pills. get $30 off at ro covid. >> right now on. >> andrea mitchell reports worldwide. >> backlash to. >> president trump's. >> pitch for the. >> u.s. to take over. >> gaza and remove 2 million palestinians to neighboring countries for decades, a clear violation of. international law. >> i think you'll make that into an international, unbelievable place. i think the potential in the gaza strip is unbelievable. i don't want to be a wise guy, but the riviera of the middle east, this could be something that could be so bad. this could be so magnificent. >> with us for reaction. >> to what arab leaders fear. could be an israeli. >> land grab. a former. >> house intelligence chairman. >> congressman mike turner. >> and democratic foreign.

>> relations committee. >> member. >> senator chris. who's calling. >> the president's. >> plan insane. plus, elon musk's. dismantling of the federal government. >> accelerating today. >> with all usaid staffers placed on. >> paid leave. >> and for. the first. >> time, the cia. >> offering buyouts last night to its entire. >> workforce. >> including covert officers. >> and analysts who take years to recruit. >> and train. >> what would. >> be the impact on. >> america's national security? >> good day everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. >> shock waves. >> are reverberating. >> reverberating from the white house. >> to gaza. >> to world capitals. >> after president trump unveiled. >> one of his most. >> radical proposals to date. standing side by side with israeli prime minister netanyahu. >> in the east room last night, the president floating his plan for the u.s. to, quote, own. >> gaza and forcibly displaced the entire population of the

territory nearly 2. >> million palestinians. >> mr. trump presented. >> it as an economic. >> opportunity, adding. he'll do what's necessary. >> and refuse. >> to rule out. sending american troops into one of the most volatile areas in the world. >> the u.s. will take over the gaza strip, and we will do a job with it, too. we'll own it. >> you're talking tonight about the united states taking over a sovereign territory. what authority would allow you to do that? are you talking about a permanent occupation there? >> i do see a long term ownership position, and i see it bringing great stability to that part of the middle east and maybe the entire middle east. and everybody i've spoken to. this was not a decision made lightly. everybody i've spoken to loves the idea of the united states owning that piece of land. >> nbc's kelly. >> o'donnell trying. >> to pin. >> down the. >> relevant facts. >> right at the moment, many believing. >> a u.s. occupation of.

>> gaza could amount to an. >> expansion of israeli territory. >> israel's prime minister netanyahu is standing. >> smiling throughout the president's announcement. >> he has a. >> different idea. >> and i think. it's worth paying attention. >> to this. i think. >> it's. >> something that. >> could change history, and it's worthwhile. really pursuing this. >> avenue. >> in a. >> very strong statement. >> saudi arabia. >> immediately reacted, rejecting. >> it. >> responding to. >> president trump. by restating. >> the saudi firm unwavering. position supporting. >> a two state solution a palestinian state. >> leaders in egypt and jordan have said. >> that they. >> will not take in residents of gaza. many palestinians actually. >> don't want to leave. >> our home. >> is the. gaza strip. it's part of palestine. we should be respecting the selections and the wishes of the palestinian people. >> president trump's. >> proposal could also trigger a major historic humanitarian.

challenge in gaza, even as his administration works to dismantle usaid. >> the very agency that would oversee. international aid distribution. we begin with nbc. news senior white house. >> correspondent kelly o'donnell. >> who was. >> such an. >> important contributor. >> asking those pointed. >> questions to the president and. >> to. >> the prime. >> minister last night. >> helping us to better understand what they really. meant by. >> all of this. >> and nbc news correspondent yasmin vossoughian in tel aviv. so. >> kelly. >> you were in the in. >> in the moment. we were all reacting. >> i was. >> you know. updating and rewriting. nbc nightly. >> news for. >> the west coast. >> but you just zeroed in on exactly what. >> people want to know. what is your legal authority? >> and we didn't get a clear answer to that. and that is one of the things that remains a pressing question. under what power and with what force or cooperation with the president try to execute such a plan? he did not speak to the decades of

risk and peril to americans in that region, when the u.s. has had any military presence, and how that has often been the route of attempts to rattle, radicalize those who would act against the united states in terrorism. so there's so many questions. the president was leaping ahead by decades to some new future for that area. and speaking of it, far more from his comfort zone of being a real estate developer, of clearing out the destruction, the very real destruction, and redeveloping it with a new vision that may or may not include palestinians. when he was pressed about who would actually live there today, the president was asked in the setting of the swearing in of pam bondi as the next attorney general. he was asked by our colleague peter alexander about this proposal. and despite the fact that there is clear condemnation and concern expressed by partners in the region and by allies and adversaries of the united

states, here's how the president responded. >> thank you. mr. president. can i ask you about your gaza? can we ask about your gaza proposal? >> a lot of people are talking about. >> obviously. >> it got a lot of attention. >> everybody loves it. but this is just not the right time. but we'll maybe do something later. this is a very important and in my opinion, solemn occasion. >> so the president there what i wanted to key on is everybody loves it. the president often takes questions. he was not effusive in taking questions in this moment. we expect to hear from him again later in the day. but his initial response was everybody loves it. clearly there are many, even in his own party, who are raising serious questions about it. at the same time, the speaker of the house is being supportive and there are reverberations around the world and this plan. some might see it as a land grab, a kind of colonial expansion, very unlike what the united states typically would do in this kind of an action. and so, is it a real idea or is it a provocation to

somehow get some other benefit or response from nations in that region? >> andrea and. >> kelly, i've been talking to diplomats and to others, officials, republican and democratic officials who, you know, just were shocked by it. and the president was reading from notes. this was clearly a proposal. he said he'd been thinking about it for months. he was reading from some texts. he wasn't ad libbing or riffing. and, you know, well, you've covered him for years. so you know very well that this. >> was something that. >> was planned. >> and later we'll show you that it. >> was. >> something actually suggested last year by jared. >> kushner at a harvard symposium. >> yasmin, let's. >> talk about the reaction. >> in. >> the region. >> how is it being received. >> in israel and. >> the wider. >> arab world? >> yeah, i tell you the way that we have been seeing it so far today, andrea is kind of like a nuclear bomb going off here in

the middle east, from saudi to jordan to iran. hearing from mbs, the crown. the from to king abdullah of jordan to the egyptian foreign minister to iran, to islamic militants, including islamic jihad, hamas, all of them denouncing the plans proposed by president trump, standing alongside bibi netanyahu. we know al-sisi, the egyptian president, is going to be traveling to washington tomorrow. we know king abdullah will be going on february 11th, next week to washington as well, two major players in which the president has said he thinks he can convince to get on board with this plan. but so far from what we have seen, they have completely denounced any possibility of asking or making forcing gazans to leave gaza. i think it's important to understand what the homeland means to palestinians there.

they have left north gaza to go to the south during the war. they have now returned to rubble, to nothing, and yet they are building homes on top of that rubble. and the president yesterday said, well, why do they why would they want to do that for them? this is their national identity. this is their homeland, this is their community. this is what they know. this is what they see as having shed blood for. and so for that reason, andrea, palestinians want to stay in gaza. and many israelis that i've spoken to here in tel aviv as well, believe that palestinians have a right to that land. sure. and i'll say one last thing. the right wing, the far right wing of the israeli government is celebrating today. however, the majority of the israelis, along with the palestinians, believe they should remain. >> andrea kelly. >> o'donnell, such terrific work. thank you as always. and. >> yasmin vossoughian.

>> your great reaction. >> from over there. >> we really. >> appreciate it. >> and here with. >> me now is michael allen, former. national security council. >> senior director. >> former special assistant. >> to president george. w bush. >> this is really not political, mike. >> this is. something that is diplomatic. >> you know it from. >> the national security perspective. we're getting furious reaction from. >> arab allies, our. >> closest allies. >> you don't. >> get closer. >> than egypt. >> and jordan. and now mbs and. >> saudi arabia. >> is a key target. >> of. opportunity for both netanyahu and. >> president trump to complete. >> his abraham accords. but we're moving 2.2. >> the number. >> they're using 2.2. >> million. >> palestinians out. >> of what. >> they. view as their homeland for. >> 10 to 20. years or longer. >> by the. president's own account, is. >> just a nonstarter. >> i think president trump, what he was doing was very on brand. it's disruptive. it's a shock to the system. it's his way that

we've. seen through. >> the years. >> of a tweet or a big statement that he puts out there and says, let the negotiations begin. i understand how unworkable many of these practicalities are, but i think what he's trying to do. >> is. >> to put others. >> in the. >> region on the spot and say, you know what? nothing else has. worked in the middle east for decades. what's your idea? >> and if you're not going to take the refugees. >> what are you going to do. >> in. >> terms of a. >> substantive contribution? >> i think. >> he's going to direct that. >> to egypt and then. >> jordan, and. >> then i think. >> he's going to put. >> the. uae and saudi. >> arabia on notice as well, which is if you don't like my idea to rebuild gaza, what's yours? and how are we going to move this. forward to have a gaza after this dispute with the israelis are over? that doesn't go right back to hamas. >> that said. >> in all of these negotiations. >> for more than a year, secretary. >> blinken, brett mcgurk, bill. >> burns negotiating. >> with all of. >> the players. >> in the.

>> persian gulf, had agreements that if. >> they if. >> america could help pressure. >> and get a more. effective palestinian. >> authority. >> that they. >> would kick in the money. to rebuild gaza. but israel. >> had to. >> agree to some pathway. >> to some pathway to statehood. and it's really. not even a state, but some territory. but what israel is. >> doing. >> from the. >> arab perspective and from many israelis perspective, probably half the. israeli public is. >> taking more and more land from the west bank, from palestinians. >> and not. settling the, you. >> know, the. fighting in gaza. >> that the former defense. >> secretary, gallant. >> gallant, said. >> was done right. it's not what. netanyahu was saying yesterday. >> he wasn't. he was laying out clear benchmarks that. >> he needs. >> progress in. >> degrading and destroying. >> in fact, hamas. but also, as you point out, mohammed bin salman has been very clear he is not going.

>> to. >> let normalization. go forward. with israel. >> until there is some pathway to a palestinian state. so i. think that this will increasingly be on the agenda inside of israel. but i think what what bibi netanyahu is saying is just not right now. >> i haven't finished. >> with what's going on in hamas, and we're not even sure if we're going to get to phase two. >> in the. >> ceasefire negotiations and. the hostages. so more to come before we get to this big settling question. >> there's also. >> iran and the. >> president. earlier in the day, about an hour before netanyahu arrived. >> at the. >> white house, i was watching. >> closely while he signed the executive order for maximum pressure, again leveling sanctions. >> against iran. >> but he said it in a very different way. >> he said. >> i'm unhappy about. doing this. he said. >> this. >> several times. >> i really don't like doing this. and he was signaling that he wants some sort of talk with iran. and when asked. >> specifically would. >> you meet with your. iranian

counterpart, the iranian president? he said, yes. >> i would do that. >> so he was signaling. >> i'm putting the pressure on. he said, because you have to be strong and firm. but what he really wanted, he said, was peace in the region. right now. interestingly, that's not what netanyahu is talking about because they have eliminated the air defenses. >> they think. >> iran is vulnerable. and they also agree with the u.s. >> assessment. >> intelligence assessment that iran is getting. you know, days away from having enough nuclear fuel and potentially very close to having a very rough, perhaps a dirty bomb. >> i think netanyahu probably did not. >> get what he needed. >> from president trump yesterday, which was some acknowledgment that as far as israel is concerned, that it's an opportune moment to go after iran's nuclear. >> program. >> not just because of syria's collapse, but because hezbollah has now collapsed, because that was the main deterrent to israel bombing iran was the fear that hezbollah would rain. >> missiles and. >> maybe even invade in some

sort of. october 7th style attack. so it doesn't sound like president trump is on board with any of that. to me, the way he's talking about iran is the way he talked about north korea in his first term, which is i want to do a grand bargain. let's figure out a way to get there. i'm signing all of these. sanctions and sorrow, but i want. >> to get to. >> substantive negotiations. >> i think that's a very astute analysis. let me just. quickly also ask you, you know, about. >> the fact. >> that netanyahu and the president are not. >> only not aligned. >> on that, but that iran may be a real opportunity. at the same time the us is talking about, according. >> to courtney. >> kube and some great reporting, withdrawing our troops from syria. right now, our troops are helping our allies, the syrian defense force, guard thousands of isis prisoners. syria is very fragile as it is transformed from assad to something resembling a better

government. the turkish threat and russian forces could move in very quickly if the us forces withdraw completely. what would you think about the us completely withdrawing us forces from syria? >> well, we put us in a precarious situation because the lesson the united states has learned. >> on counterterrorism. >> all these years is that you need to be present. you need to have a boot on their throat so that they cannot plan externally to come at the united states, that they're confined to constantly worrying about their own well-being and what a drone attack. >> might mean to them. >> just around the corner. so i think we need to maintain pressure. we need to have intelligence and intelligence presence in syria, because we need to be able to go after isis and keep an eye on everything else. >> well, i've. >> got to ask you then, about the unprecedented offer of a buyout of our entire cia workforce. it takes years and years to train and clear not

just an analyst, but an officer who's going to go overseas and work covertly. >> right. >> and the brain drain of people. taking this buyout offer would be profound. >> your pressure. >> on them is incredible. >> the experience you mentioned is so important to the way the cia operates overseas. think of it. you're essentially asking a foreign official to commit treason against his or her government and work for the united states. that takes skill, that takes experience, that takes years of learning. and it's almost as an apprentice before you make that kind of pitch to a foreign official. so experience and time on target is what makes the cia successful. so i'm hoping there won't be a brain drain. >> mike allen, thank you so much. speaking of experience, yours is. >> really invaluable. >> we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and former house intelligence committee chairman mike. >> turner will join me. >> next with his. reaction to all of this, the. >> remarks on gaza. >> but first, we have another. ammar moment. what is in the

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reading, and he said he'd been working on it for months. but there is furious reaction from the arab world, from our closest allies. >> roger. thank you for having me. i you know, your. >> report. >> kelly o'donnell. >> and. even mike allen both characterized. >> it as. >> you know. >> perhaps it's provocative. >> it's certainly disruptive. >> i think it certainly. >> characterizes that. >> you know, it challenges. >> the region to. >> to begin to have a discussion as well. >> what's what's. >> their. >> plan. >> what's going to. >> happen as, you know, as. >> a result of the. >> tragedy of october. >> 7th, the. >> you know, we're currently in a. situation of a cease fire. >> the. palestinians are living in desperate situation in gaza. >> you know, certainly there's very. >> little that. >> the president. >> can do. >> unilaterally here. >> and i. think there. >> would be. >> very little support. in congress. for the. united states to take. >> over gaza. >> but but certainly the president. >> and. >> his style and his way, and i don't intend to be a. >> trump translator. >> but in. >> his style, in his way, certainly has has. >> caused a, a. >> a focus of the world.

>> to turn to. >> okay, so what what is going to be the solution. >> for gaza. and, and. >> certainly everyone's focusing on his his. suggestion and. then what what will be what. >> do we. >> turn. >> to next. >> and there there have. >> been months. >> and months of talks with. >> the. >> uae, with. >> mbs himself. >> certainly with, you know, sheikh mohammed in qatar, who has been such a key intermediary with hamas throughout. >> all of this. >> that they would participate in rebuilding gaza if there were a pathway to a palestinian state. so is that goal, which is a great goal of netanyahu also, because saudi normalization is at stake, is that in direct conflict with the israeli, the pressure from certainly two ministers and, you know, key parts of the coalition to do exactly the opposite, to. take more land from the west bank and to potentially take land in gaza. >> well, i think what's

essential here is. >> that. >> the plan. >> has to have. >> the security. of israel. >> and what we've seen with the. >> you know. >> the hamas. >> having been. >> a. >> substantially diminished. >> with hezbollah having been substantially diminished with. >> iran now. currently significantly. >> reeling from. >> the back. >> and forth that they've had, where they expect it to be. >> coming out on. >> top. >> you do see an opportunity in the region where we can hopefully through negotiations, as the. >> president has indicated, that even. >> he's willing to talk to. >> iran. >> the to look at what can be solutions in the area that can guarantee israel's security. there have to be long term. >> solutions. >> and it has to be the core of it has to be central to israel's security. >> now. >> acknowledging that the president is a negotiator, and he often opens with the maximum. >> deal and. >> then works backward. >> but this. >> is what jared kushner had to

say. his son in law, who was really the point person for a lot of middle eastern persian gulf diplomacy. >> when he was. >> in. >> the white house. >> this is what he had to say at harvard just last year. last year in february. >> i think. >> that both sides are spending a. >> fortune on military. >> i think neither side. really wants to have, you know, a terrorist organization. enclaved right. >> between them. >> and gaza's. waterfront property, it could. >> be very valuable. >> he was talking about a real estate deal. >> well, i think what was more critical. >> about what he. >> said was that these are terrorist groups. >> and organizations. >> i mean, i wouldn't focus on the words waterfront property. i would focus on the words terrorist groups and organizations, hamas terrorist group and organization, hezbollah terrorist groups, organizations, satellite franchise organizations, groups of iran. i mean, this has, you know, the only way that israel can have long term security and safety and really the only way that the palestinians can ever have true autonomy, sovereignty and security themselves is. >> that they be.

>> free from the satellite. or terrorist groups and organizations of. >> iran. >> and that hopefully can be the way forward. >> well. >> israel has really accomplished a transformation of the region, the air defenses, because of their retaliation against iran, been vastly reduced. syria. assad is gone. hezbollah is gone. the leaders of hezbollah and hamas have been targeted assassinations. there's a cease fire in lebanon. there's some good leaders now in comparison to the us diplomacy, where, you know, standing up in lebanon so far. but what would you think about us boots on the ground in gaza? >> well, i think it'd be i mean, there would be grave concerns, i think, in congress and certainly i would have grave concerns also. but the other aspect that there's one more step that that on your list there that we. need to throw in there, and that is iran must not become a nuclear weapon state. and their ability to complete that has got to be significantly diminished.

>> and do you think that they are trying to find a shortcut to shorten the time where they can have something like a rough bomb? >> absolutely, absolutely. >> and what has been allowed in. >> the last. >> administration for them to continue to enrich and gain capabilities has got to be has got to be reversed. >> well, partly because some would say. because of the withdrawal from the nuclear deal. >> but and also some neglect. >> and let me, you know, just also ask you about the cia. i think back to the tragedy in beirut and the 1983. we lost an entire generation of our middle east cia operatives in that horrible bombing at the embassy. and now we're talking about buyouts, the entire workforce. you know, how long it takes to train an operative to be able to go overseas and then develop sources and contacts and the analysts just to get clearances

to recruit. recruitment's been up. >> well, would not be the entire workforce eligibility. remember, andrew is not like the entire workforce walking out. >> but it was it was offered to the entire workforce. >> eligibility is not the entire workforce walking out the door. the as we go through these budgetary changes, but also as we go through this issue of making certain that we have agencies. >> departments. >> bureaucracies that are responsive to policy leaderships of groups and organizations in the federal government. it's really important to be able to make these transitions. and i. >> think. >> the cia. >> and i think director ratcliffe is making the right decisions. he's a great leader. he understands certainly what the cia needs to do. he's he's led. >> what about his. >> what about his deputy. >> mike ellis? >> i think mike ellis is going to be listening directly to the director, who's a great, great leader. and i think you're going to see excellent national security policy come out of the cia. >> and do you think that at this stage with our national security

and our counterterror issues having withdrawn from afghanistan and not having eyes on their with isis potentially resurgent, with hamas fighters reappearing in gaza, is this. >> the time. >> to lose anybody from the cia? >> there are terrible dangers around the world, but at the same time, i do think that and again, we're not talking about overall, you know, reducing our our intelligence capabilities or our investments in intelligence operations. there are opportunities for us to redirect, to reinvest, to invest in different ways. and i think giving the director that ability that that that option is certainly important. >> and what about tulsi gabbard as dni? i know the senate confirms not the house, but a few people know as much about intelligence as you do. cia is operational, dni is organizational, but they the director of national intelligence, has the final cut

on the presidential daily brief. in particular. >> i was a little concerned about that nomination. >> i the. >> it's been interesting to watch that the senate confirmation process and how senators have have found their way in support of her nomination. >> and those republican senators. but what about the fact that she still refuses to say that edward snowden is a terrorist? >> and she. >> let me. >> be clear, she's a convert on fisa. >> snowden is absolutely a traitor. and those of us who are in intelligence and know exactly what he did and what he took, and even those, i think of the information that's in the public, it's very clear he was a traitor to his country. there's a reason why he's in asylum in russia, and it's unfortunate that. she fails to make that statement, because it's one that that should be easy and obvious to say. >> could we find better people than tulsi gabbard to take over? >> there's always someone better than someone else, right? but i think, you know, we need people who are committed to our country, and apparently that the senators, as they're going through the process, are convinced that she is. >> do you think the speaker

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and someone who has had long involvement with pepfar and other of our foreign aid programs. you've had time now to process the news about gaza that came yesterday in a prepared statement. clearly, the president was reading notes. what's your reaction to the president of the united states? >> well, andrea, i. thought the announcement by trump, which. seemed to surprise even prime minister netanyahu that we would occupy gaza and forcibly relocate 2 million palestinians when the neighboring countries, egypt and jordan, do not want palestinians to be forcibly. relocated to their territory. >> and gazans. >> are not. >> seeking to. >> be relocated. >> has struck me as a dangerous distraction. and part of why i had that expression was i had just come from the floor of the senate, where i was talking earnestly, eagerly pressing. >> a whole group. of my colleagues. >> about the importance of foreign aid and what is going on right. now where president trump is effectively shutting. down

the global. >> network of programs. >> that keep us safer. and stronger. >> that help. prevent public health diseases. >> outbreaks like ebola. >> in uganda. >> from getting to the united states. >> they help. >> counter human. trafficking in. >> countries like mexico. they help. provide stability and security in. >> countries that have been torn apart by civil war. the chinese are already. moving into some of the spaces we're leaving because of our withdrawal. from foreign. >> assistance around. >> the world, and i. >> think who's going to. >> be cheering. >> the decision. >> by president trump to shut down usaid. >> and foreign aid. >> is terrorists and traffickers. china and russia. his further suggestion, andrea, that we should somehow go into the gaza strip, occupy. >> it and rebuild. >> it, i think is both a distraction action from what's going on. the pushback on elon musk. >> and his role. >> in shutting. >> down foreign. >> aid. >> and a dangerous and ill conceived proposal. >> do you worry about the safety

of the hostages that islamic jihad or hamas could retaliate because of this? >> yes. look. a ceasefire was in place. hostages were being released. there was a path forward. and now president trump. >> has thrown it all into. >> chaos again with a out of the box proposal that nobody saw coming. he is an. unconventional president. who's more used to leadership on reality tv than on the complex diplomatic field of a place like the. middle east, the heads of state of all the surrounding. countries have worked with the united. states to try and move forward a regional plan for peace. it did not. >> include forcibly relocating. >> millions of palestinians. let me also add, andrea, that gaza today is a humanitarian disaster. there is very little water, food, housing. it has largely.

>> been destroyed in the. >> war since. >> the. >> october 7th. >> attack on. >> israel by hamas. and president trump is right now laying off exactly those americans who have experience dealing with refugees, with folks who need clean water and public health and safety and who need shelter. that's what usaid does. they respond to natural disasters. when there's a hurricane, hurricane or an earthquake. they send in the so-called dart team from aid, and they have partners. >> around the world. >> it's exactly the folks who could make that recovery in. >> gaza possible. >> who are being defunded and laid off, and whose. >> programs are. >> being shut down. >> now, the secretary of state, marco rubio, has tapped the director of foreign assistance at the state department, pete morocco, to review the agency's work. there were reports that he was at the january 6th attack on the capitol. he was not charged, though. we requested comment. but what is your reaction to that?

>> look, i don't know. >> peter. >> morocco, but what i am hearing is that he's in charge of the waiver process that secretary rubio set up to allow organizations to come in and appeal and say that their work is urgent and. humanitarian or critical to american security. and while waivers have been signed, money is not flowing. and that's why so many local partners are being laid off and vital programs shut down. it is alarming, if true, that mr. morocco was part of the january 6th riot in the capitol, but frankly not out of keeping with an administration that has pardoned hundreds of folks who were convicted of assaulting police officers in our capitol. >> do you worry about a brain drain at cia with a buyout offer by the musk people to through communicated through the leadership, the new leadership at cia, a buyout offer for the entire workforce? >> yes. and oddly worded email offering a buyout of fork in the

road. email was sent to most of the civilian workforce of the u.s. government. that's a lot of people. and the cia has now extended that to their workforce, which, i'll remind you, includes people with critical national security knowledge and experience. just as we're losing a generation of knowledge, skill and experience in foreign aid and our development professionals who've served us around the world, so too, this buyout offer, which i question whether it's even legal or appropriate, i think would weaken our critical intelligence community and our largest and in some ways, most important part of the intelligence community, the cia. i will be talking with director ratcliffe later today about exactly this. >> and what do you know about russian propaganda, trying to take advantage of all this and perhaps chinese as well. >> when we create an opening by withdrawing from the world, by this sort of chaotic leadership, than our adversaries take advantage of it. i heard reports earlier today that an aid

program that's been shut down in nepal, the chinese, are already offering to come in and take it over and help the nepalese in their moment of need. i think that when we have disorder in our intelligence services, in the department of defense, in some of our domestic agencies like sba or education, or when there is an infiltration of the treasury database that has information on every american, it both unsettles our democracy. it causes concern to millions of americans. my phones have been. >> ringing off. >> the hook. and i think, andrea, the only appropriate response to several of these abrupt actions is litigation to get a temporary restraining order. it worked last week on the domestic funding shutdown. my hope is it will work going forward on some of the ways that the privacy of americans have been compromised, and that our national security is being put at risk. >> senator chris, thank you so much. >> thank you. andrea. >> and we have breaking news from capitol hill, where the

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of you. and, susan, this is only, you know, week three of the trump administration. it seems like a lot longer. what do you make of the pace at which the white house is shaking up the federal government? >> you know, andrew, we've never. >> seen anything. >> like this. >> never in modern. >> times has a. >> president come. >> in and done so much, so fast to fundamentally. >> try to. >> reshape the government. >> affect the budget, set policy. foreign policy. >> you know, we. >> heard him last night. >> reversing decades. of u.s. policy. >> on what should happen in the gaza strip. so this. is really. >> territory we. >> haven't been. >> at before. >> and he has been greatly. >> helped by. >> elon musk. >> who clearly has. >> some some. >> approaches on accessing. computer systems for. employees and for treasury payments that have the potential. >> to really. expand and. >> test the boundaries of presidential power. >> andrea. >> and elon musk also has an

implicit threat that can be wielded to pour money into any campaign for primaries against those who hold back in either the house or the senate. critically, in the senate, in terms of confirmations with those who were up in 2026. musk also tried hiring a turkish green card holder at d.o.j, according to your reporting. ashley. talk to me about that and what else is happening at doge? >> sure. >> so elon musk has a group. of loyalists who he. >> sort. >> of brings from. >> business to business. >> to project. >> and one. >> of these. >> is a. turkish venture. capitalist who. is a. >> us green card holder. >> but us. >> law generally. >> states that. >> to work for the federal. >> government, you have. >> to be. >> a us citizen. >> and elon musk asked the white house, trump's team of advisers. >> for an exception. >> and the answer. >> came back. >> an. unequivocal no. and they basically. >> told musk that, look. >> right now. >> under donald trump, we're in the business. >> of deportations.

>> and it would. send a very confusing message to bring in a. >> foreigner. >> even a green card holder, to help you essentially lay off and shrink. >> the. american federal. >> government workforce. >> and our understanding was elon musk and his team. accepted that and moved on. but we. >> sort of viewed that as. >> you know. >> a glimpse into what is. >> right now in washington. >> the most watched relationship. >> which. >> is that between elon musk and. >> donald trump, because elon musk is. just utterly upending. the federal. >> government. >> doing things that a. >> number of. >> people say are. >> illegal. >> or that he doesn't have the authority. >> to do. he is sort of a singular force. >> but he is. >> also getting all of that power. >> and that. >> authority from. >> donald trump. and without donald trump's sort of imprimatur. >> and go ahead to musk, all of. >> that. >> goes away. so musk. >> has. to stay. >> in trump's good graces while.

>> executing on. >> trump's agenda. >> but within the strictures. >> of a. >> federal bureaucracy with which he is clearly both. >> not that. >> familiar and. >> not that eager to. >> work within. >> he has an extraordinary reach, as well as, obviously, the technical skills and the ability to amplify on twitter everything that he's doing with his own perspective, to say the least, as he and his acolytes, susan, plan to abolish the department of education. next. speaker johnson appears to be on board. republicans are standing by president trump. so how do the democrats take this on? >> well, democrats are. >> still trying to figure that out, andrea. >> democrats have only the power of their. >> own voice. >> they no. >> longer have a base. >> of power anywhere in washington. >> and they have not yet united. >> on what exactly that voice ought to be saying. >> you see some democrats saying. oppose trump. >> on. >> everything we. >> see. >> in some of. these confirmation battles. >> a handful of democrats. voting for trump's nominees. so

trump has at the moment. >> a compliant congress. >> we saw that with the fact that the senate, where we had. several republicans expressing concern about some of these most controversial nominees, basically folding it now looks like his entire cabinet is going to get confirmed from the including some. people who at the point of their announcement, seemed astounding choices. >> for those jobs. >> andrea and ashley, there are still executive orders to come later today from the president, including one on transgender athletes. what do we expect there? >> well, in general, i think one important thing is donald. >> trump in. >> every aspect. it's been. sort of described. >> as getting some of this out of his system and. >> doing these executive orders and upending agencies. >> as much as there's the. >> action, of course, but. >> as much as messages. >> to.

>> his base and messages. >> to the american. >> public of what is and is not acceptable. >> and he has made. >> clear he wants to root out die. >> you are seeing some government. >> websites that for the that normally where they. >> would have lgbtq, they. >> have eliminated. >> the t. so that of course is the t for transgender. >> and the q and transgender. athletes is an. >> issue that. was incredibly. >> beneficial for him, specifically transgender women. so born biologically. >> male. >> playing on women's sports teams, playing in women's sports. this was a very beneficial. issue for him. >> during the campaign. >> it was something that kamala harris and. >> her. >> team grappled. >> with and never really came up. >> with a good answer, and something even a. >> lot of progressive. >> democrats don't quite feel comfortable with. >> yeah, and eliminating on passports, for instance, anything other than male or female. so those categories have to be changed on any forthcoming passports. susan page, ashley

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within the law. okay, so a huge part of that will be the office of the general. counsel here. >> will decide. >> what legally. >> can the united states military do. now, andrea, i think. >> a really, really. >> important point. >> is ever since the president. >> said. >> that at that press. >> conference last. >> night. >> we have been asking. >> everywhere. at this point. >> find any indication that. >> the. >> us military is doing any kind of even preliminary, preliminary. active planning for. >> a us military. >> deployment to gaza. >> and i. >> think a big part. of that is exactly what we have. >> been hearing. >> since october 7th especially. >> but even before that is any. concerns about the optics of u.s. military troops in uniform on the ground in gaza. >> the message. that that would send to the region and. >> frankly, to the world, there has been always been a tremendous amount. >> of. >> concern about exactly the optics of. >> having u.s. >> military boots on the ground in gaza. >> but again. despite what president trump said last night, at this point, there is. >> still no active. >> military planning. for us troops to be.

>> in gaza. >> and just quickly, you reported exclusively that there's consideration of withdrawing u.s. troops from syria, where they are working with our allies, the sdf, in, as they guard thousands of isis prisoners at this point. good idea or bad idea? the military is concerned about this. >> and andrea, this is an exact example. >> of how the military has really been leaning in on some of the things that. president trump and his advisers have been saying. there has not been. >> a. >> direct order from. >> the white. >> house to do. >> this. >> planning. >> but the military is. trying to be proactive. so they're setting up these potentials for 30 day, 60. >> day and 90 day withdrawal of all u.s. troops from syria, should. >> the order come from president trump? the reality is, andrea. >> this is. >> one that people here in the. >> pentagon are do expect. >> is a little bit more. >> plausible than. >> sending troops to gaza? thank you very much, courtney. thank you for all that you're doing. we really appreciate it. and that does it for us for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. be sure to tune in tomorrow. i'll be joined by speaker emerita nancy pelosi.

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