changed, is still represented by a sovereign citizen wacko who is going to be spending a lot of time preoccupied with how the queen of england secretly runs the america corporation, and not any kind of defamation lawsuits in the practical nuts and bolts. >> yeah, my eyes just got real big at that one. but anyway, let me talk about the documentary because it shows your upbringing being indoctrinated with the ideologies of your father, dakota. but then you de-radicalized you say, though you could have easily become the leader of another right wing group, what was the process of de radicalization like and for others, being radicalized? how can someone on the outside step in to help it? or does that never work? >> the most important thing is that if people are being directly, they if they feel attacked, that is when they will put up all of their defenses and push back harder. that's where you get the deflection. and the

what about isms that you see in so many online arguments in particular, where people are just not available to be persuaded. and i was like that for a very long time. what happened was factually that cracks began to appear between what i knew to be true and the version of reality that i was getting inside the ideological bubble. and especially after i started to. realize that stewart was not the savior he called himself, or even a really a good person or any kind of father. the more i started to see similarities between stewart rhodes and donald trump, and that very much concerned me, because as i started to lose faith in stewart, it became very worrying to me that the same kind of personality could be in the white house. >> dakota adams. it is something that msnbc viewers and others

will be able to watch tonight. i want to thank you for your candor and spending some time with us on that. everyone. it is king of the apocalypse. you can see dakota. he'll be in it and narrating. it also airs tonight, 9 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. the dramatic and sweeping purge of the fbi and doj. frank figliuzzi joins me in minutes to discuss the national security implications. the next hour starts right now. good day from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with the breaking news. president trump's brand new trade war with america's closest neighbors. trump slapped 25% tariffs on most products coming from mexico and canada, and a 10% tariff on items from china, with canada swiftly announcing its own retaliatory tariffs. this trade war sparks fears of higher prices on basic goods for americans. and here's new reaction from homeland security secretary kristi noem. >> the president.

>> has been very clear from the beginning that there's a new. >> sheriff in town, that he's going to. >> make sure he's putting americans first and that canada can help us, or. >> they can get. >> in the way, and they will face the consequences of it. if prices go up, it's. >> because of other. >> people's reactions. to america's laws. >> and breaking news on the trump administration's purge of lawyers and agents who worked on the january 6th cases, here's some new reaction from a former house impeachment manager who investigated the capitol attack. >> the attack on the fbi is extraordinary because for decades it really has been an apolitical operation. there are republicans who work there, independents, democrats. they've served all administrations. and now, just because they were assigned to work on the most massive attack on the u.s. capitol in american history and to prosecute top assaulters, they're being fired. >> and breaking news on the midair collision in washington, d.c. officials say there are discrepancies in data that shows

the altitude of the plane and helicopter at the time of the collision, while the new transportation secretary was pressed on the sunday talk shows about trump's claim that diversity initiatives were partly to blame for the crash. >> but i don't i just don't know of any evidence. and if there is some, please tell. us that i had anything to do with the tragedy itself. what what i'm talking. >> about is. >> the. >> mission of safety. >> and on. >> your airplanes. >> jake. >> or your air. >> traffic controllers or. >> anyone. >> that works at cnn. >> or anywhere else. >> they do want the best and the brightest. >> we've got that with our reporters and analysts in place with all of the latest. we're going to begin with nbc news white house correspondent yamiche alcindor, who's with the president in west palm beach, florida, for us. yamiche, another welcome. we have nbc news with its new reporting today on more moves by the trump administration to push out federal employees and the pushback from those inside the government. give us a sense of what you're learning. >> that's right. well, nbc news

has learned that a senior fbi official pushed back on any more firings of other officials in the bureau. they pushed out so much that people actually thought he was going to lose his job. this, of course, came amid a number of firings that happened with top fbi officials. at least eight senior executives, including also heads of field offices. we also know that more than two dozen federal prosecutors who worked on january 6th cases were fired. and there's now this investigation on fbi agents, thousands of them, that worked on the january 6th investigation, that, of course, being the capitol riot. take a listen, though, to what lindsey graham, who, of course, is a republican and has been an ally of president trump, what he had to say today. >> i'm looking forward to some of these people finding a new job. now, if you're an agent working on january 6th case or some other case, and you are assigned to do it and you know you shouldn't be punished just for doing your job, but this idea of keeping everybody in place in the government after trump won the election is insane.

>> so there's a lot of fear and panic that people at the fbi or doj are going to be fired just for doing their job. and also just in the last few hours here, really the last few minutes, i have to tell you, i've been talking to sources who say that the department of education, a number of people have been placed on administrative leave. paid leave for taking diversity training. that happened when trump was in office the first time around, and was encouraged by his former education secretary, betsy devos. those people saying they didn't have day jobs, they were just people who were encouraged to take this two day voluntary training. so there's a lot of worry there. there's also employees at the department of energy who say that they have been put on leave again. they say they didn't have day jobs. they are really not sure why they're being put on paid leave. and then at usaid, we're seeing a number of senior officials being let go there. also, the website for that agency has gone down. and elon musk, who of course, we know is a close ally of president trump, he's saying that the entire usaid is evil and needs to be shut down. alex. >> so let me just be clear.

betsy devos, the former secretary of education, tells people in that department, please go do this dei training. we want everyone to be aware of what's going on. and now those people who did that at her direction, their names are going on some sort of a list. >> that's right. i just talked to two union leaders who told me this on the record. they told me that this was a diversity training. it wasn't even described as a dei training because that sort of term wasn't there yet. it was called the diversity change agents programs that the administration, the trump administration, also said they wanted to have 400 people take the training. so they even had a big goal of how many people they wanted. now we're looking at the department of education, at least 55 people on paid leave, and union leaders think that they're going to be more people. maybe hundreds of them put on paid leave because of taking that training. alex. >> okay. yamiche, thank you very much. from west palm beach. joining me now is fbi, former assistant director for counterintelligence and msnbc senior national security analyst, our friend, frank figliuzzi. frank, i'd like to get your response to the trump administration's purge of those

eight senior fbi officials, including top managers and multiple heads of field offices. these are career civil servants, meaning they can't be fired without cause. so let's take a listen to senator mark warner about all this today. >> here's the. >> thing is, every fbi. agent that somehow touched the january 6th. >> investigation, that was a. >> comprehensive investigation. i've been told there were almost half of all the fbi agents at least had some involvement. if you're suddenly going to get rid of all of those, that could be thousands. yeah. what does that mean for cybersecurity? what does it mean for our trafficking and stop against fentanyl and other drugs. what does it mean in terms of, you know, serious crime investigations? this would be devastating okay. >> how will this impact the bureau, frank? the way it does its work, the way it keeps this country safe. >> we are less safe today. >> than we were, say, a week ago. >> as a nation. >> when you've literally. >> removed all of the top.

>> leadership. >> not only at fbi headquarters, but, as you. >> said, in multiple. >> field offices. >> with. allegedly more. >> to come, you can only have so. >> many actings. >> upon actings. >> before you start eroding. operational capabilities. so if. >> this moves to. >> what it. >> appears to be moving. >> to, which is a wholesale dismissal of agents and. >> even analysts. who touched. >> january 6th cases. we would literally be talking about 6000 employees. >> there are. >> only 14,000 special agents in the fbi. so you'd be approaching the halfway mark. and you know anybody who says, oh, that won't make a difference on the safety of my community or my country needs to understand something at any given time. there are multiple terror plots being tracked by the fbi as we speak. there are fbi surveillance teams somewhere. there's an fbi wiretap somewhere hoping to prevent the next terror attack. when you take layers of leadership away, then some of your best, most experienced agents out of the field, you are eroding national security and

safety. >> that's sobering. nbc news reports acting fbi director brian driscoll refused a justice department order that he assist in the firing of those eight officials. driscoll said that he was told to turn over the names of every fbi employee involved in investigating january 6th rioters, a list that he noted compromises again. thousands of fbi personnel, and that includes him. what are your thoughts on driscoll? the way he's standing up for fbi policy and how vulnerable it makes him as a trump target for potential firing? and you think we're going to see a massive dismissal of agents? >> there's a lot of drama here because we see a standoff. developing between driscoll, the acting director, which, by the way. >> was approved by. >> i'm certain, kash. >> patel and trump. he's believed to be a. >> kind of. in their camp. >> but the line, the. >> bridge that was. >> too far for him was. >> when doj demanded the list of field. >> agents who touched. >> january 6th cases, that that was enough. >> for him.

>> and multiple sources report that he used very strong language, which we can't say here with regard to the official asking for the list, and i don't. >> think he's going to provide it. >> and now we've got a standoff. he might. well be fired. and as you said, ironically. he's on the list, as is the acting deputy director. as someone who worked the cases. so we do have a standoff. the morale is in the trash right now in the fbi. our adversaries are watching this. they know that people are leaving the building in droves, leaving field offices, and they're upset. this is not a good situation for national security or for hiring. i've got confirmation that hiring has has stopped background investigations on people who are already in the pipeline. unless they're conditional job offer letter is dated before january 20th. it's stopped. we're done hiring. so you've got you could have a mass exodus with no one in the pipeline to replace those employees.

>> acting deputy attorney general emil bove directed doj supervisors to, quote, preserve all records, including documents, emails, text messages and other electronic communications from fbi staff. so this was on the same day that he fired more than a dozen federal prosecutors at the washington u.s. attorney's office. are rank and file agents worried they're going to be investigated, maybe prosecuted, even though their jobs assigned them to investigate the capitol riot. >> yeah. let's be quite clear here. these were these are hardworking agents who get up every day just working their caseload. and if they're told, hey, you've got one of these january 6th offenders in your home territory, you got to work the case, present it for prosecution, get it done. they did it. these are crimes. we have ■conviction and guilty pleas. 600 of them involved assaulting police officers. so, you know, they did their job. here's the real concern for personal safety. you walk people out the door, you you then publish. as has been reported, one of the intentions is to

publish the names of those agents. and now you've got the pardoned 1500 january 6th offenders looking at the name of the agent who prosecuted or investigated them. and you've got a recipe for absolute harm to agents and their families. >> proof. at his confirmation hearing, kash patel, of course, trump's pick to lead the fbi, said that his enemies list is a mischaracterization, adding there will be no retributive actions taken by the fbi. i'm curious, frank, your evaluation of how he's handled the hearing and is there reason to take him at his word during the confirmation hearing process, which counters his numerous prior threats for retribution? >> it certainly appears that he attempted to deceive the committee. i think this is being done deliberately. by that i mean, i think this purge is supposed to happen before he walks in the door so he can claim plausible deniability. i don't know what happened. i

didn't do it. yeah, that that's what's going to happen here. what the senate should do is call him back to the hill and say, please explain under oath. you had no knowledge of this purge that was that's happening here. of course. that's incredible. and he should not be confirmed. >> frank figliuzzi, we're going to have you back often to go through this kind of stuff. thank you. much more breaking news. major u.s. trading partners are responding to president trump's new tariffs. canada's prime minister and mexico's president directing their governments to implement matching targeted tariffs on u.s. goods in retaliation. and economists across the country warn price increases will hurt americans and deter other countries from doing business with the u.s. joining me now for more on the impacts of these measures is lori ann larocco, cnbc global supply chain reporter and author of trade war containers don't lie. navigating the bluster. lori ann, welcome. so big picture. how much will these tariffs on either side hurt u.s. imports and exports?

>> it's going to be massive alex. >> definitely go up on everyday items. so from. >> the cars. >> we buy and. >> the gas we. >> put in them to the. >> iphones, laptops and tablets that we're so dependent on to. >> the clothes we wear and the food we eat like. >> avocados. >> corn, tomatoes. all the prices are going to go up. >> canada. you've got avocados that we consume. all of this is going to add a sticker shock to consumers that are already suffering. you and i both know in terms of how many times the price of eggs, right, has come up into into the to the discussions. and this is far reaching compared to anything that we saw in 2018. even your iphone is going to be tariffed. i'm sorry when it comes to all of this too. i also spoke with sufiya umar. she actually is advising clients in terms of the wide breadth of impact that we're going to we're going to be feeling here in the us.

>> yes. and we unfortunately played her sound bite a little bit over what you were saying, but we did hear from her. so then let me ask you about what we've also heard this being from the eu this morning on trump's measures, vowing to respond firmly. that's their words to any potential tariffs. i'm curious what trump might want to target from the eu and what would be the effect. but let's be clear there's been no threat at this point. is that correct? >> actually, he sort of did in davos in davos. he he was talking remember before all the world leaders. and he said if you do not make your product in america you will be tariffed. so if you're talking about products that could be tariffed alex look at look at your charcuterie board, all of those, all of those meats and cheeses from europe, they're most likely going to be tariffs, the wines that we consume, the luxury brands, the purses, the clothing. there is so much there. and also on top of that, you'd be surprised of how many auto parts are made in europe.

for us carmakers like ford. so there is a lot there that people don't realize in terms of the interconnectivity, if you will, of the global supply chain that makes u.s. products. even back here at home. >> i think we're all becoming more aware of that. lori ann, i want to thank you for the report. we'll see you again in the last hour, the canadian ambassador to the u.s. told me something surprising about donald trump's tariff war and how it's unfolding. we'll have how it's unfolding. we'll have more on that next. we're back in the wildlife series that started them all is back. join us every saturday morning on nbc for mutual of omaha's wild kingdom: protecting the wild. and celebrate conservation success stories. stream all episodes on peacock or nbc.com and this side. >> have you seen these videos all. >> over social media.

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this morning to president donald trump's announced tariffs. here's what she said. just in the last hour. >> canadians across the country, all levels of our government are determined to respond to what canadians feel are unfair actions based on the actions that we have taken and are willing to take to address the concern that the president has expressed. they feel that this is this doesn't make a lot of sense. >> for more, joining me now is meridith mcgraw, white house reporter with the wall street journal. meredith, welcome to you, my friend. so on these tariffs being put on canada and mexico and china, your paper's editorial board is calling this. here's the quote. i mean, it's the headline, the dumbest trade

war in history. what do we know about the planning that went into these? >> well, we know that donald. >> trump and his team have threatened tariffs throughout his campaign. and on his first day in the white house. >> we were. expecting that he. >> would go ahead. >> with implementing some tariffs. but instead, he issued an. >> executive order. >> that called for investigations. >> and the an. >> opening. >> a process to potentially levy these tariffs. but trump said that he was going to implement these new tariffs with with canada and mexico. >> saying that it. >> was an economic emergency and pinning it on the. >> flow of fentanyl. >> across the border. and with illegal border crossings. and, you. >> know. >> there are a lot of questions we still have here. how long could these tariffs be in effect? what exactly are the

benchmarks for success that president trump wants to see for these tariffs to eventually be lifted? and then what is the impact here that these are going to have immediately on consumer goods and prices? if you think about the oil that we get imported from canada. or the grocery store, items that, you know, we all buy from, from mexico that are imported from mexico, and how those those prices could potentially be impacted in a significant way once these tariffs are kicked in on tuesday. >> yeah. like really immediately we're talking about what do you think the chances are that donald trump backs down. could this be him just trying to negotiate better deals or an open ended tariffs war until the fentanyl and immigration issues that he cites as being the reason for this are resolved? >> well, back in 2018, the white house did back down when mexico

responded with retaliatory tariffs in response during his first administration. and that's, of course, the hope with canada and mexico's leaders now that if they respond that they're going to be putting extra economic pain, that the white house will have to respond to. >> except except meredith, let me just jump in here because, you know, donald trump has said if you respond, i'm just adding more tariffs on top. that's what he says he's going to do. >> right. and there is a measure in this, in these tariffs that he issued that when they do retaliate the percent could be kicked up. so trump has made clear with this, this trade war that he's sparking that he has no intention, at least right now, of backing down. >> this past week, donald trump also and his new officials went on the attack against the dea,

with federal government websites now removing references to gender and diversity. they've paused observations and or observances rather of cultural events, and then trump without any evidence, blaming dea policies for the tragic dc mid-air collision. why is this a priority for this administration? well. >> these culture wars really animated donald trump's base throughout his campaign. and, you know, we heard so much on the campaign trail of trump talking about immigration or talking about trade, but the culture wars, they really did motivate a lot of his, his supporters. and, you know, in these moves that he's made and blaming everything on the plane crash to die policies, to swiftly enacting executive orders that target dei initiatives throughout the federal government. he's really trying to send a message to his

supporters here. >> so, look, we're watching donald trump attempt to try to reshape the federal government. late friday, we saw multiple senior fbi officials fired, along with roughly two dozen or so federal prosecutors who all worked on january 6th related cases. do you expect to see more large scale firings or people quitting because morale is so low? >> well, i think with these moves, you know, it could put extra stress on on the fbi if these agents are removed from their posts, you know, staffing shortages, you know, i it's clear that donald trump and his team are moving swiftly to, you know, retaliate against the agents that he believes unfairly prosecuted him. but at the same time could have real significant

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political analyst. hey welcome guys. ladies first adrienne. so question do these tariffs illustrate a difference between trump's first and second terms. do you get the sense that he doesn't have the voices of reason, as we called him, the grownups in the room to talk him down from drastic decisions? >> well. >> look, i think we're alex. >> we're certainly seeing a far more. >> i guess you could say aggressive trump. >> when it comes to, you. >> know, how. >> he's treating some of the. >> people on the. >> international stage. but here's the bottom line, alex. >> donald trump. >> on the campaign trail said he was going to enact tariffs. and guess what? he's doing it. and this is what the american people need to understand. when donald trump goes out there and says he's going to do something dangerous, divisive, something that's going to raise our costs, something that's going to have an adverse impact on families, he's actually going to do it. so when you see people out there saying, gosh, i just didn't think he'd enact these tariffs, i didn't think that he would actually try to, you know, do things that will raise the cost on on gasoline, on groceries, on

everyday goods that i use in my life. well, he said he was going to do it, so he did it. i actually just heard senator mark warner call this the super bowl tax, which is a great way to put it, because when families are going into the grocery store to buy things for the super bowl, for the super bowl parties they're going to have or the things they're going to cook immediately, you're going to see a significant raise in cost for the goods that we use in our everyday lives. so this certainly doesn't surprise me. and, you know, i think the big question is, does trump do anything to, you know, scale back on these tariffs when americans start complaining because the cost of their of things that they need in their life goes up. >> so i'm curious to you, carlos, basically what she just said, the latter part of her answer there, are we going to see a backlash of the effects of these tariffs being felt not only by the ones imposed by trump, but also the retaliatory measures that are taken by these other countries as trump prepared for that political price. does he care because he's

not going to run again. so. >> well, alex. this trade. >> and tariff issue. >> has been. >> a fixation. >> for donald trump since. >> the first term. >> i was. >> on the ways. >> and means. >> committee, and we. >> were involved with renegotiating nafta. >> now called the. >> us-mexico-canada trade agreement. >> at one point. >> donald trump wanted. to scrap the whole thing. >> he just. >> wanted to get rid of. >> it and. >> not have a free trade agreement. >> with our neighbors. now. people around him counseled him. >> otherwise. >> those of us on the ways and means committee who at the time were committed to free trade with. >> our. >> allies and neighbors. >> were pretty strong about. >> keeping that agreement. but this. >> has. >> always been. >> one of his obsessions. >> and the. >> problem here is that no one really knows what the plan is. look, tariffs can be effective if you're trying to extract some kind of concession. if you have some goal, you impose some tariffs to send a message, force people to the negotiating table. but no one knows exactly what the canadians and mexicans need

to do in order to get right with donald trump, or to avoid this unnecessary economic peril. and look, at some point, if the inflationary pressure from these tariffs gets too strong, yes, there will be a political breaking point, because even though donald trump doesn't have another election, there are congressional republicans who are likely to face some headwinds in 2026, and they don't want things to get any worse when it comes to inflation. >> and adrian reuters reports on a different note, aides to elon musk have locked out officials at the office of personnel management from some computer systems, which contain personal data of federal employees. these musk allies even installed sofa beds at their headquarters. of course, that's reminiscent of ex offices, right? how tight a control are trump and musk trying to exert over these agencies? and what does that do? >> well, alex, this is incredibly disturbing. first of all, let's keep in mind that elon musk is not a paid government employee. he is

someone who seems to be squatting in the white house. has it looks like he's got some sort of office there, but he this is going to retaliate is the bottom line. first of all, the government serves to protect the american people and to keep people safe. so if there's any risk of, you know, people's personal data that the government may have getting out there or getting in the wrong hands of somebody like elon musk, then that's going to create all kinds of problems, and it's going to create some political problems for trump. number one, you know, number two, i, i you know, we've talked a lot about alex on, on cable news and, and you know, certainly i've talked about it among my friends. like when does the you know, dam breaks, so to speak, between donald trump and elon musk. and i am not going to sit here and try to get into the mind of donald trump. but i can't imagine after a while, when complaint after complaint from the american people really starts to come out about elon musk's musk's overreach and, you know, taking it too far with with his volunteer role in

government, this is not going to go over well, because, again, the data of the american people when it comes to their medical records, when it comes to their private data, for any of that to be even remotely compromised or to get in the wrong hands of someone, that's not going to go over well with the american people. >> and carlos, i'm concerned or i'm asking how concerned you are about the lack of congressional oversight and transparency under trump so far, because republicans seem to be agreeing with many of trump's moves. but will they be okay with being bypassed in the long term? >> well, alex, i think here in the early going, you're going to see republicans accommodate president trump as much as possible. they want to try to keep the party united as much as possible. we know that republicans have had issues with unity, especially on the house side, in in recent years, and they don't want any cracks to be evident to the public for now. but again, as those midterms approach, you have a good number of republicans in the house

running in swing districts. you have a few republican senators running in swing states. those are the senators and representatives who are going to start sounding the alarm, who are going to start breaking from donald trump first. why? because their own political survival depends on it. so i think the honeymoon here will last a few more weeks, maybe a few months, but then we're going to start seeing some people stand up and push back against some of trump's agenda. >> i was wondering if you were going to use the word. it's a honeymoon phase and some people have suggested that. so adrian, the website for usaid, it is offline and trump has moved to merge that agency with the state department and foreign aid. all of that's temporarily frozen. and usaid, it provided access to clean water, hiv treatments and a lot more. and elon musk is now claiming the agency is criminal. senator schumer said the move is illegal, but is there any mechanism to actually hold trump accountable for these actions?

>> well, first of all, the usaid, this is an incredibly effective agency that does a lot of work around the world, does a lot of work here in the united states, and a lot of what usaid does is, is it's effectively using soft diplomacy to, to protect americans and to, you know, protect people around the world who need sort of those sorts of protections. but here's the bottom line. this is what donald trump does. he does things that are illegal. chuck schumer is exactly right. this is illegal. this there's a reason why we have checks and balances in government, why we have three branches of power. this is not he did that made this decision unilaterally without any congressional oversight. so it is illegal. but this is what he does. and then he lets you, you know, you take it to the courts or you, you know, congress, you know, intervenes. but then it takes a while for anything to actually happen there because it's government. things don't always move very fast. so i think we're just going to see more and more of this. donald trump told the voters of america that he was

going to disrupt the system in any voter who voted for him, who didn't think he was really going to do some of the things that he's doing, including, you know, trying to get rid of usaid or merging interstate or whatever it may be. they're saying that he actually said he was going to do that, and this is going to have very, very dire consequences on not just people here in the united states, but people around the globe. and again, i just want to remind your viewers, alex, that elections have consequences. and one thing about donald trump, again, is that when he says he's going to do something that sounds crazy and outlandish, he actually will do it. and we're seeing what the promises he made on the campaign trail actually coming to light now. >> even so, carlos, very quickly, yes or no? does this all feel like overreach by donald trump? >> yeah. i mean, there's a ton of overreach all across the administration. and that's something that donald trump, as adrian said, promised to do to challenge existing norms, to do whatever he needs to do in order

to advance his agenda. to be fair, this is not the first president to exceed his executive authority. the question is, what will congress and the courts do? how will they handle it? we'll see when appropriators at some point, who fund all these government programs decide to say enough is enough. if we have something in the budget, that means it's a priority for congress and the american people. it has to go forward. at some point, that's going to happen. >> okay, carlos and adrian, it's good to see you both my friends. thank you much. unraveling the black box mysteries. what new we black box mysteries. what new we have learned and what it all if you take or have taken humira for moderate to severe crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis and still have symptoms... you don't have to settle. ask your gastroenterologist if switching to rinvoq is right for you. it's one of the latest treatments from the makers of humira. rinvoq works differently than humira and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can deliver rapid symptom relief, lasting steroid-free remission, and helps visibly reduce damage

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>> almost an hour before they loaded back onto. busses and left the property. here today. this is all as we're learning more information from the ntsb about their investigation. they've collected the black boxes from both aircraft. they've been able to look at the data on the black box from the airplane, not yet from the helicopter. and what we've learned is that there's been some conflicting information, quite frankly, about the altitude at which this crash happened. the black box data from the plane suggested that it was at about 300, 325ft or so. the data from the tower here at reagan national indicated that this collision happened at about 200ft. there is a delay in the radar sweep that the tower reads. and so there's a bit of a discrepancy there. investigators say they need to read the data from the black hawk helicopter in order to figure out exactly what the altitude was, at least in this preliminary stage of the investigation. and they should be able to share that information with us soon. you mentioned that there are

interviews of some of the folks who were in the control tower. there were five people on duty in the control tower. those interviews are ongoing. i want you to hear what the ntsb member had to say about that. and for a. >> little. >> bit of. >> context, this is a this is a controller's worst nightmare. it hits. everyone that works in that cab and knows them very hard. >> these interviews take. >> a long time, not because there's that much talking, but there's several breaks that occur for emotions just to be able. >> to compose. >> themselves, to talk about what happened. >> and so, alex, i think that really speaks to the juxtaposition of trying to do the fact finding, gather information so that people know what happened here and what can be done in the future to prevent it, but also recognizing that we're dealing with real people's real lives. 67 people died in this crash. there are people who were involved with the process here, and they are people that we have to be thinking about as

well as we try to gather more information. again, that briefing is set for four this afternoon. >> that video you provided us, aaron, i just have to say how heartbreaking that was. the stark, cold winter day and all those people just looking out at the water. i don't know, that's just heartbreaking, that scene. all right, aaron, thank you so. >> much, alex. >> i mean it's all of it is hard. thank you though, aaron. joining me now with msnbc aviation analyst john cox. and john, as i welcome you. we learned yesterday the army helicopter may have been flying higher than faa restrictions allowed. you heard aaron's report there as well. let's take a listen to part of what the ntsb said about the passenger plane. here it is. >> i can tell you. >> at at one point, very close to the impact, there was a slight change in pitch, an increase. in pitch. that is something that we will get you more detail on. >> what does that mean and what do you make of that?

>> i think. >> alex. >> it means that they may have. >> possibly seen. >> an alert. >> on the. >> the traffic. collision avoidance system. >> that is. >> one. >> thing that's been. >> speculated by some. >> we don't know. >> i don't know. >> the. >> magnitude of the pitch up. >> at were. >> they initiating a go around? >> we don't know. >> and ntsb. >> will be asking. those questions. >> fortunately. >> we've got very high quality. >> cockpit voice recorder data. >> and they'll they'll be able to know. >> what the pilots. >> were talking about. >> in the moments leading up to this tragedy. >> and those five atc controllers on duty, what kind of questions do you think. >> do. >> you think are compromising those interviews? what are they being asked at? >> i think that. >> for the most. >> part. >> and when i've. >> interviewed controllers and. >> situations similar. >> to. >> this. >> tell me about your day. >> tell me about, you know, the. the workload, traffic.

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at. >> ro. >> covid day. >> breaking this hour. we have new video of secretary of state marco rubio in panama. just moments ago, the state department says rubio told the president panama must reduce chinese influence around the canal or face possible u.s. action. my colleague, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell, is in panama city with more on what to expect this trip. andrea, to you. >> good day to you, alex. here in panama, there is growing national sentiment against the united states because of the issue of the panama canal that president trump raised in his inaugural address, but did not raise at any time when he was president before. and there is a feeling here that this is an attack on their national sovereignty here. the canal is part of their identity. it is

also a huge source of revenue for panama. but they say that the canal is theirs by treaty with the united states, approved overwhelmingly by the senate back in 1997, and that they have administered it independently, that china has ports at either end. but there are ports along the way of the canal that are run by the united states, by taiwan, by singapore. countries from all over the world use this canal because it is such an incredible shortcut between the atlantic and the pacific. so they say that why, since they have been operating it effectively, and why since it's been part of panama for all of these decades, is president trump now saying that china controls the canal? from what we've seen, china does not. it is run by an independent authority that has been in charge for years. we interviewed someone who was in charge here and had spent 44 years working here at the canal, escorting vice president pence in 2017 on a tour here. and they