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the weekends and the summer. that makes sense. the happiness fluctuates also throughout each given day, which is something to keep in mind if you want to kind of hack when you might be most likely biologically to feel happy. by the way, you see that around 6 or 7 p.m. we're always happy to have you join us if this is part of your routine. and as for the point, on the weekends, well, don't forget it was labor and union organizers who helped create the weekend, which now we find as a source of happy joy. and speaking of joy, well, i'm going to hand it off. hi, joy. >> how are. >> you doing, ari? >> i like this. >> five. six and. >> 7:00 are. >> the. >> happiest times. >> the happy times. >> i concur. >> at least on the east coast. >> they're the. >> happy times. and we're the happy people. >> right. who you got in the. >> super bowl? there is. >> a right answer. >> kendrick kendrick. kendrick. >> oh, word.
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>> you know what? >> that's the right answer. >> that is why. >> you're my friend. i appreciate you ari. >> have a. >> great weekend. >> enjoy your super bowl. take care. all right. >> cheers and thank. >> you all for joining us as well. >> happy super bowl friday. we have. a ton to get. >> to in the next hour of the reidout, including donald trump falling in line with president elon musk. >> by calling. >> for an. >> end to usaid. >> the same. >> usaid. >> a.k.a usaid. >> that his. >> wife. >> first lady melania. >> said embodied what her. >> be best program stood for. >> and that. >> first daughter, ivanka. >> used to establish. >> a. >> highly publicized. >> initiative to empower women. >> in developing countries. >> but we begin. >> tonight. >> less than. >> three weeks into this new administration. >> and we are already facing what is rightfully. >> being described as a. constitutional crisis. >> it comes. >> not from. >> the man. >> elected to. >> sit behind the. >> resolute desk. >> but from. >> the. >> unelected one. >> who appears. >> to be. >> pulling all the strings. >> tech billionaire. >> elon musk. >> it's happening in real. >> time, thanks.
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>> to elon's. >> made up. >> department of. >> government efficiency. >> that he and a handful of young adults from his. private companies have. unleashed on this country. >> with nearly unfettered access. >> to any. >> agency or. >> database they choose to infiltrate. >> in this short time, we've seen them. >> all but abolished. >> the us agency. >> for international. development with. >> plans. >> to reduce its workforce. >> from 5000. to what's expected to be about 600. and it's being done without. >> congressional authority. >> which is. >> required. >> given that it was congress that passed the law that formally established the agency. >> of course. >> this is just the start. >> with little pushback. musk and his. >> minions are gaining access to more and more us government agencies every day. >> just today, trump said he. >> instructed musk. >> to check out the pentagon and those people gaining access. >> to the most sensitive systems. >> are. >> not the best. >> and the brightest. yesterday. >> one of elon's little henchmen. resigned from doge. >> after his. >> now deleted. >> racist social media posts
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resurfaced. >> according to the wall street journal. >> the posts from. 25 year. old marko. >> elez included such. >> gems as. >> just for the record, i was racist. >> before it was cool. >> you could. >> not pay me to marry. >> outside of my ethnicity and. normalize indian hate. >> and this. >> morning, on cue, vice. >> president james david. >> vance said elez should be brought back onto the. >> team, posting. i don't think. >> stupid social media activity. >> should ruin. >> a kid's life. >> okay. >> so now he's just a kid. a kid, a kid who was. >> given direct access. >> to treasury department systems, responsible. for nearly every single payment made by the us government, including social security. checks that people rely on. >> a kid, i thought they were highly trained professionals, man, not kids. >> to no one's surprise, elon jumped on his personal version of truth social. >> and tweeted. >> in. >> agreeance with. jd and announced his. triumphant return this afternoon. >> this after spending much of yesterday. joking with. >> his twitter stans. >> twitter stans. >> about another one of his junior. >> henchmen, who on his linkedin
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went by the name big balls and who also had. >> access to millions of americans personal data. >> the absolute. >> unseriousness of these people stands. >> in stark contrast to. >> the dead. >> seriousness of what they're doing to our country. >> and the many. >> unknowns about what they could be doing. >> with. >> our data. meanwhile. >> the acting. >> us attorney for. >> dc, ed martin, who earlier this. week said he would pursue legal action against anyone who threatens. any doge. >> employees. >> something that he offered no evidence has happened is now saying that he is beginning an inquiry into those supposed threats. after a referral. >> from elon musk. >> who apparently now, in addition to wielding the power afforded to congress in the constitution, also has the power to order federal criminal investigations. martin wrote directly to elon. we will investigate them, and we will chase them to the end of the earth to hold them accountable. we will not rest or. cease in this. >> no one. >> should abuse american
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pursuing these so-called threats? he's not giving any evidence of it and no one should threaten anyone. let's just be clear about that. what do you make of his threats? >> i mean. >> he didn't utter a. >> peep when. enrique tarrio. >> recently pardoned. >> him. >> issued a. social media statement on x. >> i believe. with the. >> name of. >> the female fbi agent. who he accuses. of various nefarious crimes and says that she should. be arrested. >> and. put in jail. >> and bringing all. >> kinds of social. >> pressure on her. >> he has not. >> done anything. to try to. insulate the fbi agents who've come under attack. by all of the proud. boys and oath keepers and three percenters and. violent insurrectionists. so that. >> guy is. >> a j. six enthusiast. he's aj6 lawyer, and he's. >> doing. everything in his. >> power to exact retaliation against the federal prosecutors and the fbi agents and the cops
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who simply did. >> their. >> jobs for america. >> you know, i still recall, and it's still seared in my mind, ruby freeman and shay moss saying that you can't describe the feeling of your federal government coming after you and training the entire awesome power of the white house on you as just an individual person. what we have now is the u.s. attorney from washington, as well as the heritage foundation, through its donation to this watch list group. you know, the people on that on that list, they put their faces in there, they put their identifying information. some of them have gotten unsolicited pizza delivery so that people letting them know, they know where they live, people have gotten swatted. i don't hear any impetus from this federal government under the trump administration to protect any american who, as you said, are being threatened. and they are also demanding to know the identities of these fbi agents, as you just said. and who knows whether those will just wind up in the hands of elon musk, who seems to think this is all hilarious at this point. what
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what what protection do ordinary americans who are not trumpers? what protection do we have at all? >> well. >> the. >> association of. >> fbi agents went to court yesterday to try to protect not hundreds, but thousands of fbi agents. who are within. >> the scope of donald. trump and. >> his team. >> of people. >> trying to. whitewash january 6th. they consider it essential to completely rewrite. >> the story of what. >> happened and to turn these criminals, who they called political prisoners and hostages, into heroes and patriots and patriots, and then turn the people who enforce. >> the law. >> to defend the democracy, including cops. >> who were wounded. >> and injured and hospitalized, turn them into the villains of the story. it's just so outrageous. and, you know, they have spent the last few years talking about the weaponization of. government without any evidence for it all, obviously,
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to prepare for their weaponization of the government, to make people think that. >> this is normal. >> it's kind of bizarre watching our country sort of descend into this sort of, you know, what in the past would have been called sort of third world sort of junta behavior, but it is happening in real time. and i will note that marvin dunn, you know, one of i'm sorry, marvin dunn, the former police officer. dunn. marvin dunn is another as another. dunn was just. >> fronted by. >> one of these j sixers in the street. harry dunn in the in the streets of dc you know by one of them. but anyway let me let me move on to the actual thing. i think that people are really freaking out and terrified about these unelected people. they are not they're not government employees. nobody knows. you know, doge doesn't exist. it isn't real. they now have access to maybe hundreds of millions of people's data. your the congress passed a law trying to stop tiktok from operating out of fear that the chinese government would get americans data through tiktok. this is now a group of
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people, some of whom have expressed openly racist views, views, you know, that are particularized against certain communities or who are just unserious in some of the goofs they've done online, don't seem very like serious people. they can do whatever they want with this data. by the time the courts adjudicate this, won't it be too late? won't they maybe have already downloaded it and repurposed it for whatever? >> well, that's why we need the courts to move so quickly and to enjoin any further leakage. or any corruption and misuse of this data. while we can. and it may be getting late. i mean, you mentioned the chinese government, and elon musk is, of course, very much in bed with the chinese government and the chinese communist party. so if they want any of this data, they've got a very clear channel by which they can. >> get it. >> and it's an absolute violation of the privacy act. and a whole bunch of other. >> federal laws. >> that.
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>> are. >> being violated. but elon musk has been sending his juvenile fascist night crew to federal agencies and departments throughout washington, including coming into my district, to noaa, to nih, the fda, in order to get not just all the financial records, but personnel records at nih, patient records, records from various studies and various grants. so they want to. >> run roughshod over. >> the entire legal infrastructure, privacy rights of the people. >> all for their. >> own purposes, which may be governmental, they may be corporate, they may be private, they may be political. and right now, all we've got is the opportunity for courts to step in, to say that this data must be returned to the government, and we've got to end this raid on it by elon musk. >> i want to just note for the
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audience that donald trump has announced today that he's going to fire some january 6th investigators calling them, some of them corrupt. you responded actually to this normalized indian hate guy. and so it's sweet that you don't want to ruin a kid's life. saying to jd vance something to bear in mind next time you oppose gun safety laws. but does that mean that this kid should have access to private data of tens of millions of americans? and i will note one more thing just for the audience, the new york times is reporting that the treasury department has installed an ally of elon musk in a key position overseeing the nation's payment system, replacing a career civil servant who had resisted granting mr. musk's cost cutting team access to payment data. the payment data seems particularly important and particularly sensitive by the time. again, if the supreme court gets this case and i have no faith, i'm being honest that john roberts won't just enshrine this under law and say that donald trump does have the unitary authority to spend america's money, and not it's not congress by the time it gets there again, won't it be too
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late? they have the payment system. they've got the normalized indian hate guys back on the job. can we even stop this? >> well, i mean, speed is of the essence here for the reasons you're saying, joy. it is. >> an overwhelming. >> amount of information about a huge number of people. and so if the courts move with dispatch, they might be able to prevent a lot of damage from being inflicted. but nobody should normalize what's going on here. we've got the wealthiest man in the world who cannot be president because he was born in apartheid south africa and then made his way to canada and then to america because he can't be president, except if he can buy himself a de facto presidency by putting up hundreds of millions of dollars for donald trump. you know, time magazine's got him sitting in the oval office on their on the cover at the resolute desk, but he's acting like he is president. in fact, i don't know of any president
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who's ever done anything remotely like this, which is basically engineer and operation to take custody of millions and millions of records of the american people, the financial systems of the treasury department, the data of the american people. he's got his claws into the defense operation, telecom, you name it. so the people in silicon valley think that he wants to be the monarch of a new techno feudal state. that's why you've got steve bannon and other people on the right attacking elon musk. steve bannon has said he is a truly evil person who should not be running the us government. so at some point, we've got to wake up beyond party lines for all americans to see what's going on here in this rapidly expanding and accelerating coup. >> very quickly, just before we
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go, very quickly, the elon musk's doge is now in the medicare and medicaid agency. i will note that pam bondi has ended the fbi effort to combat foreign influence in u.s. politics, maybe allowing bribery to come back and force foreign bribery very, very quickly. congressman, apparently, the security clearance of the former president of united states, joe biden, has now been revoked by donald trump. your very quick response. >> well, you know, trump has his petty grievances and his recriminations and the vengeance that he wants to exact against particular people. but watch elon musk, because what he's doing is taking control of the systems themselves. and so he wants to effectuate a complete transformation in our constitutional and governmental order. and that's why this is a five alarm crisis for all americans. this is not the usual partizan conflict. >> indeed. congressman jamie raskin, thank you. and both marvin and harry, i'm sure are going to text you. they're probably have texted me already, both my friends, thank you very much. and coming up, the
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>> now is the time, so we're going. >> to do it. >> settle in the rachel maddow show weeknights at 9:00 on msnbc. stay up to date on the biggest issues of the day with the msnbc daily newsletter. get the best of msnbc all in one place. sign up for msnbc daily at msnbc. com. >> we care. >> and we want to. >> show the world that we care. and i partnered, and i'm working with usaid, and i'm meeting some of them here as well.
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>> surprise, surprise, that was first lady melania trump in egypt in 2018, singing the praises of the united states agency for international development, usaid, an agency her husband, donald trump, now calls a tremendous fraud. it seems trump forgot how much his wife and daughter ivanka promoted the agency during his first administration during that time. during that same trip to africa in 2018, in malawi, melania visited a school to highlight a usaid reading program. it's also worth noting that melania is an immigrant from slovenia, formerly part of communist yugoslavia. she came here under unclear circumstances, somehow got a genius visa, and got her sister and mother here, too. what about slovenia? according to the. according to the usaid archives, between 1993 and 1997, the agency delivered support to slovenia as it transitioned from a state controlled economy and authoritarian government to a free market democracy. oh, irony, how you mock us.
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meanwhile, during trump's first administration, his daughter and senior adviser ivanka trump partnered with usaid for her women's global development and prosperity initiative. in 2019, she traveled to ethiopia and the ivory coast with the then administrator of usaid, who donald trump appointed. president trump 1.0 also coughed up $100 million for ivanka's project in his 2020 budget, funded through usaid. but now, with the influence of elon musk, who bragged it would be fed into a wood chipper, donald trump says the agency should be closed. whittled down from thousands of employees worldwide to just a few hundred. 611, to be exact. two federal employees unions sued to block the order that would put thousands of usaid workers on administrative leave. but even as a federal judge prepared to hear that case, crews were removing the signage off of the agency's headquarters in washington. in the meantime, customs and border
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protection has officially taken over the lease of the headquarters space of usaid. it's not clear what the space will be used for. late today, a trump appointed federal judge in washington granted the union's request and blocked the order that would have forced more than 2000 usaid employees on leave, effective just before midnight tonight. joining me now is doctor atul gawande, former assistant administrator for global health at usaid. thank you so much for being here. i appreciate you. i just want to read to you, if you don't mind, before i let you comment on all these other things. a source of mine who years ago worked at usaid, said the following about the people who worked, who work there. now they grew up professionally. they're providing a service on behalf of the american people. some joined the agency as veterans after serving and fighting for america. they decided to continue that service and fight on behalf of america in iraq, afghanistan, sudan. these foreign service officers are being treated like criminals instead of human beings. fellow
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citizens who sacrificed time with family uprooted their families every few years, just like military families, in order to deliver life saving programs for millions of disenfranchized people around the world. they serve their country and do not deserve to be treated like this. but in less than a month, all their work reduced to this. i would love to get your reaction to that. >> it is shameful how we're treating americans who are sent to places that most people do not go. war zones. some of the most impoverished places on earth to offer compassion and offer support to also. >> influence in. >> places like africa, asia, eastern europe where we want american support there. >> and then. >> save lives, stop diseases that afflict the world. >> one of my. >> colleagues, people are calling me off. >> the hook, right? >> and i was just. >> speaking to. >> one who. >> said. >> you know, my country is
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attacking me. this is worse. than any dictatorship where i've worked, and we should be ashamed of that. >> i don't. >> think you have any idea how much these people have poured their lives. they don't. they go out into the world without the guns. they're the largest civilian workforce we have for extending our foreign policy abroad. and there's the harm to our country. there's the. harm to health and survival for many. >> and then. >> there is the damage we're doing to america and our security. there are so many things to talk about, joy. so we'll go with more. >> indeed, the new york times went and discussed the dozens of clinical trials that have been frozen because of these cuts. the times identified more than 30 frozen studies that had volunteers already in the care of researchers, including trials of malaria treatment in children under five in mozambique, treatment for cholera in bangladesh, a screen and treat method for cervical cancer in malawi. tuberculosis treatment
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for children and teens in peru and south africa. nutritional support for children in ethiopia. early childhood development intervention in cambodia. ways to support pregnant and breastfeeding women to reduce malnutrition in jordan and mrna vaccine technology. vaccine technology for hiv in south africa. when those things go away, what does that do to the image of the united states and the power of the united states in the world, when people who are actually in clinical trials are being told, go home, america has abandoned you? >> yeah. >> it's not. >> just that they're frozen. that last word, they have been abandoned. i mean, there are women who have medical devices in them that need somebody to remove them. the experimental devices, a vaginal ring that prevents hiv under testing. and we have this a dereliction of our duty. it is a terrible image for us where we were, you know, the country that for decades could be trusted for our support of freedom and compassion, a helping hand to make a
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difference. 11 of our biggest trade partners were usaid countries, south korea, india. these are places that now are critical bulwarks against china and russia. by the way, china now. >> yeah. >> in nepal is offering to, to help fill in the gaps. >> of course they are. russia is also crowing. i will note this the moscow times russia welcomes the us aid cuts. ukraine was the single biggest recipient of us aid in fiscal 2023, receiving 16.6 billion. and i will note this from semafor. usaid has played a critical role in supporting kyiv to rebuild its grid. it has committed at least $800 million to procure and deliver transformers, power cables, gas generators and other hardware. that work is now in jeopardy. do you, i think, hit on it. this is a this can only be. it doesn't help us. it definitely helps russia and china. right. >> the signal we're sending is
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after six decades where we were seen as a trustworthy partner, we're now seen as unreliable. they're not coming back and saying, please, please don't, don't stop this. they're they. i've spoken to ministers in the last three days who instead are picking up the phone to europe, which is great. let's see if they can help out. but then also to china and russia. i'm tracking down a report right now that in the ebola outbreak currently in uganda, a place with an international airport where those cases could go anywhere, we are not bringing our mobile labs and capacity to support the country and russia. for the first time i've ever seen in one of these outbreaks, has sent a mobile lab. i want to confirm that that's really true, but that's the report i currently have. >> yeah. and i will note that, you know, these are not all, you know, sort of liberal, crunchy liberal programs. i mean, pepfar that is helping to fight global aids was george w bush's idea very quickly. the amount of money in total that u.s. aid has
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in its budget. it's actually quite very little, isn't it, compared to the rest. >> of the budget? it is. >> so it's about $30 billion, which, you know, that's a lot of money for anybody. of course, the global health component, like the two biggest components, about 60%, is humanitarian assistance and health. i oversaw the health component, which is $8 billion. that's half the size of my hospital budget, my one hospital budget, where i practice surgery. so on that we're able to touch hundreds of millions of people with service. that hiv program you describe, we have 20 million people around the world who now have their hiv under control. they need the life saving medication to stay alive and to not transmit. and now we've taken that away. we're going to see hiv, then begin to transmit. and not only will they then transmit and reach others, they will die. tb, malaria. this is an enormous setback.
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>> this as the people in this very same ideology purport to call this a christian nation. the ironies are profound. doctor atul gawande, thank you so much, sir, and thank you for your service to this country. and coming up, how the trump administration is using the buzzword of die to justify its destruction of the federal destruction of the federal government. what's behind those got eyelid itching, crusties and swelling that won't go away? it could be... demodex blepharitis! and we're demodex mites. we're very common and super irritating to your eyelids... but we love making ourselves comfortable here! oh, yeah...steam time! if demodex mites are partying it up on your eyelids... it's time to eliminate the root of the problem with xdemvy. with one drop in each eye twice a day... you can kill the mites in just six weeks. xdemvy is the first and only fda-approved treatment that kills the mites that cause demodex blepharitis, a common eyelid disease.
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blocking the door. he says he's a federal employee. he won't tell us who gave him permission to do this. all he knows is he's going to stand here and tell the members of congress who are elected, who vote for the funding for all of them in this building and for the student loans and for the title one families. he's going to tell us that we can't come in and talk with anybody. >> and that, my dear readers, is auntie maxine fighting for the kids today, at least 30 house democrats were denied access to the department of education building in washington, d.c, where they had hoped to meet with acting education secretary denise carter. trump has called for closing the department, something some republicans have obsessed over since the reagan era, but which cannot be done without congress, which created the agency during the jimmy carter administration. republicans have long wanted their hands on that multibillion dollar education market, which
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they are very eager to privatize for profit. they also want to eliminate civil rights protections for all students, but especially black and lgbtq students, which is why those right wing culture warriors are stepping up their attacks on diversity initiatives and making dei the new boogeyman. joining me now is writer and historian ibram x kendi. the newly announced director of howard university's institute for advanced study. congratulations on that new post at howard university, which is starting to look like the avengers in terms of all of the educational greats that are there, including yourself. sir, your thoughts on duly elected members of congress, house and senate members being locked out of federal buildings and agencies. but these doge people who have no standing as members, as representatives of the people being allowed to not only go in but go through the computers. >> it really reminds me of some
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scenes during the civil rights movement when we were trying to desegregate schools and universities and federal officials were denied entry. and frankly, to me, it's an apt connection because many of these people who were blocking these members of congress from coming into these federal buildings are really trying to resegregate this country. >> and the thing is that is that they put very fine point on it. dei has just become, in many ways on the on the maga side, just a substitute for black. right. and but sometimes they'll add the a and they'll admit that they know it also means disabled people and lgbtq people and trans people. so they admit that they know the expanded word for it. but i kind of feel like anti-blackness is like the worm, right? that's on the end of the hook. and so that once their base, like, bites down on it,
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they buy into the whole thing, right? they get all of it, including losing some of their own education benefits. if you get rid of the department of education. a lot of maga people have disabled kids who need those benefits and they won't get them. >> exactly. and that's the reason why they're hoping their own supporters hear black when they hear dei, just as they hoped. >> their own. >> supporters heard black when they heard the term welfare. and they they cut welfare just as they hoped. their supporters heard black when they heard the term affirmative action. you can. >> go. >> on and on. >> with programs that have helped a large number of americans who are not black, but then ended up actually supporting, cutting the programs that that that were actually helping them. and that's the insidiousness of anti-blackness in this country. >> i want to just go through a few things that are just sort of
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put a point on this exact point. so in florida, you had a teenager who was accused of waving a machete and threatening kamala harris, supporting people at the polls in neptune beach, florida. prosecutors absolutely dropped that case. jd vance, vice president of the united states, while saying, oh, i disagree with some of this, these posts, but saying, oh, this is just stupid social media activity and it shouldn't ruin a quote unquote kid's life, even though they claim that the people who are in our, our, our, our systems are professionals. and this is 25 year old marco alessi, who had resigned from doge after the wall street journal reported that he'd made comments about, you know, normalize indian hate talking about eugenics and saying he was a racist before it was cool. and one more. and this is small, but it seems like it's part of the cultural change. the super bowl taking off and racism off of the end zone and replacing choose love when they're doing anything but choosing love here. i mean,
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fbi agents are terrified right now that they're going to get doxxed by on twitter and get their lives ruined. people who worked at dei initiatives are in a what amounts to almost like a sort of a list to mark them and show who they are. and it's being put out as like a watch list. there's not choosing love here, but what do you make of this? all of these signals that they're saying, you know what, anti-blackness and racism is a-okay in america again. >> when you can organize and invade the us capitol for all the world to see, put up structures to lynch people, you can assault police officers, you can urinate on the floor of the us capitol. and then ultimately you can get pardoned. you can pretty much they're signaling, you know, so long as you're a so-called patriot, so long as you're attacking democracy, so long as you're attacking black people, you won't be punished.
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waterproof sneakers. >> today. donald trump's favorite magazine, time, tried to make it clear to their most obsessed fan in terms that he can process visually what the rest of the world seems to know. president musk is calling the shots. time is clearly aware of what it's doing, since the magazine has had a special place in trump's heart since the 80s, an era when greed was good. sort of like today. joining me now is charles blow, author and msnbc political analyst, and juanita tolliver, msnbc political analyst and author of the great new book, a more perfect party the night. shirley chisholm and diahann carroll reshaped politics. i'm very eager to have a chat with you about that. we're going to do that in just a minute. but i want to start with juanita. i will start with you. ladies first. how do you think old don is going to process that time cover? we put it back up. >> his ego can't handle. >> this, joy. and i. appreciate you talking about his long. >> history of. >> obsessing over these covers. remember time. did name him
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person. >> of the year for 2024. so he's. >> he's he's literally. >> going to have. whiplash in this moment seeing this cover because he can't handle anybody. >> knowing the truth that he. >> is not in control. but elon musk is now i am hesitant to say that this is going to put elon musk on the outside like it did someone. >> like steve bannon. >> back during the. >> first trump term. >> because elon musk. >> is an actual. >> billionaire who invested money. >> trump is his vehicle. >> trump is his product. >> trump is someone who. >> he paid a lot of money. associated with the campaign last year. and so i don't see trump having that. >> size of. >> outsized reaction. but i am going. >> to be. >> watching for the fissures in the ways that he responds to elon musk publicly. when musk goes to the press saying, yeah, he told trump he was going to end that agency. >> over there. >> well, we know who the boss is. he's got the money and trump needs his money. he needs his help. he don't. it's not the other way around. charles. the one thing that trump does have the power to do is to do sort of petty, weird things, you know, like he's taken personal control of the kennedy center, which is i don't really know what that means. does that mean it's going
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to be like, why am there going to be, you know, the village people and kid rock are now going to be performing there? i have no idea. he's named himself chairman, which is his way of having sort of cultural impact. i don't know who's going to want to go to the kid rock concerts, but he's also done something much more serious revoking joe biden, president biden's security clearances. he posts, of course, on his little truth social. there's no need for joe biden to continue receiving access to classified information. therefore, we are immediately revoking joe biden's security clearances and stopping his daily intelligence briefings. he set this precedent in 2021, when he instructed the intelligence community to stop the 45th president of the united states, me, from accessing details of national security, a courtesy provided to former presidents. the difference, of course, being he had stolen classified documents and taken them home and put them in his bathroom, which is why. and no one knows what he did with them. your thoughts on this development? >> you know it. >> each day brings a fresh new hell. i'm not the first person to say that, but it is all meant to do exactly what it's doing,
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which is to stun everyone into disbelief, to literally make you feel like you're. >> losing. >> your breath, that you can't keep. >> up. >> that when you try to train your outrage on any particular thing, another thing comes in the next 30 minutes or the next day that trumps it. and what this has done effectively is to throw the opposition off, because you can't really yet gather yourself around a central theme. there are so many themes. there are some things that are just small and petty. he woke up one day and decided to do something mean, and there are some things that are just enormous, almost impossible for people to wrap their heads around. people don't generally know how the government works. they don't know how many people work in the government. they don't know how many people work in any particular division of the government. they hear 10,000 people, and now it's down to 300 people in a particular agency that the agency is controlled by congress or authorized by congress. you can't really get rid of people, can't keep up with what all this even means. all we know that real people are
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likely to be hurt in very real ways, including a lot of death around the world because of the elimination of usaid, if that in fact goes away. it's just an enormous thing. and so all these little petty things, like taking away joe biden's security clearance, is just to add to all the smoke so that you miss some way, the giant grift that's going on and the giant dismantling of all these social safety nets. >> right? i mean, i mean, people freaked out, you know, about maybe losing tiktok, but the sort of impetus was to not let china have your data. but now these 20 somethings, including some who have made racist views, they have your data. so, like, do you care about that? i mean, juanita, i feel i do feel like what charles has said is important because the democrats are the other side, and i don't feel like they figured out how to handle it. they've responded with politics. this is what the democratic national committee posted today. here's what democrats did today. senate democrats held the floor for 30 hours straight, speaking against trump's omb nominee russ vought,
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who was then confirmed. the next day, house democrats introduced the taxpayer data protection act to permanently protect the american people's data from elon musk and trump. they've already got the data. nearly a 100 house democrats sent a letter to the acting education secretary demanding transparency, blah, blah, blah. they're sending strongly worded letters. they're saying they're going to hold committee hearings. they're applying normal politics to something that is far beyond politics. this just doesn't feel effective. >> it's not. and i think that's also. why you see state democrats pushing back on congressional democrats saying, do more. this is not business as usual. reject the norms. >> because if. >> state democrats, who are the ones filing the lawsuits, going to court hearing after court hearing to get restraining orders against the executive orders that donald trump is putting out there saying do more and disrupt. >> and i appreciate. >> the energy that we're seeing from younger democrats who are leading the. >> charge to these. >> protests outside of federal agencies. who are saying we need to flex a muscle when it comes to these budget negotiations in the next few weeks, not look for
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bipartisan opportunities to cooperate. >> this is about. >> putting themselves on the line in the name of the people, joy. and unless they start doing that, that checklist is not going to resonate with voters in the midterms when we know there are going to be multiple house seats up for grabs. >> but before we let you go very quickly, you wrote a book about it. just such a disruptor, shirley chisholm and this incredible event that happened in harlem. please tell us about your book and put the book back up. >> this is the moment where the first black woman to run for president, tag, teamed with the first black woman to star in a network sitcom and diahann carroll to drive change, change in how politicians engage with the people, changing the norms and assumptions about who's automatically deemed to be a qualified leader and change about the power of the people so that they have it in their minds and understanding that one. if government isn't coming for you yet, they will. and two, you have the power to push back. i think that ties into. >> what. >> i just mentioned about the young elected officials pushing back, recognizing that the power
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of the people are the only way to drive change here. and shirley chisholm tapped into that with the firm understanding that it's going to be women and young people to change the direction of this country. but man, she would tell democrats to tighten up right now. >> amen. really quickly, charles, you are leaving the new york times, august, new york times. tell us what you're going to do next. you wrote a piece about it. where do you go from here? >> well, i have been named the inaugural langston hughes fellow at harvard. that that fellowship will be housed in the hutchins center for african american research. i am really. >> looking forward. >> to working on two books that have been tickling my brain. and beyond that, who knows? >> congratulations. >> you know, do we even need to do who won the week? they want these two, these two wonderful these two, these two wonderful people won the for more than a decade farxiga has been trusted again and again, and again. ♪far-xi-ga♪ ♪far-xi-ga♪
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deep inside washington and hear from someone who's been there. you need your morning joe weekdays at 6:00 only on msnbc. >> get loud. >> shake it from your waist down. >> shake it, shake it. >> oh, she. >> got her. >> let's go. so, what you got? >> let's get it. >> well, we made it to the end of another week, which means it's time to play our favorite. >> game. >> who won the week? back with me. charles blow and juanita tolliver, a harvard fellow. charles blow, who won the week. >> i hate to be a downer, but oppression won the week. but here's the thing oppression does not have to win. and it doesn't. it never wins in the end. i appreciate all the conversation about what politicians are doing, but this resistance to this has to come from the street. it has to come from people, individual people not in
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washington, economic and political. and at a certain point, people get their backbone. they'll get their bearings and they will resist. >> amen. amen. amen. all right. juanita. besides this amazing book which i need you to sign for me. who won the week? the spirit of shirley chisholm. besides that, who won the week? >> the metropolitan ame church in washington, d.c. won the week. and it's for a karmic reason you wouldn't expect. the church was awarded the rights and trademark to the extremist white supremacist group, the proud boys, and i think that's something that's karmic, considering that people like ida b wells and frederick douglass attended services at this church. >> i love this, and it makes me so happy. and we're going to probably have that pastor on next week, so stay tuned. my answer for you on the week mustard. you know kendrick lamar won the week. he's got to like take over the super bowl i cannot wait to watch it. they not like us. they not like us. all right. thank you charles blow and juanita tolliver. thank you very much. before we go tonight, i want to acknowledge and hail up the great andrea
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mitchell. a lot of people know andrea mitchell as the legendary broadcaster who's been in this media game for half a century despite still looking young, cute, fresh, gorgeous and always fashionable. but for me, andrea has been that legend, the one who, despite her notoriety and time in this business, took the time to be kind to me. when i was a green just back from south florida, managing editor at thegrio.com, and when i did my first day side show on msnbc, and when i lost that show and became a field reporter through every phase of my time here, andrea has been the most generous, kind, sweet, hilarious, hard working, relentless and supportive person. one of the most supportive people that i've frankly ever met in this industry. she's just unique in that way. and yes, also legendary. this place will not be the same without her. andrea, my diva. we all look forward to your further adventures at nbc, and i thank you personally for being my friend. and that is tonight's reidout all in starts now.
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