esright now if she could hear you? kim peterson: just that you're still in my heart, and i'll never forget you. whenever that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. [theme music] >> good morning. >> and welcome. to this sunday. edition of morning joe. weekend. it was another fast moving news week. that's an understatement. and here are. >> some of the. >> conversations you might have missed. >> president has not.

>> committed to putting boots. >> on the. >> ground in gaza. he has also said that the united states is not going to. >> pay. >> for the rebuilding. >> of gaza. >> his administration. >> is going to work. with our partners. in the region to reconstruct. >> this region. >> and let me just take a step. >> back here. >> because this is. an out. >> of the box idea. >> that's who. >> president trump is. >> that's why. >> the american people elected him. >> and his goal is. >> lasting peace in the middle. >> east for. >> all. >> people in the region. >> what president trump announced yesterday is the offer, the willingness of the united states to become responsible for the reconstruction of that area. it was. >> not meant. as a. >> hostile move. it was meant as a, i think, a very generous move. the offer to rebuild and to be in charge of the rebuilding of a place, many parts of which right now, even if people move back, they would have nowhere to live safely because there are still unexploded munitions and debris and rubble. >> the definition of insanity. >> is attempting to do. >> the same. >> thing over and over. >> and. over again. and as the. >> president and prime minister

pointed out. last night. >> the president is willing to think outside the box, look for new and. >> unique, dynamic ways to solve problems that have felt. >> like they're intractable. >> joe, interesting to hear from defense secretary hegseth and secretary of state rubio there, because it's reported this morning in the new york times that president trump did not consult either the department of defense or the department of state before making this announcement in an open press availability with prime minister benjamin netanyahu. so again, what we're seeing is donald trump throwing out a radical idea. his staff scrambling in behind him, and really, the whole of the american government scrambling behind him to make sense of it or to explain. >> it away. >> well, you know, and that really is and i've been saying this for months now. i've been talking about the need to separate the signal from the ground noise. and when he said this, so many people sort of laughed, rolled their eyes, said, oh, he's just saying it. maybe sometimes he does that to distract from something else that's going on. maybe it's elon

musk ripping through the federal government and trying to get access to things. he doesn't have the legal right to get access to. or maybe it is, just as we've said about the tariffs from the beginning. maybe it is the opening bid of something present, something so shocking that other countries have to reset in the way they negotiate. and that is the way he works. david ignatius and even though many of our allies and fewer of our enemies understand that, i know i spoke with people in the region over the past couple of days, and even if it was an opening bid, even if a day after everybody is saying, okay, well, they seem to be backing off, talk about your reporting and how our allies were were were deeply shaken by this. so our enemies, our enemies were thrilled by this because what

propaganda for iran, what propaganda for hamas, what propaganda for our enemies at the imperialist america now wants to come over. but but, but talk about it. because when we say arab countries were upset, that used. >> to. >> be our enemies are upset. now, those arab countries, those sunni arab countries are close allies. they were deeply shaken by this, and even the dhs had to send out, as you reported, a chilling warning about the possibility of terror strikes as a result of this change in posture. >> so, joe, like. >> trump's tariff. >> policies, what. >> was shocking. >> about this was. >> that it was an assault on our closest. >> friends and allies. >> jordan and egypt, which are the two countries that matter most in terms of the security of israel. the when the proposal was. >> made. >> the reaction in the arab world was immediate. people were on the phone. i'm told that

ahmed bin. >> salman. >> the crown prince of saudi arabia, was talking. >> yesterday to. >> to king abdullah in jordan, offering him assurance that that donald trump is not going. >> to. >> roll us. >> into supporting this proposal. >> by midday. >> the reaction was so. >> strong that. >> you could see trump. >> through the white house spokesman backing. away from. >> some details. >> of the plan. this had been announced as a takeover. we're going to take gaza. we're going to take it with troops. >> but by. >> midday. >> no, no boots on the ground. >> the reality. is that this. >> is a. >> this is a crazy proposal. the idea that the united states would take over property in the most explosive. war prone part of the world, and that a president who said i'm going to end middle east wars would be championing it. it's just it makes your head spin. it's likely that this isn't going anywhere. but is it the opening bid. >> the opening. >> bid to what? the truth. >> is a. >> solution for gaza.

>> the president is right. >> gaza looks like a demolition zone. i've seen it with my. >> own eyes. every building. >> you see. >> in every. >> direction has. >> been destroyed. what's going to be done if trump's. >> idea. >> is a bad one, what's a good one? >> and there are lots. >> of. >> ideas out there. >> the israelis have been. resisting many of the ones. >> the us has proposed. >> if this is the opening of a real. >> discussion about how you rebuild. >> gaza. >> so much the better. but but. trump's initial version. of this was. >> so disorienting. >> for the region. >> that it got a big pushback. >> and i do think. >> is going. >> to be. >> fodder for. >> terror groups that would. like to inspire. >> radical action in the united states. i did. >> quote this morning. a memo that was sent out in. >> the early. hours of. >> yesterday morning by dhs. noting the. >> likelihood that there would be protest. >> demonstrations around. >> the country and. >> that if they turn violent, people. >> would. >> have to deal with that. so i think already there's. >> a. there's a. >> sense that this may.

>> be triggering precisely the kind of. threat within. >> the homeland. >> that we shouldn't be wanting. >> so. >> so, david. >> let me ask you if this was an attempt to just throw everybody off balance and set up an opening bid for something different, because as the wall street journal editorial page said, going back to the status quo with hamas in charge certainly is not an option. that was that was this morning's wall street journal editorial lead editorial. so what is this an opening bid for? is this an opening? perhaps the saudis, the emiratis, other, the jordanians, other people in the region coming in with an arab peacekeeping force? what what could this be an opening bid to what could and do you have any reporting on what donald trump was trying to get to? >> so donald. >> trump's vision and. >> this does go back. >> many months. >> and. maybe even years. >> i had one senior arab officials say this is.

>> the. >> deal of the century coming back. this we're going back. >> to. >> to trump's first term. >> and let's just. >> turn over everything and start again with american leadership. >> so maybe. >> there are echoes of that. certainly jared kushner, his son in law, was. talking a year ago. you can see him on on. tape at a harvard seminar, talking about the need to turn gaza into a wonderful waterfront. he was talking about moving people out into the negev desert, which is in israel, not. >> to egypt. >> and jordan. so this is an idea that's been cooking for trump. but he does have a sort of real estate developers sense of here's opportunity, here's a demolition zone. let's figure out a way to rebuild it in terms of what would be a sane alternative. the biden administration, secretary of state and national security advisor, both have been pushing the idea that you need a day after in gaza, in which you gradually give the palestinian authority more and more

responsibility so that you have palestinians who are vetted by israel, who have shown that they can handle security. >> duties. >> being responsible there. i don't see a better way than that. i don't i mean, so that that's not something trump is sympathetic to, but he better start looking at it because i don't see another way. >> yeah. >> david, clearly bringing a. >> developer's mindset to. the most fragile. >> and fragmented. >> foreign policy threat and debacle in the world. >> carlos, this. >> was seemingly the one. >> thing that republicans. >> knee jerk reaction was. >> to say. >> this is crazy. >> insane, deranged. >> those were actual quotes that we heard from. >> republicans and democrats alike. why is. >> this the issue that they're. >> willing to go to bat on. >> against the administration? is it because it just seems so. >> out there. >> that they feel like there's. >> not. >> a political tax? >> well, number one. >> it's pretty obvious, right? and i think easy to dismiss it is a radical idea, to be fair, not more radical than having terrorists run gaza, but still a radical idea. and at the same

time, it's inconsistent with what trump has been telling congressional republicans and the country. for so long, right, that we should be investing in our own country, that we should withdraw. >> from. >> conflict zones, that we shouldn't. >> put our. >> men and women in harm's way. while putting people. in gaza seems pretty dangerous to me. so i think a lot of. >> people on the. hill and. >> i was up there yesterday. were just. >> kind of. surprised that he. >> would propose something that is so distant. from the persona that he's created, from this idea that he's promoted, that the. united states should actually withdraw from the world stage. >> you're watching. >> morning joe weekend. >> morning joe weekend. >> we'll be. baby: liberty! mom: liberty mutual is all she talks about since we saved hundreds by bundling our home and auto insurance. baby: liberty! biberty: hey kid, it's pronounced "biberty." baby: liberty! biberty: biberty! baby: liberty! biberty: biberty! baby: liberty! biberty: bi-be-rty! baby: biberty! biberty: and now she's mocking me. very mature.

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oval office ceremony. >> attended by. >> president trump and administered by supreme court justice clarence thomas. it was. >> the. >> first cabinet swearing in ceremony the president has attended. trump praised bondi's record as a prosecutor and said she will restore, quote, impartial justice. >> at the department. >> i think she's going to be as impartial as you can possibly be. i know i'm supposed to say she's going to be totally impartial with respect to democrats, and i think she will be as impartial as a person can be. i'm not sure if there's a possibility of totally, but she's going to be as total as you can get. she's going to end the weaponization of federal law enforcement and restore honesty and integrity at the doj and the fbi. >> almost immediately. >> after. >> that swearing in ceremony, the attorney general got to work. bondi issued more than a dozen directives aimed at overhauling the justice department. in one memo, she created the, quote, weaponization working group to review the cases brought up against president trump, including the special counsel

cases and the manhattan hush money case. so jonathan lemire, she said pam bondi did during her confirmation hearing she would be looking forward, seemed to say suggest that she. >> would not. >> be targeting any employees, that she was just going to do the work of the justice system. but in her first act as attorney general, promising to investigate the investigators of donald trump. >> yeah, i mean, that message. >> is. >> pretty clear. and this is what donald trump promised. >> for two. >> years on the campaign trail that he would attack the so-called. weaponization of. >> government, that he would go. after the deep state. >> and we've seen that throughout what he and elon. musk are doing, rooting out. >> and destroying. >> huge swaths of the federal. >> bureaucracy, or at least trying to. and now in. >> the department of justice. this comes, of course, on the heels. of those eight fbi. directors being fired and now this chilling investigation of all those involved in january, six cases. and yes, you noted some. >> that the. >> bureau tried to provide some clarity. >> yesterday that. >> sort of suggesting. >> that, no, no, it'll just be

those who acted unlawfully. but you rightly noted who gets to decide that. what's the discretion there? and certainly pam bondi out of the gate, says this is going to be a major priority. >> and. >> joe, we need to just. >> talk about the setting. >> for a second here. it's not just that this. >> is the first swearing. >> in that president. >> trump attended. this was done in the. >> oval office itself. >> these things do not tend to happen in the oval office. we have seen other cabinet secretaries, even just recent days, and certainly with previous presidents, they get sworn in executive chambers, i believe kristi noem was sworn in at clarence thomas's house. even though there's a wide. >> variety of. >> settings, the oval office is unusual. message sent. yeah. >> unusual message sent. katty kay, what is so fascinating is how badly the entire investigating the investigators ruse has gone. we can go back to john durham, who completely humiliated himself, really destroyed a great reputation by.

you know, coming up empty. one, one bad decision after another, one dismissed, case after another. so you have that example, and you also have chairman comer and his examples, of course, how badly that went where you ended up having fellow republicans, the wall street journal editorial page, everybody else going, please just stop when here's the biggest problem with investigating the investigators. when you investigate the investigators, you've got to bring up the underlying facts of what the investigators were investigating. and donald trump certainly doesn't want that for january the 6th. does he really want to get the testimony that that the committee got? does he really want to go through all that? he doesn't want to bring up the hush money case? i mean, they they can do it internally.

but but but to have it spill out. >> publicly. >> that's just that's not. good for donald trump. if he's really looking forward. because looking back only digs up a lot of soil that he and his political allies do not want dug up. >> yeah, in some. >> ways, for this administration, it might be much easier just to get rid. >> of all. >> of. >> the fbi. >> agents who. >> were involved in. >> the prosecution. >> cases of january. >> the 6th. >> rather than to actually. >> dig into the details of it. it was interesting that it was announced. >> on day one. >> by pam bondi. >> she clearly. >> knows who. >> her boss is and what. >> he's looking for. >> having that ceremony in the oval office in the white house. so unusual. but maybe she was trying to send a message. yes. look, i'm coming straight out of. >> the. >> gate doing. >> exactly what it is that you. want me to do. >> let's see how. >> far it actually goes. but. >> congressman. >> when you look. >> at what is happening across the federal government. >> at the moment, whether. >> it is in the justice. >> department. >> whether it is in the cia as

well, whether it is in the. >> fbi, where buyouts have been offered, what is the concern. that in this bid to i get it to sort of disrupt. >> the american. >> government, which. >> could do with some disruption. with these buyouts. >> my experience. >> with buyout offers is. >> the people who are in the best position to leave because. >> they. >> can get jobs elsewhere. the people who are less qualified tend. >> to stay. >> is are all of these. >> agencies now. >> including the doj, at risk of losing some of their best people? >> definitely. and look, in the era of trump, i think it's tough to sift through and figure out what is essential because there's so much coming at us all the time. this stuff at the justice department is essential, right? when we're talking about the rule of law. >> i mean. >> it's not just about people's. >> rights. >> but it's also just about the economy. >> and business, right? everything in. >> this country depends on the rule of law, on predictability, on an understanding that you have certain rights, that the government is going to protect those rights, not come after you. >> so i. >> would tell.

>> the. >> opposition, the democrats, who i think have been guilty of a sky is falling approach every day, especially during the first trump administration. i think they've learned a little bit this time. but this stuff is essential. the justice department, the cia, the way these employees are being treated in terms of the buyouts, look. i think probably people who were going to retire sometime soon. might take. >> the buyouts. >> the reports that i've seen up to now don't show droves of people leaving these agencies, but we do have to watch out for that. >> but going. back to the topic. >> of figuring out what the opposition should focus on, what the media should focus on, i think it's things like this we can get distracted easily. we can. fall into the trap of. >> for example. >> gaza and focusing on. >> that for. >> days. >> that's likely. >> not going to happen. that doesn't have any immediate implications. what happens at the justice department does. >> yeah. >> also, you could add to that list the unelected billionaire having access to payments. >> at the treasury department. >> the list is very long right now. former republican

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>> outdoor cameras and live agent monitoring? >> stop. >> this is simplisafe. >> whoa! i didn't even see those guys. there's no safe. like, simply safe. >> we are. >> going to. >> fight this fight. >> i am going. >> to. >> stand with. >> you in this fight and we. >> will win. >> we will win. >> we will. >> win. >> we will. >> win. >> we will. >> win, we. >> will win. >> we will win. >> we won't rest. we won't rest. we won't rest. we won't rest. >> thank you everybody. >> let's bring in. >> former democratic. >> congressman tim ryan of ohio. >> tim. >> you had a strong reaction to that appearance by minority leader schumer. >> your thoughts, sir? yeah. >> i just you know, sitting. >> here in ohio and. >> watching that all. >> go down. >> you just. >> think that that is not the

messenger. and that's not kind of the visual we. >> need. >> i think, to start turning this thing around. and i just i just think, you know. schumer's brand. is not good. and all of the things that you guys just the, you know. >> itemized and. >> illustrated, it doesn't matter. >> if you. don't have. >> a message. >> and a messenger that can communicate. >> that thing. >> i think i think guys like chris murphy are lighting it up right now. you know, schatz is doing a great job. there are people out there that should be in front of the. >> cameras. >> and there are certain people that should not be. the stakes are too high. and i thought, you know, those things look a lot like political rallies. this is a very serious time in our country's history. and i understand the importance of things like usaid. i said on the defense appropriations committee, those programs are critical, pushing back on china, on russia, lifting people out of poverty. but are we going to die on the foreign aid hill? like,

no, that's not really a good idea. and so i think between the message and the messenger, let's stay focused on these privacy issues. i thought liz shuler did a great job from the afl-cio. let's put murphy and schatz and these guys, others in front of the camera, and you just can't go with the same brand that just got our clocks cleaned. you know, just a couple of months ago. >> well. >> you. >> know. >> the, >> the. usaid issue. >> though. >> i think it's more than. >> just. >> again, i, i think it's more than just foreign aid. and i say just foreign aid. i understand that may not be popular with a lot of americans, but as i've said time and again, we don't just provide foreign aid for them. we provide foreign aid for the strategic advantages that it gives the united states. for the intel that we get on al qaeda, the intel that we get on isis, isis, the intel that we get on

chinese spies, the intel that we get on russian spies, the intel that we get on iran all across whatever region the u.s. aid goes into. so that's certainly important. but, tim, i mean, this is what i don't understand about any of this stuff. i think if you and i were there, let's. say you and i were there this week. and we were members this. >> week, you. >> and i would hold a press conference. we would get the smartest lawyers around us. we would file for injunctive relief. we would hold a press conference in front of the supreme court. we would demand our d.c. circuit. we would demand immediate action because people are being fired. american interests across the globe are being shattered. children are starving. across the world, the united states reputation is being irreparably damaged, all by an unconstitutional act. you've got this. you've got this like billionaire running around

doing. >> that, that. >> that, that. >> members of congress do. >> like he doesn't have the right. >> to do what he's doing. >> and we would probably even say that at the press conference. not saying it, screaming and yelling, but just kind of laughing like, are you kidding me? >> he can't do. >> this and. >> go for injunctive relief. i've asked a question like a thousand times. when are they going for injunctive relief on a guy going into agencies and, and like shutting down agencies when he just doesn't have the constitutional right to do that? is it really that hard? >> well, i only wish i could have served with you in congress, joe, because that would have been that would have been a lot of fun. but yeah, i mean, that's that's kind of what i'm saying here is like, is this the best we could do? like, where is the injunctive relief? where where's where's the articulation to rank and file american citizens as to what the

strategy is here and, and the legal strategy and what's the legislative strategy? what's the appropriation strategy like? get us in on the game here. so we know that there's actually a game plan here for us to push back on this. and i think when you're talking about debt ceiling relief appropriations bills, you better drag my rear end before congress like this guy. not not for congress's sake, but for the american people. like, here's here's what makes it complicated is the american people know the government isn't working for them. they know the institutions are broken. but you know who's going to fix it? and democrats should have some plan on reinventing government like bill clinton did over the years and something like that. but the reality of it is you've got to bring these folks before congress. they need to articulate to the american people exactly what it is that they're doing. you need to have that legal strategy that starts, you know, shutting some of this stuff down needs to happen

immediately, because the rank and file people out here don't want to see a campaign event with chuck schumer. i'm sorry to say it. i don't mean to be a jerk, but that's just not going to get people animated and ready to do what they need to do to push back on some of this stuff. >> so. so, mike, there is obviously always been frustration. >> with the federal government. >> it doesn't move quickly enough. we need people that can go in and raise hell and do what ellen's doing, or do what somebody else is doing. but but mike. we have survived for 400 for 245 years, in part because madison created a constitution and madison created a government that was intentionally intended to frustrate the likes. >> of people. >> like elon musk. i i'm not just saying elon.

>> musk. >> i'm just saying in general, the thoughts of and i'm not calling him this, but we've heard this throughout history. petty tyrants. >> who would go. >> in and try to take over the government. so they so madison, forgive me for having to explain this, but obviously a lot of members of congress didn't take civics classes. we have three. >> equal. >> co-equal branches. >> article one. and i will tell you. >> the article one congress. they spend money, they appropriate money, they authorize money. and then they give that money to the agencies and the federal government. and yes, that's where the president goes in. and he knows how much money he has used there to use there. and then the courts decide what's constitutional, what's not constitutional. >> so people go. >> oh, okay, congress doesn't work. it's true. it's supposed. >> to be frustrating. >> you got a bill, you. got to

take it through the subcommittee. and you got to fight to. >> get it. >> out of the subcommittee. so then it goes to the committee of the. >> house, and then. >> you've got to fight and work. >> to. >> get it out of the. >> committee. >> and it's compromised and it's chopped up and it's frustrating. and then it goes to the house floor. and if you're lucky, you get 218 votes. and then the senate, the house of lords, as we call them, they get their say and the house of lords determine how they're going to change it. then we have a conference committee. then it goes to the president who either signs. >> it or vetoes it. >> he doesn't have a line item veto. he can't decide what he's going to take and what he doesn't want to take. and i will say the trump white house right now is setting themselves up for just a nightmare when they tried to negotiate with democrats, when they do actually need democratic votes, because they'll say, well, wait a second. my bill that i worked on for four years that i finally got, you know, the appropriations for the authorization for you, you're just line item.

>> veto it in. >> an unconstitutional way. why do i deal with you at all? so yes, it's frustrating, but. >> what has it led to? it led to an. >> american century. >> it led. >> to our government continuing 240, 245 years later. and i will say, despite the problem with a $36 trillion national debt, despite the problem with inflation over the last four years, the united states government. is still our our economy remains. >> the. >> envy of the world and our military relative to the rest of. >> the world. >> more powerful than any time since the end. >> of world. >> war two. so we're really going to just completely throw the rule book. we're really going to just throw the constitution out the window. >> because we feel. >> the vibe right now is a frustrated vibe. our feelings. >> are we've we feel. >> like we want to see this guy

go around, run roughshod without any constitutional boundaries. no. mike, please. this is ridiculous. you know. >> joe. >> god love you. you've been talking now for a couple of minutes about. an idealism and. >> a sense of innocence. >> that the country and the united. >> states. >> congress. >> both houses, used to have. i believe. >> that that's gone. >> not forever, but it's. gone right now. and it's. >> certainly been. >> diminished by. >> the appearance of donald j. >> trump. >> and, tim, to you. >> i would. >> ask you this in warfare. >> political warfare or any other kind of warfare. the root cause. >> and the root. >> thing that happens is you've got to know. >> your enemy. >> and it appears. >> to me that donald. >> trump, who has been on the scene for a long, long. >> time and. >> he's been president now twice. >> that the democrats. >> seemingly still do not know. >> their enemy. >> this is a man who clearly

jonathan lemire read something that he wrote on truth social this morning, extending. his view on gaza becoming the mar-a-lago of the mediterranean or whatever was in his head. this is a man who cannot stand to be corrected, and he's president of the. >> united states. and we. >> have the senate minority. >> leader standing up. there raising. >> his arm, saying. >> winning, winning, winning. >> we'll win. >> we'll win. >> we'll win. they will not. >> win until they know their enemy. how do you. >> fix that? >> well, i mean, you you got to make him less popular and you've got to pick your spots. i think there needs to be really some strategic maturity here as to what are you going to highlight? we're in a fractionalized media environment. you know, we've got social media platforms, you got the grammys, you got the super bowl. you got so much going on in this country from an entertainment perspective that these little snippets have to have to start feeding into a broader narrative. that's why i

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>> thing these. >> other four types. >> of. >> wealth contribute. >> to you. >> living that happy, fulfilling existence. >> that you want. >> those other four types are time. >> wealth. >> which is all about the freedom to choose how you spend your time, who you spend it with, where. >> you spend it, when. >> you trade it. >> for other things. it's about an awareness of. >> time as your most precious asset. the second type is social wealth. all about the people. >> the people that. >> you love. those close. >> few deep. >> relationships. >> and then. >> the extent. >> of the broader. >> network, something. bigger than yourself that goes beyond that. >> the third. >> type is mental wealth. >> this is. >> about purpose. it's about growth. it's about. >> the ability. >> to create space, to wrestle with some of those bigger, unanswerable questions in. >> your life. >> whether through spirituality, religion, meditation or solitude. and then the. >> fourth type. >> is physical. >> wealth about. >> your. >> health and. >> vitality. >> your ability to actually take the controllable actions on a daily basis to. >> fight against. >> the natural decay that your body goes through as you age. >> so as you sit down here and i wasn't asking you. >> about just your time on. >> the stanford baseball.

>> team, i asked you. >> what of these five is the hardest wealth to obtain? and you said time. tell us why. >> that is. and what are some. >> steps people can take to achieve it? >> we live. >> in a. >> busy. >> obsessed culture. we use the word busy as something of a status flex in society. today. when people ask you how you're doing, the first thing you say is, i'm good, busy. ask yourself, how. >> many. >> times have you done that in the last month? >> it starts. to become crazy. >> the reason. >> that happens. >> is. >> because we say yes to too many things. we're taking. >> on more and. >> more, we're running faster and faster, but. >> we're becoming. >> almost a rocking horse, rocking. >> back and. >> forth, moving. >> all the time, but never actually. >> getting anywhere. never making progress on the things that we care about. a lot of growth comes from leaning into the things that actually create energy in your life. the opportunities. >> that are creating energy. >> are the ones where you're going to create. >> the best. >> outcomes. >> and leaning away from the things that. >> are draining energy. >> in your. >> life on a daily basis. >> sahel. >> you talk a lot about. >> time spent with. >> family and how it. changes after the age of 20.

>> i really want to give this book to my kids. >> to make sure that they cherish every minute that they do spend with me. now they're over the age of 20, but when you when you are asking. >> young people to realize what is happening. >> to their own state. >> of being. >> as part of a. community and then of loneliness, that's a hard thing for. >> young people. >> to be aware of and to cherish in the way that you're recommending. i think. >> i do. >> agree with. >> that, and i. >> think we're. >> all aware now of this loneliness epidemic that we're facing as a society. the impact of social media on the actual time that we're spending in person with the people that we love, is dramatic. and leaning into those things, recognizing that you are quite literally a time billionaire. >> you literally. >> have billions of seconds left in your life when you're a young person and leaning into the fact that time is truly your most precious asset, you start to. live differently. when you recognize that. >> book is the five types. >> of wealth a transformative guide to design your dream life.

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>> correspondent for. >> politico and coauthor. >> of the playbook. >> our friend eugene daniels. >> eugene. also. >> though, the. >> president of the white. >> house correspondents association. and eugene, my friend, you've got some news to share with us this morning. >> i do. we have an entertainer, and i'm so excited to announce that. >> amber ruffin, the fabulous amber ruffin will be joining us on april 26th. and joining us. right here and joining. >> us here. that's right. >> i'm joining. >> everybody everywhere. >> just look to your left. >> i'm there. >> amber, congratulations. >> yay! >> thank you. >> we'll be. >> glad to see you there. it is certainly. >> a highlight of. >> the washington. >> social calendar there. >> that's a joke. >> in itself. yes. >> but this time. >> i mean. >> eugene, you. >> as you sat. >> down, you say you have. >> invited president trump and the first. lady to attend in his first term. he never did. >> he didn't. >> he didn't. >> he had four shots. four shots. he missed. >> them all. >> do you hope to see him there? >> no. >> for us at the association. it is. it is an important. >> part of the process that we

invite the. >> president. >> the first lady and the press secretary to kind of join us. >> up there on the dais. >> and we look forward to an answer. i know that they they've received the invitation, and i think a lot of people. are looking forward. >> to it. >> i honestly, this is a president trump, as a reporter that i know is feeling quite emboldened. d.c. feels a little different, i think, than it did his first go around. so we will we will see. >> so, amber, what made you say yes? >> i said yes. >> because it's. >> one of the coolest gigs. >> a comedian can get. like, it is a great opportunity to. >> shine a light on. >> the blah blah, blah. >> and. >> to make sure that we. >> all are on. >> the same baba bu. >> but it's. >> also so fun. >> like it is. >> the challenge. >> of. >> writing this show. >> is extremely hard. >> like, i got. >> the call and. >> i was. >> like great! and then. >> panic. wrote a lot. >> of pages. >> but then with this presidency, you could write i could write. >> something this morning that.

>> would. >> be nothing. >> by tonight. so it's really going to come down to. >> the wire. >> and the reason i chose amber is because of that. because she gets it right. like you wanted someone who understands. >> that it is. >> about the freedom of the press. it's about the scholarship. >> recipients and the awardees. >> but it's also about. poking fun at everybody in the room, including us. >> the media. >> yeah, like it's. >> going to be like. journalists. >> don't get celebrated enough. >> and you feel me? >> you feel me. >> but. and now. >> they're about to become. >> so extremely important. and i just want to make sure that they know that we appreciate them and honestly give them a pat on the back as they very well might go out the door. >> yes. well, there. there is that. >> so it's a big spot. and it's sort of a tough. >> room. >> at times. but let's. >> take a look at. >> some of. >> the dinners. previous headliners. >> i have to. >> admit, it's not easy following president biden. i mean, it's not always easy following what he's saying, like. but before i begin

tonight, can we just acknowledge how refreshing it is to see a president of the. united states. >> at an event that. doesn't begin. >> with a bailiff saying. >> all rise. >> this has. >> been one of the strangest. >> events i have ever. >> done in my life. i'll be honest with you. >> like. >> i feel like i'm a tribute in the hunger games. like. if this. >> goes poorly. >> steve. >> bannon gets to. >> eat me. >> since i'm only. >> a. >> comedian, i'm not going to try. >> to tell you. >> politicians how to. >> do politics. >> or whatever. >> that's not my job. >> that'd be like. >> you guys telling me what to do with my body. i mean, can. >> you even imagine? >> and then. >> of course, there's. >> donald trump. >> donald trump has been. >> saying that he will run for president. >> as a republican. >> which is surprising since i. just assumed he. >> was running. >> as a joke.

>> and that last joke. >> there by seth meyers? well, some. >> suggest partially. >> responsible for donald trump running for president. so amber. >> stakes are high. >> yeah. >> i. >> i mean, what is what's your process going to be. >> my process is going to be to write. >> out. >> i mean. >> the same process. >> that i used to. >> use for the amber ruffin. >> show is. >> i. write out exactly how i. >> feel, and then. all the most depressing. >> stuff gets thrown out. >> okay. >> but some. >> of that harder stuff. >> stays in there, especially. >> when i. know we have it in common. then i try to write jokes around those feelings and i. but i. >> feel like this is. >> a special case where i feel like we all need a little bit of hand-holding, and we all need a little bit of encouragement, a little bit of attaboy, a little bit of. go get em. >> and then. >> just some. >> light to heavy roasting. >> yeah. >> light to heavy roasting. >> well, we're. >> looking forward to it. this year's. >> white house correspondents association dinner will be held on saturday, april 26th. eugene daniels and amber ruffin, thank you both. >> congrats to you both. >> yay!

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reportedly been updating the time stamps on old press releases in order to game google search results to create the appearance of a wave of mass deportations. the guardian reports that four day operation in colorado. it happened in 2010. the 123 people targeted in new orleans. that was february of last year. wisconsin, september 2018. there are thousands of examples of this throughout all 50 states. icu press releases that have reached the first page of google search results, making it seem like enforcement actions just happened when in actuality they occurred months or years ago. all of the archived ice press releases soaring to the top of google search results were marked with the same time stamp and read updated january 24th, 2025 ice did not respond to the

paper's request for comment. however, the guardian notes that since reaching out, some of the press releases have reverted back to their original dates on google search. according to the department of homeland security, in the first two weeks of president trump's second term, nearly 5700 illegal immigrants had been deported. newsweek reports that if the administration continues deportations at that pace, they would be on track to deport half the number removed during biden's last full fiscal year in 2024. this validating everything that you have been saying, joe, to me. >> well, yeah, i mean, i've been saying it just. >> because. >> first of. >> all, the number of people deported by barack obama exceptionally high. he was attacked as a deporter in chief. but as rahm emanuel says, it was actually it certainly did not hurt him in the polls at all. but, jonathan lemire, we also

find ourselves at a far different time right now where and we've talked about this before. first of all, deporting illegal immigrants, extraordinarily expensive. it's an expensive process. so you've got the expenses of it with a $36 trillion debt, with big spending plans ahead, big tax cuts ahead. so you've got that problem and the pressure that's going to eventually come from bonds traders, because our debt and our deficits are going to be too high. number two it's inflationary. you talk to donald trump supporters on wall street. you talk to, you know, factories across wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, wherever you go, you talk to small businesses. you talk to family owned restaurants. they will tell you that that mass deportation will make things far more

inflationary, make the cost of everything go up because the cost of workers will go up. i'm not saying this is good. i'm not saying this is bad. what i'm doing is explaining to, to our viewers why it's not as easy to wave a magic wand and do this. that's that's the second part of it. and the third part is again, it's just the numbers are are like barack obama's numbers are going to be extraordinarily difficult for anybody to reach for all of these, for all of these reasons. inflation, because your business community doesn't want him doing mass deportations. and again, because it's so expensive to carry out the process in 2025. >> yeah. >> and let's also remind viewers, of course, that those border crossings. >> were. >> already plummeting. >> in the. >> last year of president biden's term. yes, they had certainly gone up. and the. >> white house. in retrospect. >> the biden white house

recognized that that was a mistake on a couple of levels, including politically. but they really did bring come. down in those last few months. and, of course, there was also the bipartisan immigration bill that there was republican support until there wasn't, because donald trump wanted to preserve it as a campaign issue. but you're right. and if this is what trump is doing, the numbers here, first of all, would be so massive and it would be so expensive and logistically difficult. we're also seeing some local jurisdictions really try to push back, saying. >> they won't. >> cooperate with all of this. we are seeing the there would be the trickle down effect for the economy. business leaders are already warning the white house for now. privately, later, those warnings may go public, suggesting that this could really impact the nation's economy. elise. but this is a signature campaign promise. >> this is the. >> number. one thing. >> donald. trump said he was going to do. to this point. it's mostly been limited to pretty showy raids, but if it ends up getting bigger, the numbers do grow. >> and those. >> who. >> are deported are not just

those here illegally who also have committed violent offenses, but rather large numbers of just people. whose only crime is that they did cross the border illegally. we're entering a new area there. >> where there could be a lot. >> of pushback. >> well. >> no, i mean, if you if. >> he starts. deporting hardworking. >> men and. >> women, who separating. >> them from. >> their american. >> born children. >> if you. see this, really have an effect on the economy that starts to upset. >> the business community. >> yes. he's going. >> to get. >> significant pushback. >> i think we're a ways from. >> that, though. >> i think right now. >> he's. >> having the shock and all version. >> showy displays of. >> trying to look. >> like he's doing something. >> and that. >> could be. >> enough to placate. >> his base. >> you know. >> to joe's point. >> and it's a critical point. if he put 100 illegals on a c-5a and fly them from wherever in this country. >> to. >> venezuela, that tab is going to be at a minimum, 5 to. >> $7 million. >> what do you think, joe? well, you know exactly. and again, that's the real challenge for the administration. it's

important, john heilemann, to remember, though, this this was what donald trump ran on. it also is an extremely popular position and has been for not only a large swath of republicans, but a lot of democrats as well, a lot of independents who saw those images of the first two, two and a half years of the biden administration and were horrified by what they were seeing, just absolute chaos at the southern border. and for people that are going, oh, well, wait a second. now, this is just this is just right wing propaganda. no, no. look, over the last two elections, what has happened with, with with voters, these border districts that have gone from almost being straight blue to overwhelmingly red. and that shows you that people even on the border, hispanics on the border have said enough is enough. so you do have that political pull for him to look

like he is doing something on this and a significant way, because he talked about mass deportations, but at the same time, it's a very heavy lift. it's a very heavy lift. and if you do it at the scale that trump has talked about in his most florid moments, it would be would create all kinds of potentially politically devastating images that would prompt the kind of backlash that we saw during the family separation crisis in the first term. i in the period after the election, i kept hearing from people who are misinformation and disinformation specialists who would say, pay attention to what is going to happen here, not trying to diminish the potential humanitarian harms that could happen in a in a big wave of deportation. but look out for the ways in which this administration will try to game social media and other media platforms to make it look like they are doing more than they

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workers from more than 10,000 to just 292, sources familiar with the plans tell nbc news. the small remaining staff includes employees who specialize in health and human assistance, humanitarian assistance. however, reports say most of the contractors have already been fired or furloughed. under the plan, just 12 people would be dedicated to serve the continent of africa and eight people for all of asia. the 600 employees dedicated to europe will be cut to just ten. the agency distributes billions of dollars worldwide to help alleviate poverty, treat disease and respond to famine and natural disasters. trump has said. usaid is run by lunatic radicals, while billionaire elon musk, who trump appointed as his efficiency expert, has called it a criminal organization that needs to die. joining us now,

former usaid administrator under president george w bush from 2001 to 2006, andrew natsios. thank you, sir, for coming on the show this morning. where to begin the impact, i guess, on calling usaid a criminal organization and also taking these numbers down to 12, ten, 16 from several thousand. what's the initial impact? >> well, i don't think people realize where the money goes. >> the money goes to. dozens and. >> dozens of. >> evangelical, roman catholic, international orthodox christia. >> charities, the ngo of my church, the orthodox church gets. >> millions of dollars. >> of aid funding. >> so world. >> relief is the. ngo of the. >> national association of evangelicals. >> they got $123. >> million a few years ago. >> from from aid.

>> to do work. in the congo. >> in haiti, in refugees. >> and displaced. >> camps, i might add. these are highly skilled. >> technical people. >> in these. >> ngos, christian ngos, roman catholic. and evangelical ngos. and all. >> of that is being shut down. the camps are being collapsed in many areas. >> and people. >> who've had their houses burned down, their children raped, who are traumatized, were getting food aid from us. >> the whole. operation is. >> going to be shut down. >> now. marco rubio. who i've always had great respect. >> for, is being blamed for this. >> this is being. orchestrated by musk. >> not not marco rubio and by the director. of omb. >> they don't. >> care what happens to the people of. >> the world. >> because they don't vote. >> in the united states. they don't. care that. hundreds of millions of people. are going to have going to be. >> at the edge of starvation if these programs aren't. restored immediately. now, let me let me say the notion.

>> that you're. >> going to spend. >> $38 billion with. >> 292 people. >> is ridiculous. i am. >> one a conservative republican. i served in the massachusetts house for 12 years as a republican. i am a lieutenant colonel in the serves, i am retired, i served in the first gulf war. i am not a liberal. i am not on the left. many, many church based organizations get large amounts of money from aid to do humanitarian work. there will be no one to process the grants. there will be no one to ship the food aid because all those people have been fired than laid off. i'm a professor at the bush school at texas a and m, and before that i taught at georgetown university, a roman catholic university, and i trained students, many of them roman catholic and evangelical, in texas, to work at aid. all of them have been laid off. all of them. they were not lunatics. they were not communists. and

it's outrageous for the president to make those claims because it's complete nonsense. well, you know, gene robinson, we talked about this yesterday and had people on the show talking about the fact that, you know, elon musk is saying they're marxist, they're evil, they're this they're that. it's just lies. you know, this is there are there i'm sure there's some programs that may be run. there may be the idea of people who are center left, the programs that have caught most attention right now have been programs that have been inspired by religious faith. >> and i speak. >> primarily of what george w bush did with pepfar. we talked about it yesterday. nick kristof said. and again, this is an area nick is obsessed with, that pepfar in saving 25 million lives, inspired. by george w

bush's faith in jesus christ, save 25 million lives in the continent of africa because of his faith. that is not some left wing operation. and evangelicals who and conservative catholics and actually liberal catholics and other church based organizations, as we're talking about right now, they have. >> a. >> really big footprint inside of u.s. aid, in part because that's what jesus tells them to do in matthew 25. so the fact that you've got a president supported by evangelicals, you've got elon musk who's not elected or anything but going around calling people that are working on these christian inspired or operations like

pepfar, evil marxists. it's just preposterous. it's not even worth being angry about. it's just a lie and it's preposterous. and it is undermining the work they're doing based on their faith in jesus christ, not karl marx. yeah, joe. >> and i think we have to. there's so much to be angry about. but but this is something we need to be angry about because, look, just take pepfar. pepfar is one of the best things the united states has ever done, really. and i am, and everybody knows i am no great fan of president george w bush's record, except for this. this was an extraordinary an extraordinary program that has saved tens of millions of lives. and the idea that you would you would demonize this and, you

know, i it looks to me as if, as if musk has chosen aid as kind of a demonstration project, just to see how he can destroy an agency and demoralize the rest of the federal workforce. my question for andrew is let's assume that that that you are right, that marco rubio just inherently is not insane, that he understands the good that that aid was doing and that within the state department, he wants to recreate some of this, maybe quietly, but but he knows that we need to have it. but how long will would it take? how difficult would it be even if he wanted to sort of put it back together, now that it's been utterly smashed? isn't that a long term project? >> it is. you destroy an institution, you don't rebuild it overnight. and i might add,

the state department is not. i mean, i have great respect for the state department. they're the best diplomats in the world. i was a diplomat for a while as president bush's envoy to sudan. but they are not operational. they cannot deploy disaster assistance response teams, which aid sends all over the world. they are they hire generalists in the foreign service, aid hires specialists. you have to have an advanced degree to work in the foreign service and aid. you can't get hired, which means phds, medical doctors, agricultural economists, agricultural scientists. we have the logisticians. how do you think food aid gets moved? it doesn't just appear it magically. you have to have people. experts in logistics, 294 people to spend to spend $38 billion. what are they, idiots? >> up next, the single most important battle democrats must wage. the washington post eugene wage. the washington post eugene robinson joins us ahead

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>> has the right to. decide how the federal government spends the people's money. this is the most important battle that democrats must wage. republicans ought to join them in the fight, but they're too frightened of. >> trump to make a peep. >> so if. >> that's. >> the case. >> what can democrats do? >> well, we still have congress, you know, and, you know, and there are there are it is under republican control. but it boggles the mind why republicans aren't up in arms over this. because if congress doesn't have the power of the purse, then congress is useless, right? i mean, you know, you show me your priorities and your policies. you know, i won't believe you until i look at your budget, because that's that's how we make decisions as to what we're going to spend money on. and that specifically is reserved for congress. and donald trump is i mean, he's making just a very frank effort to take that away. he always pushes to see

how far he can get, and he might get there this time. i mean, you know, i'm not going to fund this. i'm canceling all grants. i'm going to, you know, do away with aid and somebody try to stop me. well, somebody had better. >> although they aren't at the moment. my impression from democrats. >> gene. >> is that they are putting what resources they can into the midterm elections. so they've already. >> the house majority. >> pac has already designated. quite early on 50 million or something to advertise. >> in 10 or 12. >> congressional districts where. republicans might be vulnerable. so they are they are actually. >> organizing in some. >> ways, but they seem to have made a strategic decision that trying to defend anything to do with washington, the institutions, the federal employees, the aid budget is actually a losing wicket for them. >> yeah. and, and maybe that's i kind of agree in, in that that's probably not the way they should look at it as we're defending

washington, it's not very popular or even defending democracy. >> i mean, it didn't. >> work for. >> them last time. and there is a school of thought that says, great, you republicans, you got the house, you got the senate, you got the white house, and you got a friendly supreme court. let's see how you do. right. and that in a couple of years, everyone will have soured on this sort of republican rule. and democrats will have an opening. and that may be true. but in the meantime, right. you know, we talk about norms, and norms are not popular, but this is more than a norm. this is the way the constitution works. and to cede to presidents basically the ability to, to just like cancel spending and order spending and essentially run our budget in addition to faithfully executing the laws. that's something that we as a nation will regret. republicans will

certainly regret it the next time a democrats president. coming up, hollywood actor and director ben stiller is hitting back after elon musk amplified false claims that stiller took a humanitarian trip to ukraine, funded by usaid. we'll fact check musk's apparent lie when check musk's apparent lie when morning joe weekend —hi! —hi! ♪♪ chocolate fundraiser. ♪♪ with the chase mobile app, things move a little more smoothly. ♪♪ deposit checks easily and send money quickly. [coins clinking] ♪♪ that's convenience from chase. make more of what's yours. i'm getting vaccinated... ...with pfizer's pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia.

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>> actor and. director ben stiller shutting down a false claim on social media, amplified by elon musk. the initial post claims that stiller and other celebrities were paid millions of dollars by usaid to make. trips to ukraine. after the russian invasion there. musk posted a video which has. racked up millions of views. stiller slamming. >> the. >> accusation, calling. >> it totally. >> false and adding. >> these are. >> lies coming from russian media. >> i completely. >> self-funded my humanitarian. >> trip. >> to ukraine. there was no funding from usaid and certainly no personal payments. >> the manipulated clip appeared to be a report. >> from e! news. but e! news told. afp news. agency it is. >> quote. >> not authentic and did not originate from e! news. so a deepfake there. >> ben stiller, of course, has done. >> great work in ukraine and around the world over many, many. >> years. >> always paying for it himself. joining us now, imran ahmed. >> he is the ceo. >> of the center for countering digital hate. >> which last year was sued. >> by elon.

>> musk for. publishing research. >> about the spike in hate speech on the. x platform after. >> musk purchased it. >> a federal judge dismissed that lawsuit. he also just won the. elevate prize foundation's annual award, which aims to amplify. >> the work. of activists. >> and nonprofit leaders. imran, thanks for being with us this morning. i want to get into the details of your case and why you think that's important for other people as we. >> move forward. >> with elon musk's role so elevated now. >> in the power of x to amplify lies. >> what do. >> you make of. >> what we're seeing right now. >> just in these last. >> two and a. >> half weeks. >> since the second. trump administration came into office. >> from elon musk? >> well, look. >> mr. musk clearly has he's bought his way. >> into the highest echelons of us politics, and it's. >> his. >> right to do so. it's also his right to. to take. to scrutinize the federal government and its spending. i mean, it's an enormous amount of money that's spent every year. >> and it. >> should every. >> every dime should be checked

because that's taxpayers money. but at the same. >> time. >> accountability works both ways. and i think what you saw with mr. musk when he sued us, he didn't sue us because. >> we were. >> our data was wrong. he didn't sue us for defamation. he sued us for the act of doing research. he sued us for the act of accountability. he sued us because he refuses to be transparent with telling us, how do your algorithms work? how do you make content enforcement decisions? how does the advertising work on your platform? are the app that's appearing next to hate? and when we did that, when we shone a sort of a light on what he was actually doing, held up a mirror to his own platform. unlike me, when i don't like what i see in the mirror, i sort of have a shave, maybe have a haircut. he sued the mirror. so imran is, you know, this struck me as a kind of hypocrisy at the moment because you've got this group of young people going around the government trying to go through, as you say, we don't know whether. >> they are just. >> reading the code or potentially. rewriting the code in some cases. >> but elon. >> musk is fiercely protective

of their secrecy. they've all wiped their social media posts, and when they were named in one publication, elon musk went on twitter. >> and said. >> that's a crime. so it transparency and using his army to attack people like you is fine in one direction, but not the other direction. >> well. >> i guess that's how it works, right? when you're the general and you've got the army, you do what you want with it. >> you know, the. >> average person may call that an act of breathtaking hypocrisy, which at the same time is saying that he wants to hold the government accountable for its spending. good. it should be held accountable for its spending. and saying that he wants to deploy resources to do that, publicly funded resources to do that. taxpayers are paying for those people and giving them access to the most privileged spaces in the united states, you know, to the treasury department, to all these access to data about all of us. he's saying, you can't even know who they are. that's bananas. that's like something from russia where people with balaclavas are walking into the treasury and

saying, give us access to all of your data. you can't know who we are. and of course, that's the miracle of the us system. there is no locus. there's no point of power in the us system that doesn't have checks and balances on it. that's the great experiment of america. can we have a system in which power is so sort of spread across so many spaces in which they're all checking each other? transparency without transparency and accountability, democracy dies. and i think that the problem that mr. musk has is that both when it comes to his platform and being held accountable when it comes to his actions in government, now saying you can't even know the names of the people who are deciding whether or not you're able to access medicare, whether or not you're going to get, you know, a program that might be essential for your life. he's saying that you can't be told who those people are. and that, to me, would be breathtakingly hypocritical. and that's why it's ever more important for a strong civil society, a strong for journalists to have the power to ask tough questions and get access to information about

who's doing what, when, where, to whom. >> i think what we. >> were talking about during the. >> commercial is. >> just the echo chamber that. >> musk has control. over now on. >> x, it's. >> a place where you can see. mis and disinformation spread instantly, but it's. also a. platform that, especially in. >> this town. >> for policymakers, lawmakers, folks who are in the white house. >> it really. >> is a dominant structure. >> but i think it's important for us to put into context how. >> big or rather small. >> x actually is. >> and yet. >> the influence that it's able. >> to wield and why? >> well. >> it holds its influence. it's a tiny platform compared to facebook. it's 1/20 the size. it's tiny compared to tiktok or to instagram. its power comes in. who uses it? >> up next? in an age where misinformation seemingly goes unchecked, one of our next guests is trying to dismantle dozens of myths about how the american political system actually works. that timely conversation is straight ahead

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still find grace in this moment? >> as we see. >> huge changes. >> to our federal government with this new trump administration, it's perhaps more important than ever that americans understand the fundamentals of how their. government works here to help us understand that. joining us is george washington university professor and. >> former congressional. >> staffer casey burgett. he's the author of a new book titled we hold these truths how to spot the myths that are holding america back, in which case he works to debunk. some prevalent misconceptions about what happens in washington. thanks for joining us. congrats on the book published yesterday. >> thank you, thank you. >> you talk about. >> a lot of myths. >> it's almost like a myth busters for government. huge fan of the show. so apply the myth that you think is most. >> applicable right. >> now to what we've talked about all morning. >> yeah, that has. >> to be the myth about presidential. >> power, right? >> that that the. >> president's just if they say they want to do this, if we want to change x shutter this

government. >> agency. >> a lot of voters say, all right, cool, i like that. go do that. and then of. >> course, presidents. who promised. >> this want to. come through. >> on their promises, go. >> in on day one with a stack of executive orders up to their eyeballs, and. they follow through on this, so long as congress lets them right, they're not supposed to legislate from the oval office. we heard earlier, literally, the constitution read out loud that all legislative powers are granted with a congress. that's how it's supposed to work. if a congress stands up and does this. so one of the myths about the constitution itself is that it just applies itself in all scenarios, that it will ring a buzzer if something goes wrong. and this isn't how it's supposed to do it. it doesn't. yeah, that thing lays there unless people, political actors, voters, courts, all. >> of the. >> players uphold their roles in it. and if it if they don't, then we get what's going on right now, which is like, can he really do that? and then we have to talk about it. >> which is a question that. >> we ask all. >> the time. >> and it strikes me, as. >> i'm hearing you. >> talk about it, you write these chapters in tandem with. other coauthors who know

washington, whether. it's the white house, capitol hill or others. the two. chapters that it strikes me you're. >> talking about are. >> one that's called the founders in their infinite wisdom, written with our friend of the show, historian lindsay chervinsky. and then the. >> other is members. >> of congress don't do anything with former. congressman derek kilmer. >> kilmer. >> talk about take your. >> pick. >> the constitution's role in what we're seeing right now. it's a living. >> document, but not with. >> a built in buzzer. >> exactly. >> and then also congress, which right now actually does seem. >> inclined not. >> to do anything. >> yeah. the constitution obviously is one that we're checking. i mean, we hear we heard senator chris murphy talk about the constitutional crisis, where we're literally seeing power grabs from the presidency. which is not unique to this president, though he will go farther. he's proven it over and over, right, that he'll grab the power so long as someone else, notably congress and the courts, don't check him. we were taught, since we're seven years old, we live in a system of checks and balances. are the checks there? are they being carried out or are they just being used right now in a, in a in an instance where for political expediency. right. you go do president. what

we can't do here in congress or. >> we. >> don't even. >> necessarily want to put our names attached to with a vote that's a different system of government. and i mean, it works so long as you want it to happen, right? so long as your political ends are being met. but make no mistake, you're signing up for another president doing that more and even farther against what you're open for. so the saying of like, if he'll cheat on you, if he cheats with you, he'll cheat on you. that's what you're signing up for. to win. the next president comes in is going to do the exact opposite of what you want. so the myth that the constitution is perfect, written in 1789 for a system that didn't have street lamps, let alone amazon or bitcoin, like we got to update that constitution. and the irony is, is that the founders knew it. they told us that that they were not deciding this for be forever and ever, and that it is up to each generation to update that document to fit the system of the time. and boy, do we need one now. >> well, casey, i'm curious with

all the research you've been doing and working on this book and then looking at the present state of our politics and exactly what is happening now, all the different moving parts, do you expect the republican congress to be anything but complicit? and if not, what are we? >> yeah, this is. >> where we. >> need to get some answers here. right. so it's one thing to have a democratic minority senator on saying, yes, we need to do everything, use every tool in the toolbox. >> but as we know, within congress and especially on the house side, unless the president's own party right now, given that they have majorities in the house and the senate, unless they start checking him and it doesn't have to be public, i think there's even a little misconception. back in 2016, president trump then didn't get all that he wanted because he had members of his own party checking him often behind the scenes, right? not advancing him, diluting his bills, maybe appealing to a less strong version of what trump wanted. and right now, what is different about this term? a couple things is that these

these members of congress, including on the senate side, were elected on the trump agenda instead of in spite of the trump agenda. and when you have that, they're going to twist themselves in knots to try to defend what he's doing, even though they know better. and so you'll hear senators, and i hear it all the time from elected members of office saying, yeah, god, i wish he weren't doing this. i wish he weren't. they'll tell you this privately, yet they'll go in front of a camera and say, yeah, it may be a good idea, and then they'll work themselves backward to try to make it happen on his behalf. >> up next, we speak with the star of a new netflix dramedy about a palestinian immigrant living in america. morning joe weekend returns after a short break. >> my eyes. >> they're dry. >> uncomfortable, looking for extra hydration. now there's blink neutral tears. it works differently than drops. blink

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>> you don't have a job. and your life. i should slap you with this. >> knife in your face, bro. look. there's just this. >> that was a. look at season two of the netflix series titled venmo. the show follows a palestinian immigrant, mo najjar, living in houston as he traverses life in america as an undocumented immigrant with the dream of one day returning home. season two opens with mo stuck in mexico as he works to cross a southern border to get back to texas so he can make his scheduled asylum hearing. and joining us now, the co-creator, executive producer, writer and star of mo mo amer, he's also directed several of the episodes in season two, including the finale. mo, thank you so much for being with us this morning. so let's pick up our hero, if you will, in mexico. so remind viewers as to what led him there and where he hopes to go next.

>> well. >> he ends up getting. >> stuck in mexico, essentially deporting himself accidentally. but the whole idea was. >> is. >> you know, to. see what it takes to actually come back into america. i think. >> i think the. public or. americans really. >> feel like it's very easy to actually cross the. >> border and, and go. >> through. >> the immigration. >> process and get your citizenship when it's. >> actually a really grueling process. >> takes quite some time to go through the immigration system itself. and that was the idea behind that is essentially showing the planes and trains and automobiles. >> of. a refugee. >> right. what it takes, and also highlighting how. privileged our main character is, although he's a refugee in america, although he's an asylee in the system, in. >> the in the. >> grand scheme. >> of. >> things. he's still. >> very privileged. >> in. >> in his status. >> so tell us about how you pulled from such hot topics like hot button issues with both immigration. but of course, everything that's been happening in gaza. how did you mix in some very serious subjects into a show that at times could be pretty comedic?

>> no, of course it is. it is a. >> comedy, but. >> you might be fooled if you watch the show a little bit, but it comes with the with my background, you know, it's my life, it's my experience. so definitely pulled from. that and made sure. >> to keep. >> the show grounded. and that's how what was my entire approach throughout, you know, writing season two. >> you were born in kuwait. you have your life keeps hitting into history. >> and certainly. >> american politics. >> talk to us about this. >> a very different time than it was in 2022. very different america. but a lot. >> of the topics. >> you talk about on this show. really do need a human perspective. so talk to us about that. >> right. >> so again. >> you. >> mentioned timing as well. like and everything. like for me i've. >> always been palestinian. >> it's not you know i'm a palestinian american. i've known. these things. >> to. >> be an issue for quite some time. and now it's all completely bubbled to the surface and everyone is talking about it. so quite frankly, like the narrative of the show didn't really change much,

unfortunately. i wish we were talking about something else. >> and that's. >> the point of the show is, is. >> giving you. >> this kind of hope and. >> this idea of hope and. >> and what. >> we can actually accomplish by understanding. more of each other. >> to really drive. >> this conversation forward instead of just having you said she said, you said, you know, conversations. >> yeah. >> so let's take a look at a clip from the show where your character discusses recently being detained by ice. >> yeah. >> come to america. >> they said. >> it's going to be great. >> they said. >> live the dream. >> they said. >> hey. >> what's up? what's up bro? what's up bro? what's up? bro man. >> they really got you. >> bro bro. >> they could have gave you a heart attack. >> instead they give you this thing that vibrates. >> when your table is ready at chili's. >> yeah. >> thank you. i know i gotta be really thoughtful about. >> hiding it. >> or you. >> could just lean. >> into it, you. >> know, own it, or they get

that whole bedazzled. >> or something. oh, that's a good idea. >> bedazzle. >> yeah. get a little gemstones, a little hot glue gun. what am i in fifth grade? oh. shut up. >> how the hell. >> did they slap. >> it on anyway? >> oh, man. >> the judge deported me, and i was. >> like, what did you do? >> and i just flipped the table. >> five ice agents grabbed me and. >> dragged me in. finally. >> they pinned. >> me down and. >> put on his ankle bracelet. >> you cried? didn't you like it, baby? >> i cried like a damn baby. >> laughs here on set as we as we heard that. so tell us a little bit about the cast, but also the locations you filmed across a number of different countries. >> oh well, first we filmed in houston, texas, which. >> is, i. >> believe, like one of the most fantastic cities in america, the most diverse city in america. the neighborhood i grew up in is. nine languages spoken in it. and it's my love letter to houston as well. but we also filmed. >> the palestine elements. >> in malta, but also was a lot of the footage from my actual village in the west bank. >> in berlin. >> so it's in mexico city. >> of course. >> we had we had to. >> go to mexico city.

>> yeah, to. film the. >> first. >> you know. >> the whole opening. >> of the season and. yeah. >> all right. well, season two of mo streaming right now on netflix. check it out. also, mo's new nationwide comedy tour, el oso palestino, begins later this month. co-creator, executive producer, director and star mo amer. thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. i would. >> like to be addressed as the. palestinian bear. from now. >> on, we will. >> add that to the notes. >> for your. >> next appearance. >> that's it for us this weekend. we're back tomorrow morning, 6 a.m. eastern. bright and early as we enter the fourth week of trump's second term. until then, thanks for watching. >> good morning. it is sunday, february 9th. i'm alicia menendez with symone sanders townsend and michael steele. new overnight donald trump says he's revoking the security clearances of even more political opponents. attorney norm eisen isn