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>> donald trump triggers a tariff war with america's closest allies in minutes. i'll talk to the. canadian ambassador. to the. >> u.s. to ask how. >> they view what's going on. >> and whether there's a chance it won't happen. it's the day's big story. good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. we begin with the breaking news. president trump launching a trade war with america's closest neighbors. trump slapped 25% tariffs on most products coming from mexico and canada, and a 10% tariff on items from china. here's new reaction from democrats. >> i think we might want to call this the donald trump super bowl tax, with the big game coming next week. if you, you know, avocados, tomatoes, beer from mexico, prices are going to go up during the trump first term when president trump put tariffs on canada and the eu and mexico. what happened? it was a tax on

virginia consumers. prices went up. and then when those nations retaliated, they retaliated against critical virginia industry. >> canada responded with its own 25% tariffs, against $155 billion worth of american goods, including alcohol, furniture and orange juice. here's some new reaction from vice president j.d. vance. >> the problem. >> with this whole. >> idea that they're going. >> to retaliate. >> is they have already been taking advantage of. america for decades. the retaliation. >> is donald trump saying no. >> more breaking news on the trump administration's purge of lawyers and agents who worked on the january 6th cases at the justice department and fbi. a new nbc news report says a senior fbi official resisted firing so forcefully that some feared he would be dismissed. here's new reaction from senator lindsey graham. >> i'm looking. >> forward to. >> some of these. people

finding. >> a new job. now, if you're an agent. >> working on. >> january 6th case. >> or some other. >> case, and. >> you were assigned to. >> do it, and you know, you shouldn't. >> be punished. >> just for. >> doing your job. >> this idea of keeping everybody in place in the. government after trump won. >> the election. >> is insane. >> former federal prosecutor ashley akers, who worked on january 6th cases, will be joining me later on this hour. also breaking this hour, the senate finance committee says it will vote tuesday on the nomination of robert f kennedy jr for secretary of health and human services. but democrats remain skeptical. >> he believes. continues to. believe that autism is caused by vaccines, despite the fact that there have been a dozen studies over the years which disprove. that when he has other conspiracy theories, when he cannot acknowledge that if you're going to make america healthy, you got to guarantee health care to all people. >> a new video released by

president trump on social media purports to show military airstrikes there that he says ordered against a senior isis attack planner in somalia. so we've got a team of reporters in place ready to go over all these new and developing story lines for us. we're going to begin with nbc news white house correspondent yamiche alcindor, who is with the president in west palm beach, florida. yamiche, welcome to you. we are going to get to the tariffs in just a moment. but there's really big news reporting on the purges at the fbi. can you share what the latest is? >> that's right. where the latest is that a senior official at the fbi was resisting even more firings happening at the bureau and pushed back pretty forcefully to the point where people thought he might be dismissed. the other thing is that we're hearing from legal experts who say some of these firings could be illegal, though the trump white house is saying that really the president can fire anyone. in the executive branch. and we should remind people what we're talking about. at least eight senior executives, the most senior executives at the fbi, have been

let go and forced out by the trump administration. we also know multiple heads of the fbi. field offices have also been let go. and more than two dozen federal prosecutors who worked on january 6th related cases, they've also been fired. there's also this investigation going. >> on. >> now that we're told of fbi agents. thousands of them that worked on january 6th cases. so there's a lot of fear and panic there. i should also tell you, alex, just in the last few hours, really the last few minutes here, i talked to some union leaders who say employees at the department of education and the department of energy, they've been put on paid leave. these are people who did not work on diversity, equity and inclusion, but are really being ensnared. these union leaders tell me on this attack would die. so there are a lot of people who are very worried that they may be fired, even though they only went to some diversity trainings that, by the way, were during the first trump administration. so these are people who were encouraged by betsy devos, trump's former education secretary, to go to some of these diversity trainings. now they're being told that they need to be on

paid leave. alex. >> yeah. >> that. >> is absolutely extraordinary. let me ask you a sense of the immediate fallout from trump's order yesterday to hit canada and mexico. china with tariffs that starts on tuesday. i'm going to get into details in just a moment with christine romans. but but just give me a sense of the immediate fallout. >> well, listen, the backlash here has come fast and furious. you already have both canada and mexico saying that they're going to implement their own tariffs. we also have heard from the canadian prime minister, justin trudeau. here's what he said directly to the american people. take a listen. >> this is a choice that yes, will harm canadians, but beyond that, it will have real consequences for you, the american people. as i have consistently said, tariffs against canada will put your jobs at risk, potentially shutting down american auto assembly plants and other manufacturing facilities. they will raise costs for you,

including food at the grocery store and gas at the pump. >> now, president trump, who campaigned on lowering costs for americans, he's telling people to brace for prices to go up. he posted online saying, make your product in the us and there are no tariffs. will there be some pain? yes, maybe and maybe not. but we will make america great again and it will be all worth the price that must be paid. alex. >> okay. yamiche alcindor, thank you very much for that conversation. as promised, everyone joining me here in the studio. now for more on these tariffs and their potential impact, is nbc news senior business correspondent christine romans. so let's go further into what donald trump posted this morning. here's what he said. quote, we have unlimited energy, should make our own cars and have more lumber than we can ever use. give me a sense of the reality here on this. and the us imports significant amounts, certainly from these partners, but how difficult would it be? i mean, i'm just thinking logistically the practicality for american companies to start

picking up the. >> north american market. >> is. >> incredibly intertwined. and in fact, when you look at auto production, it's so intertwined with some tariff free exports into and out of the united states that was written by donald trump and his trade team in the first administration. so now he's thrown that out and saying, essentially suspending the rules that he wrote for how these cars can be made. and now we're going to try to do something else. we're going to put tariffs on all these things. so some of these estimates for the car production in particular, up to $3,000 extra for the price of a car. but you look at food, you look at energy. the us does import a great deal of canadian crude into this country. it's refined. and the refineries in the us are geared exactly for that canadian crude. and that goes into american cars as gasoline and driving all over the country here, especially in the midwest and parts of the northeast. so right away you have just this retooling that's going to have to happen. it will be disruptive in the short term, and it will raise prices in the short term. almost everyone except for the trump administration believes. >> so i'm curious where it's

going to hit americans the most. i remember reading that something as simple as an oil change parts of an oil filter. maybe it's a $5,060 deal. now it's going to go up to maybe over $100. >> yeah. and there are people who are all along sort of the parts assembly line in the us that are very concerned about what this is going to mean for them. but let's talk about food, for example, frozen french fries. for whatever reason, 81% of america's frozen french fries come from canada. so now you're talking about how long will it take to retool to have that domestically made in the united states? maple sirup. avocados. kidney beans. tequila. smartphones from china. in the first administration, there were their trump administration. there were tariffs on things from china, but there were exemptions. donald trump entertained ceos. and then if he was impressed, he would give an exemption for those products. at this point, everything looks like it's across the board except for oil from canada, which will be taxed at 10% instead of 25%. but now what happens next? how long does it take for the consumer to feel these these higher prices? i

will say one thing washing machines is a good example. in the first trump administration, he put taxes on washing machines from mexico, i believe, and washing machine prices for domestic and imported washing machines all went up. so prices went up. when you put tariffs and any place in the supply chain. >> given what you know about this industry, though, last quick question. when donald trump says i want everything to be manufactured in the united states. now, that's the goal here, along with trying to curb fentanyl coming in and the illegal immigration, the issues that he's tacking on to this, if that can't happen at the drop of a hat. >> no, it can't. and there are some countries that do some things better than other countries. the us has really focused on what it is really good at, which is which is services, health care services, tech services and some other manufacturing. by the way, there has been a real reshoring of chip production of important national security parts of the manufacturing sector. that happened because of covid. it happened also because of the

inflation reduction act and big infrastructure spending under the biden administration. so there already is reshoring that is starting to happen. but almost everyone agrees when you when you when you leave globalization and you focus on localization, that means higher prices. we pay higher wages in this country. we have better standards for the environment and for labor. that costs more than where it's where it is elsewhere in the world. >> we're going to have more questions for you. couple hours. don't stray too far, my friend. thank you, christine romans for that. joining. right now we have the canadian ambassador to the united states, kirsten hillman. ambassador, welcome. thank you. on this very important day, there's a lot of questions. i need you to help us understand what is happening here, because canadian officials, they've been in talks with the trump administration. and yet these tariffs are set to take effect on tuesday. first of all, can i even ask if there's a status of negotiations. are there negotiations underway? well. >> what we. >> have been. >> doing and thank you very. >> much for having me.

>> what we have. >> been doing since. >> december. >> since the. >> president. >> even before the. >> president took office and was expressing. >> concerns around. >> the. >> northern border. >> illegal migration and fentanyl. >> we have. >> been in. >> discussions with his. >> team on that. >> and just to. put this. into context. >> obviously. >> these are important issues. they're important to canada, they're important to the united states. but canada is not a source of fentanyl into the us, less than half a percent of what the fentanyl that has been seized in the us has come from canada. and less than a percent of the people who come into into the united states illegally come from the northern border. so it's a very small issue. that being said, important. and as i say, border security is important on both sides of the border. we only want people in our country who have the legal right to be there as well. and we certainly don't want drug trafficking into our country. so we have been in discussion with the trump team since december about the president's concerns,

and we acted on those concerns. we have invested 1.3 billion cad, which is about 1 billion usd in buying new equipment, getting new infrastructure, new technology for the border, and then new partnerships with with the us and with the trump administration to root out organized crime and fentanyl. and we're already seeing results we had since about three months ago. four months ago, we've had an 89% drop in irregular illegal migration from canada to the united states. and remember, again, it's a 99% drop from less than 1% of your total flows. so lots success, lots of results already, lots of new partnerships that have already started. had a really good, important exchange with tom homan, the border czar on friday, and senior members of his team walking through plans that we can do together. we've got a canadian team and a team

from the white house going to china to talk to them about precursors, to really get at that problem. so in that sense, i don't know if i'd call those negotiations, because really it's more of a collaboration. but that's been ongoing for a while now. >> you mentioned december was the start. do you know if the president either prior to his inauguration two weeks ago now or since, has been involved directly in the talks? >> my. well, so the president has talked to our prime minister about this, and my understanding is that he has been briefed on it. that's what i've been told on the plan and on on the results that have already been achieved. >> okay. and yet the tariffs go into effect on tuesday. let me mention what j.d. vance, our vice president, posted just a short time ago. here's the quote. spare me the sob story about how canada is our best friend. i love canada and have many canadian friends, but is the government meeting their nato target for military spending? are they stopping the flow of drugs into our country?

i'm sick of being taken advantage of. you've just very eloquently shared the stats about particularly drugs coming into the country from canada and the less than 1% in terms of fentanyl crossing your border into ours. but your reaction to this, and what is the united states telling you it would take to stop the tariffs from going into effect on tuesday? is there a chance that would happen? >> i mean, we're being told that these tariffs are being put into place because of the border, because of fentanyl and because of irregular illegal migration. and as i say, we have we have really leaned into that. we have expended a lot of money to put more boots on the ground, to buy more equipment, to enhance our partnership with u.s. law enforcement and border enforcement. and we have asked, what more would you like us to do? is there more that you need? is there something missing here? and, you know, there's nothing that has come back as a as an

additional ask. so we're focusing on what is being asked in relation to this specific action. and as i say, we i feel that we have have done a lot where we think that we're obviously demonstrating results already in terms of the concern that the president has raised. but if there's more, let's talk about it. but to date, there hasn't been more that's been put on the table in this in this particular, you know, on this particular topic. >> and yet that quote that i read to you from our vice president, how do you interpret the tone of that? there are a couple of others that are similar in tone that i'm looking at. >> i don't know, i mean, i think that those are questions for them. i think that what i can say is that we are coming at this discussion with a full spirit of openness and willingness to collaborate and discuss any concern or issue or request that comes from the

trump administration. but we need to have a conversation about that. that is. organized, right. the conversation around the border was was fairly clear. what they were hoping for was clear. and we responded, if there are other things that are of interest, they haven't been articulated to us formally. so i guess we'll have to wait and see if they are. >> do you know what the president means when he says that the us is subsidizing canada to the tune of $200 billion? >> you know, i'm afraid i can't answer that question. canada and the united states have a vast trading relationship. we have almost $1 trillion trading relationship that trading relationship is complementary. so you sell us more manufactured products than we sell to you. you have a manufacturing surplus with canada, a services surplus with canada, equipment, you

know, vehicles, all this sort of thing. we buy more from you than we sell to you. but in terms of energy, a third of what we sell into the united states are energy products. and those energy products, quite frankly, if you talk to our oil producing regions of the country, they feel they're selling them at a very fair, if not discounted rate, because we don't have a lot of infrastructure or geography to sell them to anyone else. and that and that product fuels your businesses, fuels your refineries, and keeps energy prices low for american consumers and american businesses. so i think that if you talk to our energy sector, i think they might feel that if there's any country that is getting a bargain in this situation, it is probably the united states. but that being said, i'm happy to try and understand a little bit more what the president is talking about. our deficit, our trade deficit in goods with the united states is $64 billion. in other

words, we sell $64 billion more of goods to you than you sell to us. and that is entirely because of energy. and if you add services to that, it's about half the amount. and if you take energy out, you have a massive trade surplus with us. so it's i don't really know where the numbers come from, and i'm not sure where the 200 comes from. >> president trump has included a retaliation clause promising further action. if any country retaliates with higher tariffs. does this threat concern the canadians? >> you know, something that was really apparent yesterday and continues to be very apparent today, is that canadians across the country, all levels of our government are determined to respond to what canadians feel are unfair actions based on the actions that we have taken and are willing to take to address

the concern that the president has expressed. they feel that this is this doesn't make a lot of sense. we have just renegotiated the usmca under the past, under the trump administration in their first administration. that deal brings us to zero tariffs, essentially 99% tariff free between our two countries. and so i think canadians feel like, well, wait a minute. those are the rules that apply between our two countries. and if the rules are not going to are going to be set aside, then we're going to have to react. so i just i don't think canadians would accept their government. and it's clear from the reaction over the last less than 24 hours, they won't accept the government not standing up and being strong in the face of, i think, what they feel are tariffs coming in in relation to an area of concern that we have worked very, very hard to address.

>> which brings me to my last question to you, ambassador. what has been the reaction in canada to trump calling for canada to become the 51st state of the united states? >> well. >> look, i'll be honest, i think that canadians. we i think we take it as a bit of ribbing, a bit of joking. some people find the joke funny, some don't. but canadians are very proud. we're just as proud of our country and of being canadian as americans are of their country and being americans. so i think that pretty much every canadian is interested in keeping it that way. >> you should be very proud. canada is a great country and i love visiting canadian ambassador to the united states, kristen hillman. thank you so much for your time with us. >> thanks for having me. >> fbi, doj, dea, omb. it is an eye chart of government agencies and programs donald trump is trying to plunder. at what cost? though? the political panel

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your thoughts first, your reaction, don. >> i heard the. >> interview and i was listening to it and i was like, gosh, this person is so smart, so knowledgeable, so in tune with actual u.s. canadian trade policy, which is extraordinarily important for so many materials and goods and services that affect each one of our actual lives. the problem is that this administration knows nothing about what she's talking about, and they're simply not talking facts. this is a wwe administration. they're talking red meat. yeah. tariffs tax. it has nothing to do with real facts which the ambassador clearly did. and it's just so fundamentally demonstrative of the two sides of the debate right now. not even. >> liberals. >> but just sensible people who know how to run good government are talking facts and reasonability to the american folks. and trump is throwing out red meat. and it doesn't make much sense, but it seems like there's got to be some happy medium to explain to people in a very real sense way, what's happening. because trump's policies are so far off, the canadian ambassador is so spot on, and that's not what our administration is telling the

american people. and so there's such a big disconnect here. but i would suggest that people defer to the authorities, like the ambassador who you just had on who was so right about why these tariffs are so damaging and destructive to the american political economy. >> give me your sense, susan, on ambassador hillman and what she said. >> she should. >> be the ambassador of the year. she handled her question so well because what we've learned now from the ambassador is that trump and any request the. >> trump administration has. >> made of canada, they believe they've answered, especially when it comes to the border. so, i mean, she was very careful and very tactful in how she said, i don't know what else they want. and it seems to me that's actually a situation. that most people find themselves in. she could just speak to speaker mike johnson, who goes through that on an everyday basis. but more importantly, it shows to me that this is just an issue that trump wanted to put out there. he said, i'll put tariffs on canada. so he's putting tariffs

on canada not to exact a particular something in return for those. and that's what's particularly interesting. but it will be interesting to see how far canada goes when it comes to energy, because energy prices is something that trump and our economy pays a lot of attention to. oh yeah, 100%. david, do you think the ambassador had any way to be anything but diplomatic about all of this? does canada have any way to deal with this? but being diplomatic, the threats of tariffs and the like from donald trump and the administration? >> well, i. >> think canada has to recognize the economic interest of their nation and leave domestic politics in the united states to our nation. and i think that's the grace you heard from the ambassador. but, alex, i think this could be if this goes into effect on tuesday, welcome to a trade war and remarkably, a trade war with our allies, our allies. welcome to a trade war with our allies and our partners in trade. and as susan kind of

alluded to, this is something that's not about an economic strategy. this is not about growing domestic manufacturing in the in a certain space. so now you're seeing donald trump start to allude to that. this is about extracting non-economic concessions around drugs and the border. but as you heard the ambassador rightly point out, fentanyl is what, one one half of 1% of what the us sees. and so they're even when they try to wrap this around non-economic reasons, the facts fall flat as well. this is i think as don said, this is donald trump kind of beating his chest without a theory. you know, when you move trade policy in a certain direction, it takes a very sober economic strategy to do that. we saw that in the 90s, moving from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. you don't do it overnight. it takes a decade. that's not this trump administration. >> and listen, i'm going to reiterate what the ambassador said regarding fentanyl and that small amount to one family that is dealing with fentanyl, destroying their family, hurting their loved ones. it's too much. but yet in the totality. i'm so

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off. >> at ro covid day. >> back with breaking news. new reporting on donald trump waging war against his own government. nbc news reports. the senior fbi official forcefully resisted trump administration firings. the hit list includes eight senior fbi executives and several heads of field offices, and at least two dozen prosecutors and thousands of fbi agents who investigated the

january 6th attack. >> if you. >> are suddenly taking out the most experienced folks at justice or at the fbi. >> how does that make us stronger? and what he's. >> saying is every fbi agent that somehow touched the january 6th. >> investigation, that was a comprehensive investigation. >> i've been told there were almost half of all the fbi agents at least had some involvement. >> joining me now, ashley akers, former federal prosecutor who worked on the january 6th cases. ashley is now being singled out for investigation by the acting u.s. attorney in dc for speaking out after her resignation. ashley, thank you for being here. i know the circumstances under which certainly have to cause you duress. but before we get to the new doj potentially coming after you, nbc reports acting fbi director brian driscoll pushed back so forcefully that some officials feared he would be dismissed. give me a sense of what you're hearing from former friends and colleagues about the showdowns that are taking place right now,

and the fact that it is all about the january 6th rioters. is that confirmed? is that what this is about? >> thank you. the reports from the inside do. >> suggest that. >> there's been a concerted attempt to go after the agents. >> and other. >> law enforcement. >> officials and. >> prosecutors who worked in any way. >> on the january 6th prosecutions. >> and so, mr. driscoll's pushback here. >> and my. >> assessment is very admirable. it's courageous. >> these law enforcement. >> officials and attorneys should. >> have the process that the law. provides them. and what's being seen right now from the trump administration is sort of a subversion of that due process. >> so the white house press secretary was asked about the firings of two dozen federal prosecutors. let's listen together to her response. >> so it. >> is the belief of this white house and the. >> white. >> house counsel's office. >> that the. president was. >> within his. >> executive authority.

>> to. >> do that. >> he is the executive of the executive. >> branch, and therefore, he has the. >> power. >> to fire anyone. >> within the executive. branch that he. >> wishes to. did he. >> personally direct. >> this. >> given they worked. >> on the classified documents. >> investigation and the election interference investigation? >> this was a memo. >> that went out. >> by the presidential. >> personnel office. and the president is. >> the leader of this white house. so, yes. >> are these firings legal? >> i think. >> that's to be seen. there certainly. >> was a lack of process. >> this happened last week in an email attachment that was sent to career employees. and what was what the email focused on was not any just cause for what these attorneys did. it decided their perpetuation of what the president called the national injustice of the prosecution of the january 6th riot, and what i think is important for the american people to keep in mind is these are prosecutors who were duty bound to support and

defend the constitution, who prosecuted and proudly people who violently assaulted law enforcement, who destroyed government property and who hunted our elected legislative branch inside the united states capitol on january 6th. these people did nothing wrong. and this is a clear act of political retribution. >> and i'm going to presume that you will include yourself in that group, because bloomberg is reporting on an email that was sent to staff by trump's appointee as acting u.s. attorney in d.c, in which it quotes him using your name. he added that he will be reaching out to her and we'll see if we can help her. referring to you, he also said that he wanted to ensure the office had her records and emails. again. yours. has he reached out to you? has anyone from doj? >> he has not reached out to me. it's unsurprising that he hasn't. i think that was an email that was written maybe in

a time of fury, because there are people speaking out against what i've called a frivolous project aimed at the attempt of making the january 6th prosecutors look bad. he can read all my emails. he can read all of our documents. i would note that the prosecution against the capitol rioters started under the trump administration on january 7th, 2021. we started this investigation and have been prosecuting these individuals under rubrics and guidance that were issued under that administration. so for the acting u.s. attorney in d.c. to now come after career doj employees, it's a bit shameful in my assessment. >> ashley, can you give us a sense of some of these people who've been pardoned? anyone that you may have worked on yourself, a case, you know, prosecuting one of them or any of your close colleagues, things that you've learned that raise big flags for you by them now being out of jail and pardoned

by president trump. >> these are people who in many cases felt compelled to make it into the capitol building and to stop the peaceful transition of power. and what stands out to me is that these people on that date stopped at nothing. they didn't care if there were armed police officers in front of them. they didn't care if there were barricades. they didn't care if the doors were locked. they did everything in their power to break through police lines, to break through barricades, through windows. they assaulted these officers with all sorts of weapons. and they were doing that because they wanted to stop the peaceful transition of power. how dangerous it is that the president of the united states issued a blanket pardon against these individuals, who would do anything they could to stop the democratic process. and i've said before, and i'll say it again, the president's blanket pardon of these violent individuals is an endorsement of

their conduct. he is not only supporting and endorsing and condoning them, but in his rhetoric. he's celebrating them. and i think the american people should be concerned that these thousands of people who stopped at nothing to stop the democratic process are now being supported and celebrated by the president of the united states. >> i want to ask you about the concept of mob mentality. when it came to your research and your investigations into the prosecutions, to what extent, if you can break it down, were people coming to the capitol with the intention of doing harm and had prepared for doing harm, whether violently or otherwise, versus those that had gone to the rally, got caught up in it, made the walk to the capitol, and then behaved in such a manner. and i ask this because we have heard some people, a few that have been pardoned, who say we really regret what we did. we've come out of this mob

mentality coma that we were in that day. how do you see a breakdown there? >> it would be difficult to say a percentage, for example. but in my experience, there were certainly people who were caught up in a mob mentality. and that mob mentality started at the stop the steal rally, where the president spoke and amplified the crowd and encouraged them to go to the capitol. so there were certainly people who i believe came to the capitol of the united states to watch the former and now president speak, and who got caught up in the action. but there were also many, many people who planned for this ahead of time. the footage that you were showing earlier that has been shown in all of our trials shows that people were prepared. they came prepared for violence. they had helmets on, bulletproof vests, backpacks, gas masks, goggles, all sorts of indicia that they were ready and coming to fight.

and so those people certainly anticipated more than a peaceful rally. and i'll tell you also that some of our best evidence during the course of these trials were the defendant's own statements, defendants saying things like, i am prepared for war. i'm prepared not to come home. as you see on the screen right there, the man in the american flag sweatshirt, that's a defendant who i prosecuted, who very publicly spoke prior to january 6th, 2021, that he was ready to give his life and that he was ready for a civil war. and so those people, of which there were many anticipated and expected more, and i think the aftermath of what happened and what they saw, it was easy for them to blame mob mentality. but these people came prepared to fight, and they did. >> last question. to what extent are you worried about retribution against yourself? >> i think the more important thing and the more important way to frame this is the american

people should be fearful of a president who is amplifying this type of conduct. and so i suppose it's to be seen what other retribution this administrative administration takes against prosecutors and agents. there are certainly more important things that the department of justice should be focused on than retribution for people abiding by their duty to support and defend the constitution. >> ashley, you have my admiration, and i'm sure i speak on behalf of a lot of our viewers as well, who are looking at you with a lot of admiration for this conversation. thank you so much. thank you. the battle for the panama canal. it is real. nbc's andrea mitchell is in panama, following secretary of state marco rubio. we're going to get her take on what's really happening in the next hour. >> safelite repair. >> safelite replace. >> nobody likes. >> a cracked windshield. but at

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with gabbard, kennedy and patel? i'll let you go first, don. >> i think that all three of them are. insignificant trouble because they all made one fatal mistake. neither one of them realized that they built up their name, id, and presence to get in front of the president's eyes by going on these right wing podcasts and saying the most crazy things. well, they're going to have to be held to account for those things in front of the united states senate like they were last year. and you saw some severe republican dissent. i was very proud of senator bill cassidy questioning of kennedy. and, of course, angela. also, brooks was just masterful. tulsi gabbard, very clearly nonsensical in her support of edward snowden. but here's the problem. jd vance will have a very busy week, and i think that he'll be the deciding vote in all three of these. there's probably some significant lobbying of those senators this weekend. and, you know, all three of them are in significant trouble. but i expect that probably at least two of the three are confirmed. >> all right. your thoughts, susan. i think kash patel goes

through. and then when it comes to gabbard and rfk jr. i think it's a package. either they'll both pass or. they'll both go down. and one thing that we have to look at right now is folks are looking at these positions in light of. >> how poorly. >> donald trump has handled his governmental operation, meaning that that memo that went out and said, we're going to freeze funding except for individuals, they couldn't get it right. it shows that the trump administration really has no idea how government works. they know how to get put out their agenda and how to do retribution really well, but they don't know how government functions. and i don't know that the senators want to put americans health or our security in shape and look for different senators to be against either of those candidates. okay. so you think those two are packaged? last word to you, david. who do you think has the most trouble?

>> gabbard. look, we saw with her, she lost murkowski, collins and mcconnell. is there one more probably on gabbard because of how she handled some of those questions? i think the other two right now, it's all vote counting. it appears they may get through. i think the biggest question is, are we in a good spot as a nation when donald trump's cabinet nominees are not even getting all of his own party to vote for him? rarely do you see strictly party line votes on cabinet appointees of national security and intelligence touches. we're seeing that now, but we're not even seeing all republicans. that itself is a damning verdict for donald trump's nominees. >> i'm out of time, but i'm asking quick anyway, which of these eye chart groups concerns you guys each most? just give me the name of the group. dea. doj, fbi, omb and a quick maybe synopsis of why don you first. >> fbi. kash patel is probably the one of the three that gets through, because the fbi control is most critical to giving donald trump full immunity.

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apocalypse delves into his family life and the spiral that led him to the capitol on january 6th. all told, from the perspective of his ex-wife and estranged son. here's a quick look at his last interview before being arrested for his actions on january 6th. >> i kind of want. to just hear. >> like what your last six months has been like. >> as expected. >> except for all the. >> demonization from the so-called right. i'm getting people declaring that, oh, he's a fad. he must be a fad. he hasn't been arrested yet. so it turns out the political right, the media on the right is every bit as disingenuous. and partizan. and what's the right word, irresponsible as the media on the left is? >> joining me now is the son of stewart rhodes and narrator of the king of the apocalypse, dakota adams. dakota, welcome. important to talk with you about this. first of all, your father was pardoned by president trump. and i want to know what went through your mind when that happened, not only for your

father, but for all rioters. and we see your mother's emotional reaction to trump's election win in this film. so i'm curious her response to the pardon. and lastly, are you worried about your family's safety? >> so first of all. >> stewart is going to be an existential threat to my family's safety and to the safety of this country. as long as. he is loose on the streets. and that's not going to change. now, as far as stewart's sentence being commuted and he is still a felon, did not get fully pardoned and did not get an apology the way enrico terrio did. that is nothing but a reward for being willing to do violence on trump's behalf, to keep him in power. and i expected that, though i was hoping that oath keepers failure to accomplish its mission, as i saw it on january 6th, would keep him behind bars where the proud boys did a great job at

brawling with capitol police. the two stacks in body armor that were sent into the capitol were very obviously going for nancy pelosi's office, and the last known location of the electoral ballots, and they didn't achieve either of those goals and secure them under cover of the riot. so i held out some hope that stewart would stay behind bars simply for failing to deliver for trump and his handler, roger stone, as i believe it happened and that did not pan out. so now the best case scenario is that stewart stays well away from my family in texas, where people still like him and he can grift money and appear on alex jones, or in north carolina with his family because nobody even in the movement likes him. up here in our corner of montana. >> dakota has has your father tried to contact you because you're aware his attorney has revealed some litigation is being litigation? i should say being prepared against your mother and others. do you even

know if your father has seen the film? >> i don't know if stewart even knows he is divorced. stewart was fully out of contact with my family for years before his arrest. my last contact with him was one random hand off of long term food storage as a partial payment for back child support in 2020, he had been completely absent for years and repeatedly no showed to custody and divorce court hearing dates until eventually the divorce was finally ended after years in limbo, with him just refusing to show over zoom. and i am not particularly afraid of stewart trying to bring legal action, which he has very little leg to stand on there, and as far as i

know, unless the situation has changed, is still represented by a sovereign citizen wacko who is going to be spending a lot of time preoccupied with how the queen of england secretly runs the america corporation, and not any kind of defamation lawsuits in the practical nuts and bolts. >> yeah, my eyes just got real big at that one. but anyway, let me talk about the documentary because it shows your upbringing being indoctrinated with the ideologies of your father, dakota. but then you de-radicalized you say, though you could have easily become the leader of another right wing group, what was the process of de radicalization like and for others, being radicalized? how can someone on the outside step in to help it? or does that never work? >> the most important thing is that if people are being directly, they if they feel attacked, that is when they will put up all of their defenses and push back harder. that's where