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tonight's deadline plus, world stage debut, president donald trump's number two jd vance in paris today, meeting with world leaders over ai. the critical test underway for the america first vp and more. tariff talk. president trump announcing blanket tariffs on steel and aluminum, and is already suggesting there could be even more to come later this week. the hostage deal holed up. hamas now says it will delay the hostage release set for this saturday until further notice. what this means for their already fragile deal with israel. our nbc reporters are following all of the latest developments. we start with nbc's ken dilanian in washington, d.c. on today's hearing about president trump's federal buyout plan. ken, what do we know about the challenge the judge is hearing today? >> good afternoon, chris. as you said, a federal judge in boston will begin hearing arguments any minute now in this lawsuit challenging the buyouts by

federal employees unions. they say the proposal violates the antideficiency act, which prohibits federal agencies from spending more money than they have been allocated. and that law also bans agencies from spending money before it's been allocated. they also say the plan violates the administrative procedure act, which governs how u.s. agencies create and enforce regulations, and it requires that new rules must be published for public comment. now, obviously, this buyout plan did not go through the usual rulemaking process. lawyers for one union wrote that the falke directive is, quote, a sweeping and stunningly arbitrary action to solicit blanket resignations of federal workers, and added that the defendants have not even argued, nor could they, that the falke directive was the product of rational or considered decision making. the trump administration obviously disputing that as many as 60,000 people have signed up for this buyout offer, which in theory allows them to be paid for another eight months after they stop working. if the judge decides the buyouts are not lawful, it obviously puts these

people in limbo. although the trump administration would no doubt appeal that ruling. those who signed up for the deal might fairly wonder, though, if they put a target on their back. and by the way, the number of takers is far short of the 5 to 10% of the workforce that the trump administration was hoping for. and that may be because a lot of people have said, including members of congress, that there are no guarantees that workers would actually reap the benefits of this deal, and, in fact, that recipients have had to sign away their rights to sue to enforce the agreement. chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you. now to paris, where jd vance is meeting with french president emmanuel macron and other nato and european allies on his first foreign trip as vice president. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from paris. so what is on the vp's agenda? >> well, chris, this is the. >> vice. >> president's debut on the world stage. >> and it has been a pretty. >> dizzying rise for a man. >> with limited foreign policy experience. until two. >> years ago, he. had never. >> held elected office. and tonight he is at the.

>> elysee palace. >> representing his. >> country in that. >> club of. world leaders. he's here in the french capital to give a major speech tomorrow at a. summit on artificial intelligence. >> and the. >> trump administration's. approach to ai. >> has basically been america first. >> the president. >> has been very explicit. he wants the united. >> states to be the world's dominant. >> ai superpower. >> he has. >> rolled back. >> biden era. >> safety regulations. >> on ai. >> and it comes as there is deep concern in washington. >> and in. silicon valley. >> that china is catching up when it comes to ai. now, the vice. president is not the only high profile american here at this summit. there's also a number. of leading tech executives. and we caught up. >> a little earlier with. reid hoffman, the co-founder of linkedin. >> he said. >> he believes the way forward for the united states is to work closely with its allies when it comes to ai. take a listen. >> i think it's. >> very important that western democracies. lead in this

because i think and one of the things i was saying when i was in new york is that ai. can also be american. >> intelligence, which i think is very good. but i think it's very. >> important for it to be. western democracies. >> and so partnering with. >> you know, key europeans. >> you know, kind of new zealand, australia. >> japan. >> the western. >> democracy approach. >> i think is very important. and i think that's an. >> important part of the global order. >> so you. heard the. >> argument there for a united democratic front. when it comes to ai. all indications so far are that the trump administration is planning to go it alone. it, of course, comes as the white house is threatening new tariffs on america's allies in the european union. chris. interestingly, while vice president vance is representing the united states here, the vice premier of china, a very senior official, is also at this summit. and it shows you the two world's two leading ai powers, both taking this very, very seriously. >> chris sanchez, thank you. let's talk about this new blanket tariff announcement from the president. i want to bring

in nbc news business and data correspondent brian chung. so what are we seeing today and how could all this impact our wallets here at home? >> well, chris, we're still awaiting the actual details from the white house over what these tariffs would be. but there were two tariffs that he announced while en route to the super bowl yesterday. and the first is a tariff on steel and aluminum products coming into the united states, which would apply to every country. that would be a pretty targeted approach to specifically the two countries that we thought we had avoided direct tariffs on just a few weeks ago, canada and mexico. i bring that up because canada accounts for over 20% of us imports of steel, and mexico accounts for over 10%. so these are the two largest trade partners with the united states when it comes to steel. whether or not they retaliate after just having negotiated effectively with the president remains to be seen. but again, these aluminum and steel tariffs that do blanket cover the entire world are mostly targeted to our neighbors to the north and south. there was the second tariff that the president also

floated, which is a reciprocal tariff. basically, the idea here is that any tariff rate that other countries impose on the us would be now imposed back onto them. some open questions about this. the cato institute, which is a largely seen as a writer right leaning think tank down in dc, has put up the question. well, there are some countries that have a lower tariff rate on the united states products than the other way around. would that mean that the us would lower the tariffs? there are a lot of questions over exactly how these would be implemented. and again, we have yet to see the details. although the president is set to sign executive orders this afternoon, maybe that will offer a little bit more clarity into exactly how these tariffs would impact us, because as you can imagine, steel and tariffs, steel and rather aluminum go into a lot of products, including the cans for your soda, the buildings that we need to work and live in. these would be very impactful if they do come into place. chris. >> brian chung, thank you. now to the new fears over the fate of the hostages in gaza after hamas announced today it will delay the next planned hostage and prisoner exchange indefinitely. nbc's megan

fitzgerald joins us now. what do we know about why hamas is doing this? >> chris, good to be with you. look, the spokesperson. for al-qassam brigades. >> took to social media. >> to say, essentially, that they. >> don't feel that israel. >> is holding up their end of the bargain. so they're delaying the release of the hostages that were. >> supposed to. >> be turned. >> over to israel. >> next weekend. >> in fact, i. >> want. >> to read for you part of the statement. it says that the resistance leadership has. monitored the occupation's. >> violations and its failure to abide by the terms. >> of the agreement. >> over the past three weeks, delaying the return. >> of. >> the displaced to northern gaza strip, targeting them with shelling and gunfire in. >> various areas. >> of the strip. now, the spokesperson going on to say that the delay will be until further notice. >> but for. >> some context here, the idf did. >> say last week. >> that troops operating around the enclave. >> fired warning. >> shots to keep. >> what they called suspects away. >> who were moving towards them, saying that these people. posed a threat. israel's defense. minister is speaking out, saying

that hamas's announcement. >> is a. complete violation of. >> the cease fire agreement. >> and the deal to. >> release the hostages. he says that the idf. >> is on the highest. >> level of. >> alert for any possible scenario in gaza. but again. >> chris. >> you know, i mean, this really goes to show. >> just. how fragile. >> the cease fire agreement is. >> and of course, it. comes just days after we saw the return of. >> five thai hostages who. >> landed back in thailand. >> this. >> weekend and the. >> release of three. >> israeli hostages. additionally, there. >> has been a lot. >> of concern for their well-being, the well-being of those hostages. we're hearing from over calderon, who was. >> just released, who says he lived. >> in tunnels without. >> seeing daylight. he experienced severe hunger when entire months without. >> showering or. >> receiving proper care. >> and i want to. >> read for. >> you part of the. >> statement that. >> he released. it says immediately. >> after the first deal. the conditions of my. captivity and those. >> of many other hostages. >> severely deteriorated. >> and became brutal. >> he went on to talk about the importance of getting everyone

out as quickly as possible. we do know that prime minister netanyahu's office did confirm that they sent a delegation to qatar to discuss next stages of the cease fire. they returned today. but while those talks do seem to be ongoing, today's developments could most certainly put those negotiations in jeopardy. chris. >> megan fitzgerald, thank you. in 90s the courts versus a flurry of executive actions. what happens when a judge tells donald trump he can't do donald trump he can't do something but he doesn't listen? you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean. not spreadsheets... you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. our matching platform lets you spend less time searching and more time connecting with candidates. visit indeed.com/hire booking.com has all kinds of stays. for those who love family resorts... [water spalsh] ...and for those who do not. ♪♪ there we go.

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bring in tim miller, host of the bulwark podcast and an msnbc political analyst. joining me here, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. so, lisa, give us a little bit of background on today's ruling and what it really means. >> so. >> chris. >> the states that had already sued about the omb freeze, that was the memo through which the administration sought to freeze federal funding pursuant to a number of executive orders, but perhaps even more broadly, went back to a judge in rhode island who had already issued a temporary restraining order and said, essentially, we're seeing signs that your temporary restraining order isn't being complied with. here are a number of funding streams that we would expect to be continuing that aren't, in fact, continuing. and many of them were funding streams under two big pieces of legislation the biden administration, the infrastructure act and also the inflation reduction act. they also pointed to other funds, like, for example, a grant that brown university gets from the nih that stopped midstream last week. and so the judge is essentially saying today, no means no. when i told you that

your funding freeze had to stop, i meant across the board. and no matter how administratively difficult it might be, you are to take all immediate steps to make sure that federal funding resumes. now, if you think you have independent authority to freeze federal funding outside of the omb directives, outside of the executive orders, if there's some specific authority that you can point me to, come back to me and apply for an exemption. but until and unless you get to that point and until i rule on the plaintiffs preliminary injunction request, you are done with this funding freeze. >> so, tim, here's how the president weighed in on the judge's ruling blocking doj's access. just yesterday. >> no judge should, frankly, be allowed to make that kind of a decision. it's a disgrace. >> you have republican senator mike lee writing that the ruling, quote, has the feel of a coup, not a military one, but a judicial one. and. and let me go back to jd vance, who, by the way, tim went to yale law school saying judges aren't allowed to

control the executive's legitimate power. where is this going? how do you see this heading? >> well, look. >> jd previewed. >> this back. >> before he was even chosen to be trump's. >> vice president. >> on one of those. >> million podcasts he was doing. >> he was asked. what advice he'd give to trump, and the top. >> piece of advice he said. >> he'd give to. >> then candidate. >> trump was. >> that, you know, when the when you win again, when the courts. >> come for you. >> and try to prevent you from doing the things that the people. >> elected you to do. >> you should. say the. >> court has. >> ruled now let them enforce it. >> referencing a apocryphal quote, probably. apocryphal quote from andrew jackson like. >> basically saying. >> i dare you to enforce that, but i'm just going to keep doing what i, i pledge to do. that was. vance's advice. >> to trump then. >> before he was vp. and he and he alludes. >> to that. >> and i guess a little bit more secure this way in this tweet now. and i think that that is what they're planning to do when

they plan to try to buck the courts and which issue they choose. i think that kind of remains to be seen how aggressive this is. you know, maybe they just dip the toe in the water a couple times and see how it works. but like we are barreling towards a i think what is very likely going to be this administration bucking court rulings and then seeing what happens. >> what might happen. >> chris. that's anyone's guess. and it is scary to even think about a place where we are in this democracy. talking about an executive branch that bucks court rulings. because when i think about instances in american history where people have flouted court rulings, i'm thinking about george wallace, for example, standing at the door of the university of alabama with the deputy assistant attorney general facing him with others from the federal department of justice trying to get him to obey what was then a federal district court's order to admit three

students to the university of alabama. nine years after brown versus board of education ordered the desegregation of american schools. but that's what we're sort of talking about here is literally a confrontation. for example, if a judge says that d.o.j. may not access treasury payment systems and there is a temporary restraining order against that, and somebody still wants to go into the department and do that, who's going to stop them here? the levers of executive power are being administered by the same people who are talking about flouting court orders. there is no pushback here unless the judiciary can enforce their orders. and that's not typically how it works strategically. >> tim. i mean, this flood the zone strategy. i mean, it feels like even if the courts block some executive actions and even if and we don't know what the trump administration is going to do, even if they decide, okay, we'll let this go. there are

just so many things out there, i think, what's the latest? it's like 40 separate lawsuits already filed in in attempts to block these. i mean, this is going to go on for a while. may well end up in the supreme court. and then we would see what is the president of the united states going to do if they come down with a ruling that he doesn't like a court that, as we all know, is conservative, and he pointed multiple members? >> yeah. >> well, some. >> of this stuff is going to go to the supreme court. i guess the one hopeful thing, optimistic thing you could say about the courts is, is in trump's first term, the court did reject, you know, what the administration had wanted a bunch actually more than he was rejected by the court, more than any president since fdr. and so the court is a little different now. you know, with coney barrett having been added right at the end of the first trump term. but although she's surprised a. >> few times. right. >> so yeah, exactly. so we'll see kind of how that shakes out as far as like the political

strategy is concerned. you know, look, there was a blind quote from somebody inside one of the agencies over the weekend and the person basically said, look, there they are. they are planning to have completely annihilated the civil service system by the time, you know, the courts and the opposition and the civil service catches up. and i think that really is their strategy. like they they want to go into as many of these agencies as possible, push the boundaries as much as they can. and, and, and they're hoping that by the time that, you know, the courts rule on all this stuff, a lot of people have just decided that it's not worth the trouble. people have left these agencies so they don't want to work in these conditions, don't want to work for some of these secretaries. so i think that is also part of their strategy is to try to push people out by making this, you know, a very unpleasant process for the people that have been, you know, serving in the government. >> lisa rubin, thank you. tim miller, you're going to stay with us. and coming up, what happens if trump's cost cutting

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but it aims to set a lower cap on payments that universities rely on to cover overhead costs. equipment, maintenance, accounting personnel. and while republican senators have largely backed the trump administration's moves to gut the federal government, what will happen when it hits their state's biggest employer? that is the question in the red state of alabama, where cuts threaten the university of alabama at birmingham, which has received more than $1 billion in nih funds in recent years. we're seeing similar funding fears in other states like georgia, nebraska, wisconsin. joining us, john archibald, columnist at al.com. nbc's vaughn hillyard is on capitol hill. tim miller is back with us in studio with me. basil smikle, former executive director of the new york state democratic party and an msnbc political analyst. john, let's just sort of set the stage here how large a chunk is that billion dollars for the university of alabama, birmingham. and what could be

the impact if it does go away? >> yeah. >> it's huge. >> they're talking about $100 million a year essentially, which is. a lot of money. in a, as you said, a deep red state, a very trump. >> state right here in the bible. >> belt that does a really terrible job of taking care of its sick people, with the exception of. >> the. >> uab. >> perhaps. >> but it. powers the entire. economy of the largest metro. >> in. >> the state. >> and. >> there's been, quite frankly, a lot of silence about it. >> well, both u.s. senators from alabama, katie britt and tommy tuberville, i don't have to tell you, are republicans. so they haven't had anything to say about these nih cuts. >> katie britt has hinted that the cuts should be considered carefully, which is, i. >> guess. >> as good as we can hope for at

this point. it was a pretty milquetoast thing. pretty. i mean, i would say. >> a scaredy. cat sort. >> of protest. tommy tuberville, who i would point out has received millions of dollars from to leave public institutions, complains that that we can take no more waste. so he is fully on board with the cuts. >> so? so, vaughn, republican senator of maine susan collins is actually pushing back on this nih cap on the indirect costs. what's she saying? >> right. and all of this comes. let's be clear, chris, before robert f kennedy jr was confirmation vote actually takes place, we anticipate that happening here in the senate later on this week. and susan collins is a republican senator who just a few days ago said that she intends to vote for the nomination of kennedy. yet at the same time, over the weekend, learning about the repercussions

and the financial consequences of this cut to the indirect costs. she spoke out and said that she called kennedy directly to bring this up directly with him before that vote actually takes place, and before she'll go and put her thumb up or thumb down. and in a statement, she directly responded to these cuts in which she said in part, quote, i oppose the poorly conceived directive imposing an arbitrary cap on the indirect costs that are part of nih grants and negotiated between the grant recipient and nih. i have heard from the jackson laboratory, the university of maine, maine medical center research institute, the university of new england, and mdi biological laboratory, among others. that these cuts, which in some cases would apply retroactively to existing grants, would be devastating, stopping vital biomedical research and leading to the loss of jobs. she said in that statement that kennedy indicated to her that once he is confirmed, he will go and check on that and see if he can correct course. >> so, tim, susan collins is a republican up for reelection in

2026, in a state that kamala harris actually won in november. do you think this particular move could put more republicans? i'm thinking also, north carolina's tim tillis, he's in a tough spot. the new york times reports that north carolina researchers were awarded $3.7 billion in nih grants just last year. could that get them to move a little bit? >> well, look, i think possibly i think that there is kind of the substance and political side of this, as there always is when you have tillis and collins. there was just a report out a little bit ago. i saw that tim scott in a private meeting for the nrsc, you know, said that they were going to need to raise about $1 billion for those maine and north carolina senate races. so collins and tillis, what? yeah, that's what tim scott said in a recent thing. yes. the billion for the two. two. those are going to be the two biggest senate races, 2026. so, you know, collins and tillis can't go so far afield from the party

that they feel like it might hurt. you know, if they're going after trump, it could hurt their ability to get support, you know, financially for their for their midterm. who knows. like they have a lot of different calculations i guess is my point. so tillis is somebody that that there was a lot of expectation that he might have bucked the party in various times. we haven't seen that so far. he's been down the line and almost kind of unabashedly down the line on all of trump's nominees. so, you know, who knows what will actually move them. i do think in this instance, the nih funding this gets right into these communities, it gets into red communities. it gets, you know, and the ripple effect, i think is bigger than elon musk and his doge. you know, teens like realize. right. and so i do think once this really hits communities and once we're through all the legal challenges, yes, you know, you might see some of these republican senators start to move because they're getting pressure from the bottom up. but that's going to take time. >> okay, basil, look, we talked

about the fact that they're already, you know, lawsuits going on for many of these directives. but it was interesting what dan pfeiffer, who was an obama senior adviser, said about this. he said in every budget battle of the last 30 years, proposing cuts to cancer research and food safety was the moment republicans lost. is there an opening here for democrats? >> well, i think there is. and to tim's. >> point. >> you know, i think the some of the ire that has been directed at the, quote, elite institutions, the northeast institutions is maybe where some of this derives. but the reality is that you have real big institutions and smaller towns, smaller states, where everything that needs to happen happens in many ways through that university, the jobs, the economic development, all of that. so when you cut this kind of research, you're not only cutting the opportunity to learn more, be more innovative, have more innovative approaches. to various diseases. you also cut an economic lifeline for a lot of these folks. now, tom suozzi made a point about aid that i

think is relevant here, which is if you have legitimate concerns about spending, do what everybody else does, bring it to congress, let congress engage in its oversight authority and bring in experts to say, we can cut here, but not here. but if you do it wholesale, then what you're doing is putting so many of these programs in jeopardy and ultimately costing people lives if they can't actually do the work that they're intended to do. >> yeah. let's talk a little bit if we can, john, about the ripple effect, because i grew up outside of cleveland, the cleveland clinic, huge employer. it's probably by far the biggest employer in cleveland, for sure. but i know just when family members have been there, you know, you go across the street and you're, you know, you buy your lunch there, you buy your dinner there. people stand at the local hotels because they have somebody who's come in from another state. you know what the ripple effects are. if that starts being felt, are you hearing concerns yet about the

ripple effects that might be felt? >> oh, absolutely. restaurant i mean, birmingham lost its steel industry years ago and uab saved the town. and it's the largest employer, not just here but in the state. and other than uab, the largest industry is hospitality. so restaurants and bars and hotels are freaking out. but there's also, you know, all the people that work with them and that work with biomedical research and tech that that are involved in that as well. and, you know, birmingham is a town that's lost, you know, almost 20, almost 20% of its population since the turn of the century of this century. and, you know, it is. and people in the outlying areas are affected just as much as the city. so it's a it's a very vulnerable place right now.

and this is a death blow. >> and you're a professor. so you're around college students every day. there was a big article in one of the papers today about students who are studying to be foreign service. but think about in a case like this, the brain drain that could happen for people who who knows who the next person is, who is going to find a treatment or a cure here. and the reality a lot of these kids are going to be graduating from college with big debt, right? and they want to know, where am i going to be able to get a job. >> that's right. so there is that there is that immediate concern. and then there's the chilling effect going into that. because if you're in a if you're in a small town or a state where the university is the job, right, are you going to be interested in trying to get a job that may not exist at that university? stay home so you may leave your city. you may leave your state. so this brain drain, not just from the university writ large, but from cities and states because those jobs are no longer there. and just a little

bit of history. in 1958, eisenhower signed the national defense education act. the point of that was to say that we have these concerns about our competition abroad. maybe we should put more money into universities to train students to be able to get jobs, so that they could kind of advance the interests of america. where is that today? because what we're hearing is a is a reduction of that is the taking away of dollars so that it won't have that impact, it won't push people into jobs to make america more competitive. quite the opposite. >> great panel, john archibald, vaughn hillyard, tim miller, basil smikle, thank you all. still to come, how do democrats message against a president who's more popular than ever? msnbc's jen psaki is standing by to talk about that with a to talk about that with a glimpse at her new want a next level clean? swish with the whoa of listerine. it kills 99.9% of bad breath germs for five times more cleaning power than brushing and flossing alone.

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>> fortunately. >> i believe. in our governor and what he believes in. >> and my first. job is to. >> go to school on. >> that and. >> then see if i can evolve. >> and try. >> to make a difference. >> governor dewine is term limited, and former presidential candidate the fake ramaswamy is seen as a potential candidate for his seat. well, today, more proof of the uphill messaging battle for democrats. a new cbs news yougov poll finds that president trump's approval rating is higher than it's ever been while he's in office, with 58% of respondents calling him effective, 55% calling him competent. joining me now, my msnbc colleague jen psaki, host of inside. hey, jen. how are you? good. she was also the former white house press secretary for joe biden, host of the brand new podcast. this is exciting, called the blueprint. okay, so i want to flip things.

i get to ask the questions here. great. let me let me ask you first about what you think about this poll. and is there a message for democrats in those numbers? look, one. >> poll is a poll. >> but i. >> think it's important. >> to remember that even though donald. >> trump didn't win with a. >> landslide. >> he's still. >> sitting in the oval office. >> he still. >> controls the house. >> and the senate. >> and so this is a. moment for democrats. to really figure out how to get out of the. >> wilderness and figure out what's next. we've seen. some hints. >> of responding. >> in a powerful way. >> there's protests across the country with people. >> peacefully protesting. >> i should i should reaffirm their their all. we've also seen members of congress put holds on nominees. we've seen them make clear they're going to use. every lever. >> of their power to stop. >> and delay problematic and challenging action. we've also seen actions in the courts. those are all good things. but i think, chris, what. that's telling us is that there needs to be a fearlessness. >> from the democratic. >> party and from aspiring

leaders, current leaders. about when they're speaking out, how they're speaking out, what type. >> of tools. >> they're going to use. and the last thing i would say is it's also about how you talk about things. you know, there's this whole question of is it a constitutional crisis? yes it is. if elon musk and donald trump are ignoring and trying to supersede what courts are doing, but we can't just keep saying constitutional crisis, constitutional crisis. nobody knows exactly what that means. i mean, some people do. what does that mean to people sitting at home and translating? that, i think, is something that was missed a bit in 2024 and needs to be better this year. >> i know you just talked to a couple of major democratic players for your new podcast, which launched today, so give us a little hint. what did they tell you? >> well, my first two episodes launched today. one is with governor wes moore. we talked a lot about everything from what football and politics have in common, really through the vein of sometimes democrats. and i obviously worked in democratic politics for more than 20 years. i believe in a lot of the

policies, but sometimes feel like they need to be the kid who's sitting in the front of the class to try to get an a, and not speaking in language that is in english and accessible. we talked a bit about that. governor moore and i did. we also talked about reclaiming patriotism. in his view, he's a veteran. it's been bastardized, as he called it. how do democrats do that? and i talked with jack schlossberg, who's of course the grandson of jfk. so he's known for that, but he's also been messing with people online on a range of social media platforms. i mean, he just removed himself. i talked to him this morning. he's okay. although when it's jack, you never know when he seems normal. that's always a flag. but his point is that democrats need to be edgier, need to take more risks online. and he's been playing with people's minds a little bit as that's the point of what he's doing. so we talked about that quite a bit. he's never really talked about what his strategy is. so that was a big focus of our conversation.

>> well, it's going to be interesting because he has a platform, you know, to reach a lot of young democrats. and if he's kind of playing around and seeing what works and maybe what doesn't work, that could be really interesting. jen psaki thank you. congratulations. >> we're excited. thank you so much. >> the new podcast is called the blueprint with jen psaki. it launched today. look at your screen lower right hand corner and you can scan to listen. she'll dive deep into the state of the democratic party and the lessons learned from 2024. so don't miss that qr code. get the first two episodes. you can also subscribe to msnbc premium on apple podcasts for ad free listening. and i want to go back to that hearing in massachusetts that could determine whether president trump's federal buyout plan can move forward. let's go back to nbc's ken dilanian in washington. i know we talked about the top about this hearing at the top of the hour. the state, i understand, just finished with its argument. >> yeah. chris. well, from what i can see, the arguments are well underway here in this hearing. both sides have talked,

and a lawyer for the unions basically said that they need a temporary restraining order, while the judge rules on the merits of this down the line, because they say the guidance, for example, has been all over the map. they say that employees are suffering irreparable harm because they really don't know what this deal is, whether they can take it. they're arguing that it's essentially illegal under a couple of different statutes. the trump administration, the justice department, on behalf of the trump administration, is arguing a couple of things. one, that the union doesn't really have standing here to represent federal employees. and secondly, the lawyer said, look, donald trump got elected to reduce the federal workforce, and they thought that this was a way. and they're also requiring people to go back to work, back to the office, which is going to drive some people out of the workforce. and they said this is a way to give them seven, eight months pay and kind of a soft landing. and so that's where it stands at the moment. the judge may issue a ruling at some point on whether he's granting a temporary restraining order. chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you. and coming up on chris jansing reports a new study on what to

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patrol reported more than 255 crashes, with cars skidding into each other. and this amazon truck driving through indiana tipped right over into the icy shoulder. and in rockland county, new york, vehicles were just left stranded in the snow. nbc meteorologist bill karins is here. so what do people need to be prepared for in the hours ahead? >> yeah, chris, i think. >> we're getting to that. >> time of. >> winter where everyone's kind of over it. >> and we're kind of like. >> all. >> right, when's it going to. >> warm up? and as soon. as i say that, we're just. >> going to. >> watch one storm after another. fast moving storms. tonight we're watching the storm moving into the mid-atlantic region. we have winter storm warnings up from louisville to lexington, charleston, west virginia, roanoke, charlottesville, richmond. you're right on the edge of that winter storm warning. this is going to be a decent little snowstorm for you. from washington, d.c. to fredericksburg down to richmond, it looks like from philadelphia northwards, not a ton of snow with this. and that includes new york city. so as far as the timing goes, as we go throughout the overnight, we see a band of snow breaking out, mostly over

kentucky. >> kind of right over the ohio river. >> the southern portion of this will be a lot of wet weather. we do have a flooding concern to the ground. saturated rivers are already full, so we have to watch that carefully. nashville, memphis southwards down toward shreveport. but that snow looks like the start in dc and richmond after people get to work in school. then during the day is when it really snows the hardest. so that's going to make it difficult if they don't cancel school or send people home early from work. that area of heaviest snow does look to have a band in it that could be up to eight inches, which is significant for this area. so washington dc, you're officially in that 4 to 6 inch forecast. richmond you go from a little bit of snow over to ice. so that could be a little difficult. make things very treacherous out there for you. so that's the bullseye point in here is really fredericksburg up to washington dc, southern new jersey, atlantic city, cape may could get about 4 to 6in of snow. and also our friends around harrisonburg and charlottesville and then the ice. with this, the area of concern is mostly going to be the western portions of virginia. maybe enough here to get some minor power outages. so that's roanoke southwards, almost heading down towards

boone, north carolina. and as far as rain goes, anywhere from 1 to 3in another soaker for you from louisiana, northern mississippi into tennessee. so this was the first storm that goes through. and as we said, we're going to be rapidly watching one storm after the other. the second storm moves in as we go throughout the day on wednesday. this one is a snow special. kansas city up to chicago. you have not had a lot of snow so far in chicago. this one looks to be your first significant plowable shovelable snow anywhere from 4 to 6in, and then that will head up through areas of michigan. the east coast with this one is going to be a wintry mess. even new york city, boston, hartford, a burst of snow, a little bit of ice, and then possibly even over to rain. so we'll have to watch it closely. and you notice the snow totals here. chicago, anywhere from 6 to 8in kansas city also. so, chris, a lot of people are starting to make their plans for spring break. and the storms like this are the reason why. >> bill karins thank you. yeah. no kidding. well, there is a brand new study out today, and it suggests a new approach to how we treat peanut allergies in some children. and it might be as simple as a spoonful of

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