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workforce. also, breaking elon musk's doge loses its first course fight. connecticut attorney general william tong, one of the officials behind that legal battle, is here. and new this morning, trump is now trying to take away president biden's access to classified information. andrew weissman and mary mccord are at the table. so grab your coffee. settle in. welcome to the weekend. >> breaking this morning, part of donald trump's plan to gut the federal workforce is now on pause. a federal judge has temporarily blocked the effort to place thousands of staffers from the u.s. agency for international development on leave. that's usaid. the justice department tried to justify trump's gutting of the agency by saying the president, quote, decided there is corruption and fraud. but the judge noted no evidence of such fraud was provided in court. meantime,

crews have already removed usaid signage letter by letter from its headquarters in d.c. you're watching it right there on the screen. the future of the agency's humanitarian efforts there now in limbo. joining us now is msnbc political analyst and republican strategist susan del percio. >> good morning, susan. you know, i thought that susan glasser summed this up so perfectly in her new yorker piece, noting, if cutting the federal government is what this is all about, then trump and musk would not be bothering with tiny usaid, whose estimated budget is less than 1% of the federal of the federal government. the point is not a policy fight. it's an execution. they are killing one agency to terrify a thousand others. your thoughts? >> well, that's absolutely the case because it makes headlines. this is an agency which usaid does so much good around the

world. but like a lot of government agencies, there are things that you can pick out and pull that thread and say, why are we funding something like this? and i think that's why they chose it to go after it. plus, it was also something that matches donald trump's m.o, which is if it's not about americans, it's not good for us. so he's seeking to isolate us further and use this as really a way to bluster and, and say what he's doing to cut spending. and as we know about donald trump, he just needs a fig leaf of something to say that he made. he he's done what he promised to do again with the even when it comes to the deportations, we're not going to see millions and millions of people deported. but if he could get 50 people deported, he'll take credit. >> he'll take credit. he will ruin lives in the process. and there are a lot of folks who will enable him as he does it. this headline from cbs news caught my eye. some gop officials say trump

administration's federal workers buyout program is illegal. the reason is because no one would go on the record with their name saying what he is doing is illegal, and i wonder what it will take for any of them to say with their full chest, what you are trying to pull off at these agencies is illegal, and when they get to the point where they say, what are we doing here? if federal funding is supposed to be routed through congress and you are just bypassing us, then why do i show up to the capitol every week? >> that's a great question. and for decades that i've been involved in government and politics, even the legislative side, even if it's split government tends to work together to fight for their powers against the executive branch. it's not uncommon to see that. but what we're seeing now is that the republicans in the house and senate are willing to completely fold to donald trump's will. they're buying into he has a mandate. he doesn't have a mandate. he has the slimmest majorities possible in the house. he has three. he

doesn't have 60 votes in the senate. but they are afraid. i don't know how else to say it. they have no political courage. what does it take? maybe 2026 maybe. but i'm not putting any stock in that. >> you mean a midterm where you have the voters hold them accountable? >> yeah. or. yeah. and then they become a little free once some of them get reelected, like a susan collins, for example. but at the end of the day, i still it troubles me so much to see that they are willing to abdicate the very thing that makes our country great. they are not willing to uphold the constitution. they are not willing to live up to the oath they've taken. you can disagree. disagree with your democrat counterparts, but at least fight for something. you're just simply abdicating everything. and especially in the house and the house, i actually think they're happy they don't have to take a bad vote. >> well, you know, it's interesting, susan, because in the house, i think, i think that there's just a different

calculation going on. i think about the fact that speaker johnson was one of the chief cheerleaders of donald trump during his, you know, stop the steal movement. he was someone that, you know, was on his podcast at the time talking about the fact that he's he's talking to he was talking to the president every day at that point, challenging these ballots. right? he he is a he's a he is a he was a fringe character. and it's so interesting that now these fringe characters have become a bit like now they're mainstream. mike johnson is now somebody that's like, oh, everybody likes him. he's a nice guy and i'm sure he is a nice gentleman. and i'm sure many people do like him, but his ideas are quite fringe. he is aligned with the christian nationalist movement. so that's what's happening in the house. but in the senate, i was just really struck by thom tillis, thom tillis, senator from north carolina, right, who is up for reelection in 2026. north carolina, very interesting place. some days it's purple, some days it's red. and thom tillis, way back when he wasn't

yet confirmed. thom tillis went to john thune, the leader of the senate majority, the senate republicans, and said, we have the votes. and thune told tillis, you got to take that up with the white house. and to me, it's kind of like, what do members do, particularly republicans, if when they do garner the, you know, the wherewithal and the courage to go to the leadership, the leadership doesn't back them. if i'm thom tillis, i guess it's like, well, i'm on an island. what do i do now? and obviously he ended up voting for pete hegseth, but i just couldn't imagine a mitch mcconnell leaving his members out there like that, telling them to go it alone with the white house, because i'm not going to have your back. what do these members do? what recourse do they have if the leadership is not going to stand up for them and with them? >> well, in the case of thom tillis, let's not forget the first place when it came to distributing disaster aid that the president trump went to, he went to north carolina. and i just don't think those things

can be separated. and when it comes to tillis vote for confirmation for candidates and the and the aid that was promised and the visit the president made there, the thing that is just so shocking about tillis and others is that they should know by now, donald trump will leave them on the side of the road. if there's someone else better to back in a primary. he has no loyalty to tell us. so whatever these republicans are doing, they have no, they even trump won't continue to back them. and you can't count on leadership if you're looking to back away from trump, because thune is also going to go along now to be fair, let's not forget mitch mcconnell when he was in leadership, really went along, went along to get along absolutely with donald trump. so there's no question in that. but leadership seems to be just such a horrible word to use it. maybe he's just like the herder of members because there's no leadership being demonstrated in

either the house or the senate by the majority. >> i think all of that is so. so right on point, susan. and it kind of draws me to a point as as an example, marco rubio at the state department, i've always looked at donald trump selecting him as a way to punk the hell out of him, because this is a guy i'm going to tell you. why? because this is a guy who has a core. i've known marco a long, long time, and this is a guy who always, as particularly in the senate, fought very openly about the democracy piece and how important it was for the us to use its soft power through agencies like usaid, for the us to be on the front lines of confronting the aggression of our enemies like china, economically and russia militarily. and here he is now at the state department. and

what does he have to do? he has to do what donald trump tells him to do, to do those things that go exactly counter to what he's always stood for. i give you the new york times in which it notes the bureau worked on enacting policies aimed at pressuring china to relent on its forced labor of uyghur muslims. secretary of state marco rubio has long been a champion of policies that advance human rights and promote democratic practices. in the senate, rubio was a lead sponsor of the uyghur forced labor prevention act, which had broad support from both parties in congress. but now here he is firing 60 contractors working on those very issues. those issues are no longer a priority because they aren't a priority for this president. what do you make of this? i call it the punking of republicans by trump to get them to do the things that they know they would never do otherwise.

>> well, they should have known going in, michael, that they were going to have to bend to donald trump's will every single time. they are not there to be a and to inform and to advise. they are there to carry out orders. frankly, i think he nominated a cabinet to make him 25th amendment proof if anything should really go by. that's what i think it's all about. that's it. so that way he had everyone falling in line behind him. so any values or, you know, core sense of policy that marco rubio or anybody has that went to work for donald trump, they can no longer do it because you have to carry out the orders. what's so interesting when we see those someone like marco rubio, and this is what concerns me, is that we're seeing norm breaking and we're just it's just happening. so when it happens at the next agency, oh, well, marco rubio did it. it's all of these things that are going to become normal and just accept it after

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five thai hostages have been released in the first phase of the ceasefire deal, hundreds of palestinian prisoners have been set free in return, nbc news correspondent yasmin vossoughian joins us from tel aviv. >> yasmin, what is happening right now and what are you hearing from the israeli government? i will note on the screen we are seeing a helicopter landing, i believe, at the hospital in tel aviv. and it's our understanding there is one of the hostages is on that helicopter. >> yeah. so if you take a listen, actually, you can actually hear that the chopper kind of circling where i'm standing right now. so that's ichilov hospital. it's actually where keith segal landed last weekend. i was on the air with alicia at the time, and that was the first obviously israeli american to be released. he landed at ichilov hospital. that is where ohad ben-ami is landing now in that chopper. and those images that you're seeing here in tel aviv, it is the biggest hospital here in tel aviv. he is

going to be reunited with even more family. what usually happens with these three hostages, as you mentioned, their names, and i'll walk through some of their story. they are brought across the border by the red cross. they are reunited, usually with their immediate family. they are then gone through a thorough health check before they are boarded on these three separate helicopters for three separate hostages, and then flown to their respective hospitals that were already preplanned. there were two hospitals in which these three hostages were going to. one of them, ichilov hospital, where ohad ben-ami is now landing. he's 56 years old. he was taken captive at his kibbutz alongside his wife. his wife was released after 54 days in captivity, ohad now being released after 491 days in captivity, subsequently reunited not only with his wife but with his three children as well. a obviously incredibly emotional reunion that will likely see pictures of coming out soon. the two other hostages that you mentioned as well, or levy, 34 years old. he was taken

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their fate and incredibly likely emotional moment, but bittersweet. i think, for so many israelis, because guys, when they took to the stage after being alongside the islamic militants in central gaza, they had to make speeches and they looked incredibly emaciated. they did not look well. some of the other hostages that have been released have looked like they were in better shape. these three did not. and oftentimes when they're medical, when their health is assessed, they are then it's then decided as to whether or not they're going to be taken to critical care immediately on the other side of the border, or taken to these hospitals they've been assigned to. they were in bad shape, but not bad enough to be taken to critical care. nonetheless, they had to make these speeches, and at the time, prime minister benjamin netanyahu saying on social media, the shocking images that we have seen today will not go unnoticed, referring to the condition that these three hostages are in. and you can kind of feel it here in israel, in tel aviv as well, that this

is a different type of reunion, a different type of homecoming. considering the shape, it seemed that the three of these individuals were in, and it also adds to the stress and anxiety and the immediacy of making sure that they get through. phase one, phase two, phase three, which is the quote unquote day after, because they worry obviously about the remaining 76 hostages that are still being held in captivity. one other thing i want to mention is 183 palestinian prisoners were also released, being taken to both the west bank and gaza. there is still a humanitarian crisis as we fall. well know. i mean, ongoing, obviously in gaza, they are getting the humanitarian needs that that that they have been promised. however, they are not getting the mobile homes, the caravans, the tents that they need. we've had incredibly terrible weather here over the last 72 hours or so, desperate in areas not only north of gaza, but in rafah as well, where many have evacuated to. and then there is the west bank, where there are also humanitarian needs when it comes to medical supplies, along with the evacuation of thousands upon thousands of palestinians who

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msnbc legal analyst and former fbi general counsel andrew weissman and msnbc legal analyst mary mccord. she's the former acting assistant attorney general for national security at the u.s. department of justice. they are the co-hosts of the main justice podcast. >> i want to talk about birthright citizenship, but i know the news is, are these two lawsuits on doge? >> we'll get the doge thing. don't worry. >> you're good. we'll get to the doge. okay? okay, let me jump to birthright citizenship for a second, because there are many things happening all at once. we could potentially see a ruling from a judge on birthright citizenship today or tomorrow. we are waiting with bated breath. we didn't get it yesterday. mary, you, your group represented because you're a real lawyer. so as andrew weissmann, you represented folks in the first birthright citizenship case. and i just what is the difference between that other case that you worked on and this case that we are waiting on right now, and maybe

just also your overall thoughts about all of the lawsuits that are being brought against the trump administration. >> sure. >> so there are. >> multiple cases challenging the executive. >> order about birthright citizenship. >> we all can't hear mary, including, i think, the audience. so you guys can hear. the audience. >> go ahead, mary. but apparently. >> go ahead, mary. apparently just andrew and i can't hear you, but the audience can. so you go. >> ahead and better audio. okay. that's what that's that's that's what i'm asking for. >> go ahead. >> mary 2025. >> go ahead. continue. >> go ahead mary. >> so can you hear me now? >> america can. >> okay okay. >> so there are multiple cases and some are brought like our case, by actual pregnant women whose babies would be affected by this birthright citizenship order. others are brought by the states. right. two different groups of states who who would be affected because if a number of their residents are no longer considered citizens and the federal government doesn't

provide certain benefits, that means those states are going to have to take over providing those benefits. now, obviously, the legal issues are the same. in all, there's just different plaintiffs and that those legals have to do with sorry, i was getting re hearing myself. so we still have audio issues. apologies if it's making me sound very stilted. so the legal issues are about what does the 14th amendment mean? trump's executive order would have eliminated birthright citizenship for the children of women who are here with unlawful presence. so people often think of undocumented, but also women mothers who are here on lawful presence but temporary, like a student visa, a work visa, potentially temporary protected status, maybe even people with pending asylum applications. all unless the father was a u.s. citizen or a lawful permanent resident. so that means thousands and thousands of people who who are in were in chaos, not knowing if their children were going to be

citizens, which is a huge thing. it confers all kinds of benefits and it also gives you status to be here. so what the courts have found what our case was heard on wednesday in a preliminary injunction motion. there had already been a temporary restraining order issued by a washington state judge the previous week. but that's a very temporary 14 day order. our judge ruled from the bench that there was no support in the text of the 14th amendment, the 125 year history since a supreme court case. wong king. some made clear what birthright citizenship covers. and in just the way we've treated it throughout, throughout our history. and so then we saw that repeated by the judge in washington the next day. and then we had another case argued yesterday. we're waiting on a decision on and there's another case being argued monday. >> it's on that. just one other point. symone and i were noting the fact during the break that the argument that the administration is making in this space on birthright citizenship is that the 13th, 14th and 15th

amendment only applies to slavery doesn't. so they now all of a sudden they're concerned about the application of things to things in history like slavery, so that they can make the case that those immigrants, children who are born here are not u.s. citizens. >> so that may be sort of a bigger talking point. that is not what they argued in the papers in our case. and that's not what i've seen them arguing in the papers. they're arguing in the papers. that 14th amendment applies to people born in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction thereto. and the argument the government is making is that subject to the jurisdiction thereto means you have to have 100% allegiance to the united states and not any still any allegiance to any foreign country. that's not supported by history of what that clause meant. it's also not supported, more importantly, by binding supreme court precedent in a case called wong kim ark that dates to the very late 1800s. and so. but if you took

it to what their theory then is, if you are lawfully present here but temporarily, say, on a student visa, you still have some allegiance to your country of origin, right? because you're here on a temporary student visa, but that's just made up. that's not in the 14th amendment. >> but what does that have to do with the with the baby that's born here, their allegiance to the hospital they're in. but anyway. >> and that's what our judge said babies born here. what wong kim ark says and what the constitution is, is their allegiance is to the united states of america. yeah. >> so i want to make good on our promise to get to the breaking news we have on d.o.j. this is from new york, judge paul engelmayer in a statement. the court's firm assessment is that for the reasons stated by the states, they will face irreparable harm in the absence of injunctive relief. that is both because of the risk that the new policy presents of the disclosure of sensitive and confidential information, and the heightened risk that the systems in question will be more vulnerable than before to hacking. this question of sensitive information, to me, seems to be a threat. whether

you're talking about fbi agents who are worried about having their names released, whether you're talking about the treasury department and all of our potentially sensitive information, once it is out there, there's no putting that genie back in the bottle. >> yeah, that's that is why you're seeing courts here in new york, courts in d.c. taking this action, because it's one of these things where it's like, look, we have to do it now because there is no remedy afterwards. this is something that, you know, if the public learns of this, we're done. and it's really important to remember that this is an administration that has clearly shown that public making something public to put a target on someone's back, they have already done that. so does this take doctor fauci? the administration didn't just say, we're pulling your security. they publicly announced that they're doing it. the only reason to publicly announce that is to send a message to future people and to put a target on his back. there's you would

normally do that quietly. you would not want people to know. oh, by the way, we just made this target easier. and so here, if you're at the fbi, if you are anyone with information that the treasury department has, which, by the way, is everyone who is listening to this program, everybody has that information. this is, by the way, such a repeat of trump 1.0. everyone thought, oh, you know what? they're going to have their act together. they've had so many, so much time to pull their ducks in a row or whatever expression you want to use for that. and they haven't. this is the kind of thing where you didn't need elon musk to do it. you could have done all of this in a way that wouldn't have caused judges of all sort of political stripes and persuasions saying wrong, this is really not being done right. and that's why you're seeing mary win her case. all sorts of judges all over entering these tiaras, these temporary restraining orders.

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who's been there. you need your morning joe weekdays at 6:00 only on msnbc. >> breaking overnight, donald trump says that he is cutting off president biden's access to intelligence material. trump said online that biden did the same to him in 2021. i do want to point out that president biden did so after january 6th, when donald trump was facing scrutiny for his role in the capitol insurrection. and speaking of the insurrection, the fbi has now turned over to the trump justice department. the actual names of all the agents who worked on january 6th cases, the justice department has agreed to not make the names public, but just temporarily. i

don't know andrew weissmann and mary mccord. >> so. so, mary, setting aside the whiny little baby president who's got to find retribution against his, you know, former president because, you know, well, he was criming at the time and got caught. talk us through this, this ability to get the names of the fbi agents and what what that looks like. how much how much can these agents who were involved in january 6th kind of count on this 48 hour window that they've got? and what and what what can they do? where can they go? what can they expect from this? i mean, the fact that they're even exposed right now, to me is just so galling for all you law and order republicans out there who back the blue. okay. >> so. >> you know, there is a court order now, right, about not disclosing these names. and that

was pursuant to an agreement between the department of justice and the plaintiffs in this case, the group of fbi agents and the fbi agents association. but it is now in the hands of the department of justice. and if i were them, i would be worried about leaks of that list, because we've seen already in these first three weeks various things that have been leaked out, some very intentionally. i would also be worried about, you know, that notice, you know, what's going to happen if they do say they need they want to make this public. and you know what's going to happen then. so you can't count on the fact that your name would would stay, you know, protected. and also they're worried about what action is going to be taken against them. remember, the whole reason to ever get this list of names of anybody, not just agents, but analysts, employees, anyone who did any work at all on the january 6th case is explicitly according to the directives of the department of justice to consider whether

personnel actions should be taken against these agents. so that means potentially firing them, right? so they have a lot of things have to be concerned about. one is this exposure and targeting that could lead to physical violence. but another is their jobs. and some may have done only minimal, you know, minimal work on the case. they get leads out to all the different field offices that they have to run down. and that could be the only thing that anybody ever did. >> andrew, i know you wanted to build upon what mary is saying vis a vis the fbi, so please do that. but i also wanted you to detail for us what pam bondi is up to at doj. >> sure. so i'm going to channel my inner michael steele, which is on what planet is it? is there any justification for making the names of these people public? i mean, the idea that it's, oh, don't worry, there's a 48 hour window. great. that's better than nothing. but there's no legitimate reason to ever make these names public. i mean, the idea that the department of justice went in there and said,

okay, well, we'll agree to a 48 hour period. if i were the judge should be like, i'm sorry, what about never? i mean, the idea that this is this is what's going on. there's a list of people who did their job, and we all saw the january 6th events unfold in front of our eyes. it would have been a dereliction of duty to not do something. the department of justice's view is not only should the criminals be pardoned, but the people who investigated should be under investigation for doing their job. i mean, it is insane. yes, upside down is the polite term. and so, pam bondi, something that's gone completely under the radar is something that is lawful but just insane policy. and that is she is completely i mean, let's start with making big picture, making the world safe for russia and china and other foreign adversaries to interfere in our election, have paid for millions of dollars for foreign lobbyists to do things

here without any disclosure. all of them to impose some sort of criminal penalties on sanctions. all of this has been eradicated with a stroke of a pen. she has taken away the kleptocracy unit. that is the group that looked at criminal sanctions. if you violate russian sanctions. so sanctions are really important for the united states. no criminal penalties that are going to be imposed. the election interference group disbanded. i mean, just so many different components that i read this and i'm like, this is unbelievable. this is basically saying all of those things, that and steps that we took to prevent our foreign adversaries from affecting what's happening here in this country. this is supposed to be, you know, about america first. no, this is russia first. i mean, it's unbelievable how many policies she has completely eradicated. and that has gone a little bit under the radar screen because

it is lawful, just really dangerous policy. >> the point that i think that this is a very important distinction. there are many things that are happening in this administration that are in fact lawful. there are also a lot of unlawful things going on. but the lawful things, again, it's about things that are there. what pam bondi is doing is within her purview. it is just in my opinion, and i think that andrew's and everyone's here dangerous for the united states. what about the people, the fbi agents, their union got together and they sued. and i would argue that there are potentially more suits coming. they're going to aggressively protect those agents. the labor unions have gotten together and brought suit. they were not they were unsuccessful in the in the most recent suit, they brought in terms of the labor statistics, basically, the judge said that they didn't have standing, even though they were concerned that the judges may be concerned, but these groups don't have standing. but what

about the people who don't necessarily have someone suing for them on their behalf? i'm thinking about the folks on the d watch list that's been publicized. this is people's personal information. their addresses are out there. i know many of the people on this list. they said that things have been sent to their home. they feel scared and intimidated and they don't know what to do. so who is protecting some of these other government workers? what advice do you both have for those folks who they are looking for recourse? they're unsure about what to do? >> well, i can just say, i mean, there are a number of groups that are, you know, litigating faster than i've ever seen in my life as a lawyer. and i'm not going to say how many decades that's been, but my organization is going to be filing another case next week. and we're really small. some have been filing almost every day. they're really trying to look into all of these different things and bring the legal cases that they can bring. and, and, and, you know, what's happening is terrible when it comes to this exposure. for all the reasons that andrew's been talking about, about that just outs you and targets you,

particularly the way they are talked about. the way di has talked about is this evil. right. that is the verbiage is so important here. right. because you can wipe out a program and you could do that quietly, or you can wipe out programs and do it noisily and with disparaging comments. and i want to add one other thing we haven't talked about yet, because i think it also fits in with our national security, as some of the issues that andrew highlighted, this attempt to dismantle usaid, right. usaid obviously provides humanitarian assistance around the world food, you know, health care, etc. but it also is like our ambassadors of goodwill so that when our military needs to go in for some reason or when we need that country's help or the people of that country's help, it has helped to establish the u.s. as a place that they want to help, right. and they want to protect and they want to work with our, you know, with our intelligence agents and our military, etc. and so removing that is not just removing aid,

which is a huge issue. people dying because of this aid that they're not getting. it is also really damaging our standing in the world. and there are other countries that want to step right into that mix and take that place and get that goodwill. >> china is sitting there ready to. >> go with bated breath. honey, you can catch more of marion andrew on their podcast main justice. in the latest episode, they use their backgrounds at the fbi and doj to examine the trump administration's firings at the department. this is a must listen. go ahead and scan that qr code on your screen, and you can listen today after our show is over. and be sure to follow our show on social media, our handle everywhere. it's at theweekend msnbc. >> safelite. repair safelite replace. >> nobody likes a cracked windshield. but at least you can

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make sure it won't happen again? you've obviously made a decision to resign. are there any lessons that can be learned as you're talking to members of your congregation, what do you tell them about how to stand up for their own moral beliefs, but still find grace in this moment? >> as we talk about humanitarian aid? it really struck me that in the same breath where donald trump is dismantling usaid and, you know, shutting down the border and saying, no more refugees talking about america first. in the same breath, he issued an executive order calling for humanitarian aid specifically to the afrikaners in south africa, which are the white south africans, and saying that they need to be able to come here to this country and they need humanitarian aid because they're being discriminated against in south africa, not the whites. i think the white south africans are like the least, you know,

discriminating people on the planet against, not the architects of apartheid. it just sounds like to me that what donald trump is doing is trying to bolster his argument for what he's saying here at home. you know, the basis of the argument is white people are being discriminated against. this is why you got to shut down dei, because it's not it's not it's not meritocracy. you know, white people aren't getting jobs. that's what he's saying. and look at him out here just advocating for the white afrikaners. >> yeah. well, this is clearly a nod to his boy, elon musk, because. >> i know because he is a white man from south africa. >> he's a white man from south africa. and of course, you know, the whole the whole system there has, you know, for guys like trump, they don't have a problem with it. they just never why? because they're trying to impose the same kind of system here. you know, they're giving they just want to reverse what the preference who the preference is towards. that's all. so look i saw that i laughed because you're absolutely right here. we want to cut off usaid around the

globe. but oh wait a minute. hold up. we got to take care of these white afrikaners over here and make sure that, you know, our american soft power is used on their behalf. so i don't know. alicia. >> i want to go back. did you. did you guys catch that? andrew weissman said he was going to do his. he was going to channel michael steele. who's going to do his best, michael steele. but then he just did an andrew weissman, which i love. >> i know. right. >> if you want to channel michael steele, you got to like, sit back in your chair. you got to talk directly to the camera. you got to tell people what you think. and on this fbi thing, i mean, i think part of what is so scary about them having people's information, right? not people's badge numbers, not their id numbers, their actual name is that. yes. you've had a judge come in and say, hold on that. well, that assumes there's not going to be a leak. that assumes that the person who has that information is going to be careful with that. and as i said earlier, to me, this is a thread that runs through all of these

stories. there's a lot of delicate information about social security, about your financial institutions that you want to believe is being protected. and right now they are clawing at all of that information. >> who's to say, even if it doesn't leak, they now have the information so they could do something with it. you know what i mean? like that is the i go ba tbeing very concerned for these individuals who still work in the federal government that don't have that feel like they don't have a recourse. you know what i mean? like, yes, the fbi association did sue to protect them, but they have already been exposed internally. yeah. what about what happens now? >> you guys are just missing? >> tell us then. >> michael, just just missing the most put upon. to put. she got ashy arms. >> okay? >> you're missing the most put upon part of this process. the most affected by all of this. i mean, the earth shattering news is, is not the releasing of

names at the fbi or cutting off usaid aid? no. the most shattering and most important thing that donald trump has done this week was make himself chairman of the kennedy center board, because, damn it, he is so culturally inclined, and he feels that as president of these united states, he should be the chairman of the arts. i love it. the man ain't been to a play since plays were invented, but yeah, now he's going to be in charge of the kennedy center. because, ladies and gentlemen, that's what our president of the united states gives a damn about. the fact that he wants to own the culture. he wants to be able to look america in the eye and say, how you like me. now, i'm chairman of the board of the kennedy center. >> he said that there were too many drag shows last year. i would drag shows. i never attended a drag show at the kennedy center, but i have attended some amazing ballets like the alvin ailey.

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