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administration tries to shut down that agency. what more we're hearing from the hill outsourcing. secretary of state marco rubio says el salvador is offering to take in violent u.s. criminals, including those with american citizenship. can they do that? plus you're fired. maybe the trump administration has notified more than a thousand employees at the epa. they could be out of a job immediately. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, and we begin with that new lawsuit filed by fbi agents against the doj. nbc's ken dilanian is here with us. ken, what more can you tell us about this? >> chris, there. >> are. >> nine plaintiffs that are. >> not named in this lawsuit. >> and they argue. >> that the. >> effort to compile a list of fbi employees who worked on january 6th cases amounts to. >> an. >> attempt at legal retribution. and they go. >> on to say that the very act.

>> of compiling lists of persons who worked on matters. >> that upset. >> donald trump is retaliatory in nature, intended to intimidate. fbi agents and other personnel. >> and to discourage. >> them from reporting any future malfeasance by donald trump and. >> his agents. >> and they are asking a judge to essentially halt what's been going on at the fbi. which is a request for the names. and then surveys were sent to people asking them. exactly what they did on the january 6th cases. >> and look. >> the government has a right. >> to evaluate. >> employees and compile lists of employees. but what these. >> fbi agents. >> are saying is that the dissemination of this list is. illegal in that it puts them at risk because they're saying that january 6th felons are already out there disseminating the names and personal information about fbi agents who worked on these cases. they say that that's a security risk. >> and they just say. >> that this. >> is an effort at. >> intimidating them. >> from doing their jobs. and so they are asking. >> a judge to step. >> in here, chris, and look, while there's only nine

plaintiffs here, there's a universe of 6000 or so fbi agents and personnel who worked on these cases. so it stands to reason that many, many more people may join this lawsuit. chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you. now to questions surrounding usaid and whether lawmakers will try to step in and save it. nbc's ryan nobles joins me from capitol hill. what's the latest there, ryan? >> well, there doesn't seem to be a lot of nervousness among senate and house republicans right now about donald trump and the administration's effort to rein in and dismantle this aid organization that provides hundreds of millions of dollars in funding all around the world. senate republicans believe that this review is necessary. they believe that usaid has acted outside the scope of the state department and the general mission of the united states, and that this review is necessary. and even though that it's been statutorily approved by previous congresses, that the money has been appropriated by previous congresses, they seem to have no problem at all with

handing over this responsibility and authority to donald trump to defund and possibly eliminate this agency without any input from them. listen to what some of the senators told us today. >> if there's massive fraud, if the if the funds aren't being directed where the congress has appropriated and the president has signed and we need to know about that. so i'm actually in a fact finding mood. >> so that seems to be the position of most republican senators, that they actually don't view this, at least at this stage, as a complete ending of the program or even the ending of the funding. instead, they view it as an opportunity for the administration to kind of figure out where the money is going and make sure that the money is going to the right places. now, that stands in contrast to what elon musk has tweeted about this organization, claiming that it was going through the wood chipper, which would indicate that it's being completely dismantled. republican members of congress

believe that this is a much more deliberative process, and they're willing to give the administration the time and space to figure it out before they make any effort whatsoever to try and stand in the way of this progress. chris. >> ryan nobles, thank you. now to the unprecedented offer from el salvador's president to house criminals, including u.s. citizens, for a fee, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell is following this for us. is this an offer the trump administration is actually considering or or could do? well, yes. >> according to the secretary of state, marco rubio, marco rubio was in el salvador yesterday. he's in costa rica today. and he was questioned about this today because when he was in el salvador, he met there with the president of el salvador, nayib bukele, who made this offer. now, this new president, a relatively new a couple of years in el salvador, has cracked down on the gangs, the criminals. he has made his reputation by

building this enormous supermax prison, chris. and it's a prison that they are very proud of. he's a controversial figure, very charismatic, reelected because he made el salvador much safer and safer for business and for people to live in. but he's also cracked down on individual rights, and he's been a very tough leader as well. and in meeting with marco rubio, he promised to take more migrants from the u.s. that's something that they wanted. he has been cooperating on that front. but here's what happened. when he offered to also take convicted american citizens and put them in this supermax prison. and this is what rubio had to say today when the secretary was in costa rica. >> that's an offer president bukele made. obviously, we'll have to study it on our end. there are obviously legalities involved. we have a constitution. we have all sorts of things, but. >> it's a very generous offer. no one has ever made. >> an offer like that. and to outsource at a fraction of the

cost, at least some of the most dangerous and violent. >> criminals that we have. >> in the united states. but obviously, the administration will have to make a decision. and it's but it's. i raised it yesterday because it's an incredible. >> offer and. >> an unprecedented one. >> well. >> of course, it is unprecedented because it raises a lot of legal questions, as you've alluded to, chris. but and it could be that secretary rubio is being diplomatic about it and that they will look at the legalities and say, thank you very much, but we're sorry. we can't accept it. it's just one of the issues. he's dealing with this on the trip, of course, because while he's been on the trip, the president transferred u.s. aid over to him and he's delegated it to a state department official who is rather controversial for cutting a lot of programs. and, you know, they've closed it down, they've shut the computers off, they've taken out the removed the top leadership. and there's a lot of controversy of that as well. >> indeed there is. andrea mitchell thank you for that.

now, to the epa and warnings that pink slips could be coming. i want to bring in nbc news white house correspondent gabe gutierrez. this obviously was a scary email that employees got. what's happening? >> yeah that's right chris. look around 1100 employees received this email saying essentially that they could be dismissed immediately. that's because the employees were identified as, quote, probationary, meaning that they worked at the epa for under a year and therefore had less job protection. now, union representatives say that no one who received the email has been let go just yet, but that the email itself is very scary for these employees. they want to know what's going to. happen next. and of course, this comes as the federal, the trump administration has offered federal employees buyouts as seeking to eliminate usaid, as you were just discussing. so there are a lot of questions about the future of these 1100 employees. now, we should point out that an epa spokesperson

says that the goal here is to be open and transparent and to create a more effective and efficient federal government that serves all americans. but certainly, chris, this is the trump administration trying to make good on its promise to cut a lot from the federal government. and already at the epa so far, employees that work on dei initiatives have been placed on administrative leave. chris. >> gabe gutierrez thank you. in 90s, the trump administration's plans for the department of education and what are schools might look like without one? you're watching chris jansing reports. >> that's $225 for the night. >> not bad. >> $155 for. >> the night. how? it's easy when you know where to look. >> trivago compares hotel. >> prices from hundreds of sites. sites. >> so you carl: what's up, carl nation! it's your #1 broker with the best full-service wealth management skills in the biz. tech asst: actually i'm seeing something from schwab.

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sending education back to the states. as someone who used to run the department, what is your argument about why it's needed? >> look, the tragic thing here is there's actually. >> a strong national, bipartisan. >> consensus around. >> the things the department does. >> the department. >> provides funding. for schools serving. >> low income students. >> the department. >> provides funding. >> for students with disabilities and. the services they desperately need. the department. >> manages the. >> pell grant. >> program, which provides help for. >> low income. >> students to. >> pursue the american. >> dream through higher education. >> everybody across. >> the aisle. >> believes those are valuable. >> things. >> and. >> that's the job. >> of the department. and that's. >> why ultimately, i think congress. needs to step up here to protect students. >> and their families. >> just last week, the nation's report card showed that in both reading and math, most fourth and eighth graders in 2024 are still performing below pre-pandemic levels. what kind

of impact do you think eliminating the department of education could have on how not just our children learn, but how they're catching up? >> well, you're exactly right. this is. >> a moment where. >> we should. >> be intensifying national attention on the needs of our students. >> the fact that so many students haven't fully recovered from covid is a threat. to their long term prospects, whether or not they'll be able to do well in high school, go on to college, pursue. >> careers. >> pursue trades. we need the federal education department. to lead on these. >> issues to show states. >> best practices, to. >> say, you know, here's something that's happening. >> in tennessee. >> or here's something. >> that's happening in massachusetts that's working. and make sure that other states are aware of that. >> and we need. >> to be investing more in things that we know work, like intense tutoring to help our students make up ground. >> we shouldn't be. >> talking about dismantling the department. >> we should.

>> be talking about our national commitment to education. >> here's the argument on the other side, republican congressman thomas massie has introduced a bill to abolish the department and he says, quote, unelected bureaucrats in washington, d.c. should not be in charge of our children's intellectual and moral development. states and local communities are best positioned to shape curricula that meets the needs of their students. what do you think of that argument? >> well, part. >> of what's so. >> worrying here is that the department's role is to protect students, to protect students against discrimination. we need a federal role there. that's why the department was created in 1979, because we needed the civil rights enforcement role of the department. we need the department to say you have to serve your african american students. you have to serve your students with disabilities. you have to treat female students fairly in athletics. those are the kinds of things that are the

responsibility of the department. and the question remains, without the department, who will do that? who will look out for those who are most vulnerable? >> we're in a very uncertain time. i don't have to tell you. for folks who work in the federal government, we have seen lots of workers across federal agencies threatened with firing. education department could go away. they're pushing potentially for usaid, as we've been talking about today, fbi members of the fbi, now, new cabinet secretaries have to walk in and run those departments. what do you imagine as someone who has been there, what that must be like under these circumstances and the way a workforce, particularly a professional workforce that has been employed for years, must be feeling? >> i think. >> many of the folks in our federal workforce are feeling demoralized, discouraged, disappointed. they are there because they're committed to public service, because they want to make a positive difference in the lives of their fellow citizens. we should be

celebrating people who commit to careers of public service, not denigrating them. so i think it's going to be important for agency leaders to try to rally folks around the mission of their agency at the education department. these are folks who care deeply about schools. many of them are former teachers themselves. they want to see our kids succeed. they want to see our college students thrive, and we ought to be empowering them to do that. >> chancellor john king jr. thank you. >> thanks so much. >> 313 days after the deadly baltimore key bridge collapse, maryland officials have now revealed the blueprint for new construction. take a look. this is the plan for the new bridge, shown to reporters by governor wes moore at a press conference today. >> we still have work to do. >> but this. >> is an. >> incredibly important. >> step forward. >> six people did die after a ship collided with the bridge last march, snapping that

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>> uncertainty is growing today around trump's tariff war. the threat against canada and mexico is on pause for at least 30 days, but a 10% tariff on goods from china went into effect this morning, and beijing is promising retaliatory measures that could kick in next week. a trade war between the world's two largest economies. joining us now, democratic senator of michigan gary peters, who is a member of the commerce committee. good to have you back on the program, senator. let's start in your home state, because the auto industry accounts for, i think, about a fifth of michigan's workforce. how concerned are you about any impact china's retaliatory tariffs could have on that sector in particular? >> well, we'll have. >> to wait and see. for the with the chinese tariffs. >> exactly where that's going. >> to hit. i mean, obviously. >> our major. concern was with. canada and mexico and particular canada. >> you know, we do a massive amount of trade in michigan. >> in fact. >> we're probably the number

one. >> state in terms. >> of. >> trade with canada. >> in fact, the. two two of the three. >> busiest border. >> crossings in north america. are in michigan. >> detroit. >> windsor, port huron, sarnia. and the auto industry is very. >> integrated with canada. you'll have parts that will go back and forth. >> sometimes many times. >> and so. >> if those canadian tariffs went into place, you would see definitely an increase in car prices, estimated anywhere from a thousand to several thousands of dollars hitting consumers. it could have impact on jobs and production. it is something that simply can't go forward as is. and, you know, the auto industry. >> would be impacted. >> and when that. >> happens, it's a big deal. >> for us in michigan, but certainly for the country as well. >> according to fitch ratings, michigan is the state with the most imports from canada, mexico and china as a percentage of their state gdp, 19%. give us a little more on the real world impact. and i'm thinking particularly the impact of uncertainty, if there's a long

term back and forth of escalating de-escalating, escalating tariffs, threats, back off threats, back offs. >> yeah, the. >> impact of chaos. >> is terrible. >> for businesses trying to plan. >> you know. >> if you have some certainty, you. can make plans and be able to adjust. your your business model. but with this kind of uncertainty you can't do that. and that ends up actually costing more money. it also could potentially mean an impact. >> to jobs. >> but if you have the tariffs in place, it certainly increases those prices. and so you can't govern this way. and the thing that is really for me, i you know, i'm. >> the. >> lead democrat on homeland security and, and the president's threat about tariffs for both canada and mexico and mexico. and i'll just talk about canada. >> was to have border security. >> i can tell you the canadian government and what we. >> see. >> in the northern border where i live, they are great partners. for us. in fact, they are on our. >> coast guard vessels. >> in the great lakes because of

the shared border. working on border security, they have already made substantial investments in upgrading that as well. in fact, the announcement that they they made is something they actually made back in december. >> of over $1 billion of. >> additional investments in border security. so to threaten economic chaos, to make life difficult. >> for. >> folks who go to work every day in the auto industry, it makes no sense of what we're seeing from the president. he needs to be focused on issues that bring down costs for americans, as opposed to increasing the cost, is what we would actually get if he follows through. we still don't know. we have to wait 30 days to see. >> if. these tariffs are indeed. >> going to go away. we don't know. and with uncertainty means increased costs. >> what donald trump and his supporters would argue is that the administration got both mexico and canada to put more security at the border to amp up the presence there. so does tough talk work?

>> well, in the case of. >> canada. >> what they got is what what actually. >> canada announced last. year basically an. additional billion dollars. >> it was december. >> when they announced. >> it. >> before donald trump made this this threat against our friend. let me just step back. you know, i work with canadians all the time, and canadians. are our neighbor. they're our closest ally. >> and friend. >> and they. feel betrayed. that when you're a good friend, you don't expect your your good friend. to try to hurt your economy. and the other thing to remember about canada is if you take energy out, we actually have a trade surplus with with canada. >> we sell more. >> to canada than they buy from us. >> with the exception. >> of oil. and if you're looking at getting oil. if we're not going to have oil in the united states, if i'm going. >> to buy. >> from another country, it's a lot better buying from canada, our closest friend and ally, than other countries. >> that provide oil to our country. >> so this this is a. >> move by. >> the president that makes no.

sense whatsoever. and it harms what is a great relationship with our neighbor and friend, canada. >> let me ask you about domestic politics, because you shocked political watchers when you said you were not going to run for reelection. you said it's time to pass the torch to the next generation. although i think by senate standards you're not old. so there is concern that you've made it harder for democrats to control the senate. did that weigh on you, senator, and how much of your decision was influenced by the overall political climate? >> no. >> actually it wasn't. >> this is a decision that my wife. >> colleen and i made. after a lot of thinking about another chapter. and i've always believed from the day that i got sworn in and ran for congress back in 2008, that i wouldn't do this. the rest of my life. >> i would do what our founders. >> thought members. >> of congress would do, which. >> is come in as citizens, serve a few terms, and then go back. >> to private life. >> and that's what i'm doing. >> but i also. >> feel good. we're going to

hold michigan. clearly, it's a battleground state, but i believe we're going to have a good year next year. it's a midterm. >> we've got the president. >> in the white house. his party normally doesn't do well. and i think when we're seeing the kind of chaos we're seeing right now. >> democrats will. >> do well next year. >> and we. have a very. >> deep bench in michigan. we've got a lot of young, dynamic. >> democratic leaders. >> that can step up. so i'm confident. we'll keep michigan in the blue column. obviously, we always. >> have. >> to work in michigan. nothing can be taken for granted, but this is. >> a good time for. >> me to pass the torch and bring new energy, new. ideas into the nation's capital. >> well, there's certainly more than a few people who want to take your job. senator, i don't have to tell you that. are you endorsing anyone who's running to replace you? is there someone you think has the most certain chance of keeping that seat for the democrats? >> well, we have a lot of people now looking at it. i think you're going to have a lot of folks that will raise their hand. you know, as you. >> know. >> i headed up the democratic. campaign arm for the senate

over. >> the last two. >> cycles, and sometimes. >> we have to go out and recruit candidates. >> we're not going to have to do. >> that in michigan. a lot. >> of people are going to raise their hand and they're all very good. and so i'm very excited about the future. >> a senator, at least for a couple more years, and a diplomat. michigan senator gary peters, thank you for your time, sir. appreciate it. >> great to be. >> with you. >> any minute now, the senate intelligence committee will hold its closed door vote on tulsi gabbard's nomination for director of national intelligence. just this morning, she got a major boost when republican senator todd young, who initially appeared skeptical, said he will support her. i want to bring in nbc's capitol hill correspondent sahil kapur, as well as former congresswoman donna edwards and msnbc political analyst sahil. we've been watching senators go into the closed door hearing. do we have a good idea of gabbard chances, and will we ever know who voted for and who voted against? >> first. >> chris. >> yes, we do. expect the senate intelligence. committee is meeting right around now behind closed. >> doors to. >> vote on the nomination of

tulsi gabbard for dni. we do expect her to be reported out. >> of committee favorably. >> the reason. >> is. >> there are. nine republicans. >> on this committee. >> eight democrats. we don't know if. >> any republican. >> who is voting no on tulsi gabbard. and a few of. >> the republicans that we. >> were watching closely as. >> potential swing votes have. >> officially come out. >> as a yes for her. >> that includes senator. >> susan collins of maine, announced. >> yesterday she's voting yes on tulsi. gabbard just today, senator. >> todd young of indiana. >> another vote we were watching came out for tulsi gabbard. let's show. >> his statement on the screen. he says, quote, i've done what the framers envisioned. >> for senators. >> to. >> do, use the consultative. >> process to seek firm commitments. >> in this. >> case, commitments that will. advance our national security. >> which is my. >> top priority. as a former marine corps. >> intelligence officer. having now secured those commitments, i will support. >> tulsi's nomination. >> and look. >> forward to working with her to. >> protect. >> our national security, unquote. what commitments. >> is. >> he talking about? >> todd young says. >> gabbard promised. >> to hold. accountable employees who make unauthorized. intelligence disclosures. >> and won't advocate. for

protections. unless it's for. >> lawful and legitimate whistleblowers. this is clearly a reference to edward. >> snowden. >> who you know, who tulsi gabbard was asked. about in committee and whose answers were. >> not seen as. >> a shining example of success for a nominee. given that there. >> are concerns. >> on both sides of the aisle. >> there was also. >> questions about fisa section 702, the surveillance power, the warrantless surveillance power of foreign targets that gabbard has previously called for repealing. she now says she supports. she didn't exactly. >> explain her. >> position there. now, chris, to the second part of your question, will we know how they vote? probably yes, because their votes are not secretive and senators can freely say they can freely tell us how they voted. and given how few people are on this committee, given that democrats appear to be pretty resolutely against gabbard, any republican who votes no can probably be flushed out. and that's what this all boils down to, chris. >> we're seeing it. >> across the board with donald trump's nominees. republicans are deeply reluctant to cross him. he has a lot of power with. >> republican primary. >> voters right now. >> and these are the voters who will determine the electoral

futures. >> of these senators. so we do expect at the moment, unless there are any surprises. tulsi gabbard will be reported out of committee and moved to the floor. >> sahil kapoor, thank you for that. okay. congresswoman, you served in the house with tulsi gabbard. but just as i saw her when she was on the campaign trail, i was covering bernie sanders and she endorsed him and went out in front of crowds and stumped for him. she was a democrat. what do you make of the fact that now she has the support of all the republicans? >> well, i mean, she. has transformed. >> herself over this period. >> of years. look. >> i'm not. >> surprised entirely that. >> she's going to. >> be reported. >> favorably out. >> of the committee, but i do think that she still has a big hurdle with. >> a. >> number of republicans, probably five or so. >> who are not in her corner yet. and i think her responses about. edward snowden. >> as well as the fisa. surveillance proposal, a. >> lot of problems for. particularly for, for

republicans. and so. >> she may get out of committee. but she still has a big hurdle to jump over. >> yeah. i wonder how big it is, though. and i say that because, you know, there was a widespread feeling that bobby kennedy's nomination was in jeopardy. and then a number of senators who had initial concerns said well, behind closed doors. he gave me assurances. we're already hearing this in some cases with tulsi gabbard. oh, i've spoken with her and she's answered my questions. well, even though pretty widely it was considered that she had some trouble answering questions during her actual confirmation hearings. so i guess, what is your level of certainty that there will be enough republicans? or do you have any certainty that there will be enough republicans that she does not get confirmed? >> well, let. >> me just say, chris, i'm not highly certain. >> but i. >> do. >> think that there are a group. >> of republicans who still have. >> concerns about her actions regarding. >> syria. >> her alliance. >> with or so-called. alliance

with russia. >> and this question over snowden. >> look. >> i think national. >> security is. >> on a different. >> level than. >> the department. >> of health and human. >> services is troubling. >> as robert kennedy jr's. answers were. >> but and so that. >> i think. >> poses the biggest hurdle. >> is. >> that this is. >> about national security. it's about the director of national intelligence. and that is a different. >> level of concern for a group. >> of republicans. >> so we'll see. >> i just heard tom cotton came out of that room and he says, indeed, the vote has been taken and they have voted to report out tulsi gabbard's nomination to the full senate. how significant do you think the threats of primarying some of these folks who are going to be up for reelection in just two years have been. and how significant might they be when it comes to a full vote? >> well, i think.

>> as we have been able. >> to see. >> that it is. >> playing a the. >> threat of. >> a primary is. playing a. >> tremendous role in having an impact on decision making. that's going on. >> with senators. >> with respect. >> to these nominations. >> but we have a long road. >> ahead of us, and republicans. >> are going to have to. >> make. >> a decision about whether they are just going to roll over and do every. >> single thing that. donald trump wants. >> stop on, on, on top of the constitution. >> and but i think that they do feel. >> the threat of a primary and most importantly, they feel the threat. of the money that would come in a primary, which is different for incumbents to feel that kind. >> of pressure. >> but in this environment. >> with an elon musk. >> and. >> others willing to front load these primaries, i think that threat is real. >> thank you so much, donna. appreciate it. always when you come on the program, i want to

bring in marc polymeropoulos, msnbc national security and intelligence analyst and former cia operations officer and manager who served in the middle east for years. so, you know, we've seen this slow, steady beat of republicans coming out. now for tulsi gabbard. we saw yesterday, collins and lankford. then today we just talked about this todd young, who had had some concerns, saying yes, now we know it's going to go before the full senate. she is one step closer at this very moment to having the top intelligence job in the united states government. i just want to get your reaction to that, mark, as someone who has spent so many years on the inside. >> well, chris, i think we're you know, we're past the point of really discussing whether she has the qualifications or whether she's suitable. i think myself and many others would argue that she does not. but it's pretty clear from the vote today. and i think what we're going to see coming up in the full vote of the senate, she's going to be confirmed. i think the gop senators, especially

those who care about national security, certainly know better. but it doesn't matter, because as you've been discussing now, you know, the threat of getting primaried. the threat of elon musk. the threat of, you know, backlash from from donald trump is just too much. and so, in some ways, chris, i'm moving to the point of what happens when she does get confirmed and she takes the role of dni. and i think she's going to have some work to do to win over a skeptical workforce across the 17 agencies and also skeptical, friendly liaison intelligence services such as the british and the french and the germans and others, because she has a long track record of saying some things that are pretty disturbing for a lot of people. so she's going to have some work to do. >> let me ask you about the internals there in the intel community, because one of the things we're seeing, if we look at another not analogous situation, but in some ways familiar. you have fbi agents who are suing doj right now, and they say they're representing thousands, potentially of others for a couple of reasons. one is they're afraid they're going to lose their jobs because they did

their jobs, which was to prosecute january 6th cases. they're also worried that their private information could be leaked and put themselves and their families in danger. what does it mean, do you think, when you have someone without the kind of experience that many past heads of the intelligence department have had going in under these kinds of situations, what do you see happening internally with the folks who work in intel? >> well, again, i think there's a lot of worry. you know, these what's happening at the fbi, i think a lot of people are anticipating it happens also at cia. and it's a combination of trying to get rid of kind of the junior members of the workforce. you know, there's been notices sent out in which all these agencies, the national security agencies, had to report to the office of management and budget the names of officers under their probationary periods. and there's also the notion of those throughout the federal government who are going to get this kind of fork in the road or have gotten this fork in the

road memo, which is encouraging people to retire or to take an early out. and so, you know, ultimately, this just makes america less safe. these are men and women in the national security profession who put their heads down every day and really work for the safety and security of fellow americans. and let me say one thing about about the fbi and why i think this is so outrageous. there are members who are special agents who worked on what's called the joint terrorism task forces. this is the entities around the country that that look at organizations like isis, al qaeda, hamas and hezbollah. and at some point in their careers, they were put on january 6th cases. the idea that we would eviscerate, that we would fire many of these, these special agents is just going to make america less safe. and don't forget, also, chris, there's a human aspect to this too. these are a lot of these special agents are young. they have mortgages. they will need health care and they're going to be put out in the street. so it's really outrageous. and i hope that this pressure that seems to be building is going to cause the trump administration to rethink this, i really do. i hope that happens. >> just a reminder that the dni

oversees a group of 18 different agencies that are responsible for our national security. i tell me again, who mark kelly. mark kelly just came out of the room democrat and was asked whether all the democrats had voted against tulsi gabbard, and he said, i voted no. i don't think we should take away from that necessarily that someone voted for her, but that he's decided for sure he's just going to say what he did. he voted no. we'll hear more as people exit that room. but mark, you're staying with us. still to come, donald trump and benjamin netanyahu meeting at the white house in little more than an hour. what did the israeli prime minister mean when he said he wants to redraw the middle east? >> here you go. >> is there any way to get a better price on this? >> have you checked single care? whenever my customers ask how to get a better price on their meds, i tell them about single care. it's a free app accepted at pharmacies nationwide. >> before i pick up my prescription, i always. check

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and bellina. >> a little more than an hour from now, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu will meet with president trump at the white house at a moment of extraordinary tension and cautious hope in the middle east. today, hamas announced that talks for the second phase of the gaza ceasefire have begun in doha, and israel says it will send a delegation there later this week. after netanyahu's visit to washington. the conversations between the two leaders could prove pivotal to what happens next in gaza and the middle east, a region that netanyahu now says he wants to redraw with trump's help. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in washington. marc polymeropoulos is still with us. so, gabe, how is the trump administration approaching this visit? >> well. >> hi.

>> there, chris. the trump administration is looking looking at this as a sort of reset in the us-israeli relationship. it believes that that relationship deteriorated significantly during the biden administration. and as president trump so often says, he likes to be seen as israel's best friend, that there is no better friend to israel than the u.s. so the white house says that in its talks with benjamin netanyahu, a key focus will be getting those remaining hostages out. and as you mentioned, discussing phase two of this cease fire agreement. now, a huge question hanging over all of this, chris, of course, is what happens next in gaza? president trump saying previously that it should be cleaned out. critics seized upon those comments. but here's what his national security adviser had to say to that a little earlier today. >> i would. >> push back on the characterization of cleaning out gaza. i think president. >> trump is looking. >> at this from a humanitarian standpoint. >> you have.

>> these people. >> that. >> are sitting with literally. thousands of unexploded. >> ordnance in. >> piles of rubble. you know. >> at some. >> point we. >> have to look realistically. >> how do. >> you rebuild gaza? >> what does that. >> look like? >> what's the timeline? >> of course, a major sticking point, chris, is whether hamas will continue to govern gaza after this is all said and done. the trump administration has repeatedly said that that is something it will not tolerate. but again, benjamin netanyahu here in washington for this crucial meeting later on this afternoon, as well as a bilateral meeting and also a dinner later on tonight. chris. >> thank you so much, gabe. mark, israel's initial goal, we know this was to destroy hamas, but listen to how benjamin netanyahu is describing his goals now. >> the decisions we made in the war have already changed the face of the middle east. our decisions and the courage of our soldiers have redrawn the map. but i believe that working

closely with president trump, we can redraw it even further. and for the better. >> redraw the map even further. what does that mean to you? >> so this is really interesting, chris, because you have one leader in president trump who, you know, sees visions of a of a nobel prize in terms of middle east peace ahead of him and another leader in terms of prime minister netanyahu, who really is only worried about his political survival. and so right now, you have a lot of platitudes. there's going to be a lot of love between the two sides. but there are there is some some space between the two in particular, what to do in terms of phase two, because at the end of phase two, which would call for the release of all hostages, it also means the withdrawal of the idf in a sense, in a sense, at the end of the war and ultimately, what president trump wants is a normalization deal with saudi arabia. but mohammed bin salman is calling for a pathway to a palestinian state. and that's something that prime minister netanyahu is going to have a very hard time to sell to

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it wouldn't be possible for us to create change because we couldn't talk about the nra because it was florida and we couldn't talk. about banning assault weapons because it was too unpopular in florida. but because we did that and we had the audacity to go on the offense instead of just being on the defense constantly, we were. >> able to win back. >> we were able to get republicans on the defense and win. we raised. >> the age. >> to buy a gun to 21in florida, and passed a red flag law that has been used over 19,000 times. >> so let. >> me ask you then, in this case, how you nationalize that. because what i guess, what are you going to say and do that's different than what we've heard from democrats in the past decade, since donald trump came down that escalator. >> you know, i think it's about showing that we're a big tent. it's showing that there are people like myself that obviously are on the more progressive side of things that are doing the work, but also understanding that our party has a diverse array of, you know, perspectives. and i was just, you know, talking to some of our members that ran in, in very, very competitive and deeply red districts and outperformed to simply talk to them about how we can start to win back more rural

america, how we can have more conversations in more competitive districts without compromising our values as democrats. because what i'm really focused on is one we have to be able to win in order to be able to end gun violence. and that is my entire focus here. and with that, i think the biggest thing that we have to do as a party is get off of our soapbox of, you know, how people feel, frankly condescended to and talk down to a lot of the time and actually have conversations with them and understand, like, obviously we're not going to agree on everything, but we have to move forward as a country. and with that, we need to make sure that we're not using that as an opportunity to compromise our values, but sticking to them and boldly advocating for them and understanding that not everybody is going to agree with us. and that's okay. but ultimately, we are here to fight for people, and the reason they're voting for us is not because we're not republicans, but because we're democrats. we deliver and we care. >> you know, donald trump, in spite of all the outreach to young voters, and certainly kamala harris did, that trump still managed to pick up a larger portion of voters under 30 than any republican presidential candidate since

2008. we saw not just movement from young men, but young women, too. obviously, trump spoke to them in some way, although some folks would argue it's less about the message and more about how they feel. i wonder how you reflect on that, because you can have conversations with people. and i talked to a lot of folks who went door to door for the democratic party and couldn't convince people that they should come out or couldn't convince people not to vote for donald trump or to vote for kamala harris. how much about is messaging and how much of it is about how you get people to feel about their lives? >> i think the most important thing that we need to be able to do is connect what we are actually doing with for people, and explain to them what we're doing in the first place. we passed the largest climate spending not just in american history, but in human history. under president biden, we got the first federal gun law passed in 30 years. we got the creation of the office of gun violence prevention that saw a oversaw a double digit reduction in gun

homicides. but unfortunately, if you cannot tell people effectively and communicate effectively what you are doing for them, they're not going to feel it. and i also want to say that during this election, frankly, and i know that there's a lot of people that don't want to hear this, that voters are telling us that two things they were telling us that prices were too high and that joe biden was too old. and our response to them was effectively, no, he's not. and no, they aren't. if you tell voters not to believe their eyes and not to believe their wallets and just try to change the conversation, it doesn't matter how much money you have, it's not going to work because your message isn't right and people don't feel heard, they don't feel respected and they feel looked down upon. and i think that this election, more than anything when it comes to our young people, is not so much a credit to donald trump and any outreach that he did, as much as it is an indictment of our failure as a party to really connect with those young people, to explain what we were doing for them and making them feel at least heard by us. and i think that my election here, along with the election of my good friend, vice chair malcolm kenyatta and artie blanco, is a

signal that our party is listening. but we're not taking that for granted. we have to get to work. i've been on the phone constantly, basically talking to people about how we can get back to winning, talking to members in competitive districts and elsewhere about how we can get back to winning the house come 2026. >> is there one single consensus? because one of the complaints i've heard from democrats, from people within the party, has been too many messages, too many strategies, not enough cohesion. >> look, i think ultimately it's hard to have cohesion, even if you even if you do have cohesion, if people don't feel heard by you, if they don't feel respected by you, they're not going to listen to you. and i experienced this myself when i was in college, and i didn't want to go to college just to be around people who thought like me all the time. that's part of the reason why i joined the shooting club and the conversations that i've had there. what i realized more than anything was a lot of our young people, including younger, conservative people that don't necessarily agree with us. if they answer a poll, it's not because they don't agree with us entirely on our policies. certainly there are some things, as much as it is that they don't

feel respected or listened to by us. our party is increasingly seen as looking down on people, talking down to them and not caring about them. what we need to do is talk about all we need to talk about. obviously stopping the school shooting that could happen tomorrow, but also connect to how we're preventing climate change to prevent the wildfire that might happen years from now, and how that has a tangible impact on people's lives. and also be talking about things like housing rents went up 20 to 30% all over the country this past cycle, and a lot of the time we were not really answering people when they were saying that their biggest cost, their biggest concerns were the cost of living. as a party, we have to get back to building. we're the party of the new deal. we need to make sure that we are getting back to building, whether it's housing or whether it's public transit or other pieces of infrastructure. and luckily, we now have the funding to do that. we just need to make sure the republicans don't take the credit for it. >> dnc vice chair david hogg, thank you so much, david. i'm sure we'll talk soon. >> absolutely. >> and that's going to do it for

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