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happiness for healthiness again. get 50% off your first box at ollie com. >> welcome back to the weekend. donald trump is enabling first buddy elon musk to wreak havoc all across the federal government. so much so that time magazine just placed musk on its cover, with the unelected billionaire sitting in the oval office instead of the president, which is probably how it should be. this, of course, is a mess of donald trump's own making. he's the one who signed off on musk government intrusion. as i wrote in friday's msnbc daily newsletter, quote, if trump wants to run the government like a business, we must remind everyone that he is the ceo. every mistake from now on should be placed squarely on his desk.

trump has to account for it. joining us now, msnbc political contributor and white house correspondent for politico, eugene daniels. he is the current chair of the white house correspondents association. and he is here at the table. >> you know, eugene, i agree wholeheartedly with chairman steele, because democrats have put this, i think, outsized focus on elon musk. and it allows there to be some separation because then it's elon musk and it's not donald trump. and so when donald trump gets tired of what elon musk is doing, he just washes his hands of it and say, oh, it was elon, not me. but in a lot of these, we were just talking about these rulings last hour, the judge that halted access to the treasury payment system by elon musk's team said the trump administration's new policy of allowing political appointees and special government employees access to these systems. make makes it more vulnerable than to hacking. like the trump administration's policy, the judges are not distinguishing

between trump and elon musk. it is all donald trump. >> well, because what's. >> done in the president's name, especially when they know it, no matter who the president is, is it's on you, right? i was. >> in the. >> press conference yesterday with the japanese prime minister where president trump was asked about this, and they asked him, is there basically anything that you would tell elon musk not to touch? he went. >> in and. >> said that the pentagon and the military were next. that's where elon will be looking. the education department is also on that list quickly. >> but he also. >> said, i point out a place and i tell him to go. right. and so something about donald trump is that he wantsth whether it's a r someone like elon musk or even ceos that aren't, you know, working with the administration, that they are doing things at his behest because of how powerful and strong he is. right. that is the kind of aura that he likes to have in the world. and so he wants people to know that he is telling elon musk to do things and that he's not running around willy nilly. right. so that does mean that

whatever ends up happening is donald trump's responsibility at some point. elon musk will not be doing, you know, is likely not going to be doing this doge thing and whatever consequences 180 days special government employee. >> exactly whatever. >> consequence or good things happen, you know, after that, those are going to be the. >> trump administration. >> on the. >> trump administration's watch. >> and that is what you know, i think donald trump understands that. he was asked about the time magazine cover. he said it was fine, but we all know. >> it wasn't fine. >> we all know. >> we all know. >> trust me. >> it wasn't fun. i mean, those are. >> the kinds. >> of things. calling him. >> prime minister. >> which happened yesterday, time magazine, that is going those are the kinds of things that turn donald trump off of the people that he's working with. ask steve bannon, he doesn't want to look like a puppet. and so that is something that we should all be watching, is whether that relationship changes at all. >> or a puppy once. either one. >> just to underline bold what symone said, her framing about the way that the democrats have chosen to message around this. i want you to take a listen to

what what minority leader hakeem jeffries had to say. >> why does elon musk. >> and his. >> minions need access to the names, social security numbers, addresses, birth dates, and bank. >> account information. >> of millions of americans? what we are seeing unfold. is an unlawful. power grab by. a unelected and unaccountable billionaire puppet master who's pulling the strings of house republicans, and apparently the trump administration. >> so on one hand, i think they do a good job there of setting the stakes for americans who are not fbi agents or maybe who are not super invested in what is happening at usaid, to say, just like this is your personal information, do you really want it out there? and at the same time, you know, there is going

to be a headline at some point, this administration is going to take credit for the fact that they have made these cuts. they are going to say that they have saved the american people money with no regard for what has been sacrificed in the process. how, then, do democrats contend with that victory lap? >> i think right now they're clearly not sure how to do it, but they're going to have to chew gum and walk at the same time, right? they are talking about kind of this takeover as they've been putting it, of the federal government and definitely of the federal bureaucracy. and they they probably can and should do that. but they also have to talk about the reasons that they lost in 2024. right. they have to talk about, you know, if you're doing this, you're not doing that. that's what every democratic strategist i talked to who's behind the scenes is saying the elected leaders are doing something else, right. they're going to these rallies. they're they're chanting, kind of giving everyone kind of cringe worthy moments. but that is not what's going to get the american people

back on their side, right? because the american people voted donald trump in largely because they wanted him to do some of this. right, like project 2025 had a lot of this, and you guys talked about it a lot on this show. we talked about it in playbook. people covered it. he talked about the kinds of things he wants to do on stage. you know, elon musk and vivek ramaswamy when he was a part of this, talked about it as well. and so it shouldn't be a surprise that these things are happening. and i was talking to a strategist earlier this week, and they said they're just surprised that the democrats elected democrats especially, didn't have a win loss scenario on project 2025 that when you do campaigns, you always have a what's going to happen after i win and what's going to happen after we lose, and how do we provide ourselves and put ourselves out as the opposition and democrats seemingly have not been able to do that? but there is there's rumblings under theee strategists and the people behind the scenes. it'll bubble up eventually. but, you know, i think democratic voters that i

talked to are getting frustrated because they feel like they're kind of out there on their own. >> i will just note the house democrats did announce a plan to introduce a bill titled the taxpayer data protection act. >> okay. >> so it's important. >> to. >> note that. >> oh, okay. >> like i said, moving on. >> yeah. >> that's cuz. >> that legislation. we need. >> right now. >> it's working. look, this is time. put this in context for me, that cover on time is not just a one off cover. it is it is a statement of the moment. right now. we joked some of us and but others like myself, more seriously, noting that this the setup in this administration right now, donald trump has ceded power to elon musk. elon musk has run with that power. probably more so. by the way, is jd vance still vice president of the united states? i just checking.

>> so he's defending people who have posted online very hateful things about that's. >> right about indians. he's making. >> saying that they should still have jobs. >> so he's raising his hand and saying, i'm still i'm still supporting the racist. >> his wife is of indian. >> his wife is. >> that's what. >> i. thought she was doing. that's that's right. so maybe that's a household conversation he should have. but observatory hill, i don't understand. >> no, she knows what she's married to. this is we can't speak. >> for her. we can't speak for her. but they know that, quote, no single private citizen, certainly not one whose wealth and web of business are directly subject to the oversight of federal authorities, has wielded such power over the machinery of the us government. i think americans need to stop and really focus on the fact that right now, this government is not being managed or run by either trump or j.d. vance, but elon musk. having said that, though, the important thing to recognize is that whatever he

does sits on the resolute desk. it sits right there at the feet of donald trump. it piles up around his ankles, his knees and his waist because that ish is on him. how come we can't seem to get people to report that? >> i think that people have. he always does this to me. >> yeah. he does. he's like, he ain't. >> every time. every time. i think that people are. i think that there's so much incoming by design that it doesn't break through. right. i think, you know, we covered usaid a lot this week. a lot of folks covered usaid and what's going on over there a lot this week. and, you know, something that someone within usaid told me that we put in playbook was that this is the richest man in the world, making it difficult for the poorest folks around the world to get what they need. right. that is, and i think that's the messaging that is sometimes missing from the democratic conversation. right? they're talking about elon musk as an oligarch. that is a that

is a sat word that not every american who is dealing with the price of eggs or trying to pay rent or buy their first home understands and understands what that actually means. and that's where they're kind of missing. missing the mark a little bit is that aspect of it. i think what's probably more important at times is that in that, in that building behind us, their job is to serve as a check and a balance on whatever the executive branch is doing. and there are republicans. i've talked to republican elected officials back there who have who have said they're kind of hoping that the courts work this out and they don't have to take on donald trump. you have susan collins. >> lying on the court. lord help me. >> you have susan collins, who's, you know, one of the biggest appropriators in the senate, saying that she's worried that elon musk has gone too far, but then, like. and then what? >> help us. >> help us. >> of course. no. but look, the courts this week are the one thing that have stopped some of these things from moving forward. >> yes. and with no thanks to the members of congress. right.

with all thanks to the outside groups that have done the work, who have taken up the mantle, like public citizen litigation team, like democracy forward, like mary mccord's group. >> go ahead. >> you take 90 days to build a habit. okay. and we and america has about 90 days. this these people in that building in the capitol have about 90 days to assert their authority as a co-equal branch of government, or i don't really know if they're going to be able to get it back. >> i think that calls for a countdown clock in the corner of the screen, so we know which day we are on. eugene daniels tiktok always thank you for being with us next. democratic state attorneys general are fighting the trump agenda, and they're starting to notch up victories. connecticut attorney general william tong joins us in just a moment. you are watching the moment. you are watching the weekend on msnbc. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now...

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sensitive records at the treasury department after 19 democratic state attorneys general sued the trump administration over musk's musk's access to that personal financial data. with us now. one of those ags, william tong of connecticut. good morning sir. >> good morning. >> thanks for having me. >> attorney general tong, i'm wondering, how did the state attorney generals come to the democratic state? attorney general's come to the decision that you all needed to sue? how did how did you essentially put this suit together? >> so, as you know. >> we're ready for. >> this moment. we're ready. well, before donald trump got. >> reelected. i was here for 1.0. >> i've been attorney. >> general for seven years. and so. >> i'm here. >> again for 2.0. and we know as state ags. simone, you referenced that outside groups outside of washington have to take action. i think we've demonstrated time and time again that state attorneys general are the first and last line of defense. elon musk and his tech bros and their access to the

bureau of fiscal services and the treasury department's central payment systems represents the largest data breach in american history. and so we had to sue. we sued last night, 5:00 6 p.m. we got a temporary restraining order this morning blocking him. but this is just the start of that fight. >> general, the moment is dynamic because as we were talking about with eugene daniels just now, it is a lot of different things happening at one time and trying to take the focus of state officials, federal officials, the news media off of some of the underlying actions that really impact the american people. and specifically referencing this this attack on birthright citizenship. attorneys general have filed a lawsuit against his trump's bid to end it, noting the plaintiffs are bringing this action to protect their states,

localities and residents from the president's flagrantly unlawful attempt to strip hundreds of thousands of american born children of their citizenship. citizenship based on their parentage. talk to us about and help people understand why. yeah. you know, we are concerned about trump and elon getting into treasury and information and all these other things. but why this strikes at the heart of what our country is all about, and why this really does matter, to stop this effort to eliminate birthright citizenship beyond just the constitutional idea, you know, it's unconstitutional. we know it's in the constitution, but it's there for a reason, because it says something about who we are as a nation. >> without birthright citizenship. michael, i'm not sitting here right now. my parents were not yet citizens when i was born. they came to hartford, connecticut, bloomfield, connecticut, actually, of all places, with nothing. and they work seven days a week, 12 to 15 hours a

day. they worked themselves sick. so that i would have every opportunity in this country. and if they didn't know that when i was born in hartford, that i would be an american by right of my birth on american soil, they wouldn't have been able to put everything they had into me and my sisters and sign a lease and open a chinese restaurant and build a business and put everything they had into our education. this is true for so many millions of americans, not just in the past, not last year, not ten years ago. right now. that's what gives me hope, frankly, because this is still happening across this country. immigrant children are given a chance because this place america gives us, gives us the best opportunity. and our parents knew that. this country knows that. you know, who knew that? ronald reagan knew that. and he gave a famous speech about birthright citizenship and how he understood it to be part of our essential character as a nation. >> general tong, you have been such a fierce defender of

immigrants in your state and across this country. it's why it struck me that you have us ag pam bondi pausing the distribution of all funds to jurisdictions that don't let the federal government use local law enforcement resources for federal immigration enforcement. in essence, if i am understanding you have a republican d.o.j. defunding the police. am i getting that right? >> yeah, they're defunding health care. they're defunding education. they're defunding children. they're defunding the disabled, and they're defunding the fbi and the police. donald trump, pam bondi, kash patel, defunding the police. and it makes all of us less, not just less safe, unsafe. you know, what are they going to do with with with an fbi that has half the manpower that it should have for the next terror attack? right. the next major data breach or hack, what are they going to do to protect the american people when they have so defunded and undermined law enforcement in this country?

never mind what they did with the with the pardons on january 6th. >> general tong, another question for you about a different suit that was brought united states, different states across the country have now told a judge that donald trump is not fully following the order to block a funding freeze. this is from reuters on thursday. we'll read a little bit from this reuters report. the temporary restraining order judge mcconnell issued on january 31st was very clear. they write that no funding should be paused. yet state agencies have not been able to access that money and are being told that funds are frozen. judge mcconnell, who was appointed by president obama in 2011, talk to us about this, because this this funding freeze, if you are a fellow in a program, right, that your scholarship money comes from the federal some some program in the federal government, your funds are now frozen. if you are a head start program, right. the funds are frozen. and they're saying these people in the states that i've talked to are

saying that there's a promise that the money will come, but they're unsure of when. what can you tell us about this? >> yeah. let me thank new york and tish james and peter neronha, rhode island. and, you know, there's this sense that the president is flooding the zone. well, democratic aides are flooding it. back yesterday, friday, i was in federal court in boston on birthright citizenship. and then later in that day, we filed our motion to enforce on this funding freeze case. and then, of course, later we sued to stop elon musk and his tech bros. but in many ways, this funding freeze issue is the most dangerous. and you know who's feeling it the most? red states. red states are by far the greater takers of federal funding, particularly on education, for example, and law enforcement support. and you saw how quickly they rolled back that omb memo and claim to rescind that memo. it's because the phone started ringing off the hook. right. and my colleagues in red states said, wait a second. what are you doing? why is the red state? why

is the head start payment portal closed? why is the medicaid payment portal closed? and the reason why this is this is so dangerous is because we've got a we've got a very broad tro out of federal court in rhode island that says freeze. you've got to stop all of your attempted pausing of federal funding. you've got to stop your freeze across the federal government. and we have proof that they're not complying. so this raises the question, what happens if we have a court order and donald trump and his minions don't comply? that's called a constitutional crisis. >> general, we we've got less than a minute left. but i do want to get your thoughts on the last point. you just made the constitutional crisis, because that's where all of this is headed. our buddy david french wrote a great piece in the new york times talking about what trump is doing here at the constitutional level, which is

remaking the constitution real time as we speak. there's no constitutional convention here. there's no gathering of conversation around what the constitution should look like, what are your thoughts and what we see happening to the constitution right now as you're out there every day having to deal with the ramifications from it? >> yeah. you know, at the end of the day, this is the problem with the birthright citizenship case and so many other issues and actions that donald trump has taken. you cannot amend the constitution with a stroke of a pen. you cannot do it without congress. you cannot do it without the states. he is not a king, and he is trying to act like one. right? the 14th amendment is clear. if you're born on american soil, you're an american. period. if this remains a legal and process fight, i like our chances. and that's why it's so important that we keep the heat on pam bondi, that we keep the heat on omb, that we keep the heat on the president, that we moved to

enforce a court order that says pens down. you cannot freeze federal funding. we have to keep them within these guardrails. and the rule of law. >> all right. connecticut attorney general william tong, thank you so much. and continue the hard work, my friend. next project, 2025 is officially a part of the trump administration. who knew? i did. did you see that coming? i didn't see that coming. this is the weekend. >> legal eagle. >> and doug. >> you'll be back. emus can't help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. you're just a flightless bird. no. >> he's. >> a dreamer, frank. >> and doug. >> well. >> i'll be. >> that bird really. >> did it. >> did it. >> only pay for what you need. reimagine exceptional with the 2024 buick envision.

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regime he believes has long stifled conservatives, and shake the very foundations of american government he believes has been captured by an administrative state. >> look, guys, we knew this was coming. we talked about it for almost a year before it happened. everybody put their head in the sand and pretended as if it wasn't going to happen. they believed the crap coming out of trump's mouth that he didn't know what this was. and now they're running around this town and around the country going, wait a minute, hold up. can he do that? how can he do that? well, they laid it out at 900 pages for you folks. >> they laid it out in 900 pages. and i actually thought there's something very particular that he wrote in the section about the omb director, because, reminder, he is both the protagonist and the author of this. he wrote about this role, omb director, though some mistakenly regard it as a mere paper pushing exercise. the

president's budget is, in fact, a powerful mechanism for setting and enforcing public policy at federal agencies. this is not just about cutting waste, right? this is not just about spending. this is actually about taking the powers of congress and moving them to the executive branch. that's what they're doing. >> yes. well, they referred to it as a unitary executive, and that was a term that previously i only heard in some of these, you know, extremely conservative right wing circles. but i have heard journalists, mainstream journalists over the last couple of weeks actually use the term that, oh, this is what the trump team is trying to institute. they believe in the power of a unitary executive. and i just i think the language that we use is important. and this idea that the president is over everything and they have this expansive authority actually flies in the face of, you know, our

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>> i would have just walked through the door. i mean, i don't understand. democratic members of congress were denied access to the department of education building in d.c. on friday. they were trying to meet with acting education secretary denise carter. now the denial comes as trump has made it clear he wants to eliminate the department of education completely via executive order. but folks, let's keep this honest and real. a president cannot abolish a federal agency without the approval of the united states congress. here's how trump responded when asked about those democrats fighting for answers. >> they don't love our country. they don't love our country. we want great education. >> that's a boneheaded answer. it has nothing to do with the process that he's put in place. it's not about the love of country. democratic congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania joins us now. i'm sorry, congresswoman, she serves

on the house appropriations committee and is a former educator. i am just so frustrated. >> good morning. >> good to. be with you. >> good. >> good morning. >> what is he doing? what is he doing here, congresswoman? >> he's continuing what we've seen for the last 20. >> days. >> which is just a dizzying, disorienting, destructive set of motions. the point of it is the chaos and the fear. and so we stood. i was with that one. that was maxine waters as part of a team that had been protesting what the president and this chaotic administration are doing. and part of what they're doing is to try to take us off the focus of the rest of our lives. i wanted to just start today by saying, i recognize that three more hostages have come home. the point of the trump administration is to take us off the important things going on around the world. so i want to say, please, god, bring

more home. and i'm delighted three more came home. i also want to tell you about my constituents i have never seen in the six years i've been in congress. my phone is ringing off the hook with a universal cry for my constituents. hundreds and hundreds of calls saying, what is going on? i don't recognize our country. what is this administration doing? the point of it is to disrupt. you know, we saw in project 2025 the very first sentence of the chapter on education was to dismantle the education department. the point is to sow fear. the point is very orwellian. it is to reduce the education of our citizens so that they can control thought. we will all stand in the way of this. democrats are unified to stand in the way of it. and so i'll be there. i'm a teacher at heart. i taught at la salle university for ten years. the mission of la salle, the patron

saint of teachers, jean baptiste de la salle, was to educate the working poor. we have that mission here in this country that all of our citizens get a fair and equal education. donald trump, elon musk don't want that to happen. >> the us department of education employs approximately 4400 people, has a $68 billion budget, according to the agency's latest data. a lot of people will be affected by this. congresswoman, you say that democrats are going to you're going to stand firm. you're going to work to block it. what exactly can democrats do and what are they going to do? there are some people that have been critical of what we saw from you all this week in terms of the, the, the rallies and standing outside of the agencies attempting to gain access. there are other people that say, okay, great, we're seeing a little fight, but what else? so give us a little bit of the playbook here. >> well thank you. and that is

the central question that people were asking me, calling me about or emailing or texting me what i think is the framework is what you've seen. number one, we are litigating. you've seen dozens of cases brought very successfully to put temporary restraining orders on some of the outrageous things that elon musk and trump are doing together. and so we'll continue to robustly litigate with a strategy to use the courts to protect american citizens against these unlawful attempts at taking. that's number one. number two, you're right. we are democrats in the minority, but we still have a legislative role. our legislative role will be to introduce legislation. much of it won't get passed because they won't bring it to the floor. the republicans won't bring it to the floor, but we'll do oversight. but the third thing i have told my constituents, and they were happy to know this, is that their voice matters. so the third prong of this mobilization

of citizens, i am certain that the republican frees the trump. musk frees on federal spending was only two weeks ago. it's hard to believe was turned around, reversed and rescinded, though not fully in 48 hours because of citizens voices. sure, we all made statements. we will continue to do that, but it is citizens voices who are going to turn this back. >> congresswoman, talk to us about what the abolition of the department of education actually looks like. republicans, since the first reagan administration have been really hankering to do that. but reagan never did it. bush never did it. and there were reasons for that. when you consider, for example, example, average federal spending in the 2122 school year was 17% and trump voting states, compared to

11% in states that voted for kamala harris at 23%. mississippi had the highest proportion of federal public school funding that school year, with south dakota and arkansas following with 22% each. per usa facts, new york is at 7% the lowest, so abolish the department of education. what happens to education in the united states for the poor? >> that's exactly the issue. what happens for education for the poor? you saw during covid, for example, how so many of our school districts were struggling. i was proud that democrats and joe biden put forward massive investment in our schools at the federal level that went to the states. it was very meaningful for pennsylvania, for my district, where our school districts are not equitably funded, we have to make sure that we more equitably fund our school districts so that kids in one zip code or

three zip codes get the same thing. it's interesting you point out red states versus blue states. and i ask my republican colleagues, do you want a disinvestment in your children's education, in your family's education? literally, what is it going to mean? it's going to mean that more often children who are poor, whose families are struggling and are poor, children of color, marginalized pockets around our country will get less. children with disabilities will get less. we make great progress in this country when we try to level up our education system to take it down. it literally is out of 1984. george orwell warned about this. when you reduce the education of your citizens, they are less able to think and then their thoughts can be controlled. we will see privatization of schools for profit. as betsy devos and

others wanted to do, and we will see a less educated electorate. i have to say, though, i know so many good teachers, so many good administrators, and so many families who will not stand for that. >> and those administrators and those educators have been put in an absolutely untenable position in the wake of these cuts. just real quick, i'm not going to make you listen to sound of the president saying this, but there was something in his remarks yesterday that i think is worth highlighting. i like choice, we all like choice, but beyond choice, long beyond choice. i want to see it go back to the states. what does that even mean? operationally? >> i have no idea. but the president does not make sense often. >> does he? >> no. he doesn't. >> but an evergreen answer. >> i guess i'll leave it at that. >> congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania, we see that jersey behind. >> you. >> flying the eagles fly the eagles, baby. >> so birx. >> we got much more ahead. this

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trump has always told you what he wants to do, and he tells you because he doesn't think you can stop him. and so it was very important to understand what leveling up project 2025 was all about. keep in mind they backtracked on project 2025 because they got called out on it. if no one had focused on a 900 page policy paper, trust me, right now you'd be going, everybody be going where? what project? 20 but you knew. you knew you had it. >> taraji p henson tried to save the republic. >> she tried to tell us at the bet awards. >> there you go. and everyone blew it off because they didn't want to believe that a man in the oval office would do something like that. but when you don't have any regard for the oval office, you don't have any regard for the position of the presidency. when you want to remake it in your own image, this is what you do and this is how you do it. so yes, think about what this country looks like with no education, no, no

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