, we can all agree with that. but at least the intention was often

to try and do better. the rhetoric around democracy promotion, again, incredibly flawed as it was misused in many ways. think of the iraq war, but again, aspiring to do something better. when you throw all of that away, it's the question what do you stand for other than an exertion of hard power? and then look at it this way if you ever are in trouble, who stands up for you? what rules still remain and exist that could defend you, that could create a system that you could fall back on all of that much as though trump supporters in this current moment may be celebrating some of his moves, may be looking at how colombia was forced to capitulate and may see that as a victory. but longer term, when those receipts come in, they could be costly. >> guys, thanks very much for this conversation. ravi agarwal is editor in chief of foreign policy. mehdi hassan is the ceo and editor in chief of zetao. all right. still ahead on velshi. president trump has followed through on his threat to impose wide reaching tariffs on three of america's largest

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>> all right. welcome to donald trump's trade war. yesterday, the president made good on his promise to levy steep new tariffs against not just china, but canada and mexico as well. and today, all three of them are hitting back. per the tariffs trump made official last night, imported goods from mexico will

incur a 25% tariff on most goods from canada will now get a 25% tariff, with the exception of energy products, which will receive a 10% tariff. and then imports from china will get hit with a 10% tariff that starts tuesday. just for some context, there are already some tariffs on on china. as expected, all three countries have already hit back with retaliatory measures. and if you want to get a sense of how much pain they can cause, american companies consider that in 2024, these three countries together accounted for more than 40% of total u.s. goods imports. mexican president claudia sheinbaum has now not issued specific guidelines for new tariffs against the united states, but she did hit back against trump's claims about the flow of fentanyl and immigrants, which he's using to justify his own tariffs. quote, we categorically reject the white house slander that the mexican government has alliances with criminal organizations, as well as any intention of meddling in our territory. end quote. the foreign minister of china put out a response late last night

saying, quote, china firmly deplores and opposes this move and will take necessary countermeasures to defend its legitimate rights and interests. end quote. and last night, justin trudeau, the prime minister of canada, laid out specific details of his country's response. tonight. >> i am announcing canada will be responding to the us trade. >> action with. >> 25% tariffs. >> against $155 billion. >> worth of american goods. like the american tariffs. our response. >> will also. >> be far. >> reaching and include everyday. >> items such. >> as american. >> beer. wine and bourbon, fruits and fruit juices. >> including orange. >> juice. along with vegetables, perfume, clothing and shoes. it will include major consumer products like household appliances, furniture and sports equipment, and materials like lumber and plastics, along with much, much more.

>> for more on the potential impact of trump's tariffs, i'm joined now by lori ann larocco. she's a global supply chain reporter for cnbc. she's the author of trade war containers don't lie. navigating the bluster. lori ann, good to see you. thank you for being with us. we just you've probably seen this the eu, which is not involved in this particular trade war, has put out a preemptive warning to say if you abrogate an actual treaty or an actual relationship with us, we will respond firmly. so absent from trump's talk about tariffs and trade war is the idea that when you have trade relationships with people and you abrogate them, they will fight back. they will do things that will hurt you. >> they will most definitely ally. i mean, and what they're responding. >> to is what trump warned back at davos. now when it comes to president trump, he does. >> what he says. and so if he throws out the threat that if you don't make your product in america, we will tariff you. and that was a direct. shot to the eu. so i am really. >> not surprised. >> but this is a very far

reaching. and for the viewership out. >> there, this pales. >> in comparison to the entire four. >> years of. >> the last administration. >> in terms of the size and scope. >> of these tariffs that are about to be levied. >> yeah. well, trudeau talking about $155 billion worth of goods. that's almost half of what we what we export to canada. maybe it's about half. so this is big. the premier of ontario has said not just tariffs, but as of tomorrow morning there will not be american liquor and alcohol available for sale in ontario. so the problem, of course, is that it's twofold. one is goods will become more expensive. but the second one is industries in america may get hurt. and last time we did this, we had to subsidize soybean farmers to the rate of about $28 billion that comes out of our taxpayer dollars. so it could be a double whammy. it could be inflationary and costly from a tax perspective. >> and it could also cost jobs. iean, when. >> you. >> look at like when we're

talking like beer and liquor, it goes beyond anheuser-busch or diageo. you're looking at the american distillers, the winemakers, the manufacturers, the trucking companies that actually move the product into the country. they're not going to be moving that product. truckers get paid based on what they move. so this is more than just the stated obvious of like the sector trade takes people. and more importantly, when you go to the supermarket, american consumers are going to have one heck of a sticker shock. >> one of the other things i want to point out is that canada and mexico are a little different from each other, but it constitutes a massive trading bloc. but they're very different from china. the reasons for wanting to do these things, because we always hear people saying, you know, terrorists can be useful. they can be a very useful tool in certain areas to protect certain industries or to moderate behavior on the part of other countries or increase human rights protections. but canada and mexico and china are not in the same bucket. china needs to be thought of separately and differently than than canada and mexico do.

>> most definitely. when you look at canada, mexico and the united states, our supply chains are intertwined. when it comes from the automotive automobiles to the food, the foods that we eat, everything goes cross-border. we're we're legit trading partners. whereas like you point out, china is a one and done right. they make their product and they send it over here. so this type of trade relationship is very special for the united states economy. >> lori-ann good to see you. thank you for joining us. lori ann larocco is a global supply chain reporter for cnbc. she's the author of the book trade war containers don't lie navigating the bluster. you're watching velshi. we'll be right back. >> this is proof. >> literacy, and it puts an end to litter box stink to sprinkle a few. tablespoons onto clean litter for a dry and stink free litter box. >> look. >> this is about the same amount of kiwi most cats make in a month, but just a few

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bill that should have been covered by insurance. cfpb research finds that when medical debt was removed from credit reports, affected consumers saw an average credit score increase of 20 points. and by the way, that means you pay less interest on your credit cards or less interest for your car loan, or less interest for something else that you're trying to borrow for. it's worth noting that just days before his firing, chopra announced that the cfpb is seeking public comment on credit card interest rates, a move that could have set the stage for new regulations. donald trump, if you recall, campaigned on capping credit card rates at 10%. chopra's initiative could have forced trump to act on that promise. and chopra made that clear in his parting words to trump, writing quote, we have also analyzed your promising proposal on capping credit card interest rates, and we see a path for enacting meaningful reform. i hope that the cfpb will continue to be a pillar of restoring and advancing economic liberty in america. end quote.

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>> all right, before the break, i told you about the tenure of rohit chopra, the former director of the consumer financial protection bureau. i say former because yesterday donald trump fired him following mounting pressure from wall street. for more on what this is going to mean for american consumers, i'm joined by richard cordray, who was the cfpb's very first director from its inception from 2012 to 2017. richard, great to see you. thank you for being with us. lots to talk about about cfpb. but one of the points i want to make first is that you in your term and rohit in his term, you're not meant to be somebody who gets fired by a president and matches a presidential term. this is actually meant to be a position that is outside of and protected from partizan politics, which is some of the controversy about it. right? so why some a lot of republicans have always wanted to get rid of the cfpb or the people who run it. >> yeah, that was. originally the case. >> although the supreme court

issued a decision that overturned that modified the statute so that the cfpb director could be removed at the pleasure of the president. i was threatened by that during president trump's first term. and as you see, director chopra was was cut down yesterday by donald trump in his second term. >> can you just tell me? i mean, i think we listed some of the basic things, but i recall after the cfpb came into force, things like mortgages. right. but going to get a mortgage, you have to sign a stack of paper pages like this, but they have to tell you in clear form. now over the course of this mortgage, if you paid the minimum monthly payment, this is how much you will pay in total. this is what your interest will be. basic things that that led to the financial collapse in 2008 2009. cfpb in many cases does work that we all thought should have been done in the first place. but it's kind of what most americans would say good governance is about. >> yeah, actually, the cfpb is based on a ton of common sense,

frankly. and when you talk about the mortgage market, that's a great example because the mortgage market was so complicated, so fouled up, so broken, that it helped bring down the entire financial system in the united states in 2009, 2010, we put reforms in place that have been solid and have been enduring ever since. the mortgage market has been the better for it. the mortgage industry has said time and again, these are bedrock rules that we now accept. we see the value in them, and it has actually made our industry stronger. and that can be true across the board. good, sensible baseline regulation that doesn't go too far, but that protects consumers and makes sure they're treated fairly, gives consumers confidence, gives good businesses confidence and builds for the long term. >> so there's a good point, right. if consumers are better informed about their mortgages and clearer about the whole thing, the bank doesn't deal with people who didn't pay, who can't pay and have to repossess homes and end up owning homes. that's an example of something

that that feels common sense and industry came to accept. yet even under your tenure and under rohit's tenure, wall street routinely accuses the cfpb of regulatory overreach. talk to me about that. is that just because we accuse everybody of regulatory overreach these days, we're just kind of in an anti-regulatory environment? or is there something specific about the cfpb that attracts that kind of ire? >> well, i do think that for financial firms, you know, they they have a lot of business practices that need careful review by them themselves in the first instance and by a regulator in the second instance. let's talk about the war on so-called war on junk fees that director chopra was fighting. what are we talking about with junk fees? you know, we used to have a quaint old phrase called being complaining about being nickeled and dimed on this or that. well, it's not nickels and dimes anymore. it's $4 here. it's $8 there. it adds up to real money. people are annoyed by it. they're surprised by it, their finances are damaged by it. and a rule was

put in place to try to curb junk fees. and that's the kind of thing we have to be concerned that the new trump administration may want to roll back. it's actually very beneficial to consumers, and we will see what happens with it in the new regime. >> all right, richard, we're going to have a lot of opportunity to talk about this. you and i haven't talked in a while, so i'm offering you an open invitation here. i think we're going to we're going to have to discuss the things that the consumer protections that, that we need. richard cordray is the former director, the first director of the consumer financial protection bureau. still ahead, president trump has lifted longtime restrictions on where ice officials can enter and conduct arrests. now, immigration raids can happen in the middle of a sunday church service after receiving treatment at a health care facility or at your child's school. i'll speak to randi weingarten, president of the american federation of teachers. >> this is. >> it, right? >> yeah. >> that looks safe. >> totally safe. >> breathe. >> first timer. >> let's pause for.

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>> in donald trump's first term as president, his immigration policy was so unfathomably evil that the journalist adam serwer coined a phrase to explain it to the country and the world. in blunt terms, the cruelty is the point. and it was. it was a necessary framing for a strategy of deliberately taking children, including babies, away from their parents, in order to deter immigrants fleeing violence, poverty or political persecution from coming to america. that's what trump's zero tolerance policy, better known as family separation, was. as the policy was rolled out, we learned in real time what it meant. kids in cages, in massive, windowless warehouses, as nbc's jacob soboroff called them, essentially incarcerated. more than 5000 children were forcibly separated from their parents, with no set process for ever reuniting them. the youngest child taken was four months old.

even those who were reunited with their parents were deeply traumatized, according to a 2021 study, several children suffered symptoms of ptsd more than a year after being reunited with their parents. worse yet, more than 1300 children are still separated from their parents, according to a december report by human rights watch. an april 2020 report from the government's family reunification task force had a similar number, but the government is no longer working on reunifying these children with their parents. on his first day in office, trump dissolved the family reunification task force shortly after donald trump's department of homeland security issued a new directive. now, sensitive locations like schools and churches, where federal immigration authorities had been prevented from making arrests. arrests are sensitive, no longer agents, according to the federal government, will now be able to conduct arrests on these grounds. it should come as no surprise that the move is causing panic and fear, because

that's exactly what it's designed to do, because the cruelty is still the point. across the country, these fears are stopping many parents from sending their children to school altogether, even those who are american citizens by birthright and with good reason. in some of their first immigration enforcement raids, officers have detained and questioned american citizens, including native americans. according to the center for migrant studies, nearly 5 million households are of mixed status, meaning some members are documented and some are not. it's also worth noting that, whether documented or not, children still have a legal right to an education according to federal law, and the removal of sensitive location protections also asks teachers and faith leaders a difficult question what will you do when immigration authorities come to your school or your house of worship? now that they are explicitly, lawfully allowed to do so across the country, major school districts in denver, philadelphia, salt lake city, san diego and more are assuring teachers and students alike that they will keep undocumented

students safe from arrest on school grounds. chicago's and denver school districts are now requiring warrants for ice agents to even access their campuses. tomas lobato a bilingual speech bilingual special education preschool teacher in chicago, told the american federation of teachers that parents at his schools say they are disenrolling their american born children and returning to their home countries because they are afraid that they will be separated. that's a very understandable fear. melanie claros, an esl teacher in south florida, told the aft that more than two dozen of her students have asked her about stricter immigration enforcement, and that one of her students has stopped showing up to school. here in new york city, a middle aged a middle school teacher in brooklyn told news site am new york that migrant students attendance has dropped and that many, especially especially those in english as a second language, esl programs are afraid to come to school, teachers in cincinnati told the cincinnati enquirer that they've seen a drop in attendance from their immigration students, from

their immigrant students since donald trump's inauguration. more than 1 in 10 students in the district are english language learners. rachel rachel van hall, who teaches esl in the city, said that a school set at a school board meeting this week. quote, families and parents are writing me saying they don't want to send their children to school, end quote, and a multilingual coordinator at an elementary school in southern delaware told the local npr station that, quote, students are telling us that they're afraid that their parents are going to be taken. they're scared. you can see it, and i don't know how to get them to focus on learning. when these poor babies are just so worried about what's going to happen to them. end quote. let's talk about what we do about this. joining me now, randi weingarten. she's the president of the american federation of teachers. i mean, randi, my, my, my mom used to write my name all over my clothes. it was all i could do to just not lose my gloves and coat. kids don't carry immigration papers with them. they certainly can't answer questions about their parents immigration status. so if i understand the solution, i understand people who are keeping their kids from going to school. it can't be good under

any circumstances to do that. >> so first, thank you for the intro that you just did because you captured what's going on in schools across america, not just the big urban schools that people talk that that we had members talk to you and talk to others from. but all across america. public and private. so i want to say this as clearly as i can to every parent in america right now, the school educators in the united states are going to do everything we. can to protect our children, period. we did that during covid. we do that. god forbid, when there is gunshots in schools we do that in whether we want schools to be safe and welcoming places. so there's two things that we have done thus far. number one, as soon as president trump lifted the safe, sensitive areas

directive, which has been long standing policy that you don't have ice agents go into schools, churches or hospitals, we wrote him, pleaded with him. i am not beyond pleading. >> right. >> do not do that. and we're going to go to congress and we're going to fight. and we already have a campaign to fight to try to rescind that rescission, because schools need to be safe and welcoming places. number two, we are teaching our members all throughout the country and parents what to do. there are some places that have it in their collective bargaining contract, like chicago. there are some places like new york where we used to have a policy that said very clearly, you need a judicial warrant, and people are asking mayor adams to keep that policy in place. so but essentially we need a if ice is going to come into a school, there needs to be a judicial warrant. and let me say why. >> in the same way.

>> that in. >> the. >> same way you would come in if you thought you had a murder suspect. >> because think about it as schools, because. >> this is this. is fearing native parents. >> and kids and immigrant. >> parents and kids. >> think about. what it means if in. >> a. >> school. >> all of a sudden a kid is taken. >> by these people with. >> guns. what the scare, the fear. >> for all parents, for all kids is profound, right? >> but if. >> you're a school teacher, if you're a school administrator, you are in loco parentis. we have an obligation to our kids during the day. >> so we're not just. >> giving a. kid to somebody else. and so that's what we are teaching people, and that is who teachers are. and frankly, if anybody in this administration is listening, you were elected to try and make life better for people. don't make it worse. and so that's why the teachers, even though most teachers are not political, what this is doing is

politicizing teaching and learning by taking kids away. so that's why i end where i started. we are protecting our kids and ultimately there needs to be a judicial warrant. and if you're in a school for any teachers who are listening, if you're in a school that this happens, you got to call the principal immediately. the principal has to call the superintendent unless there is a judicial warrant. >> you have. >> no idea. >> who these people could be. they could be terrorists. >> they could. >> be. >> somebody else. >> we need to see a judicial warrant. >> well, who enforces that? because when federal agents show up, who's got a who's got the power in the school? are we looking for our security officers to be. >> the ones? >> that's really why the superintendent has to be the one who has the power in schools. and look, you know, i don't i superintendents get there in charge. so it has to be the superintendent, it has to be the principal. and, you know, one can be nice and polite about it, but how do you just give kids

over to somebody with a gun that says that they have a us tag on them? you have to have a protocol and procedure. but what we have seen, what we have said, even with this order lifted, which was really for i mean, can you imagine a hospital, somebody just ripping somebody off a ventilator? i mean, this is about fear. this administration, i thought, was elected to try to make america great again, make america better, help people lift their standards of living, not create fear for regular folks across the country, particularly our children. >> maybe. and i don't want to compare it to book banning. they're both really bad, but maybe this is a thing that will animate people who did want their price of eggs to be lower. but to say, i didn't sign up for this, we don't want to see. we don't want kids separated from their parents anywhere in the world, including. >> in america. exactly right.

and look, just like how many times i mean, i feel like it's deja vu with all the culture wars, but how many times do we basically say on this on your show? no, we're going to give out books instead of banned books. and obviously parents have a right to make decisions about what kids read. but we're trying to spark the love of learning. we don't want fear in schools. and this order creates fear in schools. how does that help kids learn? >> that's generational to undo. randy, thank you for the work you're doing. we'll continue to have this conversation. randi weingarten is the president of the american federation of teachers. all right. before i go, i want to make a quick clarification about a segment we did earlier in the show about the great nadir, the racist backlash to the reconstruction era after the civil war and the end of slavery, and the argument that we are experiencing a second nadir now, a backlash to racial progress. in that segment, i spoke with nikole hannah-jones, and i read from a boston review article by this man, nb connolly, who's a history professor at johns hopkins university, and i inadvertently attributed some of the passages from this man from

from connolly to nikole hannah-jones. we did correct it at the time, but that was our error. i am going to post a link to his article. this our second nadir on all my social media accounts, and we're grateful to him for writing such a thoughtful article. that does it for me. thank you for watching. catch me back here every saturday and sunday morning from 10 a.m. to noon eastern, and follow me on threads, blue sky, linkedin, and mastodon where i post daily inside with jen psaki begins right now. >> okay everyone, i'm just going to acknowledge from the outset here that there is a lot of stuff happening right now that may feel confusing, scary, like you have a lot of questions. i mean, donald trump's plans to essentially unravel the federal government and basically gut our law enforcement agencies that's unfolding before our eyes. a federal funding freeze earlier this week shook