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after donald trump announced his desire for the united states to take over the gaza strip and turn it into the riviera of the middle east. we've seen just about every possible reaction. we've seen shock, confusion and outrage. but i actually want to take this opportunity to offer a different reaction to the president's statement. to president trump, i want to say thank you. after 16 months of gaslighting, euphemisms, or outright lies about what israel, with the full backing of the united states, has been doing to the palestinians, the american political and media establishment has finally been faced with calling this what it is ethnic cleansing. take a look at this powerful reaction from cnn's john king. >> that was the. >> president of the. >> united states sitting in the oval office. endorsing the

forcible resettlement. >> of palestinians. >> off their own land, on land that international law recognizes as their land, as land that the united states, until two weeks and a day ago, at least recognized as. their land. >> and the prime minister. >> of israel. >> the state. >> created because jews were forcibly relocated. >> and forcibly. >> resettled and then killed in europe by hitler. sitting there smiling. >> a powerful sentiment that we heard across washington this week. but here's the thing. that statement could have been made 15 months ago. one part of trump's rhetoric that is rightfully causing outrage is his insistence that expelled palestinians will need to be relocated to egypt and jordan, and both egypt and jordan have outright rejected that. but take a look at this associated press report about egypt's refusal to participate in this ethnic cleansing. it quotes a western diplomat who said egypt rejected

similar proposals from the biden administration and european countries early in the war. the earlier proposals, the ones from the biden administration, were broached privately while trump announced his plan at a white house press conference. so you're hearing it there pretty clearly. the biden administration proposed the same thing. they just did it quietly. so this deal of israel forcing palestinians to egypt or jordan is safe to say, not new. israeli officials have been expressing similar sentiments since the very early days of their war on gaza, and neither are the threats to international law. in fact, the international court of justice said israel was plausibly committing a genocide more than a year ago. the international criminal court issued arrest warrants for netanyahu and his former defense minister late last year. yet instead of being outraged at those accused of war crimes, the american political establishment was outraged at the courts, and they kept funding and arming and

supporting the accused war criminals. and the reason these courts, along with human rights groups like amnesty international, human rights watch and doctors without borders, have called this a genocide or ethnic cleansing is not just based on what israel has done. it's that israel's leaders have regularly stated their desire to destroy gaza and make it uninhabitable. yet the political and media establishment here kept insisting that this was simply a war we must support to eliminate hamas and free the israeli hostages. by early 2024, over 25,000 tons of explosives, the equivalent of two nuclear bombs, had been dropped on gaza. by early 2024, 92% of housing units and about 70% of all structures in gaza have been destroyed or damaged, including hospitals and schools. you don't do that kind of damage to free hostages. you do it to make the area unlivable and to either kill or expel the people who live there. the ethnic cleansing of palestinians did not start on tuesday with

donald trump, even though he is now explicitly calling for it. all trump did was basically acknowledge that this was the plan all along. he did it with an international fugitive wanted for war crimes. smiling aside, him sitting right next to him and confirming it. and if by now you've noticed that my thank you to trump is tongue in cheek, then yes, trump's statements were sick and dangerous. but the idea of a trump resort and casino on the shores of, you know, gaza is just a temporary distraction from the reality of what's already been happening to those who are now rightfully outraged at what's happening. whether you call it an ethnic cleansing or a genocide, it must be stopped. whether it's a democratic administration that's supporting it, or as we are seeing now, a republican, this cannot be allowed to continue any longer, and it must be fought by every decent person who wants a just and lasting peace in the region. kicking us off this hour are walid shaheed, democratic strategist and former

spokesperson for justice democrats. julissa rc, author of my underground american dream, and francesca fiorentini, comedian and co-host of the america unhinged podcast. it's great to have the three of you with us. walid, i'll start with you. and for these wondering about the seriousness of the plan to remove palestinians from gaza, israel's defense minister israel katz, said on thursday that the military is coming up with a plan for what they are calling a voluntary exit of palestinians from gaza. and obviously for anyone who has followed this story, this is seen as deeply cynical because of all of a sudden you've got the israelis who have been blockading and besieging gaza for almost 18 years now, suddenly saying they're willing to open the border to allow people to leave. >> yeah. i mean, one of the things that the american political establishment now has to acknowledge is that gaza is unlivable as inhabitable. like it. and this was caused. the thing that they won't say is

that this was caused by a democratic administration under president biden, who sent the bombs to netanyahu to level gaza. and one thing i want to make clear to, to draw out what you were saying is that in october, the uncommitted national movement had a series of conversations with leaders in pretty senior levels of the democratic party, former white house officials, about what our strategy should be if kamala harris were to win the election. and, you know, i am someone who believes kamala harris would have been a better president than donald trump. and one of the things that these weren't progressive, left wing leftist democrats, these were members of the foreign policy establishment and the party. and what they were telling us was that vice president harris, come january 2025, would inherit a refugee crisis bubbling in gaza, in which israel would be pressuring egypt and jordan to take in palestinian refugees from gaza, because gaza was essentially unlivable. it was it had been

destroyed by us bombs, and that it was in israel's interest to expel as many palestinians as possible. and what they were telling uncommitted leaders were that, what is kamala harris going to do in january, february 2025? what political capital is she going to spend to push back on israel's plan to begin to push palestinians in gaza into egypt and jordan? and so this isn't this wasn't just something that was going to happen if trump was president. this was the exact same scenario or similar scenario that vice president harris would have, would have inherited if she were to become president. and there's no way to tell what she would have done. i think people who are commenting about this, that somehow vice president harris or president harris would have been a palestinian, someone fighting for palestinian freedom. we don't have the evidence for that. and the scenarios would have looked very similar. and i doubt, given what i know now about the campaign, how much vice president or president harris in this example, in this analogy, would have pushed back on netanyahu. and i think the plans would have been exactly

kind of the same. >> julissa, one of the most disturbing parts of netanyahu's visit this week occurred after netanyahu gifted donald trump. this golden pager commemorating israel's major attack in lebanon last september that killed at least 37 people, including children, and injured nearly 3000 people, including many innocent bystanders. this was the funeral for nine year old fatima abdallah, one of the children killed in the attack and attack was targeting hezbollah fighters. but honestly, even the former cia director in this country, leon panetta, called it an act of terrorism. i got to say, this is a pretty low bar that we are now celebrating this in our white house. an american president receiving an ornament of an act of terrorism, according to the former cia director, from an international fugitive, somebody that has been charged with war crimes by the icc. >> yeah. i mean, let's call it what it is, right? it is a

trophy. it's a trophy that he presented trump with. and to me, it's the dehumanization of palestinians that allows this kind of rhetoric and that allows these kinds of actions. right. donald trump talks about palestinians as though they were little plastic figurines that he could just take and place somewhere else. right. and even after all of the destruction and devastation that palestinians and people in the area have have suffered, i think one thing that they have that they have not realized is just how strong their love for their homeland and for their people is that even when faced with utter destruction, they are not just going to pick up and leave. they are going to fight. because where donald trump and netanyahu see rubble, they see their home. and it is absolutely despicable that this would be presented to the president of the united states, and that he would take it as a trophy of what's been happening and the destruction that that that the united states

has had a direct hand in unleashing on the palestinian people. >> francesca, one of the things that trump kept insisting was that palestinians actually don't want to return to their homes. who would want to live there? he kept saying, watch this. >> why would they want to return? the place has been hell. it's been one of the meanest, one of the meanest, toughest places on earth. >> well, this was the scene just a few weeks ago. after 477 days of hell, hundreds of thousands of palestinians knowing their homes were damaged, trucked to the north, knowing that their homes were most likely destroyed. and this was an instagram post from a defiant young girl from gaza. and just watch this reaction. >> and. her ipad out of character with her. tears. you

know, i. must. sherman and she said no. we. had no had no. but we had. >> for a guy who spends a lot of time on social media. francesca, you know, obviously trump is not seeing those videos. he would know that palestinians don't want to leave their homeland. >> yeah, i mean, that entire presser was giving big like, who could have done this vibes, you know, and fully in the i think you should leave hot dog costume as netanyahu sits right next to him and he's like, you know, it's terrible. it's all been bombed. you're like, yeah, he's the guy who's been doing it with your bombs. but i just want to name that the spirit of this young girl who whose spirit? i think a lot of us who have been

getting our news via palestinians directly and journalists on the ground in the last 16 months, we've seen that spirit. we've seen it broken, we've seen it maimed, we've seen the carnage. and this panel is a testament. we are three young non-palestinian ostensible democrats. but progressives, i'm assuming i don't want to speak for you guys, and we care deeply about palestinian human rights. this is a galvanizing issue for young democrats. this has brought us out to the streets. and what have we received for it? the chiding of the democratic party, the, you know, the deaf ears of the democratic party. and i just want to lay it out for those of you watching at home who might feel prickly or upset or thought that this was the issue, you know, that everyone should have just gotten in line and shut up. just remember, authoritarianism is what gets people to fall in line. that's not our side. the difference the discussion, the friction that is a sign of a real democratic party. that's a sign of a country that's run by the people, for the people. if

you truly believe in democracy, so don't shy away from that. don't shy away from honestly a break with war and militarism and the democratic party. it's high time we do it. and it's a winning issue. >> and we're going to talk a little bit more specifically about the democratic party's response to all of this. my panel is sticking around. up next, we're going to talk about next, we're going to talk about trump's imperialistic here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! ♪♪ did you take your vitamin today? that's my job. ♪♪ nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.

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>> we talked before the break about trump's comments about gaza, the latest in his list of imperialistic fantasies canada, greenland, the panama canal. he's even floated the idea of attacking mexico to go after drug cartels. but we have been here before. trump was toying with the idea of buying greenland back in 2019. and with respect to what he said about gaza, it is not the first time he has described foreign land as prime real estate. in 2018, he said north korea could be a seaside paradise if its dictator played nice with the west. in case it's not clear, none of this fits with his so-called america first agenda. but it does fit trump's habit of spitballing reckless ideas without a single care about the chaos it creates. back to my panel. let me get your thoughts on this. i mean, obviously, we don't know whether or not trump is serious about any of these suggestions or threats. we don't know if he'll even try to go after them. but just tell me about how you interpret them, how you see them. are they are

they harmful? do they reflect a little bit of america's imperialistic past? >> it is exactly a reflection of america's imperialistic past. this is manifest destiny 2.0 is the same sort of thinking that led the united states to steal so much of mexican land back in the mexican-american war. it's what led the united states to literally steal a piece of colombia to create panama in order to have access to the seas, to create the panama canal. and now, you know, trump saying he wants to take it back. this is this is what the united states has done time and time again. it has always wanted the land, the natural resources, the culture of people. except it doesn't want the actual people. we're seeing that now, even with with deportations, people, you know, they want to get rid of the people, but somehow they

still want to have our labor, have our culture, have our food. and so to me, these fantasies are very dangerous because they create an environment in which, again, it dehumanizes people. it places, it places us sort of on a different, almost on a different citizenship level. right. it creates this sort of double standard of what is valuable, and it wants everything that we have to give except our bodies. >> and for him, francesca, what is valuable is obviously real estate. i mean, ultimately, we've heard trump say things like this before. he he quickly reduces land where people live, where there's lineage, where there's, you know, agency and history to nothing more than seaside property and rivieras and casinos. i mean, what does this pattern reveal about how he views countries and territories? >> as places to personally get rich? i just think it's very funny, though, because it's the it's such a hallmark of a dying

empire to be like, i want to go back and recolonize. it's like we're the prom king that, you know, like, can't get a date, like, you know, on the fourth wife type vibes. like, we're just like, going back, like, this is also not what i think maga signed up for, right? they're tired of wars. i think that a lot of the maga base, like i think the general public saw what happened in iraq and afghanistan and are like, no more forever wars. we're, you know, and donald trump weaponized that in bad faith. and now he's opening up all these other fronts. the idea that we are having mexico and canada classify anyone who's trafficking drugs as terrorists is a dangerous gambit that we do not want to play. so, okay, so you're going to, you know, end i don't know, whatever war he thinks he's going to end and then open up like a thousand fronts in this war on drugs that is going to go nowhere and call it a war on terror. we're going to start to see some of the violence that we've exported to

central america. we're going to start to see that come to the united states. >> well lead, a former cia officer said that trump's comments about retaking or taking gaza, i should say not retaking, but basically reengaging in the middle east militarily and reoccupying arab and muslim lands would be a counterterrorist worst nightmare. i'm just curious to get your reading of this. how how real are these threats that trump makes? how do you think we should be reacting to him when he says things like, we're going to take it over? >> well, if the united states goal is to reduce the threat of terrorism, anything they've done in the past year and anything since what donald trump announced this past week, does not help counterterrorism efforts. i do think that the threat or even the talking about united states occupying gaza, is a huge recruiting drive for anyone who would want to commit terrorism or violent acts. it fulfills the fantasies of, you know, far right extremists and

in the united states, but it also fills the fantasies of extremists of what they think the united states is ultimately up to in the middle east, which is occupying their lands. at the end of the day, some of the stuff around panama and greenland, i think, are, you know, these kind of gilded age fantasies to provoke spectacle. and as soon as the whole country and the media is talking, he's waving the flag, showing maps. the more we talk about that, the more we give, give credence to those ideas, the less we're noticing how he's picking people's pockets, how he's, you know, giving his billionaire donor the federal bureaucracy, how the cost of eggs are still going up under the trump administration. these are policies. these are, these are these are spectacles. in order to get all of us talking, while we don't notice what he's actually doing to working class people he's claiming to fight for in this country. >> yeah. and i was going to say, i think it's a very important point that walid brings up, julissa, about how some of this is a distraction. the media chases this. we talk about it for days. at the same time, the

project 2025 takeover of the government is in is in full swing. it's hard to imagine that his base cares about taking over greenland or reoccupying gaza. or i keep saying reoccupying, but taking over gaza and reoccupying a land in the middle east. but ultimately it's not going to raise the price of eggs for people. it's lower the price of eggs for people. it's not going to make their cost of living more affordable. >> it's not. but the rhetoric works, right? renaming the gulf of mexico the gulf of america does give maga a sort of a sort of feeling that the president has them, that the president understands that, that the president has their best interests at heart. and that is what, unfortunately for us, donald trump has done so well, is that this spectacle in some ways does work for his base because it's a distraction, right? then they're not thinking about the fact that they go to

the grocery store, and if there are eggs at the grocery store, they are $10 a carton, right? because they can feel good about the fact that the gulf of mexico is now going to be called the gulf of america. so i do actually, in fact, think that some of these distractions do work, and they do galvanize his base, unfortunately. >> i mean, we could have used that a little bit under the biden administration. right. just a little more flair would have been fun. and also, like, i'm so sick of talking about eggs. donald trump raised the price of pharmaceutical drugs immediately. he raised everyone's pharmaceuticals. and there are head start programs. there are daycares that are literally not open right now because the government is not being funded. so, you know, eggs are like, so last on my list. >> yeah, i. >> care about eggs because my toddler eats them every day. >> same, same. >> it is bad. >> everyone stay put. we're going to we're going to talk a little bit more about proof that

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streets. my panel is back with me, walid. it turns out mass deportations isn't as easy of a task as trump thought or promised. we also have to point out that most of the people who have been arrested thus far don't have criminal convictions, as he said he would be doing. propublica and the texas tribune found that less than half of them have criminal record. what do you make of the president's and his cabinet so far? grandstanding over this issue? >> i mean, donald trump has now run two presidential campaigns, or, i guess, three presidential campaigns around the thesis that immigrants are to blame for all of america's problems, all of the american economy stagnating. and on some level, there is there is a little bit we can go into here, which is that america does have a labor crisis. it doesn't have an immigration crisis, so to speak, in that we have a two tiered labor system in which if you have an undocumented labor, it does end up driving the price of wages

down for corporations to benefit. and the easiest way to solve this would be to legalize, to offer citizenship to 11 million undocumented americans, most of whom are working class, most of whom paid more taxes than elon musk does, or elon musk companies do. and they these are people who are the labor force behind construction in this country daycare, elderly care, home care, agriculture. over 70% of agricultural workers are undocumented. and the reason they have been living in the shadows is because corporations want to exploit these workers to pay them lower wages than they would citizens. and if donald trump succeeds with mass deportations, one all of these industries would be devastated. and that would drive the price up for american consumers. and two, it wouldn't solve anything because this country thrives off undocumented labor, off having a low labor pool to exploit. and they would. undocumented labor will always return to this country unless there's a pathway for these workers to have citizenship, to raise wages, which would raise wages for everyone, give them collective

bargaining power, and be able to create prosperity for everyone. donald trump knows that mass deportations won't lower prices, won't increase jobs for citizens. he just knows it's a way to divide america and to gain votes for himself. >> julissa. the guardian also has reporting that year's old ice press releases on their arrests are popping up on google's first search page, making it seem as though some of these just happened again, like kind of reinforcing this propagandistic narrative that the government is trying to put out there. and all of these archived press releases show that they were updated on january 24th of this year. like trump and his allies once again grandstanding. it seems like a whole lot of smoke and mirrors, but this is what they want to convey to the public. >> yes. >> donald trump made promises to his followers that he was going to crack down on immigration, and therefore he needs to rely on all the possible tb and tricks theatrics that he can, whether it's whether it's doctor

phil going on ice raids in chicago or using military planes to deport 80 people at the cost of $800,000 of flight costs that the taxpayers are bearing. but the reality is that the you know, when we just say just 1100 people were deported instead of 2700 people, as someone who was formerly undocumented for more than ten years, it's real people that are getting caught up in this deportation rates. and by the way, it's not just immigrants who are getting caught up. it is also black and brown us citizens. we've seen reports of puerto ricans who are u.s. citizens being detained because they're speaking spanish. and this is not the first time that this has happened. it has happened in the past that us citizens, latino, us citizens who were born in this country, have been caught up in this deportation rates. and that is going to continue to happen because people are on the other side of this issue, people

who have families who have roots in this country and, you know, some people who have roots in this country that go back farther than before it was called the united states. >> francesca. yesterday, nbc news learned that the trump administration is looking to restart family detention. of course, a reminder that cruelty is always the point here, and this could mean an increase in arrests of children and teens. and, you know, here we have trump worried about deportation numbers, and now they're getting ready to target children. >> yeah, i mean, we're this obviously was something that happened under obama that i think many of us were against. and thankfully, biden ended this practice in 2021 and allowed family members to go to where they had family to not be held in detention. however, they had ankle monitors. they were absolutely monitored. every single movement. people knew where they were. right. the difference is you're treating them humanely. so yeah, trump's got to go for the cruelty. he's

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democratic party scapegoat edition after donald trump's call for a u.s. takeover of gaza democratic party elites who used to support the biden-harris foreign policy suddenly cared deeply about the ethnic cleansing of palestinians. take democratic strategist and cnn commentator bakari sellers, who had this to say. we would have been in a. >> much better situation. >> there was not. >> a question. >> about ethnic cleansing. >> if kamala harris would have been the president. >> of the. >> united states. >> there was not a question of ethnic cleansing, really. this is what gaza has been reduced to using american weapons provided by the biden harris administration. and forget ethnic cleansing. the world's major humanitarian organizations have already declared it a genocide. this is especially rich coming from bakari sellers. if he is so concerned about defeating republicans, why did he waste so much time and money trying to unseat michigan

democratic congresswoman rashida tlaib from office? and take a look at this old post from sellers proudly posing for a photo at the right wing aipac conference with the people who would go on to become two of donald trump's biggest financial backers, sheldon and miriam adelson. the caption reads reminder. just an example of how israel can bring parties together. but it wasn't just sellers. ana navarro, co-host of the view and another cnn commentator, used trump's deadly proposal not to express empathy or solidarity with the palestinians, but to scold student protesters, saying i'm looking forward to all the protests on college campuses tomorrow against trump. you know, like there was against harris. now this is, again, especially rich coming from navarro. despite spending most of her career as a republican political strategist, she didn't just get to speak at the democratic national convention. she hosted the second night, the very same democratic convention that infamously refused to allow a palestinian democrat, a

democrat, to give a two minute dnc vetted speech endorsing the vice president, kamala harris. the democratic party has a 31% approval rating. most voters don't like or trust them, and pretending to care about issues only when they can be used to scapegoat voters, in this case, arabs and muslims and other allies isn't going to help their cause. i hope they learn that my panel is back with me. walid, you were a key part of the uncommitted movement. a lot of party elites are using this opportunity to take aim at the uncommitted movement. and you specifically actually voted for kamala harris. but i want to give you a chance to respond to what we're hearing from a lot of these democratic elite. >> well, what's interesting to me is that no one is willing to defend the policies of the biden administration or of netanyahu at all. they completely ignore the substance of the issue, which is what did biden do to the people of gaza? and so on some level, i think this is a coping mechanism for people who

understand the depravity and immorality of what they were silent about for over a year, and it's a way to shield from their own moral and political failures, and the fact that they can't treat palestinians with empathy because of what they signed on to or were complicit with. the second thing i'll say is that this is a moment in which, like democrats really need to be looking in the mirror around questions of elite condescension. i don't think palestine is unique to this democratic elite sneered and condescended to voters who were concerned that biden was too old to be to run for president. they condescended to voters who thought the cost of living was too high. they condescended to voters who were concerned about gaza. and this is all part of a pattern in which democrat democratic elites don't listen to voters, don't listen to their own members of their party, and they pretend they know better, and that people should just get in line and vote for them, and they don't actually have to work to earn the trust or support. this is a time where we need to grow the tent, listen to voters,

make the biggest tent possible, take on musk and trump and maga, and the fact that we're pushing people even further and further away from the party is not a path to a democratic majority. >> i think this week, f me, francesca kind of proves that democrats are admitting that gaza cost harris the election if they felt that these voters in michigan and elsewhere were insignificant, i don't think they would be sitting here, you know, saying what they're saying now. i mean, they thought these voters were a small minority, that they can be ignored. and now they're acknowledging that they actually had power, and they're acknowledging that their voice was crucial in this election. >> absolutely. i mean, it was very clear the entire time that the voice was crucial. and that's why it was so important to get all of us who cared about genocide to just shut up. and it's so ironic because and it's so sad and so enraging because every time palestinian human rights were mentioned inside the convention of the dnc, the biggest applause breaks everyone

was loving on on kamala harris for speaking out for anyone saying anything, right. that was a felt like a shred of a ray of hope because there was, again, just you just say the word kamala, and we will absolutely support you in breaking with joe biden when it comes to sending israel blank checks for their ongoing genocide. but you didn't hear it, and therefore the party line was all these young kids. i, even though many more people cared about it, should just shut up. look, genocide should not be a partizan issue, all right? it is so sad that this is where we have come. and this is about international and american law. we should not be selling weapons to a country that is bombing schools, bombing hospitals with our tax dollars. >> and julissa, to waleed's point this blame the voters attitude from democrats is not just happening during this past election. it's not only about

gaza. i mean, when stories come up about migrants from latin america, you know, and specifically countries where latin american migrants are being deported to, we see some democrats sort of gleefully taunting them because more latino voters voted for trump this cycle. i mean, again, this was not a navarro posting about a story of venezuelan americans feeling betrayed by trump for ending their temporary protected status and saying, basically, fudge around and find out. i mean, it's gleefully taunting people that are now being deported. and she's making it as if like, hey, you guys deserve this, you guys, this is what you guys voted for. this is what you guys sat out for. this is what you guys didn't support kamala harris i don't think that's a good look for the democratic party. >> yeah. >> i mean, listen, i say this as someone who did vote for kamala harris, who did go to nevada to knock on doors and, and, you know, try to get people to, to vote for her. because to me, the alternative of trump was, was beyond anything that i could

wrap my mind around. so i say this, you know, with that preview, which is to say that democrats lost the election because democrats lost the election and not because of any one group of voters. and, you know, to me, the biggest issue, if you if i could put one issue to say, this is why we lost, this is why democrats lost, is because we spent more time catering to republicans and trying to get republicans to become democrats than we do preaching to the choir. i am so tired of hearing that we have to preach beyond the choir and preach beyond the choir, because we completely forget that there are people who want to be energized, who we absolutely do not talk to. there were so many. there were millions and millions of americans who did not vote in this election. so this narrative that most americans voted for donald trump is actually false, because most, most americans did not vote for him. the vast majority of americans either voted for kamala harris or did

not vote at all. and so i would rather us see our time, spend our time trying to talk to those voters, try to try to talk to those known voters and convert them into voters by listening to what they actually what they actually care about. and, you know, i will just say, i, you know, i will not fault anyone who is who was a long lived republican who in earnest becomes a democrat. so, you know, if anna now wants to be a democrat, like, welcome to the party. and, you know, let's just kind of chit chat about your your messaging because, yes, we should not be blaming voters. we should not be saying this is what you get, especially when we're talking about people who are who are getting deported and who are losing everything, who are losing their families. >> isn't it funny? i got. >> to leave it. >> at that, waleed shahid, julissa rc and francesca fiorentini. thank you. i know we can talk a lot more about this. we'll look forward to having you all three back at some point. thank you so much. next up,

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instead, per a recent decision by league officials, it is expected to say choose love. the nfl says the shift was an effort to acknowledge the disasters the country has endured in recent weeks, and the words of its spokesman, the league is, quote, in a unique position to lift the imagination of the country. well, the timing of this change is interesting. donald trump himself will be present at the game. in fact, he'll be the first sitting u.s. president to attend a super bowl. on its surface, the switch does seem as if the nfl might be giving in to trump, or at least trying to avoid trouble with him. the man who signed executive orders to dismantle diversity, equity and inclusion and programs across the federal government. if it is the cowardly suck up to trump that many seem to think it is, that's a telling move about the nfl's priorities on its biggest day of the year. but here's the thing. trump has repeatedly influenced the nfl in the past, and not for the better. back in 2016, colin kaepernick, the then quarterback of the san francisco 49 ers, took a knee during the

national anthem to protest police brutality. donald trump responded by suggesting kaepernick should leave the united states. and as another nfl players and many notable ones as well, began kneeling in protest, trump demanded owners fire or suspend them, and actually urged fans to boycott the league. in 2017, he called players who protested, quote, sons of b, and that kicked off what has been called a war between trump and the nfl. players, coaches and even franchise owners joined in on the protests and showed defiance against trump by kneeling or linking arms in solidarity during the anthem. as a result, the league's popularity took a hit during trump's first term, with criticism coming from both sides of the political aisle. it's recovered in years since, in part due to the 2019 partnership between the nfl and jay-z's roc nation to revamp the super bowl halftime show. the ratings have bounced back, with performances from stars like the weeknd and rihanna and usher, and this time the headliner is

kendrick lamar, who just swept the grammys and won both song and record of the year. he is a rapper who has long been viewed as an icon of black excellence. he's won a pulitzer prize for his work, and he also criticized donald trump in a 2017 song. this slew of performances by black artists, now topped by lamar, comes as the nfl has made an effort to address accusations of racial inequality in its hiring practices and treatment of black players and coaches in recent years. back in 2020, in the aftermath of george floyd's murder by a white police officer and the nationwide protests that followed, the nfl made tangible efforts to support social justice issues and committed to giving hundreds of millions of dollars to equality initiatives. the nfl also began stenciling and racism in the back of the end zone and playing the black national anthem before games. commissioner roger goodell stood by the nfl's diversity policies this week, saying they are not going anywhere despite the current political climate. and if that is true, why this sudden change in end in the end zone

slogan about ending racism a small, if surface level declaration of an anti-racist stance. i mean, in that sense, to see the nfl bend at the knee, to the man who relentlessly attacked black players, who protested for racial justice in this country and who blatantly disrespected the nfl during this, you know, his time in office four years ago is not just ironic as the nation describes it, trump's presence sunday is an affront to anti-racist athletes, and it's an affront to every fan who doesn't think someone currently acting outside the law should be on a pedestal. at the most widely viewed sporting event of the year, performative anti-racism isn't worth much, but performative erasure is far, far worse. thank you for making time for us this evening. catch. i'm back here next weekend on msnbc at 7 p.m. eastern. you can, of course, find us on blue sky. and instagram at msnbc. and you can also listen to every episode of amen as a podcast.

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