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>> over donald. >> trump's audacious pitch to take over gaza, kicking out. >> 2 million. >> people and remaking it into an international. tourist destination. but will the backlash to get the president to back down? plus, sharpiegate. >> redux a scientist. >> who became entangled in the infamous remaking. >> of a. >> map known as sharpiegate. >> during trump's. >> first term, has just been tapped. >> for a big role. >> in his second. what to know about the man who could soon be leading noah and successful search. the manhunt following a mass shooting in ohio ends with an arrest. the new details about how the attack unfolded at a warehouse. so much to get to on this wednesday. but we start with the surge of international outrage following president trump's suggestion that the u.s. take. control of gaza and permanently evict millions. >> of. >> palestinians in the process. the washington post describes trump's proposal as an act of towering cruelty. democrat chris van hollen called it ethnic

cleansing by another name. the head of the jewish democratic council of america says it's not just extreme, but completely detached from reality. that level of norm busting brazenness and possible illegality reflected in headlines around the country. but in gaza, trump sees opportunity suggesting that he would turn it into, quote, the riviera of the middle east. >> i don't think people should be going back to gaza. i think that gaza has been very unlucky for them. they've lived like hell. they lived like you're living in hell. gaza is not a place for people to be living. why would they want to return? the place has been hell. it's been one of the meanest, one of the meanest, toughest places on earth. >> but trump's opinion doesn't match the pictures we've been seeing in recent weeks. tens of thousands of palestinians voluntarily returning home after the ceasefire with israel, even if it means pitching tents amid the destruction. and they're

sending a message to trump that they're not going anywhere. >> we can't. >> leave. >> our homes. >> how we can how we how you dare. >> how dare you to say you should leave your homes? we can't, we can't. we will never. >> leave our town, palestine. for us. this is never changing. >> our homeland is our homeland. if part of it is destroyed, the gaza strip, the palestinian people selected the choice to return to it. >> i want to bring in. nbc's kelly o'donnell covering the white house. richard engel is joining me from lisbon. peter baker is the new york times chief white house correspondent. and elise jordan served in george w bush's white house and state department. both peter. and elise are msnbc political analyst. so, kelly, are you hearing anything from inside the white house that the president is rethinking any of this based on the reaction that's been coming in? >> not so far. he has already said today that, quote, everybody loves it, referring to

his idea. i don't know who specifically he's referring to there when he calls it everybody. he did not want to go into greater detail and said he would likely talk about it more later today. we're also waiting on the white house press briefing with caroline leavitt. perhaps we'll have some more insight there. so often this president telegraphs ideas in advance, and the clues were present in what you just played in the oval office, which preceded the press conference, where then the president read his remarks that outlined this idea for the first time publicly, the u.s. takeover, owning it, clearing out and removing dangers, and then redeveloping it as he articulated it next to benjamin netanyahu in the east room. this was prior to that in the oval office, where he sort of put out the test balloons in saying that, why would gazans want to go back? it was striking to be there, and there are still many important questions for which we

don't have answers. and in the q&a with the president in the east room, i pressed him on a couple of things, because when he laid this out, he did it in that sort of normal cadence, as if he was reading the kind of agreements we see all the time with world leaders. it didn't have the shockwaves that it is now having, whether it is real or simply provocative. so i wanted to know what what kind of legal authority would allow the u.s. to do this? and is this u.s. troops on the ground? here's how the president responded. you're talking tonight about the united states taking over a sovereign territory. what authority would allow you to do that? are you talking about a permanent occupation there? redevelopment? >> i do see a long term ownership position, and i see it bringing great stability to that part of the middle east and maybe the entire middle east. and everybody i've spoken to. this was not a decision made lightly. everybody i've spoken to loves the idea of the united

states owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent. >> for everybody we do know includes, to some degree, benjamin netanyahu. i was able to follow up with him directly and ask him about this view, and he called it fresh thinking. he said it was interesting. it should be considered as a new vision for the region, and he was open to it. obviously, there would be inherent benefits to israel if threats from palestinians were not at their doorstep and if there would be even potentially expansion of israeli settlements. again, the president was talking about the u.s. owning it, not expanding israel. but again, we're in a world of so many questions right now, but other certainly leaders in the region and richard can speak to this, have raised very serious questions. >> thanks so much. kelly o'donnell at the white house. >> peter, you have a really. >> great take on this today. among the things you write is

this when it came to gaza, mr. trump's thinking on tuesday was so far outside the box that it was not clear he even knew there was a box provocative, intriguing, outlandish, outrageous, and not at all presidential. you know, as kelly just said, do we know if this is real, if it's simply provocative? maybe another part of his strategy to flood the zone. so we're talking about this and not about elon musk or mass deportations or shutting down the department of education. what do you think? >> well. on the one hand, it seems hard to take. >> serious because it seems so farfetched, so outlandish, so brazen. >> and so antithetical to. any anything. >> that any us president. >> would. >> ever conceive. >> of, certainly. >> in the modern era. on the other hand, you know, as kelly noted, he was reading from notes. he had. >> he told. >> her, i this is not something he had raised lately. it's not like an actual plan. nobody's done any. >> actual work. >> to document what this would require. what kind. >> of, you know, logistics might be involved.

>> or cost. >> might be involved. but it's a little bit more than just him talking. >> off the top of his head. >> and he may. >> not mean it seriously in the sense. >> that we. >> will ever pursue this. it's hard to see how that would ever happen. remember, he ran for office. >> in. >> 2016 decrying. >> the idea of. >> nation building. >> in the middle east. >> now he's proposed perhaps. >> the most. >> expansive idea. of nation building in. >> the middle. >> east, certainly since the. iraq war two decades ago. it may be that he. loves getting people riled up. it may be that. you know, he likes to, to, to. >> to throw, you know. >> stink bombs in the middle of the conversation. because it doesn't seem possible they could do this. and yet he did say he's taking it seriously and he's got everybody talking about it. and it is fair to say. that gaza. >> is a demolition site. >> he used that phrase. more than half the buildings have been destroyed. it's hard to. >> see how people can can. >> live there without some sort of massive reconstruction project. nobody else has come up with a better idea. >> but so. >> far, obviously this is a nonstarter from the point of view of, you know, most. most

people in the region and certainly. >> even most. >> people in washington. >> well, the other thing is, peter, and you mentioned this as well, is that it seemed to be an idea that grew by the hour as the day went on. i mean, tell us more about that and what some people would consider the audacity to propose it without any details or or seemingly any real idea of what would be involved. >> yeah, it. >> did grow. >> through the day. >> at the beginning of the day. >> his aides. >> were telling reporters, yes, look, it's. >> going to take 15 years to rebuild gaza. >> something a lot. >> of people would agree with. and we have to figure out. >> how. >> to. >> work with partners. >> in the region to. >> help people. in palestine and palestinians. >> living there to find some. >> place to live during that. a lot of people might. agree with. >> that, at. least on the face. >> by the time he met with. >> reporters for an. >> executive order. >> signing, he was saying. >> you know, there's no. alternative for the palestinians but to leave gaza, which is a more provocative. >> way of saying it. within an. >> hour or so, he's. >> hosting netanyahu, and he goes even further. >> still, saying that, you know, that he wants all. palestinians to leave and that they won't tell him no, which sounds kind

of menacing, of course. and it was by the evening when kelly o'donnell is shown there at that press conference in the east room, that he finally goes. >> even further by. >> saying the. >> united states. >> would take ownership of gaza, which, of course, really, i think made heads spin all over the region. >> so, richard engel, what's been the reaction to this overseas? >> well. >> the reaction in the. >> middle. >> east has. >> been shock. it has. >> been horror. >> people have described it as ethnic cleansing. they've described it as profoundly destabilizing to the entire middle east since this event happened. and we're working with. >> a time difference here. so since the. >> event happened. >> last night in the u.s, i've been getting phone calls, texts pretty much through the night with with people trying to. >> figure. >> out exactly the subject. >> that you're trying. >> to. figure out. is he really serious? it seems. so detached from reality, and. >> it would. >> be so brutal to.

>> carry out. >> you have a situation where gaza is more or less destroyed. >> right now. >> many of the homes, the buildings have been damaged and the infrastructure has been torn up. so people are now in. >> the. >> midst of going. >> back to. >> northern gaza. >> in particular. >> a lot of gazans. >> as. >> you remember. >> were forced down. >> into the south. >> which was less damaged, although quite significantly as well. and they're going back up to the north and seeing all of this rubble. so they're already going through this trauma right now. >> of having. been under. >> attack. >> having been. crammed down into southern gaza. >> now they're. >> making the journey often. >> on foot to. >> the north. >> and then. >> they suddenly hear from president trump. oh, by the way, you're. >> all going. >> to have to leave again. you're all going to have to go to countries where you don't want to go, countries that don't want to have you. and the us is. >> going to be. >> responsible for doing this. >> the us is going to take. possession somehow. of that. >> land and build some sort of

riviera. and palestinians. >> are quite. >> convinced this. riviera does not apply to them, that. >> they will be expelled. >> and that. >> there could be. >> if this scenario ever. >> played out. >> some sort of development. >> projects. >> but that they would not be the beneficiaries here. so i'm hearing a lot of. >> outrage and. >> a lot of questions about how serious he is, because when you think about the practicalities. how would this work? it just seems so implausible because. president trump would. >> have to come up with some sort of plan. they would have to get. >> palestinians to. >> agree to leave. >> and some probably would leave. no doubt there's a lot of destruction there. and people given other alternatives, maybe they would go. but then what about the people? and there are many. >> and we spoke to. >> some of them today who say they don't want to leave, because leaving isn't just leaving their home, it's leaving the homeland. it's abandoning the idea that they will ever be a palestinian state. >> because you can't. >> have a palestinian state without any people. so if the if the palestinians from gaza, roughly 2 million of them, were

suddenly sent to jordan or egypt or, and, and or other countries in the region, that would be really the end of the palestinian state. and the. only people in the in the middle east who are celebrating this today are the hard line israeli settlers who've all along thought this was a great opportunity, this this post october 7th moment to reoccupy the gaza and to restore jewish settlements to the area. so it is sent people into something of a tailspin in the region, as they're trying to figure out. is he really going to do this? does he really want to is he really serious about this? and i guess we'll find. out more in the days ahead. if this was just some sort of thought balloon that, that he, he, he had with clearly with the encouragement of some, some israelis or if this was or if this is really. >> going to. >> become policy. >> so, elise, let's assume the president is serious. talk to me about what would be involved here on the us side

logistically, financially, because peter points this out in his article, this would be the biggest us commitment of strength and money in the middle east in 20 years. back to when you were in the bush administration. >> no, it would be another occupation, just like in iraq. and is that what the american public, especially. >> the trump. >> voters who do. not want an interventionist. >> foreign policy. >> is that. >> what they voted for? >> i think that even donald trump's hold on his base is not that. >> strong. >> where deploying. >> american troops. >> to occupy. and seize gaza. >> that might even be. >> a bridge too far. >> for those voters. >> it is just an. idea that logistically and financially. morally is completely stupid. >> and you have to admire that. >> donald trump, for whatever reason. >> he said this. >> let's hope that it's. >> just a trial. >> balloon to distract from elon musk. >> absorbing all of his headlines. >> he is shameless and he doesn't mind putting out such a

preposterous, toxic. >> idea when. >> it is just. completely not feasible. >> in. >> terms of our national. >> debt and in terms of the american public and. >> their tolerance for. >> another war. >> well, peter, let's talk about the politics of this, because it would. seem to be, you know, it's just pointed out the opposite of everything trump has campaigned on or said he believed in for a long time, extricating the us from the middle east, saving money. and yet, while democrats seem stunned, some republicans seem to at least be trying to get on board. take a listen. this is an extraordinarily dangerous approach for the president to take, and not consistent with american values. >> is it different? and is he thinking outside the box? absolutely. does that mean that other. people are going to start coming up with ideas about how we can find a peaceful solution? i hope. >> so. >> i'm not sure whether. >> this was off the cuff or. a strategy, but. in either.

>> case. >> i think. it actually sets back the cause of peace. >> in that region. >> we're trying to get the details of it, but i think this is a good development. we have to back israel 100%. and so whatever form that takes, we're interested in having that discussion. but it's it was a surprising development, but i think it's one that we'll applaud. >> i have to say that's something that we hear often, peter, from republicans. we'll have to get the details of it. but how do you see this playing out politically? >> well. >> you know, i mean, look. >> there are some republicans who are questioning senator. >> rand paul, who's always. >> been an. >> anti-interventionist has tweeted out that the united states has no business contemplating another occupation in middle east. and actually, to lee's point. >> about. >> you know, iraq and my own mention of that in the story, i would add. >> that there is even a difference there. even with iraq, the. >> united states goal was to help them. >> build a democracy of their own, reconstruct it, and then get out to. leave the country to them. what trump is talking about here, by the way, is

owning it lock, stock and barrel for the united states and not allowing the palestinians to come back. they're not going in there to reconstruct it and rebuild it for the palestinians to have a place to live. he says he wants to make. >> it a mecca for anybody who wants to live there. >> not for the palestinians. so it's a big. >> difference even there. but it is an extraordinary. >> suggestion. >> one i don't think is going to play well with even republicans who don't want to be part of nation building. there is. an exhaustion factor. after 20 years. >> in the. post nine. >> over 11, you know, america. intervention around the world. >> and remember, america first is supposed to be about. spending money here at home. we don't want to give money to ukraine, according to trump. >> and his. >> allies. >> because we think. >> that money is better spent here. well, that's a lot of money he's now talking about. spending will be tens. >> of billions of dollars, presumably, maybe even much more, depending on how it's structured in gaza, where. >> i think most americans. >> just. assume not, you know, have a lot. >> of interest. >> and then there's the whole question of the military. when asked if u.s. troops could be involved, the president said,

quote, if it's necessary, we'll do that. i mean, we should note the rome statute. all right. caroline levitz being asked about this at the press briefing room. let's go live. >> entanglements, nation. >> building. >> sending american troops to fight abroad, particularly in the middle east. this plan seems. >> like. >> it. >> could ultimately. >> involve all of those things. >> can you. >> explain this. reversal and how building and owning gaza squares with america first. >> foreign policy? >> i would reject the premise of your question that this forces the united states to be entangled in conflicts abroad. the president has not committed to putting boots on the ground in gaza. he has also said that the united states is not going to pay for the rebuilding. >> of gaza. >> his administration is going to work with our partners in the region to reconstruct this region. and let me just take a step back here, because this is an out of the box idea. >> that's who. >> president trump is. >> that's why the american people elected him. and his goal is lasting peace in the middle

east for all people in the region. >> and as i. said in my. >> opening remarks, we've had the same people. pushing the same. solutions to this problem for decades, and it's been very made very. >> clear to the president. that the. >> united states needs to be involved in this rebuilding effort to ensure stability in the region for all people. but that does not mean boots on the ground in gaza. it does not mean american taxpayers will be funding this effort. it means donald trump, who is the best deal maker on the planet, is going to strike a deal with our partners in the region. >> he did not rule. out american. >> troops in gaza last night. >> are you. >> doing. >> that now? >> i am saying that the president has not committed to that just yet. he has not made that commitment and you know that. >> and on the foreign partners, the jordanians, the egyptians, the saudis have already panned this plan. what foreign partners, if any, have expressed any interest in being part. >> of this? >> well, the president has said he's been pushing this idea for quite some time. he's been thinking about this. he said in his remarks last night. this was not a decision or. >> an announcement.

>> that he takes lightly. and the president has already spoken to. >> the president. >> al-sisi. in fact, that was his. >> first foreign. >> leader call. he's meeting with the king of jordan, king abdullah, next week. he spoke with the king of bahrain. he spoke with the crown prince of saudi arabia. and he has made it very clear, he's been very vocal that he expects our partners in the region, particularly egypt and jordan, to accept palestinian refugees temporarily so that we can rebuild their home. i'd like to show you some images of gaza that were taken at fox news aired this. i mean, that is, as they put it, an apocalyptic scene in gaza. this is an uninhabitable place for human beings. do you really think that that families can live their dream in a region that looks like this, with no running water, no electricity? and the special envoy to the president, steve witkoff, recently traveled to gaza, as you all know, and he came back with images that he showed the president of the dire situation here. and the president made

this decision with a humanitarian heart for all people in the region. >> peter. thank you. caroline, are any officials. here preparing to fight democratic lawmakers. >> in. >> the streets? >> absolutely not. >> so thanks for the question. >> some elected. >> democrats are so steamed about doge. congresswoman lamonica mciver. >> says we are at war. >> ilhan omar says we might actually. see somebody get killed. and chris van hollen says we have to fight this in the congress. we have to fight this. >> in the streets. so what now? >> and may. >> i just point out. >> if you heard that type of violent, enticing rhetoric from our side of the aisle from republican leaders on capitol hill, i think there would be a lot more outrage in this room today. it's unacceptable. the comments that have been made by these democrat leaders, and frankly, they don't even know what they're talking about because president trump was elected with a mandate from the american people to make this government more efficient. he campaigned across this country with elon musk vowing that elon

was going to head up the department of government efficiency and the two of them, with a great team around them, were going to look at the receipts of this federal government and ensure it's accountable to american taxpayers. that's all that is happening here. and for democrat officials to incite violence and encourage americans to take to the streets is incredibly alarming, and they should be held accountable for that rhetoric. >> it sounds like something that they're most. concerned about is doge engineers with access to treasury systems. >> can you clarify? do the doge. engineers have read. >> only access in these systems so they are not. allowed to write. >> new code? they are not. >> okay. and then one. >> more thing. >> nbc is reporting that some of the illegal. >> immigrants that. >> we've seen. >> rounded up and arrested are. >> not being deported. they're being released. with ankle or. >> wrist monitoring devices. >> or they have. >> to check in. on the phone. >> so is the administration. >> arresting more. people than you have room for? >> i have seen the reports, and i'm glad you brought it up

because we want to address it. there have been a total of 461 illegal aliens. this is of this morning when i got this information from dhs that have been released from custody. of the more than 8000 that have been arrested since president trump was inaugurated, it's less than 6%. and there are reasons for their release. some of the factors include a lack of significant likelihood of removal in the foreseeable future, lack of detention availability, which is something this president and this administration has been incredibly vocal about. we are doing everything we can to deport and detain illegal immigrants, but we need congress's help to increase funding for border patrol and for ice to increase detention capability in our facilities. and then other serious medical conditions have also been the reasons for some of the release of these individuals, but none of them have final deportation orders. many of them are probably contesting their immigration status. i'd refer you to dhs for more details, but i did get that information because i knew it would be a question. so thank you. sure.

yes. the president and you here again today have made. >> clear, given the. >> devastation, you think. >> palestinians have no. >> choice but. to leave. >> gaza and. >> go elsewhere. >> but palestinians say this is their home. they don't want. >> to go. >> the president last night said he's willing to use the military if necessary. is the us prepared. >> to. >> remove palestinians from gaza by force? >> the president is prepared to rebuild gaza for palestinians and all people in the region. peace loving people who want real economic development and opportunity in the region. this is a region that has been controlled by iranian backed terrorists, hamas, who have brutalized not just israelis, but palestinians too. it is because of hamas that you see those images on that screen that gaza has become a demolition site because hamas launched that brutal attack on israel on october the 7th. and so, again, i would stress, president trump wants to ensure that this can be a place where all people can live in peace. he is a peacemaker in chief. he made that very clear in his first term. and as for how that will

be accomplished, the president and his team are talking with our allies in the region to consider next steps. but should the american people be prepared to see. >> us military. >> on the ground fighting. >> a ground war against hamas? >> again, the president has not committed to us troops in the region, but it is an option. i have said that the president has not committed to that yet. >> sure. >> i can. >> just follow up on that, though. why not rule out the idea of committing u.s. troops? this has been a long standing argument. >> this is an important point that that caroline leavitt is trying to put in words that are not the president's, frankly, because he was asked very specifically about it last night whether or not it would mean that u.s. troops would go into gaza. and this is what he said as far as gaza is concerned, we'll do what is necessary. if it's necessary, we'll do that. we're going to take over the place and we're going to develop it. so while he may not have said we're sending in boots on the ground now, he certainly

said that we're going to do it if it's necessary and we're going to take over the place. she also looked at what she called the apocalyptic scene on the ground in gaza. there is no doubt about the devastation there. as you heard richard engel report, about half of the buildings there have been destroyed. apocalyptic scene is also a phrase that has been used repeatedly in recent weeks to describe what happened as a result of wildfires in california. it's a phrase that is often used to describe the aftermath of a community hit by a tornado. >> so if. >> apocalyptic scene is the baseline for the us government, going in and taking land, there may be some questions about that as well. she also said the president was elected with a mandate. again, donald trump won, but he did not win with a majority of voters in the united states. let's bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez, who is live in

washington. the press secretary, again rejecting the idea, gabe, that this could entangle the u.s. in gaza. this is certainly a reversal of what the president said was america first. but at least listening to caroline leavitt, they see it differently. >> yeah. >> that's right, chris, it's certainly an understatement. you mentioned that the president suggested going in and taking part, taking the gaza strip, not just taking the land, but also presumably somehow displacing the 2 million or so people that that live there. now. caroline leavitt went on to call this a quote out of the box idea. she says the administration's goal is a lasting peace. still, it seems hard to it's hard to see how this announcement might play in terms of a lasting peace, in terms of the ongoing ceasefire talks, the hostage negotiations, the reaction we've already seen from hamas and other middle east leaders. so she was also pressed on the president saying that he

had spoken with other leaders through the region and that they had seemed supportive of the idea. you notice when she responded, she mentioned that the president had spoken with the president. president trump had spoken with the president of egypt, al-sisi. he's also meeting with king abdullah in the next few days. but she did not specifically say that any of those those leaders actually supported this proposal. chris. so, certainly, a lot of questions, as this press briefing is still underway. she as you pointed out, she said that the president did not commit to boots on the ground. you just played or you just quoted the president as saying that he would go in if necessary. but today, the white house press secretary trying to make the case that the administration doesn't want to send troops there, they haven't committed to send troops there, despite what the president said. also, one more thing, chris. on another topic, she was also asked about nbc news reporting earlier in the week that the trump administration had

released a certain amount of the immigrant undocumented immigrants that ice had rounded up and had arrested since the crackdown on illegal immigration began. she did confirm the nbc news reporting, making the case that so far, the administration has released 6% of the undocumented immigrants that it that it has arrested. chris. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so much. and gabe and others will continue to listen in to the press briefing by caroline leavitt. if news is made, we will have that for you. but still to come, why donald trump's infamous sharpie gate moment showing a hurricane path that did not exist is back in that did not exist is back in the news again. [♪♪] are you one of the millions of americans who suffer from an upset stomach after a big meal? try pepto bismol. unlike some products, pepto coats and soothes your digestive system, to provide fast 5-symptom relief. stock up on pepto today. - i got the cabin for three days. it's gonna be sweet!

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just in the past year. peter baker is back with us. so, peter, give us some more background on neil jacobs. and he had that role, of course, in the sharpiegate scandal. >> right. >> well, during the hurricane, dorian, the president at the time, trump predicted that it might hit. >> alabama and a local meteorologist working for noaa. in alabama put out a tweet saying. >> no, don't worry about it. it's not going to hit alabama. >> just trying to. >> do his job. try not to panic. >> the public. >> but trump took that very badly, very offended that anybody would dare to contradict him. and he held up the map that you're seeing there. and you can see on the left side of that map. >> a dark. >> black line around the, you know. >> the possible path. >> of the hurricane showing it. possibly hitting in alabama. that line. >> was. >> drawn with a sharpie by the president, not by scientists who were predicting. its actual. >> path because he was trying. >> to demonstrate. >> that he was right and the scientists were wrong. and neil jacobs, who was then the acting head of noaa, backed him up, put out a statement saying that the

forecast put out by the alabama meteorologist was wrong. >> and in fact, backing up the president's. slapdown of the scientists. >> so while. >> a lot of people have respect. >> for jacobs. >> and his. >> scientific background. his resume. >> i think he is. >> qualified for. >> the job. they find it troubling that he was so willing. >> to bend. the facts. >> and bend. >> the science. >> as the meteorologist saw it, to fit the president's political needs. >> peter, if climate extremes keep hitting home, we know, and we're already starting to see some of the results of this, right? the displacement in california that i just talked about, insurance premiums, whether or not you're in an area that's been hit, have been going up. if you start to need more ac, that there are lots of ways in which everyday americans will feel the pain. the question is, will there be any pain from deciding to do things like get out of the paris climate agreement, or roll back some of the regulations put in place at the epa?

>> yeah, and i think noaa has been a part of this. and one reason why the trump administration is targeting noaa and maybe. >> targeting noaa. >> is because it is seen. as an agency that has been. >> promoting concern about and solutions for climate change. in fact, the project 25 project 2025 document. >> developed by a lot of conservative trump allies that has seemed to be kind of a blueprint for much of what they have done, singled out noaa as one of the, quote, you know, chief. >> sources of climate change. >> alarmism and. >> therefore call for. >> it to basically. >> be dismantled. >> so this is an agency that is on the target list because it has been an agency concerned. >> with climate change. >> and that represents, of course, the values and the priorities. >> of the new administration. >> which believes. >> that climate. >> change, as the president has said, is a hoax and is just an. >> effort to. >> destroy the. >> american economy and. >> and not something that the united. >> states should be. >> taking as seriously as the past. administration did. >> peter baker, always good to

have you on the show, peter. thank you. well, today, republicans on the house oversight committee quickly quashed an effort by democrats to subpoena elon musk for his unprecedented attempts to shut down agencies across the us government. nbc news reports that the white house is reminding him that his power is not unchecked, with aides to the president signaling behind the scenes that musk still reports to the white house chief of staff, siouxsie wiles. but democrats are clearly alarmed. >> who elected. >> elon musk to anything? >> what? >> elon musk. >> is doing. >> is illegal. only an act of congress can eliminate usaid, because congress is who created usaid. >> the assaults of. >> elon musk. >> and donald trump. >> and his billionaires and the energy executives is not an accident. they want to gut these efforts to. make money, to make profit. >> we will not cooperate.

>> let's bring in democratic congresswoman debbie dingell from michigan. it's good to have you back on the program. and there is a lot of alarm, and there's a lot of talk, concern, conversations about illegality. but what can democrats in congress actually and successfully do besides talk about it and raise the alarm? well. >> chris. >> first of all, i. >> think that people do care. about their data and their privacy. >> i know. young people. >> have a different perspective than. >> maybe some. >> that are. >> more seasoned, but as each day we find out, i. >> mean, i had heard this. earlier this week. >> he. has access. >> to all of the information at the office of personnel management. >> every government. >> worker. their social security. >> numbers, their address. >> now he has the payment. >> system, every social security number. >> what taxes. >> people have earned and their health. >> care information. he has been. >> there. >> for weeks getting. >> medicare, etc. >> the constitution guarantees.

>> people a. >> right to. >> their privacy. >> that we should. >> not be giving billionaires and big tech the kind of access that they've gotten. and as people. learn what kind. >> of information. >> is being gathered. >> collected and. >> tracked and manipulated by billionaires, they are concerned. >> we're going to see litigation. you've seen. >> a lot. of six. >> already, court suits. >> that have put stays on things. et cetera. you're going to see legislation. and by the way, we're going to they're going to do privilege motions. >> republicans are going. >> to have. >> to vote. >> on the record. >> and you have to keep the education. >> and advocacy. >> program going. >> as well. well, speaker mike johnson seems unclear about what can and cannot be done. take a listen to what he said. >> does trump have the authority to shut down government agencies without congress? >> yes or no? >> if it's. >> not that simple, because if there are executive. branch agencies, if there are executive branch agencies, the executive is in charge of them. congress

funds them. but there are important, you know, questions to be asked about all the parameters of that. so i don't have. >> all the answers. >> i don't have all the answers. so, congresswoman, are there questions in your mind about congress's role in something like shutting down or gutting usaid? >> not only usaid. we're expecting. >> any minute. >> we've been hearing. >> he's going to try to eliminate the department of education that's established by. >> an act. >> of congress. our forefathers. >> when they founded this democracy, had three. branches of government, a system of checks. >> and balances. and our. >> responsibility in the legislative branch is to. put a check. >> on the. >> executive branch. and no, he cannot. he is not king. he is not a dictator. he cannot sign an executive order and do away with what congress has established. >> i'm clear on that. >> you're going to see litigation, you're going to see legislation. and we will get people on the record to vote for this. >> and i hope the american. >> people will get. >> their members to be. republican members, because

democrats don't approve of this on record saying. >> do you really think this. >> is. >> okay to have my data? do you really. want to eliminate what's going to happen to our schools, make classes larger, and eliminating the department of education. >> if he ends up doing that? well, i mean, there is some people have pointed out a question of urgency here because you can disassemble something very quickly. we've already seen, for example, that about 20,000 people, maybe more, have said they're going to take a buyout, in spite of the fact that it's unclear to a lot of folks whether or not they're going to where the money is going to come from to pay them out, and then legislation, law takes time. even if the republicans were willing to do something, which i haven't heard any of them suggest that they would. and legal cases take time. so should there be a concern that a lot could go away, a lot could happen, a lot could change, and rebuilding it,

if that's ultimately what happens, will be a much longer and very expensive process. i mean, can democrats afford to stand back and say, let's see how the legal process goes out. let's see if constituents start to get angry. >> we can't. >> stand back. we have to have we got to look. >> here's mike. >> right now. >> donald trump is creating total chaos. and chaos exists out there. and everybody wants to make sure nobody can focus on one thing. we have. >> to. >> focus on the. >> big issues. when he put out. >> the opm freeze and you saw. head start, meals on wheels and programs. >> across the country. >> frozen people spoke up. that was retracted when he put tariffs that were going to increase the prices of everyday goods. i believe in tariffs, by the way. i think tariffs are a tool in the toolbox, but not across the board that are going to immediately increase consumer prices. litigation can get immediate stays and say you cannot do this while this is going through the courts. but frankly, the fastest thing we can do is the litigation

strategy. but we also have to try to legislate. we got to. >> educate. >> and people on the ground have to make. >> their voices heard. if they are worried that they don't want someone having their personal record, medical records and being able to use that somehow. so it really is a combination of litigation, legislation, education and communication. congresswoman debbie dingell, a very busy time on capitol hill. thanks for taking the time to talk to us. thank you. and still ahead, the manhunt is over. authorities catch the suspect in a mass shooting at an ohio warehouse. what we know about that attack and the person taken that attack and the person taken in upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. everywhere but the seat. the seat is leather. the power of nature. alan, we get it. you love your bike. we do, too. that's why we're america's number-one motorcycle insurer. but do you have to wedge it into everything?

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>> an intense manhunt has come to an end in ohio after police captured a suspect in the warehouse shooting that killed one and injured five people last night. nbc's maggie vespa is live in new albany, ohio, which is a suburb of columbus. maggie, what do we know about this suspect and how this attack unfolded? well, chris, the. >> suspect has. >> now been. charged with aggravated murder. >> his name, according. >> to authorities, is bruce. reginald foster, the third. and it was just this morning. >> that they confirmed he is indeed or was indeed an employee at this cosmetics manufacturing plant behind me. cdk1. you see his photo there? we'll start with how this unfolded. it was around 1020 last night that local authorities say they got calls. multiple 911 calls from inside this building. keep in mind, this is a huge plant.

hundreds of people work here. but a flood of calls coming in. some, according to our team who's been sifting through recordings of these calls. some of them came from people who said they themselves had been shot, and they were pleading with authorities and first responders to get there as soon as possible because they were afraid about just, frankly, how bad their wounds were. it was pretty quickly that. authorities realized this was what they later called. a targeted attack, meaning an employee unleashing gunfire on his own colleagues and his own workplace. here's part of the dispatch audio that we heard that kind of came in as this is all unfolding. >> sounds like it could be an active. >> shooter situation. >> you know, 59. >> is advising. >> they do. >> know the suspect is. >> in. >> the warehouse portion. >> of the building. >> okay. >> so we're confirming that the scene is not secure. >> all right. so once again, that was around 1020 last night. what we know after that, of course. >> is that. >> we had this massive 12 hour, almost 12 hours on the dot manhunt really fanning out across ohio. >> we're in. >> a suburb right now of

columbus. and overnight, basically, authorities couldn't find this guy. we just in the last couple of hours got it confirmed that u.s. marshals around 1030 this morning. so again, about 12 hours later made an arrest of foster. they arrested foster inside an apartment building on the edge of ohio state university's campus. this is basically off campus housing for students, mostly students inside that building. that's about a little over 20 miles from here. we're still working to learn more details, and we expect more from authorities later this afternoon. but u.s. marshals telling our affiliate nbc4 in columbus that that was. >> not foster's. >> home, that they made the address, made the arrest at, but they said they couldn't tell us right now what exactly his connection was to that building. chris, suffice it to say, after all the horror that was unleashed here last night, a huge sigh of relief. but that arrest has been made. send it back to you, maggie. >> vespa. thank you. and coming up, families and doctors take the trump administration to

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secretary caroline leavitt said just moments ago that the department of education would be enforcing this ban, even though sources tell nbc news that the white house is preparing another executive order to actually eliminate that department. today's move fulfills a promise that trump made throughout his campaign, and coincides with national girls and women in sports day. meantime, the aclu is representing members of the transgender community who are suing over trump's executive orders targeting gender affirming care for anyone under 19 and proclaiming that the u.s. will only recognize two sexes, male and female. joining me now, one of the aclu's lawyers, senior staff attorney at the lgbt and hiv project. harper. selden. harper, it's good to see you. what do you see as the impact on the transgender community? what happens when trans youth cannot obtain this type of care? >> well, look. >> first, it's. >> important to say that this is part.

>> of a systematic. >> attack by the. >> trump administration on. >> transgender people. >> not just youth, but. >> people of. >> all ages, in every aspect of life. >> in workplaces. >> in passports, in. sports fields, and now in their very doctors offices. >> so this is about. >> whether or. >> not parents. >> and their. >> kids and their doctors and even people who are 18 years old can make. >> the medical decisions. >> that are right for them. >> or if president trump is going to come into the exam room and tell them what kind of care they can get. >> well, today, new york's attorney general, letitia james, along with 13 other attorneys general, issued a joint statement saying they will continue to enforce state laws that provide access to gender affirming care in states where such enforcement authority exists, and we will challenge any unlawful effort by the trump administration to restrict access to it in our jurisdictions. however, on the other side, 26 states have already restricted gender affirming care for minors or banned it outright. polls show americans are deeply divided on the issue. so where does that

leave the trans community? and with so many challenges, is it likely to remain unclear or divided state by state until, i don't know, maybe it ends up in the supreme court. what do you think? >> well, first. i'd say it's clear that president trump has. >> exceeded his authority under the constitution by trying to usurp. the role of congress in dictating what conditions apply to grants, which is part of the origin of the lawsuit that we just filed with respect to medical care. >> and i do think that the. >> that eventually the courts have asked the court to weigh in on an emergency basis in our lawsuit so that health care can get restarted quickly. we're grateful to state attorneys general who are making. >> clear that president. >> trump can't change federal law, and he also can't change. state law in terms of obligations to protect transgender. non-binary and intersex people. >> the pace of donald trump's executive actions has been staggering. how does the aclu keep up? i mean, how many lawsuits are you prepared to file? i mean, you know, if you try to have a little levity, people say, you know, this is

the lawyers full employment act. but the truth of the matter is, with so many controversial orders being signed so fast, is it possible to keep up? >> you know. >> i think. >> the aclu. >> and. >> our other movement partners are ready to meet this moment. >> look. >> part of this strategy. >> is to. >> create overwhelm. >> and fear and have people's lives become smaller. and that's not what we're about at the aclu. that's not what we in the trans community are about. this is about. >> people being able. >> to live their fullest lives. and so the aclu and many others are ready to make sure that can happen. >> harper selden, thanks so much for coming on the program. >> thank you for having me. >> and coming up, lawmakers react to donald trump's proposal to take over gaza with one foreign relations committee democrat now saying, quote, that's insane. so what are republicans saying about it? we'll head to capitol hill. but first, this quick programing note, because tonight, former administrator of the u.s. agency for international development, samantha power, joins my colleague rachel maddow. be sure to catch tonight at 9 p.m.

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