heard telling her horse to get that bad man, but the drug suspect was no match for the horsepower and was quickly apprehended. it's fine. fine. everything's fine. dhs secretary kristi noem's comments about elon musk ahead. good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. we begin with day 21 of the second donald trump presidency and new details from a new york post interview with trump on board air force one. it's from friday. trump says, then that he spoke with russian president vladimir putin, but he declined to disclose when he did it or how many conversations they've had. >> when did. >> that phone. >> call take place? >> was it after. >> the. >> president was. >> elected and what was his message to putin?

>> well, i'm. >> not going to get ahead of the president. and there are certainly a lot of sensitive conversations going on. >> the new york post also reports trump said he is stripping several of his perceived rivals of their security clearances. and among them, former biden white house officials, prosecutors and former doj officials. >> revenge and. >> retribution are the commanding animus for donald trump right now. and so this vengeance tour, this mass. political vendetta, suddenly has become the overriding. >> agenda of. >> the government. >> and the republican party is allowing his. >> fantasies. >> his mania and his pathologies to define public policy. >> in the country. >> new bipartisan calls for elon musk to appear before congress to answer questions from lawmakers on the sweeping moves across governmental agencies. >> if you actually have a spotlight of transparency that

you think that there is waste. >> or fraud. >> then come to congress and expose it. don't do this in secrecy. and you don't get to make the decisions. >> he needs. >> to come before the committee. he should be subpoenaed. it's very. >> he's he's he's very disruptive. first off, let's be clear. usaid is not a criminal enterprise. and people who work for the government have an important job to do. and they need to be honored. he needs to, in a more professional way, to communicate with the american public and certainly communicate to the government enterprise a professional goal and objective. >> and trump says he'll be interviewed later this hour ahead of today's super bowl event. we are monitoring for that. and confirmation votes are expected this week for tulsi gabbard, trump's nominee for director of national intelligence, and for robert f kennedy jr. trump's nominee for health and human services secretary. we've got reporters and analysts in place covering all of these new developments for us. and we're going to start with yamiche alcindor at the white house. yamiche, another welcome to you, my friend. so what are we hearing from the president today about his decision to give elon musk

access to federal records? >> well, president trump is continuing to praise elon musk and say that his work is really important to the country and that he believes that he is doing something not to gain anything personally, but but to really serve the american people. he was asked specifically about this in an interview that he did with fox news. that's going to be airing just in the next few minutes here. but take a listen to this early bite that we got released already. >> bottom line, you. >> say you trust him. >> trust elon. oh, he's not gaining anything. in fact, i wonder how he can devote the time to it. he's so into it. but i told him do that. then i'm going to tell him very soon. like maybe in 24 hours to go check the department of education. he's going to find the same thing. then i'm going to go. go to the military. let's check the military. we're going to find billions, hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud and abuse. and, you know, the people elected me on that. >> so there you have it.

president trump really standing by the work of elon musk and the doge staffers that have really been setting their targets on a number of federal agencies, as you just heard, president trump saying that he wants elon musk to look at the department of education, as well as the department of defense and military spending. we should all, of course, know that this is happening as people are questioning whether or not elon musk has too much power in the government. but president trump saying that he's really doing all of this, elon musk is doing all of this at the pleasure of the president that he reports to him. he said he's not a co-president. he said all of the authority that elon musk has has it's because the president is giving it to him. though, of course, there are a lot of critics here. we have a federal judge who has stopped access with doge staffers when it comes to sensitive payment systems in the treasury. we also have another judge that has stopped usaid potential mass layoffs that elon musk and doge staffers wanted to put in place. so there are legal hurdles that president trump and his administration are running into. and then there are, of course, just the criticisms from federal workers who say their lives are being upended, but also the work that

they're doing for the american people are being upended. take in point, the department of education. i talked to a number of people who say the department of education, it enforces civil rights law, and it also does things like help special needs kids access things that they need, independent resources that they need in order to get a proper education if they have disabilities. so there's a lot of worry here across the federal government. but president trump standing by elon musk alex. >> yeah, let me ask you about the trump administration, donald trump revoking the security clearances for so many officials. how are they putting that into context? are they offering an explanation for it other than what appears to be retribution? >> well, president trump says that he's targeting some people, including alvin bragg, who, of course, is the da of manhattan, but also letitia james. he's saying that he's going after these people because they politicize their their roles and their responsibilities, and they unfairly targeted him. that's the argument that trump is making. president trump is making in revoking these security clearances, that essentially these people misused

their security, these security clearances. but of course, there are critics of the president who are saying this is really about revenge. he's going after officials who went after him for doing things that he that they believed were right. they believe that their responsibilities were to hold president trump accountable, especially when he was a citizen going after his business dealings, going after things that they believe were wrongdoings of his. but of course, president trump is, of course, sort of really arguing that just the opposite, saying that these people were just going after him because they didn't like him politically. so we should expect that list to continue growing, because we've seen president trump go after a number of his perceived enemies. so definitely something to watch there, alex. >> okay, yamiche, thank you so much from the white house. also new today, democrats sounding the alarm on president trump's sweeping executive orders and elon musk's blitz through some 17 federal agencies. here's senator chris murphy a short time ago. >> i think this is the most serious constitutional crisis the country has faced, certainly since watergate. the president is attempting to seize control

of power and for corrupt purposes. the president wants to be able to decide how and where money is spent so that he can reward his political friends. he can punish his political enemies. that is the evisceration of democracy. you stand that next to the wholesale endorsement of political violence, with the pardons given to every single january 6th rioter, he is trying to crush his opposition by making them afraid of losing federal funding, by making them afraid of physical violence. >> joining me now, joyce vance, former federal prosecutor, now university of alabama law professor, co-host of the sisters in law podcast and an msnbc legal analyst. joyce, welcome to you. so two notions stand out to me from that statement by senator murphy, comparisons to watergate and constitutional crisis by definition. are we in a constitutional crisis? and whatever this is, is it worse

than watergate? >> yeah, i think it's. >> very difficult to make those. comparisons in the moment, simply because we don't know what's. going to come next. we know what happened in watergate. ultimately, the rule of law and the constitution held here. we have questions heading into this week. >> and so i think the. >> best answer alex. >> i can give. >> is to say this. >> elections have consequences. >> and one is that presidents get to set priorities. donald trump can decide that immigration is the most. important thing he wants to do during his term in office. people may agree or they may disagree, but he has that power as president. the question now is whether he has other power and authority he's trying to exert. can he, for instance, with the stroke. >> of a pen, change the. >> constitution, as he's tried to do with birthright citizenship? and to. >> senator murphy's point, what. >> happens when he decides to. >> send someone who's. >> of questionable status, quite frankly, in terms of whether

they're a. >> government employee or not. into a government. agency on a poorly. >> defined mission that may involve fraud and waste, but may just as easily. involve other things. and so the questions will grapple with this week, largely in the courts. but perhaps. >> in congress. >> too, is whether trump has the legal authority to do these things, or whether he's. acting illegally. >> and beyond his constitutional authority. >> okay, so if we are in a constitutional crisis or even on the brink of one, what can congressional democrats do to stop this? because republicans hold both houses of congress and the gop as a whole, clearly doesn't seem to see this as a crisis. >> yeah, i. think i would go further than that and say that congress really has bent the knee to donald trump, the republican led congress, early on, ceding their power to advise and consent to nominees and letting folks go through with some very questionable personal

characteristics on nominees that, frankly, other senates might have might have balked at confirming. now we continue to see that donald trump issues the memo early on that impounds congressionally authorized spending. the power of the purse is one of the congress's most important powers under the constitution. and while trump's actions are being challenged in court and so far successfully, although in a very preliminary way, the congress hasn't really stood up with one voice. democrats are jumping up and down. they're outraged. but the republican majorities aren't moving against donald trump. and that's concerning here, because congress, in many ways, is the article. one branch of government is meant to be the primary check on the president, the article two branch. >> so after a federal judge yesterday temporarily blocked elon musk and those staffers from accessing treasury department payment systems, vice president vance posted on x today that, quote, judges aren't

allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. what do you make of this logic, joyce? >> well, look, the vice president is a trained and well educated lawyer. he knows that there is decades, really centuries at this point of precedent. that makes it very clear that the courts can look at the executive, the president's exercise of power, just like the supreme court said during the korean war that president truman didn't have the power to seize steel mills. the questions that these cases that are being filed against the trump administration raise is, what are the extent of presidential powers that's well within the court's province to decide. and frankly, the vice president's comments here are very transactional because in in other situations, he has questioned the ability of the president to act and whether or not the courts should rein that in. this has to be more than just a question of who's in power, who's in the oval office.

at any given moment in time. there has to be a principled rule of law approach to the powers of the presidency. that's not what we're seeing from republican critics of the lawsuits being filed against donald trump right now. >> let me ask you quickly about attorney general pam bondi in her first week, what action or actions have you most concerned about the direction she's taking? >> well, she put 14 memos in place on her first day in office, radically altering priorities and the course of the justice department. there's a lot to be concerned about. something that jumped out at me, alex, was the end to one of the kleptocracy task forces that had been very successful in holding russia and russia aligned interests to account for violating sanctions that were imposed against them over ukraine. but it is a very long list. i think we'll be discussing them all in the coming weeks. >> okay. i'm glad you're around to do that with us. thank you, joyce vance. we're on the heels

of that. we're going to bring in politico white house correspondent and msnbc political contributor eugene daniels and political reporter for axios, stef. kai, good to see both of you. so, stef, in that clip that we played there, you heard senator murphy call trump's latest moves a constitutional crisis. what can congressional democrats do to combat some of these orders being carried out? >> i mean, look, there's. >> not a lot of options when. >> you're. >> in the minority in both chambers. it's very difficult for democrats to really have much to do beyond the protests that we've seen them launch, besides kind of the way that they've been pushing back publicly and speaking out against some of these actions taken by elon musk and president trump. but a lot of this is going to rely on republicans. whether we see any concerns among republicans, especially in the senate, whether we see any break from what has been pretty solid support behind anything that president trump does. and, you know, i do think there are some who are a little bit

concerned about how this might continue down the road, especially when it comes to elon musk. republicans are very comfortable with president trump and what he stands for and what he plans to do. but there's a little bit more nervousness about elon musk and his role, especially given it's kind of this unique government role that's not fully fleshed out or defined. and, you know, of course, congress is the part of the government that controls the power of the purse. and that is something that they care deeply about. and so i'm really curious to see whether we get to a point where congress decides, no, this is our job to eliminate agencies and to determine how much money is spent, not elon musk, but we haven't really seen that. >> yeah, no not yet. eugene, it appears if democrats want to take any kind of congressional action against these trump initiatives, they need to get at least a few republicans on board. are there any who would consider speaking out? >> i think so. there there are always a few who are thinking about that. right. but i think, you know, as i talk to some of

their aides and some folks on capitol hill, what. >> i often hear. >> is that they're kind of hoping that the, the they get a lot of cover from the courts. right? we've seen a lot of these lawsuits start to play out, and they hope that they don't have to do anything. we saw representative mike turner earlier today say that he wants you know, he thinks elon musk should maybe come before congress at. least answer to some of these questions. he talked about him being professional and operating in a professional way in the, you know, the endeavor that he and donald trump are working on. >> so there's. >> there's shows that there's some at least public unease. unease is probably the best word to use at this point with how some republicans feel about what's happening. but again, they are so many of them are in lockstep. a lot of the things that elon musk and donald trump are doing are actually things that that conservatives have wanted to do for a really long time, right? they might be uncomfortable with the process, but the actual goals that elon musk and donald trump are following through on are things that conservatives have wanted to do for a long time, right?

waste, fraud and abuse in their eyes at at the education department, at. >> maybe the. >> department of defense having issues with the way that the country gives foreign aid with u.s. aid. right. so a lot of these things they're in lockstep with is the process. i think that is where you see folks get more and more uncomfortable as they move forward. >> yeah. look, i mean, it's a lot of project 2025. and that's when the heritage foundation, that's the roots of it. so let me continue with you, eugene, because donald trump, as you know, has revoked security clearances for a number of people. and that includes the new york attorney general, letitia james, manhattan da alvin bragg, former members of the biden administration as well. does trump appear to have any motivation here other than retribution for his personal grievances? >> i think, you know. >> he would say that they, you know, abuse their power here in going after him. but all of these people kind of have one thing in common, right? they've been on the wrong side of donald trump in some way, shape or form, including president biden. right. these are the kinds of things that were promised, right? when he was running for

office. he talked about retribution. he did back off a little bit and said, you know, that winning was going to be the retribution. but what we've seen over and over again in this first three weeks is that he has gone after the people that have gone after him because he feels he was wronged. and i think, you know, the american people knew well that that's what they were getting. he feels. and his his team feels like they have a mandate to do all of these things. right, whether it's to gut, as they put it, these agencies or go after these folks in their security clearances. the only counter to this really is going to be congress and the courts. the actual checks and balances in this country, and whether or not folks sue. right. i was talking to someone at usaid, and at one point they were they were they didn't know who was going to sue for them. they didn't know who would go forward and put their name on the line. that's worked out in a different way. but at all of these agencies, those kinds of decisions, as elon musk gets in, there are going to have to be

made in the courts, and congress are the only counterbalance to what president trump is doing, including these. the taking away, these security clearances. >> yeah. speaking of access to sensitive information, there are a lot of questions around how much elon musk has has. and that includes reports that the musk led department of government efficiency doj will touch just about every federal agency, including the department of homeland security. let's take a listen to what dhs secretary kristi noem said about it this morning. elon musk. >> is part of the administration that is helping us identify where we can find savings and what we can do, and he has gone through the processes to make sure that he has the authority the president has granted him. i am today by the work that he is doing by identifying waste, fraud and abuse. >> steph, she's saying there she's fine with the amount of access that musk has. is that the general consensus among members of the trump

administration and republican lawmakers overall? or are you hearing folks question that quietly, perhaps questioning. >> you know, what i've heard at this point is kind of, you know, agreeing that they feel like elon musk has a fine amount of access to information. but what i have heard some republicans say is that they want to ensure that when it comes to classified protocol, they want that to be followed. they don't think elon musk should have some kind of exception to have access to information that would be, you know, put national interests at risk. so there's kind of a line there that's at least what i'm hearing so far. i don't know that we've seen these questions raised in a serious way, at least in congress just yet. i think people are, again, comfortable to what eugene was saying. republicans are very comfortable with the goals of elon musk and president trump. they also want to see spending cut. they want to see, you know, fraud and abuse removed from the federal government so they can get behind the actions that have been taken so far. they have

been, you know, not hardly any of them have been critical of the actions. but i do think if we start to see evidence of elon musk having, you know, access to information that is really beyond what anyone should be having access to, given the role he has, we could see some republicans then start to raise the alarm. and one other element of all this to watch is the fact that elon musk himself has so many interests when it comes to the federal government and the contracts that his own companies have with the federal government. and whether we see lawsuits brought in that space in particular, could be another hurdle down the road. >> let me ask you guys, quickly, each of you and steph, you can answer first, why is it that donald trump is admitting now that he has spoken with vladimir putin, allegedly about the situation in ukraine, but we've not gotten a readout. >> you know, i mean, it's not unusual that we wouldn't hear all the details of a conversation of this nature. but trump likes to likes to kind of tout the fact that he has good relationships with world leaders, including leaders of

countries that have have long been enemies of the u.s. he has had a long relationship with putin. it's something that he has prided himself on for a long time. so i'm not surprised to have him admit that he's talked to him. of course, ending the war in ukraine has been a top goal of his. i'm sure we will eventually get more details on what that conversation looked like. >> final word to you on that, eugene. >> yeah, i think steph is right. you know, at some point we will understand what that conversation or those conversations. we don't know yet what what was in them and what happened. i think president trump at some point will probably share as he as he as he often does with those conversations and some, some interview or maybe in front of the white house press corps at the white house. but at the end of the day, we don't know what was said. we don't know whether they happened before he was sworn in as president. right. we typically typically we see one president at a time, especially when it comes to foreign policy. but we did see him, you know,

talk a lot about foreign policy before he was sworn in. and so, you know, some folks that i talked to wouldn't be surprised if that happened before. but again, we're waiting to see kind of the timing of those and more importantly, what was said when you talk to folks who really care about ukraine and ukraine getting, you know, not getting sold a bill of goods in whatever agreement russia and ukraine have to do, they are. >> concerned they. >> want to have a place at the table in the conversations, and they don't want it to be kind of going over their heads. yeah, that's that's part of it. all right. eugene and steph you guys thank you so much. meantime, it is a move by the trump administration that some are calling a counterintelligence disaster. those details when we disaster. those details when we return in 90s. my moderate to severe crohn's disease... ...and my ulcerative colitis symptoms... ...kept me... ...out of the picture. now... ...there's skyrizi. ♪i've got places to go...♪ ♪...and i'm feeling free♪ ♪control of my symptoms means everything...♪ ♪...to me♪ ♪control is everything to me♪

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>> to the big. >> lie when you. >> think about. >> it, right? donald trump. >> simply could not. >> accept that he had been repudiated by the american. >> people like that. >> and everything since has been an effort to. >> undermine and attack that result. >> joining me now is msnbc national security and intelligence analyst and former cia senior intelligence officer, marc polymeropoulos. hey, marc, my friend. good to see you. so what are the consequences of revoking all these clearances? >> you know, in the. >> case of. former president biden or perhaps jake sullivan and others, this is just kind of the performative theater, the red meat that trump is throwing at his base. but what concerns me is some of the others, frankly, when you talk about some. attorneys and truth be told, mark zaid is someone a national security attorney in washington. he's represented me in a case where i was actually fighting for health care against the cia. so, you know, mark zaid is someone who has worked on behalf of republican and democratic clients. he's battled against government malfeasance.

his security clearance is really important. and he has a lot of actually clients in the maga world. so this is almost an own goal. and it just shows. this is kind of petty and vindictive because mark ultimately had represented and is currently doing so, fbi agents who might be subject of a purge. but this is petty, vindictive. it's beneath. >> the office. >> of the presidency. i think president trump said that he wouldn't do this. i don't think anyone believed him. and of course he is going forward now with it. >> but, you know, the thing that bothers me in particular, look at someone like antony blinken. what if marco rubio wants to call him up and say, hey, this is the situation we're dealing with here. what do you think? i mean, anthony blinken won't be up to speed on what's happening, right? >> he won't have a security clearance. and apparently part of these executive orders. >> he also can't go into, you know, classified spaces as well. so it's just it's also bizarre in that notion. i mean, a lot of times when you have administrations moving from one group to a next, you will have you will have senior officials call on their predecessors. in this case, certainly that won't happen. i don't know if it would

have happened anyhow, because i think marco rubio would would not like to face the wrath of donald trump if he ever did call anthony blinken. but but again, petty, vindictive, unnecessary. and it's really has nothing to do with kind of safeguarding the american people. >> so in that same interview we're referencing, president trump revealed that he spoke with russian president vladimir putin. trump was pretty tight lipped on how many times they've spoken, saying he'd, quote, better not say why the secrecy, mark? >> yeah, it's a little strange. i mean, this is obviously president trump's style. very often when we see, you know, the president's talk with foreign leaders, we'll also get a readout from the white house as well. i think when it comes to the ukraine war, there's a lot of uncertainty. you know, i was in europe a couple of weeks ago, and everyone is trying to assess what the policies of this administration will be, and no one can really figure this out. there's a very capable emissary in general kellogg who's, you know, set to kind of or has already taken the helm of the ukraine file. but we don't know what kind of peace plan they're

going to put forward. are we going to sell the ukrainians down the river? do we give the ukrainians some kind of security guarantees? what about europe? all of this is murky and this kind of just loose talk of, we're going to end the war in a matter of days. of course it hasn't happened, but we don't have any details. and so i think a lot will come in the next couple of days. we have the munich security conference coming up. i think jd vance is going to meet with president zelensky. so we should hear more about this, this peace plan shortly. >> he also mentioned that he would like a deal done with iran on non-nuclear, but he was reluctant to give any details. what's the likelihood of a potential deal with iran? >> well, i think one of the things that was always a big question is, would the us support a military strike on the iranian nuclear program in conjunction with the israelis? of course, that seemed to fly in the face of trump running on this anti-war platform, and now he's talking about a deal? of course, don't forget, deals were something that the trump administration kind of was very critical of president biden. and so and how does this even kind of gel with the what the

israelis want to see, which i think is a strike on the iranian nuclear program. and so ultimately, again, these are just no details. this is almost, you know, second or third grader talk. we want to do this. we want to do that. no details right now, iran is going to be an enormous challenge for the trump administration. their nuclear program is certainly on the verge of a big breakthrough, a deal, a military strike, a combination of more coercive diplomacy with maximum pressure and sanctions. we just don't know. now. >> let me ask you quickly, as we look at security concerns, sending names of cia recent hires in an unclassified email, one former agency officer said, this is a counterintelligence disaster, and senator mark warner himself called it a disastrous national security development. what do you call it, mark? and what kind of threats could these people be facing? >> well, to me, again, if these reports are true, we're exposing basically the next generation of cia undercover cia officers. if these were sent down in an

unsecured fashion to this, you know, task force, this office of management budget or elon musk group, even if they talk about how they just name sent the names of, you know, first name and a last initial, it's not difficult for an adversary to find out who are who are covert officers are. so do they then go on assignments to really tough places in kind of hard target areas, you know, such as russia or china or other locations where we need to have officers undercover. it seems like a tremendous own goal. i still can't understand it. and ultimately, this could have done some serious damage for the next generation of cia talent. >> okay, mark polymeropoulos always sobering, but i appreciate chatting with you every weekend if we can. thank you much. tighter than tight. what we know about the security at the super bowl next. >> legal game. >> and, doug, you'll. >> be back. emus can't help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. you're just a.

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last. >> night, and. >> there were a ton of law. enforcement people. >> around, so. >> we felt good, right? >> the police. >> presence has been wonderful. >> they're everywhere. >> they're not in. >> they're not bothering anybody. >> yeah. >> i don't have. >> any concerns. >> because this. >> this the. we live in a society where. >> hey. >> listen, we hope. >> most people. >> are lawful. >> and follow the laws. >> but you never. >> can stop all crazy. >> but i. >> think they've. >> done as much as they. >> possibly can here. feel totally. >> safe here. >> it's a great place. >> it is very safe. >> it's got to be the safest city. in the country right now. i mean, security is everywhere, but everybody seems to be acting. acting, right? >> yeah. >> people want to have fun. >> they don't want. >> any drama. >> there's no question the fans and law enforcement would hope that this just continues to be a party atmosphere and does not turn into anything that requires them to step in on another level. but i can tell you, having talked with a federal homeland security official yesterday, is that in case of an emergency, we're told that it is state and local officials who would be working with the nfl to make those decisions. and i only

flagged that, alex, because just weeks ago, after that terror attack here in new orleans, there were a lot of questions about judgment calls that have been made by officials in this city and potential measures that were not put in place that could have been put in place ahead of that new year's day attack. so something to keep in mind about who the decision makers are on the ground here, but definitely a local, state, federal involvement on the ground here in conjunction with the national football league ahead of a game that is going to be potentially watched by tens of millions of people. alex. >> you got it. jesse. thank you much. the deluge of phone calls heard all over capitol hill. heard all over capitol hill. who's really listening where ya headed? susan: where am i headed? am i just gonna take what the markets gives me? no. i can do some research. ya know, that's backed by j.p. morgan's leading strategists like us. when you want to invest with more confidence... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management if you're living with diabetes, i'll tell you the same thing i tell my patients. getting on dexcom g7 is one of the easiest ways to take better control

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going to be a lot of people who die. at the same time, they're authorizing a $50,000. emergency paint job on a house for unqualified defense secretary pete hegseth to live in with 100 and another $137,000. >> in improvements. >> i mean, this is a millionaire. why is he not paying for his own housing? and why do we need a $50,000 paint job. >> for him when we are cutting. billions in. >> medical research and closing the consumer financial protection bureau, which has returned $20 billion to the taxpayers from financial abuses. >> yeah, i'm not even going to try to answer that question. so i'm going to ask you another one. nbc news spoke with a number of democratic lawmakers who are struggling to keep up with the dizzying pace of trump's actions in his first three weeks in office. and you posted a video this week on how democrats are fighting back and they're seeing wins in courtrooms. is that the most effective way to fight back right now?

>> this is a multi-level, all hands on deck approach that we are taking. as democrats to. fight donald trump. i have constituents who stopped me all throughout this weekend who want to know what we're doing. >> and who want to. >> see us fighting. >> back in december, if you remember, we stopped them from. >> a from a. >> massive debt ceiling. increase that. >> would have. >> encompassed trump's entire presidency because they're trying to make room for more billionaire tax cuts in their reconciliation package. we stop that from happening because. >> of sunlight. >> because we banded together. >> as. >> democrats, and we refuse to allow it to happen and wouldn't vote for the cr unless they relented, which they did. we made. >> sure that that that the. >> courts ended the possibility, at least for now, of trump ending birthright citizenship. i mean, if you. are born in this country, the constitution says you're an american citizen, full stop. i mean, that kind. >> of. >> litigation, along with numerous other lawsuits that have been successful, like

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journal. the mood of the american consumer is souring. tariff threats, market turbulence causing jitters. and even disney is worried about the high cost of a disney vacation. what do you read into the latest consumer sentiment numbers? >> well, again, you know, donald trump said he was going to come in and he was going to fix inflation on day one of his administration. but he's pursuing policies that are inflationary. tariffs are inflationary. and frankly, he doesn't really have a policy in place. we shouldn't even call it that. he's swinging it like a cudgel in order to extract. small bore concessions from countries who are allies of ours, like mexico and canada. thus far he's got some light tariffs he's put on on china. we'll see how much further he goes with that. but at the end of the day it raises the cost of living. and it hurt again. it hurts consumers. it hurts the average people. >> you're telling me this exactly one week ago, the futures market tanked when trump's tariffs were set to take effect against canada and mexico. two days ago, trump

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