that i think are about to come under the microscope. the department of education, which our colleague yamiche alcindor and others reported yesterday, is on the chopping block as an agency to potentially be closed by this president. he wants to see elon musk and his team look quite closely there, and also the department of defense. and that's significant. the department of defense is the biggest chunk of the federal budget. that is what's called discretionary spending. it would be the sort of the deepest well to dig, if you are really serious about cutting federal spending, except in answer to my question, saying elon musk and his company will not be touching social security and medicare. that was a campaign promise of the president not to cut those programs. and what he seems committed to keeping in this context. >> chris garrett hake in the east room of the white house. thank you. that's going to do it for us this hour. our coverage continues with katy tur reports next. >> good to. >> be with you. i'm katy tur. >> on the issue.

>> of social. >> security and medicare. >> the president. >> said. >> he didn't say he's not going. >> to touch it. he said he will only strengthen it. >> and that leaves. >> a lot of room for interpretation. >> we're going. >> to get. into that. >> and some other news. >> out of that news conference in a moment. >> but first we. >> want. >> to talk. >> bigger and more broadly, hostile takeovers of federal. >> agencies. >> hiring freezes and. >> legally questionable buyout offers. >> to millions. >> of government employees withdrawing from the paris climate accords, scrubbing. gender ideology. >> and dei. initiatives from. >> the federal sphere, withdrawing from the world health organization, using the military at the border, freezing foreign aid, restricting federal funding on abortion through the hyde amendment. all of it, and so much more, was laid out in project 2025, the conservative plan of action for a trump second term that donald trump himself repeatedly tried to claim he knew nothing about during his campaign. >> i don't know what the hell it

is. it's project 25. he's involved in project, and then they read some of the things and they are extreme. i mean, they're seriously extreme, but i don't know anything about it. i don't want to know anything about it, as you know. and as she knows better than anyone, i have nothing to do with project 2025 that's out there. i haven't read it. i don't want to read it purposely. i'm not going to read it. this was a group of people that got together. they came up with some ideas, i guess. some good, some bad, but it makes no difference. i have nothing to do. >> are you changing your mind about project 2025? is this now the policy blueprint for the second trump administration? >> some people, if you take a look at the group, it was hundreds of people were involved. and i was actually i reprimanded the whole group. i said, you shouldn't have placed this document in front of the voters, because i have nothing to do with it. and i'm the one that's running. >> oh. >> well. >> as it's becoming clear, that wasn't exactly true, let's look at what could come next and consider the one variable that

project 2025 didn't include and is likely now applauding elon musk. joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell and staff writer at the new yorker, susan glasser. all right, kelly, there was just a big news conference, and donald trump hit on a bit of what he's allowing elon musk to do, the authority he's given elon musk. walk us through it, please. well, one of the striking things is that he is fully embracing elon musk and the team that musk has assembled, who have been described broadly as very young engineers and tech savvy individuals who are getting into the systems and looking for what the president likes to tout, or at least call out as waste, fraud and abuse. what is unclear is what specific subject knowledge musk or his team have about this. if they are able to access a dollar amount line items, however they're into the system, they are shutting things

down or reviewing things and then advising the president on what what should go. we've already seen that with the usaid, the president very clearly today saying the department of education is a target for which musk has his full authority. and then the defense department, certainly, musk and his professional life has high level clearance, knows a lot about satellites and other types of. i apparently have lost audio, as you've just. now seen. we all. >> lost audio. >> kelly o'donnell with a. >> a connection issue. way to start. >> the show. >> all right. >> lisa, i'm going to try to get back. >> on track with you. >> hopefully i can hear you across. the table. >> that's what i'm here for. >> okay. so there's a lot of questions about the legal authority. >> that. doge has. >> and elon musk has and questions of whether donald trump can just grant him that authority. but there are also questions of transparency. it's not exactly clear what elon musk is doing in any of these

agencies, what he's getting into, what his aims are. how do you figure. out what's going on? how does the american public get clarity on that? >> well, i think part of it is through lawsuits, and the other part is through something we haven't yet seen, which are whistleblowers. the lawsuits are designed to sort of flush out through department of justice representations, what exactly it is that doge is trying to do. so, for example, when groups sue the treasury department saying elon musk doesn't have the authority to access treasury payment management systems through a couple of employees at doge, that puts the onus back on the department of justice as the representative for executive branch employees and agencies to say what exactly it is that they are trying to do, or what access they want and why. but, kitty, the other part of this, as i said, lays in the hands of current employees being willing to tell people like you and me what it is that they're seeing. and we've seen reporting over the last week about people who literally tried to bar doge employees from coming in the door to the bureau of fiscal

services, for example, at the department of treasury. we know that they have tried to barge their way in at the department of education, at the department of labor, at a number of other agencies. those people theoretically are in a position to see what it is that elon musk's folks from doge are trying to do through their access to data, but some of that may not even be transparent to them. the reason musk has these folks is because they supposedly have a degree of computing sophistication that these federal agencies lack, and are trying to put the data into other places where they can run algorithms and the like to ascertain what is going on in some of these programs. >> so when we look at project 2025 and susan, i'll give this one to you. it is a conservative blueprint for a second donald trump term. we've seen donald trump implement a number of the suggestions from project 25 2025 through executive order. but there's also been a step father that's been taken on those initiatives, because elon musk seems to have authority that i think nobody even imagined

possible, that any one person would be granted that much access inside the federal government. but just to go back on on the aims of project 2025 here, i've called it a conservative document, but can you flesh that out? can you tell me what this intends to do to this country? >> yeah. >> i mean, look. >> katie. >> it. >> is a culmination of. >> a. >> decades long radical. >> project to. >> essentially have the dismantling or as steve bannon would put it, the deconstruction of the administrative state. you know, the sort of republican ideology, certainly elements of the far right have been at war, in essence, with the idea, the very idea of an expansive federal government role in many areas of our collective life and certainly of our commercial life for decades. in some ways, this is, you know, a blueprint and a wish list for all of those things pulled together, both the conservative business dreams of

deregulating many industries combined with, you know, far right christian nationalist ideas. so it's almost, you know, a handbook for it's the everything book for. conservative ideologues. and, you know, donald trump may not, you know, choose to do. >> everything in it. >> it's something like close to a thousand pages. but, you know, i have to say to me, we're no longer in this gotcha game. did donald. trump lie about project 2025? yes he did. okay. yes he did. what's happening now with astonishing speed and rapidity, is that he has unleashed the richest man in the world on an agenda. we don't know where it comes from. some of it is convergent with project 2025. some of it seems to be what elon musk read on twitter, for example, neither he nor donald trump ever mentioned usaid in the 2024 campaign, right? donald trump didn't campaign and say that he was going to eliminate all foreign aid. elon musk wasn't talking about that at the campaign rallies he appeared at. he appears to have started

tweeting about it in december when he was alerted to it by somebody else. so again, it's the lack of transparency. as lisa pointed out. >> it's also. >> the lack of congress doing their job. congress has a role here. if it was functioning the way that our founders envisioned, they also would be getting information and there would be accountability from what's going on in their oversight function of the executive branch not happening. there would be an effort for them to stand up and say, it is illegal for you to dismantle an agency that has been passed into law, that's budget has been authorized and appropriated by congress. but the republican controlled congress is not playing the role right now that the founders envisioned. >> on the issue of what republicans used to believe in. and i know this is kind of a tired conversation, but i think it's worth pointing out this one aspect of it, which is federalism. i mean, donald trump is now taking executive orders. he's done dozens of them to try and remake the entire country in the image of his administration, including getting into individual states and trying to

trying to assert authority over the way these states function. it used to be that republicans found that anathema do not get into a state's business. it's the argument they made for bringing abortion back to the states. it's a states issue. but but this is not happening, susan, and republicans are not speaking up about it. steve bannon, in an interview with the new york times and one of the articles today, talked about how surprised he was that republicans have just let donald trump run roughshod over federalism. >> yeah, i think that's exactly right. so many pillars of what we used to think of as kind of core republican ideology have been reversed or simply ignored by donald trump. and certainly the argument that there should be a weak federal power and a strong decentralized state power that has been at the core of what we associate with the modern republican party. interestingly, katie, now, not only do you see many democrats making that argument or leaning

into that argument, but i've noticed that in the lawsuits that have greeted some of these executive overreach actions by donald trump at the beginning of his tenure, what you see is essentially two different americas, and you have the democratic attorneys general of states that have democratic leaderships filing lawsuits and as a collective. right. so you had, i think, 22 or 23 democratic attorneys general on the lawsuit against the birthright citizenship executive order, for example. and then you have republican attorney generals in red states being absolutely silent when donald trump attempts to override their laws and norms and regulations. >> lisa. >> everything that you and susan are talking about right now has me nodding my head and vigorous assent, because the lawsuit that we saw the department of justice bring earlier this week against the city of chicago and cook county, illinois. that is entirely about a school of thought that i'll call federalist maximus. right. which

is like the federal government takes precedent over anything else that states do not have any control over their own laws, and therefore, they're going to say the federal government wiped the field clean. with respect to immigration, there is no room for a state, locality or city government to make laws saying that they will not, for example, give assistance to immigration officials by handing over information or being involved in the transfer of custody from one state or city to ice officials. this, as you said, totally anathema to everything that they have been saying for years and years, but also anathema to what the supreme court said when it overturned roe versus wade, which is that it is time to let the people and their representatives decide which many understood as code, for it's time to send this issue back to the states. if doj is going to take that position in an immigration case that the supremacy clause wipes the field clean of states and localities ability to regulate themselves, why can't they do it? with

respect to abortion? i would tell you, katie. now i'll predict that they will say exactly that in some way, shape or form when it comes to abortion rights in the next coming years. >> you know, susan, is it is it too much to question whether the supreme court might hand donald trump over more authority in the executive and whether at the end of this four years, this country will be fundamentally different? >> i believe that. >> it's already changed in a very significant way in a very short period of time, you know, before the election. you know, i know we're not in a recriminations phase, but, you know, that was always the risk is that trump was proposing a maximalist transformation of the country. and in an election decided by a lot of people who weren't necessarily fully understanding of what that agenda meant. and, you know, it's much easier to establish facts on the ground and then let the courts maybe roll it back, or maybe not. but i would point out that when you shut down an

agency like usaid and as of midnight tonight, i believe more than 10,000 employees around the world on the sole order of elon musk and donald trump are being let go. it's not going to be easy. let's just say that the courts and congress somehow get this restarted. it's not it's like turning the electricity back in iraq in another disastrous american government takeover. it wasn't you couldn't just turn the electricity back on. and it took years. and you know, it in some ways never fully snapped back. and i think what we're seeing right now is an extraordinary effort to create new facts on the ground that the legacy of which will be with us for a long time right now. elon musk. quote unquote, buyout offer to federal government employees. it's been delayed until monday by a federal judge. but you're talking about tens of thousands of federal employees who are already signaling that they're going to accept this offer and leave their employment. i personally spoken with, you

know, prosecutors at the justice department who've served more than three decades, served this country in public service, who are considering leaving very soon. you're not going to get that expertise back. these are nonpartizan civil servants that are being driven out of the government by the tens of thousands. >> yeah, the brain drain is what folks are worried about. and yeah, the federal government doesn't have a lot of fans in this country maybe not understanding what exactly the federal government does or who is in the federal government. but once you break it, you got to fix it, and it might prove hard to fix, as susan, you laid out so well, remembering what was happening in baghdad all those years ago. and in your most recent piece, susan glasser. lisa rubin, thank you very much. kelly o'donnell. thank you as well. i hope you got your your bugs sorted out out there. still ahead, despite the white house saying a federal funding freeze would not impact its programs, head start says it's been unable to access money allocated for its its expenses. the deputy director joins us

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only in theaters february 28th. >> despite a federal judge blocking the trump administration's federal funding freeze, critical programs say they still can't access their funds, including one that the white house says should never have been impacted in the first place. the national head start association reports that more than 45 head start programs in 23 states, which provide child care and preschool education to 20,000 low income children, have been unable to access previously approved federal funding for the last week. now, without that access, those programs are at risk of having to close their doors in a matter of days. joining us now, national head start association deputy director tommy sheridan. thanks for being here with us. who are the kids that are going to be impacted? >> yeah. >> katie, thanks for having. >> me and covering this. >> the children that we're talking about. >> are really. >> the children and families that face some of the most significant barriers to.

achieving success in, in school and in life. >> you know, they. >> really. >> rely on the stability and support. >> that. >> head start provides to them. and these are kids and families who are experiencing homelessness, who are part of the foster care system, who are eligible due to income and, and disability to be served. and so really, the kids and families that, that that again, really need that stability and support that head. start provides. >> where are these kids? >> everywhere across the country. you know, i think you cited a number of 46 number. that number has actually changed. this is an ongoing story. it's changing literally by the by the hour. the latest numbers that we just pulled is that we're hearing from 37 head start grant recipients. so trending in the right direction that are still having trouble accessing the funds. and that is in 20 states plus the district of columbia and puerto rico. >> is this just blue states where it's happening? >> no, this is not no. it's at this point. it is, it is, it is it is all all states across the country. we've seen this number go up to about 27 states back down a little bit. and it's not

the thing about head start. head start is a federal to local funded program. so the resources that the federal government provides actually go directly into individual communities. that's what helps us address really the specific needs of individual communities and the specific needs of children and families. so when we're talking about the impact of this, we're talking about this coming very substantially on on the kids and families that that need these services the most. >> i wonder, have you gotten an answer from the administration about where this money is and why it's still frozen? >> yeah. so it's i actually wouldn't characterize it that it's frozen, it's complicated. and that's that's and confusing. and that's the unfortunate thing at this point. you know, we have heard that this issue is, is again, not directly connected to the freeze, but it is it is it is also indirectly connected to the to the freeze. last week. we're not hearing directly from the administration on this, but have heard via congress who's been in touch with the

administration that this issue is a result of too many grant recipients, head start and other hhs programs, health and human services programs that last tuesday sought to draw down funds from the system, called the payment management services. the pms. and everybody really attempted to draw funds down right away from from this service. early tuesday morning of last week. as a result, that that the system wasn't prepared for, that it shut down so many individual programs had requested. and i don't mean just head start again, this is all of hhs had requested basically more funds than they should have been requesting as, as as they were likely afraid of this, the of the funding freeze that had been noted in the omb memo. and so as a result of that, it locked people out. it required manual reviews of thousands of these funding requests. this is a system that normally operates pretty quickly. but it was it was really got got got quite messy very quickly. and now we're still playing catch up. >> so you're saying there was

essentially a run on the banks. how quickly do you need this money in order to make sure people get paid? i mean, there there are folks that are coming in and working these jobs who need a paycheck themselves. so what is your like? what is your time frame? what is the necessary amount of time you need to make sure that this gets resolved yesterday? >> no, i think it's you know, this system normally takes a couple of hours and it's going to be different in every single community. part of the beauty and part of the challenge of head start, being that federal to local, is that every community has different, different, different needs, different opportunities. they have different funds that they have access to. and so in this specific situation that we're talking about, programs that are trying to draw down on these resources, some of them only have operating operating expenses for a matter of days. we did see some programs have to close down as a result of this over the last week. and luckily, most of those programs have gotten back up for services. but we are aware of the 37 that i just noted that there are a couple who, if they don't receive funds today, they are

going to be looking at having to close down services as of monday. it's not just payroll either that we're talking about. it's also to local businesses, to vendors, to other other folks that that do provide services to head start programs as well that we need to pay. >> yeah. not so easy to get those things up and running again and not so easy to also ask people to just hold on, hold tight for a little while while we figure out this, this kink in the system. all right. thank you so much for joining us. i hope that gets resolved quickly. thomas sheridan, i appreciate it. and coming up with the acting fbi director just did that, he says could put the safety of officials in jeopardy. first, though, what security experts are worried about right now, after donald trump says that the u.s. should take control of gaza. >> i wish my tv provider let me choose what i pay for. >> sling lets. >> you do that. hey, where are you going? >> yeah. >> i wish my. >> tv provider let me choose what i pay for and let me pause

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the world and no rush to do anything. we'd need anybody there. it would be supplied and given to us by israel. they'll watch it in terms of security. we just want to see stability. that would be having us have that particular peace in that particular location, i think would show great stability and would would lead to great stability in the area for very little money, very little price. and we wouldn't need soldiers at all. >> president trump says his proposal to redevelop gaza into a middle eastern riviera would be a simple, inexpensive, inexpensive and, as you heard, well received investment for regional stability. but security experts and former intelligence officials are warning that trump has handed islamic terrorist groups a brand new rallying cry. joining us now, president and founder of eurasia group and g zero media. ian bremmer, you know, this is what first came to my mind when donald trump said

this. his national security advisor, mike wallace, was asked this, but he said this administration is always going to be fighting terrorists around the world. didn't really answer the question of whether this made americans safer. but in your reading of things, does saying something like this inspire more radicalism? >> well, katie, i will answer the question, which is when you look at extremist muslim forces around the world, i mean, they they view what's happening right now. >> in gaza. >> and over the last year as a genocide. america's own ally, mohammed bin salman, a crown prince in saudi arabia, has said he believes it's genocide. that's why you had the head of the cia and the head of national intelligence under biden saying that we were already facing a generational increase in radical islamic extremism, including directly against the united states. so, i mean, if you ask me, does trump saying we're going to take gaza, does that

make it at the margins even worse? sure. but that's really not the point here, right? i mean, the point is that u.s. policy in the region is directly antithetical to what the vast majority of the world's muslims believe should be happening, and that will lead to more extremism. >> what do the world's muslims want to happen with gaza, and how does that meet with reality here? >> well, they want a few things. first, they clearly wanted a cease fire. and i think the fact that trump was able to get a cease fire, and it's not clear to me that if harris had won, that she would have been able to get one so quickly is a plus. may not hold together, though. katie, as i'm sure you know. so that's an open question. they want a palestinian state and but they're not willing to do very much for it in terms of the leaders, the muslim leaders in the region, certainly not the gulf states. they talk a good game, but they haven't been willing to put their money where their mouths are. and it was interesting because, you know,

trump and jared kushner have been talking a fair amount over the last year, plus about a variant of this plan, which is, you know, we can develop gaza and then the palestinians will be able to come back. now, would they get all of their territory back when it was already developed? that's that's an open question. how long would it take? that's an open question. but i think that trump was particularly frustrated that the egyptians and the jordanians were not playing ball and saying they'd be willing to take some of these palestinians that would be removed from gaza to facilitate that reconstruction. and he was also frustrated that the saudis, the emiratis, the qataris, america's allies in the region weren't jumping all over. what a wonderful plan this was going to be. and they put a lot of money into it. and so, you know, given that and given that netanyahu suddenly was coming to the white house, president trump basically said, well, okay, if you're not going to accept my plan, then i'll just do it myself. and the funny thing, katie, is there's already been

backchanneling from the trump white house to the saudis saying, hey, hey, hey, don't don't take what trump was saying there literally, this is, you know, just an idea. it's just a negotiation. but we're going to engage with you on what we can do. so, you know, like so many things that trump says, that where you end up a day, a week, a month after the initial statement is frequently very, very different from the blaring advertisement. >> do you have a sense of where it could end up? i mean, say that a version of this plan was put into place. who knows what that version is? but say you moved palestinians out temporarily who wanted to leave temporarily. that's a big if and then. but you have people left that don't want to leave, that refuse to leave, and you have hamas left. and hamas is not going to just, you know, lay down their guns and say, we're cool. we're going to go. how do you deal with that? and then the cease fire is over, right? >> the look, the fact that you got a cease fire at all took an awful lot of work and an awful lot of pressure. but if you're

not accepting a palestinian state and you're saying you're going to take palestinians off the territory, you're going to own it, there's no reason for hamas to move forward to a second or third phase of the deal. so that gets a lot harder. so my baseline expectation would be that this deal does the peace, the peace deal, the cease fire is not likely to last long. and i think that the prime minister of israel also feels like it's not going to last long. but i do think, katie, that we are going to see some palestinians start to leave. i think that that is clearly israel's interest. 80% of israelis recently polled by the jerusalem post, which is a, you know, pretty much centrist in the context of israel politics outlet, said that they'd like all palestinians to go. that's what they support. they want them all out of gaza. so this isn't just the right wing of israel. this is this is what they want. and i think that that plus trump would very much like to see some busloads or some

planeloads or some boatloads of palestinians. >> where would. >> they go? gaza. because then then you've already changed the policy. it's just a question of how many and how quickly. kind of just like trump was so keen to show that we could get some illegal immigrants to guantanamo or send a military plane to colombia or india, even if the numbers are small. just that symbolism really changes the policy conversation. >> where would they go? jordan and egypt have said that they don't want to take anybody. where would they go? >> well. >> that's right, they have said that as of now, trump has not gone to saudi arabia yet. he has not, you know, sort of had a hard negotiation with these leaders. he hasn't we haven't talked about how much money would be given to them from the saudi, the saudis, from the gulf states. would egypt and or jordan be willing to take small numbers of palestinians under circumstances where it was guaranteed that they'd have the right of return after a certain period of time? i think that

trump is probably correct that what they're saying now is not their final negotiating position. all right. i mean, heck, el salvador has said they take people from all over the world. i don't think that's where the palestinians want to go. but again, if you're looking symbolically to remove some planeloads of palestinians from gaza, i strongly suspect that israel and trump will find a way to facilitate that. >> all right. ian bremmer, thank you so much for joining us. i do appreciate it. and acting fbi director brian driscoll says the doj forced him to turn over the names of all fbi employees who worked on january 6th cases he had previously turned over only employee id numbers in an effort to keep names as protected as possible. but in a memo last night, driscoll said the numbers weren't enough for acting deputy ag emil bove. joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. president trump just also talked a little bit about this. he was asked whether he'd fire those january 6th

prosecutors or anybody who worked on those cases. and he said no, but yes, no, but yes, yes. some of them i will fire. >> yeah. what he said, i think, katie, was that they're not going to do a firing of all 6000 or whatever agents and support personnel who are on this list, who anybody who touched the january 6th case. but he said they were going to fire. he used the term quickly and surgically, a number of agents involved because he said he's convinced that they were corrupt. now, there's no evidence of that. no one has produced any evidence of misconduct by fbi agents or other people in the in the investigation and prosecution of these many, many january 6th cases, the vast majority of which resulted in convictions. but that is the great fear among the fbi agents and current and former that i am talking to is that they believe that while brian driscoll staved off a plan for mass firings about a week ago, and he's been resisting at every stage, although he was forced to turn over the names, they believe that now the

administration is going to quietly find the people that it feels are most objectionable, who worked on perhaps multiple january 6th cases or who were involved in the most high profile cases against, say, enrique tarrio or stewart rhodes, and is going to try to fire them. now. it's illegal to fire an fbi agent without cause. and they have they have recourse. they can go to the merit systems protection board, they can go to court, but that won't matter if their badge is taken away and they're escorted out of their field office. and that is the great fear right now within the fbi. >> all right, ken dilanian, thank you very much. and now, another story that i think you probably have heard about. marco ellis, a 25 year old former spacex and ex employee who joined elon musk's doge team, resigned last night after the wall street journal uncovered an old social media account with pretty racist posts. things like i was racist before it was cool, normalize indian hate, and i would not mind at all if both gaza and israel were wiped off

the face of the earth. but now, in just the last few minutes, elon musk said in a social media post that he's going to rehire lies after vice president j.d. vance announced his support for the staffer earlier today, and also after president trump was asked whether he thought this staffer should remain fired at the press conference a moment ago. >> as part of the show's cost cutting effort, one of the doge engineers was fired for some inappropriate posts. the vice president says, bring him back. what do you say? >> well, i don't know about the particular thing, but if the vice president said that, did you say that? i'm with the vice president. thank you. peter. >> by the way, this doge staff member gained access to the treasury department's central payments system. okay. still ahead. what? a new jobs report, the first since donald trump returned to office, reveals about the state of the economy. didn't do as well as expected.

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to the economy. that is slightly lower than the 169,000 estimate. experts were expecting slightly. among the sectors doing the most hiring this past month healthcare, retail and government. but as president trump plans to reduce the federal workforce by tens of thousands of jobs over the next few months, we could see an impact on future reports. joining us now, nbc news senior business correspondent christine romans. read the numbers for me. >> well, you know, i loved that 4%. >> unemployment rate. that's a. >> good number. and that's what you. >> want to see. >> and you. >> have the. >> numbers in for last. >> year, about 2 million jobs. >> created last. >> year after about 2.5. >> million. >> the year before. >> so you. >> can. see the. >> job creation still sturdy but starting to slow. >> down a little bit. >> you had a strong. >> december. >> but then this. bit of a slowdown 142in january. >> a few things happening there. >> the california. >> wildfires. >> one of them. >> worries about tariffs. >> i mean, if you're. >> a small business owner in the. >> us, are you going to. add

workers? >> if you're. >> not. >> sure if your costs. >> are going to go up? so we'll be watching that space. >> and just a. >> general idea that. >> things have been going well. >> for some. >> time and. >> they're not actually overheating anymore. >> and that's a good thing. >> the dow is down a point y one point. >> the dow. >> is. >> down one point. >> look what will the fed do. >> oh actually down 1% right. what will the fed do next. will the fed keep interest rates up here. i'm not too worried about a 400 point move in the dow. by the way, since. most of these markets have been up so much over the past two years trying to game out what happens next. >> with. >> tariffs, what happens next with the fed and interest rates? the fed not expected to lower interest rates anytime soon. and i think you'll hear you're going to hear chatter if you dare go there online today about revisions. last year that took about 589,000 jobs off the table that had been reported at one point. that's a relatively small number in the grand scheme of things. and i would point out that donald trump in 2019 had 500,000 jobs also taken off of his record because of these annual benchmark revisions. so some sometimes these numbers can get a little political. they

don't need to be. >> do you expect the markets to react to just the chaos that's out there? i mean, it's been a pretty chaotic two and a half weeks. donald trump is making moves that are destabilizing. folks. >> i think the most important thing for from the market's perspective is tariffs. are there tariffs against the eu. what are these reciprocal tariffs he's talking about. what what exactly is happening in tariff world that could upend the course of business. because the stock market reflects how much money companies are making. and if you start adding costs in at borders, companies are likely to make less money. and that is something that could be reflected on wall street. >> all right, christine romans, always good to see you. thank you very much. and house republicans missed a self-imposed deadline of today to announce a budget resolution after a five hour meeting at the white house yesterday yielded nothing that they were ready to announce. so now senate republicans are moving forward without their house counterparts releasing their own budget resolution. joining us, nbc news chief capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. are we expecting to get a little bit of news from

republicans in the house soon? >> yeah, katie, the speaker said that maybe as soon as monday is when we'll actually get their budget proposal, it could include a whole host of things. there are plans for reconciliation, perhaps even their plans to raise the debt ceiling. but you're right. the senate got out there first. and that does complicate the process for republicans, because keep in mind that the budget proposal has to be an identical document that can pass both the house and the senate. so there's a lot of work to be done on both sides, particularly when you talk about the volume of cuts that republicans are talking about. and then you have the fact that the trump administration has already indicated they're not going to accept anything that doesn't include a lot of cuts. so there's a lot of work to be done here. and the timeline is shrinking. they have until march 14th to come up with some sort of budget plan. of course, they could do a short term continuing resolution to allow the talks to continue, but they do need to get this process moving. and as you rightly point out, they've already missed one of their self-imposed deadlines. >> how are the democrats going to factor into any sort of

budget deal? >> well, they could factor into this in a very significant way, katie, in in particular in the house where right now there's only essentially a one vote margin because of the resignations that the republicans have for people that have gone on to positions in the trump administration. and so the question is, will they be able to come up with a document that can get 218 votes and not require any democratic support? and there's a real question around that right now, because there are hardliners in the republican party that want significant cuts in those significant, significant cuts may have to come from somewhere. and this is likely where a lot of the disagreement comes, because it's one thing to talk in big numbers, like i want $2.5 trillion in cuts, but then when you actually attach those cuts to the meaningful line items that they actually represent, well, that's when it gets to be a bit stickier of a process. and could you have some republican holdouts that are upset that a project that they care about gets put on the chopping block? well, that could throw the whole thing into a level of disarray

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freeze has stopped federal agencies from onboarding seasonal firefighters, including those who work for the agencies that will be called on to help battle the next los angeles wildfire. joining us now, nbc news national political correspondent jacob soboroff. why in the world would they put this at risk? w would you put firefighters and hiring at risk in the middle of a fire season? it's ongoing now in california, and right after just one of the biggest disasters this country has ever seen. >> yeah, you nailed the key. >> question, katie. that's the same question that people inside the bureau of land management. inside the us forest service and the national park service are all asking about this freeze and why, despite the executive order saying that public safety would be exempt, that firefighters. >> are not being onboarded right now. you know. >> when. >> remember when you and i. >> were in the palisades up at the high part of the palisades highlands? we're actually talking to joy reid. a green

fire truck drove by, and that was the u.s. forest service. they had come as basically reinforcement in the mutual aid effort to help the los angeles city and the los angeles county fire department and all the other local jurisdictions. and those firefighters are key to fighting. >> huge. >> massive fires, not just on federal wildlands, but also in cities, in urban areas. and so what has happened now is that because of this freeze and basically directives from these different agencies are instructing the air people not to. >> onboard these firefighters. >> you will have delays that are going to cause significant problems, not in this fire season, but in the next one. and there are people saying things like this could, you know, literally harm not just property, but life as well, because these folks have to go through background checks. they have to go through a long and lengthy process. and so any time that this process is delayed in. >> a hiring. >> freeze, it creates significant problems. and it seems. >> like this one is not untangled quite yet. >> i only got a couple of seconds left, jacob. but any

indication that the trump administration is aware of this and is going to roll it back? >> no. and in fact, let me just make sure i get it right. the interior department said in a statement to us yesterday they are implementing president donald j. trump's executive order across the federal civilian workforce. that was the response that we got. >> all right, jacob soboroff, big story. thank you very much for joining us. and a sad but happy day here at msnbc today. it's sad because today does mark the end of andrea mitchell reports. after 17 years. andrea and i have covered countless major events together the insurrection, the death of queen elizabeth, too many january 6th hearings, storms, trials, election days. we've done it all and we're still going to work together. that is the good news because andrea is not leaving the network. she's staying on, as nbc news chief washington correspondent, but we are going to miss her greatly every day at noon here on msnbc. and while there are so many moments i loved with her that you have

seen, here's one you probably have not. it's from about six years ago, a little bit more than six years ago, at an event at the 92nd street y. this is an honor for me. >> first off, the honor. all mine. >> know you are. you are my idol. you're my mentor. you're my guiding light. you're my queen. >> i think we should end it right here. >> i love this. >> this is the future of broadcast news. >> so. >> i have a great story. everyone always says women in the news business are cutthroat, and they're going to try and take you down. when i first started at nbc news, it was 2012, i think, and i was covering hurricane sandy. i'm standing in floodwaters in hoboken, new jersey, and i do a hit on andrea mitchell's msnbc show at noon, which was thrilling for me as a brand new correspondent. and afterwards she sent me a note saying, welcome to the team. we're so

happy to have you. it's great to have another strong woman on board. you're doing a wonderful job. and i thought. >> and of course, it's easy to write a nice note from behind the anchor desk to someone who's standing hip deep in water, which is the intrepid katy tur. >> it was amazing. i mean, i saved it, and i still have it to this day because it meant so much to me at the time, and it made me feel welcome at nbc. and you still do every single day. six and a half years later, she still makes me feel welcome every day. and if you were watching at noon, you got to see a long montage of all of the things that andrea has done in her career. all of the incredible people she's interviewed, the newsmakers, the heads of state, the humanitarians, she has been incredible. and i want you to know this. she is as incredible off camera, off air as she is on camera. she is a truly wonderful person and we should all be celebrating her on this very special day. that's going to do

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