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>> good morning. 11 a.m. eastern, 8 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin with breaking news from washington. the growing reaction to president trump's controversial proposal to take over. own and redevelop the gaza strip. the president announcing this. >> during a. >> news conference with. >> israeli prime. >> minister benjamin netanyahu at the white house. >> last night. >> instead of having to go back and do it again, the u.s. will take over the gaza strip and we will do a job with it, too. we'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site. level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings. >> the president's idea would involve the displacement of roughly 2 million people living in gaza. the president says. >> palestinians could. >> eventually return, but until then, they should be taken in by egypt and jordan. the president did not rule out sending u.s.

troops to gaza. on capitol. >> hill, meanwhile. >> the reaction has. >> been swift. >> that's insane. i can't think of a. >> place on earth. >> that would. >> welcome american. >> troops less, and where. >> any positive outcome is less likely. >> we'll see what the arab world says. >> but, you know, that would be problematic at many, many levels. >> netanyahu says president. >> trump's idea. >> is worth. >> considering. >> he has a different. >> idea. >> and i think. it's worth paying. >> attention to this. we're talking about it. >> he's exploring. >> it. >> with his people. >> with his staff. i think. >> it's something that. >> could change history. >> and. >> it's worthwhile really pursuing. this avenue. >> with us now. >> nbc news senior white house correspondent. >> kelly o'donnell. >> nbc's yasmin vossoughian in tel aviv. aaron david miller. senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international

peace and a former arab-israeli negotiator. so, kelly, i know you were at that press conference last night and you actually asked the president about. his idea. where did this proposal come from? >> well, part of what this is stemming from is the president's view, speaking in some ways, not as a statesman, but as a real estate developer. he looks at that land and sees the potential. he talked about taking it over and taking responsibility for the dangers there, like a developer would pay back taxes and clean up any hazardous materials on a site from a world point of view. this is a stunning and provocative assertion by the president, and he has been frustrated by arab nations in the region that have not been more helpful to trying to take displaced palestinians. he is trying to speak to the reality that there is so much destruction. and how do you preserve peace under these circumstances? it was a surprise

and it is something that has not been fully developed. clearly, the president's known for saying things that can be pushing the boundaries. this certainly did on a level that has so much historical significance and so many repercussions that go beyond the land and the moment. in part of our q&a, the president addressed what this could look like. i asked him what legal authority he has for this. he did not provide an answer. and would there be a long term occupation? the president responded. >> this was not a decision made lightly. everybody i've spoken to loves the idea of the united states owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in a really magnificent area that nobody would know. nobody can look because all they see is death and destruction and rubble and demolished buildings falling all over. it's just a terrible, terrible sight. >> part of what the president

did not address is the issue of how having u.s. presence in that very volatile, fragile part of the world where there are deeply entrenched divisions, how that could, in fact inspire or attract negative consequences to americans, threats to our security, and so forth. so many questions. and really, some of the reaction has been swift. people are puzzled, concerned. and then some of the president's supporters are saying it's worth pursuing. >> yeah. kelly, i guess this is a question that's impossible to answer, but do we know how much of this is an actual plan? >> we don't. it did appear that the president was reading from prepared remarks when he began to outline this plan and use phrases like will own it. there was an audible murmur and surprise in the room. that doesn't happen all that often. normally, when we go into press conferences with world leaders, we have a fairly clear idea of

what the key issues will be, what they will present, and then we proceed with questions. there are days of surprises. this one was particularly notable, and so it's unclear if there's any kind of plan yet or if this is the president using the bully pulpit and the global megaphone that he has to try to prompt some kind of response from partners, allies and adversaries in the region for them to act in some way. we just don't know yet. >> yeah. >> i mean, and yasmin, you are in tel aviv. how is that. global megaphone have how has that been received there? >> just quickly, jose, i want to weigh in on what kelly just said, because i think geopolitically adding on to what she said, if in fact, the president had an actual plan, he would need cooperation from the gulf states, along with possible cooperation from the palestinian authority as well, despite the fact that the palestinian authority has no real governance over gaza, because he has no cooperation from any of the gulf

states, as we have heard when we're talking about reaction, i mean, it seems as if a nuclear bomb literally has gone off in the middle east from mohammed bin salman in, in saudi to the king of jordan to the foreign minister of egypt, the president of egypt, by the way, making his way to washington on thursday, to iran, to islamic militants, to hamas, to islamic jihad. all of them denounce the president's plans to take over gaza. and what obviously, prime minister benjamin netanyahu supports. you remember, leading up to october 7th, there was a possibility of normalization of relations between saudi arabia and israel, which would have been unprecedented and unprecedented moment geopolitically. instead, now it seems this, in fact, this move, if in fact, the president decides to make it, will unite the arab gulf states and possibly with iran as well. and

then it comes down to the people that are really being affected here. right. the far right wing of the israeli government, certainly weighing in here and supporting what prime minister bibi netanyahu is doing in the united states, along with president trump as well. but when you speak to civilians here, israelis on the streets in tel aviv, they believe the palestinians have a right to remain in gaza. and then there are the palestinians themselves, the gazans. we actually have a brave journalist on the ground in gaza talking to palestinians there, asking them about what they think. jose, i want you to take a listen to that, and then we'll talk on the other side. >> here in palestine, all the palestinians refused the idea, and we will be insisted on our land. >> you have to remember, jose, many of these people, these families, they evacuated to the south amidst this war. they have now walked, taken cars, gotten back, however, they

were able to rubble, i mean flattened in north gaza. but they are creating homes out of that rubble because it is the community that they have historically been attached to, the mosques that they attend, the stores that they go to, the schools that they go to as well. hence, why these gazans, these palestinians, feel so completely and utterly attached to gaza and why they won't leave. >> yeah. and i mean, and that rubble that they are seeing, which was their homes and their schools and was a direct consequence of hamas's decision to carry out the massacre on the 7th of october. aaron, what is your reaction to this? and i don't know, do we call it a proposal? do we call it a plan? do we call it a an idea? what's your reaction to it? well, my head was. exploding when i, when. >> i listened. >> to the press conference. >> 27 years of working. >> for republicans. >> and democrats. >> from the carter.

>> administration to bush 43. no administration that. >> i worked for ever. conceived of. >> an idea which. >> was more detached from reality and more dangerous, perhaps with the exception, and that there was context here with respect to nine over 11. for our invasion of iraq and afghanistan. >> and it. >> just strikes me how. >> much of an outlier the president actually is. >> you have a situation. >> where the us is now tethered itself to. >> an approach. >> which at. >> best is will be interpreted as. >> forced transfer. number one, he's undermined traditional us. allies egypt, egypt and israel. who doesn't look at this as a they don't look at it as a real estate deal. it's an existential threat. >> for them. >> to absorb. >> large numbers. >> of palestinians. he's validated the fantasies and the narrative of the israeli right, and he sent an unmistakable signal to putin and to xi that

if, in fact, you want territory, you simply aspire to it, and you state your capacity completely untethered from anything international law, logic, rationality to basically assert your control over it. and it was all done standing next to an israeli prime minister who looked like a cat that had just swallowed a canary. the real takeaway final point today, the real takeaway here is not the unserious proposal by an unserious president over gaza. the real takeaway to me is the fact that this press conference was a no daylight between israel and the us press conference. he's equipped the prime minister with talking points that will help him keep his government together. and it just seems to me what's at stake here is real. that is to say, the implementation of the first and second phase of the gaza agreement. he more or less stepped away from that. those

are the thoughts. you know, aaron, i'm just just thinking about your vast experience on issues. and, you know, i mean, it's i think it's important to just, you know, underline just. how much experience you have and how many different negotiations you have been a part of. and i'm just wondering when all of those negotiations, the negotiations for the vast majority of them ended up with no progress for the palestinian people. and, you know, camp. david and the abraham accords. yes. but, aaron, where does negotiating the same terms and under the same language become just an echo repeating itself? and where do you draw the line, aaron, on stating things that are completely maybe impossible, but that as a negotiating tactic could at least elicit a

different conversation? yeah. i mean, i mean, i stand alone in terms of the number of failed negotiations i participated in. but this is not that. this is something that goes beyond even failed american peacemaking efforts. this is an effort to shackle the arab states with the absorption of hundreds of thousands of palestinians who have already been traumatized and are going to become refugees again. should this plan b be implemented. and it's so detached from reality that i think it has zero chance of being is, is leadership. and if you want a resolution of the israeli-pa conflict, if you want a conflict ending solution, if you want a best all previous efforts by republicans and democrats, then what you need are israeli and palestinian leaders who are masters of their political houses, not prisoners of their ideologies. leaders who are prepared to recognize that negotiation is not based on an

asymmetry of power, but on a balance of interests. and together with those israeli palestinian leaders, you need an american president who's got will and skill and a reasonable interpretation of what is required to solve, or at least to begin to address the what i call the problem of the much too promised land that's missing. you don't have leadership in israel, you don't have leadership in palestine. and you certainly based on what i saw last night, you don't have leadership in washington. kelly o'donnell, yasmin vossoughian and aaron david miller, i thank you so much. in just 90s with the white house is saying this morning about america's role in gaza's future, and we'll talk about all of this and more with congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz of florida. congresswoman, always a pleasure to see you. we'll chat in just a minute. plus, what the fbi just did that critics say could put national security at risk. and

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>> that's how president trump described his proposal for the us, to, quote, take over the gaza strip, rebuild it, and then, i guess, bring people back in. joining us now is democratic congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz of florida, a member of the house committee on appropriations. congresswoman, it's great seeing you always. >> this morning. >> thank you. speaker johnson was asked whether he supports the president's comments. here's what he had to say just a little while ago. >> we're trying to get the details of it, but i think this is a good development. we have to back israel 100%. and so whatever form that takes, we're interested in having that discussion. but it's it was a surprising development, but i think it's one that we'll applaud. >> so what was your reaction to all of this, congresswoman? >> well, jose, first of all, i'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved uncle waldo. >> i know. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> so much. >> and i. >> mean. let's just.

>> be clear. >> hamas is a brutal terrorist organization that fanatically attacked israel, killed 1200 of her citizens, took 250 captive, and we have 79 hostages that remain in gaza still being held captive. and after this first phase of cease fire and hostage release, we have to make sure that all the hostages are able to be returned home to their families. and so my reaction was, what are we doing to make sure that it is more likely, not less likely, that all the hostages come home, and that we can start down the pathway of returning to the abraham accords process that is was in the midst of normalizing relationships between israel and her arab neighbors, including in especially saudi arabia. i was in the region on october 7th. you may remember, jose. i have

returned to the region and visited many of those arab countries, and including israel, multiple times since then, and am going back in april on a bipartisan codel. but and i co-chair this congress, the abraham accords caucus. so we have to make sure that we're not doing anything that is going to make normalization between israel and her arab neighbors less likely rather than more likely. and we don't need to do something that emboldens hamas and allows them to recruit even more generations of terrorists who are hell bent on israel's destruction and the destruction of the jewish people. and that's what this proposal would incite in terms of the reaction and the destabilizing force that pursuing this idea would have. >> this morning, white house national security advisor mike wallace was asked if the president's comments meant the end of the united states support for a two state solution. here's what he had to say. >> i don't. >> think i didn't certainly didn't hear. >> the president say.

>> it was. >> the. >> end of. >> the two. state solution. you have the. palestinian authority, you. >> have the west bank. and when he was asked. >> directly, who. >> is going to live there in the future, he said the palestinians and perhaps many others. >> congresswoman, and i just want you, if you would, to expand on on what you were just saying, because there are we're just entering right now. the world is this second phase of the negotiations between israel and hamas to continue, hopefully bringing those hostages back out of gaza. what kind of effect do you think all of this talk here could play on those negotiations? >> i think that they would place those negotiations in serious jeopardy. if you listen to the statements of the crown prince, the prime minister of saudi arabia, who i've had the opportunity to meet with and who

is absolutely committed to normalization with israel. they've made very clear that, i mean, it doesn't need to be an overnight transformation that that a palestinian state is achieved, but that a pathway to statehood for the palestinians needs to be a part of the process. i mean, the president's proposal is, is unrealistic, is basically impossible. you do not have countries in the region who are willing to take the palestinians. and we have to make sure that we work together to establish an orderly process of rebuilding gaza so that we can ensure that israel and israelis are more safe, not less safe. we don't need to inflame another generation of terrorists hell bent on israel's and jews destruction. and, you know, that's why lindsey graham and josh hawley and even trump's the facial expression on siouxsie

wiles, trump's chief of staff's face, yesterday were appalled and said that these are this is a proposal that is entirely unhelpful. >> cosmo. meanwhile the trump administration, as you know, revoked temporary protected status for almost 350,000 venezuelans who arrived in the us recently, leaving them open essentially in the future to deportations. i know you represent thousands of venezuelan americans in your district. what do you say to them? >> jose, the fact that the homeland security secretary, kristi noem, donald trump's homeland security secretary, called venezuelans here in this country who are here because they fled maduro's oppressive and brutal regime. dirtbags. i mean, the insult is breathtaking. beyond that, they have not prioritized, as they said they would, people who are criminals and dangerous to leave

in the united states. what they're doing is they're going after people who are lawfully here, who followed a lawful process like tps, like the humanitarian parole system. and he's revoked that, reneged on the promise that that we made to these venezuelans who are have fled a regime where i mean, if the memo that kristi noem released saying that there's been improvements in the economy and health and the criminal justice system, there are true then then why are over half of venezuelans living in, in, in poverty and famine not? maduro himself is a narco terrorist who is under indictment. and i mean the health care system i've been to, to, to the border of venezuela and colombia, i can tell you, the health care system and people's health is decimated there. the conditions are not ripe or even improved to return and deport 600,000 venezuelans back to venezuela, to certain

oppression and likely likely violence. unacceptable. >> well, the only point that i guess, congresswoman, that the venezuelan government would say is that, well, there have been improvements in health and the economy for members of the regime. that is, i think, undisputable. >> and that smiley handshake that that from trump's envoy with maduro himself and the allowing of oil licenses to be extended, you're very quietly that puts billions more into maduro's hands and enriches the regime and makes it more likely that a dictator who took power for a third term is going to stay in power. >> congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, it's always a pleasure to see you. i thank you very much for your time. up next, we'll talk to a former fbi lawyer about what could happen if thousands of fbi agents and personnel lose their jobs. and breaking just moments ago, the arrest after an overnight search

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apprehended bruce reginald foster, the third, in connection with the shooting. police do not have updates on the status of the victims or the investigation at this time. and right now, the trump administration is in possession of a list of thousands of fbi agents and other personnel who were involved in cases connected to the attack on the capitol that, according to a person directly familiar with the matter. the list does not include their names. instead, it has their unique employee identifier in an effort for now to protect those agents according to the same person. and now two separate lawsuits have been filed on behalf of fbi agents who allege retribution say they fear for their safety and privacy. joining us now are nbc's ken dilanian from the justice department and greg brower, former deputy general counsel at the fbi and former u.s. attorney. so, ken, what is the latest from inside the fbi and how large of a search are we talking about?

>> well, it could encompass some 6000 agents and support employees, jose. all the people who worked on some 2400 january 6th investigations. but i have some new information actually just into us, which is that a person familiar with the matter is saying that the justice department is now assuring the fbi that they will not seek to fire or discipline any fbi agent or employee who simply did their duty and acted ethically with respect to january 6th. that's the first time that i've heard them say anything like that, and it may go some way to soothe the rattled nerves around here of fbi agents who have felt very targeted for simply working on a case to which often they were assigned or ordered to do. now, that doesn't really that doesn't really get us out of the woods entirely, because there's still a lot of feeling around here that people are going to be examined and targeted if they were worked aggressively on january 6th cases, and that there's a feeling that donald trump wants to take retribution against agents who worked on the

prosecutions of him or on the people that supported him. but it does seem like the fbi has been able in recent days, to resist this massive demand. and what appeared to be plans for a mass firing of fbi agents who worked on january 6th from the acting fbi director on down. there's been sort of uniform resistance within the bureau to these kind of demands. jose. >> yeah, i mean, greg, you know, ken's talking about up to maybe 6000 people there. they're pretty much january 6th cases in every state of the union. practically. what would it mean for the fbi if all of these people were terminated? >> well. >> jose, first. >> of all. >> this this whole exercise. is seems puzzling to me because, of course, the records within the. department and. >> the bureau are. >> clear in terms of who exactly was involved in these investigations and prosecutions and what exactly they did. and so i'm frankly not understanding why it's necessary for the department to have agents and,

and others fill out these questionnaires to obtain that information. that seems to be more along the lines of harassment than an actual fact finding effort. >> but to your question, >> yeah. >> you know. >> duty and. >> ethics, as ken. >> referred to it earlier in the context of a doj message can be a fuzzy concept of light, right? i'm not sure that those. >> who are. >> seeking out this information have the same definition of duty and ethics as have been traditionally understood. >> at the bureau. >> and so i'm just not. >> not sure. >> that the trust level is going to be there. and. >> you know, to. >> jeopardize the livelihoods, the. status of that many agents potentially will no doubt have a very negative impact on the fbi's ability to do its job in terms of public safety. and particularly in the counterterrorism area. >> so this.

>> is fraught with problems. i we certainly haven't seen the last of it. as you mentioned, two lawsuits are pending now. and the claims made in those lawsuits seem to have a lot of merit to them. we'll see what the courts do. and so and, greg, just if you would like many of these agents that worked on the investigations might and you know, ken referred to that might not have had a choice to be on those cases. how does that process work? interagency. well, there's. >> this is. >> something that the agency's general counsel, the fbi's general counsel, no doubt, is involved with in providing advice to the director. the acting director, as the head of the agency currently, and to. individual agents who may have that that exact question, you know, do i have to do this? is it a condition of my employment to have to do this? what exactly are they going to do with this information? can we trust what is coming from across the street

from doj in terms of what exactly they're going to do and not do? so a lot of confusion, which has led to the lawsuits, and i would imagine we'll get some clarity soon from a judge or two who, in response to a request for preliminary relief, are going to have to weigh in and at least issue some preliminary orders. the question then becomes, jose. is. >> if a if. federal judges rule in a way that the department and the white house doesn't like, does the white house, does the department follow those orders? traditionally, the answer would be, well, of course they will, but i'm not sure that's exactly clear at this point. >> and ken, all this. >> is happening, as you mentioned, also by the bureau being led by an acting director. what do we know about him? >> well, you know, he's being he's being lauded by the workforce, jose. i've even seen memes of him. he's he's known as drizzt around here. brian driscoll. and i've seen a meme of him as saint drizzt, because people are so pleased with the

way they feel. he has stood up to what they feel are really unfair demands for information that look like they're all about political retribution. but he's walking a fine line because he was installed by the trump administration, and he's never really worked in a senior management job before. he's he's been a member of the elite hostage rescue squad. he's had a number of important jobs within the fbi. he's very well regarded. and he didn't sign up for this to be in the middle of this mess. and so he's in a really difficult position as his incoming attorney general, pam bondi. frankly, there's nothing in pam bondi's background. and she she takes office. she's being sworn in today. that would suggest that she would be on board with targeting a bunch of fbi agents who participated in the case that they were often ordered to investigate. but she's has to deal with a trump administration. donald trump is being advised by some people who are on social media saying, we need to fire and prosecute all these people. everybody who went after our guy, everybody who went after the january 6th people. so there's a lot of different forces at work here. jose.

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the united states at the oval office. he's about to swear in pam bondi as the nation's next attorney general. clarence thomas, magistrate from the supreme court, is going to be doing the actual swearing in part, but these are live images from washington, d.c. meanwhile, there are new developments in the president's efforts to transform the federal government. right now, a demonstration on capitol hill is going on as usaid workers, alongside democratic members of congress, protest the president's crackdown on the agency. it comes as thousands of usaid workers from all across the globe are set to be placed on paid administrative leave by the end of this week. this is the administration sets its sights on another key agency. joining us now, nbc's vaughn hillyard from capitol hill. also with us, former democratic congresswoman stephanie murphy in florida and former republican congressman charlie dent from pennsylvania. so, vaughn, just

as of well, i guess last night the cia became the latest agency that could be scaled back with buyouts being offered to its workforce. what is behind all of this? >> right. this just goes to show just how far elon musk, doge, and the trump administration are seeking to go to push federal workers out of the workforce. this was a stated goal to deconstruct the so-called administrative state. and clearly the cia under john ratcliffe is now included in that. now, this was part of what is essentially the deferred resignation program that the administration launched and were offering to federal workers across the country, more than 2 million of them. and the deadline for that is tomorrow night, thursday night at midnight. and there was a new message that went out not only to the cia workers, but others across the federal workforce, effectively warning them if they don't take the offer, which as the offer stands, is essentially

that they would be resigning their jobs and would be paid with benefits, however, all the way through september. so essentially six months of compensation without working. and this new memo that went out clearly under the guise that there was frustration that not enough federal workers were taking this effective buyout offer. well, it sent a clear message that the government agencies are going to be going through restructuring and realignment, where the words in this new memo to federal workers and suggested that there will be looming layoffs. so essentially sending a message to federal workers, much like what we've seen happen at usaid, is that, well, okay, if you don't take this buyout offer, this deferred resignation offer, your job could still potentially be on the line in the months ahead. and you could either be fired, furloughed or placed on administrative leave. so essentially, you have 36 more hours to make the bargain or take the offer. >> i mean, and just charlie, i mean, and vaughn talks about, you know, trump's public promise

to, i guess, deconstruct the administrative state. this is something that president trump has been, you know, acting on, on day one. i'm just wondering what are the legal, in other words, does does the executive have the right to do that? i don't believe it does. and not to quibble about details. >> but the government. >> is not. >> funded through the end of september for these buyouts. congress has to. >> fund the government. >> democratic votes will be needed to fund the government. so how. >> are they. >> going to. pay for these buyouts? >> that's a question. >> that has not been answered. >> the president. >> cannot expend those funds as as i read the law and as having served on the appropriations committee for many years, the president also nor elon musk have the authority. >> to shut. >> down an independent agency of the government. >> or move. >> it over to the state department, that being the us agency for international. >> development, usaid. >> so there are a lot of things happening right now that are

just beyond beyond crazy. i mean. >> and by the way. one arm of the. >> government is not. >> talking, one. >> hand is. >> not talking to the other. >> just last night, the. >> president proposed the united states taking an. >> ownership position in gaza. >> well, you're. >> going to need a. >> very big and robust usaid. >> it's never going to happen. but you're going to need a usaid to deal with all the issues in jordan and egypt. will face if. >> you were to. >> move these palestinians. >> again, it's not. >> going to happen. >> but i mean, there's this seems to be a. >> complete and. >> utter incoherence as well as incompetence. but in the meantime, though, they're. doing enormous damage. >> to the. >> entire federal enterprise, whether it's at the fbi. >> purge or the shuttering. >> of usaid or, you know, the trade. >> war with. canada and mexico. i mean. >> it's just beyond anything i have ever seen. and at some point, congress is going to have to reassert itself in this debate. they cannot be bystanders as. >> we are, you. >> know, witnessing the dismantling of the federal government. charlie, you know, i want your thoughts because you have the appropriations

experience and others. what secretary of state rubio and others have said is that usaid has simply been an impossible place to get any accountability. and there have been some reports as to where some of the money. it may be a small percentage of the entire budget, but it is millions of dollars going to things that maybe, maybe could be changed. i'm just wondering what is the accountability or lack of it in usaid from your perspective? well, congress has to exercise oversight not just over usaid, but. >> every other. >> program that funds. it's a $40. >> billion program. >> they've identified a. >> few million dollars in questionable funding. well, fine. but, you know, why. >> don't we look, we can look at a lot of government agencies. >> the pentagon has an $800 billion budget. you don't think we could find some things there, but we're not going to shut the pentagon down because of some misspent funds. we should clean

it up. we should clean it out wherever there are problems. but. but usaid provides a lot of support on a humanitarian basis for people who are starving, people who are dying of aids. and. >> and. and we're providing essential. >> health services. and by the way, much of usaid funding right now is going. >> into. >> ukraine to help, you know, with the issues, the nonmilitary issues that they're dealing with in agriculture and other areas. so just to say that the usaid should be shut down because of some questionable expenditures, while other essential work is going on, i think is. really just. utterly reckless. yeah. i mean, stephanie, the usaid website is now back up again with just this notice to employees. it says by the end of friday, all usaid direct hire personnel will be placed on paid leave around the globe, with a few exceptions. what are your thoughts on this? >> well, i think. >> that there. >> are actually a couple of

inflection points for congress to. assert itself, and that will be with this government funding conversation that's happening in march. and it's not. just about how this administration is spending money with usaid aid, but also across the federal government. and i think there will be. >> court cases. but in the court of public opinion. >> the impact of these cuts and these actions have to impact a larger group. >> of americans. >> before you can get americans animated about this. and so i expect that when the farmers in iowa and texas don't receive. the purchases from usaid for the products that they send overseas, i expect that if there's some sort of intelligence failure or domestic terrorist attack that will. underscore the importance of the fbi. >> and of the cia. >> and of. >> the federal workers. >> who work on a daily. >> basis to keep us safe. >> and. >> who contribute an awful lot. and it's only. when they're not there tending to their jobs, and

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from competing in women's sports. of course, the order will be titled keeping men out of women's sports, and it will immediately mandate enforcement, including against schools and athletic associations. and the white house. and the administration does plan for the ncaa to potentially change its rules on this. of course, civil rights groups say that this will lead to increased harassment. but again, this is something that the president had promised during his. campaign and appears poised to do this afternoon at a signing ceremony at the white house. >> zach and gabe, we're just learning that a second judge has blocked trump's executive order on birthright citizenship. >> yeah. >> that's that's right, jose. just a short time ago in maryland, there was a judge issuing. a nationwide injunction blocking that executive order for birthright citizenship and banning birthright citizenship, which the trump administration is trying to do.

>> and you'll remember. >> that previously, a federal judge in seattle had called this blatantly unconstitutional. well, now, this judge in maryland, an appointee of president biden, says that this is the that today virtually every baby born on us soil is a us citizen upon birth. that is the law and tradition of our country, and that law and tradition are and will remain the status quo pending the resolution of this case. so again, a second judge blocking that attempted ban on birthright citizenship, which many legal experts have said is unconstitutional because the 14th amendment does guarantee every person born in the united states citizenship. now the next step. the trump administration has previously said that this could go all the way to the us supreme court. and indeed, we have not heard officially if the justice department plans to appeal this. but that looks very likely. >> jose gabe gutierrez in washington, thank you so much. that wraps up the hour for me.

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