n at mall were, she refused to do anything but grow and be positive for herself and her family. because i don't want them to come out of this and hate or be angry about what happened. it would be easy to be angry. it would be very easy to be angry. i don't want them to see the bad part of it. i want them to come turn that bad situation into something positive. that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. >> good morning, and welcome to. >> this saturday edition of morning joe weekend. >> let's get. >> right to some of the conversations. >> you might have missed. >> it's been a busy stretch. >> for president. >> trump on truth social. >> amid posts. >> about his love. >> for kansas city. chiefs

quarterback patrick mahomes. >> as well. >> as baseless claims. that government agencies are sending money to media outlets. >> including politico. >> which is, of course, those are simply subscriptions. >> by people who work there. >> he has indeed posted about gaza's the gaza strip again, and it's pretty newsy. he says it would be turned over. >> to the. >> united states. >> by israel at. >> the conclusion of fighting. i think some would wonder why israel. >> would have the right to. do that. he says that the palestinians. he also. >> claims that chuck. schumer is. >> palestinian. >> would already have. >> been. >> resettled in far safer. >> more. beautiful communities. >> new modern homes in the region. he says he'd be working with development teams. >> all. >> over the. >> world to reconstruct the area. and he does say this. he says. no soldiers by the u.s. would. >> be needed. >> so the white house. did really try. >> to. >> walk that back. >> a piece of his. >> proposal that. >> that u.s. troops. >> would be there to help the. >> united states, quote. >> own gaza. he has pushed he brought that back, also suggesting that u.s. money would be only involved if other countries were as well. so he has not abandoned.

>> the idea. >> and. >> joe. >> you know, we've talked about this. >> it is not. >> going to happen. >> quite simply. >> but even. >> him talking about. >> it threatens. >> to destabilize further an already very. >> tenuous ceasefire. >> in a. >> region that has been. >> a. >> tinderbox for a very. >> long time. >> well. >> he obviously decides. >> to. >> follow up. >> what he said in the press conference. >> and. >> not completely. >> abandon this idea. it's still any arab. >> ally of. >> ours. >> any arab. >> neighbor of israel's would. >> say it's a nonstarter, as would. >> most countries. >> across the globe. fortunately, we. have peter baker. here who has been covering. >> donald trump. >> for some time. >> and peter is going. >> to tell us exactly what. >> the president means. >> peter. joe, he. >> means what he says. i don't. >> know. >> what. >> you're talking about. >> just because his. >> staff comes out and says he doesn't. >> mean what he says. >> well. >> that's just another day. look, he. >> has been talking. >> about this. our reporting shows. >> with some.

>> advisers for a few weeks. he's intrigued by the idea. obviously. >> he. >> has the real estate magnate's view of the world. you know, create a little las vegas there on gaza. >> why not? >> it had not, of. >> course. >> been fully baked with the defense department. or the state. >> department or any. >> other agency that. >> would normally look at a. >> proposal of such magnitude. >> and scope. >> surprise, surprise. it had. >> not, of. >> course, been cleared even with the israelis. >> benjamin netanyahu was told just. >> moments before that. >> the president was. >> going to throw this on out there. and you saw his sort of cheshire cat. >> grin at that one. so, you know, look. >> he likes to. >> stir the pot. and what. >> you hear from. >> his allies. >> and supporters. >> is, okay, well, who's got a better idea? >> well, there's a whole. >> lot. >> of worse ideas, perhaps, but this one. >> is so out there, so out of the box. >> to use the phrase. that benjamin. netanyahu used, that, as we said in the paper, it's like he didn't even know there was a box. >> well, and again. >> our our. >> allies in the region are horrified by this and. immediately stated as much. our

enemies in the region. >> going to use this. >> for propaganda, obviously, and. >> it does. >> create an awful lot of, of unrest. >> but donald. >> trump obviously. >> knew. >> that before he said it. i think. >> though. >> one of. >> the one. >> of the big. >> wins here. >> though, is for benjamin netanyahu. and you write about this, of course, netanyahu. >> would be. smiling ear to ear. >> about this because you. have the. president of the. united states basically. >> saying the palestinians. >> should all be shipped out of. >> gaza. >> and one would assume eventually the west. >> bank and that they would have no right to their land. so talk about why netanyahu considers this, even if it's. >> just donald. >> trump's opening. bid for something that only. >> he knows. >> where he's going. >> why this. >> would. >> be considered. >> such a. >> huge win for benjamin. >> netanyahu. >> and not. quite as big of. >> a win. >> for. >> those voters in dearborn.

>> michigan. >> who thought. >> democrats were so bad on the palestinian question but. that donald. >> trump would be far better. >> sure. >> yeah. >> i mean, among other. >> things. >> of course, if. >> you're ridding gaza. >> of. >> all palestinians, which, by the way, if it's done forcibly. >> is, you know. >> international violation of international law, the convention says forcible relocations of a population like. >> this would. >> would, would be illegal or war crime. >> you know, look. >> it's a. >> way of, you know, getting rid. >> of the idea of a two state solution, a palestinian state. what's the. viable palestinian. >> state if they don't even. >> have gaza? they're certainly not going to be given. >> the west bank or. >> most of the west bank. >> so, you know, netanyahu came out of. >> this meeting, you know, with pretty much everything he wanted, very clear that trump is. >> not going to. >> push him. >> on the cease fire in terms of keeping. >> that alive. >> if it means he's not going to have a chance to keep going after hamas, which he wants to do, didn't push. >> him on. >> west bank settlements. in fact, the opposite of this new administration has rescinded the sanctions. >> on violent. >> west bank settlers that the biden administration.

>> put on. >> he's getting the weapons that were. >> held up during the biden administration. >> he got. an order signed by president trump restoring maximum pressure. on iran. so. >> yeah, it was a. >> pretty good day for benjamin netanyahu. >> now, the other side of the. >> coin is that. >> when. >> trump talks about. >> the palestinians in gaza. >> he is. >> talking about it. from a point of view. >> of a. >> humanitarian concern. >> he does say, correctly. that gaza is a wasteland, that it is a demolition site, and something has to be done. >> to provide them homes. >> his solution isn't. >> what the palestinians would want. >> but he does. talk about the gazans in terms of the plight that they are facing. with with much more. >> compassion than, let's say, netanyahu does. >> and i think that what you hear from some people is that, you know, at least he is concerned about them, but they do. >> not. >> want to be pushed out of their land. they do not want to have donald trump take it over and make it a us protectorate or something like that. >> no. and the wall street journal. >> writes. really. >> this morning, in their. >> their lead opinion.

>> about those beachfront gaza condos. of course, the wall street journal. >> editorial page rolls. >> their eyes in disbelief. but at the same time, right. critics deride trump's idea. but what are they. offering palestinians? >> and of course, they. >> suggest the. same thing that. carlos suggested earlier this morning. >> on the show that, yes, this is a. >> crazy idea, but not much crazier than turning gaza back over into the control of hamas. >> yeah. >> and there are a couple. >> of obvious questions. >> what do you do with hamas if you somehow got 2 million palestinians to leave their homeland, where would they go? first of all, when egypt and jordan have said they don't want anything to do with this idea? and then what do you do with hamas, which remains a terrorist organization that runs the region? a lot of unanswered questions. but as we just heard, donald trump digging in deeper on this idea. >> morning joe weekend. we'll be >> morning joe weekend. we'll be right back. you'll love this!

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>> on. >> the skin. it works. >> like a dream. >> why didn't someone think of this sooner? we saw. >> elon musk. >> take kind of. >> a powerful role. >> did anything. >> about how. >> he wielded his power surprise you? do you not need a. >> katrina level type. >> of. >> response that. >> is rebuilding. >> to make. >> sure it won't. >> happen again? you've obviously made a decision to resign. are there any lessons that. >> can be learned. >> as you're talking to members. >> of your congregation. >> what do you tell. >> them about how to stand up for their. own moral beliefs, but still find grace. >> in this moment?

>> welcome back to morning joe weekend. let's pick up with the conversation. >> we. >> were having just before the break. >> elon musk and his doge team continue to sweep through federal agencies, gaining more access to critical information and financial systems. the wall street journal reports. doge aides already have. >> access to key. >> payment and contracting systems at. the centers for medicare and. >> medicaid services. >> meanwhile, the washington post reports musk staffers are working to get. access to a vast federal. >> database that. >> touches nearly. >> every corner. >> of american. >> healthcare with sensitive. >> financial information about hospitals. >> physicians and other organizations. it appears the labor department is next on musk's to do list. as the post reports, doge staffers met virtually with labor staff yesterday afternoon. also yesterday, musk posted online his. efficiency team will dig. >> into. >> the nation's aviation.

>> system, claiming his team will make rapid. >> safety upgrades to air. >> traffic control. but there are some restrictions coming for the doge team and their access to information. >> in the treasury department's. >> payment system. attorneys for the justice department agreed to temporary limits late last night. this comes after. >> a group. >> of union members. >> and retirees. >> sued the. >> treasury department, alleging a violation. >> of federal. >> privacy laws. ty cobb, who served as a white house lawyer during trump's. first term. summed up the doj's. >> strategy, telling. >> the washington post, quote. >> it's a naked. power grab consistent with what trump's. advisors have persuaded him to do, which is to flood the zone with as much unconstitutional activity as possible, with the hope that they get away with some or all of it. so. >> dave weigel, you wrote a piece in december. >> which predicted. >> why republicans. >> would do just what they're doing and why they would. >> continue to support. >> elon musk. it's titled democrats warn of president elon and republicans welcome him. in it, dave writes. this

republicans. >> are operating. >> in an information space. >> where the. >> question here. should a. successful ceo run the country, not 535 members of congress. >> is obviously answered yes. this is. >> why republicans are so comfortable saying that government by musk would be the. >> will of the people. >> they don't see this. >> as. >> a clash between the elected and the unelected. they see it as. >> a clash. >> between the competent, as shown by. >> their success in. >> the. private sector and the incompetent. the latter category, consisting of elected members of congress and bureaucrats that nobody voted for. so. >> dave. >> this is being sold as government efficiency. it's being sold as disruption. it looks to a lot of people, though, like unconstitutional chaos. >> yes. >> and republicans have that rebuttal, which is what was anthony fauci who voted for him? what is usaid who voted for that? well, congress in 1961. but there are democratic answers. i was at this protest outside the labor department yesterday. they did have a minor success. as you as that

washington post excerpt pointed out that elon people saw a motorcade going by wondering if it was elon. they were they were proud members of congress, that they had stopped him from going there. but the mood at the protest. >> was not. as warm. >> as it was. >> on monday, the first usa protest. you did hear. >> a lot. >> of people in that. >> crowd. >> a couple hundred people shouting in the middle of democratic speeches. >> what are. >> you. >> going to do? >> what's the plan? >> do something. >> and some of them literally pointed over to the d.c. circuit court, which is next to the department of labor, saying, we. >> have to sue and it's going to. >> take. >> a while. and so democrats are in this position of defending. >> a slow. >> moving constitutional. >> system, slow for. reasons slow for reasons that were designed 250. >> years ago. and republicans. >> are in a very comfortable position of saying to slow. >> elon. >> elon musk can fix a company. he can fix the country. they are very. >> comfortable defending this. >> every time i talk to republicans on the hill. there is. >> really no second thought. is. >> it a. >> good idea that elon can. >> do this? they're welcome to not just give their power away or acquiesce. >> to whatever. trump wants,

but. >> to defend the idea that some things that we thought were constitutional might go to the supreme court and be struck. >> down. >> to give more power to the executive. >> that's crazy. i mean. >> so many. >> things have changed since i. >> was in congress. but i've got to put. >> that near the top. >> i'm in the house, as i said last hour, we. we. >> guarded that that that article one power, the power of the purse. we decided. >> we could. >> get rolled over by the senate or the white house if we didn't have that power. that's the only power we had. and yet they're so willing to give that up. i am i am curious, dave. i understand it does take a long time for the wheels of justice to turn at times. but when you have something that is causing immediate damage, of course we see injunctions being filed and courts. >> actually. >> moving forward with. injunctive relief to the parties that are trying to stop certain actions until they, they, they,

they get get a proper. >> hearing in court. >> i'm curious. >> why haven't we seen that happen. >> with doge yet? >> what separates doge from. birthright citizenship, which i know. is a constitutional right. >> but this is also an. >> article one. constitutional right for the house. why can't a democrat file for injunctive relief to stop what's happening at us aid from happening? >> well, there. >> are attempts to do that. the white house. >> has sort of. >> backfilled reasons by making musk a special. government employee and saying that this is possible. there are in the transition, there are beachhead teams, people who don't have administration, who come in. it takes. >> some time. >> it did the drafting and writing of the complaint, finding. a finding the plaintiff. but this. >> is why republicans. >> are very. the white. >> house. >> i should. >> say. >> and musk and the entire gop, they see that schedule. and how many people can be laid off before. >> the courts. >> adjudicate anything. so far, if you believe their numbers. on who is taking this email. buyou. offer more than 20,000 people by

the deadline at the end of. >> this week. hopefully they're hoping to get more to 40,000 if. >> that turned out. >> and i heard. >> this from people at the. >> rally, some of whom had been. >> out of work or laid off already. >> you're not. >> going. >> to get a chance to come. >> back to the job. you could sue. >> for relief. >> you could go to the nlrb, which has no quorum. >> right now, just the all of the mechanisms that that democrats. >> i should say, anyone who works for the federal government. >> or and. >> americans in general, rely. >> on a. >> you can gum them up. and it takes a. >> while to sue. the republicans are in this position ten years ago. i'm not trying to. compare the two of the two of them. >> but they were baffled by how. >> daca could happen. they were baffled by other obama. executive orders could happen. >> and it is true that if the executive. >> acts quickly, it takes. >> a long time for the other, other branches. >> of government. >> to. >> act. >> as you. >> were saying. >> in this case, the one of the branches legislative. >> might not. >> act at all because. >> it wants. this to continue. >> yeah. >> and they're certainly acting incredibly fast. >> peter, one of the things. >> that. >> i've heard from.

>> democrats is that the focus. >> in the. >> house particularly. >> is, is. >> laser focused on. >> retaking the. house back. >> in two years time. >> they're spending. >> money already. >> in districts where they think. republicans might be vulnerable. >> which is. >> early in the cycle. >> to. >> try and soften up those districts, to try to win back the house. but if. congress is abdicating its. >> power and. >> its responsibility and the power of the purse so dramatically at this stage. how much benefit can. democrats get by taking back the house in two years time? >> well. obviously still. >> better to have it. >> than not, right? better than not. >> but is what. >> i'm asking is. >> is. >> congress so. >> degraded by. >> what's happening. >> right now that it may not be the check that it was meant to be? >> well. >> i mean, of course, if they do get. >> back the house, they. >> would still have. >> to have the senate in. >> order to pass. >> anything of any consequence. right? but they could. >> be a block. >> to ideas. that that the trump administration would like to advance. but you're right. if he just sort of simply absorbs power himself and says, we don't need congress at. >> all. >> then you right. the house is. less of a. of a factor. we're going to see a real test though coming up, i think, in the

spending debate we're about to have because the republicans. >> have, we've seen repeatedly. >> over the last few years, can't pass large spending bills without. >> democratic support. >> they don't. >> they're not in that. >> mood right now. >> they're not going to say, hey. >> yeah. >> go ahead and dismantle usaid and take all this power over spending, and. >> then we'll. >> go ahead and. also go along with some sort of keep. >> the. >> government open, keep the debt ceiling rising plan. so republicans have have no margin for error whatsoever. now, they may not balk at president trump the way they balked at speaker. >> johnson when push comes to shove. but it's not. >> going to be an easy path from here to there. >> i mean, that's. >> what i have heard. >> i even had a democratic lawmaker. >> on the show. >> yesterday saying, right now, republicans. >> have given us. >> no reason. >> to. >> want to work. >> with them in the. >> way. >> that we've. >> worked with them. >> to fund. >> the government. >> over the course of the last several. >> years. >> because, of course, that's the dirty secret. >> there's 30 some. >> odd republicans in the conservative. >> wing of the house. >> republican conference who. >> never vote. >> for government funding packages. >> they need democrats. >> on this. >> particular debt ceiling increase. >> absolutely. >> definitely on. >> a debt ceiling increase.

>> but when we. >> talk about sort of the merry. >> go round. >> of reaction that we're back in on capitol hill. >> and when you see. protesters saying. >> to members of. >> congress, do something, we all know. >> that. >> congress is a majority led body. >> democrats are in the. >> minority. >> and no members of the majority want to come over. >> so what. >> is. >> there to do but. be in. >> the. golden age. >> of. >> letter writing and. press conference giving? is there anything? >> no, not much, because democrats. >> also yesterday tried in the oversight committee. to subpoena musk. >> and get some. >> some answers on what he's doing. and republicans found the votes and stopped that. they don't have. >> these tools. they're going. >> to do some shadow hearings. >> that's the thing the minority. >> party can do. they can set up a set up podium, set up microphones and raise. >> raise, raise awareness. >> which which is. >> something that doesn't. >> satisfy a lot of. democrats right now. but but yes, i don't think they're. >> going. >> to get. >> any territory. >> they're comfortable with. until the spending debate, because one, republicans. >> are not very clear. >> on how they're going to pay for any of this stuff. the math on doge, we don't need to get into that, but we're talking about cutting. >> infinitesimal parts. >> of the government and cutting

tax at the same time won't work. >> and also, there's this moral. >> hazard where democrats are looking at. appropriations process and. >> saying. if i. >> appropriate this, if i pour this sweat and compromise and get something i want and you impound it, what was the point? and so the faith is absolutely collapsed. not that it was that great a month ago, but but the faith that democrats take into this process is gone. based on the way trump and musk are acting. if they if republicans are handing all this, all this. >> power, all this plenary. >> power to elon musk, why, why negotiate with these guys at all? and you heard that after the house republican retreat gave us no clarity on what their actual plan was, that's democrats are not confident, they're not feeling good about that, but they're. very cynical in a way that's going to affect those negotiations. >> up next. >> here, how. >> the. >> democrats are. >> responding to the most controversial moves by the trump administration so far. we'll dig into all that. that's next on into all that. that's next on morning joe weekend. most people don't realize how processed typical dog food is.

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don't pledge allegiance. >> to the billionaires. >> we don't. >> we don't pledge allegiance. >> to elon musk. >> we don't. >> pledge allegiance. >> to the. >> creepy 22. year olds working. >> for elon musk. >> we pledge allegiance. >> to. >> the united states of america. >> and so i. >> want to make. >> sure that. >> my mother gets her. >> security. >> her social security check, not because she pledged his. >> allegiance to elon, but because. >> she pledged. >> his allegiance. >> to the united. >> states. >> of america. i want to make. sure your. >> neighbor gets their tax refund, not because they pledge allegiance to the billionaire class, but because they pledge allegiance to the united states of america. >> a few months. >> ago, elon musk spent $280 million to buy an election for donald trump. >> yes.

>> now, elon musk is here to. >> collect on his investment. >> yes. >> yes. >> he is here to seize power for himself. we are here to fight back. >> yes. yes. >> chris murphy, senator murphy. >> that you. >> saw. >> there will be our. >> guest at the top of. >> the next. >> hour. >> of morning joe. meanwhile. top republicans in the senate are defending musk's actions. insisting he's not in. charge and. that congress. >> will have. >> to approve any. >> major changes. >> elon musk. >> is a he. reminds me. >> of a strategist that. >> i used to. >> engage in. >> big transformation. >> projects back. >> when i was. >> in. >> in the private. >> sector, he's. >> throwing out big ideas, and if anybody thinks that all of these big ideas are going to be implemented to conclusion, they don't understand the process of disruption. he is identifying some things that i do think need to be looked at, and many of those things would require congressional. everybody's

acting like congress doesn't exist anymore. >> do you and do you and other senators know. >> what it about will. >> require congressional approval. >> to actually structurally change them? but i'm glad people are asking questions because i'm sick of people. for the last ten years i've been here looking the other way. >> actually, i think. >> he's been. >> a. >> very positive influence and lent his notoriety to raise. >> the visibility. >> of. >> the excessive spending and waste. >> and fraud and. >> the way the. >> federal government. >> does its business. obviously, he doesn't. have the authority. >> to legislate. and that's. >> going to be up to congress. but i think. >> his highlighting. >> some of these stories has been will. and has been and. >> will. >> continue to be very helpful. >> so, wait. >> i just the. >> speaker earlier. >> was saying it was. so complicated. >> and. you know. >> so they do. >> have the power. >> to approve. these things. >> what is it with these republicans. >> i can't tell? >> are they powerful? are they strong? can they hold the line?

>> can they protect. >> the constitution? >> or maybe not. >> can't tell. joining us now. msnbc political analyst. >> anand giridharadas. >> he is. >> publisher of the. newsletter the ink. >> available on substack. >> and anand. >> where do we begin? >> there's a lot going on. and elon musk, it seems that. republicans are kind. >> of tiptoeing. >> around him. >> but they. actually do say. >> when you. >> ask about. >> elon musk. >> that things actually have. >> to be approved. >> that there. >> is. >> a process. >> but you ask. >> them. >> about purges or. >> usaid or. >> all these. >> other things. >> that are happening. and it's bada bada bada bada. bada da da. >> not much. >> to say. >> so which is it? >> and is elon musk. >> getting under their skin? >> yeah. you know, i. >> woke up very early. >> this morning to come see you. and i was. >> trying. >> to think about. >> exactly what you were saying before the onslaught. right. the, the onslaught that we've been promised. >> steve bannon telegraphed they would be trying to flood.

>> the zone. >> he said specifically, they would be trying. >> to overwhelm. >> the media's capacity. and i was trying to think about what i wanted to write. >> this morning. >> about how we find that. >> signal amid. >> the noise. >> as you were saying. >> and looking. >> at all these things. >> from from. >> trade wars that are. that are, that are stupid and, you. >> know, ill advised to, frankly, the. >> ethnic cleansing. that the. >> president proposed yesterday in the gaza. >> strip to turn it into the third. >> 51st state. that he has proposed all these things. but i think one of these. >> things is not like the other. >> and i think elon musk. >> right now. >> it should be said, is waging an. >> anti-constitutional coup. >> in this country, attempting to. usurp as. >> a wealthy. >> private citizen the power of congress. frankly, he's usurping. >> some of the. president's power. >> but he's certainly usurping. >> congress's power. >> he is unilaterally trying to go in to agencies and shut them down, not advise, but go in physically into offices, secure access to information in the treasury department elsewhere

that he is not entitled to, that he does not have clearance for. and he is nobody to the american constitutional order. and yet he is trying to unravel it. and i think amid all the attentional pressures of the onslaught that. >> you that you rightly named. we need. >> to focus on this because this is an attack on the system that decides all the other systems, the system that decides whether we go to war or not, the system that decides, you know, whether people are fired. >> or not. >> this is the meta, the meta threat. and lastly, i will say, i think a lot of us. in particularly the traditional elements of the media, and. >> i, like. >> many. >> of us around the table, straddle, both. have have struggled to name this, particularly our newspapers, our old. venerable newspapers. are struggling to name this very clearly. there's a kind of old thing of, well, he proposed this and some call it this, this, this old form of. reporting a coup is a word with a meaning. we have no. problem in america describing it. when it happens in africa, we should be able to

describe it when it. >> happens here. >> so let's. >> also, of course. >> remember elon. >> musk received. >> not a. >> single vote. he has. >> not been confirmed. >> to any position. >> he has a nebulous. >> white house job. he doesn't. >> even. >> draw a. >> government paycheck. >> he's a private citizen. >> and as i wrote this week too, about him. >> the headline. >> he's president, he's acting. >> like. >> he's president. >> right now. >> that musk has been empowered. >> in a way. >> by trump. >> trump willing to. >> let musk take. >> some arrows for some criticism he might receive, but he. >> is broadly. >> reshaping the institution and destroying slashing the institutions of. >> this government. >> thom tillis said. people act like congress doesn't exist anymore. >> in this case. >> it's not. congress has rolled over here for trump and musk. we did see, though, for the first time, perhaps. in the two weeks. >> that trump has been in. >> office, democrats have found their voice. they have really pushed back against this. do you, as someone. >> who has. >> counseled them to be more active, is this something? do you think they're doing it the right way? what more do they need to be saying to call attention to everything musk is laying waste to right now? >> i mean. >> first of all, that. >> the democrats transition from

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>> it's time. >> for. >> our. >> party to. >> do three things. >> first is. >> to unite. we have to rebuild our coalition. >> we have. >> to ignore the noise. >> we have to. >> focus with. intensity on the. >> goal ahead. >> which is. >> winning elections to. >> improve people's lives. >> second. >> we need to go on offense. >> trump's first weeks. >> have shown. >> us that what. >> happens when amateur. >> hour meets. >> demolition derby, right? and at the same time. >> he's invited. >> all these. >> billionaires into the oval. office to mine. >> extract and profit. >> off of our government. >> this is. >> our time right now. >> it's the people's government. >> it's not. >> another resource. >> for ultra. >> elites to exploit. lastly. and the third. >> is. >> we're going. >> to take tonight. >> to enjoy the. moment and we're going. >> to. >> build new. >> alliances, but then we're. >> going. >> to get to work. >> joining us now, former congressman and white. house chief of staff. >> under president. >> obama, rahm emanuel. he most recently. served as the u.s. >> ambassador to. >> japan under.

>> president biden. >> he has a new piece in the washington post entitled. democrats have become the. >> party of. >> permissiveness. >> that is ballot. >> box poison. >> ambassador. >> thank you so much for being. >> with us. >> we're going to talk about all of that in a second. but i want to start by talking about something. that we're focusing on right now. and that is the purge that's going on right now inside the fbi. and the. possibility of kash patel, who has promised purges. certainly not in his not in his hearings, but before that, with the media. and with other people, the so-called deep state. >> what you. >> worked in two administrations, you've had to deal with some extraordinarily difficult situations regarding national security before. i am. >> curious what. >> what for? for somebody that has all the experience that you have, what is the impact of an administration conducting a purge inside a law enforcement

organization and focusing inward instead of looking outward at the threats from al-qaeda, isis, china, russia, iran, all of our enemies? >> yeah. >> look, i mean, this is not a pop. >> quiz. >> joe question, because we actually. >> have. >> a test case of this. prime minister. >> bibi netanyahu will be in the oval office tomorrow. >> and he. >> tried exactly this strategy. >> of going. >> after the justice department. >> in israel, going after the shin bet, the. >> fbi equivalent, and. >> it ended up with. >> october 7th, the worst. >> killing of. jews since. >> the holocaust. in world war two. >> and we know how this plays out. >> now, the. >> fbi can you can have a campaign of internal vengeance. or external vigilance. and like in israel, the prime minister was warned that his our enemies. >> are the enemies of israel. we're going to actually. >> take advantage of israel off being off guard and off its game. >> and that's exactly. what happened. >> and so here in this

situation, as you just saw. china major telecom cyber. >> attack. >> in the united. >> states. >> iran is doing the same. >> thing on cyber attacks. north korea. >> russia. >> all of that effort. >> our our adversaries. >> are not. >> letting their guard down, waiting. >> for the united. >> states to get together. >> and literally, i'm one example, when. >> you talked about the record in when i was white house chief of staff. >> a young man in the intelligence agency. picked up a word in a communication that did not make. >> sense, and. >> we all. encouraged to track it down. it turned out to be a guy. >> in colorado. >> who afterwards we found bought 12 backpacks, was and a. >> lot. >> of chemicals, and was driving to new york to blow up the subways. and we caught him in new york. >> and that was a. >> situation where either the fbi and the intelligence agencies. >> are looking. >> over. >> their shoulder, worried about. >> their jobs, worried about internal vengeance. or externally focused and bringing our. >> vigilance to. >> its highest capabilities. >> it's a bureaucracy. the justice department. >> the fbi, the. >> national security apparatus

of the. >> united states. >> it can either focus. out externally and be vigilant or internally with vengeance, but it can't do both. and i think this is going to not end well. >> and we've. >> seen it play out before. you don't this is not as. >> i said, it's not like a pop quiz. >> we have seen this before, this movie, and it doesn't end well and i don't i think this is a major, major problem for the united states. and whether it comes from russia, iran, al qaeda, isis. >> russia, north korea. >> you know, as you know, the old joke, paranoid people, they have enemies too. >> we have enemies. >> they are trying to harm the united states. this is a bad move from a national security perspective. >> mr. ambassador, good morning. let's let's turn to. >> your your piece. >> now, you. >> know. >> there has been democrats obviously sorting out, you. >> know. >> the. >> wreckage of the. november elections. we just. >> talked about the dnc elections over the weekend. >> you say, though, they're. >> running into the trap of. focusing too much on, you know, what's considered kitchen table

issues. explain what you mean. >> no, what i. >> what i said was we have. >> this kind. >> of in our mind's eye, this image of kitchen table issues that the only thing families talk about are economics. well, they talk about who their kids or what. >> they're. doing on social media, who their. >> kids are. friends are, what's going on in the neighborhood, whether it's safe in the community, what's being taught at school. there's a whole kind of what a basket of cultural. >> issues. >> and the democratic party was successful under president clinton and president obama, two democrats that not only. got elected. >> and. reelected since. >> franklin delano roosevelt, they were very comfortable. president clinton talking about adding 100,000 community police. officers versus defunding the police or calling police officers pigs. he took on the issue when it was talked about, kind of race on race, violence on. sister souljah, and got attacked for it. president obama talked about parenting and the role and responsibility of

parenting. he had protesters calling him deporter. >> in chief. >> and the same groups, therefore, that we're talking about free health care at the border. >> if you. >> crossed or using terminology that nobody identified with, those. >> were. >> character building that permitted. >> the rest of the message. >> to get heard. we have a legitimate argument. >> to. >> make about economics. this tariff war with canada is going to lead to excessive prices at the pump, because they supply a lot of energy to the united states in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. but you get hurt. you have to be good on all the issues, not just the ones you want to. >> talk about. >> now, the good news is, across. >> the. >> country, at the local level, democrats are actually hearing the message. it will eventually wash. ashore in washington, d.c. to. >> the democrats there. >> but this whole culture of permissiveness. is a political and electoral loser. and you can see it play out. >> in elections. >> locally. from mayor to local

da district attorney's races. and i think we have a case case. we have test. cases with president obama, president clinton. and you cannot look, which is. >> what the party. >> looked like. >> like the. >> substitute teacher that. >> can't. >> control the classroom where. we're actually benefiting, the kids that are shooting the spitballs. the party is bigger than any one of the constituencies. and that script got flipped in recent years, where it looks like any one of the constituencies, like at a volvo car factory, can stop the entire production if they don't like it. and that's not how president clinton and president obama not only one, but one reelection. and that's the key part of electoral politics. >> up next. emmy nominated actress julia stiles will join our conversation with a look at the movie wish you were here, which marks her directorial debut. that's straight. ahead on morning joe weekend. >> safelite repair. >> perfecting your swing is

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story. hopefully it goes something like this. tell me about us. how did you meet? >> hey. >> i'm adam. >> charlotte. >> we met at a museum. >> we laughed so hard, we almost got kicked out. >> then you. >> asked me out. and i said yes. >> we've come. >> this far. >> do you want to help me paint something? >> what? >> but we have to be quick. i've never felt so connected to anyone before. >> oh. >> let the dark have its way. >> are you okay? >> yeah, just. you're not really my girlfriend. >> trust me, i. >> wasn't confused.

>> ha! >> that whirlwind night long romance doesn't end there. and the touching new movie. >> wish you. >> were here. the film, which. >> later reveals the tragic reasons charlotte and adam's new relationship stopped before it really started, marks the directorial debut. >> of actor. >> julia stiles. and is. >> based on author. >> renee carlino's book. >> of the same name. and julia stiles joins us now. believe it or not, she is co-writer of the film as well. so great to have you on the show. thank you for coming on. congratulations on this movie. >> i'm curious. >> why you chose this for your. >> directorial debut or did. >> it choose you? >> a little bit of both. i fell in love with the book. >> it was sent to me five years ago. by an. >> actress. >> who's in the film, who. >> plays the best friend. i had. >> been looking for the right story. i wanted. >> to. >> direct for a. while and it just grabbed me. >> it was.

>> it made me laugh. >> it made me cry. >> it made me. >> laugh while i was crying. >> and i could totally picture it as. >> a movie. >> and how did it feel to be the director? you've wanted this for a long time. how was the transition? easy. tough. challenging. what was surprising about it? >> i'm hooked. >> i absolutely loved it. >> i got. on set and i was like, wow, i've. >> been in this. i've been on film sets for 25 years. >> this feels right. >> to me. >> and i just really believed in the story. i, i. >> feel like. >> we need a movie that's. >> hopeful and about. >> love nowadays. >> and. >> you know, it's gotten only deeper and more meaningful for me in the five. years since we set out to make it. it's very. >> much a. >> classic love story that these star crossed lovers, so to speak, have. >> the thing that is going to tear them apart. in this case. >> it happens to be that. >> adam is. >> sick, but it's. >> his will and determination. >> that is, i think, what sets. >> the. >> movie apart, he says.

>> at one point in the. >> hospital, he. >> says, i cannot. >> just sit here and wait to die. >> i have to do something. >> and he. asks her to. >> go on. >> a trip. >> and they do. >> so. julia, congratulations. >> i mean, obviously your filmography. is so extensive, so. but from the other side of the camera. so talk about. >> lessons you learned. >> from your time as an actor. >> to elicit. >> such great performances as director. >> i feel like i. >> did everything. >> that i swore. >> i would never do to my actors. i with the camera, you know. >> the technical stuff like where. >> to point the camera and lenses and all that, i was, i felt like i had a handle on it. but when it came to the actors, i feel. >> like. >> you know, i. >> had all these lofty. >> ideas about saying to them, you. >> know, let's, let's rehearse and. >> we'll take. >> our time and i won't. >> be. >> too intrusive. >> and let's think. >> about our inner motivation or whatever. and then when push comes to shove, you just don't have time. so it. >> was like happier, faster. >> just do it faster. >> do it. >> better this time. so the movie is an emotional. >> roller coaster. >> but there are certainly some funny moments. here's one featuring charlotte's mom, played by the actress jennifer gray.

>> i ordered pizza, don't judge me. >> why would. >> i. >> judge you? >> well, it's vegan anyway. >> if. >> that's even possible. i just figured your brother's. >> out on a. >> date. >> and we. >> we should make it like a girl's night. treat ourselves, you know. >> so you don't feel like a fomo. >> what? >> charlotte. >> i know what. >> a fomo is. i learned about it on reddit. >> i'll be right down. >> hello. >> i'm looking for charlotte. >> sure. >> hang on a second. >> is it a boy? yes. for you? >> yes. >> why didn't you tell me? i'll hide in chuckie's room. >> and when. >> the. >> pizza comes, can you please just slide. >> it under the door? >> no, mom, i need to rinse her hair out. >> i can do it. do you think. >> i don't know. >> how to wash my own hair? no. >> mom, that's not how. >> it works. it'll be fine. >> just pretend i'm. >> not here. mom. >> oh. >> also. >> i like hot sauce.

>> that's not going to go well. >> kelsey grammer. >> also part of the cast. >> and. >> so many others. >> tell us, tell us. >> about that cast. >> what was it like working. with them? >> i so. >> isabelle fuhrman, who plays. >> the lead. >> i had worked with on a movie called orphan first kill, and she i played her mom, but she was. >> a 23 year old. >> 23 at the time, playing an 11 year old. and i remember being on set while i was adapting wish you were here. and i just looked at her thinking, oh my god, this girl is so talented and she has so much stamina to be in every scene, every single day, which is what i needed. >> for. >> wish you. >> were. >> here. and then kelsey grammer i worked with on a movie called the god committee, and in his i could hear him in his dressing room when we had downtime singing opera, and i was like, oh my god, he is an amazing voice. and when he. agreed to do this movie, i had to write a scene with him singing while he's making dinner just so he could hear kelsey grammer, kelsey grammer's wonderful voice. >> jennifer gray. >> i was a fan of. and same with mena massoud, who plays adam. jimmy fells was in that clip. he

was in a movie called the last black man in san francisco, and he plays kind of the guy that her friends and family are pressuring her to get on a dating app and get over the other guy and get her life together, and he's kind of waiting in the wings and he's he's just very sweet and patient with her and not very demanding. >> so it. >> sounds like. >> this won't be your last time directing. but talk to. >> us about. >> whether you see this being part of your future going forward, but also what are some lessons you hope? what are some what do you want the audience to take away from this film when they leave the theater. >> without? i don't want. >> to say the last line of the movie, but i definitely was thinking about young women watching this. there's an appreciation for the love and care that she gives this man in his final days, and just the power of storytelling to, again, i don't want to give too much away, but i feel like, you know, it's a hopeful film, even though it will. it is heart wrenching. it's very hopeful.

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