game. >> good day. i'm chris jansing, live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. trump versus trudeau with tariffs against mexico off the table for the.

>> time being. >> the president sets his sights. >> on canada. >> is there a last minute deal that can keep those tariffs. and maybe even chinese tariffs, from taking a bite out of american's bottom line? plus, a u.s. agency that combats poverty and hunger being shut down by the richest man in the world. elon musk calls usaid a criminal organization that should die. but critics say this is just a callous, destructive political power play. crews recover the engine of flight 5342, a giant step toward removing what's left of that american airlines plane from the potomac river. the new details emerging about the flight's final moments and the grim mission to recover the victims still in the water. a lot to get to on a monday. but we start with president trump already backing off, at least temporarily, in his trade war. earlier today, he announced that he's delaying tariffs on mexico for a month after president claudia sheinbaum agreed to send

110,000 troops to the border to deal with, in president trump's words, the flow of fentanyl and illegal migrants coming into the u.s. and here's what new homeland security secretary kristi noem said right after that announcement. >> but i. >> think it's. >> fantastic that the president of mexico. has come on board, and. that should send a message to every other country. this president, when he says something. >> he means it. >> that he wants cooperation. he wants people. >> to come to the table and it will. >> be better for. >> your people. >> and it will be better. >> for the. >> united states of america. >> right now, plans to impose tariffs on canada and china tomorrow still seem intact, although trump is expected to talk to canada's prime minister later this afternoon. all of this causing whiplash on wall street, where the dow started the day down 600 points. the nasdaq was down roughly 2% before stocks cut their losses. and you can see right now still in the red, including the dow down 176 points. that said, even

if some of the tariffs go into effect at midnight tonight, it could raise prices on things that americans use every day, from cars and clothes to food and beer in what the wall street journal is calling the dumbest trade war in history, warning that if trump is willing to target our closest allies, no country or industry is safe. i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake at the white house. nbc's ryan nobles is on capitol hill. tim miller is host of the bulwark podcast and an msnbc political analyst. and nbc's christine romans is with me to break down the broad impacts of the trade war. welcome to all of you. all right, garrett. what is the latest on all of this? and is there any chance we'll see the plans for other tariffs change in the next day or so? >> i think it's entirely possible, chris, the president is in the oval office talking to reporters as we speak, agreeing with at least the second part of that wall street journal editorial, the idea that no country is fully safe from these tariffs. he says that negotiations will continue with

mexico despite the fact that on friday, he said there was nothing any of these countries could do to avoid tariffs and that they were not a negotiating tactic at all. you mentioned justin trudeau, whom the president has spoken to once already this morning. he's got another call scheduled for around 3:00 this afternoon. and he's acknowledging, or at least he was last night when he returned from florida, that this trade war or these tariffs will hurt american consumers, at least in the short term. listen. >> 20 minutes went by. >> we may have short term some little pain and people understand that. but long term the united states has been ripped off by virtually every country in the world. we have deficits with almost every country, not every country, but almost. and we're going to change it. it's been unfair that. >> democrats have been seizing on those comments, suggesting that this is a broken campaign promise by a president who ran on lowering prices, enacting a policy here at the start of week three, which could only lead to raise them. we'll see where

these other negotiations go today, chris, because it's clearly a live ball. >> well, i mean, look, i want to tell people that we got some notes from the pool, the folks who are actually allowed to go into the oval office. it's a small group. and then they report back to us. so we got these bullet points. he said he has already talked to the prime minister trudeau and that they had a great talk. but he says also we haven't agreed on tariffs yet with mexico. we're not well treated by canada. nobody is out of tariffs. is there any level of confidence that folks out in the world who will be impacted like this know what's going on? >> no, there shouldn't be. i mean, look, chris, i covered the entirety of donald trump's campaign. there is nothing he likes more as a policy tool to solve any particular policy problem than the application of tariffs. you pick your foreign policy issue. donald trump has a tariff that he thinks would be useful for it, or at least to

threaten it. and i think that's the space we're in right now. in some cases, i think he believes there are trade issues that sort of appropriate use. if you think tariffs could ever be appropriately used with a country like china, for example. but his issues with canada and certainly with mexico don't really appear to be about trade at all. remember, he negotiated a brand new trade agreement with those two countries in his first term. he's been talking about drugs coming over the border. he's been talking about migration. this is an attempt, i think, to use one tool at his unilateral disposal as president of the united states to shake out some results on a variety of different issues. >> so, christine, let me go to you, because the last point that we've heard from the pool so far, and again, as garrett tells us, he's still in the oval. he may still be taking questions, but donald trump said, we don't need canadian cars, lumber or agriculture. you have a lot of information about our trading partners and what they do and don't bring to the table, so help us out here. well.

>> the national. >> association of home builders. >> and other. >> home building. >> groups would say. >> otherwise that. >> actually the. >> u.s. does rely on a lot of. >> those. >> things right. >> now. and putting taxes on them is going to make them more expensive. i mean, look at these three trading partners, these. $1.2 trillion of goods the u.s. imported from these three countries just in the first 11 months. >> of last year. >> that is a lot. >> that means. >> all. that stuff is going to cost more money to bring into the. into the u.s. and you talk about canadian oil. yes. >> the u.s. is drilling. >> drilling, drilling more energy than it has ever done breaking records. >> but it also. >> is importing from canada. it imports canadian oil that then is refined in the u.s. and goes into american cars as gasoline. and experts say gasoline prices would increase 15 to $0.25 a gallon if that 10% tariff on canadian oil goes into effect, as opposed to the 25% on everything else. now you talk about cars. president donald trump wrote the. >> rules for how cars. >> cross the border and then are

sold in the u.s, right? what percentage of these cars can be assembled, or parts of them can be made in canada and mexico? he wrote those rules in the usmca in his first administration. now he wants to get rid of those rules and put tariffs on car parts that will add $3,000 to the cost of new car exports, new cars, experts tell us, because these parts cross borders over and over and over again, these are very intricate supply lines that basically this is a bomb going off in those supply lines. so one thing after another, there are worries you'll see higher prices mexico on pause for the week. so these are some of the goods from mexico. all of this stuff comes from canada. so the 81% of frozen french fries come from canada. i did not know that. but they. >> have the wait. >> wait. >> french fries. >> yes. now you're now you're concerned. your french fries here and then technology. if you don't have carveouts for some of these big tech companies that make their products in china, these tariffs in china will add to the cost of your goods. that's what the consumer tech association says. so it's not whether prices will rise under a new tariff regime or trade war,

chris. it's how much that's the debate we're having here. >> okay. so, tim, the criticisms came fast and furious once all of this got announced. but supporters will say, look, and you just heard this from kristi noem. it's working. mexico is sending more troops to the border. is this a win for donald trump or is he just going to present it that way? >> well, i think that. >> he's just going to present it that way. it's all about. >> the. >> pr for these guys. >> i know. >> my governor, jeff landry, was there standing next to kristi noem. that's not in louisiana. we've got we've got a lot happening in louisiana. we could use him here. i would think instead of doing press conferences at the border. >> but look, this is just. >> to demonstrate how much just. >> pr this is, chris. like on the one. >> just think about. >> how. incoherent this is. on the one hand, trump says we need these tariffs, right. >> that the. >> the tariffs. >> are necessary because. >> we're we're getting you know we're getting taken. >> advantage of. we want to build more. stuff here in america. we don't want to import stuff from other countries like we. >> need it for.

>> economic reasons. >> but then the stock market goes down and he says, oh, well, i've cut a deal with mexico. they're going to put 10,000 troops at the border. but but wait a minute. i thought the tariffs were needed for economic reasons. i thought we were being treated unfairly by mexico and economics. now you're telling me that just some troops at the border, which, by the way, biden. got 10,000 troops in the border. >> in. >> 2021. >> she. >> sent troops to the border or he did. the old president sent troops to the border in 2019. so, like the message is just incoherent. trump is creating chaos and then taking credit on the back end. and that's what you're seeing here. >> yeah. here's another thing, tim. well, this morning the director of the national economic council said the media has it all wrong. this has nothing to do with trade, that it's 100% about the drug war. the problem is, when you're talking about canada, the dea says only and i say this, only 43 pounds of fentanyl was seized at the northern border last year. that is a tiny fraction of what was seized at the mexican border. and the reaction of canadians has not been kind. take a listen.

>> oh. there we go. >> mr. canadian sports fans booing our national anthem in toronto. same thing happened in ottawa. what is it about canada that has donald trump so upset? >> yeah, i mean, it's even. >> more ignorant than you lay out, right? like they say. >> it's about. >> fentanyl, but barely any fentanyl comes across. >> the border. >> from from canada. so then why is he letting mexico off the hook right now where all the fentanyl is coming in, or most of it, at least lots coming in from ports as well. >> and but. >> then, at. >> least for now, keeping the tariffs on canada, that doesn't. >> make any sense. jd vance tweeted yesterday. i don't want to hear about the sob stories from canada. are they contributing enough to nato? and it's like, well, wait a minute, this is about nato contributions now. i thought it was about fentanyl and then but but then the president is saying it's not about either of those things. it's about how we need the

tariffs for economic purposes. like they don't they're not even explaining it. it's completely incoherent. and it's causing me. and if he goes through with this, it's going to cause major disruptions in canada. you know, our our close trading partner, our ally, a country that sent troops to wars that we were participating in to stand with us. and we're going to do it for what he can't even explain what it's for. like they change every minute why they're doing it. like it's just because he likes the chaos and the reality show of it all. and he thinks tariffs is a beautiful word. >> well, donald trump says garrett that again i'm looking at the second set of notes that have come out of the oval office. he says they'll speak to china in the next 24 hours. probably china won't be involved in the panama canal for long. china will be dealt with on the panama canal. tariffs were just an opening salvo and the tariffs will go up. if we can't make a deal. there does seem to your

point to, at least in his rhetoric, to be an awful lot of focus on getting this done. >> yeah. look i think that's right. and again, i mean we became familiar with this during the campaign to donald trump. it's sort of like the adage of if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. he has unilaterally as president wide authority to implement and to threaten tariffs on adversaries and on allies alike. and he is using that across the spectrum of foreign policy issues to try to achieve a desired result. now, on friday, he was arguing publicly to reporters in the oval office in a setting much like the one that's happening right now, that that was not his goal, that he was not trying to negotiate and that he didn't want anything from these countries on whom he was placing tariffs. he has clearly shown that not to be the case. and so i think we just have to continue to look at all of these threats as threats until proven otherwise. he wants to try to keep lines of communication open, in some

cases to appear to have the upper hand. whether or not he does, it depends on the issue. and i think we're going to continue to see this play out, you know, across the next 12 hours until the first deadline for canada and china and the next month for mexico, if indeed that's where the deadline lands. >> and ryan, so far, it does seem like most republicans are on board with this, or at least we haven't heard from them complaining. but the wall street journal editorial notes that canada's new border taxes are going to hit orange juice, whiskey and peanut butter, all from states that have republican senators go back to last year during the campaign and the high cost of groceries basically helped doom democrats. so is there a point at which you think economic pressure translating to constituent pressure, could possibly convince republicans to break with trump on this? >> well. >> my attitude in covering this particular version of congress right now, chris, is to assume that republicans are going to roll over for donald trump until i'm told otherwise. and up until

this point, they've shown absolutely no effort to push back or in any way, shape or form criticize these early moves that he has made in the white house. now it is early and things can change. and i do think once they start to hear from their constituents about how much the cost of everything is rising, perhaps that's when you start to see a flood of critiques headed in donald trump's direction. and the issue of tariffs is an interesting one for republicans in particular, because republicans hate taxes. this is the party that has always wanted to cut taxes in every way, shape and form. and the tariff is one of the biggest taxes. and it's a tax that most directly impacts everyday consumers on a day to day basis. listen to what mitch mcconnell, who was, of course, the former republican leader, said about tariffs this weekend. >> it will. drive the cost of everything up. in other. >> words. >> it'll be paid. >> for by american consumers. >> i mean. >> why would you want to. >> get in a fight. >> with your allies. >> over this? >> so obviously mitch mcconnell

doesn't like tariffs. i think there are a lot of other republican senators and members of the house of representatives that probably wouldn't favor tariffs. as garrett has pointed out multiple times, there isn't much congress can do about this. this is the one thing donald trump can do unilaterally, although he's done a whole host of other things unilaterally, which he may not have the authority to do. so what we're seeing, though, is a real lack of any sort of effort by republicans in congress to push back on this. and until they start to really feel the brunt of that by their constituents back at home, we shouldn't assume that's coming anytime soon. >> and, christine, the reason that president trump called the press into the oval office, at least initially, was because he was signing another executive order, and he said that this executive order will create a sovereign wealth fund. tell folks what that is. >> a sovereign wealth fund. this is something that countries have, for example, if they have a lot of natural resources, think russia and the middle east, and they have all this money and they put it in a fund

to make investment investments to diversify their economies. donald trump has hinted that he would like to do something like that, maybe even taking tariff revenue, these higher tariff payments that people will be making and then putting that into some kind of fund that he can make investments in the u.s. economy. it's interesting because usually you think of them as something economies trying to diversify into, you know, to be more modern, big, diversified, diverse economy like the us already is. by the way, norway has the biggest sovereign wealth fund. its oil revenue is this big funder there. so just fyi, they're on the sovereign wealth fund. i'd like to see more details, but he has talked about this before. >> all right. christine romans, garrett hake, ryan nobles, tim miller, thank you all. we're going to continue to follow what's happening in the oval office. the president had a few things to say about elon musk in addition to everything else. so we'll be following along with that. but in the meantime, coming up in 90s, the army works to remove the wreckage of american airlines flight from the potomac. as new details emerge about the final moments before the deadly midair collision. what we're now learning.

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helicopter that was involved in last week's crash. family members of victims gathered near the crash site on sunday to honor their loved ones and lay a wreath. >> it's just so surreal to see them actually take that, take that body bag out with the flag. >> on it and the. >> officers all saluting and knowing my little boy is in there. it's pretty difficult. >> joining me now is nbc's aaron gilchrist at washington national airport in arlington, virginia. also with us is msnbc aviation analyst john cox. what's the latest we know on the investigation and this recovery? aaron. >> well, chris, we are watching a very delicate two fold operation happening here on the potomac river behind me. what we've seen so far today, starting at about 10:00 this morning, we've seen two large pieces of debris, the engine from the plane, as well as another part of the plane come out of the water here. this is what the army corps of engineers

and the navy supervisor of salvage have really been focused on doing today. and the reason we're seeing so much care taken during this process is because we know that there are still 12 sets of remains that have yet to be recovered. and so as they remove the plane from the water, they're being careful. we did see a blue tent come up. at one point the work stopped. a blue tent was put up on one of the boats in the water here, as well as a black tarp. we were told yesterday that if during the process of salvaging the plane, they discover more remains, they would stop work. they would put up a tent, they would recover the remains in a dignified way, hand them over to the medical examiner over in dc, and then continue on with the work. and you said it's going to take about three days to raise the plane, and then they're going to work on raising the helicopter as well. you talk about the investigation that the ntsb is conducting. they want these pieces of the plane, obviously, for their investigation. but more importantly, perhaps they have the black boxes from both

aircraft. they've been able to look at the information in a preliminary way from the black box on the airplane. they still want to interrogate the data from the helicopter as well. at least that was the last bit of information we got from the ntsb. we hope to hear from them today and learn whether they were able to look at that, because the aircraft black box preliminarily is showing that the plane was at about 325ft of altitude, give or take. the tower seemed to indicate the collision happened at about 200ft in the air. and so there's a difference there. there's a discrepancy. and they need the information from the aircraft from the helicopter black box. now, chris, to try to reconcile these two different pieces of information. they have so far. a lot more to learn, though for the ntsb. >> erin, thank you for that. so, john, ntsb investigators say the flight 5342 made that last minute turn upward moments before the crash. and there are investigators who say they're unsure if that means the pilots were alerted to something that was wrong in the plane's final

descent. does that indicate anything to you? >> chris. >> it's. >> a littloo. >> early to tell, and. >> we don't know the. >> magnitude of the pitch up. they only have mentioned that they they have seen. >> that the airplane. >> did pitch up in the last seconds. what that means and how much of. >> the. >> pitch. >> we don't know yet. >> they haven't released the data. >> so they're really continue to. >> be more questions. >> than answers. but let me. >> let me try. >> to help. >> aaron on his question about the. altitude difference. the definitive. >> altitude is. going to be from. >> the aircraft altimeters, both the jet. >> as well. >> as the helicopter. the radar has a rounding error plus or minus about 50ft. >> so if you're. >> within 50ft, it can. >> show you being 50ft higher or. >> 50ft low. so that may very well explain. >> some of the difference between. >> different sources for the altitudes. >> okay. the late saturday there

was a press conference with the ntsb and member j. todd inman got emotional over the weekend saying lessons are learned basically from every crash. the issue is to implement change. here's part of what he said. >> we want to do something about it. adopt the recommendations of the ntsb. you'll save lives. get off and do something. i don't want to have to meet with another set of parents like that. again, it's not fair. could be your family. >> your family. >> can blame them for saying that. i should say, if i can, john, that that. then the transportation secretary, sean duffy, also said to fox news yesterday that systems do badly need to be upgraded, whether there is parity in the recommendations the ntsb is making with exactly what sean duffy is talking about, i can't tell you, but what is the status in your mind of the infrastructure right now? what changes would you say should be at the top of the list to be

made? >> ntsb has. >> some very good recommendations out. >> there. >> and i think i would go there. >> first to look. and see. >> what we can. implement that. >> will do the most good for. >> the system. we know that. >> the faa's air traffic. system can use updating. we know. >> that. >> it can use more staffing. >> we know that. >> it can use more. >> air traffic control instructors. >> in oklahoma. >> city and elsewhere. these are things that we've known for quite a long time. there's an opportunity for improvement, and we can do that. the airplanes are remarkably safe. the pilot training has gotten better over the years. so there's a lot that we can continue and should continue to do. but this it is important to recognize that aviation remains safe. it's still the safest form of transportation ever designed by humankind. and when we have a tragedy like this, all of us

focus on learning everything we can about it to prevent a reoccurrence. >> so when you have a series of them, it does make people nervous, john, as you know, and i might have to interrupt you because we're waiting to hear from president trump. but then, you know, you also had the medical plane that crashed. and among those who died was a young man who was getting treatment. and then you had fire that caught made they didn't land because they hadn't taken off yet. but then people had to make an emergency exit off the plane. it does get people worried about the status of planes and flying. >> sure it is. and we don't know yet what the philadelphia accident was the cause of it. we don't really have a good idea. it's a very unusual flight path, so we'll see. what if it was a mechanical problem with the jet? was there previous maintenance done on it and things like that? those are things that we need to know before jumping to any conclusions. the united fire, that crew handled that very

well. they got off the airplane. nobody hurt, nobody injured. unfortunately, the it was due to an engine failure. they don't fail very often. jet engines are very reliable, but they're not 100%. so the united crew did a good job all the way around. so there are three events in a short period of time. everybody's concerned. those of us in aviation safety are concerned. but you know, we need to keep focused on doing the job safely. every flight, every day. >> john cox, your expertise as always, invaluable. thank you. appreciate it. and we're going to go now to the oval office. this is tape playback. this happened just a short time ago. there you see donald trump. he's about to sign that executive order. and as we mentioned to you earlier, that's the creation of a sovereign wealth fund. not usually, as christine romans pointed out, something that other countries do. also at the

resolute desk, there are a number of designations of special envoys. there were some subcabinet position level offices being appointed, including departmental general counsel. the people who oversee that the laws are kept track of. so a whole series of signatures that he's making there, as we have seen him do many times already in the couple of weeks that he's been president. but we're going to listen in because he's going to get to a pretty extensive q&a with the media and some very important things. he's asked extensively, not just about that executive order, but a lot of people are questioning elon musk and the decision about usaid. we mentioned this at the top of the show. that's the organization that provides funds to foreign governments. many of the humanitarian efforts, and that has been very controversial. people told to work from home. today. we're

going to hear what he has to say about that. but also what kind of power. he says elon musk has, or does it have more serious questions being raised today about whether someone who's not elected, someone who is not working for an official government agency, this doge is not something that is within the traditional federal government and someone you know, who's who's never gotten a vote or never been confirmed by congress should wield this kind of power. and then in particular, we're looking at what his answers are on the trade situation and the tariffs against mexico, against canada and against china. let's listen to the president regardless. take a quick break and we'll come back because of and we'll come back because of the q&a will be coming up tons of sweet dentists on zocdoc. dr. stafford's a real beauty. and people say he's passionate about dentistry! dr. taylor's on thirty-third street... we could practically skate there! booked it! sweet! you've got options. book now.

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>> for this. >> defining time in the second trump presidency. stay with msnbc. >> staffers for usaid. we're told to stay out of their washington headquarters today after elon musk slammed the agency responsible for sending foreign aid around the world as evil, among other things, he said president trump agrees it should be shut down, one usaid official told nbc news, no one feels safe to go anywhere near the ronald reagan building. we just had elon musk call us a criminal organization. our security chief was escorted out, and we know we are being surveilled by doge right now. the president is being asked about elon musk. let's listen.

>> guy, from the standpoint of management and costs, and we put him in charge of seeing what he can do with certain groups and certain numbers. the numbers some of the numbers are horrible. what he's found 100. think of it, $100 million on condoms to hamas, condoms to hamas, and many other things that are, frankly, even more ridiculous. and they're finding tremendous waste. really waste more than anything else, i think you could say probably fraud and abuse can be added to it. the more standard waste, fraud and abuse. but they're finding tremendous amounts of really bad things, bad spending. you've been reading about you've been writing about some of it, frankly. and some of the things that they've been doing is just terrible. leah ellen can't do

and won't do anything without our approval. and we'll give them the approval. we're appropriate. we're not appropriate. we won't. but he reports in and he it's something that he feels very strongly about. and i'm impressed because he's running obviously a big company has nothing to do. if there's a conflict that we won't let him get near it. but he does have a good natural instinct. he's got a team of very talented people and we're trying to shrink government, and he can probably shrink it as well as anybody else, if not better. where we think there's a conflict or there's a problem, we won't let them go near it. but he has some very good ideas and we have a lot of very other talented people. also. we're bringing in the most talented people in the world, by the way. we just unrelated, but we have two of the most talented people in the world, the legendary rupert murdoch and larry ellison. so they are two legends in in business, publishing and probably every other. rupert. is

larry pretty much in a class by himself. right? i mean, although you may have a couple of bucks more, i don't know, but but rupert is in a class by himself. he's an amazing guy. and larry is. larry is larry. larry is one of the most serious players anywhere in the world. so it's an honor to have you. this has nothing to do with you people, but they hear it. i thought it would be appropriate. i'm sure you didn't recognize them. if you're going crazy, they say, what are they doing here? thank you. okay. thank you. >> is there any chance. >> that canada. >> or china could. >> also get out of the. >> tariffs after you struck. >> a deal with them? well, nobody's out with mexico. we had a great talk with mexico and we had president sheinbaum is a woman. i like her very much. we've had good relationships. but we have to stop fentanyl from coming in, whether i like somebody or not. and we have to stop the illegal aliens from coming in. i think we've lost 200,000 people on average a year

for many years, much higher than the 100,000 could be even closer to 300,000. and they've agreed to put in 10,000 soldiers permanently, like forever. 10,000 soldiers at their side of the border, and stop fentanyl and illegal aliens from coming into our country. they have a big incentive to do. other than that, we've agreed to talk and consider various other things. we haven't agreed on tariffs yet, and maybe we will, maybe we won't. but we have a very good relationship. i also spoke with prime minister trudeau of canada, and we had a good talk in the morning. but i did ask him a couple of questions like, you know, banks aren't allowed to do business in canada. canada is very tough. canada is very you know, we're not treated well by canada and we have to be treated well. banks are not, as an example, allowed. did you know that that banks, american banks are not allowed to do business in canada? can you believe that? and that's one of

many things. and we talked about and i think we'll win most of the subjects. but for some reason, a lot of things have been very unfair with canada. i noticed that in the first term you deal with people and after a while you begin to realize, like you learned, that larry ellison is very tough to do business with. okay? he's a very tough guy. i mean, i'm sure you're shocked to hear that, but but canada is very tough. they're very, very tough to do business with. and we can't let them take advantage of the u.s. they don't take our agricultural product for the most part. they don't take our cars. they make cars, but they basically don't take our cars. and, you know, we don't need. and look, i think we're going to have another good conversation today. we're actually speaking at 3:00 again. but we don't need them to make our cars. we don't need them to give us lumber. we don't need them for agricultural products because we have all the agriculture we need. they don't take our agricultural product.

for the most part, our milk and dairy, etc. a little bit they do, but not much. we take theirs and as far as cars are concerned, they took in a big percentage, almost 19% of the market. and, you know, i wouldn't mind making our cars in the united states. so we have a problem there. i'd like to make our cars in the us. we don't need canada to make our cars. with that being said, we're going to have another call at 3:00. we had a call this morning. it was a pretty good call, i'd say. so the call with mexico went very well in the sense that they're very strong now on the border. they're going to put soldiers there. actually, they're their best military soldiers, and they're going to be at the border 10,000. that's a lot of soldiers, and they want to protect it also. you know, they want they don't want people running through mexico, coming through mexico to come into our country. so they're going to do that. and then we're going to talk about other things over the next. and we're going to have over the next 30 days, we're

going to have scott, howard and marco. marco rubio, secretary of state, lead the delegation. and we're going to have a big negotiation with mexico. i'll be involved, too. and president sheinbaum will be involved to see whether or not we can work something out on the tariffs. >> on fentanyl. >> china will be speaking to china probably over the next 24 hours. >> president trump. >> we don't want fentanyl coming into our country. now. we had another big thing. speaking of china, china is involved with the panama canal. they won't be for long. and that's the way it has to be. marco just got back. as you know, he's in the process of coming back. i guess he's almost back by now. and he had a very long conversation with the leader of panama, the respected man, and some others. the entire leadership group. and we're trying to work a deal on the

panama canal. the panama canal was given foolishly years ago to it shouldn't have been happened years ago to panama by jimmy carter and the group. we lost 38,000 people building the panama canal. like the one of the great wonders of the world. it's the biggest job we've ever built, the biggest project we've ever built in this country, dollar wise. and every other way. 38,000 people died. americans, all men, just about laborers and construction people. they went to panama. the mosquito got them between mosquito and snakes. we lost 38,000 people. it was the most expensive project ever built by the united states. most the biggest, most expensive project we ever built 110 years ago. if you bring it up to now, it would have been the equivalent of $2 trillion, the most expensive we

ever built, and we gave it away for $1. okay. we gave it away essentially for nothing. and we either want it back or we're going to get something very strong or we're going to take it back. and china. will be dealt with. and we didn't give that to china. we gave it to panama. we shouldn't have given it to panama. but panama, as you know, has violated the agreement, totally violated the agreement. so that's in the process right now. but they did have a very good meeting with the head of panama. >> tariffs on china. >> you say you're. thinking about whether. >> china should. >> be forced to pay reparations. for fentanyl deaths and the million. >> no, i haven't talked about that. but they do have tariffs. honestly nobody the amount of money that was lost and most importantly, the lives lost

because of covid will is not something that anybody could ever even imagine. it's probably $60 trillion in all the countries in the world don't have $60 trillion. the amount of death and the amount of destruction and the amount of money lost is probably $60 trillion. i had it figured by people about three months ago. i was just it just said, figure it out. nobody knows what the real number is, but it's an almost an infinite number. the damage done. but i have not discussed that. what i have discussed is we'll have some good meetings with china. we have meetings planned and we'll see what happens. but that was just a an opening salvo. if we can't make a deal with china, then the tariffs will be very, very substantial. okay i'm going to sign this one sir. >> this is you've. >> obviously made making. america healthy again. >> a key priority of. >> this administration. >> a key component. >> of that is obviously heart health. this is a ceremonial

proclamation. >> declaring the month. >> of february to. >> be national. >> heart month. >> okay. >> i hear we're doing very well with nominations. we'll see. but it looks like we're doing very well with nominations. >> have you. >> been involved with. >> calling senators. >> who. >> have some. >> concerns about. >> tulsi gabbard? >> yes. >> yeah. >> i've gotten great response and they want to do what's right and we've had a good response. i think we'll do well. we have great people like people like this. we have great, great people coming in. i think i'd like to say the best ever recruited for government. i think we have the finest people ever recruited for government. >> well, we. >> take an act. >> of congress. >> and you know what? you're starting to see that because we've done more in two weeks than biden has done in five years. six years. they could be here between him and obama. you add it up, okay, we've done more in two weeks than they've done in 12 years. >> let's take an. >> act of congress to do away

with. usaid or. >> i don't know, i don't think so. no, we've not when it comes to fraud, if there's fraud, these people are lunatics. and if it if it comes to fraud, you wouldn't have an act of congress. and i'm not sure that you would anyway. but we just want to do the right thing. it's something that should have been done a long time ago. it went crazy during the biden administration. they went totally crazy what they were doing and the money they were giving to people that shouldn't be getting it. and to agencies and others that shouldn't be getting it was a shame. so they're tremendous fraud. but we'll be doing a report. we'll be giving you that report at the appropriate time. yeah. >> the first term, though, usaid was something that you liked in some respects. >> i love the concept of it. yeah, sure. i love the concept, but they turned out to be radical left lunatics. and the concept of it is good, but it's all about the people. >> mr. president. >> you said you also. >> want to impose tariffs on the eu. >> what kind of tariffs are you

talking about? >> well, we have massive deficits with the european union. massive like $350 billion, if you can believe it. they don't take our farm product. they don't take our cars. they don't take almost anything. but we take their cars. we have millions of cars coming in bmw and mercedes benz and volkswagen and just so many different cars, and we don't do anything about that and we don't charge them tariffs. they make it impossible to sell cars in the european union. they make it very difficult agricultural product. they actually don't take it. and they have a lot of excuses. some of them are the pesticides and the different chemicals used. and bobby kennedy actually is looking at that very, very seriously because maybe it's not necessary to use all of that. you know, we want to be the healthiest country and we're not. we spend more money on food than anybody else in terms of its creation. but we're not the healthiest country. so maybe there is

something to the fact that we shouldn't be using so much chemical, and maybe that'll stop. but bobby kennedy is the one because he's he is not a believer in all of the things we have done, and neither are the europeans. so we'll see what happens. but they use it as an excuse not to buy our product. and they you tried? i asked a couple of the leaders, i don't want to use names, but how many chevrolets or fords do you see in the middle of munich? and the answer is none, because they don't take any cars, they don't take anything. so the european has abused the united states for years and they can't do that and they want to make a deal. let me tell you, in all cases, they all want to make deals. there's nobody that doesn't want to make deals. they've been abusers and they want to make deals. so we'll see about that. but we'll have, i think, some very fair. all we want is a fair deal. and you know, there's a word reciprocal. i'd go right now

reciprocal tariffs on everybody. because many of the countries that you feel so horrible about the way they're being treated by trump, you're saying, oh, president trump is so terrible to them. well, they charge us tariffs. european union has a vat tax which is through the roof okay. it's a similar thing similar to a tariff. it's a vat. and they have it and it's numbers like you wouldn't believe. and canada i told you about the banks and i told you they they charge us. and people don't say that. they don't like to say it. just like they don't like to say that i opened up the water for california. it's a great thing. it's too bad they didn't do it themselves. i had to do it. and it was not easy. we did it at a very rough way and i didn't like to do it a rough way. we shouldn't have to do it a rough way, but a lot of these countries that we're talking about, you know, there are so-called allies, but they don't treat us well. and just like i got $420 billion, and now it's actually over $600 billion. the secretary general of nato

came in two weeks ago. and he said it was a miracle when trump came in, when president trump came in to nato, i got he said it was $636 billion by saying to them, no, you have to pay. and if you don't pay, we're not going to be there for you. you know, somebody has to say it. and they paid. and it was a large amount of money. and one of the problems we have with the russia-ukraine situation is that we want to see some equalization, because we're in for close to $300 billion and they're in for $200 billion less. why are they in for less? because biden never asked them for money. he never said, you got to pay. they never did. all he did is hand out money. so we're talking with them right now and we're actually working some deals right now. so we have some some guarantees and some other things to keep that whole situation to go really going. i

mean going. we're telling ukraine they have very valuable rare earth. we want what we put up to go in terms of a guarantee. we want to guarantee we want we're handing them money hand over fist. we're giving them equipment. european is not keeping up with us. they should equalize. and look, we have an ocean in between. they don't. it's more important for them than it is for us. but they're way below us in terms of money, and they should be paying at least equal. they should really be paying much more than us, but let's say equal to us. and they have billions and billions of dollars below. so we're looking to do a deal with ukraine where they're going to secure what we're giving them with their rare earth and other things. >> mr. >> deal with mexico this morning. >> was that. >> a partially related to the market. >> reaction and the criticism from. >> mr. murdoch's own newspaper? he called it the dumbest.

>> trade war on. >> on the editorial page. >> on saturday. >> i'm going to have to talk to. >> him because. >> i've been right over the wall street journal many times. i will tell you, i don't agree with him on some things. no, it's not only is it not dumb, you're going to see, you're going to see every single one of those countries is dying to make a deal. you know why? because they're ripping us off really badly. and the united states is tired of being ripped. just being ripped off. and that's why we have $36 trillion in debt. we have it for a reason, because we make bad deals with everybody, and we don't allow that anymore. so the wall street journal is wrong because very simply, every single country that you're writing about right now is dying to make a deal because the deals they have right now are so good and so good for them and so profitable for them. you didn't know that canada didn't allow our banks. you didn't know all of these different things. and i

think in the end, you're going to see that either very, very substantial tariffs are going to be paid by them or they're going to make some kind of a deal. >> mexican president did. what did. >> you. >> blink this morning. there was no blinking. no. she's a wonderful woman. but she did agree to 10,000 soldiers on the border. i would say that's a lot. would you say that's pretty good. 10,000 soldiers on the border and. and the 10,000 soldiers are going to keep illegal aliens out, and they're going to keep them out. seriously out. and otherwise they're going to have a big penalty. mexico is going to be penalized. they're not going to come through mexico anymore, and they're not going to let the fentanyl come in from china. and china hopefully is going to stop sending us fentanyl. and if they're not, the tariffs are going to go substantially higher. >> sir. just to. >> clarify, when you. >> said about ukraine. >> earlier the. >> rare earths. >> is that something you want them to give the rare earths. >> to. >> the united states? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i want to have security of rare earth. we're putting in

hundreds of billions of dollars. they have great rare earths. and i want security of the rare earth, and they're willing to do it. >> sir, you mentioned on canada. >> when you talked to justin. >> trudeau again. is there anything he can give you at 3 p.m. when you talk again. >> to. >> also. >> i don't know. i don't. >> know, like. >> you. >> said. >> i don't know. we have big deficits with canada like we do with all countries. i mean, i look at some of the deals made, i say, who the hell made these deals are so bad. but with canada, i have a talk with him and you maybe know or maybe not. we're going to meet again or talk again at 3:00, right after my next meeting, and we'll see what happens. i can't tell you what's going to happen. >> that he could agree to. >> to change your mind. >> on that. >> or we can always look what i'd like to see canada become our 51st state. we give them protection. military protection. we don't need them to build our cars. i'd rather see detroit or south carolina or any one of our

tennessee, any one of our states build the cars. they could do it very easily. we don't need them for the cars. we don't need them for lumber. we don't need them for anything. we don't need them for energy. we have more energy than they do. we don't need them for energy. so i say, why are we doing this? why do we? why are we willing to lose between 100 billion and $200 billion a year? we don't need them as a state. it's different. as a state, it's much different. and there are no tariffs. so i'd love to see that. but some people say that would be a long shot if people wanted to play the game right, it would be 100% certain that they'd become a state. but a lot of people don't like to play the game because they don't have a threshold of pain. and there would be some pain, but not a lot. the pain would be really there. so we're going to meet again by phone at 3:00, and

we'll let you know. >> what president. >> trump you're. very to. >> meet with benjamin. >> netanyahu coming in tomorrow. >> yes. >> you mentioned in the past you're concerned about. >> israel being too small geographically. >> would you. >> support annexation of. >> parts of the. >> west bank by israel? >> well, i'm not going to talk about that. it certainly is a small it's a small country in terms of land. i take see this pen, this wonderful pen. my desk is the middle east. and this pen, the top of the pen, that's israel. that's not good, right? you know, that's a pretty big difference. i use that as an analogy. it's pretty accurate, actually. it's a it's a pretty small piece of land. and it's amazing that they've been able to do what they've been able to do. when you think about it, there's a lot of good, smart brainpower, but it is a very small piece of land, no question about it. >> mr. president. >> he said. >> earlier that. >> elon musk. >> is giving everything that is there. everything that he has done thus far, going to all the agencies, shutting off access, getting access to federal. payments that all has yours. >> you're okay with all of that?

>> for the most part, yeah. if we i mean, if there was something that didn't have my. okay, i'll let you know about it really fast. >> do you. >> think there are some areas where you wouldn't let him work because he has conflicts of. >> interest if there was a cop? no, no, i haven't seen that. and he would know not to do it. so we haven't had that yet. but if there was a conflict, we would let him work in that area. >> that you were going to make a deal where the us is going to take it. >> how long. >> do they have to. >> make that. >> sort of deal, and are you still leaving on. >> the table? >> we're going to meet with panic. we're going to meet with panama on friday at about 330 in the afternoon by phone, and maybe there'll be some representatives that, you know, here or there, but we're going to be talking to panama on friday, essentially. and they've agreed to certain things, but i'm not happy with it. >> it's not. >> the middle east. >> mr. president, if i. >> may. >> do you still. >> have doubts that the cease fire will. >> hold on? >> what other. >> areas do you think. >> the cease fire i have? i have

no assurances that it will hold. i mean, i've seen people brutalized. i've never. nobody's ever seen anything like it. no, i have no guarantees that the peace is going to hold. steve, you might want to say something about that. steve witkoff. it's holding. >> so far. >> so and we're. >> certainly hopeful. >> and that's the. >> president's direction. >> to get the hostages out and save. >> lives and come to hopefully. >> a. >> peaceful settlement. >> of it all. >> so. >> so far it's holding. >> mr. president, on a different topic. >> questionnaires have been going out to. fbi agents across the. >> country who were involved. >> potentially in the investigation. we believe anyone involved at any. >> level should be fired, sir. >> well, i think the fbi was a very corrupt institution, and i'm a i'm a victim of it in a true sense. i was able to beat it, but other people have been treated horribly. i think the fbi has a great reputation, had a great reputation. i think its reputation was really damaged

badly, as is d.o.j. and look at what they've done in terms of weaponization. look at what they've done to a political opponent. probably got me elected by what they did, or i think i was doing well anyway, but they might have gotten me elected. but you know what? we have to have pristine, beautiful, perfect law enforcement. and we want to do and i cash is the one to do it. he's the one guy that is going to do it. we have to bring the reputation of the fbi. we have to bring the fact of the fbi back to what it could be, not even to what it was even better than it ever was, because who would have thought that the fbi could have been corrupted, like they were corrupted? who would have thought that would have happened? who would have thought they would have been used to go after, you know, political opponents essentially. but me being the number one and so many other things beyond that, and they've been hurt very badly and we'll see what happens. but cash is the one to do it. and i hear

he's doing very well. cash will straighten it out. we have great confidence that we can make the fbi great again. okay, 1 or 2 more and we'll be done. i'll say it. >> tulsi gabbard. >> yeah, i think tulsi is going to be doing okay. i'm not sure. i can't guarantee anything. but she's liked by so many people, especially people in the military and law enforcement. >> she has a little bit of trouble with some. >> senators over. >> her. >> thoughts on edward snowden. >> i know. >> snowden. >> you've mentioned in the past you're thinking about. pardoning him. are you still and. >> what do you think. >> about that? >> no, i don't talk to him about it right now. i just people feel very differently. some people think he should be pardoned, and some people think it would be a terrible thing to do. but i don't get involved in that. >> mr. president, what are you discussing. >> with mr. murdoch? >> and i. >> just respect i have great respect for rupert murdoch. i disagree with him a lot of times with the wall street journal, but it's all right. we've disagreed before, but and i'm sure they didn't have any idea what the