description of the full breadth of what the motherhood experience can be like for women. but at the time, it just felt oppressive to me. right? and you're right. like the cultural dialog right now about motherhood feels really old fashioned, really traditional. and i just feel like there's so much room for it to be both. it is true that when you become a mother, you have a huge change in your identity. that is fact. but there is also a way to find delight in that and joy and humor. and when i was depressed, i couldn't find any of those things. but it's okay for women to be both and to have both. you know, i'm. i something that i write about in my book is how i look back at the way my own mother parented and what her relationship was like to being a working mom, and how that i think duality was really complicated for her. and that's

something that i'm really interested in for women now. so many more of us work than they did in the 90s in indiana when i was born. >> all right. the new memoir entitled the mother load episodes from the brink of motherhood, is on sale now. author sarah hoover, thank you very much for writing this book, and i wish all the best to you. thank you so much. and that does it for us this morning. we'll see you tomorrow morning, bright and early 6 a.m. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. >> right now on ana cabrera reports. >> global condemnation. >> outrage from allies and adversaries. after the. >> president proposes the us take. >> over gaza. >> is it a serious. >> proposal or. >> bluster from the real estate mogul. >> turned commander. >> in chief? plus. quiet warnings. >> the white. >> house insists. >> elon musk's power. isn't absolute. >> so why. >> is. >> the world's richest man. >> still burning. >> unchecked through washington? >> also ahead, usaid employees.

>> all put on leave while. >> the. >> cia sends out. >> buyout offers to its entire workforce. what the. >> international stage could look. >> like if america exits stage right. >> and then. >> fbi agents sue the doj. >> as threats of retaliation. >> and fears. of mass firings upend the agency. >> good morning. >> it's ten eastern, 7 a.m. pacific. >> i'm ana. >> cabrera, reporting from new york. so much to discuss. >> let's begin. >> with this. >> fierce backlash here at home and abroad. after president. trump vowed to own gaza. >> the man who. >> campaigned on america first policies, stunning. >> the world. >> when he said the u.s. >> should, quote. >> take control. >> of. >> the gaza strip, envisioning it as the riviera of the middle east and not ruling out sending. >> u.s. troops there. >> the u.s. will take over the gaza strip, and we will do a job

with it, too. we have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal. and i don't want to be cute. i don't want to be a wise guy. but the riviera of the middle east, this could be something that could be so bad. this could be so magnificent. >> it's a proposal that would. >> require displacing the nearly 2 million. palestinians living in. this devastated area. nbc's gabe gutierrez is at the white house. vaughn hillyard is on. >> capitol hill. >> for us. our yasmin vossoughian in tel aviv. and joel rubin, former deputy. assistant secretary of state, joining us as well. gabe, the president, appeared to be reading from a script at times. we have reported. >> these comments. >> were not off the cuff. so what do we. >> know about how. >> this came about? >> hi there. good morning. yes, these. >> comments were. >> not off the. >> cuff from sources. familiar with the process. we understand. >> that he. >> did. >> speak with prime minister. >> benjamin netanyahu about. >> these comments beforehand. >> and we just. >> heard from. >> national security adviser

mike wallace that. >> the president had been. thinking about this. >> for quite some. >> time, that he'd. >> be that he. >> had been. >> receiving briefings from his. national security. >> staff, as well. >> as. his middle east envoy. >> steve witkoff. >> and he does think that this would be a plausible idea. >> and let's. >> listen to a little bit more about what he had to say. >> about it last night. >> i envision a world, people living there, the world's people. i think you'll make that into an international, unbelievable place. i think the potential in the gaza strip is unbelievable, and i think the entire world, representatives from all over the world will be there and they'll and they'll live there. palestinians also palestinians will live there. many people will live there. >> the president saying. >> the potential is unbelievable. you'll notice that you know, him being a builder developer. >> that language. >> matches that banana. >> one of the. >> most potentially stunning. >> parts of this. >> is that the president. >> insists that other surrounding countries, for

example, egypt and jordan, will would take some of these palestinian refugees. of course, those countries, it's not just highly unlikely that they wouldn't do it. it's all but impossible. and the president is. essentially asking. >> those countries. >> in the middle east to take refugees when he has been so opposed to take refugees here in the united states. >> and. >> vaughn, this idea would seem to go against international law. how are lawmakers there on the hill? >> responding late last night? our colleague frank thorp is still up on the hill here during attorney general pam bondi confirmation vote. and while the press conference in which president trump made the declaration that he intends to take over gaza were made, several republican lawmakers gave frank their reactions in real time. take a listen. >> i haven't. >> seen the firsthand account, but obviously. >> it's. >> not going to happen. >> i think that'd be a tough place to be assigned. if you're an american soldier. so i. >> you know. >> we'll see what the arab world

says. >> but, you know, that'd be problematic at many, many levels. >> i'm speechless. >> that's insane. >> i can't think of a. >> place on earth that would. >> welcome american troops. >> less. >> and where. >> any positive outcome is less likely. >> now lawmakers are coming back here to capitol hill as we speak right now. we'll be attempting to talk with them here throughout the course of the morning. we have heard very few republicans willingly standing aside from president trump over the course of these two weeks, consistently defending the actions he has taken from the executive office of the president. the big question here is to what extent is there a forceful pushback against this proposal that is being made by president trump here? understanding that the authorization for military force should be made here through congress. now, of course, the us's military force in the middle east has been liberally used since congress first gave the president authorization more

than 20 years ago here. but there's a lot of serious questions on the extent to which republicans will actually take a stand on what is quite a remarkable statement here from the president. >> and. >> yasmin, you're there in tel aviv. >> we saw. >> president trump making this announcement alongside prime minister netanyahu. how is this news being received in that region? >> the local press, the. >> far right wing extreme of the government, some of which have have stepped down amidst the cease fire deal, are celebrating this moment, thanking donald trump, thanking the president of the united states. there are signs posted along a main highway here in tel aviv saying thank you to mr. president. there are, though, folks, a lot of folks in tel aviv here that believe that palestinians have a right to that land in gaza. i mean, i'm describing this this morning on a quite frankly, as somewhat of a nuclear bomb dropped on the middle east, if

you think of and hear of the reactions from mohammed bin salman and saudi to the king of jordan, to the egyptian foreign minister, to iran, to the palestinian authority, islamic militants, including islamic jihad and hamas, they all agree that gazans should be able to remain in gaza, and that they should be able to have the ability to rebuild after this year and a half long war. in fact, it is uniting, it seems, the middle east around this very issue. if you remember, in the lead up to 20 to october 7th, i should say there was a possible normalization of relations between saudi arabia and israel that may very well fall by the wayside at this point, considering the steps that are being made by both president trump and prime minister bibi netanyahu, who, by the way, seems to also be extending this war into the west bank with some recent explosions that we've seen in a city called jenin, 100

residential buildings exploding, 30,000 palestinian residents evacuated from there as well. we have a super brave team of journalists on the ground in gaza who spoke to some palestinians there about what they feel, how they feel about what the president is saying, along with me spending some time on the streets of tel aviv as well, asking that very same question. let's take a listen to what they had to say, and then we'll talk on the other side. >> we can't leave our homes. how we can. >> how we. how you dare. >> how dare. >> you to. >> say you. should leave your homes? we can't, we can't. this. >> this is palestine. >> and we palestinians are the only ones. >> who have the. >> right to. >> to live. here and never to. >> leave it. >> we will never leave our town palestine. for us, this is never changing. >> i mean. >> there are people live there. there is. gazan civilians who lives in gaza. i don't

understand the idea of just taking over. >> you know, president tmp saying, why would they want to be there? because it is virtual rubble. and it is in fact, the north of gaza is virtual rubble. but there are palestinians, gazans who who evacuated to the south, who have returned to their home now by foot or by car and are setting up home amidst that virtual rubble, because to them, their home is the community, it is the mosques, it is the shops, it is the schools, it is the places they have frequented over and over throughout the last decades in which they call home. hence, one of the reasons why they say they will never leave gaza and. >> what they've already endured in order to stay in their homeland and wanting to see it revitalized. joel. president trump says he wants to see jordan and egypt take in palestinians. >> both countries. >> have come out firmly against. >> the idea. >> saudi arabia saying it would not normalize ties with israel without the creation of a

palestinian state. hamas calling it an expulsion from their land. as yasmin. >> mentioned, some. >> israeli officials are open to this idea, maybe even cheering it to some extent. but can you see this proposal getting any traction in the arab world? >> well. >> you know, on this. proposal. it's radical. >> it's. >> reckless, it's quite. frankly ridiculous. no arab. >> country is going. >> to support it. >> no palestinian will support it. >> jordan and egypt. >> have categorically rejected it. saudi arabia. >> has rejected it. the american people should reject it. this idea, just imagine. >> if. >> enacted. what it would mean. it would mean that american. >> troops would be deployed. >> again to the. middle east. >> to occupy a country. >> to conduct unlimited operations, to rebuild. we did this. >> in iraq. we spent $1 trillion in iraq. >> and we did not rebuild it in. >> gaza is in worse shape. we one other example, we. spent nearly.

>> $400 million to build up here for humanitarian assistance. >> this past. >> year, and the biden administration and the pier disappeared. it went into the mediterranean. it's an impossible task. >> the arab states. know this, and. >> all it's doing is pushing away our. >> allies. >> undermining the chances for a continuation. >> of the cease fire. >> undermining prospects for legitimate dialog and negotiations. >> for. >> israeli saudi peace. it's a complete farce. >> and. >> i don't know why. >> the president continues. >> to insist on something that. >> clearly nobody supports. >> joel. >> you mentioned we're. >> quite literally in the middle of a very delicate cease fire right now between israel and hamas. listen to what president trump said about getting hostages out. >> we'd like to get all of the hostages. and if we don't, it will just make us somewhat more violent. >> if we don't, it will make us somewhat more violent. what's your reaction to that? >> yeah. you know. >> we we've been talking about. this war now, you and i, for,

for a good long time. >> and, you. >> know, the delicate. >> nature of getting these. >> hostages out. >> essentially comes. >> down to the fact that the best way to get them out is a negotiated process and an agreement between. >> hamas and israel. >> that's been. >> the best way. and these sort of bellicose threats that make no. >> sense, that are sort. >> of. >> off the cuff, that can't be enacted, only serve. to weaken our. negotiators ability to. >> conclude deals. >> you know, when president. >> trump supported. >> president biden's initiative for the cease fire, he didn't. >> go bellicose. >> towards israel. what he did was he had. >> his negotiator. >> steve witkoff, push behind. >> the scenes and cajole. but these. >> public appearances. >> they only. >> spike the fingertips. >> of the negotiators. >> it's going to make it harder for hamas now to agree. it's going to make it harder. frankly. we can see in the israeli right wing a desire to maybe not make any more compromises because, hey, america can take over the gaza strip. >> so. >> we're fine. and that just

undermines our ability to get the hostages out and get the ceasefire. really structurally secured. >> all right. joel rubin, gabe gutierrez, vaughn hillyard, yasmin vossoughian, thank you all very much for starting us off. just ahead, we're going to be speaking with congressman gregory meeks, the top democrat on the foreign affairs committee, about president trump's gaza comments, as well as democratic concerns about the influence and access elon musk has right now. plus, new reporting on who is getting the richest man in the world, quiet reminders about the limits to his power. and later, a new lawsuit against the doj from fbi agents fearful of retaliation for working on cases involving the president. we're back in the president. we're back in 90s. [excited kids] honey? wait, what?! [dog whines] with covid-19 and my heart disease, i'm not gonna wait. if it's covid, paxlovid. paxlovid is an oral treatment for adults with mild-to-moderate covid-19

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are being placed on administrative leave. joining us now, senior political correspondent for the hill, amy parnes, along with two msnbc political analysts, republican strategist susan del percio and democratic strategist basil smikle. good to see all of you. so much to discuss. where do you begin? really, amy, as we're learning, our nbc team is reporting that 20,000 plus government employees have already indicated they're going to accept the buyout. what are you hearing from people inside washington about how they're looking at this right now? >> it's chaotic. >> i mean, i'm hearing from. >> people inside these. >> institutions there's chaos. >> no one knows what's happening. if they'll have a job, if they're going to be pushed out. >> there's nervousness among democrats. there's more nervousness even. among republicans. >> they know. >> that. >> trump came in to. >> clear the swamp again. >> but they. >> they didn't know. just how far he would go. >> and i'm hearing that republicans. >> are getting a little bit nervous about. >> how. >> this is playing out, how elon

musk is sort of dictating the terms. >> and this is. >> this is problematic, i think, and that's. >> why. >> you're seeing a lot of pushback. >> you're starting. >> to see a little more pushback from the white house and. >> from siouxsie. wiles and other. >> people, you know, basically saying he is. >> not the boss. he's here to help. >> he's here to help. >> clear the swamp, but he's not. >> in charge of it. >> you said the cia cutbacks, in particular the buyouts for all these cia agents is particularly alarming. >> it is alarming because it came right on the same day as this announcement. >> the president made about gaza. >> and so i'm hearing from. >> people inside. >> that institution. >> and they're saying what is happening? you know. >> you can't. >> put a. >> price tag on institutional knowledge. >> and the fact that. all this chaos is brewing. >> with inside, inside that. institution is really problematic right at this moment. >> susan, republicans fashion themselves as the party of national security back in the blue, for example. but they do seem to be looking the other way to a degree when it comes to

what we're seeing at the cia or within the fbi. the purge there. and, of course, can't forget the blanket pardons of all the january 6th convicted people. so are you surprised that this is how the gop is reacting? no, because i think. >> they're trying to follow. >> it as much as as anyone else. >> and they don't know which. >> way to step. >> is the bigger. >> concern for them. >> so the buyout that's. >> different than the purges. >> and the. >> administrative leaves. >> the buyout is simply to federal employees. you can get paid through september if you leave, if. >> you announce. >> your intentions by this week. now. >> of. >> course. >> if i. >> was an employee, i would very. >> much wonder, how are you going to pay me through september? i wouldn't take the buyout. >> because i. >> don't. >> think trump. >> can deliver. >> on it. i don't. >> think. >> they will get paid. >> that being aside. >> putting the purge and the cia issues or employees at issue, bigger. concern is. >> what's not. >> getting done to me. it's not just the institutional knowledge. >> which is critical.

>> but that means you don't have agents. >> on the ground. >> do you know how long it takes to be a well-trained cia agent? >> i don't know, but i can imagine it takes a lot. >> of years and years. >> you just. >> don't put them through the academy. for three months. same with the fbi. so what? violent crimes. >> aren't being. >> tracked by the fbi? what work is. >> not getting done? >> that is the. >> public safety risk that i see with a lot of that, on. top of the uncertainty of a workforce that doesn't know if they're. >> coming or going. >> and frankly, i don't think the administration knows if they're. coming or. going because. >> they have to reverse. >> themselves left and right. >> and that's why you take a look at somebody like marco rubio, who's now the secretary of state. he was confirmed unanimously to that position. he's now overseeing the dismantling of usaid. and that's become the face, it seems, of the government purges, purges that the government that democrats are saying are unconstitutional. by the way, did democrats get played? >> no. >> i don't. >> think democrats got played.

>> in fact, we. >> talked about. >> this, if. >> you remember, throughout last year, there was a. >> lot of conversation. >> on the left. >> about being mindful of the impact of. >> project 2025 because it's not a ten year plan. it's not a one. >> term plan. >> it is a. >> 180 day plan. >> guess what. >> it started. and what you're seeing is. >> the impact of not just disruptive. >> politics. >> but disruptive governance. >> that's what i think a lot of republicans. particularly in the. >> senate. >> don't want. >> to have. >> to. >> deal with because they. >> can't answer. >> questions from their constituents about what's happening tomorrow. and you have someone like an elon musk who is. >> perhaps appointed, whatever that. >> term means to donald trump, to be able to go in and do this in another country, this would be called a coup. he is unaccountable, and he's going through with a team of people who are also. not accountable into people's, into. >> emails. >> into payment. systems without care and concern. seemingly for

the impact the long, short or long term impact of this. but doing so probably for his benefit. >> where has this. >> ever really. >> happened in our history? >> and if. >> i'm a republican. right now, particularly in the. >> house. >> that has the second. >> slimmest. >> the republicans have the second slimmest majority in the history of this country, i'd be really concerned. >> well, yet at the. >> same time, the republicans are probably thinking, oh. >> you have blame it on elon musk cutting things. they're getting part of their agenda done. and they don't have to. >> do it through legislation. >> which means they. >> don't have to take bad votes. it's just a different way. >> and i think my point was that somebody like marco rubio, who they all thought would kind of hold the line and be more traditional in his role, is going along with what the trump administration wants hook, line and sinker. it seems democrats are expressing frustration, though. amy, here's some fiery remarks from their protest yesterday outside the treasury department. >> this is the most. >> corrupt bargain we've ever

seen. >> in american history. >> we have got to tell elon musk nobody elected your. >> we don't. >> pledge allegiance to elon musk. we don't pledge allegiance to the creepy 22 year olds working for elon musk. >> we are. >> going to be in your face. >> we are going. to be. >> on your. >> and we are. >> going to make sure. we are going to make. >> sure you. understand what. democracy looks like. >> okay. so, justin, as we're watching these comments, this is what's happening on capitol hill, the top democrat on the house oversight committee called to subpoena elon musk. and now they're debating on it. they're going to vote here, amy, do voters want their leaders to be doing more to fight back? >> yes. but it's tricky because we saw. >> what happened in november. >> and so i'm hearing from. >> a lot. >> of democrats that what. >> they have been doing is not. >> good enough.

>> having senator. >> schumer out. >> there essentially. >> saying, we. >> will not rest in having all of these lawmakers out there is not good enough. they need action. >> but they. >> need a plan. >> i think. that's what they need. >> more of. >> they don't need to be. >> screaming in the streets. >> they need. >> to show voters. what they are doing. >> and so democrats. >> are. >> kind of. >> you know, expressing. >> that right now. they are. >> frustrated. >> but they want their party. >> leaders to be. >> doing more. >> they want to they want to take this fight. >> to the streets, but they need. >> to be doing more. >> and they. >> they have to be doing that right now. and so that's why i think they're going to have to change. a lot of people want people to burn the party down and build anew. and so i'm going to i think that you're going. >> to start. >> seeing a lot of that coming. >> up. >> as we hear democrats saying, elon musk is acting as president, but we have reporting that he's quietly behind the scenes. he's being reminded that he still reports to the chief of staff, siouxsie wiles. do you see her being able to rein him in? >> no. >> i'm sorry. yeah. no. >> i don't see that. >> okay. >> next question. >> i don't see that at all. because number.

>> one, can she even rein in her boss? probably not. >> and so. >> i don't think you can. i don't. now that elon musk is sort of has the keys to government, i don't really see anybody being able to rein him in in the short term. maybe down. >> the road after. >> a lot of damage is already done. perhaps that. >> actually happens. >> but i will say just going back to something that amy. >> said. >> when you see. >> democrats out. >> there standing in front of treasury or protesting and such, those those young members that are emerging as real stars right now, not only aoc but congresswoman jasmine crockett from texas, chris murphy, who's already been very, very active. i think what's going to happen is you're going to see this kind of new movement of younger democrats in dc, but also sort of out in the communities and in the states, really trying to hold both sides, democrats and republicans accountable. and perhaps that sort of signals to donald trump and to the

administration that, hey, you know, we've got to turn the fire down a little bit. but i don't know that that happens in the. >> short term. >> i know you. >> want. >> to get in there. susan, let me just really quick say we're going to we're monitoring what's happening right now in that house oversight committee. and again, top democrat on that committee calling to subpoena elon musk. the debate is still underway. i want to play what some key senate republicans have told us about musk's recent actions. >> he's basically doing an audit. so i hope that he'll soon be issuing a thorough report to congress and the public. >> do you have a concern at all about the white house, through elon musk or others seeking to cut off already congressionally appropriated funds? >> well, i assume. >> that's going. >> to be the subject of some litigation and further discussion. >> he's throwing out big ideas. and if anybody thinks that all of these big. >> ideas are going to be. >> implemented to a conclusion, they don't understand the process. >> of disruption. >> everybody's acting. >> like congress. >> doesn't exist anymore. >> do you? and do you and other senators know what. >> it about? >> will require.

>> congressional approval to actually structurally. >> change them? >> susan. >> these aren't hypotheticals. it's happening. so when are they going to then step in? it is happening. and i. >> think the biggest mistake democrats are. >> making is making. >> it all about elon musk. >> say donald trump is doing this, donald trump. >> is. purging the fbi. >> donald trump is. >> cutting aid. >> donald trump. >> is preventing packages. i know it. reversed from china to come in. but elon musk by doing that he is unelected. he is operating. he takes all of the fire from away from donald trump's feet. stop it. call out. >> the president. and say the. >> president is doing. presidential overreach. then put those. republicans on the on the line like von hilliard did. and he said, if you notice his words. elon musk. through the administration, hold the white house accountable right now, they're giddy that all the attention is everywhere else. >> and i just. >> say very quickly. you showed

john cornyn from texas. he's got. >> a primary. >> coming up. and so that's one of the things that might come out of this, is that you're going to start seeing more factions within the republican party and challenging each other and holding current members feet to the fire, not sure what they end up. end result is, but primaries force people to act. >> which reminds me, as we've been also covering the confirmation battles on the hill, we have reporting that some of these folks facing primaries have been warned of consequences if they buck donald trump and don't vote for his nominees. everybody, thanks for the conversation, amy. michael, susan del percio, good to have you all here. up next here on ana cabrera reports turning the legal battles or legal tables, fbi agents suing the justice department, what they're now afraid of. plus, we'll talk to an fbi veteran about the impact an fbi veteran about the impact on national security. -what've you got there, larry? -time machine. you gonna go back and see how the pyramids were built or something? nope. ellen and i want to go on vacation, so i'm going to go back to last week

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off your booking and trust me, you do not want to miss this. >> welcome back. today, pam bondi is expected to be sworn in as the next attorney general, and she'll walk into the justice department as it faces two new lawsuits from fbi agents alleging retaliation for their work on the january 6th investigations and trump's classified documents case this after the doj ordered the fbi to turn over the names of agents who had worked on those cases. the lawsuits detail the agents fears of termination, as well as danger to themselves and their families, nbc has learned. the bureau has now given the doj that list of agents, but

identifies them by id number, not by name. nbc's ken dilanian has new reporting on this. we're also joined by michael clark, president of the society of former special agents of the fbi. ken, the reporting first. so these fbi lists have been turned over to the doj providing id numbers, not names. will they stay anonymous? >> well, that's the big question, ana. and the second big question is, will any of these people be fired solely because they worked on january 6th, investigations to which they were assigned? and that's what these lawsuits are designed to prevent. you know, they the agents can't prevent the justice department from assembling lists of employees. that's their prerogative. but the issue here is the public disclosure. agents are worried that they're already seeing january 6th felons pardoned by donald trump, doxing fbi agents and putting their personal information on the web and their names on the web. and they're concerned that there is a real safety threat here. but the big picture here is what we're seeing is a campaign of

resistance within the fbi, which is largely a republican organization. it's worth pointing out, including by the acting director, brian driscoll, who was installed by the trump administration. he is not on board with this idea to target agents who worked on january 6th. and not turning over the names was the latest example of that. the question is, can he hold out? and what happens when kash patel if kash patel is confirmed as the fbi director? look, there are people around donald trump that want to fire and maybe prosecute everybody who worked on cases, criminal investigations of donald trump and the january 6th investigation that would cripple the fbi and the fbi as a collective organization is fighting back against that. >> and, ken, i want to underscore something here. one of the lawsuits from fbi agents specifically references an ex post from pardon proud boys leader enrique tarrio that named a specific fbi agent involved in his case and called for her to be fired and arrested and said other pardon defendants should name the officials involved in their cases. what kind of danger does does this present?

potentially? >> that is a crystal clear example of what they are worried about. enrique tarrio pardon? now, though, is a convicted felon. this is the fbi agent who helped put him in prison, and now he's defaming her. and, you know, her name was out there because she testified in a public trial, but he is accusing her of without evidence of manufacturing evidence of committing perjury and saying that she needs to be held accountable. and it's not just enrique tarrio saying that very prominent advisers to donald trump legal advisers have been saying such things. that's the climate we're in right now. and that is exactly what these fbi agent associations and these lawsuits are trying to fight against. >> ken, thank you so much. keep up the good reporting, michael. you wrote a letter to congressional leaders to raise urgent concerns about the doj's actions, saying they threaten the careers of thousands of fbi agents. what kind of threat do these agents face? >> well. >> there's. >> multiple threats. >> on it. the first. >> threat, which is on every.

agent's mind. >> and also. >> it's not just agents, it's analysts. >> and anyone. >> who worked on these cases. but the first threat is. >> do they. >> have a job? >> you know, it's already a. >> dangerous job. >> and for these agents to be. >> distracted about, you know. >> well, will, i have a. >> job tomorrow? >> and the second part. is the. danger to. >> the. >> agents themselves. fbi agents are well trained to. >> take care of themselves. >> to defend themselves. >> however. >> their families. >> and their loved. >> ones are not. >> and nor. >> are. >> the analysts armed. and so. >> there's tremendous. >> concern on those two fronts. >> do you know, have any of them been threatened outside the bureau? >> well, i don't. >> know how many. >> have been threatened. >> i think there were close. >> to 6000 names on that name. >> redacted list that went over. >> to justice. but. >> you know. >> it's routine. >> for an agent. >> not routine, but it's. >> agents are. >> used to. >> being threatened by by some of. >> the. >> people that. >> they investigate. >> and convict. >> and put in jail. >> but this.

>> is just different simply. >> because it's a. >> it's a. >> massive number of names going out there. >> and let's talk about the threat for our nation's security. trump has already fired top officials who specialize in drug trafficking, cybercrime, hostage negotiations and other organized crime and terrorism, including threats from isis, al qaeda, hamas and hezbollah. michael, we're talking about people who have decades of experience and subject matter expertise. what does it mean to lose these people? what's the impact on national security? >> it's a. it's a dramatic impact. i mean. >> we have. >> lost almost. our entire executive staff. >> at fbi. >> headquarters and. >> and some field offices. so that alone is. significant out in the field. >> where the. >> rubber really meets the road. >> i mean. >> every office. >> has. >> a joint terrorism. >> task force. >> that is. >> led by. >> the fbi. >> and to lose. >> if those names are surely on.

>> this list, that's been sent. >> over to justice to. >> lose a. >> joint terrorism task. >> force would be devastating. it would. >> it would. >> leave us. wide open. >> to. >> a terrorist threat. or inaction. >> how do you make sense of it? >> i don't you. >> know, i give the acting director, brian. >> driscoll. >> tremendous credit for standing. >> up for the. >> agents and for the fbi. >> we are. >> encouraged that attorney general pam bondi. >> will be. >> taking over, because. all of this. >> has come from. at. >> this point, acting attorney general and an acting deputy attorney general. we know pam bondi is familiar with the fbi, has. worked with the fbi, and we're hoping. >> she. >> steadies the ship because. >> right now, the fbi is reeling. >> michael clarke, i appreciate your perspective. thank you very much for joining us and providing those insights and hope you'll come back as we continue to follow all of this. up next, we're going to talk to. thank you. we're going to talk

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development, but one that will applaud. joining us now is democratic congressman gregory meeks of new york, the ranking member of the foreign affairs committee. we'll keep monitoring what the speaker is saying right now, but i want to get your reaction to what he's already said on the record and the fact that if this were to move forward, this idea that president trump has thrown out there, it would require u.s. troops. it sounds like going into gaza. at least he's not ruling that out. what is your reaction to all of this? >> it's absolutely ridiculous. it is something. >> that i think on its face is contradictory of what the president's have even said. you know, as you said, sending troops into gaza, american troops does not make sense, then to remove people from their homelands. you know, that, you know, seems it's just absolutely ridiculous and incredible and inhumane and talking not talking to any of our allies jordan, egypt, saudi arabia, any and the

other areas. that does not make sense. so, you know, it's, again, a president that is talking off the top of his head, although i was concerned because it looks as though he did was reading from some papers. so someone is advising him in a very bad way. i don't know whether that's elon musk or someone else in that regard, but there's very various dangerous things that are taking place and coming out of his mouth. this is one of them to say that the united states is going to just take over gaza, and you're going to see luxury condos and things of that nature, not thinking about the group of people in their homeland and how we're working collectively together to make and have a two state solution so that we can have a real peace in the middle east. we should be talking about how we maintain the cease fire. that's what we should be focused on right now. the returning of the hostages, trying to make sure that hamas is not in control of any government. there's a lot of serious business that needs to be taking

place right now, and we are now distracted from that. that should be the conversation that he should be having with prime minister netanyahu right now. we've got a second phase of the peace agreement that's supposed to take place. and netanyahu has indicated some indications he may not want to continue. that's the kind of serious dialog that should be taking place between the president of the united states and the prime minister of israel right now, as we speak, not talking about going in and taking land of, you know, and sending in u.s. troops, it just does not make any common sense. >> congressman, we have the sound now with speaker johnson talking about this just moments ago. i want you to listen to it. >> yesterday, i think it was greeted with by surprise by many, but cheered by, i think, people all around the world. why? because that area is so dangerous, and he's taking bold, decisive action to try to ensure the peace of that region. it's a it's a bold move, certainly far

bolder than what's been done before. but i think we've got to stand unequivocally, in an unwavering manner. as the whip said, with israel, our closest ally and friend in the middle east. and i think if we could bring control of that situation and bring about a lasting peace there, it would do well for everybody, not just in the region but around the world. it's a volatile place, and i think the strong and decisive move is an important step in that regard. as as was noted earlier, prime. >> so he talks about it in very positive terms. i thought maga was almost synonymous with america first. so we hear that. then from johnson, we saw a tweet from republican congresswoman nancy mace posting, let's turn gaza into mar-a-lago. and of course, some of these same members were against aid for ukraine, but they're willing to go along with this. >> look. >> it becomes clear that some of these members, they really don't have any responsibility for

themselves and the responsibility for which they took their oath of office. so whatever donald trump says, no matter how foolish it may be, no matter how silly it may be, they will agree to it. that's clear. they don't want to do take care of their legislative responsibilities. because if you did, many of the things that donald trump currently is doing is against the law. it's against bills that we passed in the united states congress. and now, without even coming back to congress, without even talking to us at all, you're going to have an individual who says that no matter what we did, no matter what laws were passed, he is now the king. and so therefore he is going to determine what is. and as opposed to us doing our legislative responsibility, because who needs someone to be in a legislative body? if you don't do your responsibility and you just do what the president says without regard to making it make, whether it makes any sense

or not. that's what happens in russia. by the way, if you look at the russian parliament in proceedings, it doesn't mean anything because the only thing that means anything is what putin says. that's what happens in china, by the way, because the dictator there is what he says, not what the legislative body says. there is no check and balance. that's just a, a, a setup to have some people in there. that's not who we are as the united states of america. that's not who the american people is. the american people understand that we can't have an elon musk going into our records, getting into our privacy with a 19 year old. it's national security interest to us and to everything that we stand for as members of the united states congress and as people and citizens of the united states of america. >> congressman, let me ask you more about elon musk here. i know you were among house ranking members who wrote a letter to the president asking for information on potential

doge access to classified information in the treasury department. can you walk us through what you're hoping to find out? >> yeah. >> look, what are they looking for and why? and who are they? do they have any clearance? you know, you're talking about very important and sensitive personal data and information. and so you have someone who's unelected, the rich billionaire. so he's an oligarch coming in with a 19 year old and others that are younger, accessing private information. and we've been talking about china coming in and dealing with private information. and now internally we're having this what for? what are they going to utilize it for? what medical records are at stake, social security payments, disability payments. these are all private information of american citizens that this man is moving into with 19 year olds who have no clearance, no information, no wine or anything

of that nature. that is insane. and we as a member of the united states congress, all of us, whether you're a democrat or republican, should be standing up and speaking in one voice and said, we are not going to allow that to happen. >> congressman gregory meeks, thank you very much for joining us. >> appreciate it. pleasure being. >> with you. >> next on ana cabrera reports ice detention facilities are now at 109% capacity. what happens if immigration operations keep ramping up? >> a lot of people need to replace their windows or patio doors, but they put it off because they think it will be too expensive. hi, i'm ann rohmer. i'm here with michael smith from renewal by andersen. you really work with the customers to find affordable solutions. >> we do. and we're. >> the replacement window division of. >> andersen. >> one of the largest window manufacturers. >> in north america. >> so we can usually offer our customers. larger discounts and

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