be cause for panic. >> it's a combination of a coincidental rash of accidents, coupled with a huge, heightened sense of sensitivity on the public. >> now, this crash comes just weeks before motley crew is set to begin their residency in las vegas. and in a now deleted post, the crew posted that they will announce ways to help support the family of the person who died. ana. >> dana griffin, thank you for that reporting. and that does it for us today. i'll see you back here tomorrow. same time, same place. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from new york. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now. >> good morning. 11 a.m. eastern, 8 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin with the brewing power struggle between the executive and the judicial branches of our government. president trump is

now doubling down in the wake of legal pushback he's been facing. just yesterday, a federal judge said the white house failed to comply with a previous ruling that halted the freeze of federal money. all this as another judge. a federal judge extended the freeze on the president's plan to get millions of federal workers to resign until he rules on a preliminary injunction, but the president insists he is cracking down on government waste. writing on social media earlier today. quote, now certain activists and highly political judges want us to slow down or stop losing. this momentum will be very detrimental to finding the truth. joining us now, nbc's garrett hake. matthew dowd, chief strategist for the bush-cheney 2004 presidential race. and tom dupree, former deputy assistant attorney general under george w bush. garrett, there have been more than 40 lawsuits now against the trump administration on a different number of his

executive orders. how are officials inside the white house treating this pushback they're getting from the courts. and more added every. >> day, perhaps. >> even every hour. jose, i think these lawsuits have become perhaps the most effective brake on the trump administration, because even if they ultimately these plaintiffs ultimately lose, they are at least slowing down elements of the trump agenda. and that's the way the white house looks at it, that these are speed bumps. they believe that they will ultimately win. most of these cases, though, especially the ones that they say deal with executive authority that should rightly be used by the executive. and while there may be an individual district court judges who disagree with their assessment, they think through the appeals process. even if it takes getting to the supreme court, they'll ultimately win. but there is frustration inside this building that the elements of the president's agenda aren't able to move as quickly as he wants, particularly when it comes to reshaping the federal government through doge and elon musk and those other efforts that are really testing exactly

how far the executive can go in controlling what goes on here in official washington. >> yeah, i mean, tom, how do you see this? i mean, what do you define as a constitutional crisis? and is that what we're seeing now? >> well, i don't think we've quite reached that point yet. look, there is always going to be some tension between an executive that attempts to exert his power, especially with the new administration and getting pushback from the courts. we saw that under all presidents, under obama, under biden and the first trump administration, we're seeing it now. i think the real question will be what happens when, as seems inevitable, the president loses a lot of these cases? will he comply with the orders or will he refuse to comply? i think if we're in a world where he's refusing to comply, then at that point i would say there are serious constitutional concerns raised. traditionally, the way we resolve these disputes under our legal system is you may not like the decision of a judge, but that doesn't give you an excuse not to comply with his or her order. rather, what you do is you challenge that on appeal. you go all the way up to the

supreme court if necessary. but at the end of the day, you abide by the rulings of the federal courts. >> yeah. i mean, tom, in response to some of these legal obstacles, vice president jd vance posted on social media, judges are not allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. how do you see it and what is the executive's legitimate power vis a vis the courts? >> well, i think the executive's legitimate power does fall. there is a core and the vice president is right. there is a core universe of executive power, such as conducting military operations that judges shouldn't get involved in. and i think he's right there. but in the event the judges disagree, in the event, the judges issue a ruling that the president thinks infringes on his power. as i said a minute ago, the remedy lies in appealing that decision, fighting your way to the supreme court to get a definitive ruling. it does not rely or does not end in simply declining to follow what the court is telling you to do. >> yeah, matthew, i mean, recent polling shows that this one by cbs news that over half of

adults approve of the president's job performances so far, and 7 in 10 say he is doing what he promised during the campaign. how is this playing outside of washington? >> well. >> i mean, i'm not surprised. >> at that because i don't think that his. >> actions as of yet have filtered down to the sort of average voter that says, how is my life been negatively impacted by what is going on? i mean, obviously, all of us can have a discussion about what this means for our constitution and for our democracy. but until that filters down in that, i think the president is following through, which many people think is a bad thing, that he's following through on all the things that he he warned us about that he was going to do in the course of this. but i think as of right now, until it really negatively impacts and not just a warning that it could happen, but it actually happens to the voters. i think he's going to maintain those numbers, and he's really bolstered in those numbers by that. 93% of

republicans approve of donald trump today, which is an amazing number to have. it's higher than it was in his first term, even with all the things he's done related to the constitution and executive power. and what. >> do you think that's do? what do you why do you think that number is where it is? >> well, i think we're at a time where we, you know, and the conversation i think is really important on whether or not we're in a constitutional crisis right now, which is i agree with tom, we're not there yet, but i think we're in a constitutional rot situation. and the constitutional rot situation, which means pillars of our democracy and our constitution are decaying and have decayed, been decaying for a long time. the problem is the polarization that exists in the united states. and what is developed is this ends justify the means approach to the republican party and the thought that they are abdicating any responsibility on checks and balances and advice and consent in the senate, and actually approving people that are objectively not competent to

be running certain departments in here and who wholly may be unfit in character in this. and as we have that that sort of attitude of republican officials has filtered down to voters, which is it doesn't matter what happens in, you know, with with these sorts of things, we're going to get what we want, no matter who is hurt, no matter what is punished, and no matter the effects on our constitution. but i would say that we're in a moment today that has been it doesn't happen overnight. it's a long time in coming when these pillars of our democracy have been deteriorating, deteriorating, deteriorating. we just so happen to have a president who's willing to take advantage of that. >> yeah, i want to bring in ashley parker, staff writer at the atlantic. ashley, it's great to see you. what do you think this back and forth between the white house and some of the federal courts? tell us about how the administration sees itself and its ability to use and to the executive authority given to it to govern. >> well, the administration clearly sees itself as above the

judicial branch. and if you look at some of these quite explicit comments that president trump and vice president vance are making, they they are not necessarily, you know, maybe with one exception, where where the judge has ruled that they were not abiding by his order to help to halt the freeze of federal funds. they have not yet run roughshod over rulings they've disagreed with, but they are very publicly in terms of their messaging, setting the stage to potentially do as much and sort of priming the american electorate and certainly their base to say, why do judges have all this power? a judge shouldn't be able to, you know, tell the executive what we can or cannot do. these judges are activists. and so, again, they are laying the ground. we don't know quite what they will do, but they are very clearly laying the groundwork to potentially disregard some of these rulings, at least from the lower courts, that they disagree with and kind of say, well, who is jd? vance

said, you know, the judges ruled, are the judges going to enforce it? so try to stop me. and that is what they're very clearly, overtly messaging right now. >> yeah. and then no doubt that the term, you know, magistrates that are not working only on judicial principles but have political aspirations or at least underpinnings, is something that we've been hearing for the longest time. matthew, i'm just wondering about when you're talking about the whole political rot and the, the, the constitutional rot, you know, this is something that we've been saying and seeing, i should say for, for years now. >> yeah, it's decades in the making. i mean, you could trace it back in time, could add to this, but you could trace it back to the sort of war powers act that that there's been an assertion of executive power over the last 50 years or so, and there hasn't been enough pushback by the congress and the and the senate and the house to say no, that's too far on executive powers because of

polarization, because of partizanship. they basically support a president if he does what they want him to do in the course of this. and now we've reached the point where we're not even having separation of powers. the senate, the republicans and the senate seem to just say, you can do whatever you want. we're not even going to fulfill our role. and the checks and balances that has existed that tried to prevent this. and many of our founders warned about this more than 200 years ago. the proliferation of executive orders, which i think has gotten out of hand and is way too much of an assertion of executive power in the course of this, and it's step by step, by step by step. and there wasn't enough pushback along the way over the last 20, 30, 40 years to sort of stop a president. and you have somebody like donald trump who arrives back in the oval office, who is willing to take advantage of the cracks that we have in those pillars. and if he takes, as tom said, if it goes too far, those pillars are going to fall. and with our constitutional democracy could end up in ruins. >> yeah. i mean, tom, the issue

of the executive orders, and if you look back in history, you know, executive orders have been utilized to create all kinds of things, even departments that later become part of the national, i guess, you know, reality. i'm just wondering, tom, i'm thinking a lot about, for example, like when president obama had to deal with, he created daca. and that was immediately challenged in the courts that was able to survive, even though today, as we speak, that is a program that is threatened. but he wasn't able to fulfill his creation of dapa because that was stopped. and so i'm just wondering, tom, you know, where do court rulings and executive decisions eventually clash? >> yeah, and it is interesting. and matthew is absolutely right

that there has been a gradual increase in presidents looking to executive orders to enact policy, rather than through the old fashioned process of passing legislation through congress. they're doing it because we're obviously in a politically gridlocked situation where congress, for whatever reason, has not been exercising its institutional responsibility to legislate. and presidents of all stripes, all parties love executive orders because they can just do something and enact policy with the stroke of a pen. that's why it's so attractive to them. and in fact, just speaking kind of from a conservative perspective, one of the real protections that conservatives had against executive overreach under biden and obama were the federal courts who would step in and say, look, we may or may not like this as a policy matter, mr. president, but you can't enact this through executive order. and so i think that's one of the real questions that we're going to see unfold in the next year or two is whether courts continue to exercise their historical oversight role of policing and reining in executive branch overreach.

>> garrett hake, ashley parker, matthew dowd and tom dupree, thank you so very much. really appreciate our conversation. up next, why the justice department just moved to drop federal charges against new york city mayor eric adams. plus, fed chair jerome powell testifying on capitol hill right now about the health of the economy as president trump jumpstarts his trade war. and the president about to meet with the king of jordan for talks over gaza. what the president says he'll do if that nation refuses to take in palestinians. we're back in 90s. you're watching jose diaz-balart you're watching jose diaz-balart reports on msnbc. baby: liberty! mom: liberty mutual is all she talks about since we saved hundreds by bundling our home and auto insurance. baby: liberty! biberty: hey kid, it's pronounced "biberty." baby: liberty! biberty: biberty! baby: liberty! biberty: biberty! baby: liberty! biberty: bi-be-rty! baby: biberty! biberty: and now she's mocking me. very mature. mom: hey, that's enough you two! biberty: hey, i'm not the one acting like a total baby. mom: she's two.

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official. the mayor's attorney said in a statement that, quote, despite a lot of fanfare and sensational claims, ultimately there was no evidence presented that he broke any laws ever. nbc's ken dilanian is with us this morning. ken. good morning. the case isn't dismissed yet. so what happens next? >> good morning jose. >> well, main. >> justice in the form of. emil bove, the acting. >> deputy attorney general, has ordered the prosecutors in the southern district of new york. to dismiss this case. >> it will be up to them to decide whether to carry out that order. some may choose to resign. they, by all accounts, believe strongly in this case. they feel like there was a lot of evidence that eric adams. traded favors. >> from the turkish. >> government for official action. but this is much bigger than eric adams. jose. it's just it's almost it's difficult for me to communicate what an earthquake of a story this is in justice department circles because this is not done. this is the justice department's political leadership coming in and ordering line prosecutors to

drop a properly predicated indictment of a high prominent public official, not because of any weakness in the case or the facts in the law. they lay that out in the memo. they're doing it because they're concerned that it's that it falls under what they call weaponization of the justice system. let me just read you one excerpt of the memo that the acting deputy attorney general sent. he said it cannot be ignored that mayor adams criticized the prior administration's immigration policies before charges were filed. and the former u.s. attorney's public actions created appearances of impropriety. now, that's a judgment. there's really no evidence that politics tainted this case at all. but that is the judgment of the political leaders of the trump department of justice. we don't know if the president had any role in this decision, but we do know that it's causing reverberations across the legal community. jose. >> yeah, ken, i mean, the mayor of new york has been, i guess, from day one, been saying that that's part of what he thinks caused this, you know, department of justice at the

time to through the southern district of new york to file these charges. he says that he went to the white house and that there was a back and forth. et cetera. et cetera. but is this the end of it? i mean, you're saying that it's unprecedented. can the justice department indeed order a prosecution to be canceled? and number two, is there anything that could come of it in the future? >> they absolutely can order that this prosecution be dropped. and it's just it's up to people in the southern district of new york to carry out that order or resign. at some point, someone will do it, presumably. jose. and your other question is a really interesting one, because the memo says that this case should be dismissed without prejudice. and that means the charges can be refiled at any time. and the memo also says that the. when a us attorney at trump appointed u.s. attorney is confirmed in new york, that person will review the evidence in this case. so what does that do that that that creates a pall over the mayor of new york. he knows now that he could be charged at any time by

the trump justice department. he is essentially beholden to them. and they said explicitly in the memo that there's no quid pro quo here. he has not agreed to help them, for example, with immigration enforcement in new york. but they also said one of the reasons they were doing this is because he lost his security clearance, and they want him to be able to cooperate with federal law enforcement actions in new york. so a complicated situation that's raising a lot of questions. jose. >> ken dilanian, thank you very much. really appreciate it. we're also keeping a close eye at this hour on capitol hill, where federal reserve chairman jerome powell is testifying right now before a senate committee about the health of the economy. it's his first time appearing before lawmakers since president trump took office and restarted his trade war. the president could announce reciprocal tariffs on every country as soon as today. it comes one day after he imposed a 25% tariff on steel and aluminum imports. president trump said this about the potential impact of the tariffs on consumers. >> i want to have tariffs

separately from that on steel, on autos, on semiconductors and chips and probably pharmaceuticals. and you're not worried that any of that's. >> going to go back to the consumer. >> it might but it's ultimately going to be much less expensive. >> with us now cnbc's christina partsinevelos. christina, it's great seeing you. so what will these new tariffs mean for consumers? and there seems to be a series of waves of terrorists, right? >> yeah, definitely. >> which leaves a lot. >> of businesses. >> in limbo. >> so the move. >> really is aimed at strengthening domestic. production by making. >> foreign materials. more expensive for american buyers. >> these metals. >> these metals, i should. >> say. >> are critical for. >> cars. >> electronic appliances. >> home building materials, even. >> drink packaging. >> and so economists warn that the tariff risk really could raise. >> household expenses, such. >> as your groceries or gasoline. and that's. because manufacturers would. >> essentially pass on the higher cost to consumers. >> and that could potentially raise the very inflationary pressures that the president campaigned against. but on his

side, administration officials. counter that these levies are just part. >> of a. >> broader economic strategy, including extended tax cuts and expanded domestic energy production, which would eventually help lower costs overall. but that could take. >> time. >> thank you so very much. appreciate it. up next, a deadly collision at an arizona airport involving a plane belonging to motley crue singer vince neil. we've got new details next. we've got new details next. you're watching jose d with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, can come and go. but if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there. if you have one or more symptoms, get checked out. making that appointment can help you get ahead of stroke risk. this is no time to wait.

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i would say cancel it and all bets are off and let hell break out. >> joining us now from tel aviv is nbc's yasmin vossoughian. yasmin. so how are both sides reacting to the president's comments? >> i think it's incredibly complicated to break down, jose, because i think, for instance, when you talk to some israelis, they feel as if this is just bluster from president trump. this is his way as a former real estate magnate and now current president of the united states, of negotiating and saying that all hell will break loose if they don't hand over the hostages. there are some people that feel as if this is adding fuel to the fire, which is what we heard essentially from hamas both overnight and this morning as well, saying quote unquote. and i'm paraphrasing here that he is complicating the issue that both sides need to abide by the cease fire deal and hamas essentially saying, and again, paraphrasing here, that they're using this as a bargaining chip. i think it's important to

understand and to remind folks that this is really the only chip that they have, which is the hostages, hence why they're saying bring us more humanitarian aid, and then maybe we can talk about getting more of those hostages out. we also know from the security cabinet meeting that was convened by prime minister benjamin netanyahu this morning. according to local media reports of four hours of ongoing talks between them, two major things coming out of those meetings. one is reinforcing the borders in gaza. the other is reinforcing what president trump is saying. essentially, all hell will break loose if they don't turn over those hostages. i actually spoke to some israelis in hostage square earlier today to talk about this sentiment. we're hearing from president trump what they think of it. here is one woman i spoke to. >> i think that the hamas need someone to speak to them like trump, but because this is the language that they understand it. this is what they

understand. but i don't think that this is going to happen. the word is very, very. >> complicated. >> complicated. >> and that is why i use the word complicated, because she is not the only person that i have heard this from. and having kind of these mixed emotions as to the reactions that are coming from hamas, announcement of indefinitely postponing the release of these hostages. so again, this is kind of a wait and see moment. and of course, an incredibly important meeting happening in washington today between king abdullah of jordan and president trump, integral to maintaining this cease fire deal going forward. jose. >> yasmin vossoughian in tel aviv, thank you very much. and joining us now, ambassador dennis ross, msnbc foreign affairs analyst, counselor at the washington institute for near east policy and former special assistant to president obama. ambassador, it's great seeing you. you've been part of negotiations of all kinds for years. what's your reaction to

president trump's tactical move saying all hell is going to break loose if the remaining hostages aren't released by saturday? >> well. >> a, it's not out of character for him. these are this is, in a sense, how he chooses to negotiate. >> he will make. >> very tough, open ended statements, and he hopes others will, in a sense, be cowed by it and will respond because of it. sometimes that works with hamas. the issue, i think, is what has what can be done now that hasn't been done already. if you, according to president trump, the place is already completely a disaster area, which, by the way, is true. so what more is going to be done at this point? that is going to be a threat to them. the israelis have been on the ground there for over 15 months. they've certainly inflicted a terrible military defeat on hamas. but hamas

hasn't disappeared any more than isis disappeared in terms of our being able to militarily defeat them. this is certainly maybe a message less to hamas and maybe more to egypt and to qatar to use their influence with hamas, because things could even get worse if they don't. so i'm i view this more as kind of messaging or leverage applied to those who might have influence hamas. i don't think it's the way you influence hamas. yes. it's true. the only thing hamas may understand is force. but force has been a has been applied to them for the last 16 months, and they're not the same organization. they don't have the same kind of military capability, but they're still controlling gaza. and that's the problem. we want an outcome in gaza, where gaza can be reconstructed without hamas control. that should be the objective. >> is that objective even

possible? and i'm just thinking, and, you know, you're raising some such interesting points that are you know, i think oftentimes it's just so people tend to look at things so black and white and there's so much gray. and i'm just wondering, ambassador, first of all, i don't know how you can eliminate hamas from gaza. you know, and then, well, what language does hamas understand? >> i think they only understand force. they want to survive. there's a difference between eliminating hamas, which i don't think is possible. as i said, i use the isis analogy. we defeated isis. they were also pushed out of raqqa, but they didn't disappear. we're still in syria because of that. we're still in iraq because of that. so the issue there are choices here. israel can stay in gaza and face a continuing insurgency

at a high price, and there'll be no reconstruction of gaza. israel can leave gaza without an alternative, in which case you'll leave a vacuum in. hamas will come back, or israel as part of an understanding with a number of arab states. arab states will go in with maybe some international backing and create an interim administration for, say, two years in which palestinians will be a part of it. you reform the palestinian authority, they create administration, law and order. they assume responsibility for security. under those circumstances, you can create an alternative to hamas. he won't disappear, but hamas is at that point will not find it so easy to resist that. is that a perfect solution? no, because there are no perfect solutions here. but the point is, you have to look at this in terms of what the real alternatives are. if you want to rebuild gaza, it has to be built on a formula of

reconstruction for demilitarization. you have to have an administration that excludes hamas, that creates arabs coming in with security forces. hamas may decide, okay, we'll acquiesce in that and bide our time, and maybe we can come back. but the key here will be making sure there can be no smuggling, no diversion of materials, cut off the monies to hamas. and over time, hamas will basically shrivel. but the notion that you can eliminate hamas, it's a wonderful slogan. it's highly desirable. it's just not achievable. can you defeat hamas? the answer is yes. israel is actually quite close to defeating hamas. but if it doesn't adopt an approach that basically focuses on creating an alternative administration in gaza, we will be stuck where we are. i'll just add one point here. david petraeus said early on during this war, israel had to adopt the strategy that ultimately we did, which was you

clear an area, you hold an area, you build an area. and in that context, you make the local population secure. israel chose not to adopt that strategy. so we've seen the israelis, they've been back in jabalia four times. they've been back in beit hanoun five times because they didn't adopt the clear hold and build strategy. they didn't create an alternative, a palestinian alternative that could emerge, that would feel secure. if you're going to do that, that's where you're going to need this kind of external administration. so it's not impossible, but it's obviously difficult. >> yeah, i mean, i and history doesn't show me at least many cases in which that administration from foreign, you know, even like, you know, the arab league or anything else, i mean, it just doesn't seem to be something that is possible if you look at recent history and then you have the issue of the

millions of people that are being displaced, being asked to or considering asking to move en masse. and, you know, where do refugees get a chance to return home? i mean, look at the camps that are still outside of beirut and no one there from administrations or arab league or anybody else is helping to deal with them or to move them back. it's really a difficult thing. and, ambassador, i'm really glad that i have the chance to chat with you. i hope we can continue our conversation going forward. appreciate it. >> i'd be happy to do it. >> thanks. up next, dhs secretary says guantanamo will hold the, quote, worst of the worst immigrants. but our new reporting shows that might not be the case. plus, tulsi gabbard's nomination to be the director of national intelligence clears a major intelligence clears a major hurdle. you're watching tap into etsy

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you noted, that he's got the republicans plan to mark up, which means consider in committee a budget resolution as early as thursday. he said it's going to happen thursday. the only problem is we don't even know what that's going to look like. and this budget resolution is planning to cut between 1 trillion and 2.5 trillion in government outlays and will have huge impacts across the government, and also will plan to extend the trump era, the 2017 tax cuts, in perpetuity, permanently. that's going to cost upwards of $5 trillion. we haven't seen anything here. and the speaker says it's going to be out tonight. they've been saying that now for a couple of weeks, so we'll have to see if that comes to fruition. on top of that, if you if you put this all together, this is the bulk of the trump agenda right here. this is the everything that trump wants done legislatively. tax cuts, energy policy, border policy at once. so the stakes here are very big for the

president. on top of that i don't know. and i think a lot of republicans are curious and are not certain how they're going to get to that large. and that's the speaker right now, that large budget number, those big budget cuts without touching medicare and medicaid, some of those programs that trump has said he's not willing to cut. >> and so, jake, meanwhile, in the senate, looks like tulsi gabbard has a pretty good way of probably getting in. what is rfk jr. s situation? >> well, listen, you got to give it to the trump administration. they have gotten almost pretty much a clean sweep of their nominees through the senate through the confirmation process. it looks like rfk is going to get confirmed passed out of committee. tulsi gabbard, as you noted, cleared the procedural hurdle yesterday to get through as a director of national intelligence. i don't see anything right now sitting here, jose, that is going to prevent either of them from getting confirmed. republicans have pushed through these

nominees with with efficiency. and it's kind of the tale of two chambers. the senate is moving quickly on trump's agenda on trump's nominees, and the house is taking a little bit longer and has a little bit more difficult of a time of getting these through. >> jake sherman, thank you very much, my friend. really appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz balart. you can always reach me on social media, jd balart and you can watch clips from the show at youtube, at msnbc.com/jdb. thank you for the privilege of your time. ali vitale picks up with more news right now. >> right now on msnbc. president trump facing legal. setbacks as the courts. block several of his plans to radically reshape the government. and as his justice department tells new york federal prosecutors to. drop corruption charges against mayor eric adams, that move is raising questions about the department's independence. and if there are political strings attached. we're expecting to hear from adams in just moments. plus, the president is meeting right now with the king of jordan at the white house, in p