don't buy it. if you buy it, you're not doing any business with the united states. and hamas was not being funded. hezbollah was not being funded. nobody was being funded. that would never have been. on october 7th, two weeks ago, i once again designated the houthis as a terrorist organization trying to destroy world shipping lanes. and that's not going to happen. and over the weekend, i ordered airstrikes against senior isis leaders hiding in the caves of somalia and took them out. here in america, we've begun the process of deporting foreign terrorists, jihadists and hamas sympathizers from our soil, just as we have people that are extremely evil and we're sending them out of our country. they came from jails, they came from mental institutions and insane asylums, and they were dumped into our country. they're gang members, and we're getting them out at numbers that nobody can actually believe. and every

single country is taking those people back. they said they would never take them back, and they're all taking them back, and they're taking them back very gladly. and i recently signed an executive order combating the vile wave of anti-semitism that we've seen in the aftermath of the october 7th attacks. together, america and israel will renew the optimism that shines so brightly. just four years ago was really a bright, beautiful light. we will restore calm and stability to the region and expand prosperity, opportunity and hope to our nations and for all people, the middle east, including the arab and muslim nations. very important. we want the arab and muslim nations to have peace and have tranquility and have great lives. i'd like to now invite prime minister netanyahu to say a few words, and we'll take some questions afterwards. thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. president.

>> i'm honored that. >> you invited me to be the first foreign. leader to visit the white house in your second term. this is a testament to your friendship and support for the jewish state and the jewish people. i've said this before. i'll say it again. you are the greatest friend israel has ever had in the white house. and that's why the people of israel have such enormous respect for you. in your first term, you recognized jerusalem as israel's capital. you moved the american embassy there. you recognize israel's sovereignty over the golan heights. you withdrew from the disastrous iran nuclear deal. i remember we spoke. about it. you said this is the worst deal i've ever seen. i'm elected. i'm walking out of it. that's exactly what you did. and

i think it it speaks loudly for just. common sense, just looking at things and seeing them as they are. and of course, you. also brokered the groundbreaking abraham accords, in which israel made peace with four arab states. we did this in four months. nothing happened for a quarter of a century, but in four months we were able working together under your leadership to have four historic peace accords. and now, now, in the first days of your second term, you picked up right where you left off. your leadership helped bring our hostages home, among them american citizens. you freed up munitions that have been ■withheld from israel. they had been withheld from israel in the midst of a seven front war for our existence. and you just freed it. you ended unjust sanctions against law abiding israeli citizens. you boldly

confronted the scourge of anti-semitism. you stopped funding, as you just said, international organizations like unwra that support and fund terrorists. and today, you renewed the maximum pressure campaign against iran. ladies and gentlemen, all this in just two weeks. can we imagine where we'll be in four years? i can, i know you can, mr. president. for our part, we in israel have been pretty busy too, since the horrendous october 7th attack. we've been fighting our common enemies and changing the face of the middle east on that infamous day. hamas monsters savagely, savagely murdered 1200 innocent people, including more than 40 americans. they beheaded men,

they raped women, they burnt babies alive, and they took 251 people hostage to the dungeons of gaza. and after this worst attack on jews since the holocaust, iran and its henchmen in the middle east were absolutely ecstatic. haniyeh praised the massacre. sinwar said that israel was finished. nasrallah boasted that israel was. here's what he said. his feeble as a spider's web. well, mr. president, haniyeh is gone. sinwar is gone. nasrallah is gone. we've devastated hamas. we decimated hezbollah. we destroyed assad's remaining armaments, and we crippled iran's air defenses. and in doing this, we've defeated some of america's worst enemies. we

took out terrorists who were wanted for decades for shedding rivers of american blood, including the blood of 241 marines murdered in beirut. we accomplished all this with the indomitable spirit of our people and the boundless courage of our soldiers. the bible says that the people of israel shall rise like lions, and boy, did we rise today the roar of the lion of judah is heard loudly throughout the middle east. israel has never been stronger, and the iran terror axis has never been weaker. but as we discussed, mr. president, to secure our future and bring peace to our region, we have to finish the job in gaza. israel has three goals. destroy hamas's military and governing capabilities. secure

the release of all of our hostages, and ensure that gaza never again poses a threat to israel. i believe, mr. president, that your willingness to puncture conventional thinking, thinking that has failed time and time and time again, your willingness to think outside the box with fresh ideas will help us achieve all these goals. and i've seen you do this many times. you cut to the chase, you see things others refuse to see. you say things others refuse to say, you know. and after the jaws drop, people scratch their heads and they say, you know, he's right. and this is the kind of thinking that enabled us to bring the abraham accords. this is the kind of thinking that will reshape the middle east and bring peace. we also we also see

eye to eye on iran. that's the same iran. they tried to kill us both. they tried to kill you, mr. president. they tried to their proxies to kill me. we're both committed to rolling back iran's aggression in the region and ensuring that iran never develops a nuclear weapon. mr. president, ladies and gentlemen, israel will end the war by winning the war. israel's victory will be america's victory. we will not only win the war working together, we will win the peace with your leadership, mr. president, and our partnership, i believe that we will forge a brilliant future for our region and bring our great alliance to even greater heights. thank you. >> thank you very much, peter. very nice. >> thank you. >> jd vance. everybody. jd,

please. vice president, stand up. he's been doing a good job. he's been working very hard on all things. but this in particular. we'll take some questions, please. yes, ma'am. go ahead. please go ahead. yeah. go ahead. >> president. can a normalization. >> deal with saudi arabia be achieved without the acknowledgment of a palestinian state? >> that question. >> for you to. >> mr. prime minister and mr. president. >> given what you've said about gaza, should the us send troops to help secure the security vacuum. >> so saudi arabia is going to be very helpful. and they have been very helpful. they want peace in the middle east. it's very simple. we know their leader and their leaders very well. they're wonderful people and they want peace in the middle east. as far as gaza is concerned. we'll do what is necessary. if it's necessary, we'll do that. we're going to take over that piece and we're going to develop it, create thousands and thousands of jobs.

and it'll be something that the entire middle east can be very proud of. but everybody feels that continuing the same process that's gone on forever over and over again. and then it starts, and then the killing starts and all of the other problems start, and you end up in the same place, and we don't want to see that happen. so by the united states, with its stability and strength, owning it, especially the strength that we're developing and developed over the last fairly short period of time, i would say really since the election, i think we'll be a great keeper of something that is very, very strong, very powerful and very, very good for the area, not just for israel, for the entire middle east. it's very important. and we'll again have thousands of jobs and there'll be jobs for everyone, not for a specific group of people, but for everybody. okay. please. >> i think peace between israel and saudi arabia is not only

feasible, i think it's going to happen. i think if we had another half a year in your first term, it would have already happened. >> many, many more. i agree, many more nations. >> i think you can't prejudge and pre guess how we'll achieve it. but i'm committed to achieving it and i know the president is committed to achieving it. and i think the saudi leadership is interested to achieve it. so we'll give it a good shot and i think we'll succeed. >> yeah. please go ahead. >> did you hear. >> from prime. >> minister in. >> our meeting? guarantees that ceasefire will go. >> to the. foundation and prime minister. >> why are you. refusing to set. >> up a. >> national. commission to investigate. >> the. >> status. >> of the person? >> well, i can't tell you whether or not the ceasefire will hold. we've done, i think, a very masterful job. we weren't helped very much by the biden

administration, i can tell you that. but we've gotten quite a few hostages out. we're going to get more out. but we're dealing with very complex people, and we are going to see whether or not it holds. we certainly want to have more come out. they've come out damaged in many ways, damaged, very damaged people, but they're going to get better and they're going to be strong and they're going to have a good life. and we hope to get as many as possible out whether or not it holds, i don't know. we hope it holds. we hope it holds. >> i think that that the appropriate time, which i think will enable us to really investigate what happened, what were the causes of the failures by an independent commission that will be accepted by the majority of the people? we don't want it accepted by one half of the people and not the other. i think we should have it, and we should find out exactly what happened. i'm insisting on it

and believe me, it will surprise a lot of people when it happens. the president. >> kelly. kelly. >> i have this. >> you are. >> outlining something that is really quite striking tonight. you are talking about. thank you. >> mr. president. >> mr. prime. >> minister, you are talking tonight about the united states taking over a sovereign territory. what authority would. allow you to do that? are you talking about a permanent occupation there? redevelopment? and mr. prime minister, do you see this idea as a way to expand the boundaries of israel. >> and to. >> have a longer. >> peace, even. >> though the. >> israeli people know how important that land is to you and. your citizens, just as the space is. inherited by the palestinians as well? >> i do see a long term ownership position, and i see it bringing great stability to that part of the middle east and maybe the entire middle east.

and everybody i've spoken to. this was not a decision made lightly. everybody i've spoken to loves the idea of the united states owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in a really magnificent area that nobody would know. nobody could look because all they see is death and destruction and rubble and demolished buildings falling all over. it's just a terrible, terrible sight. i've studied it. i've studied this very closely over a lot of months, and i've seen it from every different angle. and it's a very, very dangerous place to be. and it's only going to get worse. and i think this is an idea that's gotten tremendous. and i'm talking about from the highest level of leadership, gotten tremendous praise. and if the united states can help to bring stability and peace in the middle east, we'll do that. bibi. >> i mentioned again tonight our

three goals. and the third goal is to make sure that gaza never poses a threat to israel again. president trump is taking it to a much higher level. he sees a different. he sees a different future for that piece of land that has been the focus of so much terrorism, so much, so many attacks against us, so many, so many trials and so many tribulations. he has a different idea, and i think it's worth paying attention to this. we're talking about it. he's exploring it with his people, with his staff. i think it's something that could change history and it's worthwhile really pursuing this avenue. >> yeah. please go ahead. go ahead. >> question for you. can you hear me? >> yeah. >> so on rebuilding gaza again, obviously all the hostages and one of them is an american

soldier who is alive. how will you and be assured that you will take out all the hostages. and then. >> we will. >> we're working very hard to get all the hostages. the word is all. and we are working very hard. so far it's been moving along fairly rapidly, pretty much on schedule. it's. i'd love to have them all out at one time, but we're taking them out and tomorrow more are being released and over the days more. and then we'll go into a phase two. but we'd like to get all of the hostages, and if we don't, it will just make us somewhat more violent. i will tell you that because they would have broken their word, mr. witkoff and his entire group have been working 24 hours around the clock, and they want them out, and promises have been made to them. and we'll see whether or not those promises will be kept. but we want all the hostages. that's right. >> how much time do you think.

>> it. >> will take? >> a month. >> do you. >> support. >> mr. president? >> do you. support israeli sovereignty. >> in judea. >> and. >> samaria. >> areas which. many believe. >> is the biblical homeland of the jewish people? >> well, we're discussing that with many of your representatives. your represented very well. and people do like the idea, but we haven't taken a position on it yet. but we will be we'll be making an announcement probably on that very specific topic over the next four weeks. go ahead. please, please. >> thank you so much, mr. president. you just said that you. >> think all all the palestinians should be relocated to other countries. does that mean that you do not support the two state solution? >> it doesn't mean anything about a two state or a one state or any other state. it means that we want to have we want to give people a chance at life. they have never had a chance at life, because the gaza strip has

been a hellhole for people living there. it's been horrible. now hamas has made it so bad, so bad, so dangerous, so unfair to people. and by doing what i'm recommending that we do, it's a very strong recommendation, but it is a strong recommendation. by doing that, we think we're going to bring perhaps great peace to long beyond this area. and i have to stress, this is not for israel. this is for everybody in the middle east, arabs, muslims, this is for everybody. this would be where they can partake in terms of jobs and living and all of the other benefits. and i think it's very important. it just doesn't work the other way. you know, you can't keep trying. they just has been going along for so many decades. you can't even count. you just can't keep doing. you have to learn from history. you can't keep doing the same mistake over and over again. gaza is a hellhole right now. it was before the bombing started, frankly, and we're

going to give people a chance to live in a beautiful community that's safe and secure. and i think you're going to see tremendous, tremendous outflowing of support. i can tell you, i spoke to other leaders of countries in the middle east, and they love the idea. they say it would really bring stability. and what we need is stability. yes, sir. please go ahead. >> thank you. are you still committed. >> to. >> imposing sanctions on the icc, despite the. >> move. >> being stalled in the senate? and please, a question for the prime minister as well. the president has. >> been very clear. >> about his. >> desire to achieve a. >> deal. >> with saudi arabia. >> how do you. >> settle this? >> if israel is required. >> to renew. >> the war against. >> hamas in the future? >> go ahead bibi. >> i think everybody understands that just as the president fought and defeated al qaeda and isis, that we can't leave hamas there because hamas will

continue the battle to destroy israel. they'll do, you know, when this temporary cease fire, one of their leaders comes out. you know what he says we're going to do october 7th again, except we'll do it bigger. so obviously you can't talk about peace, neither with hamas or in the middle east. if this, you know, toxic, murderous organization is left standing any more than you could make peace in europe after world war two, if the nazi regime was left standing and the nazi army was left standing. you want a different future. you got to knock out the people who want to destroy you and destroy peace. that's what we're going to do. i think that will also bring usher in, actually the peace with saudi arabia and with others. and i think there will be others, too. >> yes, ma'am. go ahead. >> my name is, as you guys have done, as our. >> expectation from you. do you have any plan to change

afghanistan's situation? are you able to recognize taliban? >> because i'm. >> an afghan journalist, afghan woman. any comment about afghanistan? what's your future. >> plan. for the afghan people. >> especially afghans? i have a little hard time understanding you. where are you from? oh, actually, it's a beautiful voice and a beautiful accent. the only. the only problem is i can't understand a word you're saying, but. but i just say this. good luck. live in peace. go ahead. please. that's okay. yeah. please. >> prime minister, you said earlier today that it was tough for you to implement these sanctions on. >> iran. >> but you did indicate that you were willing. to negotiate with them. what would that look like? and are you in conversations with them? and the same for. >> the prime minister. >> i hated doing it. i want iran to be peaceful and successful. i hated doing it. i did it once

before, and we brought them down to a level where they were unable to give any money. they had to survive themselves and they had no money. they were essentially broke and they had no money for, as i said, hezbollah, they had no money for hamas. they had no money for any form of terror. the 28, if you call it the 28 sites of terror, they had no money for any of it. they had to do their own and focus on their own well-being. and i hated to do it then. and i hate it. i hate to do it just as much now. and i say this and i say this to iran, who is listening very intently. i would love to be able to make a great deal, a deal where you can get on with your lives and you'll do wonderfully. you'll do wonderfully incredible people, industrious, beautiful. just an unbelievable group of people in iran, and i know them well. i have many friends from iran and many friends that are americans

from iran, and they're very proud of iran. but i hated to do it. just so you understand, and i hope we're going to be able to do something so that it doesn't end up in a very catastrophic situation. i don't want to see that happen. i want to see i really want to see peace. and i hope that we're able to do that. they cannot have a nuclear weapon. it's very simple. i'm not putting restrictions. i'm not they can not have one thing. they cannot have a nuclear weapon. and if i think that they will have a nuclear weapon, despite what i just said, that i think that's going to be very unfortunate for them. if, on the other hand, they can convince us that they won't, and i hope they can, it's very easy to do. it's actually very easy to do. i think they're going to have an unbelievable future. yeah. please, sir. go ahead. thank you. >> you just laid. >> out your plan for gaza. >> yes. can you lirr for. >> ukraine and. >> also for ukraine? >> for ukraine?

>> yes. you consider yourself a. strong leader. you blamed your predecessor for. >> letting russia to take over ukraine. will you. >> demand from putin. >> to get. out of ukraine from sovereign territory of ukraine? >> so we're dealing right now in the subject. i don't want to spend a lot of time because we're here for another reason, but we are having very good talks, very constructive talks on ukraine, and we are talking to the russians, we're talking to the ukrainian leadership. it would have never happened. that would have never happened. it should have never happened. i get reports every week. the number of soldiers, mostly soldiers. now the cities have been largely demolished. you talk about a very sad sight to see. we took gaza. well, many of these cities look as bad as gaza. and worse. what's happened to them? and i want to see that end, and i want to see it end for one simple reason the life of young people being absolutely obliterated on both sides. you

probably have 700,000 ukrainian soldiers dead, 800,000, maybe more russian soldiers dead. it's very flat land. and the only thing that's going to stop a bullet is a human body. in this case, usually soldiers. and the numbers are staggering. when you hear the real numbers in ukraine, what what the numbers are. and this doesn't include the cities that have been demolished and all of the people that were killed. so i want to see it stopped. we're having very good talks and i think we're going to get it. i think something will be hopefully dramatically it will it will rise above everything you have to. you can't let this continue. you can't. this is an absolute slaughter that's taking place on the beautiful farmlands of ukraine. and we have to stop it. we can't let this continue. it's a human. it's a human. it is. it is a human tragedy. and we're going to try very hard to stop it. yeah. please go ahead, sir.

go ahead. >> thank you very much, mr. president. what's your view about. >> political leader abbas role in all. >> the regional changes you. >> want to do? >> and the question for the prime minister. >> what's your. >> view on. >> president trump. >> wanting to reach a deal with iran and often much more active military stance toward. >> go ahead, baby, go ahead. >> i think the president just said something that i think is the pivot of everything that we're talking about, he said. iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, and we fully agree with that. if this goal can be achieved by a maximum pressure campaign, so be it. but i think the most important thing is to focus on the goal, which the president just did. and i fully agree with him. >> well, i said it and he said it very well. it's, it's a it's a campaign of pressure to see if we can get something done. he

doesn't want to do what some people think will automatically happen because they're very difficult people to deal with, as you know. but if we could solve this problem without warfare, without all of the things that you've been witnessing over the last number of years, it would be i think it would be a tremendous thing. go ahead please. sir. >> do you have any. >> plans to visit. >> israel soon. to visit where? israel. oh, well, i love, i love israel, i will visit there and i'll visit gaza and i'll visit saudi arabia, and i'll visit other places all over the middle east. middle east is an incredible place, so vibrant, so it's just one of the really beautiful places and with great people. and i think a lot of bad leadership has taken place in the middle east that's allowed this to happen. it's just terrible. and that includes in the american side, by the way, we should have never gone in

there a long time ago, spent trillions of dollars and created so much death. so it includes americans. but yeah, i'll be visiting a lot of different places in the middle east. i've been invited everywhere, but i will be visiting some. yeah, okay. let's go. caitlyn go ahead. okay. >> thank you so much, president trump. >> caitlyn go ahead. >> on what. >> you were saying there. >> sam. go ahead please. >> just to follow up on what you were saying about the gazans leaving gaza, going to other countries, going where exactly are you. >> suggesting that they. >> should go? >> and two, are you saying they should return after it's rebuilt? >> and if. >> not, who do you. >> envision living there? >> i envision a world, people living there, the world's people. i think you'll make that into an international, unbelievable place. i think the potential in the gaza strip is unbelievable, and i think the entire world, representatives from all over the world will be there and they'll and they'll live there. palestinians also

palestinians will live there. many people will live there. but they've tried the other and they've tried it for decades and decades and decades. it's not going to work. it didn't work. it will never work. and you have to learn from history. history has, you know, you just can't let it keep repeating itself. we have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal. and i don't want to be cute. i don't want to be a wise guy. but the riviera of the middle east, this could be something that could be so bad, this could be so magnificent. but more importantly than that is the people that have been absolutely destroyed that live there now can live in peace in a much better situation because they're living in hell. and those people will now be able to live in peace. we'll make sure that it's done world class. it will be wonderful for the people, palestinians, palestinians mostly we're talking about. and i have a feeling that despite them saying no, i have a feeling that the

king in jordan and that the general president, but that the general in egypt will open their hearts and will give us the kind of land that we need to get this done. and people can live in harmony and in peace. thank you all very much. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. >> there are. days and nights in. >> this. >> business when you have to leave open the possibility that you can still be surprised. i might even say stunned. i think this is one of those days. donald trump making news in the biggest possible way. i'm going to read you the quotes that i think are stunning to just about everyone who heard them today. after a day of calling for the people of gaza, who he numbered at 1.8 million to be relocated

out of the gaza strip. today, donald trump said the following about the palestinian people. they can instead occupy all of a beautiful area with homes and safety, and they can live out their lives in peace and harmony instead of having to go back and do it again. the us the us will take over the gaza strip, and we will do it, and we will do a job with it too. we will own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site. >> level the. >> site and get rid of the destroyed buildings. when he was pressed on whether or not he would be willing to use the military to accomplish the us takeover of the gaza strip, he doubled down on that and said, we will do what's necessary. we'll do what's necessary. if it's necessary, we'll do that. we're going to take over the piece and we're going to develop it. he referred to the gaza strip as the riviera of the middle east. he said that world people, world people will live

in gaza, including palestinians and anyone else, i suppose, that wants to live in this new real estate development he proposed today. this was stunning. and this came in a press conference with prime minister benjamin netanyahu, his first trip to the united states since he was labeled a war criminal by the international criminal court, with arrest warrants issued. this is one of the few countries where prime minister netanyahu can travel, because the united states does not recognize the authority of the international criminal court, which rendered a judgment that genocide and apartheid had taken place inside of israel. this regarding the war in gaza. so this was their joint press conference following a bilateral meeting. a stunner, a stunner by any by any definition of the word. i'm joined now by vaughn hillyard, white house correspondent for nbc news, and alex wagner, host of alex wagner tonight. and also trump world. with trump trump

land. >> i mean trump land. >> it's. >> i mean it's. >> it's a world. >> yeah, yeah. >> vaughn i do want to go to you first because this is a stunner. i'm just assuming that there is a lot of reaction right now to what we just heard. official reaction. >> please share. i mean, actually, i think a few people. and there's just silence. i mean, let's be very clear outside of jared kushner making a passing remark, a seemingly passing remark back in march of gaza having beautiful waterfront property, we have not heard the words of candidate donald trump or president trump suggest the takeover of a land where millions of people call home, the moving them out and the taking over and the ownership of the united states. and i think that what this represents, i think, cannot be overstated here. back in the first trump administration, there was some semblance of a, of a of a governing structure in the trump administration in 2020 with the help of jared kushner. they did put forward what they call the two state solution proposal, right. there was going to be a two states, and yet there was going to have to have a have

israeli security forces overseeing the palestinian state. palestinian president abbas completely rejected it. okay. but at least it was some sort of a plan or something that was put forward. this is not anything of a plan. this is a complete american imperialism at its roots, at its core. donald trump suggesting that this land in the middle east would be better occupied and overseen by america. i just don't think we can really begin to even comprehend what we're hearing two weeks in from this administration in terms of in terms of the role that the united states is supposed to play. and even maybe netanyahu stood next to him and said, i think that the american president sees maybe a different plan than what i do, but this is it's just remarkable. and i don't think this silence. >> he seemed stunned as well. i will say that bibi netanyahu, prime minister netanyahu definitely also seemed a bit stunned and taken aback and attempted to respond to it. donald trump also said that he has taken no position on israeli

sovereignty in the west bank. that is also a dramatic change in position from the united states position. he also acknowledged that gaza has been crushed. he said it's been leveled. he's been it's destroyed. it's a demolition site. the sort of stiffness of bibi netanyahu as he was describing the destruction of gaza, that bibi netanyahu's president, prime minister netanyahu's own military cause. he seemed to acknowledge that complete destruction. but his answer all day today has been permanent displacement, or at least temporary, until they're allowed to move back with the world people of the palestinian people in gaza. this is actually stunning. >> and to what extent is the u.s. military involved? i think he said this was a man that ran for president of united states back in january. he said the u.s. shouldn't be involved in the middle east. >> correct. alex, let me bring you in here because we know that the trauma induced by the iraq war and the u.s. presence in the middle east on top of 20 years in afghanistan has been significant. and it was also a

significant reason that barack obama was a popular politician who could be president. and it also has been a big selling point for donald trump, who denied he supported the iraq war. what he's now proposing. and i think a lot of people thought of donald trump as an isolationist and wanting to make the us presence in the world smaller. we're now talking about potential occupation of the gaza strip, which has caused israel to be at war in gaza even before october 7th of the october 7th attacks. we're talking about the united states taking that position of occupation. >> with seemingly no consultation. >> with regional partners. >> right. >> the suggestion. >> that the. >> egyptians and the jordanians. >> should take. >> the palestinians. right, that i can almost. guarantee you, given. >> bibi netanyahu's expression at. >> this presser today, that that. >> possibility hasn't been discussed. >> with those neighboring countries. iran is looking. >> at. >> this, and. >> i don't i cannot. imagine what the reaction. >> in the. >> arab. >> world is, right? >> the control of the gaza strip

is the. >> flashpoint for the region. >> donald trump is off. >> roading here. >> and he has no idea which direction. >> is north. it is a i mean. >> and then there's the practical reality. >> and i. >> hesitate to even venture. >> there because. >> this whole thing seems. >> so, in. >> the words. >> of our friend rachel maddow, shambolic. >> and insane. >> but pete. >> hegseth is. >> the defense secretary. >> and he's going to lead. >> the. >> occupation of. american troops in the in. >> the region. and marco rubio. >> who's now. >> also, by the way, taking over usaid. is going to manage. >> the diplomacy here. >> i mean. >> this. >> is when. >> when one. >> thought of the. >> sort of catastrophic iterations of trump. >> 2.0. >> this is the. >> kind of stuff that people imagined. >> it is. >> it is so stunning that it's kind of hard to react to it. i mean, the idea that the people who live in gaza, for the most part, came from the west bank, and they are not there willingly. they were there in what in the region is called the nakba. they were pushed out of where they lived in what is now israel and including in the west bank. and they were pushed into gaza. and so they've already

there's a there's a deep trauma that comes from that displacement. and so what donald trump has proposed is to add to that. >> yes. >> remove them to we don't know where we already know. a lot of palestinians already live in jordan. the queen of jordan, her majesty, is palestinian. there's already been displacement. he's saying further displacement, but also an american, i guess permanent occupation and development. >> and this. >> is the thing in. >> von, you know this. >> well in the in the world of diplomacy. >> language matters. >> it does. right. the phrases you use in a. press release, in a joint press. >> conference, over. >> the. >> phone with a world leader. those are very parsed. they're measured words. they're vetted. >> this is the. >> inverse of that right there. it's again. it is. >> hard to imagine that. >> this was something that. >> was discussed with. >> great detail. >> and with. >> great consideration. within the white. >> house. >> and the implications of it are broad, vast way, way beyond. >> the. >> shores of america. >> we also know that from a national security. i would love to know if you have been texting with and we've all been on our phones texting with everyone

that we could get to respond. i'm from a national security perspective because we know that over the decades, the palestinian cause and the displacement of the palestinian people has caused uprisings and caused violence against the united states terrorism. there's a broad, you know, rage throughout the muslim, the muslim and arab world about this. the houthi blockade in yemen is about this. it's about the palestinian people. right. a lot of the hezbollah activity is about an anger and a rage about the palestinian people and their plight. what donald trump has said is that he wants to inject the united states in and superimpose us over something that israel has not been able to contain. >> right. we have been, and i think it's important to note, we have men and women in real time that are in military bases, military installations. we have men and women that are in embassies in real time that are undoubtedly watching this play out. and this of course, this changes the conversations that are taking place in real time, not to mention the direct threats that undoubtedly they

face on a day out and daily basis here. i think that the number of questions, knowing that vice president vance was sitting there, i believe pete hegseth was there as well here. i just think that this is a moment in time where republicans on capitol hill, right, we have seen over the last two weeks have and by and large, said the president, united states, you know, americans gave him a mandate. this is what they voted for. let the executive branch do its thing. donald trump is articulating america's foreign policy here in real time, in ways that i don't know to what extent can they be checked? because during his confirmation proceedings, pete hegseth was asked directly, would you would you go through with illegal orders? yeah. and he squirmed his way around that. and he was confirmed by the senate. >> the new york times, i think, aptly, peter baker, characterizing. >> the president's. >> comments today. >> is him thinking. >> not as a president but as a real estate developer. >> because the thing he did mention. >> the only. >> thing where you thought, you know, if. >> you're asking. >> yourself, what's. >> the play here? what is he

trying to get out of this? we were talking about this before the press. >> conference ended. >> there is a weird obsession in trump world with development and real estate development and the gaza strip. and he did mention several times, you know, we're going to develop it and. >> add thousands of. >> jobs. >> unlimited jobs. >> and housing. >> and i'm not saying that there's necessarily going to be trump hotel gaza, but. >> you can see that. >> that is part, at. least in the, you know, expression of donald trump's id that comes out in these lexicon. >> that he uses is it's a demolition site. that's a real estate development term. it's a it's the riviera of the middle east, that world people will live there. it's going to create thousands of jobs. you're right. he's speaking about it as a real estate developer. stunning. alex and vaughn, please stay with me. i want to i want to bring in rula jebreal, journalist and palestinian policy expert. we are stunned on this side of the camera. rula, i can only imagine that your reaction, what your reaction might be and also the people that you're speaking with in the region, please share that. >> look, i've been talking actually, while we're speaking

with people from jordan, from egypt, but also palestinians and, and clearly america is now, you know, expressing clearly that they want to occupy permanently, probably gaza. they want the ethnic cleansing of palestinians. both counts are internationally recognized crimes against humanity, war crimes. >> america is. >> operating via. the president of the united states as a rogue state. at this point, i just want to remind everybody the region rejected that proposition. >> they rejected. >> unanimously. egypt and jordan remember. very well that even the hint of that led to the killing of leaders in the region, king abdullah of jordan, his grandfather, was killed because he was deemed as complicit in the ethnic cleansing of palestinians. in 1948, another egyptian president, you know, was killed because he was deemed complicit with israel. these leaders remember very well those

killings. and also remember that in the case of jordan, 60% of jordanians are actually palestinians. they have millions of palestinians. the country will be totally overrun, destabilized, and they are looking at president trump, and they're looking at these statements. and they are not only shocked, they are horrified because they understand that as if tonight there's a target on the united states back. this reminds the region of when bush declared war in 2003, the iraq war. that invasion led to mass radicalization, led to the arrival of isis, of al qaeda. it's stunning that donald trump was actually talking about that intervention, saying, yeah, it was very bad. we should never have done it. and then he's saying, well, we will do this, and he's talking about it as building resorts or whatever. riviera. he's thinking that riviera will be built on mass graves of children. so i don't know if he's not thinking clearly, but what worries me also, joy that you have a defense minister that actually

chanted in a bar while drunk kill all muslims. you know, the muslim world is a billion and a half people. you're actually telling them with words and deeds that they're going to implement an imperialistic colonial policy and kick out millions of palestinians. in what world? this will not have a backlash, immediate backlash. >> let me ask you this. donald trump claimed. president trump claimed that he has talked to leaders in the region and they love the idea. who could he possibly have been talking to? i can't imagine who those leaders might be. can you? >> yes, i can imagine one leader. he might he might have suggested the idea to. it's the emiratis. hamad bin zayed, the leader of the. but i wonder if the emiratis themselves then normalize their relationship with israel. probably would have advised him not to occupy or use the language of an occupier. one

of the reasons why we have gaza in the first place. the overwhelming majority were displaced and were basically ethnically cleansed from israel, from the land that israel basically took, conquered in 1948. all these villages, hundreds of villages, were wiped out. the overwhelming majority of the citizens of gaza are descendants of those people who were ethnically cleansed. they have that memory. and that's why you see, you know, 500,000 gazans leave the south march to the north where there's mass destruction. that's their country, that's their land. they don't want to leave. they want to die on their land. and for donald trump to treat them as if they're pawns, as if they're plants, as if they're rocks. it reminds me, actually, of something that, you know, hayim weissman said in 1948. he said that palestinians are the rocks that need to be basically cleared from the land. if donald trump has this idea, he's not

only alienating palestinians, he's alienating hundreds of thousands, billions of people in the muslim world. he has no clue what he has unleashed. and i think it's clear now we can say it clearly. america has, you know, is living in an era where there is no international law. international law is dead, and it's acting as a rogue state. and he is the first president, you know, convicted criminal to actually welcome a wanted, an international fugitive. it is a stunning day for america and for the world. >> it is stunning is, you know, i think almost an understatement at this point. i cannot stress to you how absolutely shocking i think this has been. i thank you, vaughn hillyard, rula jebreal, alex wagner is going to stick with us. thank you both. thank you all for helping us to digest that. okay. well, coming up, believe it or not. besides that, there's a lot of other news today in washington, and that news involves elon musk. that news involves elon musk. that's type 2 diabetes?

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>> going to hold the line. >> don't miss the weekends, saturday, and sunday. >> mornings at. >> 8:00 on msnbc. >> well, america is in a full blown constitutional crisis, with donald trump handing the reins of the u.s. government over to billionaire elon musk. to date, they plan to wind down usaid, the department of education, and the consumer financial protection board. well, how is he doing this? trump has designated musk a special government employee, and as such, he should adhere to the

same standards that apply to federal employees. according to the new york times, musk is widely seen as operating with a level of autonomy that almost no one can control. musk has burrowed deep into federal agencies that are pivotal to running the federal government. according to wired magazine, musk has deployed a gaggle of teens and barely adult men who have taken control of the office of personnel management and general services administration and have gained access to the treasury department's payment system, potentially allowing him and them access to a vast range of sensitive information about tens of millions of citizens, businesses and more. they identified six young men, all apparently between the ages of 19 and 24, according to public databases. their online presences and other records, and found that they have little to no government experience and are now playing critical roles. that leads me to the elephant in the room. how is any of this legal? alex wagner is back with me, and joining me now is congresswoman

jasmine crockett, who just came back from the treasury department where she and other democrats protested what they said was the illegal takeover of treasury payments by musk and his associates. congresswoman, i will just ask you that question. how is any of this legal? >> well. >> first of. >> all, it's good to be with you all under terrible circumstances. i'd say that it's not legal. and we know that the legal challenges are already starting to work their way through court. so big shout out to those federal government employees that are standing up for themselves and not just going quietly into the night, but instead those unions that have decided that they are going to push back and fight back and fight for the american people. what is frustrating to me, though, is that we do have a segment of this country that is like, oh, this is great. i think that's my biggest issue because i don't think that this should be about partizanship yet. for whatever reason, it seems like only the democrats care, and only democrats care about getting on top of other democrats. instead of calling

out republicans and saying this is a matter of right versus wrong. this is a matter of a democratic republic. instead, they're just like, well, what are the democrats doing? well, we thought like we could on november 5th. and unfortunately, he controls every lever of government. and along with controlling every lever, he obviously has a good hold on their spines as well, because i've yet to see a republican spine stand up. >> perhaps people may not understand that when you say i'm, you know, they're going to zero out foreign aid people go good. you know, they don't know what that is and how much it is. but the law, there's a law that says that federal agencies cannot disclose an individual's private information from a set of government records without the written consent of the person. i wonder if people care about this. do staffers have gained access, despite that law, to federal student loan data, which includes personal information for millions of borrowers, they might have access to the payment system for social security, medicare. they may not care if, quote unquote, doge slashes government, but they may care if they can turn

off their payments. >> yeah. i mean, that's a that's a part of government, right? i mean, this is the reality. i think people don't understand how large of a role government plays in general in your everyday lives. but what is most concerning is that people don't understand that the power of the purse lies with congress, and that is for a reason, so that we can't have one person having so much control that they can just say, what's going to happen with all your tax dollars. instead, it has to go through 435 people in the house, 100 people in the senate, and then make it to the president's desk. and what we have is someone who it's not even donald trump who's trying to do it. he's got elon musk over here trying to do it. and honestly, the role of the treasury is just to follow the law. they are not there to be discretionary about what it is that they're doing. if we say this is how much somebody is supposed to get for their social security, then they are just supposed to make sure that they effectuate that payment. but right now, when they're saying, oh, we're finding all this

waste, we're going to cut it out. listen, you need to come holler at us in congress then, because if we end up passing it through appropriations, which there is a question about whether or not we will get there, as we know that our next deadline is approaching on march 14th, and i fully anticipate that the government is going to shut down, because that is what donald trump likes to do. the last time we had a government shutdown, it was under donald trump. the only time that we've or the longest shutdown we ever had was under donald trump. so you can't just go in and say, well, i don't want to pay this bill, so i'm gonna just cut it off. i know that that's how he operates. i know that's why he ended up filing bankruptcy at least six times. i get that he doesn't pay his bills, but that is no way to run the united states of america. >> alex, you've been talking with employees that are facing this right now. what are you hearing? and you were you were at treasury or in usaid? >> i was both. >> you were in both. >> i'm everywhere. >> all at once. >> so the. >> first of all, i should just say, you know, outside of that treasury department this afternoon. >> this evening. >> it was a crowd of i would i'm

not an expert, but i. it felt like almost a thousand people. >> and there's. >> been a lot of question about what the resistance might look like in trump 2.0. and this. >> felt like maybe. >> the beginning of that. >> there is. >> a. >> real miscalculation, i think. >> trump has done. >> by having elon musk as. >> his co-president. >> the narrative. >> is quite clear. >> an ultra an ultra wealthy. >> billionaire and his 19. >> year old lackeys. >> are in there. >> gutting the federal government and. >> and at. >> at the. >> expense of. >> every, every. day working class americans who have no idea what. >> will become of basic things. >> like social security, medicare. >> medicaid. >> the federal bureaucracy touches a lot of people in this country, and just gutting it without any plan for day two. you know, people may not be alarmed by this in the immediate, but i hesitate to think that this does not have repercussions that are vast for the. american electorate. >> if you think about things like food stamps and, and, you know, and those kind of anti-poverty programs, they actually are used more in red states and blue states. and by these republican run states. you talk to a lot of trump voters

during the campaign. do you think that this is what they were voting for? >> do i think they. >> wanted american. >> occupation of gaza, the. >> gutting of the federal government with absolutely. >> no plan on how it was going to. >> run in greenland and a war in. canada and canada and mexico? >> no. >> i mean, i think this is someone who feels like he can operate without consequences. the reality is. you know, whatever the blowback is for him politically, he's a lame duck president. and america, america continues onwards. right? the project continues. and when you gut the very machinery that helps run this country, things happen. you know, i mean, the idea that all. >> of this can happen. without consequences and it's just. >> a woke leftist mob. people understand when things are broken down. >> and don't work. >> and i think that that is i mean, and i will also say the terror that he is inflicting on hundreds of thousands, if not millions of federal workers, that emotional. terror is resonant. with normal, everyday americans. this is not what they bargained for. >> last word to you,

congresswoman. those people who are terrified don't know whether anyone can stop it. is there any way to stop it legally? >> listen, i don't think that anything that he's done thus far is legal. so, you know, if i was to put on my legal hat, i would say stay in this fight. you know, you have worked for this country not because you were making the best amount of money. you worked because you cared. these are actual true civil servants. and so i'm asking you, i know that it may be daunting, but i don't want us to end, to end up in a situation where he's handed out these buyouts. again, the power of the purse is with congress. we have not signed off on these buyouts. like, i don't know where he's getting this money from. is elon pitching in? like i'm not really sure. so i would just ask for the sake of this country. if you truly believe in the work that you've been doing, i'm asking you to stick it out. i know that no one should have to go through this, but i am begging you, and i am

trying to tell you that i will be right there with you, fighting every step of the way, whether it means that we are going to file amicus briefs in the courts, whether it means that we are going to try to rein in his control on the house floor with privileged motions. any chance that we get, whether it means that we are working in a bicameral way and working with our senators to get them to be as aggressive as possible, because right now, as we heard, at least out of one senator today, we need to stop these nominations. i don't even know why we plan as if it's business as usual, if he is going to play and act a fool, then we will act a fool back. >> congresswoman jasmine crockett, thank you, alex wagner, my copilot on this wild ride. a lot of turbulence, lots of turbulence. thank you so much. and that is tonight's reidout all in with chris hayes starts now. your turn. chris. >> good evening from seattle. >> i'm chris