>> date. >> pick. >> a cleaner, and enjoy a spotless house for $19. >> breaking news here at the end of our hour. nbc news is reporting a trump doj official ordering the dismissal of all charges against democratic new york city mayor eric adams, dismissed without prejudice as the plan. the official indicating the charges will be reviewed when then the doj has a us attorney confirmed the charges have not yet been dismissed. but that's our reporting, and it is another big development coming out of the federal government. that does it for the beat with ari melber tonight. thanks for watching. the reidout with joy reid starts now. hi, joy. >> thank you ari. it just goes to show. >> you that, you know. >> kissing up to trump. >> is a very. >> effective strategy for managing your legal trouble, your legal troubles.

>> that is very clear. >> they found each other? yeah. >> they did. they found, you know, and i was. >> going to have some fun and. >> let us give our scores. >> for the. >> kendrick lamar. >> halftime show, which. >> is clearly. >> tens all the way around. but we don't have time for that because we have to get to too much news. i appreciate you, ari. >> all i'll say, joy, is, as kendrick said, game over. >> thank you very much. >> cheers. >> thank you and all for joining us tonight. we have a lot. >> to get to in the next. >> hour of the reidout, including a federal judge ruling that the. >> trump. >> white house has violated his order to restore frozen federal funding, raising a big what if. >> what if donald. >> trump just decided. >> to, you know. >> just ignore that judge and other courts that. >> tell. >> him his. >> actions are illegal. >> and donald trump promised to lower grocery prices. he said, and i quote, when i win. >> i will immediately bring prices down. >> starting on day one. but they're still. >> rising. >> and he suddenly doesn't want to talk. >> about it anymore. but we begin tonight with waste. fraud and abuse. first the waste. the

interwebs. are buzzing over. >> the very expensive. >> new orleans mini vacay. co. president donald. >> trump. >> took to the super bowl yesterday. >> and yes. >> we will be discussing. >> how epic and. >> woke it. was later in the show. >> trump became. >> the first commander in. >> chief to attend. >> a game in person, something he took great. >> public pride. >> in and that you paid for since it cost. >> money to gas up. >> air force one and fill it with trump's family and political friends, which included house speaker mike johnson, who is from louisiana and maybe could have flown himself. but, you know, more fun to. >> ride on the taxpayer dime. >> which also includes the 700. federal employees, secret service agents and support teams who had to be added even before trump arrived to secure the superdome and guard the president and his party. what happened to reducing government spending? before the game, trump greeted players from the kansas city chiefs and predicted they would snag a three peat victory, after which they promptly lost badly. with patrick mahomes

getting sacked so many times, it was almost as if alabama senator tommy. tuberville didn't entirely. >> make up the idea. >> that he was the one who scouted him and actually coached him, and the entire chiefs offensive line, too. they were. >> that bad. >> so that's the waste. moving on to the fraud and abuse. late last week, elon musk's doge. gang infiltrated an ostensibly shut down another real federal agency, the consumer financial protection bureau, which protects you, the ordinary consumer, from predatory bankers and credit card companies. installing project 2025. architect and head of the office of management and budget russ vought as acting head of the agency. he promptly shut down agency headquarters and today told employees to stand down on performing any work task. weird that at the same time, doge is shutting down agencies, implementing speech codes and lists of banned words, and grabbing millions of americans private data. they also seem to be attacking agencies that

regulate elon musk's businesses. it turns out elon is looking to turn ex twitter from a mere nazi, posting free for all that he has to bully people to advertise on into a financial company that people can use to make purchases. as if anyone would sense would give him even more data than his youth tech bro army have already maybe taken. bloomberg reports that when four doge staffers showed. >> up late last week. >> at first they had what was described as read only access to a limited array of documents. then, late friday night, the doge staffers were granted access to all of cfpb's data systems, including sensitive bank examination and enforcement records, according to five people familiar with the matter. the report adds. musk has publicly mused about expanding into payment services since he first took control of x in 2022.

entering that business could bring cfpb oversight under rules the agency finalized in november. the records doge can now access would include sensitive and potentially competitive information. surprise, surprise at a protest outside the shuttered agency today, democratic senator elizabeth warren, who came up with the idea for the agency, called out elon's real motives. >> this is like a bank robber trying. to fire the. cops and turn. >> off. >> the alarms just before he strolls into the lobby. >> we are. here to fight back. >> meanwhile, the doge gang have also targeted other agencies that regulate elon's businesses, including the one investigating it for labor violations and discrimination claims and others investigating it for safety violations. and trump bragged on

fox that he next wants them to target the pentagon, which happens to have been investigating spacex. but, you know, yeah, i'm sure, i'm sure it's all about finding waste, fraud and abuse for the american taxpayer. no. yeah. take a deep breath for just a moment and ponder big balls and the normalized indian hate guy also taking control of the federal aviation administration, meaning they control airline safety alongside sean from the real world. boston. our transportation secretary, according to the washington post, part of the goal of this reorganization is to replace as many federal workers, humans as possible with ai and computers. if you enjoy automated customer service, you're going to absolutely love your new unified government. and while elon is working to make his life even easier, federal employees are being kept from doing their jobs. scores of u.s. aid employees showed up to work this morning after a federal judge blocked the musk administration

order that would have put thousands of them on administrative leave. unnamed officers positioned in front of the doors at the agency turned them all away, according to the associated press. one unnamed official told the staffers, just go and why are you here? the fact that the agency remains closed is a clear violation of that judge's order, which he left in effect pending a federal ruling, a final ruling, i should say, today. another judge just blocked musk's directive to halt funding for medical research grants that, again, the doj's gang have no authority to do. trump and musk remained defiant, however, extending their work stoppage order to the consumer financial protection bureau and to all all federal contractors. while the trump administration continues to ignore the law. musk's private staffers continue to access agencies with our data on them unfettered and unrestrained. the washington post is reporting that the aforementioned 19 year old musk minion, ed kirstein, who used to go by the name big balls online,

has a new role at the state department. according to the post, he's now a senior adviser with the state department's bureau of diplomatic technology, a critical hub for data both sensitive and non-sensitive. officials noted that his position at the technology bureau could give him a foothold for obtaining unauthorized access to classified material, and to compromising information on other countries and foreign activities. now, this is the point where i remind you that little mr. big balls was fired by a previous employer for leaking a data security firm's information to a competitor. joining me now is from capitol hill is nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard. i don't even know where to begin, but let me start where i ended. vaughn, we now have this barely out of teenager or teenage staffer having access to potentially classified data. we know that donald trump surreptitiously took home classified data, took it and put it in his bathroom. is there any way of finding out, or is there any reporting or any way of

understanding what these teenagers and young people may have taken? >> right. and to that point, joy, i'm also told that there's another young man in his early 20s who just one week ago sent a agency wide email to usaid informing all of the more than 10,000 employees that usaid headquarters in d.c. would be shut down. his name is gavin kliger, and i'm told that he is also a part of this state department team with the young man who goes by big balls. this is a moment here in which, almost three weeks into this administration, there has been a lack of transparency about the efforts taken on by these young men, but also the lawyers inside of these various agencies. the state department is the latest, but we know that they are now inside of the veterans affairs department. they're now inside of the pentagon and dod, of course, usaid and now the consumer financial protection bureau have effectively, their operations have been shut down by this administration. but all of this is coming to a head

here. as in the last 72 hours, there have been five federal judges that have independently ruled, essentially pausing efforts by elon musk, his d.o.j. team and the trump administration. >> i was listening to you earlier, talking to my dear friend ali velshi on a call show. and, you know, you pointed out and i think this is an important point, that j.d. vance, the vice president of the united states, essentially saying we're just going to do what we want and let the judges try to enforce their orders. that is hearkening back to andrew jackson, when he essentially defied judge's orders and removed indigenous people, i believe, the cherokee nation off of their land. so not a great precedent to associate oneself with. but what is the reporting? you're there on capitol hill. is there any outcry from republicans on the fact that essentially this administration has said we are acting as congress and we will ignore judges? >> i will say the joy, just so you're literally in the last hour is some republican lawmakers have been showing up to capitol hill to begin the

week. there have been a few senators, including the likes of josh hawley, who, and mike rounds, who told me very explicitly that, in fact, that if a judge makes a determination, a ruling, that it is up to the administration to follow that decision. there are other republicans, however, who have suggested they did interpret j.d. vance's tweet over the weekend in which he said, quote, judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. they were suggesting that we didn't understand it in the way that he so wrote it. and i think, i think, if i may, joy, i think we need to be very clear here that back in 2021, j.d. vance, before he was even a candidate for the us senate, appeared on a podcast in which he very explicitly said that in the scenario that the courts were to try to overrule their mass purge of a pending trump administration come 2025, that, in the words of andrew jackson, that if the supreme court wants to make that ruling, then they

should come and enforce it. and as you mentioned, that was andrew jackson's words after the supreme court ruled that the state of georgia was wrong to try to take the tribal lands of the cherokee nation. and yet, the advancement that we saw or the last 200 years, from that point in time to now, i think it was actually stephen breyer about 20 years ago, i think, put it into terms that were very specific, saying that our national history and a recognition by judges, lawyers and the public at large to what the norms of abiding by the rule of the courts and the law, that is what leads us here to this moment. and instead what you hear from jd vance in that 2021 podcast, in that social media post over this weekend, was a harkening back to the andrew jackson's view of the executive branch in the courts. >> now. something i think no one voted to go back to the 19th century. goodie. nbc's vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. last week, white house press

secretary caroline leavitt said that it would be up to the world's richest man, elon musk, to decide if he needs to excuse himself from work at the made up doge entity if it overlaps with his personal interests, which were awarded, according to reports, $3 billion across nearly 100 different contracts as of 2023 and account for at least $15.4 billion in government funding in the past decade. many of those companies were being investigated by inspectors general from at least five agencies that were promptly fired once trump took office. late today, trump removed the head of the government ethics office, an independent agency which works to prevent financial conflicts of interest in the executive branch. i wonder why they do that. let's bring in congressman robert garcia of california, a member of the house doge subcommittee. thank you so much, congressman. you're on this subcommittee. do you all have any oversight of these teenage and twentysomething doge

people who are taking americans data? >> well, we absolutely are going to be investigating it, and we should be looking at it. i mean, what's. >> happening right now. >> is complete insanity. >> you have. >> the world's. >> richest man. >> sending out his team. >> of kids. >> in some. >> in some cases. >> out there. >> in. >> all of our agencies manipulating. >> data, causing all sorts. >> of disruptions. >> and what's really, really i think. >> a critical moment right now that we're. >> in is that they. >> are doing. >> things that. >> are highly. >> illegal and unconstitutional. >> and so i think we've got to investigate it. we're going. >> to be bringing it up at our first. >> committee meeting, which is of course, this wednesday. and most importantly. >> we're going to. >> expose. >> continue to. >> expose elon musk and. >> the reason why he's. >> doing this. >> and we shouldn't. >> forget that. >> he is trying. >> as much as he. >> can to. >> destroy our. agencies so that he can get the. >> biggest tax. >> cut possible for. >> him and his. >> billionaire friends. >> is it just tax cuts? because it does seem to me that he's also looking to remove oversight of his businesses. i want to go back to the fact that he is trying to turn twitter into a

financial services company, like a paypal, where you can use it to make payments. that would be very convenient for him to do without a consumer financial protection board or with that bureau in the hands of his friend russ vought, because then he could, if he were to cheat people, if there were to be two people losing money. we've already seen lots of trump's own fans losing money on his meme coin. if he were to do something that defrauded the people who were using it, or people just lost money, there'd be no police. he's essentially saying he wants to run through the bank without any bank officers in the room. >> i mean, i think that's that's absolutely correct. >> and let's remember. >> also, you know, by destroying our institutions, he can. >> sell off or. >> privatize some of those to his friends. >> he himself can. >> take some of the operations of government and use that to even become richer. already the. >> richest man on. >> the. >> planet, manipulate that data and then use. >> his companies, which, by the. >> way. >> he is getting, as you know, more from the federal government. than any other person. from all the contracts and federal. >> contracts that he is getting through his companies. and at the. >> same time, he is not

required. >> to finance, essentially to not have any sort of his finances. >> out there in the public realm. >> and so he's not telling. >> the public what he's actually benefiting from. >> he continues to make. >> more and more money off of the federal government. and now he wants to either privatize. or himself wants to run some of these operations. >> and so. >> it's all incredibly concerning. but you're also going to. >> hear democrats. continue to. >> raise this. >> forcefully and aggressively in the doge subcommittee and. all across in different committees across. >> the congress. >> but to what end? i mean, they've already had more than 15 days to download the data. how would we even know if they've uploaded software, if they've put spyware, we just don't know what they've done with the data, where it is and if they've copied it. so if the american people's data is already potentially compromised, and again, the president of the united states is in the compromising classified documents business and is already a convicted felon. so if there are crimes going on, how would we even know if you all can't even subpoena elon musk and get some transparency?

>> well, that's right. and we try to subpoena elon. >> musk. >> as you know. and republicans, of course, rejected that. well, we're going. >> to we're going to. >> try everything possible. >> that we can. >> do to try to find out those answers, because i think it's incredibly important. we do know. that we're also incredibly concerned about foreign influence as it relates to elon musk and donald trump. and so not only. >> could our data be. >> actually weaponized. >> against us, manipulated. >> monetized, but it also could be given to foreign governments to. >> actually hurt us in our. >> national security. so it's all incredibly concerning. >> but we've. >> got to expose it. and i think what's really important. >> when we. >> have. >> these discussions. >> at our committees is that we treat this as the bar fight that it is, and bring every weapon available to us to fight. this is not a moment where we should be holding hands with. republicans or hoping. >> for. >> some sort of. bipartisan compromise. >> this is a time where we've got to bring the. >> fire every single. >> time. >> protests. every single place. >> where that. >> doge. team is at and. >> continue to call out elon musk for what he's trying to do, which is raid the federal

government. >> let me ask you this, because democrats are in the minority, so you have only so much leverage. have you all essentially made it clear to mike johnson that until they allow you all to subpoena big balls and the normalized indian hate guy, at least subpoena them or, and or subpoena elon musk, no votes on the budget, no votes, no democratic votes at all to keep government open. that is leverage democrats have, theoretically. right. are you all prepared to use it? >> look, i think i think we're very prepared. >> to use. >> all of our leverage. and i think that, look, leader jeffries is in those conversations right now. i'm personally not interested in giving republicans any votes for absolutely anything until we get actual answers and protect the american people's public data and data that people are trusting us to have. and so i think we've got to continue to do those efforts and continue to shut down their meetings. >> i mean, this just a few days. >> ago, we were at the department of labor with the doge team, was actually on. its way to that meeting. but there were so many people there surrounding the building. >> that they. canceled their

meetings. >> so we've got to continue to show up, to call it out, to. protest and commit not to work with elon musk, the doge committee, or any of these republicans. >> i would love you to come back, because i'd also like to know how members of congress can enter a federal building. that actually makes absolutely no sense to me. and we need to keep talking about this because none of this makes any sense. congressman robert garcia, thank you very much. and up next, right now, it does feel like the courts are our only hope for reining in trump and musk's power grab. but what happens if the white house just ignores the orders? jd vance has suggested they should do just that. a terrifyingly autocratic idea that we will dive into after the dangerous ladders. gutter muck. that we will dive into after the break. yuck. no wonder you hate cleaning your gutters. good thing there's leaffilter. our patented filter technology keeps leaves and debris out of your gutters forever. guaranteed. call 833- leaffilter to get started. and get the permanent gutter solution that ends clogs for good. they took the time to answer all of our questions. they really put us at ease.

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frankly be allowed to make that kind of a decision. it's a disgrace. >> yeah. they should. musk took to his social media, calling for the judge to be impeached and for congress to get involved. and then there was james david, a person who has a law degree from yale but who nonetheless suggested that judges, in fact, do not have any jurisdiction over the executive branch. vance posted, if a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal if a judge tried to command the attorney general and how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that's also illegal. judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. you know what, actually, james? david, that's literally that's literally what judges do. and today, for the first time in trump's second administration, a federal judge has accused the trump administration of defying a court order for not restoring federal funding to programs following the judge's order last month that halted trump's sweeping federal funding freeze. now, to underscore the seriousness of this. u.s. district judge john mcconnell began his order by citing a supreme court case that says

persons who make private determinations of the law and refuse to obey an order generally risk criminal contempt, even if that order is ultimately ruled incorrect. i'm joined now by jill wine-banks, former assistant, watergate special prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst and co-host of the sisters in law podcast. jill, i got to tell you, nixon is in his grave being like, why didn't i think of that? just ignoring judge's orders. what happens if donald trump simply says, you know what, i don't care what you say, judge. i ain't doing it. >> you know. >> unfortunately, when it was said that. >> the courts. don't have an. >> army, it's true. they don't. but they. >> do have the will of the people. and really, it was the power of the people. >> that got. >> richard nixon. >> to comply. >> he said, i'm. >> not turning over those tapes, and i'm firing the special counsel. >> and he would. >> have gotten away. with it, except. >> three days. >> later, he had to reverse

himself because. >> people rose. >> in protest. and in those days. >> it was bags. >> of mail. >> that. >> came in. >> actual like with a. stamp on. >> it. >> that was. >> sent, and the post office was carrying. >> huge sacks. >> of mail to our office. >> and. >> to the white. >> house, and he knew that he couldn't. >> withstand the. political pressure. >> so he in three days reversed and said, okay, i'll. >> appoint a new special counsel and. >> i. >> will give you the tapes. so it. >> is the power. >> of the people that we're going to have to rely on. it's i was so proud of the aba today, the american bar association. >> which never. >> takes a. >> partizan position, did not take a partizan position. but they. >> said, we. >> believe in the rule of law and we are watching the devastation of the rule of law. >> that's what's. >> been. >> happening for. >> the last. >> three weeks. and i can. >> only hope that all the. >> lawyers in. >> this. >> country will. >> rise in protest. >> that all voters. democrat. >> republican.

>> independent. >> they all have to rise up and say, we are. >> a democracy. as you pointed out, we have three branches of government. and they the separation of powers. is important. the balance. >> of. >> power is important, and that's what's being ignored. well, so here's here's the challenge. i mean, look, i mean, joe biden, who knew right, when he was pushed back by the courts on his student loan forgiveness, could have said, i don't care. i'm just going to go ahead and send the money to the 40 million people. every time that he was brushed back, he had to find some new way of doing it. so it doesn't work for. i think that people see the asymmetry. jill. this is the problem, right? that when democrats come in, they play by the rules and they're all queens. mark marky mark, marquess of queensberry rules. when republicans come in, they say, we don't care about the rules and there really is no penalty. and here's the other thing. you everyone, you want people to rise up and defend th, the authority of the courts. john roberts is the one who told trump he was the king. john roberts is the one who said that the president should be able to act boldly. john roberts created this monster, and now john roberts wants us to defend his

authority. i'm not so sure that americans feel that they need to defend john roberts and clarence and them authority. >> i think. >> the court. >> is going. >> to come to recognize that its. >> authority relies on. >> people accepting their authority, and that. >> their approval rating is. so far down, and it's going to sink further if they. >> do not step. >> up and say, for example, they have to confirm that the 14th amendment means birthright citizenship is a real thing. it's part of our constitution. if they don't say congress. >> has the power of the purse. >> and they. >> passed a law. >> the. >> impoundment law. >> as a result of richard nixon abusing his power. they passed a law that says the president cannot stop. >> spending of. monies appropriated. >> by congress. >> that's who. >> belongs to do it. he is doing. >> what is. >> not allowed under the

constitution or under the impoundment act, and someone the courts are going to have to stop it. there is now a judge who has said, prove to me that you are. not disobeying my court order. come in and show me that you're not. and the. >> worst part of. >> this joy is that there is a legitimate way that he could. >> make the. >> change to. >> government that he wants. >> he controls the white house. the house. >> and the. senate and. >> the supreme court. all he has to do is go to congress and say, i want to eliminate certain departments. i want to create. remember, he hasn't really created doge. he's renamed an existing. right. there isn't. and they don't have the power. and this. isn't even a legitimate appointed person who's. >> been vetted. this is. a person who has. >> obviously got a conflict of interest, who the white house says, oh, well, he'll decide if he needs to recuse himself on certain things. no. >> that's not. >> how. >> it works. >> the conflict of interest requires neutral arbiters. but

here's the problem. i mean, first of all, donald trump is very sensitive to public opinion. i'm sure if people rose up against him, he would change his mind. but he is the one in hock to elon musk, not the other way around. elon musk doesn't care about public opinion, right? so i think those are some of the challenges. but donald trump is sensitive to thinking that he also is sensitive to flattery. which brings me to my other story here, which is that eric adams, the mayor of new york, was being looked at for some federal potential crimes that's being dropped. and all he had to do was praise and suck up to donald trump. we now are in sort of a king george the third situation, isn't it, that all it takes to relieve yourself of your legal burdens is to kiss trump's generous behind, and that's it. and it doesn't matter, as long as you are saying that the election was stolen and that january 6th was a loving day, you can kind of commit any crime you want. rod blagojevich was also getting out because he was on the apprentice. so you can commit any crimes you want, but seeking a dismissal, it hasn't been dropped yet. sorry. they're seeking a dismissal. i got ahead

of myself. yeah, i think that it's pretty obvious that he was sucking up and that that's the reason. but i think it's again. it's up to voters to throw. >> out the bums. >> to put in place people who will. abide by the rule of law. >> impeachment is. >> still a possibility. although in this divided. country it's not realistic. in the old days, where there was bipartisan support for impeachment, it was possible they well, you know, it's going to get. >> to. >> the point where their constituents are going to say, this is really hurting me. what happened to the price of eggs i can't buy? first of all, you can't even find them. the stores are denuded of eggs, so you couldn't get them. even if you could afford to pay $12 for a dozen or. but yeah, my friend, we have to go. but i'll tell you. or somebody needs to sit samuel alito down and say, what if the american people said, you take your little dobbs ruling and we're going to ignore that,

and we're going to act as if abortion is still legal? you enforce that, buddy, and let's see if the supreme court likes it when the other side says, we don't respect your rulings because, you know, it can go either way. tell me your pin before we go. it's justice, lady. >> justice with. >> a rule. >> of. >> law, a book that is a legal book. let's hope we can get back to that. it's what we really. really need. and i am counting on the minority in the supreme court to convince the majority that the end of our democracy is in sight if they don't change their mind, and i think they will see that that is what's going to happen. they love their authority. john roberts loves to think he's in charge. and if suddenly it turns out that trump will have to listen to him, maybe that will convince him. jill wine-banks, thank you very much. up next, trump ran on lowering gas prices or lowering prices in general, which we just discussed. but surprise, surprise, they're actually rising. in his latest

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while also trying to rewrite history by punishing any government or law enforcement official involved in investigating his attempt to overthrow the government. there is a massive maga grift going on. while much of america is distracted. this, while the price of basically everything keeps rising. remember, trump mainly won on the economy, right? he won on the groceries. >> i won on two things the border and more than immigration. you know, they like to say immigration. i break it down more to the border. but i won on the border and i won on groceries. it's very simple word groceries, like almost, you know who uses the word? i started using the word the groceries. and i won an election. based on that, we're going to bring those prices way down. >> i think he genuinely thinks he invented the word groceries. okay, that was then. yet in the weeks since his inauguration, we have seen the groceries and all the other prices increasing almost across the board. according to a data assembly index, meal solutions, the meal

services for ready to eat options are up 4.4%, baking items up 2.8%, candy gum 6.2 grain beans and pasta up 2.2%. egg prices, which we are making a point to track here on the show, are now more expensive than at any point in the last decade. it's gotten to the point where even fox is asking him about it, and he's going to have to do better than giving total non-sequiturs if and when they keep it up. >> so if all goes to plan, when do you think families will be able to feel prices going down, groceries, energy? or are. >> you kind of. >> saying to them. >> hang on. >> inflation may get worse until it gets better? >> no, i think we're going to become a rich look. we're not that rich right now. we owe $36 trillion. that's because we let all these nations take advantage of us. same thing, like 200 billion. with canada, we owe 300. we have a deficit with mexico of $350 billion. i'm not going to do that. i'm not going to let that happen. >> joining me now is ron insana,

cnbc senior analyst and ceo of i fi dot i am. ron, let me just put this chart up here. eggs up 78.6 points baby. formula is up. candy gum meal solutions. beverages. everything is more expensive. why? >> well we still. >> have a sticky inflation problem from. >> from the last many years. now, eggs in particular. i mean, you can't blame president biden. and quite frankly, you can't blame president trump. we have caused 140. >> million. >> chickens since the bird flu outbreak started in 2022. so this is where things get kind of sticky in explaining inflation. >> some of. >> it comes as a result of the pandemic and the working through that. we had to go of the disruption. >> of supply chains. >> some has to do with the fed being maybe overly stimulative, the government spending a lot of money. and so prices, generally speaking, are about 20%. >> above where they were in 2019. >> but to date, this president has not kept his promise to lower prices in any way, shape

or form. and in fact, if he imposes tariffs, as has been discussed and now implemented, that could. raise the price even. further of consumer goods anywhere from anything from houses to cars to aluminum foil. now that we have tariffs on steel and aluminum that were signed into executive. >> order today. >> right. >> and we know that china is trying to call you that. china has imposed reverse tariffs back on us. so now we're in a little tariff mini tariff war with china. he did back down after getting literally nothing in return from it's not me from canada and mexico. so he did back down on that. but if tariffs are not going to help bring down the cost of things, let's talk about mass immigration or, you know, if you are mass and, you know, getting people out of the country, right. he wants to deport mass deportation. does that lower the price of groceries? >> it doesn't really. >> lower the price. >> of anything. in fact, it would probably raise the price of labor insofar as we already have a very low birth rate. we have 10,000 people turning 65

every day and will until 2030. so people are both aging out of the labor force and not coming in as quickly as we had hoped. immigration has actually improved the size of the labor. force over the last several years, and held wage inflation in check, kept the labor force relatively healthy, and has been a damper on inflation to a certain degree. so no, that wouldn't help if we saw 8 to 20 million immigrants, whether they're documented or undocumented, removed from the united states, that would have a severe impact on the size of the labor force and would exacerbate. inflationary pressures in the us economy. >> so, you know, if we weren't having tech problems, i would ask you if owning canada and invading panama and also greenland and maybe owning gaza would also bring down the price of groceries, i suspect you'd probably say no. >> yeah. probably not. >> i mean, you know, this economists like to use an expression, all other things being equal. so if we had access to mineral riches and greenland and if we had free transit through the panama canal, not that this would benefit

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>> joy, you are so right. and you said it was. >> you know. >> the biggest stage, it really was. and it felt like not. >> only music's. >> biggest night. >> but also. >> culture's biggest night. >> you think about the nfl. >> the nfl. >> is comprised. >> of, like. primarily black players. >> more than 75% of the. >> players are black players. it was. >> only fitting that kendrick lamar showed up and he showed out. >> i don't think anybody. >> thought that that. performance would be. >> as brave. >> as bold, as fearless, as unapologetically black as it was. and i. >> think that all the. >> sort of, you know, noise that we're hearing right now in the. conversations that he sparked are absolutely incredible. yeah, we're looking at serena williams, who crip walked to. they're not like us. you see sam jackson being basically a send up of his character, right? i'm sorry. he was he was he was sort of playing his character from django unchained, right? that was the bad guy in django. so. and even the prison uniforms, the white, red, white and blue prison uniforms that the dancers had on, like talking about the

prison industrial complex and forming an american flag is so many symbols. >> so many symbols. and think about serena williams. you mentioned her how she was crip walking. she's one. >> of the. >> highest paid athletes, one of the highest paid. >> folks to perform that. perform through us or for us. >> via sport. >> samuel l. >> jackson folks. >> don't know. >> he is. currently the. >> highest grossing actor of all time. >> he makes 247. he's made $247 billion so. >> far at the box office. >> they have a lot to risk. >> being a part of this performance. >> but also. >> a lot to say. >> as folks who had to. perform for all these. >> years in front of audiences. >> but who have all. >> these feelings. out that they. >> kind of want to get out. >> to me. >> it was so provocative, the symbolism of the, you. >> know. >> folks formed in the american flag. thinking about how black men, you know, who were slaves and really helped create that, you. >> know, formation of. >> this. >> country and. >> the infrastructure. >> there was just so much symbolism. >> it was. >> intricate and profound. >> and i think. >> one of the best halftime. >> shows that we've really seen. i agree. i mean, the stage was like it was sort of a send up to like a prison yard at one point.

it was a video game console. i mean, it was so innovative. but i also want to talk about the commercials, because what actually surprised me, i was kind of expecting that all of corporate america had walked back from any kind of wokeness in terms of their ads, because they're all like, no, i, i'm sorry, but the commercials were like, girl power, look at this little girl with her potato. empower women. empower senior women. what was going on with these commercials? >> there have been so many. studies that. >> have. come out from the mckinsey group that show. >> that these companies. >> make billions of. dollars by being inclusive. culture is woke. >> and i think the. >> society wants dni, you know, corporate america might be backing away because of trump. >> but at the end of the. >> day, this. >> is what sells. i mean, kendrick lamar was chosen. >> to be the halftime. >> act for a reason. hip hop is driving. >> culture not just here in this country. >> but around. >> the world, across the pond. it's happening. so having that inclusion, that diversity. >> is catering. >> to a. >> younger audience who's actually going out. >> and buying these products. >> they're the ones. that are. >> making these companies very wealthy. and dni or.

>> dei is what really does drive the dollar. i mean, they're going to say what they have to say and take the knee to donald trump in order to appease him. but they still want to sell dolls. they still want to sell clothes, they still want to sell their products. and the village people performing for trump is not going to do it. right wing culture is not hot. it's just, you know, they may have the presidency, but they don't have the culture. it's just not it's not hot. sorry, village. not at all. >> and i think that what kendrick said. >> in the beginning. >> the revolution will not be televised. >> you pick the right. time and. >> the wrong guy. to me, that was the. >> whole. >> you know. performance and. >> the whole, you. >> know. >> commercials, all. >> of it. the revolution was. >> televised last. >> night, period. >> and it was not just a diss to drake. it was so much bigger than that. y'all who are saying that it's just about drake, you're missing it. you missed it. you missed it. but chris never misses it. chris witherspoon, my friend, thank you very much. now, there was one particular super bowl related story that we just had related story that we just had to save dry eyes still feel gritty, rough, or tired? with miebo, eyes can feel

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