it in your book at one point, a ghost flight. >> it was known. as as the ghost flight. that was the nam that it is it sort of became this thing and trump campaign lore, and there were a lot of hard feelings about it. >> wouldn't you expect that? there would be, though? i mean, that leadership wouldn't tell you you're on a flight like that. >> yeah. and some of them wondered why they shouldn't just didn't just take commercial to get to where they needed to be. >> exactly. a really fantastic question, one that i'm sure we will be asking as we dig into your book. senior political reporter for axios alex isenstadt. thank you. we're going to have you back to talk more about your upcoming book, revenge. that was way too early for this monday morning. morning joe starts right now. >> some of. your plays. >> have raised some. >> questions and had some pushback. >> 19 states. >> attorneys general. >> filed a. >> lawsuit. >> and early saturday. >> a judge. >> agreed with them to. >> restrict elon. >> musk and his. >> government efficiency. >> team d.o.j, from. >> accessing treasury department payment and data systems. they said there was a risk of

irreparable harm. what do you make of that? >> and does. >> that slow you down on what you want to do? i disagree with it 100%. i think it's crazy. >> president trump. >> has never cared. >> for judges. >> who rule. >> against him, whether it's in. >> civil court, criminal. >> trial or now. >> in his. >> attempts to. >> gut the federal government. courtesy of elon musk. it comes as the vice president, jd. >> vance. >> says the. >> quiet part. >> out loud. >> suggesting federal courts. aren't allowed to. limit the white house's. >> legitimate power. >> we're going to talk about the. >> ruling that inspired that highly problematic position. and if you didn't. >> stay up. >> late to watch the philadelphia eagles. >> crushed kansas. >> city last. >> night in. >> super bowl. >> 59. >> denying the chiefs. >> what would have been. >> an historic three peat. >> good morning. >> and. >> welcome to morning joe. it is monday. >> february 10th. >> with us. >> we have. >> the co-host of our fourth. >> hour, jonathan lemire. he's a contributing. >> writer at.

>> the atlantic covering the white house and national politics, u.s. special correspondent for. bbc news. katty kay, the host of way too early. ali vitali, managing editor at the bulwark, sam stein and rogers chair in the american presidency at. vanderbilt university, historian jon meacham. he's an. msnbc political analyst. and joe, i was just telling pablo. >> here. >> my hex worked. >> yes it did. >> yes it did. >> i'm going to do it. every time now. >> i feel. >> so powerful. mika. pablo. >> he knows there. i know what she said. on friday, she. she wanted the eagles to win. so she picked the chiefs. >> exactly. >> and we're going to we're going to be talking to pablo a good a good bit about the super bowl. >> remarkable super bowl. >> last night. >> just going to. >> do a quick take. we're going to do a quick tease though. with pablo here because pablo. and

then we'll get to you after we get to the news. >> that means. >> keep. >> it short. >> yeah okay. >> about j.d. vance saying that they don't. >> have to. >> listen to federal judges, so maybe we'll we'll get to that at the off the top. >> but just really quickly. >> last night. >> what a remarkable. >> super bowl in that you have a guy. and of course jonathan lamir is was supposed to be off today. but he came back. >> on today ecstatic. simply to. >> simply to say never ever say patrick mahomes is the goat again. >> but i. >> will. >> tell you, man, he. mahomes turned in one of the worst performances by any quarterback since the 2000 super bowl. by some stats. and listen, i love j.d. hurts. i'm glad he was the mvp, but how? i mean, how do you not also look at that defensive line that didn't have to blitz one time and they dominated the game. they framed the game. they were as great man as as the

steel curtain back in the 1970s. >> yeah. physical dominance. >> joe i mean. >> this was. >> the most. >> shocking version. >> of this game that i. >> honestly had not imagined a blowout. >> like this. >> and i heard from lamar all night. >> obviously, i. >> felt like his cosmic powers. >> yes. >> also. >> what we saw was a. >> very funny thing. as shocking as it. >> was, it was. >> the chiefs looking like the rest. >> of us. >> it was the. >> mythologically powerful. >> chiefs looking like the. >> jets. >> frankly. >> in. >> that first half. to your point, it was patrick mahomes. >> as the old version of sam darnold. it was mortality. >> and at. >> this. >> scale i mean that in terms of the. >> audience, in terms. >> of the way it happened, the. the beating up of. >> the. >> golden child. >> of mahomes with brady watching, which we can talk about also in a bit with tom brady there. >> calling the game. >> it felt it felt kind. >> of. >> shakespearean and hilarious

and also surreal. i heard from eagles fans who were, yeah, celebrating in my face because of my pick friday. >> actually. >> it was. >> it was unbelievable. and of course jalen hurts was the mvp. and again i'm so glad. glad for jalen on so many levels. i mean jalen was the guy who kept a screenshot off of their super bowl loss two years ago, and you wondered. whether that was effective or not. is the eagles last season had one of the greatest late season collapses after an 11 one start that anybody can remember. they, you know, people talking about them firing, their coach talking. and then jonathan lemire, you know, barkley may not have had an incredible night last night, but because he had such an incredible year and because the chiefs were so focused on stopping barkley last night, they opened everything up for jalen hurts and the rest of that eagles offense. >> oh this. >> is good. >> this is good. oh here we go.

>> you are. >> you are right. >> no let's give credit. >> first of all credit. >> the eagles. >> defense did a great job. stopping saquon barkley. >> who was. >> arguably the best. >> player in the league all year. >> didn't do much at. >> all yesterday. >> caught a few. >> passes but. >> nowhere near his. >> usual standards. >> but that's about all we. >> can say. >> the chiefs. >> did right. >> jalen hurts was terrific. >> came out throwing. >> he also made a bunch. >> of plays with his legs. >> you know. >> to extend leads. >> and i think. >> that the eagles. >> defensive line. collectively should have been the mvp. >> as good. >> as hurts was they harassed mahomes all night. they the chiefs made no. >> attempt to. >> run the ball. >> they couldn't do it. >> they had struggled going into the. >> into the game anyway. and they forced mahomes into. >> some uncharacteristic terrible plays. >> we're seeing one right now. >> the pick six he committed. he threw. >> two interceptions. >> one. back for a touchdown. he threw a third. >> that was. >> called back for a penalty correctly. he also fumbled. that set up a chiefs points. >> late in the game. and those turnovers. >> were just backbreaking. and yes. >> i do. >> have to say. >> this. this is.

>> now a moment where a brilliant. >> is mahomes. >> is go. let's put the. >> conversation aside, at least. >> for now. >> here we go. at least. >> for now that tom brady and his three he looked he was won seven. >> super. >> bowls lost three. >> but in the three that he lost were one score games. >> all of them. >> mahomes is two losses were blowouts. let's just put this away for the time being. >> that's all i'll say. >> well okay we. >> will do that. and we're going to put the super bowl away for a moment and going to get to the news. but before we do, i just want to say, because i actually care about newspapers and i love newspapers, and i will say there have been years that have passed many years ago. where i've gone through a sunday new york times and it just i was wondering what the editors were thinking when they put it together. i would tell you yesterday, and things like this matter to people like jon meacham and myself, mike barnicle and others, i guess old

guys and many others. yesterday, sunday, new york times was extraordinary, nothing short of extraordinary. from beginning to back you. we're going to be reading from this, and i'm going to get jon meacham's. opinion on the new york times editorial, the new york times magazine had an extraordinary story. mika on on sex by generation and talking about the lack of it among younger, more isolated americans and how gen x actually is one generation that continues to think sex is okay. sunday business. just an absolutely fascinating profile on a young, up and coming sort of quasi reporter that that we're going to want to get into. of course, their sports section. absolutely fantastic yesterday question that everybody asks in america,

why hasn't the golden retriever ever won the westminster dog show? and we could go on and on. wonderful, wonderful essays, wonderful essays, and of course, shocking news filling the front. but before we do all that, jon meacham, just as we would say in congress, a point of personal privilege, because i did something this weekend that i just had not done in a while, and i went through emails of people who watch the. show and went into the public email file deeply concerned, and did my best to reassure them that what that what we need to do to get through moments like these. quoting everybody from rudyard kipling to martin luther king to james madison. but the new york times, it's just one of these moments. and you know this as a

writer, where people will come up to you and thank you for saying things, writing things that they have felt in their heart and that they have tried to express, but haven't been able to do it as effectively as you have. i think all the things i've been trying to tell people about keeping calm and carrying on and staying focused and staying informed, the new york times handled it wonderfully. and if you'll, you'll give me the privilege of time to read the new york times and what they say, what this moment calls for. don't get distracted. don't get overwhelmed, don't get paralyzed and pulled into the chaos that president trump and his allies are purposefully creating with the volume and speed of executive orders, the efforts to dismantle the federal government, the performative attacks on immigrants, transgender people, and the very

concept of diversity itself, the demands that other countries accept americans as their new overlords, and the dizzying sense that the white. >> house could. >> do or say anything at any moment. all of this is intended to keep the country on its back heel, so president trump can blaze ahead, and his drive for maximum executive power so no one can stop the audacious, ill conceived and frequently illegal agenda being advanced by his administration. for goodness sake, writes the times. don't tune out. the actions of the presidency needs to be tracked, and when they cross moral or legal lines, they need to be challenged boldly and thoughtfully, with the confidence that the nation's systems of checks and balances will prove up to the task. >> there are. >> reasons for concerns on that front, of course. the republican

led congress has so far abdicated its role as a co-equal branch. >> of. >> government from allowing its laws and spending directives to systematically be cast aside, to fearfully ascending to. >> the. >> president's stalking of his cabinet with erratic, unqualified loyalists. much of civil society, from the business community to higher education to parts of the corporate media, has been disturbingly quiet, even acquiescent. but there are encouraging signs as well. the courts the most important check on a president who aims to expand his legally authorized powers and remove any guardrails so far have held, blocking a number of mr. trump's initiatives. states have also taken action. they go on to say that none of this is to say that mr. trump shouldn't have the opportunity to govern. 77 million americans cast ballots

to put mr. trump back in the white house and the republican party, now fully remade in the service of the maga movement, holds majorities in both houses of congress elections, as it is often noted, have consequences. but is this unconstitutional overhaul of the american government? what he campaigned on, and it goes on and on, john. but i find, i find so much of that so important for americans to understand that several things are true at once. donald trump had 77 million people vote for him. the people have spoken. he is president of the united states. republicans control the senate. republicans control the house. they have slim majorities in both, but they do control those. they have a right to move forward and try to pass

legislation that that moves america in the direction where they want it to move, but they cannot redefine unilaterally the powers of the presidency. and j.d. vance's tweet yesterday that courts cannot stop a president's legitimate power. i mean, of course they can't. but it is the courts and not vice presidents. it is william rehnquist and it is warren burger that determined the outlines of a president's authority and not spiro agnew and richard nixon. that is we saw that in nixon v us. i suspect we will see that again soon. but it is important. i, i loved this editorial and i'm wondering what you took from it. >> well. >> i think. >> this is what, for instance,

the federalist papers were drafted for. this is. >> what the. >> if you look at the american. >> founding. >> you see in many ways an imperfect group of men. and they were men trying to create the most perfect system they. >> could. >> all the while knowing that they were going to. >> fail at that. >> but they made the argument that because human nature is sinful and we. >> are fallen and frail and we're fallible, and. >> we want power because. >> you know. >> since the third chapter of genesis, we've been taking instead of giving. and the founders understood that. and as madison said, ambition must be made to counteract ambition. so david french, my neighbor in middle tennessee, wrote a really wonderful piece as well in the in the new york times in.

>> the last. >> 24 hours. >> or so, which i commend to you where. >> and it's not just micah because he quotes the anti-federalist papers, but it was part of the part of the charm. right? what they understood. >> what what. >> the what the founders understood. >> and this is, by the way, isn't this what. conservatives are supposed to be fascinated by. is points like this? >> is that whenever. >> you. give one force, one party, one interest. one man, too much power, then the body politic, and they always use those terms they borrowed from the ancient world body politic, corruption. they words that talked about how important politics were as, as important as our health. right. i mean, that's, that's where the, the metaphorical language comes from. you have to have the balance. and that's. >> what madison's insight was.

>> he borrowed it. it was a theological insight as much as it was. >> a. >> political one. >> the head of what became princeton, a man named john witherspoon. >> who. >> taught many of these figures, was a deep calvinist and understood that most of what we would want to do would be wrong and selfish. and so therefore we were going, as hamilton. >> said. >> by reflection and choice, to create a system where we would check our worst impulses. and the problem, of course, is everybody is against executive power until they have it. but this is an extreme version of that. and of all and of all the and i believe in the keep calm and carry on. absolutely. as we've talked about before, you know, as john belushi. that great political scientist, said, we did not give up when the germans bombed pearl harbor. that said, the thing that is the most troubling to me in the past x number of days was the vice

president weighing in in that. way because it felt to me. >> and i. >> hope, i pray, that i'm wrong. it felt to me as if it might be setting a predicate, a predicate for the kind of showdown that would potentially, potentially break apart this constitutional system of checks and balances. >> well, and there also was a senator, a republican senator, who talked about a, quote, judicial coup. we will. >> of course, to soothe. that senator's. >> jangled nerves later today, be showing mika all of the executive orders. by joe biden. >> that were overturned. >> and, of course, when those executive orders were overturned, no democratic senator came forward talking about a, quote, judicial coup, just like when kamala harris

lost the election. no democratic senator talked about stolen elections. so yes, yes, it seems that what applies to one side maybe isn't thought to apply to another. but that's the thing about the constitution. it applies to everyone. >> all right. >> well, we're going to get more. >> on the administration's reaction to the judge's rulings. but first, let's just lay out what happened here. a federal judge on friday paused the trump administration's midnight deadline to cut u.s. aids workforce by thousands of employees. judge carl nichols, a 2019. trump appointee, issued. >> a restraining. >> order, pausing the administrative leave of more than 2000 agency employees, along with a plan to withdraw nearly. all of its overseas workers within 30 days. he also ordered a temporary reinstatement of 500 agency employees already on leave. the

decision came after federal employee unions filed a motion for a temporary pause on the plan, claiming it violates the constitution. the development in the latest is the latest in the legal a number of legal actions against president trump's executive orders. at least ten lawsuits have been filed in response to president trump's orders on immigration and citizenship. the majority of those are focused on the white house's push to end birthright citizenship. multiple judges have stopped this order from taking effect, including a washington state district judge who was appointed by ronald reagan. he slammed trump's order last week, writing, quote, it has become ever more apparent that to our president, the rule of law is but an impediment to his policy goals. the rule of law is, according to him, something to navigate around or simply ignore, whether that be

for political or personal gain. then there are the issues related to january 6th. two different groups of fbi agents and employees have sued to stop the trump administration from releasing the names of those who worked on the investigations into the insurrection. on friday, the government agreed to withhold the names while the case is ongoing. president trump's attempts to freeze trillions of dollars in federal funding was stopped after both a group of nonprofit organizations and a group of nearly two dozen state attorneys general sued. and most recently, on saturday, a judge ruled that political appointees and special government employees like elon musk and doge should not have access to the treasury department's systems until a lawsuit on the issue is resolved. as the new york times reports, the situation could

pose a fundamental test of america's rule of law. if the administration fails to comply with the emergency order, it is unclear how it might be enforced. the constitution says that a president shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, but courts have rarely been tested by a chief executive who has ignored their orders. and therein lies the rub. joining us now, legal affairs correspondent for the new york times, mattathias schwartz. and you guys have a quick guide to the lawsuits against the trump orders. you've written this piece. i guess it's four categories immigration, budget freezes and firings, transgender rights, january 6th investigators. is there a way to put this in order of, i guess, most dangerous? >> well. >> i. think the big. >> picture here, mika, and. >> thank you for. >> having me this morning.

>> is that the federal courts appear to be. >> the final or. >> last bulwark. >> for this offensive. >> where where donald. >> trump is, is. >> trying to. >> take as much executive power as he as he can for himself. >> and the number. >> of lawsuits, there. are more than 40. >> so far. >> it's going to continue to increase. >> as the president continues. >> to move forward with his agenda. >> now, so. >> far. we have. >> seen, you know, i. >> think more than half a dozen lawsuits on the birthright. citizenship executive. >> order alone, that. executive order seeks. >> to restrict. >> the 14th. amendment's guarantee to. >> birthright citizenship, to. >> take it away from the children. >> of undocumented. >> immigrants. >> to also. >> take it away from the children of some legal immigrants. so that's very important. >> i think. >> when you look at the docket, that's. >> the. >> case, that it's very easy to imagine. >> going up to the supreme court. >> and then, you know, there are many others. you know. >> you. said earlier. >> the judges. >> have. >> ordered a variety of.

>> president trump's actions to be stopped, but that doesn't. >> really answer the. >> question of. >> whether they're. >> actually going to stop. and we're already seeing some early indications as of now, already, that the administration is not complying with with. orders from federal judges. >> we are seeing. that in a. >> rhode island case. >> about the $3. >> trillion budget freeze. >> and i can give you. >> a couple. >> other. >> examples as well. >> usaid, for example. >> that agency has been completely gutted. >> so a judge says give. >> the people back their jobs, open the office back up. is the. >> administration going to do that? >> how long is it. >> going. >> to take? >> are they going to drag their heels? >> are we. >> going. >> to see contempt orders from judges? that would be a real rubicon. so yeah, it's a pretty, pretty unprecedented situation. not completely unprecedented. we have seen presidents ignore orders from. >> courts before, but usually. >> it's in a far more limited way. and during. >> wartime. >> so much time is. >> the assumption. that donald trump. >> is deliberately. >> setting up. >> some kind of situation where. >> one of these cases. >> ends up. >> in the supreme court.

>> and he. >> is counting on. >> the fact that. >> he has a. >> court that is. >> friendly to him. >> and he would win. >> in. >> that court, or. >> is there then. a counterargument. that actually the court is going to look at the very number. >> of. >> things that donald trump is trying to. >> do and say, well, actually, because he's trying to. >> do so many, it's clear. >> that. >> what he's trying to do is. >> expand the executive's power rather than. >> try and get each. one of these individual cases through. >> so how. >> do we have a. >> sense of. >> how the of. >> the court would respond? >> i guess. >> it's a. >> great question. i can't. >> predict what the supreme. >> court's going to do. i can't speak to president trump's intent. i will say that we. >> saw with trump v usa. >> that the court. does show a lot of deference to executive power. this court. in particular, i think if i, if i if i had to guess it's a total guess, president trump would probably make, you know, get this court to overturn some big precedents. we saw their willingness to do this with dobbs, but he would not get everything he wanted. and i think there's a bigger question

here. if he received a. >> judicial order from. >> chief justice john roberts, calling one of his white house's actions unconstitutional, would he obey that order? because when i read j.d. vance's tweet yesterday, vice president vance's tweet yesterday saying that only the executive has the authority, only the judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. >> that seems to hint. >> at the possibility that he might not. and that would be. >> a. >> far. >> far graver and more dangerous scenario to our constitutional order than than simply the supreme court overturning some big precedents, expanding executive power, which itself, in normal times would be a very big deal. but there's an even larger, you know, worry looming on the horizon. and it's in that tweet. >> yeah. it is. legal affairs correspondent for the new york times, mattathias schwartz, thank you so much for this piece and for coming on the show this morning. so we mentioned the reaction from the right to the

ruling against elon musk and d.o.j. musk slammed the judge, calling him corrupt and writing on social media that he needs to be impeached. he even floated a new idea that the quote unquote worst 1% of appointed judges should be fired every year. that post has received almost 300,000 likes. vice president jd vance also chimed in on social media. the yale law school graduate argued, quote, judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. and senator mike lee of utah, who also went to law school, posted about the decision multiple times. from his personal account, he wrote that he agreed with the vice president's position, calling it 100% accurate. he also called the ruling a judicial coup. so, joe, there does seem to be kind

of a lead up to something majorly unprecedented, and that will require a lot of questions as to what the next step is. but let's keep. >> it right here. >> for now. the. >> the tweet though was circular. >> no. >> it made no. it made no sense. and it made no sense because the legitimate powers of the president of the united states is not determined by the president of the united states or the vice president of the. take that down. >> well. >> the vice president of the united states. no, no, no, no, listen. >> to me. >> listen, listen, you need to understand. everybody needs to understand. in reading this, it is the supreme court of the united states who determines what the legitimate power of the president is, of the vice president is of what congress is. that is the way it has been since john marshall was the first supreme court justice.

this is trolling. and i will say and we will give examples for mike lee, who also went to law school, to say this is a, quote, judicial. this is all planned. this is they they decided they were going to do these things that pushed the boundary of the law that went over the line. this is all planned because let me tell you something again. we're going to show you a list of presidential actions that were enjoined, stopped, overturned during the biden administration. and we could go back and do the same thing during the bush administration, during the clinton administration. this is how things are. so when you say a court cannot stop a president from doing what's in its legitimate power to do, well, yes, of course that's true. but it is the court that determines the contours of that power. it's

that simple. let's bring in our conservative attorney, george conway. george, remarkable that these people went to law school. but but i want you to just talk just in general. and we're going to go through again just to show all the times joe biden's executive orders were either enjoined or overturned. but this happens, right? presidents do executive orders at the beginning of the term, not not to this degree, not not pushing the boundaries as much, perhaps, as president trump has done. but this happens. there are challenges. some things get through, some things don't. but you don't have a vice president. i guess spiro agnew probably did, but you don't have a vice president going out there going, oh, the court can't do this. they can't stop our legitimate power. when, of course, again, the supreme court determines

what the executive branch is. legitimate powers are and what they are not, and it has been that way for 240 years, has it not? yeah, absolutely. >> and, you know, j.d. vance is an embarrassment to the. law school. >> that i attended. >> but the fact of the matter. >> is, he's telling us. >> something that we should have already known. >> and last. >> week i said it. >> they are not. >> going to obey court orders. >> they have. >> decided that they. are going to push the. >> boundaries on. >> executive power. >> by basically. >> infringing on the article one, article one. >> power of. >> congress. >> and they are. >> violating statutory. >> they're writing the constitution, the text of the constitution. >> in. >> the in the birthright citizenship issue. they are violating the text. >> of statutes. >> by having those run around and do. >> all the. >> things that we've been doing. >> the executive orders. >> there's no. >> reason that this. government that has decided. not to obey the. >> the laws. >> and the constitution. >> of the united states is.

>> going to. >> obey a court order. and as. >> you know, joe, having. >> practiced law. >> there's only there's really only. >> one way that courts can enforce their orders. when somebody is being. contumacious and refusing. >> to. >> obey an order. >> and that's. >> to send the us marshals. >> out. >> to take somebody. >> in and to hold them in contempt or to otherwise. >> enforce court orders. >> well, who does the us marshal service work for? the us. marshals service is part of the united states department of justice. it reports to donald j. trump. and what's going to happen here, mark my words, is that at some. point. they are going. >> to basically. >> tell the united. >> states marshals. >> service, do. not enforce any. >> of these orders. >> we will not obey them. >> and you are not to enforce them. >> and once that. >> happens. >> i mean, i hope it doesn't happen, but. i know in. >> my heart that. >> it will. >> our 236. >> year experiment. >> in the. >> federal rule of law. >> in democratic self-governance for the united states of america, in american constitutionalism is essentially

over. >> yeah. let's just take a look for to joe's point here, president biden signed 162 executive orders during his term in office, several of which were also blocked by federal judges. one of his first orders, created by, created a 100 day deportation ban ban, but that was suspended by a judge in texas who claimed the order could cause the state imminent and irreparable harm. six months later, a federal judge in louisiana granted a preliminary injunction against the biden administration's suspension of new oil and gas leases on federal land. biden's vaccine mandate for federal contractors was blocked by a u.s. district court judge in georgia. in 2022, a louisiana judge stopped the biden administration from lifting title 42, a public health order aimed at stopping the spread of communicable diseases, but was used to expel

migrants at the southern border. the judge ruled the order violated administrative law. two months later, president biden was told he could not enforce his executive order protecting the lgbtq community from discrimination in schools and the workplace. then, in august of 2022, a texas court ruled against the white house's requirement for hospitals to provide emergency abortions regardless of a state's ban on the procedure. this past fall, a federal judge in missouri temporarily blocked the white house's student debt forgiveness plan. biden's executive order shielding undocumented immigrants who are married to u.s. citizens from deportation, was struck down by a federal judge in texas. and at the very end of last year, a judge ruled the biden administration has to stop selling unused border wall

materials. so sam stein. to joe and george conway's point, i mean, you know, the biden administration accepted when the courts pushed back. but we're in a situation here where one can surmise very carefully that there may not be a similar situation. >> right. >> my favorite one of those actually. >> took place in. >> november of 2021. >> when a. relatively obscure judge stopped. >> the biden administration's. >> vaccine mandate. >> for health care workers. >> that judge was aileen cannon. she ended up being canonized. >> pardon the. >> word for. >> for. >> her act. >> and she's now. >> a judicial. >> star in conservative ranks. >> so it does happen regularly. the biden administration. >> respected it. >> it was. part of. >> our systems of checks. >> and balances. >> and j.d. vance's. >> tweet suggesting otherwise. >> is plainly reckless. >> now, i'm. not going. >> to go. >> to the. >> levels that georgia is,

although i respect that. where he says it's very well possible. that they end up. >> doing this. my mind is in this. >> place where they. >> are using this. as sort of an effort. >> to. >> move the overton. >> window. >> and in fact. >> overnight. >> we did. >> have some. >> process or progress, i should. >> say. >> in this case involving the treasury. >> department and. >> whether and who has access. to those. payment systems. >> and they. >> are in a negotiated. settlement to try to figure out if they can. >> figure out. >> a more diplomatic solution to this than just. disregarding the republic. >> right. >> and hopefully that is. >> the case. >> i mean, hopefully. >> we end up in a place where we do this by the book. >> i do think george is right, though, to warn that we are. >> dealing with a set. >> of characters who, frankly. >> don't have that much. >> respect for the book. >> and are fine disregarding it if it. >> suits their. >> their ends. so it's a scary time. and i think the other thing that we have to note. >> is that it's just the blizzard, the dizzying. >> i think. >> is the word. >> that the. >> times used. >> amount of legal. >> activity here, which. >> does make it so that.

>> if you stop. >> 90% of. >> it in the courts, 10% does go through. >> and i think. >> that's part of. >> what the trump administration is. >> trying to do is just throw. >> everything they can. and if they get. >> 10%, that's still a lot. >> yeah. to sam's point. >> flooding the zone. >> is a deliberate. strategy here from. >> the trump administration. >> their advisers. >> i wrote about this. >> last week. >> they know not. >> everything is going to get through. >> but if. >> enough of it does, that. >> will still. >> be fundamental change. but i'm told. >> there. is growing. >> frustration in. >> the. >> ranks of trump world about some of these judges. >> elon musk. has been. >> tweeting all. >> night about. >> judges and suggesting. that the congress. should impeach. >> some of them. >> so that is something he is really seizing upon right now. george conway talked to. >> us about how. >> that process. would work. >> if you can. >> but also to your point, i'm. >> told that there is some. >> you know. >> it has not been embraced by the. oval office yet, but there is some. >> in trump land who want to indeed. >> have a test case to defy. >> a court. >> order to. >> see what they can get. >> away. >> with, to.

>> dare the. >> judiciary and. >> the. >> rest, to. >> try to stop them. and talk to us. >> about. >> how that. >> would play out. >> what recourse. could democrats. >> the courts. >> the public have? >> the only. >> recourse is. >> to go out. >> on the streets. >> and march. that is the only recourse. the courts have no mechanism to enforce their orders other than through the united states marshals service. and that's through the department of justice, thus through the executive branch. the reason why. >> we obey court orders. >> is because. >> the executive branch complies with. court orders. >> if the executive. >> branch does not comply. >> with court. >> orders and makes a point of saying that we will not comply with court orders, the rule of law. >> as far. >> as the federal government is concerned is over, and that is something we need to start focusing on and discussing, because. that's where these people. >> will go. >> there is no logical stopping point for them. and this is, you

know, the only recourse. will be for people to get out and say, we want the rule. >> of law. >> we want a government. >> that. >> obeys the law. and that's going to require people to go out on the streets, because that is, there is no other alternative. >> george conway, thank you so much for being with us. john meacham, final thoughts. there have obviously been times throughout american history where presidents have been frustrated in matters great and small. at the united states supreme court, of course, richard nixon, even richard nixon immediately. followed the court's decision, and turning over the tapes. one wonders, will the white house actually be so reckless as. >> to. >> throw away 240 years of constitutional republics?

democracy madisonian democracy over an executive order? >> you know. >> the rule of law depends not simply on force, but on a spirit, a spirit that you respect, that in fact, you, the executive, are not the center of the world. and what president nixon did when he faced an eight zero decision that he knew at some level would end his presidency. the first thing he said was, is there any air in it? was there, you know, so, you know, these are human beings, you know, was there any was there any place to move? i think it was alexander haig who told him no. and that set in for that set in motion the last, the final days. but it was because richard nixon had a sense of shame. he had a respect for the

institutions. he had broken the law. he had smashed up some norms. but in the end he followed it because when he lost george wallace in alabama, when the great the famous meeting of the senators comes down and goldwater says, mr. president, i think you have you'll only have about 30 votes. and i'm not sure i'm one of them. he said, okay. and he left because he respected that institution. that's an amorphous, almost spiritual connection to the american experiment as we've understood it. without that no rule, there is no mechanism. this is about us. and the final thing i'd say, joe, and you and i know a lot of these folks is president trump is president in many ways because of about 14 to 15% of folks who are republicans before

maga. and they were the ones who, for a variety of reasons, decided that this was worth this risk. and it may just be that that's the 15%. that's the chamber of commerce folks. right? that's the wall street journal editorial page. it may be rupert murdoch. that may be where this has to be adjudicated informally, but maybe where it has to be decided. and i don't think we're being hyperbolic here, i really don't i think that it would be intellectually irresponsible and almost a dereliction of citizenship to sort of pretend that, oh, you know, andrew jackson did x, so we're going to be fine. i'm not saying that this is this is this is an immense test of american

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deep for devante smith. he has got it. touchdown. >> that's philadelphia eagles quarterback. >> jalen hurts with a perfect 46 yard touchdown pass to devante smith. that made it 34 to nothing. late in the third quarter. the chiefs still had not crossed the midfield point at that point, as the eagles defense smothered quarterback patrick mahomes, sacking him for a career high six times and forcing him to commit three turnovers, including this 38 yard pick six in the second quarter. >> intercepted. >> meanwhile, philly qb jalen

hurts threw for two touchdowns and ran for a score to earn this game's mvp honors. as the eagles denied the chiefs their historic super bowl three peat with a dominating 40 to 22 victory. let's bring in pablo torre. he's back with us. mike barnicle here as well. and a gloating a gloating jonathan lemire and an ali vitali, who's a new york giants fan who lives in washington and doesn't know exactly what she thinks about the outcome of this game. so, so, pablo, so many stats here that that are so shocking. i've got to say though, the one that we highlighted at the top of the segment for me is, is the one most stunning, which is the eagles were ahead 34 to nothing before the chiefs even crossed midfield. >> yeah. the score that you'll see in the paper this morning. >> speaking of print. >> media, not. >> reflective of. >> what. >> this was. >> actually like for. >> those of us who sat. >> there. >> and watched all of it. and

joe, look, i got this one wrong. i think that in this on this day in particular, it's important to point out transparently where you. got something wrong. i did not see the eagles getting whatever they wanted. >> however they wanted. >> against the chiefs. and in. >> part. >> in part. >> i want to talk about the quarterbacks. >> here because jalen hurts is. not he was. >> not supposed. >> to be the guy who looked this confident. under pressure. that's mahomes. and so to me like what do we take away from this game. what's different about how we talk about these teams going forward? we talk about the nfl more than anything else in in our culture. now, we can say that patrick mahomes has choked. you know, we can say one of the harshest things we can say about. >> a player. >> which is that he. collapsed under pressure, literally, figuratively. >> no, no no, no, no, it's kind of hard, pablo. i mean, mike, it's hard to say that somebody chokes when they don't even have time to set their feet. you know, it's interesting, tom brady said. you can tell how

once you can tell how uncomfortable patrick mahomes is, because look at his footwork. look at his footwork. he had 3 or 4 linemen at all times that weigh over 300 pounds, crashing in on him. he never had time to really get set in the pocket. well. >> i mean. >> that's that's. >> the story, i think of what happened yesterday and it happened early on and it happened consistently throughout. >> the game. >> patrick mahomes. >> offensive line could not protect him. >> they could not keep people away. >> from him. >> he was. >> getting crushed. >> from two minutes into that game. >> and by the way, mike, even that interception, even that interception by the goal line, that happened because the defensive lineman pushed an offensive line. and look at this into mahomes threw it off. so he didn't throw a bad pass there. he he was he he he had a lineman pushed into him. it was that way for him all night. which i've got to say just remarkable. i didn't see this coming. and certainly you know jalen hurts

his performance. you have to also put that in part on barkley because you can tell they focused on stopping barkley. and in doing that they left a lot of people open. yeah. spags the defensive coach for the chiefs. >> clearly concentrated on. that stopping barkley. and he stopped barkley because they. stopped giving the ball to barkley. >> but if. >> you do a forensic. >> autopsy on. >> the. >> chiefs season, they had. >> a very good record. but it was a hard earned record. they won a lot of games in the. >> last minute because. >> of patrick mahomes. and the big difference again we reflect back on it looking we know what happened. they could. >> not protect. >> patrick mahomes yesterday. >> and they. >> were. >> going to lose. >> and they did. >> hey pablo this. >> this game reminded. >> me of. >> my youth. >> the super bowls of. >> the early 90s. >> or late. 80s where it was just blow out after. >> blow out. and. >> you know, people got accustomed to good super bowls. but i grew up in. >> the era. >> of bad. >> super bowls. >> yeah.

>> i also want to ask, you know, we're so focused on. >> the chiefs. >> and what it meant for them. >> but i. >> do think and. >> this pains. >> me. >> to. >> say because i. >> like. >> ali. >> i'm. >> a giants fan. >> but the eagles. >> team. >> this eagles team was so maligned. and confusing because they seemed to hate each other. they were always arguing on the sidelines. aj brown. >> was reading. books weirdly. >> and like. >> they seemed. >> like they weren't having fun. >> but if. >> you look. >> at the record, i mean, i forget what it was. since the. >> bye week. >> they've only had one loss. this was dominant, and i don't want to say they're in the pantheon of great teams, but i'm curious where you would put them because i still don't think they're getting respect. right. like they. just destroyed. >> the chiefs and we're just sort of focused. >> on mahomes. but what about the eagles? >> yeah. >> look you. >> i will. >> say i'll move. i'll move my. analysis from. >> absolutely. trying to. >> psychoanalyze patrick mahomes. and his lack. of clutch. >> gene to why the eagles look this way. and sam you raise a great point. the eagles defense is. >> the best. >> defense in the league this

year. >> this is a team that has been. >> to two super. >> bowls now in. >> less than a decade. >> this is. >> a team. >> also to your larger. >> observation that seemed to want to fire the guy who. >> just won them. >> the super bowl. right. so nick sirianni being this unlikable character who came in unlikable, his press conference famously infamously uncharismatic during. >> the. >> season, he was arguing with the fan base, which. is a dangerous fan base to argue with. we all saw that on broad street last night. watched the police scanner tape listen to it as well. it was a team that was eating itself from the inside. aj brown didn't appreciate jalen hurts passing. that's true. aj brown was reading a book on leadership in the most unsubtle display of academic scholarship, maybe in recent sports history. but what that defense did, and this is where i credit joe. your observation. they only needed to. >> rush four. >> up front. >> they didn't. >> need to blitz. >> it was just an enormous

series of bodies pushing a by the way, the chiefs, right. the chiefs o-line, they had gotten away with some stuff all year. 15 straight one score games. >> the barnacle statistic. >> that's how many they won. >> and so. >> when it collapses like this. >> you get. >> texts like you got from jonathan lemire saying, i was telling you this all year. >> it was. >> sorcery and officiating and corruption all the way to the top. >> i have to say, i wonder, pablo, if lemire was sending you this tweet from nick foles where he talks about the fact that brady was able to see two eagles wins here, wondering openly if he's some kind of a good luck charm. i mean, did you steal foles account here? i mean it feels like this is perfect for you right now. >> i had. >> nothing to do. >> with that i i'm still not over any of those losses. but no let's. >> give. >> credit here. also i want to go back to saquon barkley for a

second. who was their best player all year long? >> yes. his running rushing stats were modest. last night he did catch some balls. >> out of the backfield. >> the chiefs are known. >> to. >> blitz steve spagnola. >> that's his. >> whole m.o. and barkley staying in the backfield. picked up a number. >> of run blitzes. >> that he was. >> as a running back. >> picked up these blitzes. >> coming. >> in, allowing. >> hurts to have. >> time to. make the read. >> let's remember, hurts was. >> great in the super bowl. >> two years ago when they lost to the chiefs. that wasn't his fault. >> he played. >> really well. >> and he. played extremely well last night as well. but but but pablo, i think the mvp. it would be nice if they could just recognize. >> a unit because it would. >> be just. >> the eagles defense. >> that they, as. >> joe just said. >> i heard him chime in in the background there. the eagles. did not. >> blitz once. >> they didn't have to. >> their four. >> man defensive front. >> just outmuscled the eagles offensive. >> line all year long. mahomes did. >> make some bad reads. some of this was on him, but other moments he didn't have. any time whatsoever. >> they were. by far. >> the best unit on. >> the. >> field. >> and it does feel. >> like for. >> the.

>> chiefs. >> there's a. >> lot of questions. >> about travis kelce. >> future. maybe. >> just maybe. not saying. >> it's. >> an end. >> of an era. >> mahomes and reid. >> are. >> still there. >> but a bit of a reset. >> for. >> that franchise. >> but you do get. now what you. didn't have before. >> you have now heading into next season, which is the possibility of a. >> chiefs team, which has. >> now been to, again, a. zillion afc title games and super. >> bowls, feeling. >> like they get to be the underdog again. >> that's the kind of game we saw. we saw. >> them being bullied. we saw them being bullied. and by the way, if you want to know what jonathan lemire was thinking, you could have just listened to tom brady stifle. his true feelings. calling this game. it's just it's a surreal thing, okay? when you have the worst game of your life, as patrick mahomes did, that first half was truly when i say they were like the jets, it's like i was watching. the new york jets. for at least that first half. >> okay. >> and to have that, i'm just saying when you have that called by the greatest to. >> ever. >> do it, as lemire will tell you, who was quietly, quietly just enjoying all of.

>> this. >> watching the bigger picture contest be settled in his favor. it's just a surreal kind of a kind of a thing. >> the chiefs were not bullied. they were beat. mike. yes. >> let's get back to reality, okay? >> okay. >> pitchers and catchers report. >> oh, boy. >> okay, pablo. >> tory finds out on pablo. thank you very much. good to see you. come back soon. coming up, an aid program responsible for saving more than 25 million lives around the world is at risk this morning as president trump continues to shutter u.s. aid. we'll talk about how the president's policies are impacting public health. straight ahead on morning joe. straight ahead on morning joe. we're back in just hey guys. there's a change in the air. - two changes. - two changes. ♪♪ the three-row luxury tx. because everyone should feel like the center of the universe. ♪♪

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you out? my sweater is. >> on backwards. >> welcome back. top of the hour to morning joe. it is monday. monday, everybody. february 10th. it's good to have you all here with us. jonathan lemire, katty kay and mike barnicle still with us. and joining the conversation we have who's with us? anybody? joe and me. so we'll start with our top story. rev al is joining us as well. a federal judge on friday paused the trump administration's midnight deadline to cut u.s. aids workforce by thousands of employees. judge carl nichols, a

2019 trump appointee, issued a restraining order, pausing the administrative leave of more than 2000 agency employees, along with a plan to withdraw nearly all of its overseas workers within 30 days. he also ordered a temporary reinstatement of 500 agency employees already on leave. the reaction from the right to the ruling was swift, including from the vice president himself. j.d. vance, writing on social media, quote, judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. joining us now, democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. she serves on the judiciary and rules committee. senator, very good to have you on board. would you like to react to the vice president's tweet? >> you know, i he knows better. there are three equal branches of government in this country. and it is clear. that the judges

have started stepping. >> in, as you could see. >> and i just look at this as we lead this fight. we've lead it through the courts. >> we lead. >> it with the congress, and we lead it with our constituents by our side. >> and yes. >> some of these completely unconstitutional things. that they have attempted have been stopped, including by a trump appointed judge. the freeze was stopped, at least temporarily, as it moves forward. elon musk getting access to people's private data, social security numbers was stopped. and our job right now with the state ags, the democratic attorney generals, the democratic governors across the country is to lead this fight. but it was unbelievable to me that just on friday, we find out they're going to actually start cutting the funding on cancer trials. i don't think it gets more mean spirited than this. and you ask why they're doing it. well, they're about to launch their. case to literally give over $2

trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest. i'm not talking here about the middle class tax cuts. i'm talking about the ones for the wealthiest. so they're looking for money anywhere they can find it, whether it be head start or cancer trials. >> it is. >> it is so. >> shocking when you look at, you know, funding for cancer research, funding for other research, that the nih has done remarkable work through the years, even as a small government conservative that worked with other small government conservatives, balancing the budget four years in a row, we still understood there were some programs that were absolutely vital. and that includes many of these programs. i am curious, you you've worked with jd vance, but you also work with mike lee, a man who i've known for quite some time. and in years past, we talked a good

bit and had a good relationship with him. you said that j.d. vance knows better. well, mike lee knows better. he he was tweeting, i think, about a coup, a coup, a judicial coup when he knows, just like, you know, just like i know, just like now our viewers know that this happens in every presidency. we last hour, we went through numerous joe biden executive orders that were enjoined, that were stopped by district court judges across america. it happens. and nobody then called it a judicial coup. >> i just. >> keep when. >> i step back and look at this, i think, what would mike lee be saying if some major democratic donor, wealthy person came in

and just started mucking around in people's data? he is doing this. elon musk is doing this at the behest of the president of the united states. and so many of these things are illegal. here's what's weird about this. they control both houses of congress and the presidency. and mike lee well knows that if they want to do this right, there is a way they can go in. they can decide, even though this cancer research is going on in red states and blue states and purple states, they can go in and cut that from the budget. i don't think they'll want to do that because they understand that every dollar they put in nih brings out $2 in economic activity. but as you note, they can do this the right way and they can pass a budget and they can give their tax cuts to the wealthy if that's what they want. and we will do everything to fight it and to make the case to our constituents and to the american people. but why they have to pretend that this is a coup when the courts have every right to enforce the law? at

that inauguration, i made that point. we have that inauguration in the capitol for a reason, not at a presidential palace like they do in some countries. and we have the supreme court there for a reason, because it is a clear, clear message to america that we have three equal branches of government in this country. they are messing around with this. and both mike lee and jd vance are students of the constitution, and they know it's wrong. but again, they are doing this at the behest of one donald trump. and it's our job in congress to stand up to it. >> so, senator, i was wondering. >> what you're. >> hearing from. >> voters in minnesota. because it's interesting to see. >> the opinion. polls since donald trump has been inaugurated. >> the fact. >> that. >> he has an approval rating higher. >> than he ever. >> had during his first term in office. >> the polls. >> suggesting that actually, the american people like. >> what. >> they're seeing from elon musk. >> and doge. what are you. >> hearing from. >> minnesotans and what do you think it would. >> take to. >> happen here in washington for.

>> people in minnesota. to become a. concerned about. >> some of the changes that are taking place in their federal government? >> well, every day when i wake up, i think have costs gone down. look at egg prices. they have not gone down. this is a big reason why americans voted for donald trump. they wanted change. they were tired of the status quo. and we're ready to work with them on things like bringing housing costs down or childcare costs down, or doing something about health care. but instead what we're seeing is chaos. and so what i'm starting to hear from my constituents, especially when they start to think, oh, this is, you know, my niece, i got one yesterday. my niece, she has three kids and she's barely holding in there because of a cancer trial that's improving her condition, and she doesn't know if that's going to continue anymore, or someone not knowing if they can bring their kids to child care. that's what's happening right now. and i don't think you can expect that people are going to say

overnight what's what's going on here. but i do think what you see is that i have there has never been this many calls to our office. it broke the phone lines, emails coming in all the time. and that's what's starting to stir the hearts of americans. they want to change. they wanted to bring costs down. that's not what's happening right now. it is pure chaos. >> well, i wonder, though, i mean, you've answered part of this question. your phones are ringing off the hook. but two things here. when will the consequences of this really become clear to the american people, to the point where they see something is going wrong? that's number one, because so far i've heard the only recourse is marching. and i don't necessarily think that ends well. who knows? >> i don't actually. what i think. i actually think that there's three parts of this. one is courts, one is congress and one is our constituents. and these cases are brought by democratic attorney generals and

others throughout our country. and they're based on what joe is bringing up early. they're based on the constitution and what our founding fathers set forth as our form of government. this is not a dictatorship, and there's ways for him to work on the budget, work on reform, bring government efficiency than what they're doing. secondly, you've got oversight in congress. you've got these hearings where we're getting them on the record and our constituents. yeah, they're calling. that's important. but i keep telling them, send us emails. those emails actually are part of the record. if they're consenting. like you allow us to tell their stories. it's part of the record that people, the ag's are bringing cases and they're showing. >> i hear. >> you, this is the harm that real people are feeling. it's not just marching. it's actually a strategy. go ahead. >> i hear you. but we're potentially dealing with, according so far to what we've seen. and by the way, i'm, you know, not opposed to thinking it

might be trolling, but we have to consider if the courts make a ruling and the administration decides to run over the courts, what then? what can congress do? you say it's our job in congress to stand up to it. >> there's two major functions here. one is the oversight of what they're doing. right. and one of the things that we haven't even talked about is that our republican colleagues have been acquiescing in all of this. i know this i've seen a few of them stand up from time to time. maybe they'll stand up to cancer trials being cut. watch for it. maybe they'll stand up to kash patel, which they sure better do, as this man, who has shown no regard for the truth, is about to become head of the fbi unless they stand up for it. but they have to stand up here to make this really work. then you have oversight, and you can also pass legislation to make very clear what the limits are on this

power. but that being said, i still believe the courts have power. i still believe if this comes up through the court system, you can already see the effects. they stopped the freeze on the funds. they stopped them from getting the treasury data. they would be personally, personally liable in points for violating these laws. and so i don't care what in turn that, you know, he brings in that elon musk brings in or someone that is not doesn't even have the necessary security clearances. at some point. they are responsible for what they do. so i will not concede that what the courts say doesn't matter. i think it does matter. >> well, and as you said, what the united states senate does and the house does matter, a congressional oversight matters. all of this matters more than a handful of tweets. we will wait and see what happens next. but democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota, thank you so much.

greatly appreciate it. and as the senator indicated. thank you. there are some lawmakers voicing concerns that elon musk and his department of government efficiency are putting the country at risk with its federal with its takeover of federal it systems. that's according to reporting from axios. the news comes as wired reports that one member of musk's team has a connection to a telegram based cyber attack group, and bloomberg reports the same person was fired from a cybersecurity internship for leaking company secrets to a competitor. the concerns mount as doge has gained or is eyeing access to crucial federal systems at the treasury and energy departments, as well as social security and medicare. meanwhile, doj's infiltration of the department of education is continuing as members of the team have gained administrator email accounts. nbc news has verified 222 year old members have gained administrative level status in the department's email system, potentially allowing them to access sensitive information, personal information three education

department employees say it's highly unusual for non department officials to get that form of access. and as democrats call for musk to testify over sweeping actions before the house oversight committee, the panel's chairman is saying there is no need. >> are you. >> scared of having elon musk. >> before the committee? >> absolutely not. you know, elon. >> musk is. being very transparent. he's tweeting multiple times a. day about what what thoughts he's having. >> different aspects. >> of the federal government. he's he's. examining and things like that. and i think. >> as long. >> as he's being being transparent. i think that, you know, that eliminates a big part of what the oversight committee. >> is about. >> well, actually, it's just the opposite. he's not being transparent. with all due respect to the chairman, it is the lack of transparency. and it seems the sort of shoot first, ask questions later approach to the technical side of this. that's at least causing me

concern again, as i think as a senator said, you know, these are policies that certainly should play out constitutionally. congress. if republicans like congressman want to cut cancer funding research for cancer funding, you do that pepfar. they can do that. there's a way to do that. but you set 19, 20, 21, 22 year olds off to go inside and get into america's government and, and computer systems. you obviously set up possibly some vulnerabilities. now, we don't know the specifics because there is not transparency. we don't know what's going day in and day out. and it certainly would be, i think, reassuring to a lot of people. i would hope republicans, independents and democrats alike to know exactly what's happening, what they're doing, why they're doing it, what the end goal is, and if, in

fact, they're taking steps to make sure that america's information, its most sensitive information is being protected in this, in this process, let's bring in nbc news national security editor david rohde. he's the author of the book where tyranny begins the justice department, the fbi, the war on democracy, and also with us, the president of the national action network and the host of msnbc's politics nation, reverend al sharpton. gentlemen, thank you both for being with us. david, you know, this has been my biggest concern. again, we can have the debates on u.s. aid, on the department of education, on on how we trim the federal workforce. this is something that conservatives have wanted to do for decades. that is not a shock. what i'm concerned about, and i know a lot of people are concerned about, are the possibilities of people going in, opening up our it systems, our government, it systems, and exposing them to hacking from

china, from russia, from from non-state actors that wish the united states ill. what can you what can you tell us? can you give us any information on what you know, what we all should know about what they're doing and if they are, in fact, taking those safeguards that will keep china away from america's most sensitive secrets. >> the honest answer is i can't. >> a defining. characteristic of. >> which is how secret it is. and that's what's so concerning and unprecedented about this. if george soros was sending. 22 year olds into different federal departments and having them, you know. >> take over. >> accounts and having control over all this access to hue and cry from republicans would be enormous. so that's what's so unusual. my colleague laura strickler wrote a story about this last week. we just don't know what actually these doj's people are doing. and as senator klobuchar mentioned, there's a way to do this. presidents come into office, they present a

budget. they have legislation. obamacare is then voted on by congress. >> and that's how. >> normally an administration brings out changes like this. but that's not happening here. it's the level of secrecy. i'm a journalist. i love transparency, but the secrecy is what's so unusual. and yes, lastly, with china salt typhoon, this recent hack of major american telecommunications companies, we have a huge problem. with securing our data from foreign rivals here. so it is concerning again what's going on in these departments in terms of national security. >> so, david, in terms of national security, do we have any idea, any idea at all what stats, what data is being taken from from the computers, from the buildings by these 19 and 22 year old assistants working for doge? do we have any idea? >> we don't. i mean, we have elon musk's, you know, tweets and that's it. and that's not, at least again, i'm a journalist. i'm used to hearings and testimony and reports and

all these sort of things. just having, you know, the world's wealthiest man have tweets about what's going on is what's so unusual here. so we really don't know what's happening. and then at the same time, look, it's a playbook. they're going after foreign aid. not many americans really care about it. they're going after the department of education that's been attacked for years. and they're changing the conversation. one of musk's goals is to reduce the federal workforce by 10%. that would save about $10 billion. the federal deficit is $1.9 trillion. so getting rid of u.s. aid, getting rid of the department of education isn't solving the broader problem of the deficit. that requires really hard choices. you've got to cut defense spending, medicaid, and social security. so it's very strong. and bluntly, it's a smart political strategy. you're keeping the conversation about foreign aid, but it's not achieving the broader goal. >> nbc's david rohde, thank you very much for your analysis this morning. and, rev, i want to point to a piece in the new york times that looks into another

angle as to what's going on here, what many see as an identity crisis. the democratic party is facing about identity politics. reporter shane goldmacher writes this democrats are grappling with how to stand up for diversity and defend marginalized groups that have come under assault from the white house without allowing their party to be defined or marginalized by those fights. president trump has pushed to make dei a dirty word, racing to unravel diversity programs across the federal government at a remarkable speed. but democrats are struggling to marshal an effective response. they are debating publicly and privately when to push back, how to push back, and what exactly to push back on. some are saying that almost no instances of discrimination, especially rank racism, should go unanswered. others are pressing the party to

be more selective and engage only in cultural battles that are winnable. and still others are urging the party to avoid identity politics altogether. even when republicans seem to be opening themselves up to a fierce counterattack. and so my question to you, rev, is where do you stand on this? some say some of these fights are for another day as we're in complete crisis. >> i think that what the democratic party has to do and the leadership of the party is a stand for something and not try to be all things to all people. and when i read the article, i think that's the debate. either you're going to say that we are for diversity and diversity, meaning blacks and women and lgbtq and disabled. don't let them interpret what it is that we stand for, that we stand for good policing, but we don't stand for defund the police. you have to have enough nerve and

enough backbone to say, define who you are and why you are, rather than be defined by your enemies. and i think that too often the democrats have allowed their opposition to define them, and they accept the definition. so they they are defined as extremists. and you all are about defund the police and you're all about anarchy. and they become defensive rather than they set the tone. you're dealing with a president that has saluted the worst division in this country. that said, it was fine. people that were saying jews will not replace us. that's now talking about why we are talking about by excluding and deporting people to mexico, saying that whites are being oppressed in south africa and they're welcome to be refugees here, why aren't the democrats explaining? here's a man saying whites are being oppressed. bring them in. we have room for them. we have room for canada, room for greenland. but mexicans

and haitians go out. democrats need to be dancing all over that. otherwise they're going to end up like patrick mahomes going home without the win. >> i want to read to you just to get a little deeper on this. what brianna wu, a transgender woman and democratic strategist who ran for congress in 2018. here's what here's what we're hearing from brianna, who for years has been pushing for an extreme view of transgender rights. she blamed party leaders for embracing positions like around participation in girls sports that turn off voters, and said this aided republican efforts to roll back transgender rights more broadly. quote, it doesn't help marginalized people to not be able to win elections. the purpose of the democratic party is to win elections. we don't need to be babysitting the emotional state of activists. >> and i think that clearly we,

again, allowed them to define us. i had a mentor who used to say to me, those that define you can confine you. and i think that definition, when they came out with this blitz on transgender, exaggerating the point, there was no pushback saying, no, we're not saying that. we're saying people have rights. so i think that she in many ways says what is true, and that is that we cannot appear reckless in where we're fighting in terms of trying to make people be forced into situations that they do not want to be forced in. if we don't believe in i believe in transgender rights, but i do not believe that should be the lead and defined by the opposition. >> well, and that's exactly how democrats were defined. if you look at the polls that came out afterwards, that's what most americans thought democrats cared the most for, in part because of an ad blitz. but i do want to read you this also from

the article from the times article, revelations about the split in the party and what happened even during the election for party leader. just how far the party is from consensus was apparent during the recent election. for the next chairman of the democratic national committee, which devolved at times into almost a caricature of left wing litmus tests on inclusivity, candidates were asked to pledge to expand transgender representation, add a new muslim caucus, and affirm that racism and misogyny contributed to kamala harris's defeat. last saturday, the departing dnc chairman, jaime harrison, labored to explain the party's dizzyingly complex gender parity provisions. our rules specify that when a we have a gender non-binary candidate or officer, the non-binary individual is counted as neither male nor female, and the remaining six officers must

be gender balanced. republicans gleefully circulated clips of the moment to portray democrats as hopelessly obtuse. reverend al. >> i think that what the democrats have to be careful of is, again, being defined where we are more concerned about checking off boxes, a certain amount of this, a certain amount of that, rather than being clear on what it is we stand for, and have people of all backgrounds rise up to represent that. and the fallout from that is by just saying we have to have 5% of this, 12% of that and not what it stands for, and that these people have merit and speak for the people. the fallout is you end up with people that cannot really do what needs to be done to make the party victorious. sure, we need diversification, but we also need people that are able and qualified to do what

needs to be done. and if we make point b, point a and a point b, we lose every time. and we cannot let those that can make the most noise decide the strategy. let them yell all they want. i remember during the george floyd fight, when many of us were leading the marches and rallying nonviolently and working with the family, there were people that said, we want to burn down minneapolis, and we said, we're not with ■them. yo have to have the nerve to not only stand up to your opposition, you have to have the nerve to stand up to the noise makers in your own side and say, wait a minute, that's not what we're about. >> all right, coming up, one of our next guests argues the united states is helping the ultra rich skirt social responsibility. the atlantic's brian klaus will explain what he calls the rise of the selfish plutocrats. plus, democratic congressman dan goldman of new york will join us to talk about what is shaping up to be a

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president jd vance is making his first scheduled trip abroad since taking office. he is set to attend a two day summit focusing on artificial intelligence in paris and the annual munich security conference in germany. it comes as the trump administration considers its approach to the war in ukraine, and how to counter china's moves on the world stage. the sudanese military is pushing to regain control of the capital from rebel forces. the two sides have been fighting for nearly two years, displacing millions of people and leading to a dire humanitarian situation. the military is calling for diplomatic support from overseas as it seeks to form a new government, and hamas released three more israeli hostages over the weekend in exchange for 183 palestinian prisoners. on

saturday, the terrorist group handed over three very frail looking male civilians. they were paraded through the streets of gaza and forced to speak to a crowd, sparking outrage in israel. the three men had been in captivity for 491 days. this is now the fifth hostage and palestinian prisoner exchange since the cease fire took effect last month. 21 hostages have been freed so far. now, according to local media. the three men released on saturday are now suffering from severe physical and mental deterioration, including malnutrition. the men were reportedly only given a quarter piece of pita bread a day, could only use the bathroom twice a day, and were allowed to shower every few months. we'll be following that. all right. the

effective shutdown of usaid has left millions around the world without much needed hiv treatment. and even though the state department has since issued waivers so some life saving work can continue, there is still much confusion on the ground where the treatment is critically needed. this also leaves the future of pepfar uncertain. while congress reauthorized the hiv relief program last year, it is usaid that executes the plan and runs the logistics. a lot of questions now. joining us now, matthew bartlett, a trump appointee at the state department. during his first term, bartlett helped reauthorize pepfar back in 2018, which president trump signed. matthew. katty kay has the first question for you, katty. >> so. >> matt, you. >> were involved in bartlett. >> in it. >> had wide. bipartisan support.

>> what are members of congress in the republican. party saying about the program? >> because this is. >> one of the. things that made george. >> w bush unbelievably. >> popular in africa. >> democrats have. renewed it. >> president trump himself. you yourself worked on renewing it. >> what are you. >> hearing from. >> republicans on the hill about the state of the program? >> yeah. listen, thanks so much. >> i am. >> a republican. i am a conservative. and there is still bipartisan. >> conservative support. >> for pepfar. but right now, this program, as mika just said, it's in some dangerous. times because of not. >> a lack of support, not. >> a lack of faith, but because of the. >> bureaucracy that. >> has been created by this pause. >> secretary rubio. >> has been a. >> champion. >> and now we're starting to see some republicans poke their heads up. >> yesterday. >> but they're. >> poking their. >> heads up rather than. >> you know. >> shouting from the rooftops. i'm not. >> hearing a. big chorus of. >> people up on capitol occasionally on. >> some of. >> the sunday shows, for example. >> but wouldn't. >> it take. >> more than that to. >> save pepfar? >> wouldn't you need louder.

>> voices in the party? >> oh, absolutely. >> it's going to. >> but, you know, it's been whiplash. the pause went into effect. it was a great thing, as mika just said, that the secretary issued a waiver to allow pepfar to continue on. yesterday you saw mike johnson speak out affirming usaid, saying we need. >> some reforms. >> but we shouldn't do away with it. mike mccaul, a. >> champion of the world's poorest. >> people, spoke out in affirmation. even mike turner said, listen, usaid is not this ball of worms or corruption that we do do some life saving work. so you're right. that's a start. and we need much, much more. >> so just. >> on pepfar itself, what. >> is your. because as mika. >> said, there is some confusion. they're meant to have this waiver. but i've heard that some of the clinics. >> haven't been. >> able to give people. >> the medicines. >> they need. >> can you. give us any. >> examples of. >> what you're. >> hearing from colleagues on the ground about what is actually happening to people? >> yeah. right now, let's. >> remember. >> pepfar is. >> a miracle program. >> 26 million lives. this was started by tom lantos, the only holocaust survivor to ever serve in congress and saying doing

nothing is like when people sit around and watch others being put on trains. and henry hyde, one of the most pro-life conservative members, they came together. they found common ground to reach higher ground. now, flash forward 20 years later, 26 million lives because of the u.s, because of the u.s. taxpayer. but right now, this pause is crippling pepfar. pepfar works hand in hand with usaid, with cdc on the ground. listen, it's complicated. global supply chains. a small group of people are doing amazing things in the name of our country to advance american interests. but right now, that confusion, because of that bureaucracy that was involved in the communications, the pause has really crippled pepfar, and it's truly in jeopardy. these are turbulent times like we've seen none before. >> so, matthew, you're a republican. you're a conservative. you just mentioned several republicans who are actively involved in continuing with pepfar. but how is it that so much of the party, especially in. >> the house and in the senate.

>> seem to be sleepwalking through this criticism, through this critical stage? >> yeah. listen. >> that's a great question, mike. and you know better than. >> anybody. >> you know. you've seen up in new hampshire, some of the town halls, the previous support i've never heard went to a republican event where they said, boy, we should rip poor, poor africans off hiv aids medication. but right now, more than ever, good people need to get together and sort this out. the secretary knows all too well he should get daily, if not hourly, updates on pepfar. get a handle as to what's going on there. if there are egregious uses of usaid that should be stopped. no one is here for inefficiency. i'm not here to defend bureaucracy. but let's remember, you know, joe on friday gave a very passionate speech around the prayer breakfast. people of faith, not just reverend al. you have reverend franklin graham as well. there in the trenches right now. and joe challenged democrats to fight for the lives around the world. i would argue we need conservatives, too, out

there. >> former state department official matthew bartlett, thank you very much for joining us this morning. see you soon. we appreciate it. the trump administration is stacked with america's most wealthy, with the president tapping an unprecedented number of billionaires to help him run the country. our next guest says that historically, the world's ultra rich seem to feel a duty to make sure at least part of their massive wealth went to helping those with less. but now that societal pressure is gone. joining us now, associate professor in global politics at the university college london, brian klaus, the new piece for the atlantic is entitled the rise of the selfish plutocrats. it's also author of the book entitled fluke, chance, chaos, chaos and why everything we do matters, which was just released on paperback. so tell us, if you

can, about the selfish plutocrats and is there truly a trend toward being selfish as opposed to sharing with those in need? >> yeah. so this draws on. >> the work of an economic. >> historian named. guido alfani, who looks back hundreds of years and basically argues that for the last 5 or. >> 600 years, there's. >> been a social. >> contract with the ultra. >> rich in which they. >> have. >> been. expected to do basically two things. one is to invest. >> in public. >> good, and the. >> second is to. >> act sort of like barns. >> of money. so that when a crisis hits, that. >> money can be used. >> to. >> alleviate the crisis and share the wealth among people who need it. >> and what he argues is that this. >> is basically. broken down over time. and if you think. >> about the. >> sort of. >> patrons of the past. >> who. built cathedrals hundreds of years ago. >> a lot. >> of those people. >> are spending their money now on super yachts. >> and so. >> what we have is a shift from public duties to private envy, where. >> the super. >> rich are increasingly. squirreling away their money and not. >> investing when. >> we do have crises. and i

think covid was a great example of this, where the aftermath of a once in a century pandemic. was that the richest people in the in the world got much. >> much richer. >> and the public debt that was accrued. >> from. that was. >> something that. >> crippled social. >> programs into the future. >> brian, i'm fascinated by what you're saying, because there was a time in american history that the wealthy, in many ways, wanted to use their wealth to show that they were humanitarian, that they were cultured, that they were religious, as you said, building cathedrals. and now it's almost like the kind of greed and consumption is what obsesses them. and they want the rest of the masses to admire them. what what happened where we got the shift in what the goal was in this, in how you wanted to be perceived in this country, even if you were not, that you wanted to be perceived as a humanitarian and a philanthropist. and that seems to have changed.

>> yeah. >> you're exactly right. >> so as recently as 1907, j.p. morgan. >> helped as. >> a lender of last resort to the. >> united states. >> there's loads. >> of examples. >> even from. >> the. >> gilded age, with all of its cruelty and inequality, where super rich people did. >> help shoulder. >> the burdens of society. >> i think one. >> of the big shifts that's happened. >> is that the ultra rich. >> now have an escape option. >> and we. >> saw this around the war in ukraine, where, you know, one of the things that was most. >> effective to try. >> to squeeze the. oligarchs around, putin, was to try to make their lives more russian because as russian society collapsed, they just moved to the mediterranean on their. >> yacht. >> and they sent their kids. to western schools. and i think what we have to have, again, is this sense that there's. >> a. >> shared responsibility, that there's not an escape option, that if society collapses, that that needs. >> to affect. >> the billionaires as well, and not just everybody else. and i think that's where the social contract has to demand more of people who have benefited so much from. all the investments that we have. >> in america. >> and around the world to help facilitate those riches being earned after they've been

earned. there's some responsibility that comes with that. and, you know, it's really extraordinary to see the world's richest man cutting money. >> from the world's poorest people, which. >> is what's happening gleefully as he boasts about it on, on social media. >> all right. the new piece is online now for the atlantic contributing writer brian clough. thank you so much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. and coming up, new york city mayor eric adams is responding to rumors he's dropping out of the mayoral race. we'll show you what he's now saying about his bid for reelection. plus, congressman dan goldman of new york joins us along with the candidate he is backing for the job. that exclusive announcement is straight ahead on morning joe. >> shattered my. >> dream of. >> bob and doug. >> you'll be back. emus can't help people. customize and save. hundreds on car.

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but mine has hidden storage and costs $1,000 less. >> dare to compare. >> this presidents. >> day at bob's. >> so i was blown away with all that i've gone through with this journey of this life that i am so blessed to have, who started to stupid rumor that i was stepping down on friday. are you out of your mind? >> that was new york city mayor eric adams, responding to reports that he would be dropping out of the upcoming mayoral race. his comments come as at least eight candidates have announced challenges against him in june's democratic primary. joining us now, democratic congressman dan

goldman of new york. he's a member of the house oversight and homeland security committees. he also served as lead counsel in donald trump's first impeachment. he is joined by new york state senator and new york city mayoral candidate zellnor myrie. good to have you both on board. why don't we start with your announcement this morning? >> yes. we're here. >> i'm very proud. >> to endorse. zellnor for. >> to be the next. >> democratic nominee for mayor. >> in new york city. >> we obviously. >> are. >> facing in this. >> city a number of different. >> crises where that. >> are just not. >> getting the proper attention. >> that they're due. >> zellner is. >> a true visionary. he's someone who is. >> really poised. >> to lead the next. generation of democrats. >> both in new york. >> city as well. >> as the country. >> and he. >> balances the sort of vision, the courage of his. >> convictions, but. >> also the very. >> smart, pragmatic policies

that our city really needs. >> so since you're both lawyers and we'll talk about what's going on with the country and some of the legal challenges ahead and maybe hear from both of you on it. but first, i'd love to hear from the candidate himself. how are you going to break through? there's eight people jumping in and mayor adams not backing down. >> i'm born and raised in the city. would not be who i am if not for new york city. i take the subways every day i live here. i'm a product of the product of the public schools here. both of my parents moved to this country close to 50 years ago. both worked in factories. they came here for opportunity. it's the same reason that most people come here and most people stay here. but that ability to stay in this city, for it to be affordable, for it to be livable, and most importantly, for it to be safe is slipping away for too many of us. and so i plan on talking to as many voters as possible, sharing not just my legislative experience, but my. lived experience as a new yorker. i think people want two things. it's simple. they want to be

able to afford to stay here, and they want the city to be safe. and that's what i plan to do. and that's the kind of mayor that i hope to be. >> right zellnor you and i have talked and you've been up to see us. and let me ask you a question and the congressman a question, do you think because of the legal issues that the mayors and mayor adams, who, you know, i've known for 35 years that if he gets a pardon because there's rumors he's trying to get a pardon, i don't know if that to be true or if he's even had the case put out, which some would say is political. does that help him or hurt him? and does that help your candidacy? >> so i answered first and then pass it to, to the congressman. i don't think that's any person's view of justice, one where you can play to a pardon and then get that. i think people expect the mayor of this city to lead in this moment, and to do so in an uncompromised way. my focus is on talking to as many people as possible about a vision for the future of the city, and right now we are

rudderless. right now we do not have that leadership. and that is why i think that this indictment has been so distracting and hurtful for the city. >> mike zellner now. >> it appears finally there is a credible police commissioner in the department. what are you going to do with the rest of the department? new york city seems to need more police officers. that's one question. the second question in terms of how people live and how they want to live. what are you going to do about the mess. >> that is. >> the city's public schools? >> so i'll start with the second part. you know, i'm a product of public schools. i went to ps 161 in crown heights, went to brooklyn tech for high school, then went on to fordham university. >> smart kids. >> come on now, come on. i went to fordham for undergrad and grad school and then cornell for law school. i would not have been able to go to law school and work at one of the best law firms in the world, if not for my public school education. but i want to propose something that doesn't just deal with the school day. i think we need after school for all. i'm a product of an after school program. it was a place where my

mom, like most new yorkers, didn't get off at 2:30 p.m. she could have some peace of mind that i was in a safe place and that i could grow, and that any pedagogical loss that we've seen over the past couple of years due to covid, we might be able to make that up with some after school programing on public safety. and our police officers. look at what we've had over the past three years for police commissioner's allegations of corruption, $1 billion in overtime. so yes, we need more police officers to help with overtime. we also need to promote them so that we can have more detectives to solve crime. i come in, come from and represent a community where gun violence is all too prevalent, and we have some of the lowest clearance rates for our shootings in the entire country. i want to change that, and i want to lead from the top. >> what do you think of the congestion pricing? donald trump says he wants to get rid of it. so what do you think of that too? >> i'm a commuter through and through. >> i mean, it does work. but the question is what are the consequences of it? so what are your what are your opinions on this. >> so i. >> voted for and supported

congestion pricing in the state legislature. i'm someone who uses our busses and our trains every single day. there is much needed revenue that is coming from congestion pricing, but it's also reducing traffic. it's having the intended effect. and that was some of the purpose here, i think, not just in congestion pricing, but in everything coming from this president. you need a mayor that's willing to stand up to donald trump, someone that is not going to bend the knee. someone that is going to use every tool at our disposal to stand up for vulnerable new yorkers and to stand up for what makes this city great. >> all right. so, congressman, i want to get you to weigh in on what's going on right now with all the different judges making orders to pause these executive orders that whether it's shutting down usaid or the long list right now of judicial pushback, there has been some word from the administration through tweets, i will say, from the vice president, as well as to republican senators saying

that, you know, the courts don't really have the final say alluding to it. what is your take on where this potentially could be going? >> well. >> it's very scary for. >> someone who is. >> a graduate of the best law school in our country to send that tweet. out. denying the. >> rule of law that. >> guides and governs this. >> country, separation. >> of powers. >> that is. >> inherent in our constitution. and to say. >> how dare. >> a judge. >> put any. >> guardrails or restrictions around the executive branch? that is a check and balance from co-equal branches. >> of government. that is. >> the foundation of our government. >> and the judiciary has to stand up to make sure that the laws. >> are followed. >> if donald trump is not going to faithfully execute the. >> laws as the constitution requires him to. >> do. that's why you have a. judiciary and where we will really. >> reach a constitutional. >> crisis is. >> if. >> as he seems. >> to be setting up, the.

>> administration just disregards and. defies court orders. >> our country, our. >> system, 250. >> years has. >> never dealt with that situation. >> since marbury versus. >> madison in 1803. and if that is. >> where we are going. >> that is a. constitutional crisis, the likes of which we have never seen before. >> now, what will what i that's the sort of ultimate where the rubber meets the road. like what happens if we go there? i'm sort of scared to jump ahead of the story here, but since it's been alluded to, what are the guardrails? >> well. >> the guardrails are going to have to be from within the. republican party. i hear a lot of democrats in washington. i hear, what are you doing? >> what are you going to do? >> right. >> well, the reality is, you know, we have some measures that we can take. we have some

strategies. >> there are some things we can do. but the republicans are in the majority. >> in the senate. >> and the house. >> they control what legislation is. >> on the floor. >> they control subpoena power. they control oversight and investigations. ultimately, if. our democracy is going to stand. >> up for and beyond donald trump, it. >> is going to have to come from within the. >> republican party. and people. >> are going to have to say that donald. trump is a. >> billionaire who is. >> entirely narcissistic. >> and. >> selfish, only cares. >> about himself. >> elon musk is the world's. richest man who clearly only cares about himself. >> that is not what our democracy was founded. >> upon. and we're going to need some. >> republicans, frankly. who are willing. >> to lose. >> who are. >> willing to be a liz. >> cheney and say, i will lose my. >> seat. >> to do. >> the right thing by this country, not the right thing by donald trump. >> i haven't. seen it yet. let's

hope. >> democratic congressman dan goldman of new york and the candidate he's endorsing for mayor of new york city, state senator zellnor myrie, thank you both very much for coming on the show this morning. coming up, we'll be joined by president obama's former deputy national security advisor, ben rhodes, who says president trump's policies so far aren't necessarily what he promised on the campaign trail, arguing, quote, this isn't the donald trump america elected plus something he did promise. the president today is set to announce a 25% tariff on steel and aluminum. we'll dig into how that could impact american consumers. we're back in two. >> minutes down. and here we go. consumer cellular uses. >> the same. >> towers as big wireless, but then passes the savings on to you. >> so i get the same. >> fast nationwide. >> coverage if i switch. >> yep. >> for unlimited talk and text >> for unlimited talk and text with reliable coverage and you at bombas

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attorneys general filed a lawsuit. >> and early saturday. >> a judge. >> agreed with them. >> to restrict. elon musk.

>> and. >> his government efficiency team d.o.j, from. accessing treasury department payment and data systems. they said there was a risk of irreparable harm. what do you make of that? >> and does. >> that slow. >> you. >> down on what you want to do? i disagree with it 100%. i think it's crazy. >> president trump has never cared for judges who rule against him, whether it's in civil court, criminal trial or now in his attempts to gut the federal government, courtesy of elon musk. it comes as the vice president, jd vance, says the quiet part out loud, suggesting federal courts aren't allowed to limit the white house's legitimate power. we're going to talk about the ruling that inspired that highly problematic position. and if you didn't stay up late to watch the philadelphia eagles crushed kansas city last night in super bowl 59, denying the chiefs what would have been an historic

three peat. good morning and welcome to morning joe. it is monday, february 10th with us. we have the co-host of our fourth hour, jonathan lemire. he's a contributing writer at the atlantic covering the white house and national politics, u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay, the host of way too early. ali vitali, managing editor at the bulwark, sam stein and rogers chair in the american presidency at vanderbilt university. historian jon meacham. he's an msnbc political analyst. and joe, i was just telling pablo here, my hex worked. yes it did. >> yes it did. >> i'm going to do it every time now. i feel so bad. >> mika? >> pablo. he knows there. i know what she said. on friday, she. she wanted the eagles to win. so she picked the chiefs. >> exactly. >> and we're going to we're going to be talking to pablo a good good bit about the super

bowl. remarkable super bowl last night. just going to do a quick tea. we're going to do a quick tease though with pablo here. because pablo. and then we'll get to you after we get to the news. >> that means keep it short. yeah. okay. >> about j.d. vance saying that they don't have to listen to federal judges, so maybe we'll we'll get to that at the off the top. but just really quickly last night, what a remarkable super bowl in that you have a guy and of course jonathan mayer is was supposed to be off today. but he came back on. today simply simply to say never ever say patrick mahomes is the goat again. but i will tell you, man, he. mahomes turned in one of the worst performances by any quarterback since the 2000 super bowl. by some stats. and listen, i love j.d. hurts. i'm glad he was the mvp, but how? i mean, how do you not also look at that

defensive line that didn't have to blitz one time and they dominated the game. they framed the game. they were as great man as as the steel curtain back in the 1970s. >> yeah. physical dominance joe i mean, this was the most shocking version of this game that i honestly had not imagined a blowout like this. and i heard from lamar all night. obviously. >> i felt. >> like his cosmic powers. >> yes. >> also, what we saw was a very funny thing. as shocking as it was, it was the chiefs looking like the rest of us. it was the mythologically powerful chiefs looking like the. >> jets. >> frankly, in that first half. to your point, it was patrick mahomes as the old version of sam darnold. it was mortality. and at this scale i mean that in terms of the audience, in terms of the way it happened, the beating up of the golden child of mahomes with brady watching,

which we can talk about also in a bit with tom brady there calling the game. it felt it felt kind of shakespearean and hilarious and also surreal. i heard from eagles fans who were, yeah, celebrating in my face because of my pick friday. >> actually. >> it was it was unbelievable. and of course jalen hurts was the mvp. and again i'm so glad. glad for jalen on so many levels. i mean jalen was the guy who kept a screenshot up of their super bowl loss two years ago, and you wondered whether that was effective or not. is the eagles last season had one of the greatest late season collapses after an 11 one start that anybody can remember. they, you know, people talking about them firing, their coach talking. and then jonathan lemire, you know, barkley may not have had an incredible night last night, but because he had such an incredible year and because the chiefs were so focused on stopping barkley last

night, they opened everything up for jalen hurts and the rest of that eagles offense. >> oh, this. >> is good. this is good. oh here we go. >> you are boy. >> you are right. >> no let's give credit. >> first of. >> all credit. >> the eagles. >> defense did a great job stopping saquon barkley. >> who was. >> arguably the best player in the league all year. >> didn't do much at. >> all yesterday. >> caught a few passes. >> but. >> nowhere near his usual standards. but that's. >> about all. >> we can say. the chiefs. >> did right. jalen hurts was terrific. >> came out throwing. >> he also made a bunch of plays with his legs. >> you know to. >> extend leads. >> and i think that. >> the. >> eagles defensive. >> line collectively. >> should have been the mvp. >> as good. >> as hurts was. they harassed. mahomes all night. >> they the. >> chiefs made no. >> attempt to run the ball. they couldn't do it. they had. struggled going into the game anyway. and they forced mahomes into some. >> uncharacteristic terrible place. >> we're seeing one right now. the pick six he committed. he threw two interceptions. >> one. back for a touchdown. he threw. >> a third that was called back. >> for a penalty. correctly. he also fumbled.

>> that set up. >> a chiefs points. >> late in the game. and those turnovers. >> were just backbreaking. >> and yes, i do have. >> to say. >> this, this is. >> now a moment where a. >> brilliant is. >> mahomes is go. let's put the. >> conversation aside. >> at least for now. >> at least. >> for now. >> that tom brady and his three he look he's won. >> seven super. >> bowls lost three. >> but in the three that he lost were one score games all. >> of them. >> mahomes is. >> two losses were blowouts. let's just put. >> this away. >> for the time being. >> that's all. >> i'll say. okay. >> we will do that. and we're going to put the super bowl away for a moment and going to get to the news. but before we do, i just want to say, because i actually care about newspapers and i love newspapers, and i will say there have been years that have passed many years ago where i've gone through a sunday new york times and it just i was

wondering what the editors were thinking when they put it together. i will tell you yesterday, and things like this matter to people like jon meacham and myself, mike barnicle and others, i guess old guys and many others. yesterday, sunday, new york times was extraordinary, nothing short of extraordinary. from beginning to back you. we're going to be reading from this, and i'm going to get jon meacham's. opinion on the new york times editorial, the new york times magazine had an extraordinary story. mika on on sex by generation and talking about the lack of it among younger, more isolated americans and how gen x actually is one generation that continues to think sex is okay. sunday business. just an absolutely fascinating profile on a young, up and coming sort of quasi

reporter that that we're going to want to get into. of course, their sports section. absolutely fantastic yesterday question that everybody asks in america, why hasn't the golden retriever ever won the westminster dog show? and we could go on and on. wonderful, wonderful essays, wonderful essays, and of course, shocking news filling the front. but before we do all that, jon meacham, just as we would say in congress, a point of personal privilege, because i did something this weekend that i just had not done in a while, and i went through emails of people who watched the show and went into the public email file deeply concerned, and did my best to reassure them that what that what we need to do to get through moments like these. quoting everybody from rudyard

kipling to martin luther king to james madison. but the new york times, this is one of these moments. and you know this as a writer, where people will come up to you and thank you for saying things, writing things that they have felt in their heart and that they have tried to express, but haven't been able to do it as effectively as you have. i think all the things i've been trying to tell people about keeping calm and carrying on and staying focused and staying informed, the new york times handled it wonderfully. and if you'll, you'll give me the privilege of time to read the new york times and what they say, what this moment calls for. don't get distracted. don't get overwhelmed, don't get paralyzed and pulled into the chaos that president trump and his allies are purposefully creating with the volume and speed of

executive orders, the efforts to dismantle the federal government, the performative attacks on immigrants, transgender people, and the very concept of diversity itself, the demands that other countries accept americans as their new overlords, and the dizzying sense that the white house could do or say anything at any moment. all of this is intended to keep the country on its back heel, so president trump can blaze ahead in his drive for maximum executive power, so no one can stop the audacious, ill conceived and frequently illegal agenda being advanced by his administration. for goodness sake, writes the times. don't tune out. the actions of the presidency needs to be tracked, and when they cross moral or legal lines, they need to be challenged boldly and thoughtfully, with the

confidence that the nation's systems of checks and balances will prove up to the task. there are reasons for concerns on that front, of course. the republican led congress has so far abdicated its role as a co-equal branch of government from allowing its laws and spending directives to systematically be cast aside, to fearfully ascending to the president's stalking of his cabinet with erratic, unqualified loyalists. much of civil society, from the business community to higher education to parts of the corporate media, has been disturbingly quiet, even acquiescent. but there are encouraging signs as well. the courts the most important check on a president who aims to expand his legally authorized powers and remove any guardrails so far have held, blocking a number of mr. trump's initiatives. states have also taken action. they go on to say

that none of this is to say that mr. trump shouldn't have the opportunity to govern. 77 million americans cast ballots to put mr. trump back in the white house and the republican party, now fully remade in the service of the maga movement, holds majorities in both houses of congress. elections, as it is often noted, have consequences. but is this unconstitutional overhaul of the american government? what he campaigned on, and it goes on and on, john. but i find i find so much of that so important for americans to understand that several things true at once. donald trump had 77 million people vote for him. the people have spoken. he is president of the united states. republicans control the senate. republicans control the house. they have slim majorities in both, but they do control

those. they have a right to move forward and try to pass legislation that that moves america in the direction where they want it to move, but they cannot redefine unilaterally the powers of the presidency. and j.d. vance's tweet yesterday that courts cannot stop a president's legitimate power. i mean, of course they can't. but it is the courts and not vice presidents. it is william rehnquist and it is warren burger that determined the outlines of a president's authority and not spiro agnew and richard nixon. that is we saw that in nixon v us. i suspect we will see that again soon. but it is important. i

loved this editorial and i'm wondering what you took from it. >> well, i think this is what, for instance, the federalist papers were drafted for. this is what the if you look at the american founding, you see in many ways an imperfect group of men. and they were men trying to create the most perfect system they could, all the while knowing that they were going to fail at that. but they made the argument that because human nature is sinful and we are fallen and frail and we're fallible, and we want power because, you know, since the third chapter of genesis, we've been taking instead of giving. and the founders understood that. and as madison said, ambition must be made to counteract ambition. so david

french, my neighbor in middle tennessee, wrote a really wonderful piece as well in the in the new york times in the last 24 hours or so, which i commend to you where. and it's not just micah because he quotes the anti-federalist papers, but it was part of the part of the charm. right? what they understood what what the what the founders understood. and this is, by the way, isn't this what conservatives are supposed to be fascinated by? it points like this is that whenever you give one force, one party, one interest, one man, too much power, then the body politic, and they always use those terms they borrowed from the ancient world body politic, corruption, they words that talked about how important politics were as, as important as our health. right.

i mean, that's, that's where the, the metaphorical language comes from. you have to have the balance. and that's what madison's insight was. he borrowed it. it was a theological insight as much as it was a political one. the head of what became princeton, a man named john witherspoon, who taught many of these figures, was a deep calvinist and understood that most of what we would want to do would be wrong and selfish. and so therefore we were going, as hamilton said, by reflection and choice, to create a system where we would check our worst impulses. and the problem, of course, is everybody is against executive power until they have it. but this is an extreme version of that. and of all and of all the and i believe in the keep calm and carry on. absolutely. as we've talked about before, you know, as john belushi, that great political scientist, said, we did not give

up when the germans bombed pearl harbor. that said, the thing that is the most troubling to me in the past x number of days was the vice president weighing in in that way because it felt to me, and i hope, i pray, that i'm wrong. it felt to me as if it might be setting a predicate, a predicate for the kind of showdown that would potentially, potentially break apart this constitutional system of checks and balances. >> well. and there also was a senator, a republican senator, who talked about a, quote, judicial coup. we will, of. >> course, to. >> soothe that senator's jangled nerves later today, be showing mika all of the executive orders by joe biden that. were overturned. and, of course, when those executive orders were

overturned, no democratic senator came forward talking about a, quote, judicial coup, just like when kamala harris lost the election. no democratic senator talked about stolen elections. so yes, yes, it seems that what applies to one side maybe isn't thought to apply to another. but that's the thing about the constitution. it applies to everyone. >> up next, we're going to run through the four key areas where the trump administration is challenging the very foundations of american government that is straight ahead on morning joe. straight ahead on morning joe. >> the money's. tamra, izzy and emma... they respond to emails with phone-calls... and they don't "circle back" they're already there. they wear business sneakers and pad their keyboards with something that makes their clickety- clacking... clickety-clackier. but no one loves logistics as much as they do.

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plan, claiming it violates the constitution. the development in the latest is the latest in a legal a number of legal actions against president trump's executive orders. at least ten lawsuits have been filed in response to president trump's orders on immigration and citizenship. the majority of those are focused on the white house's push to end birthright citizenship. multiple judges have stopped this order from taking effect, including a washington state district judge who was appointed by ronald reagan. he slammed trump's order last week, writing, quote, it has become ever more apparent that to our president, the rule of law is but an impediment to his policy goals. the rule of law is, according to him, something to navigate around or simply ignore, whether that be for political or personal gain.

then there are the issues related to january 6th. two different groups of fbi agents and employees have sued to stop the trump administration from releasing the names of those who worked on the investigations into the insurrection. on friday, the government agreed to withhold the names while the case is ongoing. president trump's attempts to freeze trillions of dollars in federal funding was stopped after both a group of nonprofit organizations and a group of nearly two dozen state attorneys general sued. and most recently, on saturday, a judge ruled that political appointees and special government employees like elon musk and doge should not have access to the treasury department's systems until a lawsuit on the issue is resolved. as the new york times reports, the situation could pose a fundamental test of america's rule of law if the

administration fails to comply with the emergency order, it is unclear how it might be enforced. the constitution says that a president shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, but courts have rarely been tested by a chief executive who has ignored their orders. and therein lies the rub. joining us now, legal affairs correspondent for the new york times, mattathias schwartz. and you guys have a quick guide to the lawsuits against the trump orders. you've written this piece. i guess it's four categories immigration, budget freezes and firings, transgender rights, january 6th investigators. is there a way to put this in order of, i guess, most dangerous? >> well, i think the. >> big picture. >> here. >> mika, and thank you for having me this morning, is that the federal. courts appear to be the. >> final or. >> last bulwark for. this offensive where where. donald

trump is. >> is trying. to take as much executive power as he as he can for himself. and the number of lawsuits, there are more than 40 so far. it's going to continue to increase as the president continues to move forward with his agenda. now, so far, we have seen, you know, i think more than half a dozen lawsuits on the birthright citizenship executive order alone. that executive order seeks to restrict the 14th amendment's guarantee to birthright citizenship, to take it away from the children of undocumented immigrants, to also take it away from the children of some legal immigrants. so that's very important. i think when you look at the docket, that's the case, that it's very easy to imagine going up to the supreme court. and then, you know, there are many others. you know, you said earlier the judges have ordered. >> a. >> variety of president trump's actions to be stopped, but that doesn't really answer the question of whether they're

actually going to stop. right. we're already seeing some early indications as of now, already, that the administration is not complying with with orders from federal judges. we are seeing that in a rhode island case about the $3 trillion budget freeze. and i can give you a couple. other examples as well. usaid, for example, that agency has been completely gutted. so a judge says give the people back their jobs, open the office back up. is the administration going to do that? how long is it going to take? are they going to drag their heels? are we going to see contempt orders from judges? that would be a real rubicon. so yeah, it's a pretty, pretty unprecedented situation. not completely unprecedented. we have seen presidents ignore orders from courts before, but usually it's in a far more limited way. and during wartime. >> coming up, it's not just the vice president taking that stance. we'll show you the extreme position that republican senator mike lee is taking to defend the administration's power grab. that's next on morning joe.

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climate of opinion that enables these institutions, these people who run these institutions, to do the right thing. >> well, jon. >> meacham. >> you. >> have certainly my light tonight. >> la la. la la la. >> la la la. >> so we mentioned the reaction from the right to the ruling against elon musk and doge. musk slammed the judge, calling him corrupt and writing on social media that he needs to be impeached. he even floated a new idea that the quote unquote worst 1% of appointed judges should be fired every year. that post has received almost 300,000 likes. vice president jd vance also chimed in on social media. the yale law school graduate argued, quote, judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. and senator mike lee of utah, who also went to law school,

posted about the decision multiple times from his personal account. he wrote that he agreed with the vice president's position, calling it 100% accurate. he also called the ruling a judicial coup. so, joe, there does seem to be kind of a lead up to something majorly unprecedented, and that will require a lot of questions as to what the next step is. but let's keep. >> it right here. i mean. >> the tweet though was circular. >> i know. >> it made no, it made no sense. and it made no sense because the legitimate powers of the president of the united states is not determined by the president of the united states or the vice president of the. take that down. >> well. >> vice president of the united states. no, no, no, no, listen to me. listen, listen. you need to understand. everybody needs to understand. in reading this,

it is the supreme court of the united states who determines what the legitimate power of the president is, of the vice president is of what congress is. that is the way it has been since john marshall was the first supreme court justice. this is trolling. and i will say and we will give examples for mike lee, who also went to law school, to say this is a, quote, judicial. this is all planned. they they decided they were going to do these things that pushed the boundary of the law that went over the line. this is all planned because let me tell you something again. we're going to show you a list of presidential actions that were enjoined, stopped, overturned during the biden administration. and we could go back and do the same thing during the bush

administration, during the clinton administration. this is how things are. so when you say a court cannot stop a president from doing what's in its legitimate power to do. well, yes, of course that's true. but it is the court that determines the contours of that power. it's that simple. let's bring in our now conservative attorney, george conway. george, remarkable that these people went to law school. but. but i want you to just talk just in general. and we're going to go through again just to show all the times joe biden's executive orders were either enjoined or overturned. but this happens, right? presidents do executive orders at the beginning of the term, not not to this degree, not not pushing the boundaries as much, perhaps, as president trump has done. but this

happens. there are challenges. some things get through, some things don't. but you don't have a vice president. i guess spiro agnew probably did, but you don't have a vice president going out there going, oh, the court can't do this. they can't stop our legitimate power. when, of course, again, the supreme court determines what the executive branch is. legitimate powers are and what they are not, and it has been that way for 240 years, has it not? yeah, absolutely. >> and. >> you know. >> j.d. vance is. >> an embarrassment to the law. >> school that. >> i attended. but the fact of the matter is. he's telling us something that we should have already known. and last week i said it. they are not going. >> to obey. >> court orders. they have decided that they are going. >> to. >> push the boundaries on executive power by basically infringing on the article one, article one power of congress, and they are violating statutory they're violating the constitution, the text of the

constitution in the in the birthright citizenship issue. >> they are. >> violating the. text of. statutes by. >> having those. >> run around. >> and do. >> all the things. >> that they've. >> been doing, the executive orders. there's no. reason that this government that has decided not to obey the law, the laws and the constitution of the. >> united states. >> is going to obey. >> a court order. >> and as you know, joe, having practiced law, there's only there's really only one way that courts can enforce. their orders. >> when somebody. >> is being contemptuous. >> and refusing. >> to obey an order. and that's to send the us marshals out, to take somebody in and to hold them in contempt or to otherwise enforce court orders. well, who does the us marshal service work for? the us marshals service is part of the united states department of justice. it reports to donald j. trump. and what's going to happen here, mark my words, is that at some point, they are going to basically tell the united states marshals service, do not enforce any of these orders. we will not obey them, and you.

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has got it. touchdown. >> that's philadelphia eagles. >> quarterback jalen hurts with a perfect 46 yard touchdown pass to devante smith. that made it 34 to nothing. late in the third quarter. the chiefs still had not crossed the midfield point at that point, as the eagles defense smothered quarterback patrick mahomes, sacking him for a career high six times and forcing him to commit three turnovers, including this 38 yard pick six in the second quarter. >> intercepted. >> meanwhile, philly qb jalen hurts threw for two touchdowns and ran for a score to earn this game's mvp honors. as the eagles denied the chiefs their historic super bowl three peat with a dominating 40 to 22 victory. let's bring in pablo torres back with us. mike barnicle here as well. and a gloating, a gloating jonathan lemire and an ali vitale, who's a new york giants fan who lives in washington and doesn't know exactly what she

thinks about the outcome of this game. so, so, pablo, so many stats here that that are so shocking. i've got to say though, the one that we highlighted at the top of the segment for me is, is the one most stunning, which is the eagles were ahead 34 to nothing before the chiefs even crossed midfield. >> yeah. the score that you'll see in the paper this morning. speaking of print media, not reflective of what this was actually like for those of us who sat there and watched all of it. and joe, look, i got this one wrong. i think that in this on this day in particular, it's important to point out transparently where you got something wrong. i did not see the eagles getting whatever they wanted, however they wanted against the chiefs. >> in part, in part. >> i want to talk about the quarterbacks here. because jalen. hurts is not. >> he. >> was not supposed to be the

guy who looked this confident under pressure. that's mahomes. and so to me like what do we take away from this game. what's different about how we talk about these teams going forward? we talk about the nfl more than anything else in in our culture. now, we can say that patrick mahomes has choked. you know, we can say one of the harshest things we can say about a player, which is that he collapsed under pressure, literally, figuratively. >> no no no no, no, it's kind of hard, pablo. i mean, mike, it's hard to say that somebody chokes when they don't even have time to set their feet. you know, it's interesting. tom brady said. you can tell how once you can tell how uncomfortable patrick mahomes is, because look at his footwork. look at his footwork. he had 3 or 4 linemen at all times that weigh over 300 pounds crashing in on him. he he never had time to really get set in the pocket. >> well, i mean. >> that's that's the. >> story, i think of what happened. yesterday and. >> it. >> happened early on and it happened consistently throughout the game. patrick mahomes offensive line. >> could not.

>> protect him. they could not triple away. >> from him. >> he was. >> getting crushed from two minutes into. >> that game. >> by the way. >> mike, even that interception, even that interception by the goal line that happened because the defensive lineman pushed an offensive lineman. look at this into mahomes. threw it off so he didn't throw a bad pass there. he he was he he he had a lineman pushed into him. it was that way for him all night. which i've got to say just remarkable. i didn't see this coming. and certainly you know jalen hurts is performance. you have to also put that in part on barkley because you can tell they focused on stopping barkley. and in doing that they left a lot of people open. yeah. spags the defensive coach for the chiefs. >> clearly concentrated on that stopping barkley. and he stopped barkley because they stopped giving the ball to barkley. but if you. >> do a forensic. >> autopsy on the chiefs.

>> season, they. >> had a very good record. but it. >> was a hard. >> earned record. they won a lot of games in the. last minute because of patrick mahomes. and the big difference again we reflect back on it looking we know what happened. they could not protect patrick mahomes. >> yesterday and they. were going. >> to lose. >> coming up a look at willie's sunday sit down with comedy giant will ferrell. their conversation straight ahead on conversation straight ahead on morning joe. i didn't think someone like me was at risk of shingles. the rash couldn't possibly be that painful. and it wouldn't disrupt my life for weeks. i was wrong. i didn't know that 99% of people over 50 already have the virus that causes shingles and it could reactivate at any time. i learned that the hard way, but you don't have to.

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>> but i'm. >> kind of a big deal. >> a local news anchor in 1970s san diego. >> shake and bake, buddy. >> a disgraced nascar driver with two first names. >> we're going to skate to one song. >> one song only. >> and unlikely. >> figure skating. champion past his prime. >> we're going streaking. yes. >> they are the preposterously blustering, endlessly quotable characters will ferrell has turned into. cultural icons. >> i think as a performer, i'm. >> like the guy who lives. >> next. >> door that. >> you don't think. >> i'm going to say the things that i say and. >> that that. >> is. >> the. >> rug pull that. >> has. >> worked for me. >> i think. >> the thing. you've mastered, too, is. >> the. >> guy with supreme but. >> unwarranted confidence. that's always been. fascinating to me. >> ron burgundy, ricky bobby. >> all of them. >> you ain't first. >> you're last. you're going. >> to get the quotes. >> is there. >> one or are there. >> two that. >> people throw your. way the most? there's a lot. >> did we just become. >> best friends? yeah. you're my

boy, >> blue. >> buddy the elf. >> what's your. >> favorite color? >> yeah. milk was a bad choice. >> always at my boys basketball game, i had. >> someone holding. >> up a cup of. >> coffee and going. >> breakfast of champions. and i had to. >> i go kicking and screaming. >> he's like, yes. >> oh, nice. >> and he was like. >> you have. >> no idea how. >> often you're quoted. >> in our household. >> i was. >> like, i do now, and i need. >> to be paid. >> growing up in irvine, california, ferrell loved making his friends laugh, but he never imagined comedy could be. a career. your dad was a keyboard player for the righteous brothers. your mom's a teacher. >> at what. >> point does comedy become important in your life? >> it's just. >> something i always wanted. >> to do. but i didn't. >> give it kind of. any thought or any weight. >> because i. >> just saw. >> how unpredictable. >> my dad's. >> life was.

>> as. >> an entertainer. so i thought. >> i'm i'm just not. >> going to do that. i want. >> a. >> real job. >> and i. >> didn't know what. >> that meant. one of his first jobs after graduating from usc was a shaky stint. as a. bank teller. >> is it true? >> and i hate. >> to put. >> you on the spot here. yeah, that the. >> count was off. >> some days. >> when you were. >> a bank. >> teller. >> that there was some money. i'm not at liberty to say. >> not yet. >> is this being recorded, this whole interview? >> your attorney's right over there. oh. >> can i. >> say anything? i was. such a. >> bad bank teller. >> i would. >> make one transaction. >> and. >> then shut. >> my window down. >> and then. >> is everything okay? >> open my window again. >> next. it was like one every 15 minutes. and we get to the end of the day and you cash out, and i was like. >> $300 short. and the manager is like, that's okay. >> so-and-so was. >> 300 over. >> maybe you guys just traded money. i was like. >> yeah, maybe. >> we did. >> so needless. >> to. >> say, that was not the future.

that was not the career, the. >> financial world. >> yeah, no. >> you stepped. >> out of. >> that world and onto. >> a stage. >> with the groundlings, right? >> i was like, this is what i want. >> to do. >> ferrell. among. >> the many saturday night live stars discovered while performing with the groundlings. >> these were just about just about done here. get off the damn shed. off the shed. >> in 1995, after a pair of nerve wracking auditions, lorne michaels offered ferrell a coveted spot in the snl cast. >> i'd be doing myself a. >> disservice. >> and every member of this band. >> if i didn't. >> perform the hell out. >> of this. >> he was. >> an overnight. >> fan favorite will ferrell and a star on the show for seven seasons. >> as you. >> stand here now, given the success you've. >> had, what do you think the 1995 version. >> of you. >> walking in these doors for the first time would think. >> impossible. >> oh yeah. a little. >> fun fact. >> about that new cast.

>> i'm the. >> first cast member to have a line in. >> our first show. is that right? i'm in the cold open. >> i flubbed. >> my first line. >> good afternoon. >> it's been a. >> busy day in court. the trial. >> which. ended yesterday with the. >> prosecution's prosecution. >> on live tv. >> in my. >> dream. >> job. >> you recovered nicely, though. >> am i sweating? >> you know, sometimes. >> you. >> can be addicted to. >> something that's not a drug. >> i like big butts, and i. >> cannot lie. >> so when you. >> decide to leave after. >> seven seasons. >> is that a hard decision? >> if someone had said. >> to me. >> you only. >> get to. >> do saturday night live, and. >> that's all you'll ever get to do. >> i would have signed. >> on. >> the dotted line. >> it's my dream job. >> but there was just it was the right time to go in terms of a certain. >> amount of. >> momentum i had. i had. a movie. >> that i'd. >> shot called old school that was being held. >> which is never a good sign. and i'm. >> back in la and. >> we've written a script called. anchorman that had

gotten rejected. >> by like 20 different. studios in financiers. >> no one. >> wanted to do it. >> and then. >> there was. >> a script that needed a lot of work about. >> a human. >> who grew up at the north pole, raised. >> by elves. >> sorry. >> this is crazy, because. >> i think that. >> mark back there. is where an elf. i see the. >> tree for the first time. >> you make. >> me. >> feel so young. >> which leads to zooey. >> deschanel and. >> i skating in the rink and having a kiss. >> but that's in the first. week of filming. >> i still don't even. >> know. >> what the character was. >> right, right, right. >> buddy the elf. >> is a huge kings. >> fan, but. >> we've never. ever seen him. >> like this. >> once in a while. ferrell likes to take his famous characters out on the town. >> it seems you. >> enjoy to will. >> occupying this place. >> and embracing. >> who you. >> are, like the elf. >> stunt at. >> the l.a.

>> kings game. >> showing up at the lakers game. >> and effectively arresting shaq. yeah, i'm not someone who's on all the time, and yet there are certain moments where. >> i think, oh. >> gosh, that would. >> be funny. >> to go. >> to a. >> hockey game and just get a cheap. >> buddy the elf. >> costume with a cigarette. >> and just be sitting there drinking a beer. >> and not. >> explain it. i love. >> the questioning. >> of it. >> as much. >> as any. >> sort of. >> adulation i may get. it's just fun. >> to still be out in. >> the world and do weird stuff like. >> that. >> and we'll show you part two of their sunday sit down straight ahead. but first, a look at what's driving the day on wall street as president trump pledges 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin joins cnbc's andrew ross sorkin joins us. when at&t has a new guarantee. because most things in business are not guaranteed. like a distraction-free work environment. -yeah,i'll circle back around. -get those steps in, kevin. your coworkers keeping things confidential.

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welcome to the fourth hour of morning joe. it's 6 a.m. on the west coast, 9 a.m. in the east. president trump doubling down on his support for elon musk and his efforts to remake the federal government. this comes as many of the moves face a number of legal challenges in court. nbc news chief capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles has more. >> president trump praising. >> elon musk this weekend. >> and his efforts to reshape. >> the federal government. >> i've had a great help with elon musk, who's been terrific. >> trump doubling down. >> after musk's. >> department of government efficiency. has shaken. up washington in the last. >> few. >> weeks. >> gaining access to some of the country's most sensitive payment systems. >> and disrupting. >> u.s. foreign aid programs. >> bottom line you say you trust him. trust elon? oh, he's not gaining anything. in fact, i wonder how he can devote the time to it. >> the president now. >> saying he will tell. >> musk to do the same with the american education system and the pentagon. >> to go check the department of

education. he's going to find the same thing. then i'm going to go to the military. we're going to find billions, hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud and abuse. >> the changes. >> so far have faced a number of legal challenges. >> today. >> their buyout. >> offer from federal workers. >> will face a hearing. and over the weekend. another judge temporarily blocking doj's access to the treasury department, the trump team and now musk suggesting a judge's decision may not be the final, say musk posting that the judge should be impeached. vice president j.d. vance. >> writing judges. >> aren't allowed. >> to. >> control the executive's. legitimate power and the president weighing in on the. >> legal hurdles. >> twice yesterday. >> i disagree with it 100%. i think it's crazy. no judge should be. no judge should, frankly be allowed to make that kind of a decision. it's a disgrace. >> democrats sounding the alarm. >> we are at a point where we are basically on the cusp of a constitutional crisis, seeing this administration taking steps that are so clearly illegal.

>> nbc's ryan nobles, with that report. let's bring in right now, staff writer of the atlantic, ashley parker. she's also an msnbc political analyst and chief white house correspondent for the new york times, peter baker, his latest piece is out this morning. it's titled trump 2.0 heralds an aggressive flexing of power. why don't you talk about that, peter? because that's what most of washington is talking about right now. what did you find? >> yeah, what. >> i was looking at. was how trump. >> 2.0 represents actually. >> a. couple in a. >> couple. >> of ways, some pretty. >> significant ideological shifts. right? >> a lot. >> of what. >> he's doing. >> he's done before are. >> extensions of what he's done before, things he's promised before. but in a couple of important. >> ways, we're seeing. >> a different. kind of trump. >> one. >> of course, is this slash and burn attack. >> on the federal government. >> remember, in his. >> first term. >> joe, you'll remember this. >> he wasn't much of a shrink. >> the government kind of conservative. >> he wasn't doing. >> very much of anything. >> to pare. >> back the. >> scope and size of our. >> federal state. now.

>> suddenly they're. >> shuttering agencies without. >> congressional approval. >> they're, you know, sending these young 20 somethings in to agencies left and right to just make wholesale changes and reductions without any input from lawmakers. and on. >> the. >> foreign front. >> we're seeing. >> a different kind of america first, right? instead of america first isolationism, we're seeing kind of an america first imperialism. instead of focusing on things within our borders, he's now focused on. expanding our borders. and so this is a different kind of trump. >> in that sense. >> well, and peter, help us out on that, if you will, because he is always talked about how he thought america should come home, that he wasn't the imperialist. he had always talked about liz cheney when he attacked liz cheney, he would talk about liz cheney and other republicans who were neo cons. and that's, in fact, what sort of the trump wing of the republican party was all about, which was doing less overseas, doing less outside the country.

so i'm curious, this appears to have just cropped up postelection when we hear about greenland, the panama canal, canada, on and on and on, any, any, any reporting on when that began developing and his strategic approach. >> yeah. >> it's a great. >> question, joe, because. >> i went back. >> and looked at. all of his public remarks. >> his speeches. >> and rallies. >> and. >> interviews and. >> so forth during the 24 campaign. >> guess what? >> the word. >> greenland never came up. not once. and when he mentioned the panama canal, it was only in the. >> context of. >> how. >> you know, jimmy. >> carter made a. >> bad decision. >> not that he was going. >> to. >> go take it. >> back with, you know. >> a naval fleet or. >> something. >> like that. and i. >> didn't find any reference to canada becoming the 51st state, much less. >> the idea of taking over gaza. >> remember. >> that's the. >> thing he floated just. >> last week. >> hard to imagine it was only a week ago. but that will. >> be the biggest. >> nation building project the united states has taken on, certainly since the iraq war. none of that came up during the campaign, but i think it

represents a sort of flexing of power and flexing of ambition that you're seeing in trump in this second term, maybe as he's thinking about history, maybe he's looking at the map. i mean, he did talk about greenland at one point during the first term. we reported about it in our book. susan pfizer, my wife and i, in. >> fact, he had you know. >> we asked him about that once in an interview. what attracted you? but he said, well, i looked at the map and i saw this great real estate, and i thought it was really interesting. but he didn't really make that big of a public show about it. this time. >> it seemed. >> to be a recurring theme. >> because whether it goes anywhere or not. >> it reflects. >> i think, a more global ambition than he used to have. >> i also want to talk about domestically how ideologically he actually is more let's just say he's following traditionally conservative ideas on. when i say traditionally conservative ideas, let me just say that we've heard you and i have heard in washington for 30 years, like go after foreign aid, cut

government spending, cut the government workforce. these are these these are not ideas that he's obsessed on. it seems to me a real indication that he is following the 2025 playbook that was laid out for him by heritage. these are all traditional heritage ideas and not things that he's talked about. of course, the grave concern is how he's going about doing that outside of sort of the constitutional boundaries o, you know, article one, spending powers. sure. talk about that, if you will. >> yeah, exactly. of course, you'll remember that ronald reagan talked about getting rid of the department of education, for instance, and the department of energy. other conservatives have talked about usaid over the years. >> a couple of. >> big differences. one, of course, is that ronald reagan would never have done it without congress. he would never have attempted. to simply, on his. >> own dime. >> shut down an agency funded

and authorized by congress without their approval. >> and the. >> other big. >> thing. >> is. >> i think. >> the way trump and his people are framing it. >> he actually. >> doesn't frame. >> it necessarily so much as about shrinking the government. and, you know, the less is better kind of view of conservatism, which is traditional and roots itself in the reagan era. he's talking about it in more of an attack on the deep state. right. so russ vought, his new budget director, produced a document in 2023 saying, you know, going after the. woke and weaponized government, not against the overly large government or the government is too intrusive. it's against. the woke government. so he's framing it as a culture war battle. and he's also, of course, looking at it in terms of retribution against a government that he believes tried to thwart him in his first term and try to indict and prosecute him in his. four year interregnum. >> so, ashley, the other track of action here is the rooting out of dea, which is now a very bad word. according to the trump administration. and you're writing a little bit about how

that's manifesting itself in how he's making changes. like, that's putting it lightly at the kennedy center. tell us about it. >> that's right. so we broke the news a couple hours before trump truthed it, that he. planned to. >> fire a number of. >> board members. >> at the kennedy center and appoint himself chairman. >> and part. >> of. >> this is a reaction from four years. >> ago, when. >> trump was the only president who did not attend a single kennedy center honors. and part of that was because, you know, in his. >> first term. >> a number. >> of the artists and. >> honorees said they would they would boycott the awards. >> they would boycott. >> the reception at the. >> white house. >> and he just sort. >> of said. >> fine. >> i'm i'm not going to go. >> and this. >> time around, the attitude was described to us as very different. the idea was, melania and i are not going to be the ones who don't go to the kennedy center because you don't like us. we're going to take it over,

you. >> know. >> just because someone put it, just because robert de niro doesn't want us to come. he was an honoree. we're still going to come, and we're going to remake it in our own image. and going back to your question about dea, it was. notable that in his truth statement, he said one of his reasons for wanting to sort of remake. this crown jewel of american culture was because they had put on a drag show performance. >> and so it. >> was sort of. >> saying, not only is he getting rid of these board members who biden appointed, people like mike donilon, his chief strategist, or karine jean-pierre. >> his press. >> secretary. >> and becoming chair. but the stuff that he is going. to want. to show at the kennedy center is going to be in line. with that cultural. war that peter. was just talking about. >> yeah, absolutely. let's bring into the conversation, contributing opinion writer for the new york times, ben rhodes, he served as deputy national security advisor under president barack obama. and your guest essay, ben, for the times, is

entitled, this isn't the donald trump america elected. and you write in part this many americans, myself included, support overhauling the sclerotic national security consensus that has governed our policies since september 11th, 2001. yet it would be wrong to dismiss mr. trump's dizzying array of pronouncements and executive actions on foreign policy as simply the fulfillment of his campaign promises. he did not run on the dismantling of usaid, the conquest of greenland, or the occupation of gaza. rather than showing strength, his foreign policy betrays a loss of american self-confidence and self-respect, eliminating any pretense that the united states stands for the things it has claimed to support since fighting two world wars. freedom, self-determination and collective security. in many

ways, mr. trump cuts a more familiar picture from history an aging strongman musing about territorial expansion to consolidate power and cement his legacy. and joe, you know, i'll let you take it to ben, but, you know, he is using issues. i think that on the surface at least run quite well politically with the right foreign aid, government waste, immigration, even tariffs and di, these are in some ways winning issues on the right and do apply to his campaign promises. >> right. i think and ben, you point this out in part. some of it is the way he's going about doing it. obviously real concerns with that, with what elon musk is doing. but i'll follow up with you. the question i asked peter baker, which is when you talk about gaza, when you talk about greenland, when

you talk about the panama canal, when you talk about canada, these, these, these actually run counter to the sort of america first foreign policy approach. he's always he's always preached on the campaign trail and in interviews, doesn't it. >> yeah, absolutely. >> and look, this. >> was not. >> just a series of accidents either, joe. >> i mean. >> this is a man who, in his scripted. inaugural address, said this was. >> going to be an. >> era of, quote, territorial expansion. this is clearly something. >> he's been thinking about. and the. >> couple of things that jumped out to. me are, first of. >> all, this point. >> that if you look at other autocrats. >> around the. >> world throughout all of human. >> history. >> including in recent years, when you look at, say. >> vladimir putin in ukraine, or how xi jinping. >> is eyeing taiwan ever more closely as he ages a bit. you know, there's this idea that a real legacy comes with more territory. that's not. >> a new concept. >> it both helps you

consolidate. >> power at home. >> it stirs up nationalism. you get a bit. >> of a sugar. >> high, and it also. >> is something. >> that you know, you. >> can. >> associate yourself with going forward. i also make the point, though, that this is. >> hardly strength. >> here, joe. this is like a bully in the schoolyard. >> looking around for. >> someone small to push around. you know, so far we've. >> had greenland and denmark. we've had canada. >> and mexico. we had the brief spat with colombia. these are not people in the united states weight class when it comes to. >> great power conflict. >> so there's something even more unsettling about it, because this is not superpower behavior. this is autocratic behavior. and it's frankly kind. >> of declining. >> superpower behavior to be looking for someone kind. >> of smaller to push around. >> like this. well, i'm curious because i've read read some essays on it since president trump began speaking this way. and i'm wondering if you agree that this may be a sort of signaling to china, a signaling to russia that we're moving beyond the post war post 1945

world order, and instead he's talking about a sort of strongman sphere of influence, where the united states basically controls its sphere of influence. russia takes ukraine, controls its sphere of influence, china takes taiwan and controls its sphere of influence. is that what is that what you believe is happening? and how do you think that will play with the republicans in congress, who, as you know, during his first term, pushed back mightily when he thought when they thought that he was being he was yielding too much to vladimir putin. yeah. >> i think. >> you're exactly right. and actually, i think this is the great. >> danger of. >> the situation because, look, there's a scenario someone could be watching. this and say, oh, he's just leveraging and negotiations, you know, less fees for u.s. ships.

>> going to the panama. >> canal or. >> you know, canadian concessions on certain trade. >> issues. >> or maybe even just. greenland giving us access to more bases. >> and mineral rights. >> first of all, none of those things. >> joe, are. >> kind of what americans. >> thought they were voting for. >> you know. >> thank god we finally. >> are lowering. >> the fees. >> at the panama canal. >> but put that aside, it doesn't actually diminish the danger of what he's doing, because. >> the norm. >> and i know that. >> that's an out-of-date word, but the. >> norm that he is essentially just. erasing is state sovereignty. he's saying, i don't. care what people in. >> denmark and greenland say. i want greenland. >> the canada thing. i take less seriously. but it's not that funny. >> if you're. >> canadian, to have someone joking about you no longer being a country, i. >> mean, panama. >> this is core to their identity. getting the canal bac, and he is. erasing state sovereignty at a time when that is not only the cornerstone stone of any world order, it is eroding. already. vladimir putin has done the same thing in ukraine. you know, china wants to do the. same thing in taiwan. say, i don't care where the

borders are drawn. i don't care what the international rules say. if you're a big country, you can do whatever. >> you want. >> and i think trump is sending this message, hey, look, you know, we're back in the days of the pre-world. >> war one. >> where the us dominates this. >> hemisphere and we can do what we want in panama. and. >> you know, greenland is close. >> by. and canada. >> better listen to us, too. >> he's sending the same. >> message that vladimir putin loves that message. his message was always to the united states, the former soviet union. >> that's my. >> sphere. >> of influence. >> stay out. taiwan. china's message to taiwan is, you know, stay out of this part of east asia. this is ours. and so i think he is embracing a kind of nationalist strongman politics that, again, can make for good short term, you know, nationalism and political nationalism in the country. but it's what it's literally led to world wars in the past. >> and at a. >> minimum, i think it's going to lead the rest of the. world to kind of align against this type of behavior. >> from the united states. >> and the republican party. i just don't see it, joe, right now, coming from the congress, i think what it's going to have to happen is we're going to have to

break this spell on people a bit, that that you can't oppose trump on anything foundational to what. >> he's saying. >> because i think there's people who know better in congress. you see where this is going and see that it's not just about usaid. it's about what is america. >> in the world? >> ben, hi, it's. >> peter baker. >> i wonder if you could go a little further on what you. >> think about ukraine. >> because i think actually in ukraine is one area. where he has sort of kept to the more isolationist view of his party. why should we be spending money on somebody else's war? let's not, you know, invest anymore in their arms. there's talk that president trump will have a conversation with president putin sometime in coming days. zelenskyy, i think, is in munich, where vice president vance is. >> what do you see. >> happening there and what are the implications if he tries to force an end to the war on terms that are more favorable to the kremlin? >> i mean, thus far. >> i think people are waiting for some shoe to drop. we have not seen a withdrawal of

assistance. we've not seen any significant change in american behavior with respect to ukraine. it may be, and i think there's a lot of hope. you talk to people in europe, peter, as i do, that trump might actually escalate a little bit here to try to push things into a negotiation. so for the time being, the idea that the us is kind of a guarantor in those talks for. >> ukraine. >> we're kind of. standing behind them saying, make sure that, you know, to the kremlin, make sure that the deal you give these guys can at least pass. >> muster, can at. >> least get the ukrainians to say, yes, that's still holding. again, my concern is the impact that trump is. >> having. >> not just on foreign policy, but on politics itself inside of the west, because the united states, even if he's saying that the table, the kremlin, vladimir putin knows we're not going to be giving ukraine assistance in two years, three years or four years. and in europe, trump is a very disruptive force. and you see the rise of these far right parties like the afd in germany that elon musk is boosting, who could care less about ukraine, some of whom are actively hostile to ukraine? people like viktor orban, his closest ally

in europe, trump's closest ally, has been pretty much a friendly to putin's agenda when it comes to ukraine. so even if we're saying the right things, peter, i just worry where this politics is going. it's not a place in which ukraine can feel that assured. in commitments he gets from europe and the united states. >> for sure. and ashley, before you go, other things you're looking at are sort of a narrative that we have here on the show. what is the signal versus the noise? yesterday, president trump wanted it to be called gulf of america day. was it gulf of america day. so that i. >> would put as. >> more of the. >> noise. >> sort of. >> he was trying. >> to. >> do, frankly. >> his. >> own super. >> bowl sunday stunt. >> he had. >> already mentioned in, in his scripted inauguration speech that he wants to rename it as the gulf of america. he then, in his first flurry of executive orders, signs an executive. order renaming it or saying he wants it renamed the gulf of

america. that's not unilaterally quite in his control. so sort of he's he's made his point. he's messaged it. he's branded it as a showman. but he knows he's he has this opportunity. he's getting on air force one at his private mar-a-lago club. it is going to fly over the gulf of mexico. >> gulf of. >> america on its on his way to the super bowl. and he could not resist bringing the press into the front cabin to sign a proclamation, making it gulf of america day. i think most people still remember it as super bowl sunday. >> okay, the new reporting is online now. staff writer at the atlantic ashley parker, thank you so much. and former deputy national security advisor ben rhodes, thank you as well. his latest piece in the times is available to read online right now. and peter baker, stay with us if you can. we want to take a moment now to take a look at some of the other stories making headlines this morning. more than 200,000 people protested against far right extremism in munich, germany, on saturday

ahead of the country's general election there. similar gatherings took place in several locations as well. recent polls have the far right, anti-immigrant alternative for germany in second place. voters will head to the polls on february 23rd, and flu cases are on the rise once again as a second wave of the virus spreads across the country. levels of influenza nationwide are now at the highest they have been since 2009. that's according to the cdc. so far this season, 13,000 people have died from the flu, while over 300,000 have been hospitalized. the cdc estimates there have been at least 24 million flu illnesses so far, and president trump said he was considering using the department of transportation to end congestion pricing, which he claims was stopping people from

coming into new york city. trump was vague on specifics as to how he would go about stopping the program, but did say he was in discussions with new york governor kathy hochul about the pricing plan. early results show congestion pricing, which began just over a month ago, has reduced traffic in manhattan. critics say the plan serves as a double tax on commuters who need to enter manhattan from outer boroughs, or new jersey who don't have access to reliable public transportation. the president also vowed in the interview to eliminate the city's bike lanes, calling them dangerous. okay, coming up, president trump plans to announce new tariffs today targeting imports of steel and aluminum. china, meanwhile, imposed retaliatory tariffs yesterday, covering about $14 billion worth of u.s. goods. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin joins

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of steel and aluminum, and is also taking issue with the production costs of the penny. nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett hake has more. >> reporter president trump making late night news after watching the super bowl. >> in person. >> the first. >> sitting president. >> to do so. >> when one was fired. >> on his way back. trump saying he'll address new steel and aluminum tariffs today. >> and tomorrow. >> after announcing them on. air force one before the game. >> any steel coming into the united states is going to have a 25% tariff. >> the u.s. >> imports more. >> steel from canada. >> than any. >> other country. >> in an interview. >> taped saturday, the. >> president asked about his. >> occasional claims. >> the country. >> should become a state. >> yeah it is. i think canada would be much better off being a 51st state. >> the president. >> also teasing a. >> midweek announcement of. >> reciprocal tariffs. >> taxing imports. >> from any. >> country that taxes american exports. >> the ones that are taking

advantage of the united states. we're going to have a reciprocity. >> those moves coming on top of a. >> 10% tariff placed last week on all. >> imports from china. >> all of which. >> could drive up. >> costs for. >> american consumers. and overnight, another. >> announcement that may literally. >> affect americans wallets. >> the president posting he's. >> instructing the treasury. >> to stop making new pennies, writing. let's rip the waste. >> out of. >> our great nation's budget, even if it's. >> a penny at. >> a. >> time, as trump also used his trip. >> to. >> new. >> orleans to expand on. >> his foreign policy. >> doubling down on his controversial vision for the middle east. >> i'm committed to buying and owning gaza. >> and confirming. >> that. >> he spoke. >> by phone with. >> russian president. >> vladimir putin at. least once about. ending russia's. >> war in ukraine. >> i expect to have many more conversations. we have to get that war ended. i would imagine i would be meeting with putin, yes, at the right time. >> let's bring in the co-anchor of cnbc's squawk box in new york times columnist andrew ross sorkin. andrew, a lot to talk about there. but why don't we

start with the steel tariffs, which the president announced last night, that they're coming into effect. the new york times has a story up that it's primarily focused on china, but obviously other countries from mexico to canada to japan will also be targets. talk about it. well, i think. >> the question mark is. >> is this some kind of grand negotiation or not? we've already seen. retribution in. >> terms of. >> tariffs on the other side. >> and so. >> there's the question of are these tariffs being used for. national security issues. i mean, the. >> way. >> he was talking about it in the context of canada and mexico and wanting. >> to, quote unquote, secure the border, or is this a retaliatory issue around the. >> economics. >> if you will, of all sorts of countries, as. >> you just mentioned, china being. a leading. >> edge of all of this? >> so i think we're going to have to see how this plays out. and it's going to be very interesting to see what other countries ultimately decide to do. do they come to the table

and negotiate? do they not? and if they don't. what it ultimately means to inflation in. this country? because as. >> we've discussed over and over. >> and over again. >> these tariffs typically. >> have an inflationary impact. >> they won't. >> it will take a couple of months. >> to actually see. >> the inflationary impact. but they will. >> if in fact they don't get. >> stepped back. >> now of course, we saw in the context of. >> what was happening with mexico and. >> canada just two weeks ago that they stepped off. >> of those and. >> you know, created this sort of. month long reprieve. some people say that, you know, trump. >> won those negotiations. >> other people say that actually. mexico and canada did what they. >> were doing already. >> and said it a little bit more loudly. >> yeah. so let me ask you this, andrew, because obviously most economists oppose tariffs. most politicians and people you hear talking about about tariffs oppose it. occasionally i will come across a ceo or someone studying trade that said, hey, listen, we're really taking it

on the chin from china or from the eu or this country or that country. i'm just curious in all of your conversations and all of your reporting, what industries believe right now we need to put tariffs on china, that china is taking advantage of us or the eu. you know, the president, president trump had talked about the fact that you don't see chevys or fords in berlin. so what what what order is do automakers say it to steelmakers. say it. what ceos say right. tariffs are a good idea. so interestingly. >> it's less. >> what i call heavy industry. anybody who actually manufactures something physically because. >> the cost. >> of doing that manufacturing back in the united states, creating those factories and doing that fast takes a long time. and so i think you're not hearing it from them. >> where you are. >> hearing it. >> is. >> actually from. >> big tech, from silicon. >> valley saying, you. >> know, we're not allowed to do. >> business in these other countries.

>> and that's a digital business, of course. and so. if we're not allowed to do business. >> in. >> china. >> they shouldn't. >> be allowed to do business here. that's that's where you hear more of it. >> rather than from. >> from, as i. >> said, heavy industry places. >> where you'd have to. spin up factories. >> now long term, maybe people are going to build more. factories there, closer to the united states or in the united states as a result. >> of all this. >> but that is something, as. we've discussed over and. >> over. >> that takes many, many years. it's almost generational, depending on how quickly these things happen. yeah. let's talk about the super bowl. you and i talk about the nfl and what an economic and cultural behemoth it has become. nothing like it. another year. nothing. literally nothing like it in american culture. it really it really has become this central, dominant, unifying not just sport but cultural event. talk about the year that was for the nfl and how it just seems to keep expanding its reach, its popularity, its size, its

income. >> there's just so. >> few things that actually capture the imagination of the american. >> public the. way football. >> does it. >> you know, we talk about shared. >> experiences in this country. >> there's very few shared. experiences that we. all still have. >> and yet, i think if you were to go out in the streets today and ask people about that dunkin donuts. >> commercial. >> for example. or just any number of things that we. saw last night during the game itself or the halftime show. these are now shared experiences that people have. one of the. most interesting dynamics. which we're starting to see is going to be. whether those shared experiences continue the same way. right now. >> the super bowl obviously. >> still broadcasts on one of the. >> major networks. >> everybody piles in and. >> watches. >> one of the interesting things happening. >> in sports. >> obviously, is now we have so many different streaming services competing. >> for different. sports rights, including football. >> and so you have. netflix on one side, you have amazon on. >> the other, you have peacock, nbc. >> our parent company with. >> the rights as well. and so you have all these different

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week. yeah. whenever he's like, i'm here, i'm here, i'm here. it could be. well, i'm not going there. >> are you planning to meet. >> with president putin or are. >> you just planning? >> it could be. it could be we. we've always had a good relationship. president putin and i have always had a good relationship. that's why it's so sad that it happened. this would have never happened if i were president. >> president donald trump speaking with reporters on friday. trump said he has talked about efforts to end the war in ukraine with russian president vladimir putin, telling the new york post the two leaders have spoken, but that he better not say how many times. joining us now, chief foreign affairs correspondent for the wall street journal, yaroslav trofimov. he's the author of the new novel no country for love. we'll get to the new book in a moment. but first, i wanted to get your take on the president's comments, if you may. >> well. >> obviously. president trump has repeatedly said he wants to bring peace to ukraine, and. >> the ukrainians.

>> are the. >> first to. >> welcome peace. it's been almost. three years of. >> horrendous war that has. >> killed hundreds. >> of thousands of people, destroyed ukrainian cities. the question. >> is, at what price? >> and what the. >> ukrainians want. >> is a peace that. >> is not. >> just a. >> pause to regroup for the russians, a peace that comes with. >> some sort of security guarantees that make sure that this is the end of the war, not just the. preparation for the next stage. >> we'll be following that. let's turn to your book, which is kind of related. your your book is described as an excavation of ukraine's layered traumas and entangled identity. no country for love. you were born in kyiv and recognized for your award winning reporting in ukraine. what inspired the book? >> well, this book is. >> based on. >> the loosely based on the life of my grandmother, who lived through some of the. >> darkest periods in. ukraine's history. >> in the world's history.

>> if you look at what happened in. ukraine in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s was. >> probably the. >> deadliest place. >> on. >> earth. >> between 3. >> and 7 million people died. >> in the artificial. famine that was orchestrated by moscow in the 1930s. >> and then. about 10 million. >> people died in the second world war. so the odds of survival, of survival are. pretty low. >> and all that history was kept. >> secret by. >> the soviet regime. it was. >> illegal to speak about the. >> this famine, the holodomor. >> and yet. >> you know, everyone. >> in. ukraine is. >> descended from. >> people who. >> survived that horrible. >> horrible time. >> and who. >> were told these stories. >> in. >> secret by. >> their grandmothers, great grandmothers, great grandfathers. and i. >> think. >> one of the reasons. why ukraine is. >> resisting so hard. >> today is. >> because people realize. >> that the alternative. to continuing to fight. >> this horrible losses. is something even worse, even more. >> death and destruction in the long run, because russia under president putin is not. >> hiding its. >> intention to go back. >> to that. >> old time. >> right? right. they're holding

on to their land, but also their identity as ukrainians. can you explain, for our viewers, ukraine's entangled identity, the chaos, the moving borders, the confusion over prolonged period of time? >> yeah, absolutely. well, you know, ukraine is a. >> very multiethnic, multicultural society. >> you know, my. >> grandmother. >> after whom this. basically whose life this book is. based was jewish. >> deborah deborah. >> rosenbaum in the book. >> but. >> you know, she lived. >> in a period. >> of great social upheaval. >> at the time where borders were. moved to, where. societies were. >> made. >> and the. >> country became more. >> and. >> more repressive and. >> the territory. >> and so the. >> story there is a story of. >> survival in this. >> time of trial, but also a story of the moral compromises. >> the story. >> of the. >> sometimes very. >> unsavory things that people. >> had to do. >> at the. >> time so they would. >> survive or the children would survive. >> and.

>> you know, it's a. >> shameful story for many. >> and so that's why it's. >> remained hidden. >> for. such a long time. >> so it was quite painful. >> to write about it. >> we have peter baker with us, and he has a question for you. peter. >> hey, yaroslav, how are you? it's good to see you. congratulations on the novel. i love your nonfiction book. of course, our enemies will vanish. about the beginning of the ukraine war. >> talk a little. >> bit about what it's like to write about using nonfiction and fiction as different ways of telling stories. there. you're, of course, a correspondent, a journalist by trade. you've written other books, nonfiction books. but this is a different way of telling stories. tell us why you wanted to do this in a in a fiction form, and the advantages it has. >> well, you know. >> to write a nonfiction book about my grandmother, i just didn't have enough material. >> i spoke with her at. >> length before she passed away. >> but when i started. >> writing this book in 2014, when russia first invaded ukraine. and i was based in. >> kabul at the time. >> as the. >> afghanistan bureau chief. >> for the newspaper, i just. didn't have the. >> material about her life to

have every detail. >> you know, the archives. >> were all. >> destroyed. >> but i did try. >> to use my journalistic muscles to be. >> as faithful. >> to the reality as possible. >> and so i spent a great deal of time. >> researching the real events, the real locations in ukraine and russia. and so while the there are liberties with. >> the. >> with the story. >> of my. >> grandmother, i. >> tried to be really as close. >> to the facts with all the other characters in the marine tried to reconstruct that hidden history of ukraine. >> that, you know, is unknown to the world by design. >> because russia. >> has. >> spent all. >> this time trying to suppress it. >> really, really good history lesson as well as storyline. you dedicated the book to your mother? i don't want to say it wrong. i love. alevtina alevtina and to all the mothers of ukraine, the new novel no country for love goes on sale tomorrow. chief foreign affairs correspondent for the wall street journal, yaroslav trofimov. thank you very much. congratulations on the book. thank you very much. up next, a

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