democratic party can do is sort of set the primary calendar. and, you know, there were those changes in 2024, but it wasn't a contested race. so it really wasn't that you didn't put that much out there to make these changes. now, this is going to be a big question for the party. and ultimately, ken martin has said he's going to treat all the states equally and everyone's going to make their pitch. and then he'll let us know. >> yeah, you can treat everyone equally, but at a certain point you do have to put someone first. ben komisar a lot to track there. thank you. and that was way too early for this monday morning. morning joe starts right now. >> no, no, i'm not going to say we may have short term some little pain and people understand that. but long term the united states has been ripped off by virtually every country in the world. so we're going to change that. we're going to change it fast. we're going to make america great again. we have to focus on our country. >> president trump last night telling reporters he was not concerned about how his tariffs. may hurt everyday americans. the president's trade war with china, china, canada and mexico is already having a major impact on the markets this morning.

we're going to go through that. and the details of his executive orders. it comes as elon musk appears to be on the cusp of shutting down a key humanitarian agency will dig into the unprecedented control of the federal government that is being given to the world's richest man. also ahead will go through the growing concerns about a possible purge within the fbi, as the bureau's employees are being forced to respond to questions about their service to the country. meanwhile, another judge has halted the federal funding freeze from the trump administration. we'll look at what could come next in that legal battle. we'll also bring you the latest on the deadly midair collision near reagan national airport. as we're learning more about the helicopter's crew. plus, the democratic national committee has a new leader. we'll have more about the new chairman of the dnc. and we'll bring you the top moments from music's biggest

night. good morning, and welcome to morning joe. it is monday, february 3rd. we do have a lot to get to. a lot has happened since we last saw you. with us, we have the co-host of the fourth hour, jonathan lemire. he is a contributing writer at the atlantic covering the white house and national politics, the host of way too early. ali vitali is with us and co-founder and ceo of axios. jim vandehei joins us. >> you know, jim, we're going to. >> get to. >> the tariffs. lead story. obviously the markets overnight look like they may be moving towards a pretty bad day here in the united states. for investors and people with retirement accounts. i do just want to. overall though, we're going to be going through a variety of issues, whether you're talking about the federal freeze, whether you're talking about the u.s. aid, basically, elon musk's raid on the u.s. aid, same thing with the treasury department. there are a lot of things that

are going on here that are just that. well, it's as as the new york times had an op ed yesterday, it's trump versus the law. the law may still win. a lot of these questions are just very basic questions about the power of, of, of the first branch of government versus the power of the second branch of government. i'm just curious, just an overview. you have united states congress setting up u.s. aid to 1961, donald trump deciding just to send in a guy who's not even a member of the federal government to go in and basically raid the place and take it over. same thing with the treasury department, same thing with these freezes again. what? give us your overview. look at some of these actions over the first two weeks where donald trump is unambiguously telling congress, get out of the way, doesn't matter what you

passed, doesn't matter what you authorized, doesn't matter what you funded. i'm going to just pretty much gut it if i feel like it. >> yes. i mean, i would say very clearly, in our lifetime, we've never seen any president move with this type of speed and this type of scope to solidify the power of the presidency, certainly at the expense of congress, potentially at the expense of, of states and the courts. he believes, based on court rulings in the past, that he has essentially unrestrained, unlimited power. and that may be true. it may be true. and you're watching him use this power for some payback, some quick movement on policies he talked about on the campaign trail. and many of these will ultimately end up in the court and people cheering that they end up in the court. that could be a good thing and that it stops it. it also could further the precedent, the precedent of the

president having this type of authority, almost unilateral authority and almost imperial presidency. and we wrote about this this weekend for, for, for republicans and maga fans who are cheering this. what i would tell you is, if you look at recent history, joe biden had all democratic rule for two years. trump before him, republican rule for two years. same for obama, same for clinton, same for bush. recent history shows that we have a lot of volatility in our political system. if you think democrats aren't going to use these exact same tools, techniques and tricks to solidify their power and to go after your programs and your people, then you've not been paying attention to how this city works. no one ever takes power and says, i'll give it back. i don't want it right? >> no, no, no, it's what i said during a time you remember very well the impeachment of bill clinton. i said to republicans on the house floor, just remember, there will there will be another republican president

and whatever standard we hold bill clinton to that is a standard republican presidents will be held to in the future. and, mika, a lot of these things again, you republicans have always wanted line item vetoes. there's no such thing as a line item veto, not the federal government. so the idea that a president can can go in and just decide what programs congress is authorized and funded and can gut those programs and not follow through on that. that is a real constitutional question. so we will find out in the coming weeks whether we still have three separate, three separate branches of government or we do not. and that will be left to the it's going to be. >> interesting to see what republican senators specifically, who are dealing with some key issues and could make some key decisions that the, you know, for or against what the president wants, how they're looking at the decisions they have to make in the coming days, given what has transpired, whether it's the fbi purge, spending freezes, these things

impact many people's lives and could have many potential consequences. but we'll get to them all. >> massive consequences. >> it's good we have four hours. we're going to start now, though, with the tariffs. president trump is making good on his threat to impose tariffs on three of the united states biggest trading partners mexico, canada and china. the president signed three executive orders on saturday while also threatening to increase tariffs on any country that retaliates. that has sent u.s. stock futures plummeting. we're talking about 25% tariffs. the president's measures, set to take effect tomorrow, include a 25% tariff on mexican and canadian imports and a 10% tariff on chinese imports. trump says the tariffs are due to the three countries roles in the flow of fentanyl and undocumented immigrants to the u.s. in a social media post over the weekend, president trump acknowledged americans

might feel, quote, some pain. the reaction has been scathing, with the financial times editorial board labeling the move absurd, while the wall street journal editorial board calls it the dumbest trade war in history. >> let's bring out the anchor of cnbc's worldwide exchange, frank holland. frank, comparing the tariffs first term to second term are dramatically different. and as axios jim and mike allen's newsletter reports this morning, this year we're going primarily against our allies and some of our closest trading allies, canada and mexico. >> yeah. >> good morning to both of you. >> not only. >> are some of our closest the two biggest trade partners for the us. i want to get to the market reaction first. we're seeing the major indices down more than 1% in the premarket right now. we had a number of money managers on the show and other people who, you know, represent business. i think the one where we continue to hear was uncertainty. a big reason

for stocks trading lower right now is the uncertainty. what happens next? will it be retaliation? we know that canada and mexico are planning some retaliation. we also know the president plans to speak to the leaders of those countries later today. a big question is will there be retaliatory tariffs coming from china? and what does this all mean long term? a lot of analysts believe that these tariffs will be short lived. others just aren't clear about what the path is going forward. the other big question bond yields this morning. we haven't seen a reaction from bond yields. but generally tariffs are seen to be inflationary. a lot of people are expecting so-called bond vigilantes to take action and move bond yields higher. we're also hearing from the newly confirmed treasury secretary later today about government funding. the question is how much will the government borrow? so a lot of uncertainty out there right now, we're seeing a sell off when it comes to automakers and companies with large international exposure, specifically companies that are tied to trade when it comes to mexico and canada. think chipotle. they get a lot of avocados from mexico. think constellation brands, the maker of the very popular modelo beer. obviously, that beer comes from

mexico. so broadly, uncertainty is the reason we're seeing a lot of this sell off, a lot of questions to be answered, a lot of people waiting for the president to explain what the long term gain will be, since he said there will, there would or there could be some short term pain. >> right. and canadian prime minister justin trudeau has announced that there will be retaliation, something trump warned against coming up on morning joe. in just a few minutes, we're going to have canada's former foreign and finance minister, chrystia freeland will join us on the show to talk about the tariffs. cnbc's frank holland, thank you very much. so. elon musk has access to the treasury department's payment system, full access. the new york times reports that musk and his team with the so-called department of government efficiency, gained access on friday night. it came after a top treasury official who had resisted musk's efforts was put on leave and then suddenly retired after more than 35 years of working for the

government. the paper also reports that the musk allies, who have been granted access to the payment system, were made. treasury employees, passed government background checks and obtained the necessary security clearances. however, the musk representatives have yet to gain operational capabilities and no government payments have been blocked. however, this is unprecedented. meanwhile, the security leaders for the u.s. agency for international development are on administrative leave after trying to prevent musk's team from accessing u.s. aid systems. sources tell nbc news that musk's team tried to access personnel files and security systems, including classified systems, beyond the security level of at least some of the doj's employees. musk targeted the agency in his pursuit of

trimming federal spending. yesterday, he posted on social media that it was time for the agency to die and accused the independent agency without offering evidence of being a criminal organization. usaid provides humanitarian and development assistance to other countries, primarily through funds to non-governmental organizations, foreign governments, and international groups. in the fiscal year for 2023, usaid managed over $40 billion in appropriations, which is less than 1% of the federal budget. the top recipients of the funding included ukraine, ethiopia, jordan, and the democratic republic of congo and somalia. last night, president trump was asked about musk's work so far and the future of usaid. >> i think elon is doing a good

job. he's a big cost cutter. sometimes we won't agree with it and we'll not go where he wants to go. but i think he's doing a great job. he's a smart guy, very smart, and he's very much into cutting our the budget of our federal government. it's been run by a bunch of radical lunatics, and we're getting them out. usaid, run by radical lunatics, and we're getting them out. and then we'll make a decision. >> you know, jonathan lemire, it's hard really to know where to start here. first of all, on u.s. aid, let's talk about u.s. aid for a second. here's an organization that that has fought hunger and starvation across the globe, that's fought diseases across the globe. jimmy carter helped use it to actually rid the world of some diseases that that again, across africa, across the world have had

massive impact. and the i just have a quote here at the end of world war two just to talk about for anybody that might want to know why the united states engages in u.s. aid, it's not just charity. it is the ultimate soft power that allows america to have an advantage over china and russia in the third world, in the global south, because the united states is there actually not just mining for, for, for, for minerals and precious metals, but also helping people. harry truman called in herbert hoover at the end of world war two, and there was the greatest humanitarian crisis the world had known. and herbert hoover, who truman had run against basically his entire adult life, said bare subsistence means hunger. hunger means communist. it means communism. and they

they started they started a program to make sure that there was not starvation across europe and the rest of the world. and so those that are cheering, all these things that we're talking about this morning, let's make no mistake about it, we're going to be talking about the gutting of the fbi, the fact that you, you, you have the trump administration actually looking inward to purge the fbi instead of looking outward at threats from al qaeda, threats at isis, threats from china. you can say the same thing about the pentagon. they're so busy running around trying to take generals pictures off the wall. they're going to take their their their eye off the ball. many people fear and on u.s. aid, make no mistake of it, we actually collect data. we collect intel across africa on al qaeda's growth, al qaeda's movement. what isis is trying to do there, what china is trying to do there. yes, there is the carrot, but there is also the

stick for our enemies. that's why they're there. and to have the world's richest man go in and say, he's going to basically tear this organization to the ground, not only will cause immeasurable suffering across the globe, it also will put us in a strategic disadvantage. this is strategic. what he's talking about doing is i'm sorry, it is stupid. and to try to vilify this organization so he can destroy it. that's not just bad for people who are suffering the poorest of the poor, the most disadvantaged and the most disadvantaged. just strategically, you talk to anybody in any or any administration and they will tell you it is just a stupid strategic move. but let's talk about the modeling of this, jonathan, because we had the freeze last wednesday of all government spending. on thursday, the judge put an

injunction on it. and then there was a memo that said, oh, never mind, we're not going to have a freeze. and then on friday, i believe the white house announces, no, no, no, the freeze is in full effect. and then a judge came back and said, okay, well, now it's obvious why this injunction has to hold. and then we have last week this freeze on u.s. aid. and then marco rubio said this from the times yesterday, soon after announcing the cutoff, the administration abruptly switched gears. rubio said that, quote, lifesaving humanitarian assistance would continue for, quote, core efforts to provide food and medicine, shelter and emergency need. that is not only not happening right now. elon musk is going in there. they're they're basically, you know, doing everything but breaking down the doors and gaining access to access to classified information. he's not even a

government employee. and again, my question is when are the courts going to step in. and also when are members of congress? yeah, republicans who are in charge, who authorized all of these all of these programs voted for all of these programs, authorized all of these programs, appropriated money for all these programs, which the constitution of the united states gives them the power to do. when are they going to stand up and go, wait, wait a second. this is this is not your power. we are still three co-equal branches. talk about that and also talk about the muddle, the muddled message. one day the freeze is in effect. the next day they say the freeze is not in effect. one day the u.s. aid freeze in effect. the next day, marco rubio says, oh, no, the humanitarian assistance moves forward. and then the next day, well, no, it doesn't look like it is now. musk is going on on twitter and just saying completely unfounded, crazy things about u.s. aid.

>> yeah. >> a. >> lot to get through here, joe, starting with. >> this foreign policy analyst texted me over the weekend saying, you know who u.s. aid's biggest opponent might be? vladimir putin, because putin understands that it is helpful, both in terms of, yes, there's a humanitarian element to this. there's america being the shining city on the hill. we're supposed to uplift our neighbors across the globe. but also there's a real strategic purpose as a bulwark against china. yes, against russia. and now elon musk says that agency that has done so much good needs to die, declaring that it is evil. we have seen him and his cronies at the treasury department going trying to access classified information, sensitive information not just about federal employees, but everyday citizens. has elon musk been confirmed by the senate? no. has anyone at d.o.j. been confirmed by the senate? no. it's not even clear what exactly a federal agency this is. it's still a quasi group. we're still being written up as to what it is, and yet they're already moving into some of the most sensitive areas in government. and it's taken in

tandem, as you mentioned, with this purge at the fbi, not just of agents who investigated the trump cases, but potentially any agent they're investigating, any fbi personnel who had anything to do with any january 6th case. we have the as you mentioned, the freeze and the mixed messaging there. we even have a release of water from a california reservoir, water not needed to combat the los angeles fires, which are now thankfully contained. but just because donald trump last week had said. >> he. >> was going to do something, so they reverse engineered it and instead put water. >> and jonathan, jonathan, let's just talk about the common denominator here. and again, we will tell you, for those of you that don't know the constitution of the united states, we and maybe you haven't read it, or maybe you never saw schoolhouse rock to know exactly how this stuff breaks down. yeah, but congress funds these

organizations. they negotiate with the white house, they come up with a plan. then the white house signs the bill. it becomes law, and the funding goes out there. this again, just because you have an administration that wills it to be so says, oh, we don't need to do that anymore. we can just do all the cutting. no, there's nothing in the constitution that remotely says that. we'll see what the article three branch the courts will do. i'm quite confident that the courts will actually say, well, this is so cut and dry. the constitution doesn't allow for this. i'm wondering, though, when republicans in the first branch will say we're we're equal powers here. and you, you you want to talk about us aid? we'll do that when we negotiate next time, when it goes through our subcommittees and then our committees and then the floor of congress and then to the senate.

and then we come up with a bill, we send it to you, and you decide to either sign it or veto it. that's not happening. so there are a lot, a lot of these questions about how these two branches of government are going to respond. but jonathan, let's underline something that. is good for every republican in washington, d.c, including donald trump, to know, to hear and to understand on what elon musk is doing right now and what other people are doing right now. when you got u.s. aid. and this is a truth every president has known, you are actually taking comfort away from the poorest and the most disadvantaged people on the face of the earth. and you are providing comfort to our enemies, whether it's al qaeda that's trying to make gains across africa, going south of sudan, trying to spread their hateful ideology, whether it is

isis who also is moving aggressively to try to foothold across africa, whether we're talking about throughout the middle east, wherever we're talking about and the big winners, as you've said, big winners are china, the big winners are russia, the big winners are al qaeda. the big winners are isis, the big winners of the united states doing this are all the people who wish us ill. and nowhere is this more true than in the gutting of the fbi, where you actually have an administration looking inward to carry out a purge of the fbi. right? doing that, instead of looking outward at all the threats from al qaeda in the united states, all the threats from isis in the united states, all the all the cyber security threats from china

across the united states for american citizens, all the cyber security threats from russia, from iran, who has said they want to strike the united states, they want to kill americans. they've said that. and so you're gutting the fbi. you're firing all these people across, you know, possibly one third, one fourth of the workforce and your most experienced people for political reasons. you're doing that. the winner are our enemies. those people who seek to do harm to america and to kill american citizens. you are so right. >> on two points. one, this is helping our adversaries, not our allies. also, these tariffs further alienating our allies to the point where the us national anthem being booed at sporting events in canada over the weekend. and secondly, we know what the constitution says. and the trump administration, though, is trying to defy it. that's sort of the point of how muddled this all is, is they

want to confuse and they want to say, try to stop us. we think the courts will back us up. so, ali, the question is, is the other branch of government going to do anything? elon musk said over the weekend well, it i'm paraphrasing here, but more or less said it's easy to get work done when your opponents take the weekend off. and we have seen, first of all, a lack of cohesive response from democrats who seem a little slow here on most issues, but also republicans who do have majorities, who do have the ability to say, look, actually, these programs have been in place for decades. they've had bipartisan support. there are even national security reasons to keep them going. but yet so far, they seem completely muted and afraid to stand up to trump and musk. is there any way that changes? >> yeah. i mean, we started the program talking about how when power is given, people don't just willfully give it back. and yet we're watching in congress the very central power of the purse that congress has had forever. they're now seemingly okay, especially the majority party, with giving it over to

the white house and the trump administration on this. look no further than the fact that elon musk went on x overnight. did a spaces held court online, and with him was senator joni ernst, who was effectively backing him up when he said that he wanted to get rid of usaid. she made the point that she said, we want to help starving children effectively in other countries, but that they're afraid the money is not going where it's supposed to be going the way that usaid does its work is it funds non-governmental organizations that then funnel the money where it needs to go into any of the number of these countries that usaid helps. what joe is talking about here is the hearts and minds approach to national security. and so, yes, democrats have been flat footed in some cases or aggressive in others in pushing back against this administration. but when you're in the minority, it's hard to affect change, especially if no one in the majority party is willing to cross party lines and stand with you. so we've seen it on

everything from the gutting of these kinds of agencies, the attempts to try to eliminate these agencies, which, by the way, you need congress to actually do. you can't just stroke of a pen wipe an agency off a map. and we've also seen it. then when it comes to basic things like nominations, the idea that they're going along with elon musk and doge when that is not actually a federal agency, and it's not someone who has to go before the senate and be confirmed, is just further underscoring the fact that senators and house members seem happy to farm out the central functions of their work to the federal government. and that was always going to be one of the key tests in the early days of this administration. i think we're getting our answer at this point. >> well, and again, jim vandehei, let's let's be very clear here. not only is helping the poorest and the most destitute, not only is that a good thing to do, the right thing to do, we heard jimmy carter devoted his entire life to it, but also, it is the most cold eyed strategic thing to do.

again, going back to that herbert hoover quote to harry truman, after truman was president, people were starving across europe and the world. and herbert hoover, no warm hearted soul said said that that sort of starvation, that sort of hunger, that sort of desperation led men and women to be desperate and would turn them into communists. and here again, you can say the same thing about al qaeda, about isis, about about, you know, china trying to, again, trying to make dramatic moves across across africa and across the world. i mean, this is this is not just about helping the poor. if you don't care about helping the poor, this is about american soft power. this is what we have depended on along with our guns

and jets and missiles, to be the most powerful nation on the planet. >> two quick points. one, there's nothing i've seen in the last 18 months that suggests republicans are the courts are going to contain trump's power. and so anyone who thinks that's going to happen, just look at everything that's happened over the last 18 months. on the second point, here's the problem. two things could be true at once. if you look at any part of the us budget and you've done this and you did it when you were in congress, you will find outrageous uses of our taxpayer dollars. you just will. but that doesn't mean, therefore, that the entire program is idiotic, or that people are part of a criminal conspiracy. they're making this extremely personal. if you think about the people at the fbi, you think about the people at usaid, you think about the people at the treasury department. they took jobs. you might not like those jobs. you might think they're inefficient. you might. they think they're wasteful. but that doesn't make them criminals. it doesn't make them die hires. it doesn't make them

idiots. and so in rushing on this or able to seize on a couple of programs, often a lot of programs that are outrageous, but there's a way to go through the government budget. there's a way to do it that doesn't have to be so chaotic, and chaos is a part of the strategy. but they're choosing that strategy of chaos because they believe at that velocity, you'll have a program like this where we can hardly even keep track of all the things that happened just in the last 24 hours. yeah, yeah. >> well, you know, the thing is, i know that sounds sort of boring, but this is how it's done. you have a united states constitution. every funding bill starts in the house of representatives. you have subcommittees, and they go through these programs, and then it goes to committees, and then it goes to the house floor, and then it goes to a conference committee with the senate. and then they all agree what

programs are funded, what programs are not funded. then it goes to the president of the united states who signs it or vetoes it. the people, like it or not. >> yeah. >> that's the constitution of the united states, and that's how it's done. i don't know if the first branch who actually is given the power of the purse by james madison and the constitution of the united states, is going to stand up and defend their constitutional rights. but i am hopeful. i am hopeful that the third branch, not not for the sake of not for the sake of opponents of donald trump or for the sake of opponents of elon musk, or for the sake of anybody, but for the sake of the constitution of the united states. they need to stand up and do the right thing, because, again, what comes around goes around. what goes around comes around. and again,

if republicans are allowed to do this in 2025, you can rest assured, because there's so much overreach here. democrats will be doing this in 2029. and that is not a government that we want where there is one branch more powerful than the other. two checks and balances. madisonian democracy. house senate, the president of the united states and the united states court system. >> i mean, i think it's very clear that republicans in congress, definitely some of them and most of them in the senate, know that what's going on here is not normal and is probably very destructive. and usaid, you make this great point. now, politically, donald trump may make the argument, why should we be helping other countries? and maybe part of his base would get that in that that

transaction in its own political sense. but it's what a make america great. it's what makes america strong, and it's what makes america tapped in. and the fbi purge is simply dangerous for this country. it's important to try and explain that. and we will more with our guests coming up. in fact, we'll be talking about the purge in the fbi, including the one member of the fbi. there are a few others as well, but the one man who really stood in the breach against trump's orders, we'll talk about that. ceo of axios jim vandehei. thank you very much for being on this morning. also still ahead on morning joe, the latest on recovery efforts after last week's collision between a passenger jet and military helicopter near reagan national airport. >> you know the numbers. the numbers aren't lining up. there are some. there's some low in altitude at 200ft for the helicopter, 325ft for the jet.

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tariffs on has been swift. the president of mexico, posting on social media saturday night that she had instructed her secretary of the economy to implement what she calls their plan b, which includes tariff and non-tariff measures in defense of mexico's interests. meanwhile, canadian prime minister justin trudeau announced canada would impose a 25% tariff right back on canadian exports to the u.s, affecting more than $106 billion worth of american goods ranging from beer and wine to household appliances and sporting goods. joining us now, canada's former deputy prime minister chrystia freeland, who has called trump's new tariffs, quote, an act of economic warfare. she is the former foreign and financial minister to canada, and she's running to succeed trudeau as

prime minister. it's great to have you back on the show, chrystia. i think first of all, it'd be great if you could explain the impact of these tariffs on both sides. >> well, great to be with you, mika. look. >> this really is utter madness. and, you know, from our perspective, the key thing here is you guys are engaged in this colossal act of self-harm. these tariffs are going to make life more expensive for americans. you have put a tariff on the gas we sell you. so gas is going to be more expensive. you have put a tariff on the food that you are buying. that's a tax on groceries. they're going to be more expensive. we have now the united steelworkers, the american farm bureau, the chamber of commerce, all saying this is going to hurt america. stock futures are down. you are

hurting yourselves. you are taxing regular americans. and we are going to fight back. and canada is your biggest market. canada is a bigger market for u.s. exporters than china, japan, the uk and france combined. for americans like your business people, right? the customer is always right and your customer is really angry at you. the whole country is behind the retaliation the prime minister has announced. so now we are going to tax american exporters who are trying to sell us stuff. that means americans are going to lose jobs. so this is really it is self-mutilation. america is hurting itself. we think that it is utterly crazy. and we're also really, really angry at you. >> so, madam deputy prime minister, i was really struck when prime minister trudeau spoke over the weekend, the sense of betrayal that he expressed, that we have been there with the u.s. he was

saying, i'm paraphrasing every step of the way, even in times of need. and now this is coming out of nowhere. elaborate on that, please. and also, just more specifically, just remind viewers just how closely linked these two nations are, particularly whether it's people or goods going back and forth across the border, sometimes multiple times a day. >> the prime minister has been great. and i have to tell you, the whole country is rallying behind him. we all feel personally hurt, and that hurt is now becoming anger. you know, we pride ourselves on being a polite, nice country. but at the raptors game last night, the american anthem was booed at a senator's hockey game. over the weekend, the american anthem was booed because we do feel like we are your friends. we're your neighbors. we are your allies, and you guys are really lucky to have us on your northern border. the fact that you have this

safe, secure, friendly country on your northern border is foundational to american prosperity. and now you're slapping us in the face. i mean, the tariffs against canada are higher than the tariffs imposed against china. what's going on here, guys? >> it's ali vitali, i have a question for you in regards to the way that these tariffs have been put on, the trump administration is saying that it's because they want to stem the flow of fentanyl through borders as well as illegal immigration. but in your conversations and in the conversations that these governments are having, do you have a sense of what the canadians would even have to say to get these tariffs removed and appease the administration? >> well, thank you for the question, ali. and the fact is it is these tariffs are being imposed truly for utterly no reason. the pretext offered is the flimsiest pretext possible.

less than 1%, in fact, around 0.2% of the fentanyl that comes into the us comes through the canadian border. if border security were the issue, this could be solved in five minutes. we want a secure border to we would like to stop the illegal us guns that are smuggled into canada and cause deaths on canadian streets, and we are very happy to work together to not have asylum seekers cross in either direction. the president has also directly threatened our national sovereignty. he has said over the weekend that if we were to become the 51st state, there would be no tariffs. canadians really, really, really are angry about that. and i do want to say we want to be your friend. we want to be your partner. we want to be your neighbor. we're good at that. we've done it for decades and decades, but we are proud of our

country. we're really proud to be canadian. our sovereignty is not negotiable. and if you hit us, we are going to hit back and the whole country is going to be proud to do that well. >> and canada has been mika, canada has been our friends, our allies, our best trading partners. and again, as chris just said, and so many americans need to understand that the fact that the longest peaceful, contiguous border in the world is the northern border that starts at maine and goes all the way, all the way over to washington state, and the fact that we don't have to have troops on that border, because canada is such a good friend. again, this is again for so many canadians. it's just shocking. >> so also a friend, chris, who was on morning joe in the early days, along with all of us sharing her political analysis.

she is. educated, sleep steeply, not on just canadian values, but american values and the american constitution. and so to your question of what's going on here, guys, chris, i ask you, imposing tariffs on a friendly border nation, what do you think is going on here? what's your assessment of what's happening here? >> you're the americans and i'm going to leave that up to you. but i do have a message for you, which is we are a great ally and partner. there is an exit ramp here. there is a win win here for all of our history. as countries, we have been great, mutually beneficial partners and friends. ronald reagan famously said, we're more than friends, we are kin. and he said that the canada-u.s. relationship is the best, the most mutually

beneficial relationship between two countries in history. ronald reagan said that he was a smart guy. he was right. but what i will also say is this isn't going to work. you know, this is a colossal act of self-mutilation where america is hurting itself. and please know that we think it is utter madness. we are not going to back down. we are really proud to be canadian. we love our country so much. canadians are rallying around this issue. we're going to stand up for ourselves. and you know, i used to say, we do it more in sorrow than in anger, but we're moving away from the sorrow feeling towards really being angry about this because it's so unjustified and so pointless. >> and as the wall street journal editorial page says, it

is the dumbest trade war in history. chrystia, let me ask you. finally, i understand canadians have all come together and they're they're even coming together behind prime minister trudeau, who's has been extraordinarily unpopular in the polls up to this point. i am curious, though, are there is there anything more he should be doing? is there anything more that you would do. >> in response. >> if you were prime minister now, in response to these tariffs. >> the whole country right now is united. everyone is rallying behind this united national response. we, our prime ministe, is our prime minister, and we are supporting him as he stands up for canada. if i am chosen to be leader of the liberal party and become prime minister, i will continue that fight and i will fight really, really hard

for my country. >> all right. canadian prime minister candidate and former deputy prime minister of canada, chrystia freeland, thank you very much. it's good to see you come back. i have a feeling this story isn't going away anytime soon. thank you very much for being on this morning. this morning, there are growing concerns about a purge within the fbi. bureau employees have been instructed to complete a questionnaire by today about their involvement in any criminal cases related to the january 6th capitol attack. it is the latest sign that the trump administration plans to deliver on its promise to make dramatic changes within the fbi. on friday, at least eight senior fbi executives were told by the trump administration to resign or they would be fired. nbc news has learned. the fbi's acting director also was told to turn

over the names of every fbi employee involved in investigating the january 6th rioters, but he pushed back, promising agents he would follow the law and existing fbi policies. ryan riley, who covers the justice department and federal law enforcement for nbc news, joins us now, along with nbc news national security editor david rohde. he's the author of the book where tyranny begins. the justice department, the fbi, and the war on democracy. >> well, david, it seems just given the title of your book and the work that you've been doing, you're a good place to start there. there are. i've talked to agents, and i've also talked to people that have served in other administrations, many not fans of the fbi at all, for their own personal reasons, saying that what's going on right now is

horrifying. it is their words in the best interest, not of the united states, but in the best interest of al qaeda, of isis, of china, of russia, of criminal gangs, of drug empires, you name it. anybody that seeks to do america ill. what what what we've been hearing throughout the weekend is this is their dream that you have an administration that is focused on looking inward in the fbi, instead of looking outward at all of the different forces, malevolent forces that want to hurt america, that want to kill americans. and there are many and want to destroy this country. >> i can't. >> describe to you how unusual. >> all this in is. >> what a chaotic. >> weekend it was. i want to thank ryan, who's right here with us and other nbc reporters.

tom winter, ken dilanian, jonathan dienst, mike kosner fielding calls and emails from panicked fbi agents. we talked to a penn state historian who tracks the history of the fbi. he said, this is uncharted waters, waters and a wholesale effort to eliminate the independence of the fbi by a political leader. and this all goes back to j. edgar hoover and massive reforms that were enacted again 50 years ago to make the fbi independent from elected officials who could interfere or direct them in terms of criminal prosecutions and criminal investigations. so it's extraordinary. and just the last point, this is all about january 6th. the questionnaire you mentioned asking fbi agents than they have to answer until today. did you investigate the january 6th riots is just

unprecedented. the fbi agents association is urging some of them to not answer if they can, but to remain calm. but essentially, it's an argument from the sitting president that it was wrong to investigate the january 6th riot at the us capitol, that it was wrong and improper, and anyone who did so should be removed from the fbi. >> i mean, ryan, that's such an extraordinary statement. this is the biggest investigation in doj history. these people, agents who were assigned, you know, it's not like they willingly chose necessarily. and it could lead to just gutting of the of the bureau. so talk to us a little bit more about that, but also a few of those who are trying to step into the breach and hold this back. the acting director right now also we're seeing out of the new york field office. yeah. >> the. >> jerries, i think, is his nickname that people have been going with. and there's a lot. >> of support within, i think, the bureau. for how he handled that. although, you know, remember there the fbi is a. >> very, i think. >> ideologically diverse institution. >> and there are a lot of donald trump supporters within it and people who have these

grievances. >> against the. >> fbi, who. have complained for a very long time about it. so that's, you know, just the reality of it. i think, you know. it's sort of crazy if you go back ten years, just the way we talk about the fbi now. >> as though some. >> sort of liberal haven. >> but the truth is, it's a conservative. >> leaning law. >> enforcement organization. and i think that. >> that's, you know, sometimes can get sort of lost in this. >> and, you know, there were people within. >> the fbi who. >> were not very enthusiastic about these january 6th cases altogether. >> i think. >> you. >> know, the ones that were about assaulting. >> police officers individually. i think broadly there is support for those. but, you know, they definitely. had their issues. >> with with the way. >> the justice department was approaching this. there were plenty. >> of fbi. >> prosecutors. rather doj prosecutors who thought, you know, had told me directly. >> that they thought. >> the fbi was half assing a lot of these investigations, weren't putting all of their effort into it. so that's, you know, that's the reality, i think, across the bureau more broadly. but this really is a remarkable moment because, you know, anyone who touched a january 6th case has to fill out that form, whether you were enthusiastic about it, whether you were one of the key, you know, fbi folks who did this or whether you just had some

sort of involvement in an arrest. right. you need to sort of do a show of force and, and make sure that someone's taken into custody efficiently and effectively and safely. and that's when a lot of people get involved in those. so, you know, this is a huge number of agents and fbi employees that you're talking about here. and just to have it be this personal grievance of the president, because he doesn't like that some of his buddies were locked up. who he's been hearing about is, you know, from having these direct communications with with the january 6th committee, i think is pretty, pretty remarkable and really does it's a i think it's a real historic moment for the fbi here. >> brian, i think that timing is so important, the fact that you start seeing the beginnings of this purge after kash patel does his confirmation hearing on capitol hill, but the pushback that you and david are talking about here from agents, including the acting director right now, what does that portend for if kash patel gets confirmed, if he does what he said he wouldn't do during his hearing, but he said a lot before he got before the senate that he would enact retaliation

against people who worked against the president. what does that portend for him being able to enact that agenda? if people within the agency are pushing back even now? >> yeah, i mean, i think kash patel said all the right things during the hearing and the question was going back and forth was, was this the podcast pro persona or was this his actual thing? was he just trying to sell those books to call donald trump king? right. like, that was we're trying to figure out exactly where things land. and these are a lot of people that he knows, right? that was a question that senator booker asked during this, you know, asked him if he knew all these individuals who are now being put into these weird roles within the fbi. and that's really, really unusual, because typically you only have that one official who's sort of has an appointment, and it was supposed to be this ten year term. and, you know, that's not the way this has worked out for the past two fbi directors, one of whom was fired by trump, one of whom was preemptively pushed out by trump. he i think he really is sort of remaking the bureau or trying to remake the bureau to be something that, you know, he can get fully behind and not be worried about going after any of his buddies.

>> i want to go to david rohde in a second, but let me ask our reporters, jonathan lemire and ali vitali, your thoughts on at the end of last week, you had kash patel saying that if he were put in as fbi director, that he was not going to seek retribution. and then, of course, that night the retribution began and the purges began. i'm wondering everything i've heard up to this point suggests that kash patel is going to get the 50 votes he needs. i wonder the chaos, the gutting of the fbi, the purges. what we've seen this weekend, does that does that move any republican voter vote in the senate who obviously should be and i suggest are actually concerned by the great purge that they're seeing going on at the fbi. ali, i'll begin with

you. >> we'll wait to see when senators come back to town. of course. but i think the common question throughout all of these various hearings, it was true for hegseth. it's true now for kash patel. it's exactly what ryan and i were talking about. the idea of, are you the person who's going who's sitting before me in the senate explaining who you are now? or are you the person that has all of these incendiary and controversial comments on everything from, in headset's case, women serving in combat to patel's case, where he says he's not going to enact any kind of agenda for an enemies list, or retaliation against people who worked against or to investigate just the basics of doing their job at the fbi, the documents case, or other legal woes that we're facing then former president donald trump. that's always been the central question for senators. which do you want to believe? it's been a rorschach test that largely these nominees have been able to pass because of the partizan pressure that's being pushed upon these senators? but i it's interesting to see, and we'll

see. i mean, nothing happens in a vacuum. the purge is certainly something that is roiling the hill right now. but whether or not it's actually going to move people's votes remains to be seen. >> john and jonathan, the question answers itself. you look at pete hegseth. i'm only focused on the warrior culture, bringing the warrior culture back, not retribution, not this, not that. he gets in immediately. hey, i'm sorry. one of the first orders they take down, general milley, a guy who's one of the most highly decorated generals in us history. they take down his his picture, and then pete hegseth, right after he gets in, announces an investigation of general milley for political reasons. >> security? >> yeah. they take away your security, all these other things. and now with kash patel, you have you have somebody who, as you and i have said and

everybody knows, he's said he's going to arrest people, he's going to arrest reporters. he said, we're going to get you. we're going to come after you, whether it's criminally or civilly, however we can get you, we're going to get you. you can line that up, republicans, with what donald trump is doing and with his lawsuits with every news organization. so when they say it, they mean it. and then you can go through his book and look at the so-called enemies list and see what's going there and line that up with what's going on. the purges this weekend, the most dramatic, most extreme purges inside the fbi, it's ever taken place. and that's taken place this weekend, right after his testimony. so republicans know what's going to happen. and we're here to say, i am here to say, and i speak only for myself, that if you have an fbi director that furthers these

purges, that is a win for al qaeda. if you're gutting the fbi, that i guarantee you, whether it's you want to call it a win or not, they are cheering this happening. isis is cheering this happening. china is cheering that this has happened. russia is cheering that this is happening. iran is cheering that this has happened. and do you know who knows that republican senators. >> they do. >> they know every single republican senator knows that to be the case. so jonathan, the question is, are they going to get an fbi director who is more concerned about going after criminal gangs in america, going after murderers in america, going after al qaeda or isis or islamic terrorists who want to blow things up in america, or domestic terrorists that want to blow things up in america, or

who's going to be looking inward at the fbi, trying to conduct political purges? every republican knows what they need in that position as fbi director after this weekend especially, the question is, are they going to do anything about it? >> yeah, to put it simply, gutting the fbi does not make the nation safer. and we should also just reiterate this. those who stormed the capitol on january 6th were encouraged to do so by donald trump. donald trump then pardoned all of them, and now he's investigating and threatening to fire everyone who looked into those cases, which is setting up quite a permission structure, perhaps, david, going forward. so let's go back to kash patel's potential confirmation. i heard over the weekend there are real doubts in trump world that tulsi gabbard can make it. growing doubts about robert f kennedy. there's some thoughts here that maybe senator cassidy could be that fourth vote. patel, though, up until this weekend, seemed like he was smooth sailing. from what

you've heard, though, what we've seen this extraordinary, as you put it, purge over the weekend. is there any suggestion now that some republicans will stand up to patel? >> not yet, but i was at the confirmation hearing last week. senator thom tillis said specifically, he thought that the pardons and excuse the expression sucked. thom tillis said he was going up to capitol hill police officers and apologizing to them for this happening. senator thom tillis, senator lisa murkowski, senator susan collins, senator mitch mcconnell, those are the four votes. and tillis was the one vote that let hegseth get confirmed to watch here, because we're talking about an estimated number of the times reported, is that 6000 of the 38,000 fbi agents in this country were told and ordered to play some role in the january 6th investigations. so that is 15% of the fbi's workforce. and what this leads to, again, is chaos and distraction. instead of hunting down fentanyl traffickers and hunting down chinese or russian

spies, the fbi is in turmoil and distracted from its mission. >> all right. david rohde, brian riley, thank you so much for your reporting and analysis. we'll continue to follow this. it is the top of the hour right now, and crews are still searching for bodies and debris in the potomac river after that deadly midair collision between an american airlines flight and a black hawk helicopter. 67 people were killed when the aircraft collided wednesday night near reagan national airport in the washington, d.c, area. as of now, 55 bodies have been recovered and identified. search and recovery efforts are expected to continue today. officials say they will remove the wreckage from the water later this morning. the cause of the crash has not yet been determined. the national transportation safety board says preliminary data shows the passenger jet was flying at about 325ft at the time of the

crash. according to the voice recorder, the crew had a verbal reaction. data then shows the plane's nose began to rise. the helicopter was also flying at about 200ft, the maximum altitude allowed in that area. but investigators say there's still more data to be retrieved before any conclusions can be drawn. in an emotional plea, an ntsb board member called for changes to be made to aviation safety, saying he shouldn't be meeting with grieving families. >> we're just all hurt and they still want answers and we want to give them answers. and the most devastating thing, i guess today was they watched the news last night. they know their loved ones are recovering. they're thinking, is it going to take longer? am i going to find my loved one? how will this affect it? that's hard. i mean, it's horrible, it's horrible. and no one should suffer this.

so yeah, it is hard on them. they have a lot of questions. they know they haven't been through this. unfortunately. we have a lot of experts. we've done a thousand. but that doesn't mean it's not completely new to them. what's really horrible, though is that these things are happening. unfortunately, at some point all of you are going to be gone. we're still going to have the investigation open. we're going to make recommendations. we go to east palestine, a community that gets devastated. still, nothing's happened. we've several hundred recommendations open for aviation. you want to do something about it, adopt the recommendations of the ntsb. you'll save lives. get off and do something. i don't want to have to meet with another set of parents like that again. it's not fair. it could be your family. >> you know. and, jonathan, you're looking right there at the organization within the government. this is actually supposed to be doing the investigation. it's supposed to

be drawing the conclusions. it's supposed to be getting out there and talking. there have been there's been so much speculation, of course, the wild speculation that. led to this, the speculation on who is at fault, speculation on on hundreds of things. and as you know, these the process of these investigations are long and painstaking. and what did we find this weekend, jonathan? we found that based on the data they have, the plane was at 325ft, making its approach to runway 33 had been had been moved off of runway one to runway 33 at the last minute. and we found out that so far, the data they have right now has a helicopter flying at 200ft.

now, there is speculation, and unfortunately some have speculated openly immediately following the crash, that president speculated about exactly what happened. the fact is, right now, they're still sorting through the data and trying to figure out exactly why there's this difference. you know, 325ft for, for the commuter jet and 200ft for the helicopter. this is why we have ntsb investigations. and how long does it take? well, as he said, there's still going to east palestine trying to figure everything out about that accident. these investigations sometimes take years. the one thing i will say, and i'm sure you'll agree with me, knowing, knowing washington, traveling in and out of washington, it is just insane. the amount of helicopter traffic around

washington national, the busiest airport in the world. i mean, the fact they didn't figure this out years ago, we all see helicopters. there was a near miss the day before this accident, and it happens time and again, and it sounds like they've already decided to take steps to move helicopters. the heavy flow of traffic of helicopters away from reagan national. but what can you tell us about what you've learned this weekend? >> yeah, a few things here. first, you're right. it's just it's such a busy area, national airport, so popular with members of congress who have added flights to it because it's so convenient to the district as opposed to, say, dulles. there's also so many government helicopters and military helicopters, a number of bases right there. it is very crowded. but your point about the ntsb is exactly right. this is why the federal government has agents like this to do this with experts expertise. it takes a while and it's supposed to be apolitical. well, we also learned from the ntsb over the weekend they're no longer going

to be sending out updates over email. it's all coming on. x elon musk's esque x. so that's another sign of his influence here that he wants another piece of this. also, we should note you mentioned president. we're still learning a lot. we don't know. and it will be a while before we learn exactly what happened there. but president trump recklessly speculated at the end of last week at a number of occasions, including on die, to the point where the families of one of the pilots on the military helicopter asked the dod to withhold her name for a few days because they were so afraid of the blowback it would get. and then when they did eventually release it, a woman named rebecca laubach. they did so in a press release that was filled with her awards and citations and commendations, as if they had to justify this is what they had to justify her presence on that helicopter, because they were trying to ward off these claims that she was simply a die hire. and that's something that they had to do directly because of the speculation put forth by the president. united states, the

commander in chief, her commander in chief. >> so on the black hawk helicopter were three soldiers, as jonathan mentioned, chief warrant officer andrew eve, staff sergeant ryan o'hara and captain rebecca lobach eaves was the pilot. the soldiers were conducting a training flight out of fort belvoir when the collision happened. captain rebecca laubach was 28 years old. she was a distinguished military graduate from the university of north carolina. in 2019, she was commissioned as an active duty aviation officer, chief warrant officer andrew eve served in the u.s. navy beginning in 2007, then transitioned to the regular army in 2017. he received several awards, including army and navy commendation medals, as well as a national defense service. >> and, from some reports, some reading that and that we're reading, he officer eaves was

the pilot, but this was a training mission, and he he may have been may have been training rebecca laubach for this and we'll get we'll get further details on that. >> and staff sergeant ryan o'hara had been in the army since 2014. he was deployed to afghanistan and received several awards, all serving this country. meanwhile, investigators are hoping to learn more about how a medical transport jet carrying a child patient, her mother and four others crashed into a philadelphia neighborhood only about 30s after taking off on friday night. authorities have recovered the plane's voice recorder, located at the site of the impact, along with the enhanced group proximity warning system, which could contain flight data. the ntsb and faa say both components are being sent to a lab in washington for

evaluation. as wreckage recovery continues today, all six people on board the jet and one person inside a car were killed in the crash, while at least 19 people were on the ground and they were injured when the crash happened. so we'll be following that. and those investigations back now to the developing story out of washington with major economic and political implications. canada, mexico and china are promising retaliatory measures in response to new tariffs implemented by donald trump, who now says americans might pay the costs. nbc news correspondent yamiche alcindor has the latest. >> president trump's new tariffs blasted by foreign leaders and democrats here at home. >> it's going to just do one thing. it will raise prices for american consumers. >> even as republicans rush to the president's defense for imposing 25% tariffs on goods

from mexico and canada and 10% on items from china. >> if prices go up, it's because of other people's reactions to america's laws. >> canadian prime minister justin trudeau retaliating with his own 25% tariffs on u.s. imports and speaking directly to the american people. >> tariffs against. >> canada will put your jobs at risk. >> they will raise. costs for. >> you. >> including food. >> at the grocery store. >> and gas at. >> the pump. >> and your home. >> and it's getting personal. played in an nhl hockey game in ottawa, canadian fans booed the singing of the u.s. national anthem. president trump writing on social media that canada should become our cherished 51st state. the president, who campaigned on promises of lowering costs for americans, also acknowledging prices could go up. posting will there be some pain? yes, maybe adding it will all be worth the price that must be paid. white house

officials said the tariffs will help with border security, and accused mexico of having an alliance with drug traffickers. mexico's president pushing back, saying we categorically reject the white house's slander against the mexican government of having alliances with criminal organizations. mexico also says it will now implement its own new tariffs on the u.s, and china says it's going to file a lawsuit with the world trade organization and take countermeasures of its own. >> joining the conversation, we have the president of the national action network and host of msnbc's politics nation, reverend al sharpton, nbc news senior business analyst and host of the 11th hour. stephanie ruhle joins us, nbc news national affairs analyst and a partner and chief political columnist at puck. john heilemann is here as well. good to have you all on board this hour. >> thank you so much. and, stephanie, let's start with you. business leaders are obviously deeply concerned. the u.s. chamber of commerce, national association of manufacturers. i

could go down the list. these organizations that represent mid-sized businesses, small businesses, all businesses deeply, deeply concerned about the impact this is going to have on their businesses, small, medium and large. but of course, consumers, organizations also very concerned about what this is going to mean about rising grocery prices. what can you tell us about wall street's reaction and the business community's reaction to this? >> well, look at free markets. look where the futures markets are right now. they're panicked. they're concerned for everyone who said, oh, it's all going to be bluster. he's not going to go for it. well he is. and the person, the former wall street titan who i'm thinking about today is incoming treasury secretary scott bessent, because it was right around this time last year, in a letter to his investors, he said that tariffs are immediately inflationary. it is it would not be a good way to start off an industrial renaissance in this country to

go for tariffs. and you know, i remember when he wrote the letter, the letter and he said, listen, any administration should always have the tariff gun loaded, locked and on the table but rarely deployed. and here we are, less than two weeks in. donald trump is guns a blazin. of course. he heard all weekend from investors and business leaders saying, hold your horses, this is not good for us. and now he's saying he's going to be meeting with canada and mexico today, and we'll see what we get today. but it's like, what are you doing with our closest allies, especially if this is about drug cartels. canada. seriously, this makes absolutely no sense. >> so steph, let's talk about the impact this will have on american consumers 25%. canada and mexico. also we shouldn't forget 10% tariffs with china. you know, for your average person, including those who voted for donald trump. talk to us about how life just got more expensive. >> for the average person who puts on a t shirt and says, made in the usa, let's do it. i agree with that sentiment, but 50 years ago we were largely a

manufacturing country. we're not now. we are a service based country. that's where our economy is. so take anything you purchase across the board, you know, whether it's groceries, lumber, the gas in your car, everything across the board. when you start to play these tariff wars, tariff wars get ugly for everyone. >> so we also have some breaking news this morning. we talked earlier in the show about usaid, its uncertain fate. we've just confirmed an email went out early this morning to staff saying do not come in. headquarters will be closed this morning. you were to work remotely. we're. and elon musk is saying in his spaces last night said that donald trump agreed with him to shut down the entire agency. we have congress should have a say in there. they've been mute so far. give us your reaction, though, as we know what good, both strategically and in terms of humanitarian terms, xanshi does today. it's not open strategically. >> it is very. >> detrimental to the interests of the country because this aid that we do humanitarian wise is

also goes hand in glove with protecting and securing americans and the united states because we need people to see us as a humanitarian country, as we try to deal with the fact that china and russia are making inroads into africa and other places, to just abruptly cut this off and to and to, in essence, get rid of or terminate, or those that have been doing that work is, in my opinion, not only a misjudgment, it's a cold, calculated play that i don't understand how it serves the interests of the american people. so at one level, you sympathize with those that work in us aid, but on another level is to what end are we saying we're going to cut this off? there's been no problems with them. there's been no questions about their service. so what is the point here? >> but jonathan, can we remind our audience, you said elon musk's directive. elon musk is a

private citizen. he is not elected. he is not appointed. he has not had a background check. he has not been vetted in any way. okay. this is a private citizen that the president signed an executive order, right? he even put doge in parentheses. this isn't real. but elon musk and his team have now been given access to start to take over and control established government offices. right. when you talk about protecting u.s. interests, who's protecting u.s. interests? elon musk has always argued, i go to where the problem is. well, who are you looking to solve it for yourself and your personal interests or the american people? we have tons of waste in this country. let's do it. but why aren't the people who are doing it? why haven't they been confirmed? why don't they have background checks if they're going to, like, shake things up, let's do it. but let's do it with some level of transparency. yep. >> well, and yeah, again, as somebody that has literally focused my entire adult life on the national debt, which is at

$36 trillion, it's supposed to go up another $20 trillion over the next decade and understands and has been warning for 30 years now about the debt bomb that will go off. and when it goes off, it will be bad. i you know, i would be the first to talk about the need to get spending under control, but you do it constitutionally. and by the way, going after u.s. aid, this is so preposterous. it's less than 1% than than of the federal budget. so, john heilemann, though you look following up on what stephanie just said and looking at the hatred again, again, the hatred spewed this weekend from the world's richest man for the united states, actually helping the poorest people across the globe, the most destitute people across the globe. and not just

because we're good people, but because, as i've said before, harry truman made the calculation after world war two and europe was in ruins. i have to get herbert hoover over there, and he needs to organize a humanitarian response, because if we don't do that, the communists will, and they will take over western europe as well. they understood that now we have china, we have isis, we have al qaeda trying to make their way through and establish a foothold all across all across africa, all across the southern hemisphere. and you have, again, somebody who's not even a government employee, basically kicking down the door of the treasury department this weekend, kicking down the door of u.s. aid this weekend, sending his people in to have access to classified material that they have no right to have

classified, have access to that classified material. and it appears to just keep going. and you do wonder, when are the republican heads of these committees going to step forward and say, can't do that. that's actually my jurisdiction. get out. it's a very good question, joe. >> and i would say there are a lot of things. all built into that question and into the setup here. i mean, there is the elon musk of it all, which is, you know, has been one of the most important stories of this new term, the notion that it's not a good look, obviously, in some sense, you wouldn't have thought the world's richest man campaigning to take out usaid in the way that he has been. but, you know, you look at the we don't have a head of the faa right now because the prior head of the faa decided to step down because elon musk was attacking him over things that in demanding his resignation, he is as stephanie said, this is not even just a question about transparency. it's a question

about accountability. there is no such thing as the department of government efficiency. it does not exist. it has not been created. it is now the head of it, the head of the of a fictional organization has is now shutting down a long established and congressionally authorized institution that has the history that you just said with usaid. but your question at the end is the crucial question. if you add up everything that donald trump has done since he took office, it amounts to a strategy of subjugating the legislative branch, whether it is the firing of the inspectors general, the purge at the fbi, shutting down the usaid, the discussions about about a buyout offers for federal employees. there's you could make a list of 30 things. all of them are about expanding the executive power and essentially saying to congress, we dare you to assert

your institutional prerogative to rein this in and during the courts to stop it. and your question, when will committee chairs? i'm not sure they ever will, because one of the questions that's at hand right now is, does congress want to be have its institutional prerogative? does this republican party in the united states senate and house want to be about a check and balance against the executive, or does it actually want to be politically and otherwise subjugated to donald trump's agenda? that question is, to a large extent, along with the question of whether the courts will intervene and what will happen if they do. those are like the whole ball of wax here. >> all i'll say is this mika is again. again. everything that happens now is jim vandehei and mike allen wrote this morning in axios. everything that happens in 2025 with a republican

president could happen in 2029 with a democratic president. i think more to the point, though, when there are all these strategic missteps, when there is the gutting of u.s. aid, an organization, again, that helps us actually collect data on al qaeda, whether it's in the ivory coast or across the world. we actually collect data on al qaeda through u.s. aid. we actually get sources on al qaeda and isis and others, china trying to make moves across africa. there will be blowback. and when that comes, those republican senators that are sitting back letting this happen. >> yeah. >> we'll we'll we'll be responsible. it's the same thing, actually, when you look at what's happening at the fbi, internal purges are going on at the fbi right now. and that's

great news for al qaeda. that's great news for isis. that's great news to fentanyl drug gangs. that's great news to china. spies for china, spies for russia, spies for iran. that is great news for our enemies. there's no there's no way. two ways. cut it. every republican senator knows this to be the case. every republican house member knows this to be the case. if you are focusing your attention on purges at the pentagon and purges at the fbi, then your enemies are the ones. your foreign enemies are the ones who are celebrating because they're getting more powerful, because you're taking your eyes off the ball. and by the way, i'll be the first to say, and i've said it, reform at the fbi, reform at the pentagon, reform at usaid, reform across the

government. a great idea. but, you know, one of elon musk's close associates said his goal and the goal of other billionaires that are involved in this are to strip the government down to its stubs. >> yeah, i'm just thinking of a handful of republican senators that we have known over the years that we've met with barrasso, thune, lindsey graham, dave mccormick, susan collins. i mean, we they know this. they absolutely know this. everyone 100. >> every last one of them knows this is dangerous. a purge at the fbi is dangerous. if somebody stepped over the line, then then yes, deal with those people accordingly. but a wholesale purge there, a wholesale purge at usaid. as john lamar just said this morning, telling every us aid

worker to stay at home, there are ramifications, hard power, soft power, investigative power. our enemies are loving this. >> still ahead, our next guest says democrats have become the party of permissiveness, and that is ballot box poison. former ambassador and white house chief of staff under president obama. rahm emanuel, joins us next to explain. also ahead. >> side actionscript. >> that was beyonce breaking yet another record last night at the grammy awards. we'll talk about the top prize she took home and the night's other big moments. morning joe will be right back. >> i was. >> drowning in debt.

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democratic national committee has elected minnesota's party leader, ken martin, as its new chairman. martin easily clinched the chairmanship on the first ballot. here's some of what he said the party needs to do going forward. >> now, look. >> it's time for our party to do three things. first is to unite. we have to rebuild our coalition. we have to ignore the noise. we have to. focus with intensity. >> on the goal. >> ahead. which is winning.

elections to improve people's lives. second, we need to go on offense. trump's first weeks have. shown us that what happens when amateur hour. >> meets demolition derby, right? >> and at the same time, he's invited all. these billionaires. into the oval office to mine, extract and profit off. >> of our government. >> this is our time right now. it's the people's government. it's not another resource for ultra elites to exploit. lastly, and the third is we're going to take tonight to. enjoy the moment and we're going. >> to build. >> new alliances, but then we're going to get to work. >> joining us now, former congressman and white house chief of staff under president obama, rahm emanuel. he most recently served as the u.s. ambassador to japan under president biden. he has a new piece in the washington post entitled democrats have become the party of permissiveness. that is ballot box poison. >> ambassador, thank you so much

for being with us. we're going to talk about all of that in a second. but i want to start by talking about something that we're focusing on right now. and that is the purge that's going on right now inside the fbi. and the possibility of kash patel, who is promised purges, certainly not in his not in his hearings. but before that, with the media and with other people, with so-called deep state. well, you worked in two administrations. you've had to deal with some extraordinarily difficult situations regarding national security before. i am curious what what for? for somebody that has all the experience that you have, what is the impact of an administration conducting a purge inside a law enforcement organization and focusing inward instead of looking outward at the threats of al qaeda, isis, china, russia, iran, all of our

enemies. >> yeah. look, i mean, this is not a pop quiz show question. >> because we. >> actually have a test case of this. prime minister bibi netanyahu will be in the oval office tomorrow. and he tried exactly this strategy of going after the justice department in israel, going after the shin bet, the fbi equivalent, and it ended up with october 7th, the worst killing of jews since the holocaust in world war two. and we know how this plays out. now, the fbi can you can have a campaign of internal vengeance or external vigilance. and like in israel, the prime minister was warned that his our enemies are the enemies of israel. we're going to actually take advantage of israel off being off guard and off its game. and that's exactly what happened. and so here in this situation, as you just saw, china major telecom cyber attack in the united states, iran is doing the same thing on cyber attacks. north korea, russia, all of that effort. our our adversaries are

not letting their guard down, waiting for the united states to get together. and literally, i'm one example, when you talked about the record in when i was white house chief of staff, a young man in the intelligence agency picked up a word in a communication that did not make sense, and we all encouraged to track it down. it turned out to be a guy in colorado who afterwards we found bought 12 backpacks, was and a lot of chemicals, and was driving to new york to blow up the subways. and we caught him in new york. and that was a situation where either the fbi and the intelligence agencies are looking over their shoulder, worried about their jobs, worried about internal vengeance or externally focused and bringing our vigilance to its highest capabilities. it's a bureaucracy. the justice department, the fbi, the national security apparatus of the united states. it can either focus out externally and be vigilant or internally with vengeance, but it can't do both. and i think this is going to not

end well. and we've seen it play out before. you don't this is not as i said, it's not like a pop quiz. we have seen this before, this movie, and it doesn't end well and i don't i think this is a major, major problem for the united states. and whether it comes from russia, iran, al qaeda, isis, russia, north korea, you know, as you know, the old joke, paranoid people, they have enemies too. we have enemies. they are trying to harm the united states. this is a bad move from a national security perspective. >> mr. ambassador, good morning. let's let's turn to your your piece. now, you know, there has been democrats obviously sorting out, you know, the wreckage of the november elections. we just talked about the dnc elections over the weekend. you say, though, they're running into the trap of focusing too much on what's considered kitchen table issues. explain what you mean. >> no, what i what i said was we have this kind of in our mind's eye, this image of kitchen table issues that the only thing

families talk about are economics. well, they talk about who their kids are, what they're doing on social media, who their kids are friends are, what's going on in the neighborhood, whether it's safe in the community, what's being taught at school. there's a whole kind of what a basket of cultural issues. and the democratic party was successful under president clinton and president obama, two democrats that not only got elected and reelected since franklin delano roosevelt, they were very comfortable. president clinton talking about adding 100,000 community police officers versus defunding the police or calling police officers pigs. he took on the issue when it was talked about, kind of race on race, violence on sister souljah, and got attacked for it. president obama talked about parenting and the role and the responsibility of parenting. he had protesters calling him deporter in chief and the same groups, therefore, that were talking about free health care at the border if you crossed or using terminology

that nobody identified with, those were character building that permitted the rest of the message to get heard. we have a legitimate argument to make about economics. this turf war with canada is going to lead to excessive prices at the pump, because they supply a lot of energy to the united states in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. but to get heard, you have to be good on all the issues, not just the ones you want to talk about. now, the good news is, across the country, at the local level, democrats are actually hearing the message. it will eventually wash ashore in washington, d.c. to the democrats there. but this whole culture of permissiveness is a political and electoral loser. and you can see it play out in elections locally, from mayor to local da district attorney's races. and i think we have a case case. we have test cases with president obama, president clinton. and you cannot look, which is what the party looked like, like the

substitute teacher that can't control the classroom where we're actually benefiting, the kids that are shooting the spitballs. the party is bigger than any one of the constituencies. and that script got flipped in recent years, where it looks like any one of the constituencies, like at a volvo car factory, can stop the entire production if they don't like it. and that's not how president clinton and president obama not only one, but one reelection. and that's the key part of electoral politics. >> so, mr. ambassador. republican senators right now are really on the front lines of the imminent challenges that we are facing. there's so many different moves that president trump has made in the first 12, 13 days of his presidency. and i'm wondering the ones with tasks, with putting through the nomination of kash patel, tulsi gabbard, rfk jr. what should they be considering in their decision? well, whether yes or

no. >> well, here's i mean, look, this is a country of 350 million americans. that is really the best we can do and critical people that are going to control 150 million americans, not only health care through medicare and medicaid, but the price of drugs and pharmaceutical products, our national security that we were just talking about a second ago, that is the best and brightest that we can put forward. these are the people that have figured it out. i mean, i think, you know, in the question and i'll give you a classic question, you kind of know the answer in that area. this is these people are not the people you're going to turn the keys over to. and they should not be, because they're not ready for the responsibilities that are so essential, either from health care to looking at future drugs that are going to be important to dealing with diseases and illnesses that we have to our national security and coordination of our intelligence agencies, which are too siloed and they're not, and the individuals are not trusted. i mean, think of the simple thing. robert kennedy jr did not know

the difference between medicare and medicaid. it's 150 million americans get their benefits that way. that's like, you know, an eighth grader test. and he did not know that he is not qualified. he answered and showed that he was not qualified. i also think, though, in this classic example, you have and this was mentioned by an earlier person on the panel, you have basically two theories. when you put everything together. question a is this a co-equal, three co-equal branches of government with a checks and balances system in inherited it, or is it really a first among all equals? and that's a that's the fundamental kind of political question or the kind of legal question. then there's the obvious question about the politics. look at this. we're in week this week. there's not a question on this panel about immigration. this is always a shiny bauble to distract you. now look, you can either, you know, put in my in my view on this one is you can

either solve problems or try to score points, but you can't do just you can't do both of those in this effort. there's a way like on dealing with waste, fraud and abuse. inspector generals in 2023 identified $93.2 billion in savings. you spend a whopping 3 billion. now that's a place i would, as democrats go, fight. you want to have waste, fraud and abuse? let's implement those. in april 2023, the inspector general said the faa had not enough air traffic controller trainers. what are we doing about that? where are we going to go solve that problem? i don't like inspector generals. i was a mayor, i was chief. they're a pain, but they're good pain, not a bad pain. and if you want, rather than fight over usaid or whether you have access to the treasury, bring up those inspector general reports and have an up or down vote on them. there's $93 billion in savings right there. let's go. saddle up. let's have it.

>> former u.s. ambassador to japan under president biden, rahm emanuel. thank you. we'll be reading your new piece for the washington post. and please come back. it's good to see you. thank you very much. >> nice to see you. thank you. >> very much to have you on. all right. back in 1988, former president ronald reagan delivered his thanksgiving radio address to the nation. soon after the us-canada free trade agreement was signed, reagan praised canadians for rejecting protectionism and made a spirited defense for open trade when it was then under attack by some american politicians. >> our peaceful trading partners are not our enemies. they are our allies. we should. >> beware of the. >> demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends, weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world, all while cynically waving the american flag. the expansion of the international economy is not a

foreign invasion. it is an american triumph, one we worked hard to achieve and something central to our vision of a peaceful and prosperous world of freedom. >> stephanie ruhle i guess donald trump is no ronald reagan. >> listen, what we're going to get with tariffs is a tax on trade. you tax trade. you get less trade, you get higher prices. i remember a conservative party that was against increasing taxes. and that's exactly what we're going to get here. now. we'll see. donald trump is about to go into his negotiation mode. so we'll see what we'll get. but from our vantage point, at this point, this does not seem like a pro-business administration that wants to help the american people facing higher prices. >> stephanie ruhle, thank you so much. we'll be watching the 11th hour weeknights at 11 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. we appreciate your analysis. early this morning. coming up, we're going to go through the

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this is a shock, but i am now your host. >> that was comedian jim gaffigan jokingly replacing host trevor noah last night at the grammy awards in los angeles, a reference to an absolutely stunning swap in the nba over the weekend. the la lakers have traded 31 year old big man anthony davis to dallas as part of a three team deal in exchange for mavericks superstar luka doncic. the deal pairs doncic with lebron james in la and reunites him with his former teammate, lakers coach jj redick, while davis will head to dallas and pair up with kyrie irving there. let's bring in the host of pablo torre finds out on meadowlark media msnbc contributor pablo torre. pablo, it can't be said enough just how stunning this trade was. trades like this do not happen. luka is 25 years old. he's a top three year, five player in the league. >> i would go 3. >> to 3, a generational player. yes, i saw this news when i saw

this news happened out of nowhere. there were no rumors about it. it was a thunderclap late saturday night. i was too angry to sleep because this is another moment of. >> i got. >> your text at. >> 5 a.m. >> this. like i said, i was too angry to sleep for two reasons. first of all, because this was such a surprise, the mavericks didn't even shop luka doncic. no other team knew he was available. teams that could have put together better offers than the lakers did. and yes, this is my bias as a celtics fan coming through. it's another moment where a superstar is gifted to l.a. >> it's falling. >> out of the. >> sky, out of the keep them in contention for another decade or more. >> yeah. >> i want to sort. >> of introduce. >> luka doncic. >> to people who aren't. >> as preemptively. >> furious about this. >> the reason we are shocked and the reason why, i mean, again, it's such a funny, like, politically resonant story insofar as we all went on x and had to make sure this wasn't fake because it felt fake. luka doncic is the number one global superstar under the age of 25. i'm sorry, under the age of 30, he was 25 years old. he is a guy

who has been first team all nba five straight years, the former owner of the mavericks, who is not the current owner of the mavericks, mark cuban, once said when presented with the dilemma would you trade luka or keep your wife said, i would go to my lawyer's office and start drawing up divorce paperwork. so that is the type of guy that luka doncic is, and the fact that he was traded out of nowhere with no with no warning, no signal to a market of one, the los angeles lakers, like a pocket listing for a mansion is bizarre and also speaks to the new ownership. right. so another politically resonant aspect here. john, the owner of the of the dallas mavericks making this deal with the lakers, it's miriam adelson and her son and her son in law, patrick dumont. so this is the adelson family, the, you know. >> huge republican. >> how can you possibly understate their influence over the current administration? but this is just one of those stories where there are threads

going everywhere, and everybody is frustrated and confused. >> i know there conditioning concerns with luka, but he is still a top five player. we'll see his fit with lebron james. i suspect they'll figure it out. pablo, you've said a couple of times we had sports and news intersect over the weekend. well they did here to boos rang out during the us national anthem at pro sporting events across canada over the weekend and the nba. listen to it. fans in toronto loudly booed during the singing of the star-spangled banner yesterday, ahead of the raptors home game against the los angeles clippers. and there were similar reactions saturday night at nhl games played in ottawa, ontario and calgary, just hours after president trump made his threat of import tariffs a reality. i mean, this is a this is a real thing on so many levels, but including in the sports world, there are teams that are going to be impacted by this. and we hear the fans anger. >> this is not common. okay. i think the last time we really heard it was maybe the war in iraq. you would hear boos from from conscious canadian fans at the time. but it's a reminder,

john, that sports is not merely an entertainment product, the number one entertainment product in america. it's also a town hall meeting in which you get the collision of real world impacts being felt by people whose lives are materially changing. and one of those methods of communication is through the oldest gesture you could argue in in human history, the boo. and so this is a humiliation on top of real economic pain clearly being expressed in one of the ways that you can't quite spin or deny. >> yeah, let's boo the dallas mavericks ownership group to the host of pablo torre finds out on meadowlark media. pablo torre, pablo. thank you. we'll have you back later in the week to preview the super bowl. of course. going on coming up next sunday. and mika, there was a super bowl connection to last night's grammy awards because the halftime performer kendrick lamar cleaned up. >> yes he did kendrick lamar. it was also an historic night for beyonce at the 67th annual grammy awards in los angeles.

nbc news correspondent kaylee hartung was on the red carpet and has more from music's biggest night. >> carbon cowboy carter. >> it was a. >> big night for beyonce. >> at the grammys. >> one step to the right. >> her album. >> cowboy carter. >> wrangling the night's. >> top prize album of the year. >> and i hope we just keep pushing forward. opening doors. >> queen bee also. making history. >> cowboy carter. >> becoming the first black artist to win best country album. the award presented to her by fellow superstar taylor swift in the top song categories. kendrick lamar's scathing track not like us, winning five, including record and song of the year. >> nothing more powerful than rap music. >> the night, filled with electrifying performances from chappell roan, who won best new artist. >> i have company. keep on dancing. >> sabrina carpenter. >> i know that me is the song.

>> and cynthia erivo. there was also a moving medley dedicated to the late, legendary producer quincy jones, with stevie wonder leading the crowd in we are the world. >> we are the world. >> female rapper daca becoming just the third woman to win best rap album. >> i want to tell you, you can do it. anything is possible. >> i love that lady. >> there were also touching tributes to ella in the wake of the deadly wildfires in. >> can i found your dream? team. >> including first responders who received a standing ovation. >> nbc's kaylee hartung with that report. joining us now, founding partner of puck and former editor of the hollywood reporter, matthew matthew belloni. he's attended the grammy awards last night. and john heilemann, i'll let you take the first question. being a music aficionado, i will say,

though, beyonce looked genuinely surprised. >> i think she looked surprised. mika, i don't think that a lot of people maybe were. i think, you know, she was obviously due and there's been a kind of crime against her that she hasn't won that award in the past. and so i think there was a lot of there was the room was with her to win for cowboy carter and, and matt, i guess the question i have for you, my, my angelino brother out there and my and my colleague, you know, we could talk about kendrick. winning. i, you know, having a really massive night in a lot of ways. and i think that maybe the first diss track ever to win record of the year, to win record of the year while you're facing a defamation suit for that record, that's a special thing. but i think the la angle here, the la angle here is, is the one that's on my mind for hours. that show last night a difficult balance of trying to

like kind of be celebratory around the music industry but also mindful at all times and raise money for mindful of the tragedies that have befallen la with the fires and raised money for that. how did that feel in the room? do you think that that that that worked or was that awkward or how like what was the what was the vibe on on site? >> i think. >> it definitely. >> played in the room. >> and people. >> were in tears at one point in my section when they played that clip montage of some of the things that happened during the fire tragedies. they really nicely incorporated some kids into the we are the world segment of the quincy jones tribute kids, some local high schools. i think that was a really nice gesture. they did advertisements with stars of the music world for businesses in la that were impacted by the fires. they incorporated the firemen and the first responders into the final award of the night album of the year. so i think they it was enough where it was really a through line for the show, and they haven't announced

the number yet. i'm sure they made a lot of money in donations. >> the other thing, you know, again, the dominance of women in in our music world at this point, you know, to me it looked like watching last night if you looked at chaperon and dolce, they looked it felt to me like two stars were born. and it felt like you could feel that in the on tv, like the room was love. those performances, in addition to the fact that they both won the big grammys that they were up for, talk about the reception for dolce and for chaperon, both huge stars in the making, i think. >> yeah. and you can talk about the grammys as sort of a relic of the old music industry, but the grammys is still a gigantic platform, and you can emerge from the grammys with a whole new audience that didn't even know who you were. and i think chappell, roan and dolce are two artists that will probably get a big bump in awareness, in downloads, in everything from that show, because as much as

they were known in the music industry and have had great careers so far, there's still a whole bunch of people out there that just weren't aware, and they really they just blew the place out. i mean, they were great performances. the chapel road performance, i was looking at my row, everyone was like, wow, that was fantastic. that entire segment with the new, the best new artist performers. i mean, there were five, six performers in a row that are going to be the future of music, and it was a great idea for them to highlight those artists, because this happens to be a year when that entire category of best new artist was stacked teddy swims. i mean, they had ray, they had benson boone. i mean, these are all artists on the rise, and they really did a nice job highlighting that. >> matthew, talk about how by beyonce winning the award last night for doing a country and western song. talk about how that not only dealt with bringing some cross section

between race and country, because we've had charley pride, we had others. but also the musical mix here was a woman that had established herself as a megastar in other than country music when in the country award. and you see the coming together racially, but you also see where artists can cross over into a different type of music and get the record of the year. >> absolutely. i mean, this has always been this kind of albatross hanging over beyonce. she's already broken multiple records for grammy wins, but album of the year is considered the highest honor in the music business. she had been nominated four times prior and lost all four times to white artists. and here it is this, this, this genre bending country album. because it's not just country music on that album. it's all kinds of different music. it's been highlighted as country. and she just, she it was sort of time. i mean, there were i think

there were people in the room that were holding their breath. a lot of us in my section were like, oh, please win, because it would have just been it would have been another eye roller for the grammys. i think there might be some that criticize and say, well, of course she won for the album. that's more of a white person album where it's country music, where more of the white voters in the recording academy are going to vote for that. but i think beyonce kind of transcends that. and it was really just time she put out a great album. she's done this for now, 20 years, 25 years. it was time. >> it was time. founding partner of puck, matthew belloni. thank you so much for being on this morning. and john heilemann, thank you as well. and the third hour of morning joe continues right now. >> no, no, i'm not going to say we may have short term some little pain. and people understand that. but long term, the united states has been ripped off by virtually every

country in the world. so we're going to change that. we're going to change it fast. we're going to make america great again. we have to focus on our country. >> now, though, with the tariffs, president trump is making good on his threat to impose tariffs on three of the united states biggest trading partners mexico, canada and china. the president signed three executive orders on saturday, while also threatening to increase tariffs on any country that retaliates. that has sent u.s. stock futures plummeting. we're talking about 25% tariffs. the president's measures, set to take effect tomorrow, include a 25% tariff on mexican and canadian imports and a 10% tariff on chinese imports. trump says the tariffs are due to the three countries roles in the flow of fentanyl and undocumented immigrants to the u.s. in a social media post over the weekend, president

trump acknowledged americans might feel, quote, some pain. reaction has been scathing, with the financial times editorial board labeling the move absurd, while the wall street journal editorial board calls it the dumbest trade war in history. >> right now. the anchor of cnbc's worldwide exchange, frank holland frank, comparing the tariffs first term to second term are dramatically different. and as axios jim and mike allen's newsletter reports this morning. this year we're going primarily against our allies and some of our closest trading allies, canada and mexico. >> yeah. good morning to both of you. not only some of our closest, the two biggest trade partners for the us. i want to get to the market reaction first. we're seeing the major indices down more than 1% in the premarket right now. we had a number of money managers on the show and other people who, you know, represent business. i think the one word we continue to hear was uncertainty. a big reason for stocks trading lower

right now is the uncertainty. what happens next? will it be retaliation? we know that canada and mexico are planning some retaliation. we also know the president plans to speak to the leaders of those countries later today. a big question is will there be retaliatory tariffs coming from china? and what does this all mean long term? a lot of analysts believe that these tariffs will be short lived. others just aren't clear about what the path is going forward. the other big question bond yields this morning. we haven't seen a reaction from bond yields. but generally tariffs are seen to be inflationary. a lot of people are expecting so-called bond vigilantes to take action and move bond yields higher. we're also hearing from the newly confirmed treasury secretary later today about government funding. the question is how much will the government borrow? so a lot of uncertainty out there right now. we're seeing a sell off when it comes to automakers and companies with large international exposure, specifically companies that are tied to trade when it comes to mexico and canada think chipotle. they get a lot of avocados from mexico. think constellation brands, the maker of the very popular modelo beer. obviously, that beer comes from mexico. so broadly, uncertainty

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system, were made. treasury employees, passed government background checks and obtained the necessary security clearances. however, the musk representatives have yet to gain operational capabilities and no government payments have been blocked. however, this is unprecedented. meanwhile, the security leaders for the u.s. agency for international development are on administrative leave after trying to prevent musk's team from accessing u.s. aid systems. sources tell nbc news that musk's team tried to access personnel files and security systems, including classified systems, beyond the security level of at least some of the doj's employees. musk targeted the agency in his pursuit of trimming federal spending. yesterday, he posted on social media that it was time for the agency to die and accused the

independent agency without offering evidence of being a criminal organization. usaid provides humanitarian and development assistance to other countries, primarily through funds to non-governmental organizations, foreign governments, and international groups. in the fiscal year for 2023, usaid managed over $40 billion in appropriations, which is less than 1% of the federal budget. the top recipients of the funding included ukraine, ethiopia, jordan, and the democratic republic of congo and somalia. last night, president trump was asked about musk's work so far and the future of. usaid. >> i think elon is doing a good job with it and will not go where he wants to go, but i

think he's doing a great job. he's a smart guy, very smart, and he's very much into cutting the budget of our federal government. it's been run by a bunch of radical lunatics, and we're getting them out. usaid, run by radical lunatics, and we're getting them out. and then we'll make a decision. >> you know, jonathan lemire, it's hard really to know where to start here. first of all, on the u.s. aid, let's talk about u.s. aid for a second. here's an organization that that has fought hunger and starvation across the globe, that's fought diseases across the globe. jimmy carter helped use it to actually rid the world of some diseases that that again, across africa, across the world, have had massive impact. and i just have a quote here at the end of world

war two, just to talk about for anybody that might want to know why the united states engages in u.s. aid, it's not just charity. it is the ultimate soft power that allows america to have an advantage over china and russia in the third world, in the global south, because the united states is they're actually not just mining for, for, for, for minerals and precious metals, but also helping people. harry truman called in herbert hoover at the end of world war two, and there was the greatest humanitarian crisis the world had known. and herbert hoover, who truman had run against basically his entire adult life, said bare subsistence means hunger. hunger means communist. it means communism. and they they started they started a program to make sure that there was not starvation across europe and the rest of the world. and

so those that are cheering, all these things that we're talking about this morning, let's make no mistake about it, we're going to be talking about the gutting of the fbi, the fact that you, you, you have the trump administration actually looking inward to purge the fbi instead of looking outward at threats from al qaeda, threats at isis, threats from china. you can say the same thing about the pentagon. they're so busy running around trying to take generals pictures off the wall. they're going to take their their their eye off the ball. many people fear and on u.s. aid, make no mistake of it, we actually collect data. we collect intel across africa on al qaeda's growth, al qaeda's movement, what isis is trying to do there, what china is trying to do there. yes, there is the carrot, but there is also the stick for our enemies. that's why they're there. and to have the world's richest man go in and say, he's going to basically

tear this organization to the ground, not only will cause immeasurable suffering across the globe, it also will put us in a strategic disadvantage. this is strategic. what he's talking about doing is i'm sorry, it is stupid. and to try to vilify this organization so he can destroy it. that's not just bad for people who are suffering the poorest of the poor, the most disadvantaged and the most disadvantaged. just strategically, you talk to anybody in any or any administration and they will tell you it is just a stupid strategic move. but let's talk about the modeling of this, jonathan, because we had the freeze last wednesday of all government spending. on thursday, the judge put an injunction on it. and then there was a memo that said, oh, never mind, we're not going to have a freeze. and then on friday, i

believe the white house announces, no, no, no, the freeze is in full effect. and then a judge came back and said, okay, well, now it's obvious why this injunction has to hold. and then we have last week this freeze on u.s. aid. and then marco rubio said this from the times yesterday, soon after announcing the cutoff, the administration abruptly switched gears. rubio said that, quote, lifesaving humanitarian assistance would continue for, quote, core efforts to provide food and medicine, shelter and emergency need. that is not only not happening right now. elon musk is going in there. they're they're basically, you know, doing everything but breaking down the doors and gaining access to access to classified information. he's not even a government employee. and again, my question is when are the courts going to step in. and also when are members of

congress? yeah, republicans who are in charge, who authorized all of these all of these programs, voted for all of these programs, authorized all of these programs, appropriated money for all these programs, which the constitution of the united states gives them the power to do. when are they going to stand up and go, wait, wait a second. this is this is not your power. we are still three co-equal branches. talk about that and also talk about the muddle, the muddled message. one day the freeze is in effect. the next day they say the freeze is not in effect. one day the u.s. aid freeze is in effect. the next day, marco rubio says, oh, no, the humanitarian assistance moves forward, and then the next day, well, no, it doesn't look like it is now. musk is going on on twitter and just saying completely unfounded, crazy things about u.s. aid. >> yeah, a lot to get through here, joe, starting with this foreign policy analyst texted me over the weekend saying, you know who u.s. aid's biggest

opponent might be? vladimir putin, because putin understands that it is helpful both in terms of, yes, there's a humanitarian element to this. there's america being the shining city on the hill. we're supposed to uplift our neighbors across the globe. but also there's a real strategic purpose as a bulwark against china. yes, against russia. and now elon musk says that agency that has done so much good needs to die, declaring that it is evil. we have seen him and his cronies at the treasury department going trying to access classified information, sensitive information not just about federal employees, but everyday citizens. has elon musk been confirmed by the senate? no. has anyone at d.o.j. been confirmed by the senate? no. it's not even clear what exactly a federal agency this is. it's still a quasi group. we're still being written up as to what it is, and yet they're already moving into some of the most sensitive areas in government. and it's taken in tandem, as you mentioned, with this purge at the fbi, not just of agents who investigated the trump cases, but potentially any

agent they're investigating, any fbi personnel who had anything to do with any january 6th case. we have the as you mentioned, the freeze and the mixed messaging there. we even have a release of water from a california reservoir, water not needed to combat the los angeles fires, which are now thankfully contained. but just because donald trump last week had said he was going to do something, so they reverse engineered it and instead put water. >> and jonathan, jonathan, let's just talk about the common denominator here. and again, we will tell you, for those of you that don't know the constitution of the united states, we and maybe you haven't read it, or maybe you never saw schoolhouse rock to know exactly how this stuff breaks down. yeah, but congress funds these organizations. they negotiate with the white house, they come up with a plan. then the white

house signs the bill. it becomes law, and the funding goes out there. this again, just because you have an administration that wills it to be so says, oh, we don't need to do that anymore. we can just do all the cutting. now, there's nothing in the constitution that remotely says that. we'll see what the article three branch the courts will do. i'm quite confident that the courts will actually say, well, this is so cut and dry. the constitution doesn't allow for this. i'm wondering, though, when republicans in the first branch will say we're we're equal powers here. and you, you you want to talk about us aid? we'll do that when we negotiate next time when we that goes through our subcommittees and then our committees and then the floor of congress and then to the senate. and then we come up with a bill, we send it to you, and you decide to either sign it or veto it. that's not happening. so there are a lot, a lot of these questions about how

these two branches of government are going to respond. but jonathan, let's underline something that. is good for every republican in washington, d.c, including donald trump, to know, to hear and to understand on what elon musk is doing right now and what other people are doing right now. when you got us aid. and this is a truth every president has known, you are actually taking comfort away from the poorest and the most disadvantaged people on the face of the earth, and you are providing comfort to our enemies, whether it's al qaeda that's trying to make gains across africa, going south of sudan, trying to spread their hateful ideology, whether it is isis who also is moving aggressively to try to foothold across africa, whether we're

talking about throughout the middle east, wherever we're talking about and the big winners, as you've said, big winners are china, the big winners are russia, the big winners are al qaeda. the big winners are isis. the big winners of the united states doing this are all the people who wish us ill. and nowhere is this more true than in the gutting of the fbi, where you actually have an administration looking inward to carry out a purge of the fbi. right? doing that, instead of looking outward at all the threats from al qaeda in the united states, all the threats from isis in the united states, all the all the cyber security threats from china across the united states for american citizens, all the cyber security threats from russia, from iran, who has said they

want to strike the united states, they want to kill americans. they've said that. and so you're gutting the fbi. you're firing all these people across, you know, possibly one third, one fourth of the workforce and your most experienced people for political reasons. you're doing that. the winner are our enemies, those people who seek to do harm to america and to kill american citizens. you are so. >> right on two points. one, this is helping our adversaries, not our allies. also, these tariffs further alienating our allies to the point where the us national anthem being booed at sporting events in canada over the weekend. and secondly, we know what the constitution says, and the trump administration is trying to defy it. that's sort of the point of how muddled this all is, is they want to confuse and they want to say, try to stop us. we think the courts will back us up. so, ali, the question is, is the other branch

of government going to do anything? elon musk said over the weekend, well, i'm paraphrasing here, but more or less said it's easy to get work done when your opponents take the weekend off. and we have seen, first of all, a lack of cohesive response from democrats who seem a little slow here on most issues, but also republicans who do have majorities, who do have the ability to say, look, actually, these programs have been in place for decades. they've had bipartisan support. there are even national security reasons to keep them going. but yet so far, they seem completely muted and afraid to stand up to trump and musk. is there any way that changes? >> yeah. i mean, we started the program talking about how when power is given, people don't just willfully give it back. and yet we're watching in congress the very central power of the purse that congress has had forever. they're now seemingly okay, especially the majority party, with giving it over to the white house and the trump administration on this. look no further than the fact that elon musk went on x overnight. did a spaces held court online, and

with him was senator joni ernst, who was effectively backing him up when he said that he wanted to get rid of usaid. she made the point that she said, we want to help starving children effectively in other countries, but that they're afraid the money is not going where it's supposed to be going. the way that usaid does its work is it funds non-governmental organizations that then funnel the money where it needs to go into any of the number of these countries that usaid helps. what joe is talking about here is the hearts and minds approach to national security. and so, yes, democrats have been flat footed in some cases or aggressive in others in pushing back against this administration. but when you're in the minority, it's hard to affect change, especially if no one in the majority party is willing to cross party lines and stand with you. so we've seen it on everything from the gutting of these kinds of agencies, the attempts to try to eliminate these agencies, which, by the way, you need congress to actually do, you can't just

stroke of a pen wipe an agency off a map. and we've also seen it then when it comes to basic things like nominations, the idea that they're going along with elon musk and doge when that is not actually a federal agency, and it's not someone who has to go before the senate and be confirmed, is just further underscoring the fact that senators and house members seem happy to farm out the central functions of their work to the federal government. and that was always going to be one of the key tests in the early days of this administration. i think we're getting our answer at this point. >> coming up, russian president vladimir putin spent years attacking rebel forces in syria. now he's looking to cut a deal with them. we'll talk about the kremlin's attempt to salvage its military bases inside that country. when morning joe comes right back. >> strange brew. killing what's inside of you. says she's a

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nine on msnbc. >> the reaction from the three countries. president trump is imposing tariffs on has been swift. the president of mexico, posting on social media saturday night that she had instructed her secretary of the economy to implement what she calls their plan b, which includes tariff and non-tariff measures in defense of mexico's interests. meanwhile, canadian prime minister justin trudeau announced canada would impose a 25% tariff right back on canadian exports to the us, affecting more than $106 billion worth of american goods ranging from beer and wine to household appliances and sporting goods. joining us now, canada's former deputy prime minister chrystia freeland, who has called trump's new tariffs, quote, an act of

economic warfare. she is the former foreign and financial minister to canada, and she's running to succeed trudeau as prime minister. it's great to have you back on the show, chrystia. i think, first of all, it'd be great if you could explain the impact of these tariffs on both sides. >> well, great to be with you, mika. look, this really is utter madness. and, you know, from our perspective, the key thing here is you guys are engaged in this colossal act of self-harm. these tariffs are going to make life more expensive for americans. you have put a tariff on the gas we sell you. so gas is going to be more expensive. you have put a tariff on the food that you are buying. that's a tax on groceries. they're going to be more expensive. we have now the united steelworkers, the

american farm bureau, the chamber of commerce all saying this is going to hurt america. stock futures are down. you are hurting yourselves. you are taxing regular americans. and we are going to fight back. and canada is your biggest market. canada is a bigger market for u.s. exporters than china, japan, the uk and france combined. for americans like your business people, right? the customer is always right and your customer is really angry at you. the whole country is behind the retaliation the prime minister has announced. so now we are going to tax american exporters who are trying to sell us stuff. that means americans are going to lose jobs. so this is really it is self-mutilation. america is hurting itself. we think that it is utterly crazy. and we're also really, really angry at you.

>> so, madam deputy prime minister, i was really struck when prime minister trudeau spoke over the weekend, the sense of betrayal that he expressed, that we have been there with the u.s. he was saying, i'm paraphrasing every step of the way, even in times of need. and now this is coming out of nowhere. elaborate on that, please. and also, just more specifically, just remind viewers just how closely linked these two nations are, particularly whether it's people or goods going back and forth across the border, sometimes multiple times a day. >> the prime minister has been great. and i have to tell you, the whole country is rallying behind him. we all feel personally hurt, and that hurt is now becoming anger. you know, we pride ourselves on being a polite, nice country. but at the raptors game last night, the american anthem was booed at a senator's hockey game over the weekend. the american anthem was booed because we do feel like we are your friends. we're your

neighbors. we are your allies, and you guys are really lucky to have us on your northern border. the fact that you have this safe, secure, friendly country on your northern border is foundational to american prosperity. and now you're slapping us in the face. i mean, the tariffs against canada are higher than the tariffs imposed against china. what's going on here, guys? >> it's ali vitali, i have a question for you in regards to the way that these tariffs have been put on, the trump administration is saying that it's because they want to stem the flow of fentanyl through borders as well as illegal immigration. but in your conversations and in the conversations that these governments are having, do you have a sense of what the canadians would even have to say to get these tariffs removed and appease the administration? >> well, thank you for the question, ali. and the fact is it is these tariffs are being

imposed truly, for utterly no reason. the pretext offered is the flimsiest pretext possible. less than 1%, in fact, around 0.2% of the fentanyl that comes into the us comes through the canadian border. if border security were the issue, this could be solved in five minutes. we want a secure border to we would like to stop the illegal us guns that are smuggled into canada and cause deaths on canadian streets, and we are very happy to work together to not have asylum seekers cross in either direction. the president has also directly threatened our national sovereignty. he has said over the weekend that if we were to become the 51st state, there would be no tariffs. canadians really, really, really are angry about that. and i do want to say we want to be your friend. we want to be your

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>> this morning. there are growing concerns about a purge within the fbi bureau. employees have been instructed to complete a questionnaire by today about their involvement in any criminal cases related to the january 6th capitol attack. it is the latest sign that the trump administration plans to deliver on its promise to make dramatic changes within the fbi. on friday, at least eight senior fbi executives were told by the trump administration to resign or they would be fired, nbc news has learned. the fbi's acting director also was told to turn over the names of every fbi employee involved in investigating the january 6th rioters, but he pushed back, promising agents he would follow the law and existing fbi policies. ryan riley, who covers

the justice department and federal law enforcement for nbc news, joins us now, along with nbc news national security editor david rhode. he's the author of the book where tyranny begins. the justice department, the fbi, and the war on democracy. >> well, david, it seems just given the title of your book and the work that you've been doing, you're a good place to start there. there are. i've talked to agents, and i've also talked to people that have served in other administrations, many not fans of the fbi at all, for their own personal reasons, saying that what's going on right now is horrifying. it is their words in the best interest, not of the united states, but in the best interest of al qaeda, of isis, of china, of russia, of criminal

gangs, of drug empires, you name it. anybody that seeks to do america ill. what what what we've been hearing throughout the weekend is this is their dream that you have an administration that is focused on looking inward in the fbi instead of looking outward at all of the different forces, malevolent forces that want to hurt america, that want to kill americans. and there are many and want to destroy this country. >> i can't describe to you how unusual all this in is. what a chaotic weekend it was. i want to thank ryan, who's right here with us and other nbc reporters. tom winter, ken dilanian, jonathan dienst, mike kosner fielding calls and emails from panicked fbi agents. we talked to a penn state historian who tracks the history of the fbi. he said, this is uncharted

waters, waters and a wholesale effort to eliminate the independence of the fbi by a political leader. and this all goes back to j. edgar hoover and massive reforms that were enacted again 50 years ago to make the fbi independent from elected officials who could interfere or direct them in terms of criminal prosecutions and criminal investigations. so it's extraordinary. and just the last point, this is all about january 6th. the questionnaire you mentioned asking fbi agents, then they have to answer until today, did you investigate the january 6th riots is just unprecedented. the fbi agents association is urging some of them to not answer if they can, but to remain calm. but essentially, it's an argument from the sitting president that it was wrong to investigate the january 6th riot at the u.s. capitol, that it was wrong and

improper, and anyone who did so should be removed from the fbi. >> i mean, ryan, that's such an extraordinary statement. this is the biggest investigation in doj history. these people, agents who were assigned, you know, it's not like they willingly chose necessarily. and it could lead to just gutting of the of the bureau. so talk to us a little bit more about that, but also a few of those who are trying to step in the breach and hold this back. the acting director right now also we're seeing out of the new york field office. >> yeah. the jerries, i think, is his nickname that people have been going with. and there's a lot of support within, i think, the bureau for how he handled that. although, you know, remember there the fbi is a very, i think, ideologically diverse institution. and there are a lot of donald trump supporters within it and people who have these grievances against the fbi, who have complained for a very long time about it. so that's, you know, just the reality of it. i think, you know, it's sort of crazy if you go back ten years, just the way we talk about the fbi now, as though some sort of liberal haven. but the truth is, it's a conservative leaning law enforcement organization. and i think that that's, you know, sometimes can get sort of lost

in this. and, you know, there were people within the fbi who were not very enthusiastic about these january 6th cases altogether. i think, you know, the ones that were about assaulting police officers individually. i think broadly there is support for those. but, you know, they definitely had their issues with with the way the justice department was approaching this, there were plenty of fbi prosecutors, rather doj prosecutors who thought, you know, had told me directly that they thought the fbi was half assing a lot of these investigations, weren't putting all of their effort into it. so that's, you know, that's the reality, i think, across the bureau more broadly. but this really is a remarkable moment because, you know, anyone who touched a january 6th case has to fill out that form, whether you're enthusiastic about it, whether you were one of the key, you know, fbi folks who did this or whether you just had some sort of involvement in an arrest. right. you need to sort of do a show of force and, and make sure that someone's taken into custody efficiently and effectively and safely. and that's when a lot of people get involved in those. so, you know, this is a huge number of agents and fbi employees that you're talking about here. and just to have it be this personal

grievance of the president, because he doesn't like that some of his buddies were locked up. who he's been hearing about is, you know, from having these direct communications with with the january 6th committee, i think is pretty, pretty remarkable and really does it's i think it's a real historic moment for the fbi here. >> brian, i think that timing is so important, the fact that you start seeing the beginnings of this purge after kash patel does his confirmation hearing on capitol hill, but the pushback that you and david are talking about here from agents, including the acting director right now, what does that portend for if kash patel gets confirmed, if he does what he said he wouldn't do during his hearing, but he said a lot before he got before the senate that he would enact retaliation against people who worked against the president. what does that portend for him being able to enact that agenda, if people within the agency are pushing back even now? >> yeah, i mean, i think kash patel said all the right things during the hearing and the question was going back and forth was, was this the podcast pro persona or was this his

actual thing? was he just trying to sell those books to call donald trump king? right. like that was we're trying to figure out exactly where things land. and these are a lot of people that he knows. right. that was a question that senator booker asked during this, you know, asked him if he knew all these individuals who are now being put into these weird roles within the fbi. and that's really, really unusual, because typically you only have that one official who's sort of has an appointment, and it was supposed to be this ten year term. and, you know, that's not the way this has worked out for the past two fbi directors, one of whom was fired by trump, one of whom was preemptively pushed out by trump. he i think he really is sort of remaking the bureau or trying to remake the bureau to be something that he can get fully behind and not be worried about going after any of his buddies. >> coming up, our next guest says president trump's tariffs amount to a declaration of economic war. peter baker joins us with his latest analysis in the new york times. morning joe the new york times. morning joe is back in a moment.

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>> all right. a live look outside rockefeller plaza. welcome to the fourth hour of morning joe. it is 6 a.m. on the west coast. 9 a.m. in the east. welcome back to morning joe. president trump is facing backlash this morning after signing sweeping new tariffs on three of the united states biggest trading partners mexico, canada and china. this as this morning, there are growing concerns about a purge within the fbi. nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett hake has the latest. >> reporter overnight, president trump defending. >> those sweeping. >> new tariffs. >> we may have short term some little pain and people understand that. but long term the united states has been ripped off by virtually every country in the world. >> mr. trump. >> imposing 25% tariffs on most imports from canada and mexico. that could impact everything from oil and lumber to produce and. >> auto parts.

>> he also. >> ordered a 10%. >> tariff on all. >> chinese goods. >> this will be even. >> key republicans. >> sounding the alarm about. >> the impact. >> to. >> americans wallets. >> it will drive the. >> cost of. >> everything up. in other. >> words, it'll be. paid for by american consumers. why would you want to get in a fight with your allies over this? >> canada's prime minister. >> warning americans. will feel the pain. >> tariffs against against. canada will. >> put your. >> jobs at risk. >> while canadian crowds at. >> sporting events this. >> weekend booed during. >> the u.s. >> national anthem. >> it comes. >> as a government purge continues. >> to escalate. >> including six senior leaders. >> at the fbi. >> fired friday. >> and the. >> top two security. >> officials at the u.s. >> agency for international development. >> were. >> also placed on. >> administrative leave. >> five sources. >> say, after they tried to prevent. employees from the elon musk. >> led department. >> of government. efficiency from. >> accessing sensitive. >> computer systems. >> musk saying overnight. >> that he's. >> in the. >> process of shutting down.

>> the agency, which coordinates the us's overseas humanitarian assistance. >> adding the. >> president approves. >> i went over it with. >> him. >> you know, in detail. >> and he agreed. >> with all as his agency may be. >> gaining even. >> more power. >> the new york times reporting. >> according to five. >> sources. >> that some of musk's. >> team has. >> gained access. >> to the federal payment system. >> that system. >> sends out money after. >> it's approved. >> by. >> congress and. contains sensitive information. >> from millions of. >> americans who get federal payments, like. >> social security checks. >> that's nbc's garrett hake with that report. i'm jonathan lemire. >> whoa. >> elon musk says he's going to shut down the u.s. aid agency. he has as much constitutional right to do that as i do. shut down the new york yankees. now, i'd like to shut down the new york yankees. >> yeah. >> the new york yankees need. the new york yankees need to be shut down. and in fact, there is

no constitutional prohibition for me. cutting shutting down the new york yankees. however, the u.s. aid agency was created by the article one branch of the constitution congress. they are funded through appropriation bills and authorization authorization bills that are then signed by the president of the united states. and that's how that works. so when elon musk goes, i'm going to shut down an entire agency. >> yeah. >> that again created by congress, funded by congress, appropriated funds by congress. and he says, yes, sorry. let's just be very clear here under the constitution. he has no right to do that. so the

question is, who is going to bring a lawsuit to file an injunction, have a judge file an injunction to say, can't do that, it's unconstitutional. if you want to cut funding, well, there's an appropriations process and you can actually work with congress to cut that funding in your negotiations for next year. >> president trump doesn't have the authority to do it. certainly elon musk does not. who does not actually work for the government? doge, his agency is still in theory rather than an actual thing. again, congressional approval needed to create an agency as much as it is to disband one, you know, and musk has not been senate confirmed. no one who works for him has. and yet right now, where we are is that there are an email sent out by a musk staffer telling people to not show up at that agency today. and this is endangering u.s, not

just humanitarian outreach across the globe, but also our soft power. and it's a move that is being cheered by the likes of china and russia, who understand the potency of this organization. so, yes, there's been a lot of outrage online over the weekend. we had musk talk last night in this x spaces that trump has signed off on the idea to shut this down. so today we wait and see. there's scheduled to be some protests at the agency headquarters in washington this morning. we would anticipate there'd be some litigation lawsuits filed perhaps by members of congress, democrats or other organizations to try to keep the agency going and combat what musk is doing. but this is an extraordinary amount of overreach. and it's not just limited to that agency. trump staffers at the treasury department right over the weekend as well, trying to get access to sensitive information about both government employees and civilians alike. and yet we need this is the moment where there needs to be some sort of

bulwark rallying cry against that to we're looking to democrats for that to happen. >> well, i mean. >> it's democrats. >> it's unconscionable. >> and republicans too. >> and republicans, i mean, it's unconstitutional. know this republicans. article one gives them the power. they're the ones that do the funding here. there there is no and we wanted one. when i was in congress, we wanted a line item veto to give presidents the power to draw a line through parts of agencies, parts of programs that they didn't. we don't have a line item veto. some governors do, but we don't have it in washington, d.c. this isn't constitutional. let's bring in our chief white house correspondent for the new york times, peter baker. peter, i mean, there's so much to talk about here. we also, of course, have the executive director of the mccain institute, doctor evelyn farkas. she's a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia and also special correspondent for vanity fair and host of fast politics

podcast, molly jong-fast. i'm going to talk really fast because there's so much to talk about. and, peter, i want to start with you. first of all. i mean, this isn't a close call. like a guy, this dude, even if he's the richest guy in the world, he does not have the power to go. we're going to shutter an agency that is created by congress, authorized by congress, funded by congress, which which, you know, which actually helps america with soft power across the planet, helps us actually keep track on al qaeda, whether it's in the ivory coast or across africa, helps us keep track on isis, helps helps us do so much. that's actually it's not just good for us, good for them. strategically, it is the smart thing to do. and for our friends that that are just waking up on the west coast this morning, i talked about how herbert hoover was called to the white house by harry truman. harry truman, who had attacked

herbert hoover his entire political life. he said, you know how to organize things really well. listen, we have a humanitarian crisis post-world war two, and hungry mouths, hungry stomachs lead to communism. get out there and make sure america. foreign aid goes all across europe and the world. because we have to win this war strategically. lot for you to talk about. peter. i want to start though, with with like this private citizen deciding he's going to just bust into the treasury department, gain access to all of our most, most personal information and got access. i'm going to break in to u.s. aid, going to get access to top security clearance. and again, he's a private citizen. i'm curious, what is the response going to be, not just from democrats on capitol hill, but from republicans who know this is unconstitutional?

>> well, it's. >> a real test of the test of the system, obviously, joe, look, how many times have we said, well, we've never seen anything quite like this before. well, we've never seen anything quite like this before. we're seeing basically an. >> all out. >> assault on the federal government by the person that we elected to lead it, and the person we didn't elect to lead it. of course, his billionaire patron, elon musk, who gets billions of dollars from the federal government and now is going around with a great deal of carte blanche, obviously dictating changes that go, as you say, beyond what the system allows. you're right that an agency created by congress can only be abolished by congress. and we're going to see what the republicans say about this today, obviously. do they defend their own prerogatives as leaders and members of congress? it used to be, joe, when you were there, even when you had a president of your own party, that members of congress and leaders of congress cared about the, you know, co-equal branch of government. they cared about separation of powers, cared about the idea that the legislature had its role. peter, can i. >> ask you a follow up question

really quickly? because i'm really curious, where do we stand? because on the spending freeze, president trump announced it on wednesday. on thursday, a federal judge said, no, can't do that. going to put an injunction in place. on friday, white house spokesperson said well, actually, yes, it is in full force and effect. then the judge came back and goes, okay, thank you for that insight. okay, now we really are keeping the injunction in place. where are we with that? so there's the ambiguity. is there a federal spending freeze or not. and also on u.s. aid they came out with a spending freeze. then marco rubio came out the next day, secretary of state, and said, okay, but this does not apply to humanitarian assistance, whether it's for food, for medical supplies. et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. and yet it seems like actually it does. and they're going to shut down the entire agency. so on those two areas, a lot of ambiguity. what can you tell us on where we are? >> yeah, we're all over the map

on this. you're right. the federal judge has said that they cannot simply freeze spending on these grants and loans up to $3 trillion, according to the trump white house. and yet you heard, as you say, caroline leavitt, say no, the freeze is still in effect. stephen miller on fox news saying, yeah, we're not really paying much attention to that. we're going forward. so i think we're going to see that litigated even further. remember what jd vance said a couple of years back in a podcast when he was not yet the vice president, but he was talking about the prospect of trump coming back to office. he said that trump should go ahead and just start firing people and doing all kinds of things and let the courts say what they're going to say. and then and then then demand that the courts enforce it. remember the old andrew jackson line? you know what? you know who you know. you know, the chief justice, john marshall, has made his decision. now let him enforce it. we're going to see whether or not this white house and this administration take the court seriously, because the courts are going to be involved in this pretty, pretty deeply. it's hard to imagine that an agency can be shut down without a court jumping in and saying, that's not the power of the executive to do, given how, you know,

given what they just did last year on the chevron case and so forth and so on, in terms of their care about the prerogatives of the legislature. well, this is about as big a prerogative as the legislature has. >> yeah. we're seeing doctor vargas so wide ranging and want to talk to us about the impact, if you will, of what trump is doing right here on two fronts cutting the aid. you're destroying an agency that we know has had such impact, both in terms of humanitarian good, but also national security overseas, but also the tariffs, you know, mexico and canada are two of our closest allies and friends. or is what he doing actually not just splintering our long held alliances, but perhaps driving nations into the arms of russia or particularly china? >> yeah. i mean. >> when president trump campaigned, he talked about america first, and he made it sound like america could be a leader on the international stage, but instead, what he's doing is retrenching in the most destructive and frankly, cruel fashion. you know, freezing

foreign assistance means that people lose their lives. i don't need to go into the details. and peter has done a great job, and a lot of other journalists have to covering what happens, the area where actually there's the greatest danger right now in terms of really closing down organizations. forget usaid and the agency. the congress will have to sort that out. but there are organizations that rely on the money from the us government to do democracy work, to support freedom fighters who are fighting against autocrats in venezuela, belarus, korea, you know, all around the world. we want them to do this work because it will make the united states stronger. we want to defeat our adversaries so that we can have our economic progress sustained through trade. the tariffs. again, why would you take on your allies? you should put pressure on china. you should put pressure on russia, iran, north korea. the targets are wrong. we need we need, frankly, canada and mexico to ally with us against the adversaries china, russia, etc. so it's all backwards and

counterproductive. and of course, the american consumers will suffer. >> well, american consumers will suffer. exactly. there will be inflation. but you know, molly, let's just put us to the side. the moral concerns, there are grave moral concerns about what's happening with u.s. aid. but let's. just talk strategy for a second on two things. 1 or 3 things. i've got three things really quickly. one, on shutting down u.s. aid. i mean, we use our u.s. aid, as i said before, to help us with soft power, to help us strategically, to help us chase down al qaeda, to help us get insight and intel on isis, on what china is doing on the continent. you look at the fbi, a purge inside of the fbi. who's chairing that al qaeda, isis, drug gangs, china, russia, spies that are going to be able to run rampant in the united states because they're looking

inward and starting a war there. and finally, on these tariffs. listen, you you don't have to be smart economics to know this pushes the. >> 25% tariffs. >> this pushes the eu. this pushes canada. this is pushes mexico into the arms of china and say okay, well if the united states is going to do this, let's figure out how to deal more with china. so all of these seem to help those who consider the united states an enemy. >> well, these are. >> the unintended. >> consequences, right? >> i mean, part of this was and that's the thing, i think that a lot of us should be the most worried about are the unintended consequences here. look, the intention here was. always to strip down the federal government. they wrote about it in project 2025 to remove nonpartisan government actors and replace them with loyalists. that was always the play, right? to strip it down to the studs to do what elon did with x to the federal government. and that's

what we're witnessing in real time. the unintended consequences of it, we don't know yet, and they will likely be far larger than any of us can calculate. >> yeah. and on these tariffs, there certainly hasn't been any organized republican opposition to them. but we are starting to see a few, shall we say, individual concerns being voiced. senator grassley of iowa, just a few moments ago, tweeted that he pleads with president trump to exempt potash, which is an element used in fertilizer from the tariff because family farmers, meaning those in iowa, get most of our potash from canada. so we'll have to see if his voice is joined by other republicans, perhaps to get trump to rethink some of these sweeping measures. >> all right. so let's see here. if you're. scoring at home, he's concerned about potash. >> potash. >> but but. >> not but not groceries for consumers. no not not not not

gas prices. not al qaeda and isis and spies from china and russia running, running wild in the united states. if there's a purge inside the fbi. potash. okay. good to know that. >> check that one off. check that off. >> i will say, mika in 15 minutes. the markets are opening up. right? right now they're down about 630 points in futures. >> as we heard in garrett hicks report, there are growing concerns of a purge within the fbi bureau. employees have been instructed to complete a questionnaire by today about their involvement in any criminal cases related to the january 6th capitol attack. on friday, at least eight senior fbi executives were told by the trump administration to resign or they would be fired. and nbc news has learned the fbi's acting director was also told to

turn over the names of every fbi employee involved in investigating january 6th rioters. but he pushed back, promising agents that he would follow the law and existing fbi policies. so joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi, frank figliuzzi, he's a senior. msnbc national security and intelligence analyst. good to have you both. >> thank you guys so much for both being here. ken, let's start with you. i'm sure you've been talking like me to people inside and outside of government, people inside and outside of the fbi and actually some politicians and former politicians, no fan of the fbi still saying the purge that's going on right now is disastrous because as i've said before, and i heard it from them all

weekend, al qaeda cheers this on. spies from china will cheer this on. spies from russia will cheer this on. iran will cheer this on. because if our politicians and the administration is looking inward to purge, they're not looking outward and they're taking their eye off the ball to, you know, to get to get the bad guys. >> what's the very latest right now? >> well. >> that's an. >> important point. you just made joe and mika, because. >> that's what i'm being. >> told by people inside the fbi. >> is that national security. >> here is implicated. >> but i got to tell you guys, it's not only that there is a purge being attempted by the trump administration, but what's. extraordinary is that fbi. top fbi. >> officials are. >> resisting, openly resisting. >> let me. >> just read you. >> from. >> an email that was sent by. >> the assistant director in charge of the. >> new. >> york field office yesterday. >> his name is james dennehy. he sent. >> this extraordinarily blunt. email to. >> his staff. >> challenging the trump

administration. he said, today we find ourselves in the middle of a battle. >> of our. >> own as good people are being walked out of the. fbi and others are being targeted because they did their jobs in accordance with the law. >> and fbi policy. >> and we have this extraordinary reporting from over the weekend that the acting director of the fbi, who was installed by the trump administration, brian driscoll, forcefully pushed back on a plan to fire much larger than the number of people they've already fired right now of agents who had worked on the january 6th cases. and he refused to do it. and he pushed back so adamantly that people were afraid he was going to be fired. now, as far as we know, as of now, he is still in place, but he is not a maga person, we're being told. and so he is resisting carrying out these orders, which are being viewed as essentially a retribution campaign. so you have a situation now where eight top officials have been forced out. but the fear is that many, many more agents, particularly those who worked on january 6th cases, will be shown the door because of this survey that you

mentioned, where everyone who has been identified, who has worked on january 6th cases and there were 2400 january 6th investigations. so we're talking about as many as 5000 fbi personnel. all of those people have been sent to survey, where they've been asked to explain exactly what they did on january 6th cases. and so the fear is that many of these people are going to be fired. now, the other thing to understand about this is that legal experts say it's not legal to fire these people. they're career civil servants. they have to be afforded due process. and actually, the acting fbi director, in one of his messages to the workforce, he said that he said, look, we have procedures in place. if you're accused of misconduct, you have a right to a hearing. you can't just be walked out of the building. but yet we're continually hearing that those are the plans that entire squads may be walked out of their field offices. so i got to tell you, there's a lot going on. the usaid stuff is very troubling, but this is the nation's foremost law enforcement agency. the people we rely on to protect us from terrorist attacks. and they are in turmoil. they are

reeling right now. they're in a battle for the soul of the fbi. >> so, frank, your thoughts on this and on those who are pushing back. >> yeah, it's this is quite a battle and we've never seen anything like this as it plays out. look, there's a lot of agents as have been referenced in the field who've never had any great love for headquarters. and if you tell them, hey, we walked out, all the executive assistant directors, they kind of shrug and go, yeah, okay, i don't care. now this. >> is reaching, as ken. >> said, the potential of thousands of fbi field agents being walked out simply because they worked an assigned case. this is sending the message that you will never open a case that the white house doesn't care for. and this has gotten the field energized on this. so if trump was thinking, i'm going to somehow get rid of some folks and i'm going to own the fbi, they're going to be with me.

he's lost that and the potential that kash patel would be walking into an agency that is totally demoralized and against him is now quite high. and as joe mentioned, our adversaries would spend tens of millions of dollars for an operation that created this kind of chaos at the fbi. lastly, look, this makes america less safe. you've goayers upon layers of management. and now possibly the best agents in the field, thousands of them potentially, who are no longer available. there's no continuity of operations at any given time. the fbi is tracking multiple terror plots in this country. and god help us if one of those terror plots is in an office where multiple layers of management and multiple layers of star agents have been removed, you think the tragedy in d.c. and the plane crash with no one home at the faa? faa was tragic. and it was. if we're looking at a terror attack because no one's home at the fbi, then that's on trump.

>> and again. well, it's actually it's also on republicans in the senate. they have a decision to make on who's going to be running the fbi. but there's an old saying in all of these intel agencies, nobody writes a story about the bomb that doesn't go off. right. but there are bombs that don't go off every day because of our intel agencies. and this doesn't i am not saying the fbi doesn't need to be reformed. and i'm not saying it's not political because it is political. in 2016, democrats will tell you it was extraordinarily political and focused against hillary clinton. republicans will tell you the same about donald trump. so there have been complaints on both sides about the fact that the fbi, at times is too political. that's the nature of every intel agency, whether you're talking about the cia, you name it. that's the nature of the agencies. the problem is, though, you cannot rip it up by

its roots. when you have terrorists every day wanting to kill americans. >> so, frank, my question to you is these field officers, these directors, people getting these notices and these pop quizzes about whether or not, you know, they worked on january 6th, and if so, how do they have to do this? do they have to leave? >> so here's the dilemma. yeah, yeah, ken had mentioned and perhaps ryan riley as well, that, you know, the agents association is considering telling agents, hey, don't fill it out. here's the problem. if you don't fill it out, you could be fired for insubordination. now, you could get into whether it's a lawful order to fill it out or not. but if you do fill it out, you may have a better case if you're fired to say, look, i was fired because of this, this political reason right here. so, you know, the agents are in a hand-wringing dilemma right now. but what they're pleased with is that the most senior leaders have their back. the head of the new york office, the largest office in

the country, a respected assistant director, has gone in writing, saying, we're digging in on this. we're digging in, as has the acting director. we're watching an unprecedented drama play out inside the nation's premier law enforcement agency. >> former assistant director for counterintelligence fbi frank figliuzzi thank you. and nbc's ken dilanian, thank you also for your reporting. so, so, so, peter baker, let's go to you and ask you, how is this going to play out, especially with you sort of had had a split screen. you had kash patel saying, oh no, no, i know he said i was going to arrest journalists and, and i know i have an enemies list, but no, no, no, no retribution. we're not going to have any retribution. which of course is the same thing that pete hegseth said. and then he got in in about 15 minutes later, it seemed suddenly retribution was being sought out by mark milley. i'm wondering, with this purge going on inside the fbi and with thom tillis and

susan collins and lisa murkowski and todd young and mitch mcconnell and all these people, dave mccormick, all these people understanding how dangerous the world is and how our enemies want to come to the united states and kill americans and undermine our way of life. i'm curious, are they really going to vote for somebody who has promised retribution, who has promised to be part of this purge that's going on right now inside the fbi? >> yeah. i mean, one of the things that's been curious about this whole, you know, attack on the fbi in the last few days is the timing doing it before the vote for kash patel means you cannot tell yourself that. well, actually, kash patel will be a perfectly normal fbi director who will be fine. you know, he'll make some reforms, but it won't be the bloodletting that people had feared. you know, the leftists are just, you know,

caterwauling. we can we can just ignore that because it's just them complaining. well, no, i mean, they've been very clear in the last few days exactly what kash patel's mission will be when he takes over, because they're already out to do it right now. and i think that it raises the stakes for his confirmation. you're right. it puts these republicans on the line. they can't they cannot pretend that this will be anything other than what it looks like is going to be, and maybe they're fine with it. maybe this is what they want, but that's what they're going to have to, you know, own. and they're going to have to say that that's what they want, because nobody can pretend otherwise. >> we thank you so much, peter baker. it's always great to have you. markets opening up in about one minute. right now futures are off a good deal. we'll see what happens when the market opens. evelyn farkas, you obviously have spent a lifetime focusing on europe. there's the threat of these these these tariffs next focusing on the eu. what impact does that have? i remember angela merkel telling

other leaders during donald trump's first administration, we can't count on the united states anymore. we're going to have to focus more toward the east. i'm wondering, what does the impact of an all out trade war in europe do? and does it push the eu and those eu countries more towards dealing with china? >> yeah, i mean, joe, clearly it does give china an advantage. it shows that the united states, you know, can't be relied upon to be a good trading partner, isn't worried enough about the threat posed, frankly, by vladimir putin over the border. the europeans are already saying, we're going to ramp up our spending on military, you know, on defense equipment and training, etc. to the 5% that president trump said he would like. at least those are the small, vulnerable nations and poland on the border. so the europeans, they are worried about the trade impact. they already have problems posed by the chinese because of their threat to the automobile

industry. this you know, they had hedged against that by putting a lot of manufacturing in mexico, in the united states. now, all of this throws that system into turmoil. again, it's the it's the average person who's going to suffer. but for the europeans, they're clearly going they're not going to take this lying down. i want to say one other quick thing about the whole fbi kash patel thing. on the earlier story when you talked about elon musk getting data from the state department, usaid, and from the office of budget and management, that's data about us personnel who work for the us government. that is bad enough, but if the wrong people get into the fbi, including elon musk and the doge people, they can get data on regular citizens, people who have come across the radar of the fbi not because they necessarily did anything wrong, or people who were accused of doing something wrong and then exonerated. and all of that data will be available to billionaires. so i really think that that's another aspect of this that we need to be paying really close attention to.

>> all right. executive director at the mccain institute, doctor evelyn farkas. >> thank you, evelyn. >> thank you so much. so much for small government and keep and what is like the least libertarian thing, you got a guy who's not even an official not not confirmed, not an official who's just going in roughshod into these agencies and, and, you know, trying to get classified information if it's not given to. >> classified information. >> he's fired. and now. yeah, whether whether it's usaid or the treasury department, it is remarkable. but the most remarkable part would be if congress, even in the hands of republicans, decide, we're just going to give up all of our power, our constitutional power. and we're just we're just going. >> to let this. >> happen to just turn our back on the whole madisonian democracy checks and balances.

it's kept us going for over 240 years. pretty good thing. let's bring in right now, cnbc's dom chu. dom. so we've got news. we've got news that donald trump, president trump has said he's going to be speaking to prime minister trudeau today a few times. we'll see whether, as people have said on that are close to donald trump, that, you know, his his his opening bid is always just negotiations. we'll see if in fact, that's the case. but right now, right now the markets are taking an absolute pounding. and the president just wrote i just spoke to justin trudeau. we'll be speaking with him again at 3 p.m. today. markets down almost 400 points. what do you see there. >> all right. so yeah. so the dow is to your point joe down about 400 points mika it's down. >> about 83 for the s&p 500. >> it's bigger for. >> the nasdaq which is the tech heavier index. it's currently down about 360 points. >> you're basically.

>> talking about. >> 1 to. >> 2%. >> losses right now. i would point out i guess that's relatively measured. >> there was some expectation that maybe you could see. >> the dow down 1000. >> points, or even. >> worse for the s&p 500. so the trade. developments are certainly as you. >> can see, they're having. >> a market impact. now. there was maybe some level of expectation right that this was going to happen. we heard the rhetoric this past week into the weekend. we're also seeing the reactions in other parts of the market besides the stock market as well. if you look at, for instance, us government debt, treasury debt, right. those prices are actually on the rise, believe it or not, because there is this kind of dynamic here which is pushing interest rates lower because of all of the market and economic uncertainty. traders oftentimes just go towards the safety of u.s. government debt. so that's pushing interest rates lower. it's kind of a little bit weird, but that's happening. certain measures of the bond market, by the way, have also been pricing in expectations for weeks, if not months now of higher inflation levels. a lot of these

market moves are indicating that there is, yes, a fear that things are going to get worse. the question now becomes, does it keep staying and getting worse, or does it get better at some point? for the time being, the biggest hotspots around the tariffs are in those key industries that we've been talking about for at least a few days now, if not weeks. specifically the auto industry we're watching right now. shares of gm, ford, stellantis, that's the parent company of chrysler, dodge and jeep. all of those stocks are lower. auto manufacturing a key issue because supply chains are so closely linked across the us, canada and mexico. by the way, auto parts manufacturers are also getting hit hard as well. and there's a real fear in the industry that this could derail growth and profitability for that entire north american auto market. now, speaking of derailed railroad operators like union pacific, canadian pacific, kansas city, they're the ones taking a hit. given their exposure that the rail operators have to trade between the us,

canada and mexico. consumer focused companies, constellation brands, that's the parent company. we've been talking about mexican beer brands like corona, modelo, pacifico, by the way. even chipotle mexican grill, they're seeing their shares down because the costs are forecast to escalate. remember, america gets an estimated 90% of its avocados from mexico. so the guac that you theoretically get at chipotle could be impacted as well. we're also seeing, by the way, oil prices on the rise, given uncertainty about potential supply disruptions across the entire north american continent that will have an impact on gasoline prices at some point. but here's where things get interesting to look at the conversation about what real or lasting impacts could be. if you look at oil and gasoline, guys, what happens if the economy starts to actually slow down? not just here in america, but also globally because of all the trade and tariff wars, there is a concern that a lot of economists have about the longer term drawbacks

of these trade wars. if things do slow down, what does that do? leads to lower oil prices, since demand could be negatively impacted. the same thing for economic sensitive sectors like construction and mining, even technology companies, industries that are closely tied to economic expansion or contraction. so if there are tougher times ahead, if there is a hypothetical blow, so what could that mean? so at the end of the day, mike pompeo prices could actually fall for a lot of things in the medium to longer term, but for all the wrong reasons because of potential job losses, hypothetical smaller paychecks, and just less overall demand. those are all possibilities. and that's what guides lawmakers in washington. and of course, central bankers like at the fed are going to have to navigate all of that stuff. >> well, great analysis. cnbc's dom chu, thank you very much. as we're watching the numbers drop, they're coming up. a michigan priest has had his license

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was met with applause and laughter by the crowd. let's take a look. >> this is the last. >> stand for christendom. >> it's make. >> or break time. the whole of the old world is crumbling. >> every country. >> in europe. >> is. embracing death. >> america. >> as far as i could see, is the only country fighting for life. >> and that's down. >> to you guys. >> so god bless all of. >> you for what you're doing. >> please keep doing it. >> i hope that. >> i can. encourage you and. >> my heart goes out. >> to you. god bless. >> you. just saw it there. the anglican catholic church said in a statement, we believe that those who mimic the nazi salute, even as a joke or an attempt to troll their opponents, trivialize the horror of the holocaust, and diminish the sacrifice of those who fought against its perpetrators. after his firing was announced, robinson posted a lengthy statement on x where else, stating he is not a nazi and claiming the joke was an attempt to mock liberals. let's now bring in editor at the bulwark,

jonathan v last. his latest piece is titled moral clarity on the nazi salute. jonathan, thank you for being with us this morning. i will simply ask you that. what sort of moral clarity did we obtain about what we just witnessed? >> at the american, >> the. >> the, the? you know, you can just. >> say what it is. >> i'm sorry. like, i know. >> it seems like a little crazy to. >> have to beat around the. >> bush on it, but. >> we all we all saw it. >> we know what. >> he was doing. formerly. >> father robinson. >> now admits that. >> yeah, i. >> was just. >> trying to troll. >> the libs for getting. all all triggered. >> about. >> a. >> little sieg heiling. and his. >> church said he can't. >> do this. >> stop it. especially if you're a man of the cloth, a man of god. >> a guy. >> who's out there, you know. >> as. >> a disciple. >> of jesus. and you think it's okay to trigger people by joking about the holocaust. >> and i. >> it was really nice to see his

church stand up and say no. and they did it quickly. >> and they. >> didn't, you know, they they said, look, we've spoken to this guy about this before. we told him to stop trolling people and being such a jackass. >> not their words. >> mine. and so we've. removed his license. but also, please understand this isn't just an. >> administrative matter. >> this is this is about moral clarity. it's about you can't make. jokes about the holocaust like this just to make people you don't like angry. that's not christianity. i'm sorry. it's not. >> yeah. jonathan. jonathan. i mean, first of all, the fact that this is a pro-life summit, and they were laughing about it, you can talk about you can talk about how it kind of reminds me of when people would laugh at jokes about paul pelosi, an elderly man almost being bludgeoned to death and people laughing in the crowd. i, i asked who raised these people? who raised them? i don't understand it. but at a pro-life summit, but also he said he did it to own the libs. i mean, is

this is this is where that ends in a. sieg heil salute because because, yeah, he basically he said that. >> isn't that in two corinthians, joe? i mean, maybe. >> i don't remember, but. >> maybe it's in two. >> corinthians that thou shalt. >> you know, as moab. >> said to shia, thou shalt own the libs. it's the whole thing is nuts. and it was disappointing to see the audience there sort of cheering and laughing about it. you know, you would have thought that the conference organizers, the minute he was off the stage, would have hustled him out the door and said, how dare you, you know, get out of here and don't ever come back. don't don't be a jerk. and this is the this is the problem with these sorts of corruptions is that they wind up spreading and infecting the entire culture. and i you know, it would have been so easy for when musk did his thing for everyone to just say, yeah, this

is bad, don't do it. and instead we had this weird, bizarre kabuki theater where the people pretended that the guy who is all in favor of afd had no idea what he was doing. it was just, you know, just this total normal thing. and i don't know if you guys clocked it on one of the other news networks. there was a professional republican defender who was who was defending this stuff, and one of the other panelists said to him, oh, well, if it's so innocent, just do it. do the do the thing right now. if it's just an innocent gesture. and he was like, bro. i couldn't possibly, you know, and that just we all know, we all know what we saw. we don't need to debate it. we can just say what it is. >> jonathan. hi, it's molly jong-fast. >> hey, molly. >> how are you? i was wondering if you would talk to us about sort of moral courage and what how that plays into this. >> yeah. you know, it's amazing to me that this is even a thing that requires moral courage, isn't this? you know, i think it was like aoc of all people who

said, hey, you know, i'm sorry i was raised to believe that we're supposed to fight nazis and. yes, yes. this shouldn't take moral courage. maybe it takes moral courage to fight over preserving usaid or to stand up to. you know, if you're in the fbi, you're one of the senior people who's been told to leave, takes moral courage to say, no, you'll have to fire me. you know that. that again. you know, my heart goes out to them, as somebody might say. but. but this is just the most obvious thing. and the fact that in america, we have people rushing around to try to make excuses for it. i got to tell you guys, it puts me into a pretty dark place, because if you can't just say, hey, sieg hiles equal bad, then i don't know how we're ever going to wind up mustering the moral courage on the slightly more complicated fights. >> the new piece is online now at the bulwark. editor jonathan phillips, thank you very much

for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate your thoughts. >> and by the way, the dow. >> is down. >> are alex, what's the dow down. are we down 555 5567. well over 1% right now. we'll see what happens. and also again, just following up on the breaking news this morning, donald trump has said that he has already spoken to the prime minister of canada. and the president says he and the prime minister will speak again this afternoon at 3 p.m. >> all right. still ahead, lawyers for blake lively and justin baldoni are set to meet in court for the first time today. we'll have the latest on that legal battle surrounding the film. it ends with us the film. it ends with us straight ahead on morning if you have generalized myasthenia gravis, picture what life could look like with vyvgart hytrulo, a subcutaneous injection that takes about 30 to 90 seconds.

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stories making headlines this morning. costco has reached a tentative agreement with its union workers to avoid a strike days after increasing pay to more than $30 an hour for hundreds of thousands of its workers. the agreement will now be presented to union members for a vote. teamsters members at more than 50 stores voted last month to authorize a strike. if the parties could not agree on a new contract, which had expired at midnight. fay vincent, who served three rocky years as commissioner of major league baseball, has died at the age of 86. he was a relative unknown when he took over baseball's top job in 1989, following the death of bart giamatti. vincent was known best for negotiating the controversial lifetime ban of player manager pete rose for gambling on games. he also navigated the earthquake that struck minutes before game three

of the 1989 bay area world series, as well as the sport's expansion to both denver and miami, and new jersey's longtime paper of record. the star-ledger published its final print edition yesterday. >> unbelievable. >> the paper, which had been in print for nearly a century, is shifting to an online only format and is disbanding. is disbanding its editorial board, its parent company, cited rising costs, decreasing circulation and reduced demand for print copies. among the reasons for the decision, new jersey now as the second state in the country to have its primary paper move completely online. jonathan. >> and truly a shame that a truly great newspaper, the star-ledger there. elsewhere, attorneys for actors blake lively and justin baldoni are set to meet in a courtroom later

today as the case between the two becomes even more public. over the weekend, baldoni launched a website that shows even more communication between him and lively, as well as with her husband, the actor ryan reynolds, nbc news entertainment correspondent chloe melas has the latest. >> today costars turned legal rivals blake. >> lively and justin baldoni's. lawyers. >> facing off in court for the first time at a pretrial hearing, where lively's attorneys will ask a judge for a gag order in. >> the. >> explosive case. >> the attempt to staunch the flow of behind the scenes details being released comes as justin baldoni's team launched a new website over the weekend, featuring an amended legal complaint and a 168 page timeline of events, including newly released text messages allegedly sent between the embattled stars of it ends with us, as well as lively's husband, actor ryan reynolds. one alleged text from reynolds to baldoni expresses his excitement about it ends with us writing, this is

going to be incredible. i happen to adore you, justin. but as tensions developed, the amended complaint accuses reynolds of mocking and bullying baldoni through a character in reynolds's film deadpool and wolverine. >> it is two. >> in the morning. >> in this audio message obtained by the dailymail.com, baldoni tells lively he's sorry for creative differences that arose on set. >> i for sure fell short. >> neither party's lawyers commenting on the recording. lively sued baldoni in december for sexual harassment on the set of it ends with us, and for directing what she says was a coordinated smear campaign against her on social media. baldoni in turn filing suit to the tune of $400 million against lively, reynolds, and the new york times for defamation, his attorney telling nbc news last month that they plan to release all communications between the feuding costars. >> we want. >> the documents. >> to. >> be out there. >> we want.

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