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>> good to be with you i'm katy tur. >> what is the. >> goal of all. >> these tariffs. >> is it an economic. >> rebalancing a return to. localized manufacturing. >> and self-reliance? >> is it. >> a war on drugs, a war on migration, a. display of dominance or punishment? just because it's. >> hard to say, because it's. >> not exactly clear. >> anyone in trump world. >> including donald. >> trump. >> knows. >> let's go. >> back. and read the executive order where president trump was absolutely, 100% clear that this is not a trade war. this is a drug war. there are perhaps 100,000 people last year that died of fentanyl, and the fentanyl. >> is coming. >> in across. >> the mexican and canadian borders. >> the way you. >> painted it. >> seems like tariffs. >> are magic. >> well, i wouldn't. >> say magic. so remember the tariffs are part of an economic policy. the policy has tax cuts. >> it has weed. >> it has spending cuts. it has energy production. it has regulatory reduction and it has

tariffs. the combination of that i think and tariffs are an important part of it has the potential to have this kind of renaissance. >> all right. so you. >> got drug war there. you've got. >> a renaissance. >> and economic. >> renaissance right there. >> the explanations. >> have been all over the. >> place. >> meaning the job of figuring. >> out how to. >> cure the. >> cure. >> the problem. >> if you're a foreign. state leader or a negotiator, has been difficult. mexico's claudia sheinbaum seemed. >> to figure out at. >> least. >> part of it, at least. >> for now, adding 10,000. soldiers to the mexico. >> side of the border in. exchange for a delay. >> what about canada's prime minister justin. >> trudeau? >> today in the oval. >> office, donald trump implied. >> that part of the issue he has with. >> canada is the way they bank. >> banks aren't allowed to do business in canada. canada is very tough. canada is very you know, we're not treated well by canada and we have to be treated well. banks are not, as an example, allowed. did you know

that that banks, american banks are not allowed to do business in canada? can you believe that? and that's one of many things. and we talked about it. and i think we'll win most of the subjects. >> he's also. >> saying and. >> he's saying. >> this again and again and again. >> so maybe we should take. him seriously, that. canada needs to be the 51st state. >> what i'd like to see canada become our 51st state. we give them protection. military protection. we don't need them to build our cars. i'd rather see detroit or south carolina or any one of our tennessee, any one of our states build the cars. they could do it very easily. we don't need them for the cars. we don't need them for lumber. we don't need them for anything. >> trudeau and donald trump are. >> talking again this hour. >> we're going to see what comes. >> out. >> of that conversation. >> beyond this. >> continent, though. china is also getting hit with tariffs. >> and the. >> european union is. readying itself. >> telling america the. >> block will not be bullied. in

the meantime, what's going to happen to. >> your grocery. >> store prices? everyone keeps. >> an eye on. >> the grocery store. >> what's going to happen there? >> joining us now. >> nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. >> nbc news. >> business and data correspondent brian chung, cnbc. >> global supply chain. >> reporter lori. >> ann larocco. >> a favorite. >> around here. and council. >> on foreign relations senior vice president. >> shannon o'neill. >> all right, everybody. kelly, i'm. >> going to begin with you. >> can you help. >> make sense of the explanations here? because because there have been so many about what these. >> tariffs are supposed. >> to accomplish. >> well. >> the. >> confusion. >> if any of us. >> and our. >> viewers are. >> experiencing it is warranted. >> because there. >> have in fact. >> been many different. >> data points. >> many. >> different comments made that are. >> not all coming together. >> to make. >> this. easily understandable. the president, we know. >> has a. >> long time. >> support for the idea. >> of using tariffs. he has employed them before. >> and he is doing so now. and it. >> is in. >> rendering the. >> kind of response. from mexico and canada are two closest

neighbors and allies. to have a flurry of activity to. >> try. >> to get at the heart of this. what is. unclear is what specifically. >> each of our. >> neighboring countries could do. to prevail. >> upon president trump to not go forward with this. >> i asked him on friday in the oval office, is this a negotiation? he said no. are there specific concessions that you're trying to elicit in to. >> to receive? >> and he said no. >> yes. thank you. and again today, not clear as to what he wants to. >> be done. >> he seems to certainly appreciate the engagement. >> from president. >> sheinbaum of mexico, already making some promises to send troops to the border to be engaged on. delaying for a month this period of tariffs, which are supposed to go into effect tuesday. so buying some time there and so talking seems to lead to a bit of a renegotiation, a bit of a breather. will that happen for prime minister justin trudeau, who is having his second phone

call of the day with president trump scheduled at this time? we don't have any reports yet on what is contained in that. and you may recall during the late fall period after the president won the election, trudeau went right down to mar a lago when there was talk of tariffs, to try to have dinner with him and to try to engage immediately. so our our neighbors and partners are eager to talk. they want to they want to push this off for the economic concerns. that doesn't even get into the whole notion of another sovereign country being talked about as a state. and what that does to the friendships. when the united states has been in trouble, who came to our aid first? certainly canada was among those. and so there's a lot of confusion here about the approach, what the underlying reasons are, what's written in the orders that the president signs has, in fact, focused on the drug issues. but he seems to speak more broadly about a range of issues. katie. >> yeah. i mean, so many. different explanations there, brian. i just want to kind of parse through a couple of them

now. because i think it's worth it. when he talks about the banking thing came out of left field for me. and i will admit. >> that. >> i don't know a ton about the canadian banking system. what exactly is the complaint that he has? >> yeah, and he repeated this multiple times in his remarks while signing those executive orders this afternoon. but it's not really clear what he means by the united states is not allowed to do banking in canada. jp morgan chase i just looked this up. this is the biggest institution in the united states, as many people will be familiar in the form of chase bank. they have 600 employees across canada. vancouver, toronto, montreal. they have offices there. they say they do five different lines of business there. so it's not necessarily clear there are u.s. banks that do business in canada. it is also true, though, on the other hand, that canadian banks make up the majority of the banking industry in canada. so yes, the likes. >> of. >> most countries. >> yeah. that's right. exactly. that's true of most countries. so i don't know if he's talking about licensing or regulatory rules that maybe prohibit u.s. banks from doing business in canada if they don't have a license. but that's the case here in the united states as well. if you are a foreign bank,

you can't just set up shop in the united states without registering either with the occ or with the fdic and then with the federal reserve. but again, it's unclear exactly what he means by that because he didn't specify. >> i also. >> would love to know from you what exactly is going to potentially cost more. i mean, we talk about the grocery store. that's kind of the easiest to digest. i mean, no pun intended there. well done. it's the most accessible for us. but it's not just the grocery store. it's if you're. taxing aluminum, it's getting on planes. if you're taxing glass, it's every single apartment building and how much it's going to cost to rent an apartment. there are so many of the unforeseen costs that come along with tariffs. >> yeah. and now that we do know that there's a delay in the mexican tariffs, perhaps until maybe march, we'll have that conversation again. let's talk about canadian oil because that is a major import into the united states. some estimates say that gas prices could rise at the pump between 15 to $0.25 as a result of that. but when it comes to everything else, we have to remember we import a lot of fruits, potatoes, meat. pork is a big import that comes from canada. a frozen potatoes is another major one that comes from canada as well as canola

oil. so these are all things that could raise the prices at the grocery store. but i also want to point out that agricultural production, even in the united states, could be impacted because you look at a product like potash, for example, this is a type of, you know, agricultural supplement that adds potassium to the soil, which helps farmers across the united states. this is a big deal in iowa, where you even saw chuck grassley, a red blooded republican, saying, hey, i think we should carve out an exemption from these trump tariffs for potash because that could impact all types of agricultural products here in the united states over the long run, if that does come to pass. so there are just many ways where a 25% tariff could could impact prices. >> all right. >> lori-ann, you're our port expert, our supply chain expert expert. give us a sense of if this canadian 25% tariff remains, if the tariff on china remains, if there are new tariffs levied on the european union and maybe the texaco tariff. mexico tariff comes back because donald trump decides tomorrow that he's actually not that happy with 10,000 troops. how is this going to affect the

way things are moving around? >> it's going to. >> be a wallop to the wallet. >> i mean, that that's all i have to say. i mean, when you. >> look. >> at the multi-front storm, you know, we're. >> talking about. >> countries, we're. >> talking about companies, we're talking about industries. >> but when. >> you're looking at the building blocks. >> like one. >> thing. like in. >> canada. >> chlorine wood. >> it's the we. >> are. >> the largest importer of. >> of. >> their chlorine, 80% of their chlorine. >> goes to the west. >> coast to purify. >> drinking water. >> we need water. and so, you. >> know. >> trade takes people. >> you've got jobs that are intersected. >> the fact that canada. >> has pulled off u.s. products off their shelves. that means that truckers that. >> get paid. >> you know. >> per load. >> that eliminates. >> a trade route. >> and so it's. >> this building block and. >> so on effect, if you will. you know, going back to the first trade war, you know, when you're looking at the inflationary impact, it's transitory, right? >> just like when we saw that $30,000. >> container. >> katie. >> six months from. >> now, three months from.

>> now, we are going to see from the longer time the consumers that the consumer products are. >> going to. >> be hit, then back to school products that will definitely be up. >> and the reason. >> why katie is because right now. they are negotiating. brands are negotiating with retailers for the price of their product, as well as how much of the product that they're going to be ordering. and that stuff is actually coming in in may and june. and so it's all of this, that it's a conundrum. >> a wallop to the wallet, as you said a moment ago, shannon, let's focus in on one of the claims that that is being made, the fentanyl crisis. americans would like fentanyl to stop coming into this country. absolutely, absolutely. is this going to stop fentanyl from coming into the country? and is fentanyl a problem coming in from canada? >> so the short answer. >> is no. >> putting tariffs or. >> threatening tariffs and. >> even putting. >> in mexico said 10,000 troops. >> on. >> the border to stop fentanyl. that's not how it comes in.

>> and we also see the chinese tariffs. the 10% tariffs. >> also are about fentanyl. asking china to stop. >> sending the precursors. >> to mexico. >> to other places. but the challenge here is one that the precursors that. >> come in. >> these are regular. things that go into fertilizer, that. >> go into all kinds. >> of things that we use on a regular basis. so it's hard to distinguish. and two, the way you go after drug cartels, the. >> way you go after. >> organized crime is not putting troops along the border. that stop packages. that might just be. >> the. >> size of an envelope. it's that you actually go after the financials. you go after it with intelligence. you figure out who's making things and bringing them into the united states. and what we. do know. >> is. >> yes, lots of it comes in. >> from mexico. >> some of it comes in straight from china, the precursors to the united states through u.s. ports. but very. >> little. >> of it comes from canada. >> if you're going to take the war on drugs out of it, and you're going to try to go back to resetting an economic equilibrium, there are a lot of folks out there who maybe feel uncomfortable with the way that globalization has worked, maybe feel like the world is maybe too

inter-tangled, and they want to get back to american manufacturing, want to buy things here, want to feel like they're this country is less dependent on goods from from everywhere else in the world. shannon, if you are somebody who says, hey, listen, i think it's maybe a good idea to try to isolate ourselves a little bit more, try to refocus on people doing things and making things. here is, are these tariffs the way to get there? >> the problem is that these tariffs in many ways, for those that do want to, you know, as they say, reshore. production or have more things made in the united states. the problem with these tariffs is that the united states and u.s. workers and companies are competing in a global world. they're trying to compete against products that are made better, faster, cheaper in other parts of the world. and what we found over those last 30 years of globalization is the way you can compete is actually to have big economies of scale, to be able to work with other nations to make things faster, cheaper and better. and the examples we have actually, where we do it well, where we succeed

not just in our own market, but globally are things. >> like automotive. >> we have an incredible supply chain for automotive where we make great cars, but that happens across north america. we do it in aerospace, but there too, we depend on canada and mexico to make planes that we can sell all around the world, including to ourselves. we do it in machinery, we do it in capital goods, we do it in processed foods. much of this, though, we depend on pieces or parts or components that come from our neighbors, or we make those pieces and parts and sell them to our neighbors, who then can send them out to the world. so where we've actually succeeded, where we've created u.s. jobs when we're competing with products on the global scale, is when we are working often with canada and mexico. and these tariffs will make it much, much harder to do that. >> all right. we'll see if this canadian tariff remains. it goes into effect tomorrow. but again justin trudeau and president trump will be speaking or speaking potentially right now about this. so we'll see if they get a deal like the mexicans were able to get with america for at least a pause. everybody,

thank you so much for starting us off on this extremely confusing topic. kelly, brian, lori ann, and shannon, i appreciate it. still ahead, you guys all made us smarter. thank you. still ahead, a deadline just passed and the fbi's investigation of the january 6th investigators. what is happening inside the fbi right now? not trying to figure out whether they did a good job with the prosecutions, but to figure out who was prosecuting and try to find them, to purge them. we have great reporting coming up in a moment. plus, what happened at a at us aid today after elon musk told employees not to come to work, the entrances were roped off and the windows were blacked out. and a major salvage operation is underway in the potomac river. what we're learning about the investigation. we are back in 90s. >> hey, you. i'm talking to all

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you reached out to me this morning saying, please have me on to talk about this, because there are real scary consequences of what's happening inside the fbi and who they're looking at and who they potentially just want to get rid of. >> right. >> so let's. >> put some. faces and some ids, generally speaking, to the people that we're talking about when they did the january 6th case. and this was a decision made by the justice department and made. by fbi leadership at the time, they said, this is going to fall to the joint. >> terrorism task force. >> they're the right group and the right group of agents to investigate these types of cases. >> the agents. >> that. >> are assigned to those task forces who are investigating isis, al qaeda extremists here at home. et cetera. those people do not get to choose which house they knock on, which house they execute a search warrant on, who they arrest once they've developed probable cause that's determined in concert with their superiors, that's. >> determined with the courts. >> that's determined. >> with prosecutors. so these. >> individual agents. >> who have now been singled. >> out and received. >> these surveys, who their very

existence. >> as agents, appears. >> to be a bit of a question. >> why are they asking. >> for this information? >> there is. >> a process in the fbi. if you're. >> an fbi. >> agent, you do the wrong thing. >> there's a. >> process that somebody could go through and say, all right, we. >> want to examine. >> the work this person did, but now they're wondering, what is. >> this all about? >> and to be clear to the public, there would be no greater gift in the eyes of people that understand terrorism than. >> for. >> these jttfs to be decimated. they're the ones that are. investigating the people that want to drive over you. when you're out at a public fair, they're investigating. >> the. >> people that still want. >> to attack the aviation system. they're investigating. >> the people. >> that we saw. >> in. >> case after case after. >> case last year, whether it was iranians trying to assassinate journalists here in new york city, whether it was people that wanted to blow up a synagogue, people that wanted to conduct some sort of an attack on election day in the name of isis, those individuals are investigated by the joint terrorism task force. so it has enormous consequences. double down. on top of that, what is

the prognosis for the fbi going forward with public corruption investigations? if you know that if you touch something that's close to the trump administration is the january 6th cases are they've talked about on numerous occasions. these are not opinions, katie. these are facts that if it's close to them, what type of ramifications am i going to have to deal with? so in other words, let's look at michael cohen right past administration. he was somebody who was not in the immediate orbit of donald trump, but pretty close to it. if somebody was to open a case like that in somebody that is involved in the trump administration, are they going to assume i'm going to be fired on the spot, or worse, what's going to become of that? and then they. >> have. >> to have the long term thought process now of, okay, well, if this becomes an accepted practice that i open a public corruption investigation or some sort of corruption investigation on somebody in one administration, am i going to get. fired in the next administration when a different party comes into power and people could say, well, the democrats would never do that, but i think a lot of people

would have thought they never would have been never. discussion after. >> nine over. >> 11 of dismissing entire components of the counterterrorism division of the fbi. >> yeah. listen. >> this is a real concern. >> i think, when you say jttf, if you live in new york city, you know what what they do, the joint terrorism task force, you know, that there's a big reason why this city has remained unscathed by a terrorist attack since 2001. why why these things have been foiled, why you get the fizzles, why? why you stop the subway bombers, whatever, whatever might want to happen in this city, right? they are out there every day trying to keep the city safe. >> zero fail mission. >> just it's a zero fail mission. they all say it's not. it's not if but when they understand that something's going to slip through. but they are doing really hard work. and i didn't realize that these were jttf agents. >> if you just look. >> at the public. >> documents, that is scary. >> yeah. if you look at the public documents and the press releases and things that have gone out associated around the january. >> 6th. >> investigation, by the way, you bring up new york city, you know, we've had some. terrorism attacks. there have been a

number of plots foiled, as you mentioned in new york city is totally different because the nypd is such a massive component of the jttfs. but when you look at cities and states around the country, it is the fbi in very limited local presence that's there. so i expect that we'll hear more about this in the coming. >> well. >> that's that's great. >> tom windsor, thank you so much for bringing us that. all right. elon musk appears to have quite a bit of power, certainly more than anyone in the american public gave him. no one elected him. over the weekend, he declared usaid, usaid, the agency that provides humanitarian support to countries in crisis. a criminal organization. >> none of this could. >> be done without the full. >> support of the president. >> you know. and with regard to the usaid aid stuff, i went over it with him. you know, in detail. and he he agreed with the that we should we should shut it down. i mean, that's i want to be clear that's, you know, and i actually shared with him a few times said, are you sure? like, yes.

>> so we're shutting. >> it down. >> today, staffers were told to stay home, and the agency's website is now offline in front of the office. though today, this afternoon, protesters gathered to say, this isn't cool. you can't do this. along with democrats who said they're going to push back. >> and just like the president. >> who is elected to something. cannot impound the money of the people, we don't have. >> a fourth branch of government called. >> elon musk. >> now, i don't know what elon musk's intentions are. >> i don't know what elon musk's motivations are. i don't know what his purposes. >> are. >> but they've. got nothing. >> to. >> do with what has been. lawfully adopted by the people of the united states of america. through the congress of the. >> united states. >> we're going to defend u.s. aid all the way. >> joining us now from capitol hill, nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard and staff writer with the atlantic and msnbc political

contributor mark leibovich. all right. so how did elon musk go about deciding this? and why did the white house, does the white house know what usaid does? >> i think that there's a lot of questions. and, katie, i think that, frankly, the president of united states is not answered about his understanding of what this $40 billion operation that effectively works with, you know, more than 100 different organizations, more than 60 different missions globally to work as a conduit for congressionally appropriated funds for humanitarian assistance and local development projects. and what donald trump in the oval office just a short time ago acknowledged to the press corps was that, in fact, he is okay with the way that elon musk has gone about effectively crippling the backbone of u.s. humanitarian assistance or organization. and not only that, but also elon musk's efforts within the treasury department to gain

access through employees of payment disbursement files. but then also, when you're looking at elon musk in that space as conversation he had in after midnight last night, katie, it is a suggestion that they are willing to freeze billions of dollars in foreign assistance, but also potentially other payments. and what we heard from the president was no suggestion that he has any interest in putting a stop to the efforts of elon musk. we heard from some of those democratic lawmakers on the literal front line of the government offices there at usaid headquarters, which was shut down today, and staffers who have not been fired or furloughed were told not to come to that office. and what you heard from some of those democratic lawmakers was the argument that elon musk, the billionaire, has effectively been allowed to access not only personnel files but also cut off congressionally approved funds through these major governmental agencies. >> mark, one of the arguments

against this is that usaid makes this country safer. it's one of the ways in which we spread our influence. it's one of the ways in which we garner goodwill, and that without us doing it, you leave open an opportunity for a rival or for china or for russia to go in there and start to act like the like the savior or like the, you know, the helping hand that that we've so long been. >> yeah. >> i mean. >> i think look, there's no question. >> about that. and i don't. >> think for a second that people in the white house, certainly not donald trump, have looked. >> into the. >> details of what they do every day at usaid. i do think, though, in the broad brush of what they see, their mission as is look, it's halfway around the world. there are a lot of this stuff is a long way from. us or us, right? they also see that it's very, very expensive. and it looks. >> to them. >> vis a vis like the trump sort of maga message, like a throwback, like a remnant. >> of a. >> time, which was much more globalized when much america was much more focused. on being a

sort of force for goodwill around the world. whereas trump and obviously his supporters in a pretty high proportion of the electorate. believes that it's time to sort of rein that in a little bit. now, look, the method looks seems looks kind of kind of crude. and i think ultimately this will probably wind up in court because there's a lot of jurisdictional questions about this, about, you know, what congress is authorized to decide here and so forth. but i do think that this is very much in line with what donald trump has run. >> on. >> what donald trump has spoken about, and ultimately what i think his supporters want. >> i think you're right about that. there are questions, though, about whether we'll be able to. well, let me ask you this. democrats and they're trying to find their voice. we saw them outside of the headquarters for usaid. are they are they having any success? >> i mean, look, i think democrats and everyone are sort of struggling to know where to start with all this because it's one thing after another. you know, i think one of the advantages that donald trump and

the white house have is obviously they're controlling events here. they are. they have not only the bully pulpit, but they obviously have a shock and awe strategy to sort of use the cliche or the code word they're using. so yeah, it's hard whether you're in a great position or a weakened position. i think the democratic party are clearly in the latter. it's hard to get your head around this, and it's hard to hone in on something like this because, you know, as we've seen so many times, donald trump is a hard guy to go up against just because there is so much he is throwing at you at once. i think, you know, this is one of the many problems democrats have right now. but i mean, i think, you know, obviously, i think they have a lot of good arguments here. i just don't think any of it is getting through just because so much of this is being dominated by the white house. >> it's like covering a category five hurricane every single day. mark leibovich, vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. coming up, an nbc news exclusive report, what the trump administration is doing with the immigrants that the president himself campaigned on deporting first. we are live in virginia as recovery crews are removing the wreckage from

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were trying to deal with some water infiltration. that was a part of part of getting access into the helicopter's black box. they did expect that they would be able to get access to that information. and you make a good point. we got some information from the from the airplane's black box that indicated that it was at about 325ft. that was the altitude at the time of the crash, give or take a few feet. the tower, the air traffic control tower here had a reading that put the collision at roughly 200ft. that is something that obviously presents a discrepancy, right? the data that would come from the aircraft, the two of them, would be much more accurate. and so that is why they really need to get into the black box from the helicopter to figure out exactly what the altitude reading was on that aircraft. and then they've got to start figuring out why, if one of them was at the wrong altitude, and obviously some one of the aircraft was figuring out why that was the case. they'll listen to the voice data

recorders to see what the conversation was like inside the cockpit of those aircraft. at the same time, we do still have a robust salvage and recovery operation happening here that's being led by the d.c. fire department and the army corps of engineers. we do expect to get an update from them at 4:00 this afternoon. we've seen already today a couple of pieces of the airplane lifted out of the water. we saw an engine early this morning. we saw another large part of the aircraft lifted out. an hour or so later. there was a bit of a pause in between those two moments where we saw the crews stop working. we saw them put up a tent on one of the boats that's out here in the water, a blue tent, and as well as a tarp. we've been told last night that if during the course of lifting that wreckage, they found additional remains, that the work would stop, that they would find a dignified way to remove those remains from the water or the fuselage and then continue their work. katie. so again, we expect to get an update at 4:00 this evening. you see this evening to see exactly what has happened on the water

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netanyahu really is on a knife edge. he's trying to keep the far right inside his government. minister smotrich, for example. crucially. and yet, at the same time, he's under pressure from the families of the hostages to. >> get all. >> of the hostages out. and that won't happen until the end of the second round. the part two of this ceasefire. this fragile ceasefire. i'll just tell you, we've heard from keith siegel's daughter, chaya, just in the past hour or two, in which she described his time in in captivity with hamas. he's, of course, the most recent american to be released as hell from my father a year and four months, during which he was in the darkest and scariest place on earth. she says he barely saw daylight, and then her mother, aviva, who was also in captivity but was released. she spoke for the first time to the press and she said, i thank president trump from the bottom of my heart before going on to urge him to see this process through.

now, president trump has sent varying messages about whether you know how fragile this is and how committed he is to this ceasefire, because of course, we've seen hamas fighters on the streets of gaza again, even while these handovers have been taking place. katie. and israel is really, honestly divided. i mean, one israeli reporter during the handover over the weekend said openly, it's really difficult to watch this and see how hamas is in control of gaza in the way it is again. now. there are many other aspects to this. of course, hezbollah has been seriously weakened in lebanon. iran has been has been weakened. i think one of the things that prime minister netanyahu will talk to president trump about, he's said it openly that he he plans to is about iran. and one of the looming questions is whether israel will strike iran's nuclear program. will president trump support it when america even support it with munitions? >> all right keir simmons, thank you for that. and joining us now

senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace and former arab-israeli negotiator at the state department aaron david miller. so if benjamin netanyahu comes to the white house and says, this is what i want to do with iran, is he going to get a friendly ear, a helpful ear from president trump? >> look, i think the. >> thanks for having me, kate. i think. >> the optics. >> of the meeting will. >> be fine. >> i mean, donald. >> trump. >> fashions himself to be the most. pro-israeli president. >> in the history of the. >> relationship. >> and he clearly he. >> cares about israel. >> but he. >> cares more about donald trump. >> and the reality, i think, for benjamin netanyahu. is that on two. core issues, number one, the president's. >> determination to win a nobel peace prize. and if you google donald trump. >> nobel. you end up with a lot of entries. he really does want a. >> nobel for. >> an israeli saudi normalization agreement. that's one. and number two, he does not want to see iran cross the nuclear. >> threshold on his. >> watch, but he also does not want to see a. >> major middle. >> east war. >> both of those. >> issues, israeli saudi

normalization and iran right now conflict with the agenda of the prime minister and the most right wing. government in israel's history over which he presides. so i think that. >> again, i think. >> neither trump nor netanyahu can afford a bad meeting. they don't want a. >> bad meeting. >> but i believe that if netanyahu thinks. >> he can play. >> donald trump the way he manipulated joe biden, i think he's probably. >> he's probably wrong. >> and i think that's a key consideration. one last point when he did manipulate. >> the former president, and i. >> think. >> he did. >> he had. a court of higher appeals. >> to which he. >> could appeal, which was the republican party. these days, it seems to me that donald trump seems to be the republican party. so i think netanyahu's leverage right now is lower than it. >> was over the last. >> four years. >> what is donald trump most interested in? is he most

interested in israel and the survival of israel and the best interests of israel, or is he more interested in maintaining a good and fruitful relationship with saudi arabia? because those two things can, you know, they can work together, but they also can be in conflict, right? >> i mean, i think donald trump wants to win, right? we've heard this so many times. he wants to succeed. he wants to demonstrate that no other american president or secretary of state or administration could achieve the kind of results in the middle east that he wants to achieve, how. >> serious he. >> is about. >> this, how much leverage he's actually prepared to bring against israel in this regard is unclear, but you're dealing with a highly transactional individual whose conception of the national interest. i think if trump 1.0 is any indication, is subordinated to his financial interests, to his politics, to his vanity, and again to his

wanting to succeed. and i think mr. netanyahu needs. >> to bake that into his cake. >> as he. >> deals with donald trump. >> during this first meeting. >> the immediate issue. katy is moving from phase one to phase two. >> and. >> that's going to. >> be difficult. >> i would. >> say right now i'm not. >> confident that it will. let's get through phase one. but negotiations start or should have started yesterday or today on phase two. so i think netanyahu is going to play for time and see if he can convince donald trump that he has to defeat hamas before any serious and realistic solution to gaza can be obtained. >> i got 10s left, but are you bothered by seeing hamas back in seemingly back in charge? >> 100%. >> but it's. >> absolutely no. >> no surprise to me. >> this is not total victory. they're going to continue to

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