>> meanwhile, in south texas, we get another firsthand look at the front lines. >> i've noticed most recently, not as much activity. >> what was once a record influx of migrants, now a trickle. we didn't spot 1 in 5 hours with border patrol. >> it used to. >> be that. >> the vast majority of. >> migrants here would turn themselves in. now, most of them are. single adults trying to escape. in 2021, this area saw more than 1500 illegal border crossings a day. now less than 100. have you ever seen it this quiet? >> not that i can remember. >> nearby, the state of texas is offering the federal government 1400 acres of land for a massive detention facility. david porras is a first time trump voter here in stark county, which voted republican in the presidential election for the first time since 1892. >> you're here as an illegal. you break the law, you should be deported. >> all right. thanks to gabe for

that report. in moments, how the trump administration is reacting to the elon musk backlash. that's next. good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with federal courts slapping sweeping restrictions on the white house on its department of government efficiency. federal judges last night handing donald trump delays on some of his executive actions, including plans to fire thousands from the u.s. agency for international development and taking away doj's access to data in the treasury department's payment system. >> they want. >> to run. >> roughshod over. >> the entire legal. >> infrastructure. >> protecting the privacy rights. >> of the people. >> all for their own purposes, which may be governmental, they may be corporate, they may be

private, they may be political. and right now, all we've got is the opportunity for courts to step in. >> a report from the white house in just a moment. meanwhile, democrats rising to resist trump initiatives on a number of different fronts legal, legislative and perhaps the most important factor cited by congressman madeleine dean. >> the third prong of this mobilization of citizens. i am certain that the republican frees the trump must freeze on federal spending was only two weeks ago. it's hard to believe was turned around, reversed and rescinded, though not fully in 48 hours because of citizens voices. sure, we all made statements. we will continue to do that, but it is citizens voices who are going to turn this back. >> also, new reports today that lawmakers are inundated with phone calls from constituents, raising questions about musk's actions and his role in government.

>> we are receiving hundreds and hundreds of phone calls. and also on monday, i did a telephone town hall out to my constituents. we had 12,000 new mexicans sign on. people are terrified right now, and hundreds of people are calling our offices. and while we do not see outward signs of resistance from the vast majority of republicans right now, we have heard a lot of reports that republicans are privately calling the white house and essentially asking them what the hell they're doing. >> meanwhile, a new exclusive report from nbc news says trump is angry that deportation numbers are not higher. one source saying it is driving him nuts. and a new poll shows trump's approval rating underwater. 51% say they disapprove of how he is handling his job, while 47% approve. and then 74% say they disapprove of trump's pardons to those who committed violent crimes on january 6th, while just 25% approve of that. we have reporters and analysts in place covering all of these new developing storylines, and we're going to begin with nbc's

yamiche alcindor. so, yamiche, another welcome. some lawmakers are saying their offices are being flooded with calls from constituents who are concerned about elon musk and his seemingly unchecked power. what are you hearing about that? >> that's right. well, some. lawmakers are telling reporters that people. >> are inundating their. >> offices with calls because they're seeing things like usaid and the mass layoffs. that are proposed there and are. >> very worried that other agencies could be next. >> so there are a number of people who are worried, not only because they're federal workers, there are some of them, but also because of the services that these agencies provide americans all across the country. now, president trump has been. >> very clear that. >> he is supportive of what elon musk and doge is doing. now, there is, of course, those halts that you said, judges putting a pause on the mass layoffs that are proposed at usaid, though that's only. >> temporary for. >> right now. we have labor unions that are trying to get a longer stay, a longer stop to those, but we're not sure that that's going to happen. we have

some hearings that are coming up on monday to look into that. but president trump has spoken directly about. this and said, actually, there are going to be more agencies that doge is going to be looking at. so take a listen to what he said. just yesterday at a press conference here at the white house. >> i've instructed him, go into education, go into military, go into other things as we go along. and they're finding massive amounts of fraud, abuse, waste, all of these things. so but i will pick out a target and i say go in. there could be areas that we won't, but i think everything's fertile. you know, we're a government. we have to be open. >> so there you have it. president trump making it very clear that he wants elon musk and doge to look at a number of other agencies, including the department of education, which president trump has been very clear he wants to dismantle and eliminate altogether. i've talked to a number of sources of that. agency saying they're very worried that they could be next when it comes to getting layoff slips and being told that they should not even come to work. the other thing to note here is that there is this conversation

about elon musk's power. and president trump has made it very clear that he is doing everything. elon musk, that is at the discretion of president trump. he's saying that he reports to him that that at the ultimately, president trump is the one who has the authority. but there are democrats who are very critical, of course, of all that's going on. and some of them saying that elon musk is acting like a co-president. alex. >> they are saying that. okay. yamiche, thank you for that. let's bring in tim miller, msnbc political analyst, writer at large for the bulwark and host of the bulwark podcast, and shelby talcott, white house correspondent for semafor. welcome to you both. so, shelby, how is the trump administration reacting to all this musk backlash? are there any plans to rein in his access and power? >> not so far. and again, you know, there are people and there have always been people inside of donald trump's orbit who are a little bit skeptical of elon musk. we heard it during the transition, some complaints that he was sort of always at mar-a-lago. but ultimately, if donald trump is happy with elon musk, then elon musk is going to stay. and so far, it seems like

donald trump is very happy with what elon musk is doing and is content to let him sort of run this government efficiency agency as he sees fit. >> so, tim, yamiche, you heard touch on the washington post report that constituents are flooding lawmakers with calls about elon musk. listen to this. alaska senator lisa murkowski said the senate's phones were getting 1600 calls a minute compared with the typical 40. i mean, that is a stunning difference. is the chaos that trump and musk are unleashing on the government exactly what democrats warned would happen before the election. and have you noticed any republicans or trump voters expressing any buyer's remorse? >> it is. >> what democrats warned of. >> i did. >> see a. >> there's an. >> article this morning. >> that and we at the at the bulwark. >> do some focus. >> groups where you heard. >> from some people that were. >> trump. >> voters who said that this was chaos, that they were not looking for. so we have seen.

>> you know, a. >> couple of examples of that. that's anecdotes. it's not data at this point. it's pretty early. but just as a general principle. >> if you stand back like. >> trump has. >> succeeded with voters when he is doing his kind of pr game, right, which is. >> a lot. >> of pomp. >> and circumstance. >> a lot of. >> brashness, you know, attacking. >> foes, but. >> then not actually. >> doing a whole lot. >> like you remember the first term, like all the discussion. of the wall. >> and immigrants and how. >> much the wall. >> actually got built? >> not that much. elon is kind of. >> doing the opposite, right? >> like they are. >> doing the. >> silicon valley move fast. >> and break things strategy that is less. popular with voters. >> than trump's, you know, smoke and. >> mirrors strategy, if you will. >> and i. >> do think that that tension. >> is going to come. >> into focus even more over the next few months. >> can you give me a sense, tim, what the best way is for the public to fight back? is it grassroots efforts, protests like the one we saw across the country this week? >> look. >> yeah, i mean, i think that. >> calling congress does make. >> a difference. >> look, the republicans have

very. narrow majorities in congress. >> and so i think particularly, you know, if you are from a. >> state like. >> where you have. >> a senator like lisa. >> murkowski, >> you know, >> like, you know, bill cassidy here in louisiana, it seems like he folded on the on the rfk secretary vote, but he was on the fence for that for a while. >> you know. >> i think pressuring those types of republicans is useful. a lot of this stuff is going to be in the courts, right. so a lot of this stuff is legal. and so there are regular americans that are lawyers will be involved in that, not not regular folks. >> and then i think in. >> the government, you know, federal government employees are going to have to speak out. and i think that you're seeing this already with reaching out to people who are involved in usaid, democrats are going to have to put a face on the people that are doing this work. what kind of work are they doing? >> you know. >> there's an example, you know, down here in louisiana, there's this group that we volunteer with that does tree planting. you know, they're like, we. >> get funded through. >> the us forestry. right. the tree planters, like the farmers, the tree farmers are going to

get hurt by this. the guys that are doing the delivery. right. so putting faces on this that are not just, you know, whatever bureaucrats. >> yeah. so shelby, you write that the department of government efficiency follows the longtime elon musk pattern. what is that pattern? i mean, tim just just mentioned the silicon valley m.o. breaking things. is that how he's doing it? >> yeah. historically, elon musk has gone into to places that he ends up buying or owning, and he sort of takes a wrecking ball to it, and he dismantles the entire structure and then rebuilds it up. and that is how he did things when he took over x. it's how he did things at spacex. and so this is historically sort of his pattern of doing things is sort of go big, dismantle everything and then figure out how to build it back up. and we saw that. we're seeing that that's the approach that he is taking to the us government. now, of course, the difference is this is not a, you know, private company that elon musk

owns. this is the us government. and so we're seeing the different repercussions. we're starting to see these lawsuits. we're starting to see legal pushbacks. and there's certainly going to be more of that as he continues with this method. >> 100%. and shelby, in that same article, you said that doge is turning its attention now to the social security administration. what are you learning about musk's plans for that agency, and what would that mean for millions of americans? >> well, we heard from donald trump yesterday who reiterated what he has said on the campaign trail, which is that social security would not be touched. but in the same breath, he also sort of alluded to the idea that they will be looking at social security in some way, shape or form. he argued that there are people on there that shouldn't be on there that need to be weeded out. we don't know the specifics of that, but certainly it seems like elon musk and his group of folks are going to be looking at this agency in terms of what donald trump said last night. and now, i also would note that when i've talked to people affiliated with doj's

efforts, they say every agency is essentially on on the books. there is no agency that is fully offline, that is fully, you know, unavailable to be looked at. and i think that's also notable because it shows that this is only getting started. we're only a few weeks into donald trump's administration, and they're planning to look at every single aspect of the us government in some way, shape or form. >> so newly sworn in attorney general pam bondi has already issued a flurry of directives aimed at examining the alleged weaponization of the doj and stopping investigations into foreign influence. tim, what does this tell you about bondi's priorities? and is this what she said she would do in her confirmation hearing? >> it isn't. what we heard from the confirmation hearing was. >> that they. >> were going to, you know, depoliticize the justice department, not going after friends of the administration if they commit crimes or if they should be looked into is not de-politicising, it is politicizing it. and i think.

>> particularly when. >> it comes to this foreign influence, that's a pretty strange directive immediately that we're going to de-emphasize investigations into fara, which is the registered foreign agent, and de-emphasize investigations into foreign interference in our elections. i mean. that is sending a, you know, basically like a welcome sign to foreign governments that want to interfere. that is clearly even though it's not stated in the in the eo itself, a reaction to just how upset trump was and the people around him about the russia investigation. so in a lot of ways, this is also sending a welcome sign to russia, though they're a little bit, you know, they have their hands full, i guess, in ukraine. but, you know, i. >> think that that. >> is like the big takeaway here. the other thing that i would flag is who the u.s. attorneys are that come in. that's going to be under her rubric. we have this guy, ed martin, who's been explicitly partizan. and as the dc u.s. attorney, he was phyllis schlafly's right hand man is just a rabid partizan that has

been put in place at that very important d.c, you know, attorneys spot. and so i think we're going to see more of that from her as well. >> okay. last question to you, shelby. what else do you think we can expect from the doj? i mean, what do you think is next on their agenda? >> well, listen, i think that they've made it clear in, you know, as soon as she was confirmed, she has set up a task force to examine the what they call the weaponization of the justice department. they've she's warned career lawyers at the agency not to sort of push back on trump's agenda. and so i do think that that's going to be a focus. and anything that donald trump does in the next few weeks, which we anticipate to be a lot, a lot more executive orders, a lot more initiatives, that's going to follow at the justice department. and she's going to implement donald trump's agenda. >> okay, shelby talcott, come see you again anytime soon. appreciate you. and, tim, i'd like you to stay with me because i do want to talk with you about project 2025 and how its plans are now playing out in this

administration. so we'll see in a bit. but first, more on a federal judge's action. pausing the trump administration's plan to gut the foreign aid workforce by thousands on friday, the number of workers at the us agency for international development was set to be slashed from more than 5000 to just a few hundred before a court suspended that deadline by one week. and joining me now is defense one technology editor patrick tucker. good to see you, patrick. so usaid provides billions of dollars in humanitarian assistance to countries around the world. but you write shutting down this agency will hurt u.s. interests and be a gift to china and russia. and here's former usaid administrator samantha power on how the attacks are being cheered by moscow and beijing. take a listen to what she said. >> they see the value. of gaining this political capital and. >> winning hearts and minds. >> in this way. >> what we. >> have seen. >> is, prior to president trump taking over is attacks, sustained attacks by the prc on

usaid reputation to try to. denigrate the agency in the eyes of. >> the. >> publics, in. >> the countries in which usaid works. >> and since the dismantling. >> of usaid began. >> a couple of weeks ago. >> we have. >> seen the prc relish the strategic opening that this offers them. >> so can you explain how shutting down the foreign aid agency then plays into china and russia's hands? >> sure. well. >> where do you want to start? anywhere around the world. if we take a little bit of a brief tour in ukraine. usaid provides not only critical medical aid, which does get its way to frontline soldiers because all of ukraine is a battlefield. usaid support was instrumental in helping them stand up a power structure to keep the lights on energy resilience. >> it also allowed. >> them to rebuild a digital economy really important for their continued economic growth to keep the government basically run and funding and funding frontline workers. let's go to moldova. in moldova, documented

russian interference efforts targeting election. usaid was there providing cybersecurity and critical attribution of russian election interference methods. let's go to africa, where the u.s. operates continuously against isis targets and other terrorism threats. there. the u.s. was operating out of a base in nigeria until last year. why the nigerian new government that took over in a coup kicked them out? what supported that russian disinformation efforts? usaid supports independent journalism all across these places to highlight some of those interference efforts, let's go to latin and south america, where again, the people's republic of china is attempting to curry influence corrupt public institutions, corrupt public officials in order to decimate u.s. influence in the region. usaid supports independent journalism and fact finding that reveals those efforts to the people of those countries. so there's really not a part of the globe that you can look at and pick where usaid

isn't having an effect that is direct to national security. and that is what chinese and russian, kremlin and prc media outlets are today so excited about. >> so and you haven't even touched all the topics. let me go to malaria and tuberculosis outbreaks, medicines for half a million children living with hiv, a bird flu outbreak happening right now in at least 49 countries. these are just some of the global health emergencies usaid works to combat. what are the real world consequences of shuttering this agency, patrick? >> well, yes. just in terms of medical health, the short term effects, interruption of important medical services, aids relief in all sorts of places, halted disease prevention initiatives, halted food security challenges, initiatives to deal with food security challenges, long term effects, potential resurgence of infectious diseases in places where we had thought that we had turned the table on those, and those will eventually affect the

united states population in one way or another, because we are in a globalized, you know, world right now, people travel very freely. and so there's not an infectious disease outbreak that's not going to have an effect on the american population. there's also the long term effect of the deterioration of health infrastructure, hospitals, disease monitoring all over the world. usaid plays a critical role in that. so there's some short term terrible effects and there's some long term terrible health effects. >> so you have secretary of state marco rubio, who said the us is going to continue to provide foreign aid, but only if it aligns with our national interest. what are some examples of that? let's leave health care aside. we all learned during the covid pandemic that it's not like, oh, it stops at a state line or some international border, right? >> right. yeah. secretary rubio. >> was. >> not particularly specific about exactly which of u.s. aid's funding or programs is not in us national interests, but he also said that different program managers can apply for waivers,

emergency waivers to have their funding restored, as you pointed out, and as others have pointed out, that decimated staff 10,000 down to about 611 operationally. i've talked to some of them, and they don't have the means or the capacity to write all of the waivers that need to be written. and there's not a clear process for doing that. so it's unclear at this point how that would happen. but really importantly, if you look back to what senator rubio said about usaid, if you look back to what senator lindsey graham and other u.s. lawmakers were saying about usaid just before this, and what senior military commanders have said about it, you will find universal support, gratitude and appreciation for their work. so it's a sudden and dramatic reversal of tone instigated by political events and i guess, certain people's vendettas. >> let me just remind folks that both melania trump and ivanka trump worked with usaid during their first term of the trump administration. okay, patrick tucker, we'll see you again. thank you much. thank you. it is 900 pages, but it might as well

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revoking security clearances to rolling back transgender protections, freezing foreign aid and more. let's bring back tim miller. so trump is also working to eliminate the department of education. tim, it's another project in 2025 priority list. in response to a post about democrats trying to enter the doe building, musk tweeted, no such department exists in the federal government. i mean, look, this administration is going page by page, but how and when are we going to get to the limits of what they can actually do? >> well. >> at some point, we are already at the limits with some of the court rulings that have come in. you know, there was an injunction placed against the actions that musk and the team were trying to do, and treasury department already is trying to getting to access to people's data. so they're going to be legal limits on all of this. now, presuming the administration follows legal rulings, which i think is an open question at this point. but

they have so far to date. but look, i don't think that there is a limit to what they will try to do within project 2025. tyler bowyer, who is a republican national committeeman from arizona. i saw him tweet the other day that project 2025 was just the start. and i do think that is the mindset. i think that a lot of people in heritage foundation and on kind of the maga right, like, see this as their opportunity to completely remake the government. and i think they intend to do as much of it as they can get away with. >> let's turn now to trump and musk's efforts to shut down this united states agency for international development. the white house is claiming that usaid gave massive sums of money for projects that were, quote, ridiculous and even malicious. they gave 12 examples, and the washington post found just one of the 12 claims was true or put into proper context. but how is this playing to the public? tim. when trump's allies share information from a white house source, do people just blindly

believe it? and how do you combat that when it's only partially true or it's completely false? >> yeah. well, look, they are going to believe some of this. and the in the aforementioned focus groups, there's somebody this. >> week who. >> said, you know, that they were happy that trump took care of the condoms that were going to gaza, which was one of the false things that the administration was putting out that usaid was doing. it just wasn't true at all. so, yes, some people are going to believe this. i think, though, as as time goes on, the real life impact of this stuff will eventually resonate, right? like you can, you know, you can do propaganda, you can do pr, but you can't change people's reality. and i think that whether it's usaid or shutting down some of these other programs, when it comes to nih and research, we're already seeing some of this community health centers shutting down research hospitals in red states and red communities aren't, are, you know, are going to be laying people off. there are a lot of people that work at usaid that

are real, earnest christians that have, like. dedicated their life to serving the poor throughout the world. they're about to be sent back to their communities and their churches. right. so, like over time, i think the reality of this will, you know, break through to most folks. but, you know, in the meantime, like the trump propaganda does work. that's why that's why people have, you know, politicians have used it for a long time. >> so trump was asked about his reaction to this time magazine cover featuring elon musk. let's take a listen to what he said. >> did you have a reaction. >> to the new time magazine. >> cover that. >> has elon. musk sitting behind your resolute desk? time magazine. is time magazine still in business? i didn't even. >> know that. time magazine. >> elon is doing a great job. he's finding tremendous fraud and corruption and waste. >> okay, so on this week in 2017, steve bannon made the cover of time in the article for

the i rather. the title for the article was is steve bannon the second most powerful man in the world? six months later, tim bannon was gone from the administration. so what are the chances times elon cover bothers trump? >> i think it could. there's one key difference between bannon and musk as far as their relationship to trump. and i interviewed bannon about on this about two months ago at a at a maga conference in arizona. and, and he acknowledged this off the record and that was that. musk has his own power base, which which is the quarter billion that he spent to help trump the money that he's pledged to support trump loyalists in primaries in 2026, and also his his huge following that he has on his social media account. so getting into a fight with musk is a little bit trickier for trump than getting rid of some of the stooges that he's gotten

rid of in the past. i mean, trump has a lot, or musk has a lot more power than corey lewandowski or some other random trump staffer who flew a little too close to the sun and then got fired. so i think it's a trickier situation for him, but i do think it's going to bother him and that that tensions will continue to grow. >> okay, i guess you're saying that elon musk is no icarus. but thank you, my friend tim miller. it's good to see you. it is a simple question with a not so simple answer. what would mass government layoffs do to the government layoffs do to the economy? that's nex here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! -honey... -but the gains are pumping! dad, is mommy a "finance bro?" she switched careers to make money for your weddings. oooh the asian market is blowing up! hey who wants shots, huh?! -shots?? -of milk. the right money moves aren't as aggressive as you think. hayden: the fact st. jude will take care of all this,

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and they're sensations too. get started today at sitter city. >> breaking news governor kathy hochul ordered new york city's live chicken markets to shut down after routine tests discovered bird flu. they'll stay closed for days and will have to pass inspections before reopening. the governor says there's no immediate threat to people. these are just simply measured. >> common sense steps. >> that will. >> curb the spread of bird. >> flu and. >> ultimately, to keep new yorkers safe, which is.

>> always my top priority. >> now. >> i want. >> to reiterate that people should not be concerned. >> let me be clear. >> there is no. >> immediate public. >> health threat. it is the latest measure to curb the nationwide crisis that is also hitting farms, and certainly raising the cost of eggs. and the latest jobs report gives a final glimpse at president biden's economy. 140,000 jobs were added in january, another month of growth, but fewer jobs than expected, many coming in health care, retail and social assistance. the unemployment ticked down to 4%. joining us now is our friend jared bernstein, former chairman of the white house council of economic advisers, during the biden administration. and jared, i remind viewers that you were the architect of bidenomics. so as you look at those numbers, did the biden administration achieve the soft landing that president biden and the federal reserve aimed for? and what kind of shape did president biden leave the economy? >> well, first of all. >> great to be with. >> you again. and i.

>> probably give president. >> biden the credit. >> for bidenomics the soft landing. >> which is another way of saying. >> getting inflation. >> down without having. a recession. >> or without having. the unemployment. >> rate go up. >> there were many economists. >> who told. >> us. >> because of that traditionally. inverse relationship, that. >> if we wanted inflation to. >> come down as much as it did. >> we were going. >> to have to accept a much worse. >> economy and labor market. that was something that. >> was not okay with president biden. he believed we could have a soft landing. >> which meant getting inflation back down. to around where it was. >> pre-pandemic, while keeping the unemployment rate very low. and that's. >> what happened. >> all right. so let's talk about what's been happening in the new administration. with that judge temporarily halting the trump administration's buyout offers for thousands of federal employees. but if the buyouts go through, what would mass government layoffs due to the economy?

>> well, we have a federal government. >> with about. >> 3 million workers. >> that's a. >> lot of people. >> and of course, they've. >> not been. >> talking about. firing everybody. >> but a big chunk of that seems. >> they'd like to have those workers leave. >> and that's a lot of unemployment for a lot of people. >> if you. >> look at the compensation. of these workers. you know, it's in the hundreds of billions of. >> dollars if you aggregate it up. and so that's also a hit to the economy. but look, we have a. >> very large economy. i think the thing to be most. >> concerned about there is really twofold, the impact on the lives of these people themselves, even if it was nothing, if it was a blip to the macro economy. the unfair. and unjust treatment to people who are serving the public good is, is, is, should be completely unacceptable. and secondly, these. people do things. >> i understand that that's not. >> quite the.

>> recognition in the. >> current administration. they do a lot of things to help keep this economy going. so that would be. a massive own goal kick and inflicting. >> a lot of pain. >> on people who are actually just trying to go to work and do their. >> job jobs. >> i mean, following up to that, do president trump's plans, do they take into account all the people who'd be looking for jobs in the private sector? i mean, it is not, jared. like jobs are low hanging fruit, right? >> right. i mean, in fact, we know that even though. >> the job. >> market remains very solid, that last jobs report looked. good on many fronts. the rate of. hiring has slowed down and it is taking. longer to find jobs. so again, if. you take millions of people, many of which are concentrated in particularly particular geographic areas and say, a good luck, go find a job, of course it's going to hurt them, their families and their communities as well. >> so panic was avoided, at least for the time being. after the deals between mexico, canada

and the trump administration avoided tariffs on our neighbors. but tariffs could still be imposed. how does this seesaw of uncertainty affect the economy, the stock market, the labor market and supply chains? >> but this is such an important question right now. and, you know, yesterday there was an article in the wall street journal, not exactly a big liberal rag that was titled something like consumers beginning to sour on the trump economy. now, here was the first sentence tariff threat. stock market swings and rapidly reversing executive orders are causing americans across the political spectrum to feel considerably more pessimistic about the economy than they did before president trump took office. now, look, this is one article we saw a confidence indicator yesterday. take a hit. i don't want to overtalk. it's still early days, but these kinds of actions are doing precisely not what i think

president trump ran on, which was to provide relief to working people to provide better economic opportunities. and in fact, what i take from an article like this is that at some point, i think many of the folks who probably non maga folks who voted for the president would like to see him and his team take a few days off from spewing toxic venom and seeking retribution and shredding the constitution, and actually do something to help working people like he pledged when he ran. >> okay, as long as you don't take any days off jared bernstein, we'll be happy to see you again. thank you so much. every year we talk about it super bowl security. but after what happened on new year's day in new orleans, it's a bigger concern than usual. we've got concern than usual. we've got new informa ♪♪ imagine checking your own heart with medical precision from anywhere. introducing kardiamobile 6l, the fda-cleared ekg that provides six-times more heart data than any smartwatch. and it detects three of the most common arrhythmias

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proposal will dislocate millions, but others have. how do you interpret his approach in these new details that he gave yesterday, and is any of this realistic? >> first of all, it's wonderful to see you, alex. >> it is. >> it is indicative of the way donald. trump orients himself to others and to the world. it's just simply a brazen display of american power. the idea that a us, a sitting us president could, could actually give voice to what is all, by all intents and purposes, ethnic cleansing is unconscionable in so many ways. the us has been complicit over the last since october 8th in so many ways, and the. >> horrors of october. >> 7th has been complicit in an unconscionable tragedy. i mean, gaza has been flattened, destroyed. the death of innocent babies and women. >> our weapons. >> have contributed to this. and now the president of the united. >> states talking about. >> this will be well received.

this is late 19th. century american imperialism. gone, gone wild. alex and i. >> find. >> it to be immoral and nonsensical. >> one last point here, particularly to the question in any of this realistic. here's what he said. it would be supplied and given to us by israel. come again? >> what? >> think about that language. think about that language. the palestinian people have no rights under international law. the palestinian people, the people in gaza have no, no, no, no rights to self-determination. they're going to be given their land is going to be given to the united states by israel. think about how that in so many ways erases the agency, the dignity and standing of 2 million plus people, 2 million plus people, many of whom are burying their dead right now. it's horrible. it's a horrific display of american brazenness and the way in which donald trump understands the use of american

power on the on the international scene. >> let me ask you about a number of large corporations, which, as you know, are scaling back their diversity programs after trump's anti dei order. federal workers are scrambling to interpret this order. trump claims he prefers a merit based approach. but what is he implying about the people who make up the federal workforce right now? and if these programs are scrapped? eddie, what's next? >> you know, i think this is look, we find ourselves in a moment, alex, where we're relitigating the gains of the mid-20th century. we're relitigating the black freedom struggle. we're relitigating the women's movement. we're relitigating the gay liberation movement. and in donald trump's mouth and mind, whenever he invokes dei, it automatically means black people. it automatically means the lowering of standards. it is, for all intents and purposes, a coded way of pursuing a white nationalist, a white christian nationalist agenda. and we need to describe it for what it is.

and we need to understand how diverse the federal workforce is. the implication is that the federal bureaucracy is populated by all of these unqualified people. they want to destroy government. they want to deconstruct the administrative state, but they also want to whiten the nation. so what it means for me that you see businesses and the like trying to figure out how to implement the policy. they're trying to implement a policy that is rooted into my mind in a white nationalist agenda. and that seems to me to be deeply, deeply problematic. >> yeah. a federal judge granted a limited temporary restraining order to pause forced administrative leave for thousands at the u.s. agency for international development. a new report from nbc news, edie says that ending usaid programs could undercut trump's goal of slashing migration to the u.s. from places like colombia and haiti. can this plan backfire in the worst possible way for trump? >> absolutely, absolutely. this

guy has no idea what soft power means. whatever you think about u.s. aid and what it does across the country, across the globe, as it were, in terms of u.s. national security, what we do know is that there's some good happening across the globe when we think about what's going on in the caribbean with with regards to aids. africa aids and the like. so this is going to destabilize in so many different ways. but let's be clear, donald trump and elon musk, they're lying. what does it mean for us to take them at their word, alex, that somehow usaid is fraught with corruption, is a fraudulent agency. they're lying through their teeth. and yet we're accepting this. i say we i'm just putting it in inverted commas. and so part of what we have to do is kind of dig deeper and try to understand what's motivating this assault, what's motivating this assault, and why is this the first salvo? in other words, usaid is the canary

in the mine. what is it suggesting about a broader policy that donald trump and his minions will pursue? >> well, to that end, why didn't the trump team use existing employees with deep institutional knowledge to implement its chosen reforms? i mean, what's the point of torching the entire system? >> he wants to go back. remember, he put andrew jackson's image in the white house. he wants to go back to a period when you populate government with the spoils of your victory. you see, he wants he remembered the federal bureaucracy emerges in order to disrupt the transition that would lead to those the person elected putting in place all of his people. and you could see all this corruption, right? you couldn't see government functioning apart from the interest of the president. so he wants to return. he wants to return to this older state, of this older way of governing. it seems to me where everybody's

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