first half, were up 34 to nothing at one point. i mean, this game was never even in doubt. we spoke with some fans last night to get their vibes and understand what this championship, their second in seven years, means to philadelphia eagles fan base. here's what they told me. how fulfilling is this moment as an eagles fan? >> oh my god it's amazing. we blew out patrick mahomes. >> in your wildest dreams. >> that was my wildest dreams. that was my wildest dreams. >> so on of the chiefs have three super bowls in the last several years. the eagles now have two in the last seven. one more. they talked about starting their own dynasty. these guys are going to be even back to you. >> that eagles defense was something. sam brock thank you so much. that does it for us today chris jansing picks up right now. >> good day. >> i'm chris jansing live at msnbc.

>> headquarters in new york city. >> and we. >> have breaking news. >> a judge just. >> told president trump no. on a new round of spending cuts. the stern warning that came in just moments ago. >> plus. >> is it a real plan or just a political hail mary? democrats raising the possibility of shutting down the government to keep donald trump from bulldozing any more agencies? but can that actually work? dollars and cents donald trump takes his war on cost cutting to the treasury department with an order to stop making new pennies, even as he promises that major new tariffs are coming. what that means for your bottom line. a lot to get to, but we start with that breaking news. a federal judge just moments ago, doubling down on efforts to hold the trump administration in check, finding that they have continued to improperly freeze federal funding in direct violation of a judicial order. the judge insisting the white house must immediately reverse course and restore all frozen funding. i

want to bring in nbc's garrett hake, who is at the white house. mark mckinnon was an adviser to president george w bush and john mccain, as well as creator of the circus. and joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney professor at the university of alabama school of law and msnbc legal analyst. so, joyce, what is exactly in this order and what is the practical impact? well, this is a very brief. >> order from. >> the judge. >> in rhode. >> island saying. >> look, government. >> it. >> appears to me, based on the evidence that's been put in front of me. >> by the. collective states. >> attorneys general. who are the. >> plaintiffs in this action, that you. >> haven't been following. my order. >> that order. >> is a very temporary pause. it's called a. >> tro that tells. >> the government. >> you must. >> discontinue this blanket freeze. on spending. >> it appears to the judge that the government has not done that. and so the judge is now. >> saying you have. an obligation. >> to. >> comply with my. >> order immediately. >> you haven't done it. >> you need.

>> to do. >> it now. >> and garrett, let me read to you directly from the order which i just got my hands on as well as joyce did. it says persons who make private determinations of the law and refuse to obey an order generally risk criminal contempt, even if the order is ultimately ruled incorrect. of course, donald trump has avoided any real penalties, even when he has been convicted in the past and what he's doing, i think it's fair to say, is an absolute cornerstone of what he intended to do from day one when he got into office. >> yeah, chris, i think that's exactly right. >> president trump and his team. >> had long. >> expressed throughout. >> the. >> campaign that they were going to test. the bounds. >> of executive. >> authority, and they want to do so in this case as well. both he and vice president vance over the weekend made arguments. >> to. this effect that they don't believe. >> that a single. district court judge, as this is in the district court in rhode island. >> i believe. >> specifically should have this kind of authority or does. >> have this kind of authority. >> to make these kind of blanket

statements about federal policy nationally, and they intend to challenge or push back against any specific judge making that order. this goes back to something j.d. vance has talked about, sort of a throwback to andrew jackson historically, saying, you know, i've seen justice marshall's. i believe it's justice marshall's order. now let him enforce it. they believe the courts don't have the authority or the ability to hold their feet to the fire in this case, and they are spoiling for a fight. democrats have looked at this and see a potential constitutional crisis on the horizon. but for now, i'd be very curious to see, and we have no reaction yet. i should be clear from the trump white house, given that this news has just broken in the last few minutes, how far they want to take this challenge, either up the ladder with the courts, or by simply continuing to not comply? >> well, that's a key question, isn't it, joyce, in terms of preserving the constitution and preserve, of recognizing that there are branches of government, and that's the democracy that we live in. how big is this moment, potentially

for a judge to say, i have told you what needs to be done. you need to do it. yeah. it's shocking. >> that a federal. >> judge would have. >> to admonish the government like that. >> and there are. >> two paths forward. >> here, and one is very dramatic and. >> perhaps potentially dangerous to democracy. >> the other is normal. >> and realistic. >> the normal. >> realistic path. >> is to appeal the judge's order. >> to try to get. >> a higher. >> court to reverse. >> although in reality this is a very. >> short term. >> order because on february 21st, this judge will hold what's. called a. >> hearing into the preliminary injunction. >> and let both parties. >> put. >> on evidence and. >> decide what. >> to do moving forward. >> the judge. >> has also. >> told. >> the government that. >> it's free to. >> come back. >> to him if they need. >> a specific. exemption from. this order. >> in. >> order to. >> pursue legitimate. >> allegations of. >> fraud and waste. this order. >> tells the government it's

unconstitutional to have a. >> blanket freeze. >> on spending. >> that congress. >> has authorized. but if. >> something specific comes. >> up, come back to me. so that's. >> the rule of law approach, the approach that we would expect. >> to see the administration. >> take the lawless path. is the path. >> that we've increasingly seen. the former or. >> the current vice. >> president reference. >> this notion that you. just don't have to obey orders from courts. >> that you don't like. that's obviously in violation of. >> the oath that. >> members of congress, along with members of the. executive branch. take to uphold the constitution. >> and if. that's the path. >> that the trump administration chooses, then we. >> really would be at a very serious. >> moment for democracy. >> and, mark, i want to read another part of the order. here's what it says. the defendants now plea that they are just trying to root out fraud. but the freeze is in effect now, were a result of the broad categorical order, not a specific finding of possible fraud. and in any case, as we've often seen before, let's go back

to the 2020 election was stolen. donald trump has long said, well, there's all this fraud and we're going to show you the proof for it. and then there never is any proof. we're still waiting for him to say why. the usaid, for example, is a corrupt organization or why some of the people may have been taking kickbacks, fraud, the possibility of trying to prove fraud. how important is that just that statement to you in that ruling by the judge? >> well, it's fundamental. >> and this just gets to the bottom. >> line. >> which is the republicans have caught the car now. >> and governments. >> in their control. and what happens will be on their watch and they will be accountable. >> but it's clear. that trump is. doing what he said he would do. >> during the campaign. and he's just taking a wrecking ball. >> to. >> the government. and he is stretching. >> the limits. >> of executive authority to

their absolute limit, including. congress and including the judiciary. and i think what's going to be interesting, and i kind of flip it over to joyce on. >> this question, is. >> ultimately what happens if trump just says, screw it, sue me. do whatever you want. find me in contempt. >> i just, i think, which. >> is where i think they'll go. they'll just say, we don't care. the courts can say whatever they want. we're going to continue to do what we want to do. joyce. what in the end, what's the hammer here in the end? >> i mean. >> isn't that the problem? right? there's this famous statement about let the courts enforce it. the supreme court does not have an army that enforces its decisions. instead, we have an american tradition of judicial review with the supreme court. >> as the ultimate. >> arbiter of. >> these legal issues. including the power. >> of the presidency. and so that said, unless the congress suddenly grows a little bit more of a spine than we've seen them willing to engage with most recently, you know, because really, the limit we now learn on presidential power is. the power of impeachment, a

political power which is probably not going to be exercised here. we would be in a real moment of crisis if this president decided he could ignore court orders and do whatever he wanted to do. even richard nixon didn't do that. ultimately, turning over the white house tapes when the supreme court ordered him to do that. >> and even if garrett, the president said, okay, we're going to comply with this order for the next 11 days, the defendants this is again reading from the document. the defendants must immediately take every step necessary to effectuate the tro, including clearing any administration, operation or technical hurdles to implementation. one of the questions raised by folks who were concerned about this in the first place was it's easy, for example, to lock everybody out of the building and say, you don't come in to work anymore. it's another thing to get things back up and running, and the latter often takes longer than the former, right. so where does

that leave things? >> well, that's. >> exactly the way thousands of federal employees. >> that's exactly right. and in some cases, it may not even be technically feasible to comply with the judge's order. if you've already put people on administrative leave who you know, know how to pay out certain grants, or to make sure that the lights are on at certain agencies, whether it be usaid or the consumer financial protection bureau. today, where workers were told not to come into the office, it may not be as simple as saying, okay, you know, folks down the hall in cubicle a, you know, you can send that check out now, those people are not at work or perhaps have already decided they're not coming back. this order may not be enforceable in that way. and i want to make the point. since joyce raised impeachment on the right, including from elon musk, there has been chatter that impeachment could go the other way, too. it is possible to impeach federal judges. and so could you see a scenario in which this republican controlled congress goes entirely the other direction and says they agree that the judge's orders are unlawful here? they back up trump in this showdown and decide to try to move to impeach

a federal judge for issuing an order that they believe is inappropriate. i don't think you can cross that possibility entirely off the list either. >> well, joyce, i have to ask that of you doing the job that you do and working with the people you've worked with throughout your career, because as i was talking about this, as i'm running out of the newsroom and coming out to set, i said to someone who is not involved in news production what was happening, and they said, oh, for that judge, could you see a scenario where judges i mean, look, already we know that a number of people who have any number of jobs in the federal government are nervous about being seen as bucking what this administration wants. but what would that mean if they started looking seriously at impeachment of judges who rule against what the what the administration wants them to do? >> so already. >> we've seen. >> that call for impeachment of judges. elon musk tweeted, i think yesterday that every year

the bottom performing 1% of judges should be fired in order to do away with corruption. the reality is, under our constitution, which cannot be altered at the whims of a single individual, federal judges get life tenure, and they get that so they can set aside the party affiliation that helped them get the job in the first place. we saw federal judges do that, both republicans and democrats, in the wake of the 2020 election, when they bravely rejected the allegations of fraud that were unsupported by any evidence. now, we have this morning, this decision, this order that's issued by the chief judge in rhode island, an obama appointee, which i'm sure we will hear more about today. but he very bravely, after seeing the criticism of the judge in new york over the weekend who had entered the temporary restraining order in a different case. he very bravely leads with. this citation to case law that says if a court issues an

order, you the parties must comply with it immediately, even if it's ultimately reversed on appeal. so this is clearly a judge who's spine is stiffened. this is not a judge who's going to back down. but i think we're right to be concerned that there may be some judges. judges are only human, who may really be worried about. >> the threats. >> that are undoubtedly coming. for any judge who rules against this administration. that's why it's so important that the other two branches of government act in concert to say judicial review is a reality of american democracy. it's how we get things done. it's fair. it's right. we don't attack individual judges for their rulings any more than we attack individual prosecutors or fbi agents for the cases that they're assigned to work on. but unfortunately, in trump 2.0, those sorts of criteria are used to condemn our democratic institutions. and that's a real attack on our form of

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any more federal agencies, piece by piece. the key date on their calendar now march 14th. that's when federal funding is set to run out. and some key democrats are suggesting that if the gutting of the federal government doesn't stop, they may reject that critical funding bill. >> the republican party has shown year after year that they're the party of shutdowns. they're the. >> party of government chaos. they're the party that can't even. >> within their own. >> ranks, pass these funding bills. >> and that's why, as you said, they're going to need us. we will look at every single tool in our toolbox. >> as. >> we've done this last week. >> to make. >> sure that we. >> stop him from hurting people. >> i cannot support efforts that will continue this lawlessness that we're seeing when it comes to this administration's actions, and for us to be able to support government funding and for them to turn it around to dismantle the government, that is not something that should be allowed. >> but a new poll out this weekend shows the majority of americans support the president

and the actions he's taking. his approval rating is at 53%. that's the highest he's ever gotten in that poll, and more than the percentage of voters who supported him. last november, a whopping 70% say none of this is a surprise. a point the president himself has made when it comes to targeting fraud and abuse in government agencies. >> the people. look, i ran on this and the people want me to find it. and i've had a great help with elon musk, who's been terrific. bottom line, you say you. >> trust him. >> trust elon. oh, he's not gaining anything. in fact, i wonder how he can devote the time to it. he's so into it. but i told him do that. then i'm going to tell him very soon. like maybe in 24 hours to go check the department of education. he's going to find the same thing. then i'm going to go to the military. let's check the military. we're going to find billions, hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud and abuse. and, you know, the people elected me on that.

>> nbc's vaughn hillyard is on capitol hill. jake sherman is co-founder of punchbowl news and an msnbc political contributor. mark mckinnon is back with me as well. vaughn, how realistic is this idea of using the threat of a government shutdown to force the administration, i don't know, into some kind of negotiation. how does this fit into democrats overall plan? >> right. okay. march 14th is when government funding expires. that is just about one month away here. and for democrats, i'm sure they're in the minority in the house and the senate. but look, house republicans can only afford to lose one vote on any legislation moving forward, including on whether it be a continuing resolution, a budget or debt ceiling extension. but when you're looking at the senate, they've got to get 60 votes. they're going to need democrats here. and that is where you saw senator schumer in a letter to colleagues just a few moments ago, stating that, in fact, that they are going to seek on an array of fronts to

not only support government workers who come out as whistleblowers, but also essentially sign on to briefs for litigants as part of any litigation against the executive branch. but when you're looking at the march 14th deadline here, there is an understanding that potentially the democrats could withhold votes from either the government spending or the debt ceiling as a means of getting the trump administration to be more transparent, for example, about doj's efforts. now, a hakeem jeffries has been very non-committal in ultimately committing to having democrats ultimately potentially even shut down the government. it's usually democrats that like to pin the blame on republicans for government shutdowns over the last decade, not the other way around. but i want to let you listen to the two democratic senators from maryland who i think are representative of what we have heard over the course of the last several days from democrats here up on capitol hill and then being more explicitly taking on the trump administration's actions. take a listen.

>> this is not a recipe for government efficiency. this is a recipe for corruption by the doj's boys and this government and this trump administration. >> what is. >> this about? what is. >> it for? >> none of this. >> none of it. >> is about making. >> our government more efficient. >> and much of the democrats argument here is that ■wh pass a budget or a continuing resolution for continued government spending when the trump administration is not even committing themselves to spending what has been previously appropriated by congress, which they argue that it is the executive branch's responsibility under the law to do. >> all right, jake, speaker johnson responded to this idea on fox over the weekend. so let me play for folks exactly what he said. >> the democrats. >> frankly, are flailing right now. they don't have an identified party leader. they don't have a real vision for the party. and the blitz of all the trump executive actions have

them just at a dizzying pace. and so they're flailing right now. >> well, dizzying pace is certainly right. but what's your take on how democrats have responded to what the president and elon musk have done? >> everything johnson said is right. >> i mean. >> they don't have a party leader. they are. >> flailing a little bit. >> they're grasping. >> at straws. but if you're a democrat, as vaughn just. >> said. >> they can't be paper straws. let's just be clear. >> well. >> if you are a. >> democrat right now. >> and you're. >> watching the trump administration dismantle many of the programs that you've championed over the last 50. years. and all you the only. >> power you. >> have is your. vote for. and by the way, you only have it once or twice a year. you have it on the government funding bill. you have it on the debt ceiling. you might have it on some aid packages as well. you might have it on on some must pass pieces of legislation, but that's it. so if. >> they want. >> to. exact anything or if they

want to try to. exact anything from the administration, now is the time to do it. i don't think they're going to be able to exact anything. i don't think there's a chance of that, because i don't think that they're going to want the administration is going to want elon musk or anyone else handcuffed. so i think they're in a really tough position and layer on that, that the fact that the rank and file, rank and file democrats are just frustrated, terribly frustrated at at watching the administration do all of these things and cut away at government, at the government that they've built, that democrats, by and large, have built over the last 50 years. they're going to there's going to be a lot of pressure on the leadership to try to exact some sort of handcuffs or punishment or strictures or structures or anything around what the white house and the administration can do. but i've been saying this for weeks now. march 14th is a very, very big deadline that could go wrong in a lot of different ways. and by the way, just because chuck schumer and

hakeem jeffries are saying we should vote for or we should negotiate with republicans in good faith, that doesn't mean that the entire caucus, the democratic caucus in the senate and the house will follow in lockstep and agree with them. >> yeah. mark, i want to play. i mean, you can hear the frustration, right? you can hear it when they were marching and having little press conferences last week. and i want to play part of what senator chris murphy said over the weekend. >> i think this is the most serious constitutional crisis the country has faced, certainly since watergate. the president is attempting to seize control of power and for corrupt purposes. the president wants to be able to decide how and where money is spent so that he can reward his political friends. he can punish his political enemies. that is the evisceration of democracy. >> part of the democrats argument, mark, was that even though people voted for change, they didn't vote for what's happening now. but that poll seems to indicate the opposite.

so does it make sense for democrats to keep calling it a crisis? the constitutional crisis, without acknowledging a lot of americans? a majority of americans are getting exactly what they wanted. >> that's exactly right, chris. >> i mean, a lot of what's going on is exactly what trump said he was going to do. so it shouldn't be any surprise. and it's no surprise that the democrats just can't seem to get any sort of coordination going. so this march 14th looming deadline, as jake said, is a really big deal. it's a huge opportunity for democrats. the question is, can they take advantage of it now? historically, government shutdowns have been laid at the doorstep, appropriately of republicans, and they've paid a price for that. so the question is, can republicans flip the deck this time if they can't get democrats to help fund the budget and lay it on them? and this this will be a real message war between the parties to see who ultimately gets responsibility for it. but it's also an opportunity for the

democrats to leverage something in order to get a deal, because ultimately, republicans are going to have to get a deal, and people like chip roy just aren't going to vote. so they need some democratic votes. but again, as jake said, it's pretty hard to get all the democrats in lockstep either. and so the republicans only need a few democrats to. >> yeah, jake, new york magazine writes that, quote, fighting trump with alarms about his violation of legal and constitutional limitations on presidential power are unlikely to work with an electorate unmoved by trump's earlier scofflaw attitude. voters must be convinced in very concrete terms that what he is doing will affect their own lives negatively. and i wonder if, in conversations with democrats, there is something of a wait and see attitude, wait until the economic problems that may come from a lot of people, tens of thousands of people losing their jobs, economic problems that may arise from tariffs. et cetera. et cetera. eggs. the price of

eggs doesn't seem to be hitting them yet, but what are you hearing from democrats when you speak to them privately about what it's going to take? >> that's why. and this might not be a popular thing to say. that's why the fight with usaid, the international aid organization department is, is quite popular, to be honest with you, because most americans will never in their life encounter usaid. and look at the news reports, which are, by the way, mostly right, that we do fund as a country things like a sesame street in iraq. i couldn't believe that when i saw a republican congressman tweet that i went back and looked myself, and we have funded that. so when i on those topics, those don't impact people's lives on the wait and see attitude is exactly what a lot of people are doing. if he starts, if the republicans start messing with medicaid benefits or have, you

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>> very simply, it's if they charge us, we charge them, that's all. >> when is it going to. in fact. >> almost immediately. but if they are charging us 130% and we're charging them nothing, it's not going to stay. >> that way. >> i want to bring in white house correspondent erin gilchrist, also with me, senior business correspondent christine romans. so, christine, for those at home, the word tariffs seems to be making headlines every day. every other day at least. what do we know about how these steel tariffs he's announcing today could impact our wallets. >> making news every hour. to be honest in this new trump administration. look tariffs are a tax when something is imported. so we're talking about steel and aluminum imports. the president is saying now that would affect canada mexico brazil south korea. those are the people who send us the most steel and aluminum. and he's talking about reciprocal tariffs on every country. you heard him say there he said a tariff for a tariff, an eye for an eye. those could be thousands of different categories with the potential to upend global supply chains and potentially raise prices. we

have a pause on canadian and mexican tariffs, 10% on energy products. that could be something that would raise gas prices. but for now at least, the sides are all talking. and 10% tariffs on china that did go into effect. and one thing i think we're going to be watching here, cell phones, computers and accessories, look at these items that the u.s. imports from china. these are the top ten import categories here. these are things that that 10% tariff will likely be passed on to consumers. i've been talking to small and midsize business owners who've been looking who've been importing these things, who are saying they're going to pass the tax, much of it on to their customers. >> all right. so, erin, what else are we hearing about these reciprocal tariffs? >> so we do expect the president to announce them. he indicated that would happen tuesday or wednesday this week, that we would hear some formal announcement about these reciprocal tariffs. this is something that we know. he in those comments said that every country would have to pay. and then he went a little further to say that it would really only

apply to countries that he described as taking advantage of the united states, countries that he believes have high tariffs, where the u.s. either doesn't have any tariffs on their goods or has much lower tariffs. i want you to hear a little bit more of what the president's director of the national economic council said to our friends at cnbc about this issue of reciprocal tariffs earlier today. >> so president. >> trump believes. >> that at the very least, everybody should agree that if they're charging. >> us 20. then we. >> should. >> charge them 20. >> and then if they go down, we'll go down. but that's the idea of reciprocity. >> of the tariff space. >> and so i think christine alluded to the fact that this is an incredibly complex thing. you've got different countries that have these trade agreements and policies that are set that involve multiple countries. sometimes they involve different industries and different types of products. so ultimately a blanket tariffs like this potentially could be hard to execute and hard to understand. and the reality too, chris, is that these costs, these types of

higher costs typically do get passed on to some degree to consumers. >> erin gilchrist and christine romans, thank you both. and now to donald trump's latest penny pinching move. he's ordering the treasury to stop minting the penny, which actually costs more than $0.03 to make. in fact, the u.s. mint reported losing more than $85 million last year, producing more than 3 billion pennies. trump posting online let's rip the waste out of our great nation's budget, even if it's a penny at a time. mark mckinnon is back with us. you know, mark, if you ask, what is a penny worth more than a penny? one answer might be when it gets the attention of the people who voted you into office. i mean, as we just heard, tariffs might be complex. middle east politics is certainly complex, but anyone can understand when you say it costs us four times as much as its value to make a penny. is this, in microcosm, an example of how trump has been successful in these early days? in spite of

all the concerns and the questions that are being raised? we saw that his popularity ratings, his approval ratings are going up. is this it in a nutshell? >> i think it is, chris. and, you know, as a former free trader, i mean, that's what helped me cross the bridge to become a republican in the first place. it's remarkable to me that republicans would be talking about tariffs. i think that's a pandora's box. but getting rid of the penny, that's a home run. i think that's a great idea. i think most americans would support it. it costs more to make than it does than than their actual value. and i'd say, let's go even further. let's take out the nickel to make it cost $0.13. for every nickel, it's $0.03 for every penny. let's get rid of the nickel while we're at it. but i think it's a it's a it's a no brainer home run idea. this is one where i think trump will get solid support. >> in that new cbs yougov poll we talked about. they asked how americans would describe the president. 69% tough, 63% energetic, 60% focused, 58%

effective. how much do you think of this can be attributed to? he is his own message, right? he markets himself and his agenda essentially as one thing. >> you know, and all the presidential campaigns have done, chris, the most important attribute, which is more important than actual policies that people vote on, is the perception of strength. that's why donald trump has always done well. that's why biden had a problem. he was just not. even though they're relatively the same age people didn't. you just saw biden as being infirm and not being strong. and even though trump is old, he is energetic. i mean, he's tweeting at 3:00 in the morning. so that's the sort of thing that that's why people voted for him and he's he's delivering. >> mark mckinnon, thank you so much. good to see you my friend. and up next, the bird flu outbreak sending americans scrambling from store to store. the latest on the growing egg shortage as prices soar. plus a

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