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recovery mission now underway in western alaska after the wreckage of a missing commuter plane was found. the bering air cessna was discovered friday about 30 miles from its destination nome. search crews found three bodies inside the wreckage. seven others are presumed dead. the plane vanished from radar moments before its scheduled landing thursday. a big name change for the boy scouts of america goes into effect today. it's now known as scouting america. that change coincides with the organization's effort to be more inclusive. after permitting girls to join in 2019. in our next hour, the most popular article on msnbc.com. it's about why elon musk wants to control treasury department payments. the author joins me in moments. good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. we begin with a flurry of legal roadblocks facing the trump administration in its effort to bypass congress

and rely on executive action to shrink the federal government. a federal judge friday blocked the white house department of government efficiency from sensitive treasury department payment records after a lawsuit filed by 19 states. another federal judge paused the administration's plan to place thousands of usaid workers on forced leave. here's part of a report from nbc's aaron gilchrist. >> when you look at usaid, that's a that's a fraud. the whole thing is a fraud. >> unions representing the workers sued to block the order, saying president trump doesn't have the authority to stop the agency's work. >> distance doesn't move from a warehouse. into the mouths of hungry people by magic. it moves because brave men and women put themselves in really difficult circumstances in order to move that food. >> during a friday news conference, trump also answered questions about the list of all fbi agents involved in the

january 6th investigations demanded by his justice department. >> i'll fire some of them because some of them were corrupt. i have no doubt about that. >> a third federal judge signed off on an agreement barring the trump justice department from publicly naming those fbi agents. president trump says they're under investigation. also new today, trump announced he's revoking former president joe biden's security clearance, adding biden, quote, could not be trusted with sensitive information, end quote, and that biden did the same to him. trump also said he's appointing himself the new chairman of the board for the kennedy center for the performing arts, saying it held drag shows targeting youth, adding, quote, this will stop. we've got reporters and analysts ready to discuss all these new developments for us, and we're going to start with white house correspondent yamiche alcindor. yamiche, my friend, welcome to you. so what did we learn this week about the relationship between elon musk and president trump? >> well. >> good afternoon, alex. >> what we saw this week.

>> of course, was. >> elon musk. >> and doge really. >> flexing its. muscles and do things like try to mass fire a number. >> of people at. >> usaid, but also set their targets on future departments. >> like. >> the department of education and the department. >> of defense. >> and in all of this, what we saw was also elon musk, in some ways, being told by a number of people that he looked like he was co-president. and we saw a number of criticisms from president trump with, i should say, criticism of president trump, saying that he didn't have the authority and the power that elon musk had. now, president trump really pushed back on that, saying that, in fact, elon musk is not a co-president. whatever he is doing, he's doing it because of the authority that president trump is giving him. but that did not stop democrats, including congresswoman ayanna pressley, from really critically criticizing elon musk and the work that's being done. so take a listen to. >> some. >> of the. >> sound that we had. >> from this week. >> but he's a great he's a great guy and he loves the country. and he's wanted to do this for a long time. if he could have done

it himself, he would have done it himself. >> you know, they're not centering the american people. and i'm sure trump's fragile ego had a problem with elon musk on the front cover of time magazine there. but he's operating as a as a co-president, and he was elected by no one. >> okay, everybody, i understand we unfortunately lost the live shot there with yamiche alcindor at the white house for us. we'll get her back. but we are joined right now by nbc's julia ainsley, who joins me on the phone with the latest on the administration's immigrant deportation action. so, julia, in this new exclusive report that i referenced earlier, you reveal president trump is angry, the number of deportations so far isn't higher. so what can you tell us about that and about the administration's plans to restart the detention of migrant families? >> that's right. alex. >> we understand. >> that. >> trump has been angry visibly so, as well. as his. >> border czar, tom homan, we've heard that he is unhappy and has made his unhappiness known. >> to the men and women.

>> of ice. >> and the senior leaders at. >> ice that they want to get. arrests and. deportations of. >> migrants higher. for context. we saw. >> this. >> week one of the highest days they arrested over. 800 migrants. it also. >> fell to about 300. one day. that would be getting back into the level. >> we. saw under. >> president biden, and the most. >> that. >> ice has arrested in a single day. >> was around 1100. >> but to get. >> to the millions and millions. >> that trump. >> promises in his. >> inaugural address. >> they would be. >> having to arrest over. >> 2800 immigrants. >> a day. that just. >> hasn't been. >> possible so far, even. >> with all of the men and. >> women that they've contributed from other law enforcement agencies across the justice department. >> like the. >> fbi. >> the dea. >> and atf. >> they just haven't gotten those numbers as high. >> part of. >> it is funding. >> that gets to. >> the. next thing about families. >> we understand that they are now going to be sending out contracts for private prison companies to bid to reopen places. >> that. >> have. >> previously stopped. >> under the biden administration, and that was to detain migrant families. so it could be that among those. >> numbers of arrests.

>> that we've seen. >> so. >> far, it's been at least among the ones publicized, mainly single adult men, we could start to see some families. there are some families that we understand tens of thousands in the united states who do have final orders of removal. that means they've been ordered deported by a judge, but they haven't left. >> those could be the first. that we see as. >> they reopen these family detention centers, because that's where they be held before they're deported. and lastly, alex, i will say we did this week get to speak to the. president of guatemala and had cameras in guatemala where migrants were being deported, that the president of guatemala has agreed to take back migrants who aren't even from guatemala, as part of an agreement he reached with marco rubio this week. but here. >> let's take. >> a listen to what some of the guatemalan migrants are saying after they've been deported from the united states. >> va a seguir siendo si. >> solo pienso arreglar el pais de mis hijos y lo voy a ir para tras porque si yo voy buscando ellos y lo mismo. see me on me pueden meter de un ano. asi la

sentencia y eso no no es justo. >> so alex. >> you can see in the case for a lot of these migrants, they can be confused. a lot of people are being deported back to countries they haven't called home in years, sometimes decades. but this is part of the publicity push that the trump administration wants to have. they've called it shock and awe. some have even referred to it as days of thunder, of what we could expect to see from ice and immigration arrests in the first days of the trump administration. so far, obviously, we've seen a lot of pictures of raids and. >> of course. >> migrants being even taken to guantanamo bay. but apparently trump wants more, and he's upset that they're not doing more to make good on his campaign promise. >> julia, quickly, as i'm looking at your article, the details. karnes, texas. dilley, texas. those are the two places where migrant families would be housed in previously established buildings. just give me an update. are they ready to take in migrant families at this point? how long would that take

to get them ready? >> you know, they they are ready in a lot of cases. one of them, dilley, was run by corecivic. that's a private prison group. they have maintained that facility. and there are actually a lot of people in that town who were put out of work when that closed, who could come back. if they're able to get people to come back to that area. the other one, karnes, which holds the most, is run by geo group. that facility is already being used to hold over 900 ice detainees right now, and so they would just be a matter of making space in another part of the facility for families, because the way families are held, alex, because of a federal court settlement, has to be in much different conditions, especially when they have young children. they even have schools sometimes in these ice detention places, they have play places, really different settings. and these companies would then have to get those detention centers up to those standards in order to bring in these young children and young families. >> okay. it is exclusive reporting and it's great from you. julia ainsley, thank you so much. joining me now we have tara setmayer, former gop

communications director, now co-founder and ceo of the seneca project, along with julian castro, msnbc political analyst and former secretary of housing and urban development. it's good to see both of you. so, tara, the guardian reported google searches for immigration operations now turn up ice press releases on raids from years ago, which have had their timestamps updated recently. so give me a sense of why it's so important that they make people think the number of arrests and deportations are higher than they actually are. >> alex. >> this is extraordinary. this is really orwellian. 1984 level propaganda and manipulation. >> of information. >> donald trump has put his made his entire political career about going after immigrants and people of color. and from the first time he descended down that golden escalator in 2015. and actually even before that, with the birther conspiracy nonsense with. barack obama,

he's recognized that leaning into this fear of the other, this and exploiting and demagoguing the immigration issue, which is one that needs to be brought under control. we have an immigration and border security issue in this country. we've had it for 30 years, but they are trying to manipulate the perception here because he's run on this and people are like, yes, we. >> have to get tough. >> on the border. >> that's right. >> go and deport the criminals. >> first. >> not realizing that a what he was claiming for mass deportations was logistically impractical. b he enjoys the cruelty. he gets off on the cruelty being the point of all of this. and we remember that former trump officials. >> who came out. >> from his first first administration. talked about the god awful, illegal things that he. >> wanted. >> to do. can't we just shoot him in the leg? why can't we put a moat with with gate? you know, you know, alligators. like obnoxious things and illegal things. terrible things to try to keep these people out. this is not the american system of

justice. this is not how things work. and by manipulating the numbers to make it seem like he's doing more shows you that it's more about the cruelty and. >> the. >> this, this idea that he's some tough guy taking control than what's actually real. back in 2019, the last time they tried this and they tried family separations, the american people revolted. over 65% of the american people disapproved of the family separation policy. and the. >> fact that. >> trump is trying to go back to that, just so that they can show, again, the toughness and cruelty of this should tell, should alarm americans, because this is not the way we treat we treat human beings. we can go after border security. we need to fix it. there's problems there, but this is not the way to do it. and to manipulate information and make this seem as though it's something it's not is dishonest. and that defines who donald trump and maga really are. >> secretary castro, we are seeing the impacts of the trump administration removing protections for sensitive locations. parents in chicago, they're picking their kids up

early or even parking a few blocks away. in some cases, they're not even sending their kids to school. so what are the domino effects? if immigrant communities aren't trusting institutions like schools or even hospitals? >> yeah. >> i mean, first, we should start off. >> by saying that in 1982. >> the supreme. >> court, in a case named. plyler versus doe, said that the. children of undocumented. immigrants have a right to actually go to public school to get a public education, right? >> so they they. >> can be there. the other thing is. >> what in the world. >> are ice agents going to find in a school or a church in these protected zones? i mean, what five year old do they think is going to be committing some sort of crime, if that's what they're looking for? it's ridiculous. but what it does is that it tears apart at the social fabric not only of immigrant families, but of entire neighborhoods. people don't feel like they can report crimes to the police. the

churches, hospitals that provide basic services or provide religious education or sustenance. those start to fall apart. that's why the biden administration protected these places in the first place. and you keep doing this. >> it's going. >> to. >> have an impact not only on those immigrant families, but really on whole neighborhoods and entire communities, because these are bedrock institutions for everybody elementary schools, churches, hospitals. it's terrible what the trump administration is doing here. >> so, tara, the trump administration wants guantanamo bay to be able to hold up to 30,000 migrants when that many people are being detained somewhere so remote and mostly inaccessible. how do you maintain oversight? >> i think the idea and question of oversight is one that we should be asking more broadly with everything that's going on there. donald trump, one of the first acts of in office the

first week was to get rid of inspectors general, was to decapitate the leadership and doj and the fbi. it's to we're now locking the doors to our cabinet agencies because elon musk's minions are running around taking over our government and locking, literally locking out members of congress whose responsibility it is to have oversight over these agencies. donald trump has put his loyalists and people who are pledged fealty to him, more so than our constitution, in places like the department of justice and elsewhere. oversight is a problem. it's a major problem. that's why we have separation of government. that's why we have separation of powers. that's why the congress is supposed to be able to have oversight over these things. who is going to do this? it's important that we continue to shine a light on it. guantanamo bay was a pain point for past administrations because of the some of the legally dubious and constitutionally questionable actions going on there. we're going back now to that. and so this is this is a

problem. and not only that, it costs multiple times more money to house people there than it would be on u.s. soil. so what is that about. >> to so add to that, secretary is using guantanamo bay as a mass detention center for migrants. is that a realistic plan logistically, in addition to the humanitarian concerns? by the way, a former state department official called it frankly, insane. >> yeah. and here's the through line. alex is just like he put out trump. put out this number. if we're going to do mass deportations and get millions of people and they're finding that that's actually not feasible, that's not practical either with the funding or with the personnel in the federal government right now. that's also not practical or feasible at guantanamo that, as i understand, can only house a few hundred people right now. and so they're going to have to try and do these makeshift facilities. but even that is not going to be enough. if 30,000 people is the number that you're trying to get there, it makes no sense. it's wasting taxpayer dollars. it's

going to turn out to be cruel for the people who are there. and also going to, i think, wrap in people that are not criminals. and so all around it's incompetence. it's cruelty, it's waste of dollars. it's everything that that voters should be upset about. and i think they are going to be upset about this as the truth about guantanamo and the entire mass deportation effort comes more to light in the months ahead. >> okay, secretary castro, tara, please stay with me. we are going to talk about the national security implications of president trump's attempted paring down of the cia. and fbi employees could have put this country in danger. we're back in country in danger. we're back in 90 here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! a sleep number® smart bed is perfect for couples the climate360® smart bed is the only bed that cools and warms on each side

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that he thinks he will fire some folks. here's what he had to say to a reporter. >> the fbi agents who worked. >> on the january 6th rioters cases. are you planning to fire the fbi agents who worked on those investigations? >> no, but i will fire some of them because some of them were corrupt, i have no doubt about that. and so him saying i have no doubt about that is just the complete opposite of the way that the fbi approaches all of these topics. remember, it took a while for donald trump to be indicted for the allegations about what he did in the lead up to january 6th. and in terms of trying to overturn the election, that jack smith case took a while and it went through several steps. first, you know, it was investigated by the fbi who looked at all the details. they worked their way up the ladder, and eventually they got a grand jury to agree that there was probable cause, that donald trump had indeed committed these crimes. of course, when he was elected, that case all went away. but the due process that was afforded to donald trump is not being afforded in the process here involving these fbi

agents. and we should say there are no credible allegations of wrongdoing against any of the fbi agents who worked any of these january 6th cases thus far. this is not about really going through the details and figuring out what was, what mistakes were made, what was being wrong. it's just this event that's putting in a tremendous chilling effect at the fbi involving anyone who touched one of these january 6th cases, which involve, of course, an attack on our democracy, an attack on the officers who were brutally assaulted that day. and, officer, you know, individuals who may have had any sort of tangential relationship to the january 6th investigation are on that list alongside people who worked really closely on these cases. so this is really send a chilling effect thus far at the fbi. >> yeah. and when he touches those cases that they were assigned to. but anyway. all right. thank you very much. ryan riley tara setmayer and julian castro are back with me. so, mr. secretary, you led the department of housing and urban development. when we're looking at the fbi and doj or any other department, will they provide any checks and balances to president trump? and what

happens if they don't? >> well, they ought to, right. i mean, the whole idea is that the attorney general, the department of justice, is serving the american people, and it's not supposed to serve a president. and trump wants to turn that around. he absolutely is looking for a department of justice, fbi, cia, everybody that is serving his interests and his interests alone. and that's what we see. that's at the heart of this, alex. yes, there's a lot of petty revenge here. and going after the agents that were involved in january 6th. but we've also seen a lot larger scale effort than that, buyouts that are meant to be able to turn over employees and insert new people whose fealty is to president trump. obviously, the political appointees that are already being appointed, who have 100% loyalty to trump, that is his goal. let me also say that for people that think, well, what's wrong with a little bit of attrition here, the federal government in several departments has already been getting smaller. it's hard to

replace people as it is. i'll give you an example from my old neck of the woods at hud. at one time, the department of housing and urban development had well over 10,000 employees. by the time i left in 20 early 2017, we probably had just over 7000 employees, and going through the hiring process took quite a bit of time. and so there's already this red tape and bureaucracy that made it hard to replace needed people. this guy is making it ten times worse and absolutely kneecapping really important agencies. >> so yeah, the administration, they're trying to reduce the size of federal government as much as it can. but is it clear the people who are doing this fully understand the consequences? i mean, for example, are they not concerned about the national security implications of offering those deferred resignations to the cia or the global impacts of shutting down the u.s. agency for international development? >> you see. >> this is the i think, the mistake that a lot of people are

making. this is not a good faith effort to reform our government and make it more efficient. this is a full on assault on the way our democracy works and the way our government functions. it is a full on decapitation so that a small number of people like elon musk and the billionaire class and friends of donald trump, or people who are using trump as a puppeteer to gain control of our federal government for their own ill gotten gains. like this is not about the american people. this is not about what's best for america. you think it's best for america, for elon musk and his teenage and college grad group of doge guys running around in our sensitive systems and having access to these things is best for the united states government and our democracy. and for the average american, it's not. people need to really understand what's happening. i think the shock and awe of what's happening is taking some people by surprise.

many of us, it's not because we warned against this. they wrote an entire manual called project 2025 to tell us what they were doing. it is all under the auspices of government efficiency, but that's bs and we know it. there's nothing efficient about any of this. this is a this is a full on assault. and it's not something that i think the average american is going to fully appreciate until they feel enough pain. when people voted for change, they were just voting against the status quo. they weren't voting for this. and i think it's important that we frame it that way. we can't normalize this as just being, well, some people are coming in and they established a blue ribbon commission to study the, you know, some waste, fraud and abuse. and we're going to, you know, be very prudent in how we apply this. this is a full scale decapitation of our federal government and how it works. and not only that, it's a dangerous undermining of our national security space. did most americans who were worried about the affordability of eggs and

inflation, did they vote to have our cia and fbi and our national security space infiltrated by people who have no accountability, who weren't elected, who have no expertise in this area, and who are ripping it apart for what? for their own billionaire oligarchy and donald trump's letting them do it. we cannot allow it. and seneca project is we're trying to put information out so people understand that and fully appreciate why this matters and why they have to stand up and fight back, including members of congress. >> last question to you, secretary, because republicans are the ones with real power here to combat what trump and musk are doing. but there's been no action so far. in fact, one op ed in the washington post writes, the constitution is collapsing. a lack of character is to blame, and it says the framers clearly never envisioned a congress that would be so supine in the face of such a barrage. how much are republicans willing to support, and what, if anything, can democrats do?

>> well, alex, i mean, that's the $64,000 question. i mean, we're watching, as tara has said, a decapitation of the federal government doing away with agencies. elon musk and his band of teenagers getting access to everybody's private information. and these republicans are just just sitting there mute, not doing anything so deathly afraid of getting primaried so cowardly that they won't even speak up. and these are the same people that that would falsely object to unelected bureaucrats having any power in the biden or the obama administration's total hypocrisy. total cowardice. and the only thing i think that's going to end up stopping them are the people in 2026. and i expect that a lot of them are going to lose their races in 2026 because of what's going to happen by then. >> okay. >> 2026 starts now. that's an important point to make. this is not politics as usual. all of the people who want to be in the resistance need to understand 2026 starts right now, and the resistance has to start now. there cannot be any more delay.

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suffering from malnourishment, that they are going to have specialized meals going forward. and a lot of concern from family members. i want to play you a little bit of sound from one of the three men released today about her reaction to seeing him. >> it's quite a shock because i was positive that his situation will be much better. i know him as an energetic guy for many, many years and he's in a very, very bad situation. as i can see from from the from the tv. >> so these three male hostages clearly have a long road to recovery ahead of them, not just physically, but also mentally, also spiritually. alex. >> yeah, for sure. hey, raf, there are still many hostages in gaza. that includes two americans. where do negotiations go from here?

>> right. two americans still in gaza. one of them is sigi. declan, on the right of your screen there. he's a 36 year old father of three young girls. we are expecting to see him released in this phase of the ceasefire deal. the other is edan alexander. he is an israeli american soldier. he will not be released until the next phase of the ceasefire. and that alex is assuming that we get to a next phase. there are delicate negotiations beginning to get underway now in qatar. prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who's still in the united states authorizing negotiators to head to qatar. but this is a fairly low level delegation. they're there to talk about technical details. the israeli cabinet will meet this coming week, and they will decide what kind of mandate they are prepared to give those negotiators. and the big, big question is whether netanyahu's government will agree to end the war and withdraw all israeli forces from gaza in exchange for the release

of all living israeli hostages. >> alex, what is it? raf, we've got about two weeks left of this first phase. is that it? >> yeah. that's right. so we're four weeks into this first phase. it's scheduled to last for six weeks. there are about 17 hostages still in gaza due to be released in this phase. and of those, hamas says eight are already dead. alex. >> okay. ralph sanchez, thank you. it is a headline that is drawing a lot of views. a look at why elon musk wants to control treasury payments and control treasury payments and they're not good. the ♪♪ chocolate fundraiser. with the chase mobile app, things move a little more smoothly. ♪♪ deposit checks easily and send money quickly. ♪♪ that's convenience from chase. before you go to extremes to fix sagging and wrinkles with expensive injections. try this. olay regenerist. olay boosts skin cell regeneration

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more of that. we're going to be looking at department of education. we're going to be looking at even our military. >> joining me now, lindsay owens, executive director of groundwork collaborative. that's an economic policy think tank. and, lindsay, i'm glad you're here because i want to get your reaction to what we just heard the president say, which is that every investment made is a con job. do comments like that without presenting evidence actually undermine his stated goal of curtailing government waste? >> yeah. >> look. >> president trump is pushing out tons of misinformation. >> about what organizations. >> like usaid do. but i. >> think americans. >> understand exactly what an organization like usaid does. and a lot of what it does is. >> offer public health services. around the globe. this is things like nutrition. >> assistance and. >> preventing diseases like cholera, malaria, tuberculosis. administering pepfar to help stop. >> the. >> spread of hiv aids. the only

thing that president trump's attack on usaid is going to do. is make millions of people around the globe sicker, and people are going to die from this reckless decision. >> and look, usaid, that is just one of 13 agencies where d.o.j. has been spotted. the doj's plan is to go from about 10,000 staffers to 611. the numbers that we've been given show 600 workers in europe, that 600 there, they're going to be whittled down to ten. 12 will be dedicated to africa, eight to asia. i mean, what's the likely impact of this and the likelihood of success for the union's lawsuit they've got going? >> yeah. look. >> doge is now everywhere in the federal government and they are spreading like bedbugs. what we learned yesterday is that doge has now descended. >> on. the consumer. >> financial protection bureau. we also learned that russ vought, the architect of project 2025, who is now sworn in as the top official at the department

or at the office of management and budget, is now running the consumer financial protection bureau. and we've learned that elon musk is tweeting, rip cfpb. and so doge has their fingerprints everywhere in the federal government, and they are going after the stuff that matters the most to americans, attacking the consumer financial. protection bureau means stopping a critical protection for americans against financial scams. since its founding, the cfpb has returned $21 billion to american families in relief. i mean, that's just an extraordinary amount of money. it's so important for americans who have had to face predatory mortgages, who've had to face. predatory debt collectors. >> i mean. that's really what the doj's effort is. >> this is. >> not about. >> government efficiency. >> this is about stopping protecting americans, and it is

about elon musk's pocketbook. one of the other things we know about what musk is up to is he is gathering personally sensitive financial information about americans and about his competitors and all of these agencies that. >> he and his. >> team are entering. and this has actually been one of the top subjects of the lawsuits that we're seeing against doge today. >> okay. now hang on. if russell vogt has been appointed director of omb and you have elon musk saying, rest in peace to the consumer financial protection agency, which you say has returned about $21 billion in fraud, let's say, right, to the american, to the treasury. is there a chance the two of them are going to butt heads, or are they on the same page? >> yeah. >> it's hard to say, but i think they're really on the same page. i would just say that russ vogt's aim is really to destroy the government from the inside out. elon musk, i think, has

likely a more sinister motive, which is also to kind of grease the skids for his new business interests. we know that elon musk is interested in starting his own payment app. he's partnered with visa to do that. and so he has a real interest in ensuring that the cfpb isn't blocking an effort like that. but he also has an interest in getting into something like the consumer financial protection bureau, which has trade secrets from enforcement actions against some of his likely future competitors. >> so this brings me to my last question, which is relative to what you've written about the new the. today, the federal judge ordering that temporary block of d.o.j. employee access to sensitive treasury payment systems. you wrote about this in the in the column saying that there are several reasons that musk wants to control these payments. none of them are good. and the new york times reports musk allies wanted access so they could freeze foreign aid payments. so what do musk's actions so far? what do they

suggest about his motives? you just said he wants to start his own payment system and he's already contacted visa. is that part of it? >> absolutely. >> so we think he could be up to two potential things in attempting to gain access to the treasury payment system. most americans had no idea what the treasury payment system was until last week, when they found out that musk had the keys to it. but it basically just pushes out $6 trillion in payments every year. things like social security payments to seniors, payments to federal contractors, payments to our united states bondholders. he's interested in accessing this critical piece of fiscal infrastructure for two reasons. one is to stop payments to people and programs that he doesn't like. but second is the access to the personal financial information and personally identifying information of tens of millions of americans as well as companies. and that was the subject of the ags lawsuit last

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