think that in general, young men find that as attractive as a more risk on kind of say whatever you want attitude. >> so in case you still need it, scan the qr code on your screen. you can listen to the trailer now and then when you wake up in the morning, these two episodes will be in your feed. the first, again, are with governor wes moore and jack schlossberg. they drop tomorrow morning. that does it for me today. we're going to be right back here at 8 p.m. tomorrow night, eastern time. but stay right where you are because there's much more news coming up on msnbc. >> very good day to all of you from msnbc world. >> headquarters here. >> in new york. welcome, everyone. >> to alex. >> witt reports. >> we begin on day 21 of the second donald trump presidency with a new interview. trump told

the new york post on board air force one friday that he has spoken with russian president vladimir putin, but declined to disclose when or how many conversations they have had. >> when did that phone call take place? >> was it after. >> the president was. >> elected. >> and what was his message to putin? >> well, i'm not going. >> to get. >> ahead of the president. and there are certainly a lot of sensitive conversations going on. >> the new york post also. reports trump is stripping several of his perceived rivals of their security clearances, among them former biden white house officials, prosecutors and former doj officials. and here's new reaction. >> revenge and retribution. are the commanding animus for donald trump right now. and so this vengeance. >> tour. >> this mass. >> political vendetta. suddenly has. >> become the. >> overriding agenda of the government. and the republican party is allowing his fantasies,

his mania and his pathologies to define public policy in the country. >> new bipartisan pushback on elon musk's sweeping moves across governmental agencies, with some elected officials calling on him to answer for his actions. >> if you actually. have a spotlight of. transparency that you think that there is waste or. >> fraud, then. >> come to congress. >> and expose it. don't do this in secrecy and you don't get to make the decisions. he needs to come before the committee. he should be subpoenaed. >> it's very. >> he's he's he's very disruptive. first off, let's be clear. usaid is not a criminal enterprise. and people who work for the government have an important job to do. and they need to be honored. he needs to, in a more professional way, to communicate with the american public and certainly communicate to the government enterprise a professional goal and objective. >> a new concern in congress over trump's unchecked power and what it could mean for american democracy. >> i think this is the most serious constitutional crisis the country has faced, certainly

since watergate. the president is attempting to seize control of power and for corrupt purposes. the president wants to be able to decide how and where money is spent so that he can. reward his political friends. he can punish his political enemies. that is the evisceration of democracy. you stand that next to the wholesale endorsement of political violence, with the pardons given to every single january 6th rioter, he is trying to crush his opposition by making them afraid of losing federal funding, by making them afraid of physical violence. >> and trump announced he will be interviewed on fox ahead of today's super bowl event. we're going to be monitoring that for you and confirmation votes expected this week for tulsi gabbard, trump's nominee for director of national intelligence, as well as robert f kennedy jr, trump's nominee for health and human services secretary. we've got reporters and analysts ready to go over all these new developments, and we're going to begin with nbc's

aaron gilchrist. he is with the president in west palm beach, florida. aaron, welcome to you on this sunday. so how is trump responding to the backlash that he is facing for allowing elon musk to have access to sensitive information? >> well, alex, i should. >> know first, the. >> president is going to be heading to the super bowl, leaving. >> here. >> in a couple of hours. >> the first sitting. >> president to. >> attend that game. his team, though, is preparing. to have to explain some of his recent orders in court this week. so let's talk about elon musk first and his doge team that you referenced there. a federal judge. >> just yesterday. >> temporarily blocked musk from accessing sensitive treasury department systems, including personal data of millions of americans, potentially social security numbers, financial information as well. and the judge issued that restraining order after 19 state attorneys general sued president trump and the treasury secretary, scott bessent, saying that they violated federal law by giving musk's team access to that data. now, lawyers on both sides will get into get to make arguments. in court on friday, the white

house called the lawsuits frivolous and said that the judge's judge's decision to this point amounts to judicial overreach. in an interview with fox news that aired this morning, the president was asked about musk. listen. >> bottom line, you say you. >> trust him. >> trust elon. oh, he's not gaining anything. in fact, i wonder how he can devote the time to it. he's so into it. but i told him do that. then i'm going to tell him very soon. like maybe in 24 hours to go check the department of education. he's going to find the same thing. then i'm going to go go to the military. let's check the military. we're going to find billions, hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud and abuse. and, you know, the people elected me on that. >> now, this is all part of the president's effort to rein in government spending to cut the federal workforce significantly. remember his buyout program for federal employees that was paused as well last week by a judge before the opt in deadline. that issue will go to

court tomorrow. at the same time, we know that some 65,000 federal workers have already taken that deal to resign and to still be paid through the end of september. the white house alex views the court's order as an extension. really, they say, allowing more time for workers to take that deferred resignation offer again. we'll see what happens after the court hearing tomorrow. alex. >> i guess we'll see. if more accept that and see what the court says as well. aaron, thank you so much. and we're going to have more now on those moves by donald trump stripping security clearances from two former biden administration officials, as well as two new york officials who pursued legal action against donald trump. joining me now, ryan riley, nbc news justice correspondent. ryan, welcome to you. so who did trump pull security clearances from and why? and also, what does it mean for the different people who have been cited by trump? >> yeah. >> basically anyone. >> he doesn't like, i think makes sort of the top of that list. and remember, he's now gone after individuals who worked on his jacks and the jack

smith case. those individuals have been fired. he went after january 6th. prosecutors fired all of them that they were easily able to the ones who were working on probationary status. now, our latest reporting is that the fbi has been asked for the names of any employees who are on probationary status. they're now in dc, in washington. that means that they're going to send a list of all of all the probationary people and also come up with justifications for them. but it's very clear that donald trump is sort of on this, on this warpath against the fbi and other institutions that tried to hold him accountable in the interim between his last presidency. and now, here's what one of the individuals who has been targeted in that list, norm eisen, had to say. >> we and the wonderful community of litigators that we work with scored two major court successes this week. we got the very first order locking elon musk out of treasury. and then we close the week by getting an order that the trump administration may not release

the names of 6000 fbi agents they're targeting. why are they collecting these names? we got the best of him this week. so he's sitting there stewing, and he came up, according to the post, with this plan. >> so those are those comments there, you know, reflect that. what there's been so much litigation. you know, i had one person at the fbi tell me this is the craziest it's been at the fbi since the january 6th attack itself. it's really been almost three weeks now, sort of chaos with those initial pardons and then with the targeting of the fbi employees themselves, who just because they worked on those january 6th cases and what so far we've seen is a little bit of unity between really the field and headquarters. you know, sometimes there's a little bit of tension between agents out in the field and headquarters. but now it seems as though, after all this targeting of anybody who worked on january 6th cases, that everyone sort of back on the same page. alex. >> give me a sense of what this does, what the effect is to the two new york officials, the new york state ag, tish james and

the d.a. alvin bragg of new york. what does this mean for them? >> you know, i think that's something that has to be looked into, how much that's going to impact their daily work. but certainly there are instances when the local officials work with federal officials. right. that's something that there has typically been cooperation between federal before between federal and state governments. and, you know, the question is whether that's going to really continue in the trump administration and whether there's going to be that unity, because there are going to be these legal lawsuits going back and forth. now that's, you know, that's something that happens in republican and democratic administrations where depending on the attorney general, sometimes you're working with the government, sometimes you're working sort of against the federal government and suing the federal government. you can still work together in those different capacities. but, you know, that's i think right now there is this question of the national security vulnerability to the united states. and that's something that i think the fbi is really feeling right now, as all these experts are being targeted by the trump administration. and you've got to wonder, you know, what what the possible outcomes of that

are going to be if they're targeting both state law enforcement officials and the federal government itself, with the fbi. >> 100%, we're wondering thank you, brian riley, for that. well, joining me right now, we have political strategist valencia johnson, along with republican strategist susan del percio and former republican congressman david jolly, both of whom are msnbc political analyst. welcome, you guys. valencia, you first here. i'm curious your reaction to president trump taking aim at these folks in this way. >> well, look. >> i'm not surprised because. >> when they. >> were investigating him and rightfully so. he continued. >> to go after them. >> and launch a smear, a very. >> racist smear campaign. >> against both. >> of them. the interesting thing, and. >> the. >> hypocrisy in all of this is that donald trump kept yelling that they were weaponizing. the government around him, towards him. they were, you know, using a witch hunt to actually bring these charges against him. and yet here he is actually weaponizing the government in

the ways that all of us are saying are extremely scary and that of a fascist state. and so i am concerned for their safety. but i am also concerned that so many of the republicans are actually okay with this. instead of pushing and challenging these actions. because if this was a democrat, my goodness, would there be hearings all over capitol hill? would they be marching and protesting outside of the white house? the hypocrisy is astounding, and it's actually pretty scary putting these public servants their lives in danger. >> and you, susan, i'm curious your take on all this. is it more than just retribution? i mean, this could stop these people from entering courthouses, prisons, any other secure federal facilities. well, and one other thing. it keeps our country less safe. let's not forget, these folks aren't on a national database looking up secure information. what this allows is, for example, if secretary of state, current secretary of state marco rubio is dealing with a complex

problem in the middle east, which is likely he may want to reach out to the former secretary of state, antony blinken, because he has the experience and the knowledge, and that way he could be read into it. that's what these a lot of these security clearances allow is for marco rubio to pick up the phone and know he could talk about classified matters, to gain intelligence, to gain insight. that's how we keep our country safe. when you look at alvin bragg, who i am no fan of, guess what? new york works with the federal government, especially in manhattan, on criminal matters. this allows the doj to ask alvin bragg for assistance, which they will need, especially in a city like new york. something else, david, that we're learning about. trump has talked to vladimir putin about the war in ukraine, but says he better not say how many times he's spoken to putin. what kind of alarm bells does that raise when it comes to

transparency? is it important to know when and how often the president is speaking with foreign leaders, especially adversaries? >> i think. >> generally you get. >> an acknowledgment. >> from the white house. when the call. >> occurs, whether or not there's a readout or not. obviously, there's some protection. >> of sensitive. >> information, but i think the entire western world, alex, is really concerned about what those conversations are like. we saw that when they kicked everybody out, i believe, at helsinki or wherever. he met privately with vladimir putin during the first administration. but i think the big question is if donald trump is suggesting he talks to putin about ending the war under what terms? because if he is talking to putin about ending the war, that gives concessions to russia. that is antithetical to everything that the western world has been working on since the invasion. and certainly the current policy of the united states. but we saw the erosion in the republican congress during the biden administration about its support for ukraine. we saw the sympathies even of tulsi gabbard articulating themes that are sympathetic to russia when it comes to the russia-ukraine war.

and so what are they talking about and what will donald trump suggest is the deal? i think we're all bracing for proposal by donald trump that actually sacrifices some of ukraine's sovereignty. and how does the western world respond to that? what do republicans on the hill do? i think we know what they will do, but this could be a major shift in how the u.s. protects its allies and freedom across the globe. >> lindsey, i want you to pick up on on this topic because i'm curious what it says to you. does it say that trump is particularly cagey when it comes to communications with putin, or is it more than that? and then, susan, you'll get the final word. >> well, i don't think he's actually being cagey to be aloof. i actually think he's being cagey so that he gets what he wants. and he likes to cozy up with these leaders. we continue to see that. and to david's point, the fact that we don't know what these conversations were about or how many times is very concerning, but the rules don't apply to donald trump. and he has told us that in so many ways. and

unfortunately, this does put so many people on alarm. and i agree. what are republicans going to do to stand up to one of our adversaries? and that's putting us in more danger? >> okay, last word, susan. it's a frightening thought to know that the president or maybe he wasn't even president yet, was having these conversations with no, no one else around him. and if you want to know why, look at the recent announcement about annexing gaza and moving 2 million people, you know, out of out of their homes and putting it, making it a tourist destination. god only knows what the president is saying when he doesn't have anyone around him, and we're not aware of it. all right, you three, you're going to stay with me. you have time for maybe a coffee break. we are going to talk about the more than 40 lawsuits that have been filed in efforts to stop president trump's actions in just a bit, so i'll see you then. meantime, what to make of president trump's conversation with vladimir putin, as we were just discussing, plus the impact of squashing america's soft

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on. >> we will. >> have our secretary of state, our secretary. >> of defense. >> our vice president, our special. envoy in europe this week. >> talking through. >> the. >> details of how. >> to end this war. >> and. >> that means getting both. >> sides to the table. >> so joining us now for more on this development is sabrina singh, former deputy press secretary for the pentagon. sabrina, good to see you again. so president trump says that he's got a plan to end the war in ukraine, but he's declined to share details. should all of these negotiations happen behind closed doors, which would be a break from trump's usual tactics, really? or would more transparency help them? >> well, look, i think transparency is always important and important for the process that's going to play out. what's concerning is the continued ongoing conversations with president putin. and as far as i know, i haven't even seen a readout of that call, just that the president did confirm that he spoke with vladimir putin. and i think what's what's extremely concerning here is that we're continuing to see

these conversations happen in a one sided silo with ukraine, not at the table. at the end of the day, this is about ukraine sovereign territory. it is up to ukraine to decide how they negotiate and what a negotiation and possible deal might look like. it is their sovereign territory that was invaded by russia nearly two years ago. so i think it's important to have transparency about the process. of course, there's going to be conversations that play out behind closed doors. but again, ukraine is not part of these conversations. and that's what's deeply concerning here. >> and look to that point exactly. trump has repeatedly said he would find a way to end the war. is there any indication from the trump administration that ukraine will have a say in this deal? as the biden administration emphasized? and does a peace deal require dividing up ukraine's rare minerals and natural gas? potentially. >> well, i think you saw donald trump come in and he said that he was going to end the war on day one. so that's clearly that

that that timeline has passed. look, i think it's important to emphasize that while the united states can have a role in brokering a peace deal for ukraine, it has to be up to ukraine to decide the fate of its country and its citizens. it is its sovereign territory that was invaded in 2022. so again, while it's important that the united states is part of these conversations and engaging on sides, it is ultimately up to ukraine to decide what their victory looks like and how they decide what deal goes forward for their own people. >> so in a powerful new york times op ed that's out today, former deputy national security advisor ben rhodes said that trump appears to be an aging strongman looking to cement his legacy, while the stripping of usaid may have other nations looking to china for steadier global leadership. how critical, sabrina, is the expression of soft power for american interests around the world is the kind of strength that trump

projects actually going to weaken the us and our national security? >> well, it's incredibly important to have soft power and be that that be part of our national security interests. i mean, foreign assistance is critical to u.s. national security. and this administration came in on the idea and the platform that they're going to put america first. well, when you're fighting diseases all around the world, like in uganda, where you have an ebola outbreak, you can either fight and inoculate against ebola in uganda or you can do it in new york city. and we saw what happened in 2014, and we don't want some of those diseases to come over to the united states. that's why we have partners like usaid working all around the world. and it's not just that. i mean, you're seeing countries like russia and the prc celebrate the fact that this administration is dismantling usaid because they're going to use this vacuum right now and go into countries and form these strategic

partnerships with these nations that we are leaving on the table. so while this administration came in on the idea of america first, you're actually weakening our our entire global standing on the world stage, and you're putting us last. >> let me get specific to gaza, because doctors say the funding freezes and the stop work orders, they're going to cost the lives of patients receiving life saving care. the plan to reduce usaid itself would reduce a workforce of thousands globally to just a few hundred. will these sacrifices trump wants to make come back to haunt him and do the actions specific to gaza serve his desire to control the real estate of gaza? >> it is. >> very unclear to me what the plan is for gaza. i am still struggling and trying to understand what this administration is indicating when it says that the united states is going to have a role in taking over the gaza strip, and what that looks like, but not committing u.s. forces. and

then again, you're talking about resources that are going to be expended to develop the gaza strip. meanwhile, americans here at home, gas prices are high. egg prices, as you know, and you've covered, are incredibly high right now. so again, i'm confused on what the actual plan is for gaza. i think, look, when you're dismantling an organization like usaid, usaid, something that has provided life saving care not just in gaza but in sudan, that is weakening our position on the world stage and frankly, not in america's interest to do so. so i'm still looking for more details on what's going to come out of this administration and its plan for gaza, when you don't even have arab partners and allies bought in on this so-called plan that was presented, you know, just a few days ago? >> yeah. and my question is, when trump says israel is going to give gaza to the united states, i'm like, what's behind all that? anyway? let's move to president trump. having revoked the security clearances of former president biden and

several more perceived enemies this week, including manhattan da alvin bragg. also new york attorney general letitia james. what's your reaction to that? and do continued threats from iran on high profile u.s. officials? does that warrant for, say, president biden keeping his access to the security briefings? >> look, presidents can request president's daily briefings. it's something that, you know, that they have that authority to do. i think the revoking of national security clearances, i mean, we're just this is just getting to pettiness and to folks that are still in those roles and in those jobs. i mean, you're you're weakening their capability to be aware of threats that are impacting the communities that they represent. i think what's important, again, is that taking away these security clearances, i don't understand how that's making our nation more safe, how that's lowering the price of gas, how that's lowering the lowering the price of eggs, how you're strengthening our economy. again, donald trump came in on

this idea and this platform that he's going to put america first, that he's going to somehow change our our image domestically and internationally. and right now we're seeing that slowly being shredded away. so i you know, it's deeply concerning that he's using his time as president to take away security clearances for those who some are not even in office anymore. i would personally like to see this president more focused on some of the domestic impacts and of course, the national security implications that his policies are degrading on the world stage. >> okay. sabrina singh, thank you much. we will see you again. one down. how many more to go? what to make of the winter storms hitting parts of this storms hitting parts of this country. you'll love this! centrum silver is clinically proven to support memory in older adults. so you can keep saying, you mastered it! you fixed it! you nailed it! you did it! with centrum silver,

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trying to break in? i don't think so. i think that's a no. you weren't trying to break in. who was that guy? the security person. was it some private contractor or something? why wouldn't they let you in? >> well. >> thanks for having me. and that is completely preposterous. >> as we all. >> know, we. >> have three branches. >> of government. >> we are duly elected members of the congress. >> which is a separate and. co-equal branch of government. >> so for the president to say that members of congress. try to break. >> into a federal building is just irresponsible. >> if you want to. >> check the books, if you want to go over what is happening at the department of education, we have a system for that. we have oversight responsibilities in congress. are the members of congress are the exact people to do that? so if the president and his administration truly wanted to look at what was happening at the department of education, we would be conducting oversight hearings right now. the man who met us at the door came out,

refused to give us his title, simply said that he was an employee of the department of education. but even more concerning than that, the department of homeland security met us at the door. they were inside the building. they never came outside, but they were ready to, i guess, stop members of congress from coming into the building. that is the agency tasked with domestic terrorism. to treat members of congress in this way shows that you are not a good faith actor, and you don't want to be a true legislating partner or solve the problem that you say exists. >> i mean, frankly, it created more of a scene by letting you guys just stay out there when it was just, okay, let's move on. because nbc news reports that 222 year old members of musc's department of government efficiency team have obtained administrator email accounts at the department of education, and the president says that doj is there to check the books. so is this a necessary investigation?

do you have any idea what their intentions are? >> i don't think anyone has any idea what their intentions are, but everyone should be concerned about this because data is powerful. the department of education collects statistical data on all of our children that are enrolled in school. 49 million children, civil rights information, the information that keeps our school building safe. i really don't understand. and i think people, the american public, truly needs to understand what it is that the department does, because many of the concerns that i've heard around curriculum and what is taught in schools is not handled by the department of education. the department of education has responsibility, like i said, for 49 million children, 7 million of those who receive who receive special education services for all of our civil rights protections for $1.6 trillion in student loan programs, i don't understand what they plan to do with this data, and the answers

to those questions would come out in congressional oversight hearings. so i hope that the courts step in to enforce that we are separate but co-equal branches of government. and a department that was created by the congress can only be dissolved by the congress. and speaker mike johnson should be saying that i don't understand how someone can run for speaker of the house and then concede all of their power to the executive branch. this is just a dangerous precedent to set, and moving forward could cause so many other problems. >> let me pick up on the data because there's concerning new data. this is from the nation's report card, which found most fourth and eighth grade students fell further behind in reading and saw no improvement in math among eighth graders in the years after the covid pandemic. do these numbers give trump legitimacy to go after the department of education? how can the education system be repaired? and to do that, might

it require dismantling the entire agency? that's what donald trump is suggesting. in fact, he wants to have his education secretary pick linda mcmahon put herself out of a job. >> well, yes. those numbers absolutely give the president the authority to go after the department, and i'm open to doing that because at least finally, we could address many of the things that we've talked about for so long. we have students who have learning loss as a result of a pandemic. most of those numbers, and the reason the numbers come down so much, are in red states where they fail to invest in education, but also in order for a child to learn, they have to show up on green ready to learn, which means their health care needs are met, their nutrition needs are met, they are full. they have full bellies. they're in safe communities. they're not worried about guns in schools. you know, their families have access to family medical leave so that they can stay home with them when they're sick. they had birth to three initiatives. so all of those things, those those things that get kids ready to

learn so that when they show up, that's all they're thinking about are part of the problem. you can't report out data and results without taking into account all of the variables that have happened. so i absolutely would want the president to look at those numbers and be concerned, but then start a conversation that begins with, okay, what do we do about this to make sure that our children have access to the highest quality education possible? >> last question regarding musk's doge team, which is now inserted itself into at least 17 federal agencies. that's according to the new york times. obviously, you are concerned about its influence. how do democratic lawmakers plan to fight back? >> well, i think a couple of things have to happen. first of all, we're going to rely on the courts to step in and say, you are this is illegal. you are violating the constitution. and at some point that has to matter. and once the courts do that and establish the fact that reestablish the fact that we are

separate but co-equal branches of government, congress has to step in and do oversight. let's have the hearings. let's bring in witnesses. let's look at what musk is doing and what he plans to do with this information. and then i think the third thing is really educating the public, amplifying what these cuts really mean. what are the implications of all these things? for me, when we talk about the department of education, it's less about elon musk or donald trump and the department of education, but it's about the services that will be cut to the millions of students who need them, the wraparound services, the social workers, the behavior therapists that are in school, the accommodations that are made for every student who has an iep so that they have at least a chance at an opportunity. this is going to affect the lowest income communities, the most. it is going to affect the future of our country, because we will not have an educated workforce to carry out our economy. and every person needs to understand how that will affect them and their

families. donald trump and elon musk are millionaires. they're wealthy individuals. their children don't rely on the public school system. this idea to rob the piggy bank of the department of education and put it into vouchers is a scam. there are about 1 million children who participate in private voucher programs, and 49 million who attend public schools. who's taking care of all of those other children? i think for parents, it is their responsibility to say, well, i only care about my child, but it's our responsibility to care about every child. >> we hear that. connecticut congresswoman johanna hayes, thank you so much. i look forward to seeing you again. meantime, why security is the name of the game in new orleans. name of the game in new orleans. that's [coughing] copd isn't pretty. from the struggle to breathe... to getting stopped in your tracks. bye, grandma. ♪♪ but with trelegy,

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taxpayers dollars. and this is the best way to do it. >> two views there of the world's richest man and his role as government efficiency agent. elon musk, who graces the cover of this week's time magazine, stationed there behind the oval office, resolute desk and back with me now lindsey johnson, who, by the way, author of the forthcoming book flip the tables the everyday disruptors guide to finding courage and making change, along with susan del percio and david jolly. hey, quickly, in just a few words from each of you, how do you think elon musk coverboy treatment was received in the white house? alicia. susan. david, in that order. >> listen, i think donald trump's flippant kind of answer is telling. he does not like when the attention and the spotlight is not on him. and so right now, i think he's trying to play it cool, but continuing for us to elevate him as president, musk, who he is, is only going to continue to get under his skin. and i hope that drives a wedge between the two of them and gets him out of our government. >> susan.

>> it definitely irks donald trump. but you know what? he does probably appreciate the fact that elon musk is getting all the heat for these actions instead of him. so i actually am concerned about the democrats constantly going after elon musk. instead of saying that president trump furloughed x amount of fbi agents and just putting it all around his neck. okay, david. >> all right, sir. it gets under his skin. i think it's very appropriate to be on the cover. i mean, elon musk is either a co-president or first spouse right now, given the power that he's wielding and the lack of accountability. so we should be focusing on him. >> okay, let's move, susan, to you with republican pushback to all of trump's actions, including ones that seem to violate the law. it has been nearly non-existent as some of these orders begin to affect people's lives. are they going to face pressure to change that? i don't know what they'll end up doing, but i know it's very dangerous. it started with lindsey graham, i think, in earnest when he said, well, technically it's illegal. when

the inspector generals were fired without the 30 day notice, which was against the law that the senate had recently passed in the past for years, years. that being said, every time trump gets away with something, the line gets further and further diluted. so i don't know what the republicans are going to do. they've yet to show a backbone. i don't think they will. yeah, as nick likes to say, moves the goalposts. so david musk's team recently gained access to medicare and medicaid contracts and payment systems where they claim they're, quote, looking for evidence of fraud. so if that is code for cuts are coming there too. are republicans in congress prepared for the backlash they will face? >> i don't think republicans in congress know what they're doing right now. i mean, they have a government funding cliff and a debt ceiling coming up in four weeks, and they don't even know how to solve that. i think, alex, we are in a constitutional crisis. i really believe that people are tepid in saying that. but i would say not just because of trump and musk, though, they

are facilitating it. the constitutional crisis is because the republican congress has collapsed. it has collapsed. it is listless. it is meaningless. it is not providing the check that the constitution suggests it should in this environment, for the lawlessness and corruption of trump and musk. the only two fixes are in the courts, which we're seeing. but it takes time. but the immediate ability to rush to the fire is the congress. and they've just laid down and said, hey, donald trump's running this place and elon musk is as well, and we're giving up any authority. we're in a constitutional crisis. the policy debates about education, foreign aid, waste, fraud and abuse, that's just the result of elections. but the constitutional crisis is because the lawlessness and corruption right now is going unchecked. >> so, valencia, last word to you. what can democrats do about it? >> listen, i think democrats are continuing to show the american people what is happening. i think it was smart for so many members of congress to go up to the department of education and literally put o