brutality, the ongoing war. and yet, against that backdrop, which could be relevant to those who feel somewhat down right now, remember there was also that uplift about how you can come together in hard times. >> father, father, we don't need to escalate. you see, war is not the answer for only love can conquer. his picket lines and picket signs. don't punish me with brutality. talk to me, sister, so you can see what's going on, what's going on, what's going on, what's going on, what's. >> going on? only love can conquer hate if marvin gaye could get there, can we? you can see more of our special here at msnbc.com slash. ari, thanks for

watching msnbc. >> good evening. >> and welcome to. >> politics nation. tonight's lead hostile takeover. tonight, political. >> and legal battles are. >> raging over how far president trump can go in remaking the entire. government in his image, using his billionaire tech buddy. >> elon musk. >> as muscle. trump has targeted agencies. like the treasury. and usaid, trying to push out thousands of workers he doesn't like and eliminate scores of programs. he doesn't agree. >> with. >> regardless of whether he actually has the legal authority to do so. trump and musk smash

and grab tactics have mobilized democrats to push back, leading to shocking scenes of lawmakers being locked out of vital government agencies, even as unelected henchmen. from musk's doge. >> committee are allowed to run wild inside. >> we'll have all of the latest of that ahead. plus, this week's civil rights summit zeroes in on the fight for the soul of america's schools as the trump administration tries to terminate the department of education and radically transform the way we teach our children about race. we start tonight with congresswoman sheila cheerfulness mccormick, democrat from florida. congresswoman, thank you for joining us tonight. let's start with everything we've seen this week from elon musk and his so-called department of

government efficiency, which is not a real cabinet level department that would require congressional approval. this temporary organization was supposed to be rooting out waste and abuse. is that what we've been seeing this week? >> no. >> we've really been. >> seeing a hostile. >> takeover where. they're actually. >> pushing the bounds of their authority and even infringing. >> upon congress's authority. congress is. >> actually the body that funds and actually looks at the budget for these agencies, and. >> they're coming. >> in stopping work. stopping the actual federal workers from working and really putting everything to a halt. not even taking into consideration the implications of it worldwide or even on our constituents and american people. >> we're seeing complete. >> violations of our privacy and our data when it. >> comes. >> to the department. >> of treasury. we're seeing complete. >> violations when they're not allowing. >> people to come to work, and we're. >> just seeing a chaotic. >> environment, which they seem to be. >> thriving on. >> now.

>> last night, a judge temporarily blocked trump's plan to put thousands of u.s. aid workers on leave. however, the agency's ability to distribute development assistance overseas has been critically undermined by this administration's effort to shut it down. you sit on the foreign affairs committee. can you explain to americans who might not understand why this agency's work is so valuable, particularly in places like haiti and africa? >> well. >> i think we first have. >> to start off that understanding their budget is less than 1% of our national budget. >> so targeting. >> u.s. aid to say that you're going to save money really is pretextual what we see going on with u.s. aid. we actually use a u.s. aid as soft power. >> what does. >> that mean in a lot of areas, especially in haiti? we found a lot of children who were going to actually work with the gangs and fight with the gangs, and the gangs actually offered them

something they couldn't deny or say or decline. they asked. they offered them to give them food and protection, and we were able to come in and prevent a famine in haiti and offer. >> the children and. >> families food so they didn't have to work with the gangs. and we saw a. >> significant number of children. >> who were choosing not to be a part of the gangs, but to actually work with the united states. we also see that in syria. i'm the top democrat for mena, which is middle east and north africa. and we've seen in syria that we've had serious gains over there, and we're still trying. >> to make. >> sure that we can actually feed them now so we don't have to fight them later. so being able to step in and give people in these countries a different option for peace and diplomacy has been one of the strong suits of the usaid. in addition to that, we're hearing more and more about people who actually volunteer to be part of these treatment plans or trials, who now, because of this stop order, have these devices within them, or they have medication that they were actually part of a trial, who they are now stuck with it, and the doctors cannot work with them. we've heard from

many of these scientists who said that part of the stop work order says that they cannot speak to the media or do any kind of interviews, and they could not help these people who have these devices within them. that poses as a huge threat and a huge problem for us, especially in south africa, as you may have heard. there seems to be this, this idea that somehow the white africans are disadvantaged and protection. but that's not the truth. we know that in south africa, less than 1% of people who live in poverty are white, and 68% are africans who were born, and that is actually their land. so we see that this is a very pretextual and the harm that we're going to do, not just to these countries, but the entire continent is going to be, i think, irreversible. we're going to have to work even harder to convince them that we are not the united states of colonization. we spend so much time as we're working with these countries to convince them that we're not the colonizer. i can't tell you. >> how supporting the colonizers, because what they're arguing is to reinstate things

that the colonizers got away with. let me bring you to this, because i don't want to run out of time without getting to a couple of other issues. you also sit on veterans affairs committee. yesterday, the va had to send out a memo clarifying that most doctors, nurses and staff were not eligible for deferred resignation after some nurses had received the offer orchestrated by elon musk, encouraging them to voluntarily leave their positions. the va cares over 9 million veterans. what are the risks involved in subjecting it to this administration's haphazard effort to eliminate large chunks of federal workforce? >> well, many of our veterans won't get the care that they need, and they risk dying or even having more severe diseases. and i think what we're seeing is pretty much how this administration has haphazardly thought they were going to go about these cuts. there was no

consideration for the people we actually owe the most to, which are our veterans. there was no consideration to our most vulnerable, our children, our people, people who we have on medicaid and medicare. the whole goal for them was shock and awe and to traumatize the american people. >> now i want to go back to something you and i touched on a minute ago before i let you go, because i want to take your, your you on a story that i don't think has gotten enough attention that you mentioned earlier. last night, trump issued an executive order halting aid to south africa for alleged discrimination against white landowners and calling for the resettlement of those landowners as refugees in the united states. now, this is a cause that has been championed by elon musk, who grew up in south africa in the apartheid era. now he's talking about people from haiti and people

from mexico going back. he's offering them refugee status here from south africa. what is your response to this executive order and trump's embrace of white south africans, even as he tries to force out refugees from other countries, including haiti, even those that have followed the proper asylum seeking rules? >> this is absolutely ridiculous on so many levels. even trump revisiting this post-apartheid world and trying to save them who actually were, inflicted all the crime and the hurt on these people, i think is going to set us even further back. but what's interesting is, as he does this executive order saying that he's going to give them refugee status and they can come into the united states. they turned around within hours and said, no, thank you. we're good. we're happy staying here. that shows you the level of misinformation that was being brought to the president. they are happy being in south africa, also being there and still taking advantage of the south africans who live in south africa. and i think

this is actually more detrimental for the entire region, as well as african american and black people who are in the united states. because when you go back to say, i want to help the apartheid, the people who are part of apartheid, who actually were criminalizing black people, hurting black people, vandalizing black people, it reminds us all of our wounds, our historic wounds. and actually, that actually makes us more angry than anything. and i think we're going to feel those effects throughout the entire continent, and we're going to see more people leaning towards china in the african continent. and that's going to be dangerous for us. >> yes. and china has been trying to make a lot of advantages on the continent of africa. i've been to south africa several times. i was an election observer there the year of mandela and anc are winning the power. and you're absolutely right. how you describe it then and now have been recently. thank you, congresswoman chair phyllis mccormick, turning back to musc's department of government efficiency, earlier today, a federal judge issued a

temporary restraining order on musk and his allies in the doge. within doj's for from accessing sensitive treasury records for at least a week. the decision comes after 19 state attorney generals sued the federal government on friday, alleging musk and doj's staffers did not have the legal authority to access treasury department data. that includes americans social security numbers and other confidential information. joining me now is one of those state attorney generals suing the trump administration over this rhode island attorney general, peter neronha. attorney general neronha, to start, what's your response to this temporary block by the judge? >> well, look, i'm. grateful to my colleagues and our staffs for getting our papers in front of this judge. very quickly. and the judge's order is sweeping,

reverend. >> it requires. only treasury officials. >> civil servants, cleared civil servants with background checks to have access to this information. it through effectively. elon musk and his and his people out of the treasury department and even further required them to destroy any information they had access. this is incredibly sensitive information that was handed. over to someone who doesn't have an official government role, doesn't have a security clearance, none of his people have security clearances. and this holds this agency. holds our most sensitive information, the bank accounts and the social security numbers of everybody on social security, for example. so i'm grateful. we're all grateful. me and my colleagues. for the judge's actions. and we're going to keep fighting on behalf of the american people. >> now, musk's dodge employees have reportedly already entered the consumer financial protection bureau and gained

access to its computer systems that manage its human resources, procurement and finance systems. they've also taken control of the bureau's social media accounts, locking out career staff. as of last night, the cfp sb's home page has been showing an error message. meanwhile, yesterday, trump said that he directed musk and doge to target the pentagon and the department of education next. can the courts move fast enough to keep up and counter these moves? >> absolutely, reverend. you know, we have built myself and my attorneys general colleagues the largest and best law firm in the country. we've been preparing for donald trump. >> long before. >> he was elected, because we thought that we might. >> be facing exactly. >> this situation. so we've already taken on his attempt to. >> get rid. >> of birthright citizenship successfully. we've already

taken on his attempts to freeze federal funds that congress has allocated to our states and states all across this country, red and blue, for things like and including education. and road building and health care and law enforcement. so we're already moving very quickly. everywhere we filed so far, we've won. we're going to continue to. >> win because. >> this president is operating in a lawless manner. he's hoping to get away with this lawlessness, but we're going to hold him to account now. >> on thursday, rhode island's chief federal judge extended a temporary restraining order that blocks trump administration's push to freeze federal assistance for at least another two weeks. as the case continues to make its way, make its way through the court. prior to the order, the administration was attempting to halt most federal grants and loans and a key federal portal that processes payments for programs such as

medicaid when temporarily offline. are you confident that aid can be protected? >> absolutely. you know. judge mcconnell's order. >> was very clear. >> and it. >> was very sweeping. >> only the congress can decide where the money goes. and once they do, the money must go there. that's the compact that. >> we have with our federal government. >> we pay federal taxes, and those monies come back to us as allocated by the congress. the president has no right to interfere with it. and you're absolutely right, reverend. it it applied this attempted freeze that we got stopped, applied to everything from medicaid to funds for road construction. bridge construction. health care. >> education. funds for. >> law. >> enforcement to go. >> after drug traffickers. >> for example. so we're. >> grateful to judge mcconnell. >> chief. >> judge mcconnell, for that order happened right here in my state. led co-led by this office and my colleagues. and i'm

confident that we're going to continue to rack up these wins because this president either doesn't understand the law or more likely, just has decided to ignore it. >> i want to ask you about where this is headed. we've heard complaints that the trump administration may not be complying fully, fully with legal orders related to its spending freezes. in the case we just discussed, the judge acknowledged state agencies were still not able to fully access money. nearly a week after he had issued his temporary restraining order. what happens if this president starts to simply ignore rulings he does not like? how do states fight back? >> well, that's the constitutional crisis. >> where the. >> president begins to ignore court orders. federal court orders. >> then we have truly. >> reached a crisis in our democracy. >> it's why americans need to stand up now, and particularly at that point, look the proper

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president trump's purge of the federal government ensnared the department of education, where thousands of employees were offered the administration's buyout and where house democrats were literally barred from entering the building in protest. as elon musk's doge committee rummages through department emails and trump preps an executive order to shutter the agency entirely. the chaos and confusion is threatening america's most valuable resource the minds of our young people. that's why we've convened another civil rights summit to talk about it. joining me now is former secretary of education under president obama, arne duncan, president of the american federation of teachers, randi weingarten, and the president of morehouse college, an hbcu, david thomas. starting with you, mr. duncan, the president is

reportedly preparing an executive order to drastically reduce, if not dissolve, the department of education. it will require congressional approval, of course, but you already have elon musk, doge team looking for places to make cuts, and thousands of education department employees were offered this week's buyout. you ran the department for a record seven years under former president obama. you and i worked together during that time. you know what it does for students and educators? what are the most immediate outcomes you can imagine? if the department is reduced, if not dissolved? >> well, it's just. >> a really. >> scary and dangerous time. and my. >> former colleagues there. the career public servants, are. >> absolutely terrified. >> i'm actually going to dc. >> later this week. i'll be on wednesday. >> to try and. >> talk to some. >> but i'll just tell you this, reverend sharpton, every

saturday. >> for months when i went to. >> dc. >> i would meet with that career staff for a couple. hours and just hear what's worked historically, what hasn't worked. sometimes they tell me i have good ideas. other times they tell me i had terrible ideas. i listened very, very closely. >> to their advice. they are smart. >> they're committed. >> they've seen it all. they know. >> what works and what doesn't and. deprive yourself from that knowledge, from that historical information. it's just literally. crazy to me, despite. >> the human cost. and, you know, offering to pay people. >> not to work is the ultimate sort of waste. >> but these. >> are people. >> who. >> make us better, who. >> make the country better. we have to unite and. >> educate our. >> way to a better economy. >> and whether. >> it's laying off. >> folks, whether. it's dismantling the. >> department. >> there's going to be a tremendous amount of damage done. and i always say that's, that's that's the goal. that's the intent. >> the intent is to. >> disrupt. to dismantle public education. >> randi, in the past, i've worked on education matters with presidents and public officials

from the other side of the aisle, like george w bush and newt gingrich. and i've worked together with arnie, but i've also in the last few years, protested states like florida, where i became the latest boogeyman on the right. conservatives were using critical race theory as an excuse to remove black history and lgbtq plus content from state schools. now, that push has been expanded at the federal level under trump. how is it impacting teachers nationwide? >> well. >> first, let me say three things. number one, what they're looking for is the money. and what they're looking to do is try to drive a acts. through opportunity. so of course it's going to affect teachers. but let me talk about the money for a second. there are 26 million kids who get direct services

from title one that on monday they will get a reading specialist to help with literacy because of title one. other kinds of services as well, like computer services. there are 7.5 million kids who get things like ppe and ot because they're kids with disabilities. there's 13 million kids who get pell grants to go to college. i can go on and on. that's number one. number two, under arnie's leadership, 45 million people now get their student debt paid for or done or use or work through the department of education. elon musk and his cronies have looked at all of that information. all the kids who have filed financial aid to go to college, all the people who are actually have student debt. how dare he take people's personal information like that? that's not for the government to

do. if a bank had had that kind of cyber hack where 45 million people had been affected. >> what do you. >> think would happen in this country? so what they're doing is they are actually taking people's personal information, and they're trying to get rid of services for the poor, for disabled, for first year college, first first generation college students for what to go for tax cuts for elon musk and for donald trump's friends. >> david. >> this is taking opportunity. >> david, let me bring this to you then. we saw the alarm last month from historically black college presidents over the impact that even trump's temporary federal aid freeze had on their schools. prior to that, many hbcus in southern states were already dealing with anti-diversity measures from state governments. now you have trump's war on diversity, which has jeopardized black colleges ability to actually teach black

history. as schools scramble to comply with the president's executive orders of banning die or risking losing federal funding, what has this meant for morehouse college? >> well, what it's meant for morehouse college is that we've had to be very clear. and even here in the state of georgia, where they've had some legislation passed to limit what can be taught under this banner, under this anti die banner, for example, if you are a school that can certify people to teach in the public schools. >> you're not. >> supposed to teach anything related to dei or critical race theory. and so. >> we've. >> had to say publicly at morehouse that we will not change our curriculum because our focus is on developing teachers, who in particular will

go and teach black. >> and brown students. >> and students in rural areas, and for us not to equip them to teach. all of the truth about american history and world is to underserve them. it is essentially educational malpractice now, and i've gone public to say that. and i think that most of my colleagues at who are leaders of historically black colleges and universities have. not gone. >> on a full scale. >> rampage to read. >> their curriculums. >> especially their. >> curriculums that are training educators to rid it of information that is captured under critical race theory and the banning of books. if you can believe that in some states you can. >> no. >> longer teach nobel prize

winning toni morrison or maya angelou, it's pretty incredible, incredible. and we must be a point of resistance to that effort to essentially teach untruths. >> or to. >> avoid fully equipping equipping our faculty to fully equip the next generation of. citizens to critically evaluate the direction. >> of our country. >> and that's what happens. >> unseasonable, unimaginable. >> topics that are being banned. and i think, as we were in the 1960s and 50s with the sit. >> ins. >> historically. black colleges are now prepared to be the vanguard of resistance to what i see coming, which is the second. >> jim crow. >> if we think about the direction that all of this is

going in, it is a reaction to the progress of people of color and others who have been disenfranchized. >> it's a direct reaction to that. let me let me go back to you, ani. this week, several house democrats were barred from a by security from entering the department of education building in protest of elon musk doge committee examining the agency for budget cuts. we know that members of the doge team, some as young as 22 years old, now have access top access to department's email accounts, and they're reportedly feeding sensitive information into ai software as they pursue this purge of government workers. what are your thoughts on that? >> the whole thing. >> is just insane. reverend sharpton. >> just mind boggling. >> we had everybody come meet. >> with us, the department of education. it was an open door. people would agree with us. people would disagree. people

protested us. we meet with everybody. that's what you do. you talk and listen to lock. >> people out of the department, to lock. >> out members of congress. we're in uncharted in a very, very scary times. >> and let me just sort. of cut to. >> the chase. >> we have a reading. >> crisis in this country. we saw a recent naep scores that were far too low. >> we have to figure out how. >> to how to accelerate the. >> learning of tens of millions. >> of kids across the country. we have to help them catch up. we can't have a lost generation of kids, nothing of what president trump has talked about. nothing is how we help kids learn to read. and we. >> know he. >> lies constantly. >> he lies incessantly. >> but every. >> once in a while, he'll give a little bit of truth. i'll never forget when he said, i love the uneducated. and he meant that because. >> the. >> uneducated are less able to think critically, they're less able to. >> discern truth. >> and information from disinformation. >> and when. >> your goal is to be an. authoritarian leader, the less educated a. nation is, the better your chances. so what's his motive? randi talked about follow the money. that's exactly right. follow the power. if he

can destroy education, that gives him a much better chance of becoming the kind of authoritarian leader he. >> craves to be. >> he desires to. >> be. randi, even before this purge, the president and his allies repeatedly cast government employees as enemies. how does that disrespect trickle down to public school teachers doing the job right now? and what impact does it have on recruiting women teachers, black teachers, transgender teachers, people whose identities and experience are being targeted by trump? as we speak? >> well. >> i want to just go back and say, even i just saw some news reports, a lot of teachers, probably about 20% or so, who probably voted for donald trump. and when you ask them, you're going to take away title one. when we have a reading crisis, you're going to take away the, the services we have for kids to help them read, help them do

math. what what this is, is that teachers are trying to do everything they can to meet the needs of kids. this just makes it harder. this is what we saw in florida. this is what we've seen in other places. the culture wars just make it harder. teachers are going to try to do everything that they can, but this fear of knowledge and this fear of helping all kids and this fear of pluralism, it is, as arnie says, it is a fear of trying to help all of god's children actually have the opportunity to achieve what they want to. we should not be fearful of the next generation. we should give them the support they need. i'll say one more thing, which is the same month that all this is happening, donald trump put out something about career tech month and it could have been written by us. if you want to have builders, if you want to have the kind of opportunities and workforce development that we need to

have, we need to have a federal intervention to do this work. and yet, one of the people who were put on leave is the person who's totally in charge of all of the grants that go for career tech editor. so this just seems crazy because it's just undermining even purposes that donald trump says he wants. >> he says he wants. >> the chaos. the chaos is the problem. we as a community need to band together to fight for our kids and fight for working folks. >> david, i want to go back to you. i want to focus on the issue of race. hbcus have been shaping and preserving the african american identity in this country since before the civil war. how is that mission being impacted by a political climate, where some of our leaders seem determined to discredit any black american in a position of authority as a beneficiary of dei? that's the

only reason they're there. >> yeah, i don't see. historically black colleges and universities, at least when i talk. >> to. >> my colleagues who lead these institutions, starting to change our agendas to fit into these edicts that are coming down, there's a lot of anxiety. so, for example, all of the anti dei rhetoric, there is some worry that historically black college and university will come to mean dei when we've actually been. not a dei strategy, but a strategy for access for those who have been excluded.

>> right. >> and to represent the america achieving its values around all people are created equal with inalienable rights. that's been our intervention. but we will get because people will. >> see black. >> they will. say that anything. >> that. >> benefits our institutions is a dei intervention. >> yeah, that's the new word. that's the new buzzword they use, which is totally off the mark. and conservatives have complained for years about having school curriculum imposed on them from the federal government. now, under trump, they want to impose rules on how schools across the country teach students about race, gender and history. what changed? >> well. >> nothing's changed again, just the level of dishonesty and the level of lies. so to be very

clear, the. prohibited from touching curriculum. so that has. >> never happened. >> under any secretary of education, republican or democrat. >> to date. and trump talks about. >> small government, but he's actually trying. to whitewash history and change and affect curriculum in ways that no one has ever done. and all these things, you know, crt, dei. >> esl. they just weaponize. >> any three letter. >> acronym and. >> sell fear. >> and what i say. >> all the time is that education should be the ultimate bipartisan issue. there's nothing left or right or republican or democrat about more kids having access to high quality pre-k, helping our third graders read at grade level, raising graduation rates, increasing access to college. those are nation building goals that we should all share. we might have debate about strategies to get there. we could all those. we can all share those. >> nation building goals. >> trump is trying to destroy the nation. he has no goals educationally. and that's the challenge. i don't want. >> us to get caught in the.

>> small ball stuff. >> this is a direct. >> frontal attack on education. early childhood k to 12 higher ed. he has no interest in having a more educated, a more thoughtful, a more discerning american public that is not in his interest. >> and he's basically said that, randi, i'll end with you. this trump administration has made the jobs of teachers seem more precarious than ever. in addition to whatever actual rules may be imposed from above regarding teaching about race, do you worry there will be a chilling effect that leads teachers to censor themselves because they're afraid of a backlash? we're out of time, but i want you to briefly respond. >> yes. i mean, the answer is yes. it already has happened on the state level. we had a rand report that showed that about two thirds of teachers already self-censor themselves. so think about what happens. you have to use in a classroom. and rev, you've seen me. do you've seen teachers do this in a classroom?

you have to meet kids where they are, and you have to help open the aperture. really make sure that they're thinking that they have agency, that they're engaged. all of this when you're thinking, oh my god, what's going to happen to me if i do this? it kills everything. knowledge is key to opportunity. as arnie said, this is a direct attack on knowledge and on our future and on our nation and on our nation building. and that's why i think republicans, independents and democrats alike are going to fight back on this. >> all right. i want to thank all of you very much. former secretary arne duncan, randi weingarten and doctor david thomas of morehouse college. coming up after the pride comes the fall, the black or black church is taking control of a powerful name in white nationalism. more on that after nationalism. more on that after a short break.

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stopper bissell a new breed of clean. >> welcome back to politics nation. this week, a federal judge handed over the trademarked name and logo of the far right group, the proud boys to a washington, d.c, black church they vandalized in 2020. the ruling came after the proud boys failed to pay over $3 million in damages. joining me to talk about it is the reverend william lamar of metropolitan african methodist episcopal church in washington, d.c. reverend, i was at your church last month to celebrate martin luther king holiday on inauguration day. it's a historic place of worship. the funerals of frederick douglass and rosa parks were held there. you there, you see on the screen, held hands with us from

around the country singing we shall overcome. what's your reaction to monday's decision? can you speak to the significance of these symbols of white supremacy now being in the hands of a historic black institution you lead? >> thank you, reverend, for allowing me to come on and share. and again, we had a marvelous time with you during the day of the inauguration, but most importantly, the celebration of the revolutionary legacy of martin king jr. and i believe that this decision is a part of that same energy of love and resistance that you spoke to on that monday morning when you were here. the decision means that when we strategize that when we are committed together in a muscular fashion to pursuing justice, that victory is possible. the real challenge that i'm noticing now, reverend, is that so many people are despondent. so many people are feeling as if this onslaught of

fascism and really hate is going to take root and is going to win. and we know in the long trajectory of american history, there have been defeats as well as victories, but our people have always continued with our allies to mobilize and to fight. and when we got the decision on that day, we were clear that truth crushed to earth does rise again. we were clear that we were going to continue to fight. and really, what we want to encourage folks to do, reverend, is to know that there are victories happening all over the world, all over the nation. and we want to be those who help to amplify those who are fighting the good fight like you. >> all right. now, now, after sandy hook school shooting, families won their case against far right influencer alex jones. they tried to sell his infowars company to the satirical website the onion. have you thought at all about what your church plans to do with the proud boys

identity? >> oh yes sir, we are in conversations with our legal team and we are strategizing what we will do with the logo so that we can fund not hate, but love. and i'm going to share with you, reverend, as soon as we are able, what we are doing with logo so that you can help us to amplify the community we want to build. we want to build a community of solidarity. we want to build a community that deals with the spirit. because i think right now, as long as our spirits are low, we will not get up. which is why i'm wearing this shirt, symbolizing the music and the beauty of john coltrane. i've got marvin gaye behind me. i need all of us to mount up with all of the resources that get our spirits lifted so that we can together, fight. i think right now people are falling victim to the not the better angels of our nature, but to some of the worst. and i want us to do better together because we can.

>> now. >> as you know, as of now, part of the new guidelines from the new administration is that ice agents will be able to arrest migrants at sensitive locations such as schools and churches. now, i've heard about some religious organizations declare themselves as sanctuary areas to protect asylum seekers and refugees. as a leading pastor, how does it make you feel that your church has become a battleground in this fight? >> i tell you what, reverend al, it means to us that we really are doing the work of the gospel. if the state is celebrating the work of the church, especially this iteration of administration, then we know we are not doing what we are called to do. we have to remember that it was a similar kind of state that was in collusion with religious power that executed christ, that it was a similar kind of state that was in collusion with the american kind of imperial

religious system that eliminated king, that tried to stop the civil rights movement. this is nothing new. the collusion of the state with religious power, with white nationalism, with white christian nationalism, as we see today, to try to take the light of justice, try to blow out the flame of freedom. and i need everyone who is watching, who's sitting back thinking that something is going to happen. nothing will happen without us rising up together. and this opposition means that we're on the right track. it means that we're moving in the direction of freedom and liberation. and i'm excited, reverend al, not only because of your interest, but the people who are interested in trying to figure out what do we do next. and i believe that we know what it is. you mentioned it on at the national action network, convening at metropolitan, how we have resources, economic, spiritual to push back even tonight with the storytelling about what's happening at metropolitan. it's a part of what we can do to make the nation what we know it can be. >> now, digging a little deeper on that, president trump this

week signed an executive order creating a white house faith office and directing his attorney general to lead a task force to eradicate what he calls anti-christian bias. it seems like a curious move from a president who just weeks ago attacked the washington, dc bishop for delivering an inaugural prayer service he didn't like. does it seem to you as if trump is only interested in protecting certain types of christians? >> oh yes, sir, it's only only the type of christian that will be a sycophant and a rubber stamp for this regime of evil and totalitarianism almost seems afoot. i know bishop buddy. she is kind and as merciful as she was during that sermon. that is how she always is asking for mercy. it really she embodies that around the district of columbia. anyone who would push

against her is someone who would push against the most vulnerable, which you see is pushing against immigrants, pushing against the truth, the erasure of dei truly is clearly a white supremacist move. we need to be very clear about that. they want to erase, not just dei, but our past so that we will be lost in our future, but we will not allow it to happen. >> well, i'm very happy to have had you on, and i see coltrane, i see marvin gaye. tell your lovely wife i'm going to send a james brown poster there for the room. >> say it loud. thank you sir. >> thank you for being with us. reverend william lamar of the metropolitan african methodist episcopal church. up next, an emotional trip to los angeles. and my message to president and my message to president trump after a short break.

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