are facilitating it. the constitutional crisis is because the republican congress has collapsed. it has collapsed. it is listless. it is meaningless. it is not providing the check that the constitution suggests it should in this environment, for the lawlessness and corruption of trump and musk. the only two fixes are in the courts, which we're seeing. but it takes time. but the immediate ability to rush to the fire is the congress. and they've just laid down and said, hey, donald trump's running this place and elon musk is as well, and we're giving up any authority. we're in a constitutional crisis. the policy debates about education, foreign aid, waste, fraud and abuse, that's just the result of elections. but the constitutional crisis is because the lawlessness and corruption right now is going unchecked. >> so, valencia, last word to you. what can democrats do about it? >> listen, i think democrats are continuing to show the american people what is happening. i think it was smart for so many members of congress to go up to the department of education and literally put on camera on film

what is happening and continuing to show these cases as well, taking the legal challenges, because now we're in a place where j.d. vance is openly saying that the executive branch doesn't have to listen to judges. clearly, he doesn't understand what checks and balances means. and so democrats have to continue to push back and show the american people what is happening. and that also, to david's point, it's not just the president, it's not just elon musk. it is the republican members of congress who are also part of the scheme. >> okay. valencia, susan, david, good to see you all. thank you much. in our next hour, the chaos swirling around the fbi and the fears plaguing many agents. good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with a new strategy from democrats in congress to deny republicans the votes necessary to keep the government funded ahead of a key deadline next

month. it comes as part of new pushback against president donald trump's moves to bypass congress and dismantle agencies. here's new jersey senator andy kim today on nbc's meet the press. >> for us to be. >> able to support. >> government funding in that way. >> only for them to turn it around. >> to. >> dismantle the government, that is not something that should be allowed. >> so just to be. >> clear, senator. >> you are. >> open to voting yes, to shut. >> down. >> the government to make this point. >> this is on them. >> this is. about whether or. >> not they can get the votes. they are the majority. >> and one federal election commissioner is speaking out after she says she was illegally fired by trump and is now refusing to leave office. my position is that the president's letter was unlawful. but as you pointed out, my name is not on the well. i am on the website, but. i'm currently listed under former commissioner. >> i've been cut off. >> from the databases. >> i've been. >> cut. >> off from. >> the from. >> my computers, my email. so

it's a it's a little bit of a challenge to. >> do the. >> job under those circumstances. also new this hour. new reaction to department of government efficiency plans to gut the u.s. agency for international development. it comes from a former peace corps volunteer who is now a member of congress. >> i would just. >> ask trump. or musk. >> go to one of these. >> camps. >> go to one of the famine camps, one of the. >> refugee camps. >> and hold. >> a starving child in your hand. look at that extended belly. look at the eyes that are just vacant. >> we have developed usaid. has developed a. >> nutrient system that can. immediately revive that young child. it is a supplement. a it's. >> not available now. >> that child is going to die. so where's the humanity here? where is the humanity? >> let's start with nbc's yamiche alcindor, who is at the white house for us. yamiche, the new york post was reporting president trump and russian president vladimir putin have

spoken by phone. so what are we learning about that conversation? >> that's right. well, president trump told the new york post that he did speak to the russian president and that the russian president, vladimir putin, wants to see people stop dying. he also said that he himself wants to bring this war to an end, though there are a lot of questions on how he's going to do that. and of course, we should remind folks it was vladimir putin who invaded ukraine and who has essentially caused this war. so ukraine and a number of officials, they were very worried about what the next sort of phase of this was going to look like with president trump coming into office. so it's very i think there are a lot of questions of exactly what the trump administration is going to do to stop this war. the national security adviser, michael waltz, was on meet the press earlier this morning. here's what he said about all of this. >> well, i'm not going to get ahead of the president. and there are certainly a lot of sensitive conversations going on. we will have our secretary of state, our secretary of defense, our vice president, our special envoy in europe this

week, talking through the details of how to end this war. and that means getting both sides to the table. he is prepared to tax, to tariff, to sanction. we need to get all sides to the table and end this war. >> so as you just heard michael waltz saying that he didn't want to get in front of president trump, but that there is a number of mechanisms that the trump administration is looking at in order to bring this war between ukraine and russia to an end. and i think i have to underscore yet again, that this was president trump saying this about vladimir putin. he said he wants to see people stop dying. all those dead people, young, beautiful people, they're like kids, 2 million of them, and for no reason. so that was president trump talking about vladimir putin in particular, but a lot of questions about how this war is actually going to come to an end and whether or not ukraine is going to have to make some, some concessions, including possibly even maybe giving away some of its land, which of course, the ukrainian people and the president of ukraine have been very clear. they do not want to do. alex. >> okay. yamiche, please stay with us. joining our

conversation now, senior white house reporter with nbc news digital, peter nicholas. peter, welcome. peter, you wrote a piece on how democrats are struggling to keep up with president trump's pace. what did you learn about how they're trying to fight back? >> well, there are so many targets for democrats to swing at that they don't quite know how to handle it. i mean, trump is just pumping. >> out executive. >> orders, taking actions, making pronouncements. >> democrats are saying. >> that they're outraged by many of. >> them. >> but politically. >> they've really. >> not. >> been able. >> to do much to counter trump. democratic attorneys. >> general have had greater success. >> going to the courts. >> blocking some of trump's moves. >> getting temporary. >> restraining orders so that trump can't put. >> his. agenda into effect. >> but democratic politicians don't. democratic lawmakers don't have a majority in the house and the senate, and they are scrambling to figure out how to rebut trump. it's an interesting example of this, where senate democrats. wanted to hold a press conference to object to trump's pardon of january 6th convicts. but things

are moving so rapidly in this white house that they had to pivot at the last second. instead, devote the press conference to spending cuts that trump wanted to bring about. and that's just an example of what we're seeing. >> yeah. no, 100%. and just to just give people perspective here, you write that trump signed more executive orders in ten days than any of his recent predecessors had signed in their first 100 days. there's perspective there. so, yamiche, the president told the new york post he's going to be taking away the federal security clearances for several more individuals. that includes new york attorney general letitia james and manhattan da alvin bragg. this means that bars them from entering federal facilities. what reasoning, if any, is the white house giving for this, or is it just an obvious revenge tactic? >> well, president trump is saying that these democratic figures who were, by the way, very, very publicly accusing him of wrongdoing, that he believes these people were politicizing their roles and as a result,

their security clearances should be taken away. so that is the stance of president trump, that these are people who were misusing their security clearances and that he wants to take them away. of course, critics of these moves will say that this is really president trump going after what he sees as his perceived enemies and exacting revenge here. he also there are a lot of critics who would also say that because these people were pursuing what were, in their minds, perfectly legitimate cases against president trump, they're not being punished for doing that. so those are the two sides of what's going on there, alex. >> peter, does the retribution by donald trump, does that match what he promised out on the campaign trail? >> well, he said various things about retribution. at one point, he told kristen welker that his success success would be his retribution. but we are seeing some acts that look like reprisal to many of those who are at the receiving end. for example, he removed a portrait of mark milley, former joint chiefs of staff, from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff from the pentagon. he's revoked secret service security

details from john bolton and who faces his former national security adviser, who wrote a critical book about trump. so while the president has said that retribution would be his success, people who are who have crossed him are finding out that in the real world, their lives are getting a little bit more difficult. in some cases, security clearances have been yanked, yanked away. >> yamiche. fox news has released a preview clip of the president's interview, which is airing in the next hour ahead of the super bowl. let's take a listen to what he said about elon musk. >> trust elon. oh, he's not gaining anything. in fact, i wonder how he can devote the time to it. he's so into it. but i told him do that. then i'm going to tell him very soon. like maybe in 24 hours to go check the department of education. he's going to find the same thing. then i'm going to go. go to the military. let's check the military. we're going to find billions, hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud and

abuse. and, you know, the people elected me on that. >> so donald trump is cheering on elon to do more cutting. is trump pushing back anywhere on musk or does he have free rein, yamiche? >> well, president trump is saying that elon musk is doing his bidding and that anything that elon musk is doing, it's with his authority that president trump is giving him. he was very clear this week. elon musk reports to him. he said he's also in the past said that elon musk is not a co-president. so he's really pushed back on this notion that some people have had that elon musk is wielding too much power and even more power in some cases than president trump. but as you just heard, he's not only praising elon musk, he's also giving him new targets and are reporting at nbc news. and we broke this story. they're already d.o.j. staffers inside the systems of the department of education. i've talked to a number of people who have told me they've seen emails, that they've also seen actions that tell them that those staffers are already looking through a number of places, including the federal student loan systems, to look at maybe the fraud and waste that they want to find

there. they're also, as the president just said, looking at possibly going into the department of defense, saying that he wants to look at military spending. so these doe staffers are already sort of spreading out. but there's a lot of fear and worry that what happened at usaid, with mass layoffs or potential mass layoffs, because we know a judge has put a block on that temporarily. but there are a lot of people who are worried that they're going to be put on administrative leave, they're going to be furloughed or ultimately lose their jobs. and they're worried not only because of their own families and sort of their own livelihoods, but also the services that the department of education provides to people, including including enforcing civil rights act and also making sure special needs children get the things that they need at their schools. so there's a lot that the department of education does that people are worried about will come to an end. alex. >> okay. yamiche and peter, i want to thank you for nodding in agreement with a lot of what she said. i'll let that be the last word. thank you both. joining me now we have democratic congressman gerry connolly from virginia. he is the ranking member of the house oversight

committee and a member of the foreign affairs committee. congressman, welcome back to the broadcast. good to see you. so you've been quite vocal about democratic elected officials and how they need to fight back against trump administration's, quote, shock and awe playbook. what does that look like? well. >> i think democrats. >> do have tools. >> in the kit box. >> we've got to mobilize. >> rank and file. >> we've got to mobilize public opinion. we've got a message. >> strategically. >> and we've got to litigate. >> and we're. >> doing all three. and i. >> know that your earlier. >> reporter talked. >> about democrats scrambling. >> i think. >> the better. >> word is organizing. >> we are. >> organizing methodically. >> there are. >> 37 lawsuits, for example. >> already filed and growing. >> we've already had. >> some early. >> successes on. >> birthright citizenship. >> on. >> the funding freeze. >> on other. >> fronts as well. >> and we're. >> going. >> to continue that. >> we're in the minority. but that's. >> not that's. not the same as saying. >> without some. >> influence and some power, there's. >> a difference. >> between cutting waste. >> fraud and abuse. >> and dismantling. whole

agencies. >> no engage trump. >> no one gave elon. >> musk that authority. >> it is unconstitutional. it is unlawful. >> it is. >> a violation of. >> article one. >> and. >> we're going. >> to fight it. >> okay. that's the litigation as you're saying there. we have seen multiple federal judges temporarily at least pause some of the trump administration's most controversial actions. are the federal courts. the only real way to stop trump's dismantling of the government? >> well, i think. >> public opinion also matters. for example, with. >> the funding freeze. >> if you remember. >> there was. >> a salutation. >> from omb, the office of management and budget that had to be pulled back because of public outcry, because. >> all of a sudden people realized the programs they cared about that affected their lives in red states. >> and. >> blue states. >> were going to. be frozen. >> and all of a sudden really important lifelines to communities all. >> over america were.

>> frozen and threatened. and the pushback and the playback. >> from the. >> public was so great. that within 48. >> hours that had to be rescinded. >> so public. >> opinion matters. and the. >> public did. >> not give trump a mandate to dismantle the. >> whole chunks of the federal. >> government gave him a. mandate to, you. >> know, kick the. >> tires. >> check the. >> dipstick. >> and make sure that things are. >> running well and efficiently. >> in that part, he has a mandate. but what elon musk is doing is, is way beyond. >> any mandate that trump could possibly. realistically claim. >> and we're going. >> to fight that. >> and you saw that. you saw that in the hearing we had last week. that hearing was supposed to be on reinventing. >> government or. >> or rightsizing government. in fact, it was a hearing all about an unelected south african billionaire who has no mandate at all and lacks the legal authority to do what he's doing right now. >> elon musk attacked the republicans on that committee.

the hearing that you're referencing there, they blocked your move to subpoena musk to answer questions about what he's doing and what he's been up to in the special government employee status that he has. and it brought some heat to the hearing. i want viewers to listen to this. take a listen, everyone. mr. chairman. >> i think it's outrageous that this committee will not even entertain a no. >> you state. >> your chairman. that's not a point of order, i. point of order. >> our federal agents. >> oh! >> my. >> out of order! >> not out. >> of order and. >> out of order! >> a motion to. >> this is demagoguery. this is. >> as are in favor. >> of tabling. >> yes. >> let's have. >> order in. >> this country. >> you're out of order. >> you know you're out of order. >> you know the rules of. >> this committee. >> there's been a motion. >> mr. elon. >> musk is out of order and dismantled. >> he's out of order. >> i call. >> the question.

>> well, get a transcript of that one. but the question is to you, sir, why would republicans block bringing musk in for questioning? and why wouldn't musk? i mean, he's been very vocal on x. why wouldn't he just want to come in and talk about his intentions? >> good questions. all my motion to subpoena him i thought. >> would have. >> some broader support on the republican side. it had none. you mentioned that they squashed it, but they had they had a scramble they were running into they were collecting people and running into that hearing room. and they were able to table the motion on a one vote majority, 20. >> to 19. >> but the entire tenor and topic of the hearing shifted to elon musk, didn't it? so we achieved our goal, and we're going to use the hearings. we're going to use every part of the bully pulpit. we've got to continue to hold them accountable. who is this unelected south african emigre who's a the world's wealthiest man, apparently running the us

government, who elected him to do anything. >> on thursday, the foreign affairs committee on which you sit is holding a hearing. it's titled the usaid betrayal. so as we await the outcome of the court's pause on trump's plans to shut down the international aid agency, how do you expect your republican colleagues to justify closing the agency? >> i think that i think they're going to hide behind, you know, some examples of spending that apparently tanked the entire agency. it's important for us. excuse me to make it clear that aid is the world's largest food aid program. it saves tens of millions of lives every year. it saves kids from malnutrition. it's also one of the largest public health agencies in the world, helping to eradicate polio, helping to eradicate schistosomiasis, helping through pepfar, a republican program inaugurated by president george w bush. 26 million people being

saved from hiv every day that they continue to freeze funding for aid. 300 more babies are born with hiv in the world. this is a humanitarian agency that has huge positive, consequential aspects to it that we have to save. we have to protect. it's only 1% or less of the federal budget, but it has a worldwide impact. it is a shameful moment for the republicans to retreat from that. but they're going to. >> it ought to be required reading for everybody who will be attending and commenting in that hearing. to read friday's article in the washington post that looks at the 12 items that the trump administration put out there as being the issues and the problems and the fraud and abuse and waste, one of which was telling the entire truth. so they had to look at that and then come in and have a conversation about it. >> gerry connolly. >> i always appreciate our conversations. i'll see you again. thank you. >> my pleasure. alex. >> thank you.

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u.s. attorneys. >> these are. >> civil service. >> lawyers. >> professionals, many of them decorated and awarded, who have been. >> fired simply. >> because they did their jobs in prosecuting people who. violently assaulted. >> our police officers. those people. >> should. >> be reinstated and rehired immediately. >> well, joining us now for more on these developments is politico senior legal affairs reporter josh gerstein. josh, welcome to you. so a deal was reached between fbi and doj officials to not release publicly the names of these investigators. do we know how this deal came about? do we know who was involved in this agreement? and if this is permanent? or is it just a delay? >> well, alex, it seems to me like. >> for now. >> it's not permanent. >> it's just temporary. >> and it came about after. >> a federal. >> judge put a fair on the trump administration. >> basically. >> saying, well, she was going. >> to possibly consider imposing an order that would block not

just release. >> of these names, but maybe even the sharing of these names between different government agencies. >> unless the two. >> sides came to some temporary agreement here. and indeed. >> that's what happened overnight thursday into friday. so the agreement. >> doesn't go. >> quite as far as some of the fbi agents groups. >> and other people. >> affected might have liked who wanted to. >> see this information. >> basically, you know, stovepipe. there at the fbi or no. >> further than. >> the doj. it does allow the doj to share this with other government agencies the way i read it, but it prohibits them making this list of names public. it would also. by the way. >> alex. >> be a massive, massive list. and i'm not sure really what the. >> utility of. >> it is from a from a disciplinary point of view, if you're talking about 5 or 6000 people on the list, the idea that you're going to take some kind of discipline against that many people is going to be very, very, very impractical, it seems to me. >> yeah. for sure. are there any indications so far the doj and the attorney general, pam bondi, will pursue former special

counsel jack smith. >> well, i mean, i think there are indications on her first day she signed an order trying to rid the justice department of what trump and his administration have called the, quote, weaponization of it under the biden administration. and there were references to alvin bragg. i know up in new york, and certainly the fact that they have dismissed, as maybe jamie raskin was. alluding to earlier, in addition to the prosecutors working on j. six cases, they also dismissed prosecutors who worked on what was arguably the biggest j six case of all the case against donald trump working for special counsel jack smith. a lot of those people are out of the building just walking around the building. last week, i saw nameplates that had gone missing of people that had had, you know, maybe not minor roles, but certainly not lead level roles in that investigation. so there's already been some action. whether that will progress to some kind of criminal action or other action against jack smith, i think

weights remains to be seen right now. >> josh, there's new reporting by the washington post which says candidates for top law enforcement and intelligence positions in the trump administration are facing simple yes or no questions related to the outcome of the 2020 election. and those saying it was a free and fair election, they are not getting the jobs. have you heard similar accounts of that? >> yeah, i definitely have. and that if anybody has any kind of record on social media of making even sort of the mildest criticisms of trump, they are generally ruled out from candidacy. we saw this, alex, during the confirmation hearings, both of pam bondi and of kash patel, when they were asked about the 2020 election and who won, they got into tongue twisters, saying that, you know, president joe biden served as the president of the united states, and they couldn't quite say that trump had lost the election and joe biden had won it. and it seems to me that

if you're on the record saying something, you know, like that in this administration, you're not going to be considered certainly for a high level job and maybe for any level, a job. this was a standard that we started to see come in towards the end of the last trump administration, when the white house really aggressively took over the appointments of everyone to every branch of the government. >> let me take a look at just one way. the fbi is right now experiencing chaos. as the wall street journal reports, removal of career officials has left the agency reeling. agents reassigned to other cases, often to pursue president trump's migrant deportation efforts, are also juggling their current cases. are there enough agents to take on all the work, or will some cases, especially, say, on white collar crime and national security? josh, are they going to fall through the cracks? >> i think they definitely will. if we see the full diversion here that the trump justice department has announced in one

of those memos announcing the first few days of the administration, they said the joint terrorism task forces. and note the word there, alex, terrorism is in the title of the task forces. we're going to be redirected to do immigration enforcement. and there are only so many people on these task forces. they've been extremely successful, particularly in the new york area, in averting all kinds of terrorist attacks over the last 20 years. and so if you're going to take a substantial number of those agents who work in cooperation with local police or local sheriffs or other people at the state and local level, and tell them now, we want you working on immigration enforcement that's going to take away from their bandwidth to run down terrorist leads in the future. and also remember, some of those state and local governments have other policies regarding immigration enforcement, and those officers might not be permitted to take part in those kinds of operations. so it really is going to send those kinds of task forces and cooperative efforts between the state,

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unprecedented security measures, especially since this will be the first time a sitting president of the united states will attend the big game. nbc's jesse kirsch is happy to join me from new orleans, where more than 100,000 visitors are gathered for the first game. it's your first game, too. i know you're excited. give me a sense of the mood of fans ahead of kickoff, jesse. >> yeah. >> i can tell you it's starting to get louder and louder here outside of the stadium. so that's the superdome right behind me. they've got a bit of a fan fest set up out here. i've got eagles flags there, cheerleaders out here. people are starting to file in with jerseys for the chiefs and the eagles. so we've got a lot of red a lot of green out here right now alex. and as you mentioned tens of thousands of people expected to be filling downtown new orleans today, including president trump. we see secret service out here, tsa out here, beyond what you would see typically at a stadium in terms of security presence outside on the perimeter as people make their way through security checkpoints. so a lot of law enforcement out here, we know they're going to be around

3000 personnel spread out across the city, in the sky, on boats and on foot downtown. and this is just weeks after that deadly terror attack in the french quarter on bourbon street. i can tell you that area now appears to be much more heavily fortified with physical barriers, with a visible presence of law enforcement personnel. a lot of people out here trying to make sure that all of these fans are safe. and of course, there will be tens of millions of people expected to be watching this game on television. so really, this city, both in terms of its fan experience and the security presence, are under the microscope in a really big way today. alex. >> okay. it's going to be safe there. i bet you probably the safest place in the country, that's for sure. thank you, jesse, for that. meantime, the hot mic moment from canada's prime minister and the reaction to what he said on the sunday talk shows. >> your life is pretty smart. >> but when it's time to eat, suddenly you feel out. >> of sync. >> refresh your routine with.

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mcclendon, vice president of political strategy at crooked media, along with former florida representative and msnbc political analyst carlos curbelo. welcome, both of you. good to see you. so, shaniqua, trump has signed more executive orders in the first ten days than recent presidents have in 100 days. there's so much for democrats to try and fight back against and limited power. really to do it with is the budget. then their biggest weapon? >> absolutely. this is the one time that democrats will actually be able to. exploit some of the divisions within the republican party. >> it's going to be really. >> hard for. >> mike johnson to. >> pass appropriations bills. that that, you know, he'll be able to get his entire caucus on board for. and he has a really, really slim majority as some of the house members that donald trump has. appointed to his administration are leaving the house. and so he's either going to have to depend on members of the freedom caucus who have been really clear about what they.

>> are and are not. >> willing to support when it comes to government spending. and if he doesn't get their support. >> he's going to need democrats. >> and democrats are going to push for really important concessions if he's to get any of their votes. >> yeah. carlos, you served in the house. how difficult is it going to be for republicans to get this budget done without democratic support? and why aren't we seeing much any republican opposition to any of trump and musks actions so far? >> alex, in terms of government funding, it has been many years since republicans have been able to, on their own, pass a government funding bill. most of these bills end up being bipartisan bills. so republicans. need some democrats at least. and usually it's a significant number of democrats to go along with them in order to fund the government in order to do things like deal with the debt ceiling. so this is going to be a key moment here in the

early going of the trump administration, in the early going of this 119th congress, because democrats certainly have a pretty strong hand. the house is almost tied. i mean, republicans can only afford to lose two seats. so if democrats refuse to cooperate, well, there might be a political cost associated with that, alex. but ultimately, republicans control the house, the senate and the white house. it is their responsibility to make sure that government is running and to make sure the government gets funded. >> so shaniqua, with trump's tariff threats looming, prime minister justin trudeau spoke about what he seems to view as a real threat from the u.s. he was caught on a hot mic during a closed door meeting. here's part of it. >> mr. trump has. >> it in. >> mind that the easiest. >> way to do it is. >> and it is a real thing. in my

conversation with him. >> so it cuts off there when i think they realize the mic is on. does it seem like canada is seeing these jokes about it becoming the 51st state? and they are not laughing? and by the way, trump national security advisor did not dismiss this completely out of hand on the sunday talk shows. >> yeah. you know, it's i think everyone's really clear that we have to start believing donald trump when he says he's going to do things. and we know that there's not going to be a nice way that the united states can make canada its 51st state. there's and donald trump has even said he's not he hasn't ruled out military action to take over these countries that he's been talking about doing. and so as funny as it is to hear donald trump say these things, if you are a leader of one of those countries and you know that he says these things and his brain, they make sense. you you do have to be concerned. you know, he, justin trudeau, is someone who's going to have to actually deal with donald

trump's delusions because he's in charge and his party is letting him do whatever he wants. i think something else that is interesting here is that, you know, it just feels like this is an extension of donald trump trying to prove his masculinity and say, you know, i can take this country, but it is something that trudeau is really going to have to grapple with. >> okay, so, carlos, when you combine that with the cuts that trump is looking to make at the cia shuttering the u.s. agency for international development, what risks does that pose on an international scale? >> alex? it's a real risk. i mean, we do a lot all over the world, and i know that's been criticized, but the end goal of all of that work overseas in dangerous parts of the world where cia agents are operating right now, is to keep the united states safe. it's to make sure that we continue being the

dominant power in the world to prevent terrorism from coming to our shores and to our homeland, as we have seen in the past. so if there's instability at these agencies, if there's uncertainty, if people don't feel like they are backed up by the president, by the executive branch, by the legislative branch, people will either start leaving these agencies. it will be tough to recruit people into these agencies. and over the long term, there will be a cost to u.s. national security, which also means a cost to our economy and to our prosperity as a country. so all of this matters. the trump administration, i think, is correct to try to make the government more efficient, to weed out waste, fraud and abuse. the way this is done matters, though. the way this is done is what's troubling a lot of people these days, and what could cause it to break either

legally. and we've already seen that, as some courts have blocked some of these actions, or politically, when the american people or republicans in congress start pushing back and saying this is too much. >> yeah, well, it's like using a wrecking ball instead of a scalpel for surgical precision. but let's talk about guantanamo, because more than three dozen migrants have been sent to guantanamo bay so far, trump is trying to turn that into a large scale detention center. and kristi noem visited the base friday and said that vicious gang members will no longer have safe haven in our country. but with the number of migrants that trump wants to house there, will it truly be all violent criminals? i mean, how will we even know? >> we won't know. i think something that we've known as a country for some time is that we don't know what's going on in guantanamo bay. you know, you think back to the pictures that came out during the iraq and afghanistan wars, and people were really horrified to see what was going on. and i think that is the point. this is a

continuation of donald trump's cruelness. and i'm not sure a different way to say this, other than he is an evil man. and i think he's really intent on harming people that he feels not only shouldn't be in america but don't represent, you know, quote unquote, what america is, which for him is white men being in charge. and so it's really, you know, really unfortunate. i would hope that the people, our leaders care about people's human rights and sending people who are just trying to chase the american dream, sending them there, it's not going to just be people who are in gangs. it's going to be anyone that they don't think fits the description of who should be in this country. >> and in fact, carlos, lawyers are worrying that those migrants at guantanamo, they're going to be in a legal black hole for lawyers, say, those who have arrived so far, they're being denied access to legal counsel. so what kind of oversight of these camps do you think there's going to be? >> yeah, as we know, the us government has long used guantanamo as a place that is

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