straighten it out. we have great confidence that we can make the fbi great again. okay, 1 or 2 more and we'll be done. i'll say it. >> tulsi gabbard. >> yeah, i think tulsi is going to be doing okay. i'm not sure. i can't guarantee anything. but she's liked by so many people, especially people in the military and law enforcement. >> she has a little bit of trouble with some. >> senators over. >> her. >> thoughts on edward snowden. >> i know. >> snowden. >> you've mentioned in the past you're thinking about. pardoning him. are you still and. >> what do you think. >> about that? >> no, i don't talk to him about it right now. i just people feel very differently. some people think he should be pardoned, and some people think it would be a terrible thing to do. but i don't get involved in that. >> mr. president, what are you discussing. >> with mr. murdoch? >> and i. >> just respect i have great respect for rupert murdoch. i disagree with him a lot of times with the wall street journal, but it's all right. we've disagreed before, but and i'm sure they didn't have any idea what they were talking about

because already you see what's happening. look at look at columbia. look at what happened with that. everybody said that with columbia it was going to be a disaster in 1 in 1 hour, everything was settled. you know why? tariffs. tariffs. without tariffs they wouldn't have been the same way. they weren't would not have treated me the way they treated me, which was extremely nicely. and i don't want to use countries, i don't want to use names. but tariffs are very powerful both economically and in getting everything else. you want tariffs for us. nobody can compete with us because we're the pot of gold. but if we don't keep winning and keep doing well, we won't be the pot of gold. and then tariffs won't be so good for us. but when you're the pot of gold, the tariffs are the tariffs are very good. they're very powerful. and they're going to make our country very rich. again thank you very much everybody. >> thank you. thank you guys.

thank you guys. >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> thank you guys. >> how is the market doing. >> thank you guys. >> thank you guys. thank you guys. so it. >> did i don't. know i don't think. >> about it. thank you. thank you. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you. >> president trump answering wide ranging questions. but a lot of them focused on the tariffs that have been imposed against mexico, canada and chin. and interesting moment because those tariffs have drawn a lot of controversy, including an editorial board editorial by the wall street journal, which called them the dumbest trade war in history with rupert murdoch, whose company, news corp owns the wall street journal, fox news, hundreds of other media outlets standing right there, and the president smiling and saying a couple of times, i don't always agree with the wall street journal, but the fact of the matter is, we did get some new information, including the fact that he spoke with prime minister justin

trudeau earlier today about the canadian tariffs and said, we don't need canadian cars, lumber or agriculture. but the fact of the matter is that general motors and some other u.s. carmakers make about 40% of their cars in canada and mexico. they also use parts from around the world. so there's that question as far as lumber. anybody involved in the building trades will tell you that the us is heavily dependent on canadian lumber and finally, agriculture. the us imports $40 billion of beef, pork, grains, other agricultural products. so the questions remain about what the long term impact will be. the president, though, saying he feels good about the fact that claudia sheinbaum, the president of mexico, is going to send 10,000 troops to the border. one more fact check. i think that we should make because it's something that has been repeated

by the president and his press secretary about sending condoms to gaza, or, as he just put it, to hamas. the press secretary originally said that $50 million was going to condoms. the president just said $100 million. that's been fact checked by the washington post team. and they say it gets four pinocchios. in fact, that figure 100 million would be six times the amount spent on sending condoms to the entire world. and the president claiming that that's what one of the things elon musk has uncovered as he is trying to save money for the government. that is, in fact, as the washington post puts it, preposterous. the president also addressed the panama canal, usaid, and a host of other topics, again, including that tension between a lot of folks in the federal government and elon musk. nbc's vaughn hillyard is following this for us. so, vaughn, let's start there with

elon musk, because so much controversy has been created about some of the moves that he has made, particularly involving usaid. give us some context and tell us what you thought was important about what we heard from the president about mr. musk. >> right. chris. >> you. >> just ticked. >> through a lot of headlines that just came from that. but the headline for me, based off of conversations with government workers, particularly usaid officials, over the last several days. >> and in just. >> the last. >> hours, is. >> that donald trump. >> the president. >> of. >> the united. >> states, from the. >> oval office, just. >> effectively endorsed. the efforts of elon musk. across these government agencies. we have watched elon musk, whose exact position in the federal government and the executive office of the president is still not entirely clear, has gone in with a small team of young tech individuals and. gone in in the case of usaid, effectively. >> crippled the. >> backbone of america's humanitarian aid and international development organization. it's got a $40

billion budget. effectively, they have frozen not only the foreign aid in the last days to more than 60 different missions around the globe, but they. >> have already. >> fired, furloughed or placed on administrative leave more than a thousand individuals and those who have not been technically placed on administrative leave, or at least been informed of that, were told not to come to headquarters today in washington, d.c. and just in the last minutes, i have heard from a usaid officials who have. lost connection to their internal network have lost. email access. and what you heard there, when president trump was directly questioned about the moves of elon musk and his team to effectively disable the operations of usaid, he said that he has seen nothing wrong with any of the actions that elon musk has taken at this time. and you also heard a question there, particularly about the treasury department in elon musk and his doge team going and gaining access to the payment disbursement, internal systems that go for social security, for medicare. it

includes personnel data from social security to other health information for millions of americans. and donald trump effectively endorsed the efforts there of elon musk as well. we are just in real time, chris, trying to get an understanding of exactly what musk's mission is. but after midnight last night, he said that he has been in close contact with the president of united states, who said that he was supportive of shutting down usaid. and what we just watched during literally while he was talking in the oval office, were democratic lawmakers just about a. mile down the road from the white house at the headquarters of the usaid office, where yellow tape has been put up around the front doors, as well as big padding that blocks their ability to even gain access to the building. and you heard from democratic lawmakers, along with some usaid government officials who have been outside over the last hours, outside of those offices, protesting what is effectively amounted to a near shutdown of the main u.s. humanitarian aid assistance

program. i want to let you hear from two of the senators who spoke just moments ago. >> so this has nothing to. >> do with making. >> the us government more. >> efficient. and everything. >> to. do with aiding and abetting our adversaries. >> around the world. >> elon musk. >> you didn't. >> create us. >> aid the united states. >> congress did for the american people. and just like. elon musk did not create us aid, he doesn't. >> have the power to. destroy it. >> and who's. >> going to stop him? we are. >> we're going to stop him. >> chris. >> as congressman raskin just mentioned there, there are a lot of legal questions about the moves that are being made by this white house, by elon musk to essentially cut off already congressionally appropriated funds, including to usaid. they are doing it, and that's. happening in real time. the question here is, to what extent

does it impact u.s. efforts and organizations efforts globally in real time, before lawsuits and litigation can take place? because this is a moment of legal quagmire for those who are supportive of usaid efforts. at the same time, while the executive branch of the us government is effectively seeking to shut it down, republican lawmakers are on their way back to washington. we don't expect to see them until later today, but so far we have heard almost zero from republican lawmakers pushing back against this effort here from the executive branch. >> chris vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. now, we've been watching the markets very closely. they've been going wild after today's back and forth on tariffs. cnbc's senior markets correspondent dominic chu joins us now. if you were able to hear the president's remarks, the last thing he asked was about what the markets were doing. they've been going up and down. tell us what's happening. >> it's been an eventful day, chris. to put it mildly. so. so the last 5 to 7 hours, the day

started off, as you might expect, given what could be a highly disruptive set of policies that could upset the entire world economy. the stock market was poised and then actually did open sharply lower, but not by as much as some traders had predicted. now, at the lows of the session, i'm going to put it in juxtaposition for what you're seeing on your screen. the dow was down around 665 points. now, some experts think that that speaks to the strength and resilience of the u.s. market. we were though on pace to finish sharply lower. that is, until those comments from mexican president claudia sheinbaum tweeting out about getting a one month reprieve on tariffs and sending 10,000 troops to the border to help drug trafficking activity to prevent it against the united states. the tweet was then later confirmed by the administration, and in just the hour after those headlines came out, the dow gained back 600 points roughly from the lows of the session. so you saw some of the hardest hit parts of the market move off of their lowest levels as well. you mentioned chris before. automakers like general motors,

ford, chrysler, parent company, stellantis, lot of cross-border manufacturing operations here in north america. they started to see their stock prices move higher. railroad operators that have a lot of business transporting goods around the u.s, canada and mexico, like union pacific, canadian pacific, kansas city started moving higher as well. constellation brands, the owner of mexican beer brands like corona, modelo, pacifico, reacting similarly even by the way chipotle mexican grill reversed course and is now, believe it or not, positive on the day as fans of their chips and guac also get a one month reprieve from higher avocado prices. because, of course, 90% of america's avocados come from mexico. now, what is still unclear is how trade negotiations will move forward with mexico and what will be those sticking points. there's also what those negotiations with canada are like. does this become a template of some way with canadian prime minister justin trudeau, which, by the way, put

retaliatory tariffs on u.s. goods and then also saw some local governments remove american spirits from their government run alcohol stores. and then, of course, there's china. it remains to be seen what trajectory and speed of trade talks will be. but there is one thing that some traders are reacting positively to, and that might explain what you're seeing, which is a dow that's almost on the cusp of going positive, chris, that is this idea that negotiations apparently do yield some kind of results. they're modest for the time being, but what it could do is mitigate the idea of a prolonged trade war that could have those lasting detrimental effects to not just the u.s, but the world writ large as well. so as we watch the markets, they are not the end all be all. chris, we know that you and i both know that of what this economy and market could look like, but what they're telling, at least for the time being, is that maybe there could be progress made at some point. we just don't know what that progress looks like. chris. >> none of us knows. but dominic

chu, you've been so informative. thank you. so let me bring in nbc news white house correspondent yamiche alcindor. part of that has to do with ongoing conversations. and one of the things we did hear from the president that was important is not only has he talked to justin trudeau, but he also has plans to talk with mexico. he says he's going to speak with china, he hopes over the next 24 hours. but tell us what we know, particularly about the conversation that's already been had. >> well, we. >> know that these conversations. >> are really ongoing and that they're trying to canada and the u.s. maybe come to some sort of decision that might end up in a pause the way that we saw mexico get a pause. that being said, we're not sure that canada is going to back down here. the president criticized pretty pointedly, canada. take a listen to what he said just a few minutes ago in the oval office. >> canada is very tough. they're very, very tough to do business with. and we can't let them take advantage of the u.s. they don't take our agricultural product. for the most part. they don't take our cars. they make cars,

but they basically don't take our cars. and, you know, we don't need. and look, i think we're going to have another good conversation today. we're actually speaking at 3:00 again. but we don't need them to make our cars. we don't need them to give us lumber. we don't need them for agricultural products because we have all the agriculture we need. >> now, he also said that canada should become the 51st state of the united states. that's something that canadian leaders and elected officials are pushing back on hard, saying canada is going to remain an independent country, and also that these tariffs aren't going to just hurt canadians. they say it's also going to hurt americans. and the prices of things like steel and aluminum might also be things that we see go up because of these tariffs. but it's interesting that this is a developing situation. so i'm definitely keeping my eye close on the white house and talking to sources to see if that conversation that happens at 3:00 pm between president trump and the leader of canada, justin trudeau. whether that changes anything here, chris. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you for that. now in the oval

office, president trump also said the china tariffs were just an opening salvo and earlier said he believes anyone against his tariff plan is, quote, controlled by china. the new york times points out that even if china is hit hard, the president's other actions have alienated u.s. allies, giving beijing an opening to strengthen its global standing. it's something our next guest is warning about. democratic congressman from illinois raja krishnamoorthi is the top democrat on the house select committee on china. good to see you on the program. once again, i wonder how concerned you are that tariffs could actually help china. >> oh, absolutely. you know china is cheering what's happening right now which is we are getting further divided from our friends and partners and allies like canada. and that's exactly what china wants to see. and you know, basically what we're about to enter into, unfortunately, with regard to canada is a trade war. or as the wall street journal dubbed, the dumbest trade war in history.

>> let me ask you about, as well, mexico, because the president announced this morning he's actually going to delay those tariffs. it's just what don was talking about. there are people who want guacamole at their super bowl party, and they're breathing a sigh of relief. but he said he made that agreement to delay for a month after mexico agreed to deploy 10,000 soldiers to the border to help us stop the flow of migrants and fentanyl. republicans point to this already and say, look, trump's strong arm tactics work. what do you say to that? >> well, we'll see in 30 days. but he also said that somehow fentanyl is coming through the northern border. when cbp has said that 43 pounds of fentanyl were seized at the northern border and 20,000 pounds of fentanyl were seized at the southern border. there is absolutely no reason why we're entering into this trade war with canada, one of our closest allies. and oh, by the way, it's

increasing prices at the grocery store. it's increasing prices across the board for our consumers who are already feeling the pain. and lastly, it's going to hurt my constituents in illinois, chris, we export a lot of goods and services to canada, and our farmers especially, are going to get hurt by these retaliatory tariffs. >> then there's the question of usaid. and a lot of people probably didn't know much about this organization until the last couple of days, but elon musk slammed it as evil. he says that the president is ready to shut it down. we just heard from vaughn hillyard and folks who are actually on location outside of usaid that they were told to work from home. they couldn't get logged in, they lost access to emails. and now we just found out while the entire workforce of usaid found out that they have a new boss, secretary of state marco rubio says he is now the acting director of usaid.

let me play that for you, congressman. >> i'm the acting director. >> of usaid. i've delegated that authority to. >> someone. >> but i stay in touch with him. >> and again. >> our goal. >> was. >> to go in. >> and align. >> our foreign. >> aid to. >> the national interest. >> but if you go. >> to mission after mission and embassy after embassy. >> around the world, you will. >> often find that in many cases, usaid is. involved in programs. >> that run counter. >> to what. >> we're trying. >> to do in our national strategy with that country. >> or with that region. >> i wonder what you make of this apparent plan, at least according to elon musk, that usaid needs to go away. >> this is crazy. this is exactly what our adversaries would want. people like china or countries like china are cheering this move because why? they actually fund a lot of international aid and development in africa and other places where we're trying to gain influence as well. so if we're going to walk off the field and cede it completely to china, well, they win. secondly,

there are some real human tragedy tragedies that are happening or unfolding as this aid is drying up. just yesterday, someone reported to me that a five year aids vaccine trial underway in south africa, which is very promising, had to shut down right in the middle because of this ridiculous move by elon musk and trump. and so you have potentially years of vaccine research and development that are going down the tubes, literally because of this work stoppage. >> congressman raja krishnamoorthi heading back to a washington that will be very busy. i thank you for taking time away from your schedule to be with us. >> thank you. chris. >> in 90s, the democratic party is standing behind its new leaders. but can they diagnose the problem plaguing the party and unite behind a message and unite behind a message before the next election?

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>> have one fight. >> we have. >> one fight. the fight. >> is. >> not in here. the fight is out there, right? >> the fight. right now. is against. >> donald trump and the billionaires who. >> bought. >> this country. >> that's the fight. >> that was ken martin. but finding that unity could be a challenge. the new york times conducted more than 50 interviews with democratic leaders, which revealed a party that is struggling to define what it stands for and what issues to prioritize, and how to confront a trump administration that is carrying out a right wing agenda with head spinning speed. joining me, basil smikle, former chair of the new york state democratic party and an msnbc political analyst. head spinning. i'll just, you know, open up the curtains a little bit. hair and makeup. people came in to check me just now. and they just their mind, their their their exploding. it's hard for every american to follow what's going on. so can the democrats follow it, ken?

>> martin's a really. >> good step in the right direction. i've known him for a number of. >> years. >> when i was at the new york state democratic party, we supported him in the position he had before this, which. >> was head. >> of the association of state democratic committees. why is that important? it's because as a former state chair, he and in that position, he knows how parties work. he knows the infrastructure. he knows what it is to be on the ground. he knows what it means to put the troops in the field, to go and talk, you know, push the message. and so being able to work with the individual state parties to rebuild that infrastructure and make sure that everybody is on the same page as he talked about, is going to be critically important to moving forward. >> remember the first time trump got elected and got inaugurated and there were all these protests out on the street? we have not seen that. the times looks at it this way. the lack of public outcry has left democrats debating whether liberals are simply tired of politics, or whether they agree with more of mr. trump's platform than they want to

admit. i mean, the first job one has to be figuring out where your party stands or where the people who could vote for you are. right. and is there anybody who has any clear handle on that at all? >> you know. >> i may get in trouble for this, but i really this this finger pointing is really problematic. this is this should not be a consultant class conversation. and frankly, i don't think a lot of this conversation needs to be generated from dc. if you look at what's happening in in both parties. >> so not from ken martin. >> not necessarily know ken is a little different because he's about he's about taking over the party nationally and really digging into state parties. but what i mean by that is if we have two parties where so many of the voters within each party don't trust the federal government, don't trust congress, you can't necessarily look to congress for all of those answers. a lot of that work has to be done on the ground, being hyper local and hyper targeted. democrats have had some really good leaders

that have been able to push back. look at chris murphy, look at aoc, look at jasmine crockett from from texas, who's been doing phenomenal work. democrats have held the president accountable. they impeached him twice. there's a democratic state attorney general. >> they lost. every single battleground state. >> understood. and let me explain to you one of the things that the republicans did over time, there was a separate campaign to get people to stop smoking menthol cigarettes. the republicans targeted black voters in michigan, saying democrats were going to take away your cigarettes by mail. they did this in the mail. so my point is that one of the things that ken can do and what democrats can do is be so hyper, hyper targeted and hyper local and make sure that that effort is sustained. we don't need to go through this for the next six months to a year, and then get back up and running. that needs to happen today. >> well, arguably you don't have six months to a year because the midterms are, as you know, as somebody who was chair man, they come fast. >> they do, they do. and, you know, one of the things that's that again, is really

fascinating to me is right now when i moved through and i've been traveling the country and giving talks and on panels, and voters are not necessarily asking what are they doing in dc? they're saying, how can we protect our communities today? what can we do on the ground today to make sure that whatever donald trump and his supporters are going to do doesn't affect me in the ways that it possibly can. and that's one of the that's one of the things that i think democrats really can excel at is, again, going to ground giving activists and leaders the tools to be able to fight in their communities. that's what folks are asking for right now, and let that leadership germinate from the ground up as opposed to top down. >> i thought it was interesting that ken martin said he views his job as being the guy who's willing to take the low road, that he's the guy who's willing to throw the punch. and then i guess the other folks, you know, can can do what they need to do in their states, their communities. but what do you anticipate from him and where

should he take his first swing? >> well, the first thing i think is doing exactly what he did, which is come out and saying, this is one party and speaking with one voice, because again, i go back to that earlier point, a lot of that finger pointing is not helpful whatsoever from a. >> policy reality check on that happening badly. >> well, that's a that's the problem. and that's why i go back to this point that, you know, we look, i was here all through last year angry at my own party for getting rid of the president of united states, who is running for reelection. not helpful. tore down a vice president for the last four years, sometimes anonymously, in the press. so by the time she becomes the nominee, she's sometimes in some ways had her legs taken out from under her and even then did a phenomenal job in those last four months. so my point is, we need to get out of our own way. democrats need to speak with that one voice. i think ken can do that. but at the same time, i think we need to go to ground a lot

earlier than we have been and do it in a way that smacks donald trump day in and day out. >> basil smikle, always great to see you here. thank you. well, president trump's push for a freeze on federal aid funding back in court today. a federal judge hearing arguments as she weighs whether to extend a temporary ban against the president's plan. and that decision is expected within the next few hours. nbc's ryan riley is following this for us from washington. hey there. ryan. so the judge revealed that some forms of financial aid still appear to be frozen. what did we learn? what more from today's arguments? >> yeah, effectively, that these nonprofit organizations are still being impacted by this, even though the order was rescinded itself. so this what we expect is that the judge is going to expand this and allow this, this continued freeze on this order to go into effect. basically leave the status quo in place before donald trump took office for this money to potentially keep, keep flowing. that's what we learned from

daniel barnes, our producer there in the courtroom as this, this, this plays out because, you know, obviously there are so many stories as you're sort of mentioning that you have to be following these days, but this one is one that's impacting a lot of different nonprofit groups that do a lot of different things. so that's one of the first legal actions. and i expect, you know, as this moves forward, we're going to see a lot more action in federal courts and in, you know, in d.c. in particular, with a lot of these judges who oversaw a lot of these january 6th cases, potentially getting involved in some of these cases moving forward under president president trump, because there's just been so many different stories. and so there's going to be like a legal battle over this for a number of years. some of the actions he's taken just in these first two weeks, chris. >> the courts once again, ryan riley will be spending a lot of time following the courts. thank you, my friend. appreciate it. coming up, what we're learning about the death of a pro-kremlin paramilitary leader in moscow. you're watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc.

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that will make the u.s. less safe. nbc's ken dilanian is following this for us from washington, d.c. so, ken, what is going on at the fbi right now? >> chris, it's not an exaggeration to say that the fbi is in a state of crisis. and that's according to dozens of current and former fbi officials that we've been talking to at nbc news. they have never seen anything like this, where a group of agents has been targeted because of a case they worked on, that in many cases, they were assigned to. they were ordered to. and i'm talking about, of course, the january 6th capitol riot investigations. the acting director of the fbi has been ordered to turn over a list of names of people who were involved in that investigation. we're told they used the fbi case management software to figure out that there were 2400 cases and as many as 5 or 6000 people involved. and look, there were people who believed that they were going to be fired today, who were told that they would be fired today. now, that hasn't happened. as far as we know. we have not seen any firings today. but there is a

great fear that there are going to be mass firings of people because they worked on the january 6th case, and that is just unprecedented in american history. and as you said, the other thing that's remarkable about this is bureau leadership is publicly pushing back on the trump administration. brian driscoll, the acting director of the fbi, who was installed by the trump administration, has issued guidance and messages to the workforce saying that he doesn't understand exactly why these names are being provided. but it shouldn't be seen as as an indication of misconduct. and he said that fbi agents can't be fired without due process. and as you said, the head of the new york field office in a strongly worded email yesterday saying, look, we're in a fight here. people are being targeted because of cases they worked on. that's not right. we're going to, as you said, dig in. so it seems to be a standoff at the moment. chris, with kash patel awaiting confirmation. he, by the way, has not said a word. and i have inquiries to every republican senator on the judiciary committee so far. no comment from any of them today, chris. >> all right. ken dilanian, thanks. now to moscow, where a

pro-russian paramilitary leader from eastern ukraine is dead after a bomb detonated in the lobby of a luxury apartment building. just take a look at the aftermath. shattered glass and debris from the blast scattered across the floor. nbc international correspondent meagan fitzgerald is in london for us. megan, what more do we know about what happened? >> well, chris, what we know, according to russian. >> state media, is that. >> armen sarkisian. >> was in the basement. >> of this luxury apartment block when this bomb went off. killing him, another. person and injuring three others. now we're hearing from a ukrainian member of parliament who says that sarkisian was taken to a hospital. he was in the icu where he later died. but as you mentioned, when you take a look at the images that are coming out of the scene here, you can see just how intense that bomb really was. he was in the basement, and you can see the doors of the lobby just blown off windows around it, blown off. a large police presence. the russians believe that this

was an assassination. they are trying to dig into who orchestrated this. but to give you some background of this guy, i mean, this is someone that ukrainian officials have called a crime boss who operated in the donetsk region of ukraine. so that is the eastern part of the country that is largely controlled by russia. ever since 2014, he's accused by the ukrainians of starting this pro-russian military arm and also supplying military aid and weapons to these illegal groups. now, the ukrainians have been contacted about this. they have not commented on it. but again, the russians believe this was an assassination and they are trying to figure out who's behind it. >> chris. >> megan fitzgerald, thank you for that. coming up, exclusive nbc news reporting why the trump administration is already releasing some of the migrants it arrested back into the u.s. it arrested back into the u.s. you're watching chris jansing want a next level clean? swish with the whoa of listerine.

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>> yeah. that's right. basically, they just don't have the space to put all of these people. chris, and the data that we've been seeing so publicly put out by ice on x and also the pictures that we've seen, those are all of arrests, but we haven't gotten the data on what happens after that. and as we're learning now, some of those migrants are released. when they're released, they're usually put on an alternative to detention monitoring program that could look like an ankle monitor, for example, where ice is able to track their location as they proceed through the immigration system. many of them could still have a day in court to argue their case for asylum, or a reason why they should be able to stay in the united states, but by and large, because they're short on detention space and because federal court orders prevent ice from holding someone indefinitely, they often could be released. we understand that those who have been released so far are deemed not to pose a threat to public safety. they do prioritize those who have been convicted of serious crimes for detention. chris. >> all right, david, let's talk about the temporary protected

status. and with that protection ending, what is the immediate impact on the venezuelan community today? >> so, chris, even. >> though it's going to take a couple. >> of months for. >> people to start actually losing. >> the status granted to. >> them under under temporary. >> protected status. the venezuelans that. >> i've been speaking to feel a sense of shock and some surprise even they say they feel like the rug has been pulled out. from under them. it's important to remember, chris, that in many cases, even though we talk a lot about undocumented immigrants, many. >> of the people who've. >> arrived recently, including venezuelans, are not. strictly speaking, undocumented in the way that we think of that, as in, you know, living completely in the shadows with no kind of paperwork whatsoever working in underground economies, often they have pending asylum claims. they show up to their immigration court hearings. the ones with tps are here legally under the status granted by tps. often they didn't even cross the border illegally between ports of entry. they entered legally, for example, for example, under the cbp, one app or under parole program. so a lot of them feel like they didn't break any laws, at least according to what the

rules were at the time that they've been trying to do things according to the laws of the land, that they've been trying to do things properly. and so this change makes them feel a little bit shocked. it makes them feel like they don't completely understand why the new administration is changing things so suddenly for them. you know, several people in the venezuelan community in florida and other places have been pronouncing themselves on this. i want to play you a clip from what a person from the venezuelan venezuelan american caucus said about this earlier, earlier today. take a listen. >> we are. >> human beings. >> that who works, who work here. >> who are small. >> business owners. >> we pay taxes. >> our employers. >> pay taxes. >> tps holders are people that. >> are living a legal life in the united states. we are here because we got kicked out from our country because for over 20 years, there is a cruel dictatorship in venezuela. >> now, chris, what the trump administration and many republicans say is that

temporary protected status specifically has gone far beyond what its intended goal was, which was a short term, temporary status to give to people who cannot go back to their home countries for reasons of disaster, conflict, etc. they say that it's become a sort of de facto permanent status. they've been saying this for years, and this is the beginning of an effort to kind of roll back what that program has become. chris. >> thank you for that. all right, julia, we're also seeing today a nationwide protest. they call it a day without immigrants. and some businesses are actually shutting their doors because they want to make a point about the importance of immigrant workers in the us economy. give us some context. how much of our economy is fueled by immigrants? >> it's huge. chris. according to a 2022 pew research study, the american workforce is dependent upon over 22 million immigrants, those who are here legally, and then an additional 8 million who might be here unauthorized. now, we've reported a lot on that at nbc news. there are people who can get fraudulent documents and go to work. we've been out to small

towns that have tried to do things to get employers not to hire those people, but at the end of the day, a lot of times they're filling the jobs that other people don't want to do. and there are certain sectors that are impacted, especially when you talk about migrants, even legal migrants working, especially in health care, hospitality and across those those jobs that we've featured here many times, such as slaughterhouses. so we've been into a lot of people in the agricultural sector could be very badly hurt. and so they're doing this day to try to show this is what industry, this is what the hotels with the restaurants you depend on would look like if immigrants, legal or not, were not here in this country. and the legal ones, i believe, are also protesting because they say there's an enhanced culture of fear. since these ice arrests started. >> julia ainsley, david noriega, thank you both. the biggest night in music, the grammys, was a heartfelt love letter to the city of los angeles after last month's devastating wildfires. the opening number, a star studded cover of randy newman's

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by nature medicine, scientists analyzed 52 brain specimens, 28 that were autopsied in 20 1624 and 2024. they found microplastics in every sample, but there were significantly higher numbers in microplastics in those from 2024. in fact, 50% more than in brains analyzed in 2016. i want to bring in msnbc medical contributor doctor vin gupta. walk us through this study. then what exactly stands out to you? >> yeah. >> chris, you know, we're just beginning to understand the. >> health risks. >> of microplastics. basically very small. >> versions of plastic. >> that shed from bigger. >> plastics that you can see. >> with the human eye. >> like plastic. >> bags, tires, you name it. and this is concerning. >> you know, i think this. >> is like a. >> 1950s smoking. >> moment where back then we were just beginning to. >> understand the risks. >> of smoking. >> on the human body. this is we're going to look back 30 years and be like, wow, this is

really quite something. >> we're just. >> understanding this. but this study looked at the fact that plastics are going. >> from our blood. >> microplastics into. >> brain tissue. >> and that's not normal. usually the arteries in. our brain are. >> actually really good at keeping things. >> in our. >> blood vessels, in. >> the blood vessels, not. >> diffusing into the brain tissue around them. so the fact that there's so much. >> just in the last ten. >> years. >> we've. >> seen a doubling. >> in the amount of plastic worldwide. >> the amount. >> of plastic. and autopsies and brains seen in 2024 was. >> almost double. >> than what we saw about ten. >> years ago. >> in 2016. that should just show if there's greater microplastics in the environment around us, there's going to be greater potentially in our organs, especially our vital organs. >> well, i mean, i'll be honest with you, this article kind of freaked me out a little bit because not only did they say that there are no control groups, everyone is exposed, but they talked about the particles burrowing deep into the human body, identified in the liver,

placenta, blood, testicles, even certain arteries that lead to the heart. but the brain appears to be more susceptible to microplastic than other organs. and what does that mean for our long term health? i know there have been studies on mice that suggest it could produce symptoms that are consistent with the early signs of alzheimer's or dementia. >> yeah. >> that's right. >> and so again. >> we don't know yet. there isn't a clear association yet. but what we're seeing. >> that we saw. >> this about a year ago with a study on. >> microplastics in the heart and the heart, basically, that. >> the more we see. microplastics accumulating in the. >> arteries around our heart, the greater there is. >> a potential. >> risk for heart attacks. >> in the brain, potentially. >> strokes or an increased risk of dementia. so this is. >> where it's. >> really vital for everybody. i encourage. everybody to take this seriously. >> i know we have. seemingly endless. >> health crises. we could talk about so many different things. this is. >> one thing that will stand. >> the test of time. so if

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