nominees with with efficiency. and it's kind of the tale of two chambers. the senate is moving quickly on trump's agenda on trump's nominees, and the house is taking a little bit longer and has a little bit more difficult of a time of getting these through. >> jake sherman, thank you very much, my friend. really appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz balart. you can always reach me on social media, jd balart and you can watch clips from the show at youtube, at msnbc.com/jdb. thank you for the privilege of your time. ali vitale picks up with more news right now. >> right now on msnbc. president trump facing legal. setbacks as the courts. block several of his plans to radically reshape the government. and as his justice department tells new york federal prosecutors to. drop corruption charges against mayor eric adams, that move is raising questions about the department's independence. and if there are political strings attached. we're expecting to hear from adams in just moments. plus, the president is meeting right now with the king of jordan at the white house, in part to sell his

redevelopment plan for gaza after saying all hell will break out if every remaining hostage isn't freed by this weekend, and democrats roll out their strategy to counter the wave of actions by the white house and elon musk. good day. i'm ali vitali in washington, and there are growing concerns among legal experts that the nation could be entering a constitutional crisis. this, as a federal court says president trump, is ignoring a binding legal order. a federal judge in rhode island said the administration is refusing to release frozen federal funding in defiance of last month's directive. it's one of several legal roadblocks facing the white house. the president's federal buyout deadline was delayed by a judge, while a federal judge here in d.c. reinstated an ethics watchdog who alleged the president illegally fired him. those, of course, are just some of the setbacks causing trump's inner circle to question judicial authority. elon musk

this morning posting this falsehood, quote, democracy is being destroyed by judicial coup. an activist judge is not a real judge. of course that's not true. in the meantime, the justice department has ordered all federal corruption charges against new york's democratic mayor, eric adams, be dropped. mayor adams is expected to make a statement shortly. so far, there's been no official motion to dismiss. but also in new york city legal news today, another trump ally, steve bannon, pleaded guilty this morning in state court for his part in the build the wall scheme to defraud trump. supporters of some $15 million. but he'll avoid jail time. we begin with nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, managing editor at the bulwark sam stein and former u.s. attorney joyce vance. really quickly, though, guys, before we start and jump in, i want to show the king of jordan arriving at the white house. this is about half an hour later than we expected him to be arriving there. but of course, a high stakes meeting as you see him there shaking hands with president trump, they will turn

and face the cameras. garrett hake is, of course, monitoring that for us. he's not with us yet, but we'll get him to a camera as soon as possible. it does look, just in watching this feed, like there might have been a quick question exchange. it doesn't look like we saw a ton from the president there. but, sam, i want to start with you. as someone who's tracking this white house so closely as well, what are you expecting out of this meeting with the king of jordan? the stakes really couldn't be higher. >> yeah. i mean. >> we're in this incredibly bizarre. >> and delicate place. >> where trump has. >> said he wants to. >> forcibly remove. >> millions of palestinians from the gaza strip, and he will threaten to cut off foreign aid to several middle eastern countries unless they take them. this would be tantamount to what critics say is ethnic cleansing. it would destabilize the region. it would potentially put the leaders of egypt and jordan in untenable spots, all so that they can create a, i guess, a

atlantic city of the gaza. and i imagine that this is what's going to be discussed, right? i mean, this is this isn't some sort of, you know, modest middle east peace proposal. this is a complete revamping of the boundaries of the middle east, in the middle of a peace talk and hostage negotiation deal. sorry, a ceasefire deal that has fallen apart. and so there's multiple things to be discussed right now. you have to imagine that they're just going to try to figure out some sort of middle ground here. but it's hard to see where that middle ground exists. >> yeah. sam, this is not just an out of the box idea, as the white house likes to say. this is trump ticking the box, tearing it apart, stamping on it, and then trying to build over it. but really, when you hear that countries like jordan and egypt have already said, no, we do not agree with this plan, it's a nonstarter for us. and yet the president is still going into this meeting acting as if it's an ongoing negotiation. is it does he have leverage here?

>> i don't know, i mean, that's i think what we saw yesterday was him trying to create leverage by floating the idea that u.s. military aid could be cut off to the egyptians and the jordanians. obviously, that is significant billions upon billions of dollars. but to what end will the will these countries leadership actually acquiesce? because doing so would put their own rulership at risk here? so with trump, it's always difficult to figure out what is actually real, what is actually ler what you see are these audacus e concession out of these people. but in this case, we're talking about a massive proposal forcefully relocating millions of people to different countries. and then we should note not guaranteeing them the right of return. i mean, that was the other thing that trump said on sunday. and so that adds another element to this that seems totally unnavigable. so i just don't see where the middle ground is.

>> you're right, sam, it's hard to see what the part of this is. that's the signal and the noise, as you and i often talk about when we're on together in the mornings. but garrett hake, our white house correspondent, is actually with us now on the phone. or actually, he made his way to a camera. we love to see it. garrett, talk about the way that the white house is setting the stage for this meeting. given the backdrop and the landscape that sam and i were just talking about with the high stakes in the middle east. >> yeah, ali, and forgive me, i was delayed by the king's arrival. something i've never said before on television. look, this meeting is going to be incredibly fraught. and i think everything that the president has said over the last week and a half about this topic, sort of in each appearance, has only made it more so. the original rollout of his gaza plan, his comments that you were just discussing about refusing the right of return for palestinians who might leave the territory, and suggesting that everyone he's spoken to likes this plan and might be willing to accept palestinian refugees in their territory. the king of jordan has made it very clear, as has his government, time and time again, that that's not their

preferred outcome. they want to see a palestinian state. and trump's view on this has been, as it often is, just let me get in a room with him, essentially, that he believes he can negotiate his way out of this. now, his comments just yesterday suggesting that he might cut off aid to jordan, i think, raised a lot of eyebrows in official washington, given how close of an ally jordan is on such a variety of issues, whether that is a serious part of his proposal or just another negotiating tactic is something i don't think we'll know until this is all said and done. but the king of jordan has been doing this for a very long time across multiple administrations. and so he's not someone who's going to walk into this room unprepared to deal with even a proposal like this from donald trump that is so new and so outside the box. >> yeah, absolutely, garrett. and we're going to drill down deeper on this topic, but i do want to pivot us back to where we started the show, which are the legal issues currently vexing and facing this white house. ken, i want to start with you. when it comes to mayor eric adams, to me, the part of this

dismissal that we saw from the doj was that they were dismissing it without prejudice. why are those the key words here, and why is this not the beginning of the end, but really the end of the beginning here. >> it's a great flag. ali, without prejudice means that they can refile the case at any time. and in fact, in the memo ordering the prosecutors in the southern district of new york to drop this case, the acting deputy attorney general said that he was taking this action on behalf of the attorney general, pam bondi, not because of the facts and the law or any weakness or perceived weakness in the case against eric adams, which, after all, is a very substantial set of corruption charges. he said he was doing it because of concerns that the case was improperly brought, was tainted with politics. there were some other issues. they were concerned that eric adams didn't have a security clearance anymore and couldn't cooperate with federal immigration enforcement in his city. and so you have a situation here where the political leadership of the justice department is weighing

in and ordering line prosecutors to drop a case that they brought based on the facts in the law. but then leaving that hanging out there. so you have a mayor of new york who is essentially beholden to the trump white house. he knows he could be charged at any time. again, the facts haven't changed. there's a speaking indictment full of evidence that he took favors from the government of turkey and did favors in return for them. now he denies any criminality, obviously, but this is an extraordinary situation, ali. >> and we're waiting to hear from the mayor. we'll try to bring you that live as soon as we see him. but, joyce, i want to ask you a similar question, because this is what mayor adams had been driving at. he was at mar-a-lago last month. he was at the president's inauguration. and it all raises questions about potential white house influence within the justice department, something that washington and senators openly questioned during the hearings for people like pam bondi and others. so talk about that. and then the open ended nature of this dismissal that ken was just explaining. >> so this is what.

>> we talked. >> about in the run up to this election. no surprises here. project 2025. and trump. himself discussed the desirability of turning the justice department into a political tool that the white house could wield. and that's exactly what we're seeing here. you know, there's a footnote in in one of the pieces of material associated with this dismissal that explicitly says that this isn't about a quid pro quo from adams that would see him help to enforce trump's immigration policy. it's tough to read this situation any other way, because the justice department and really the white house now has adams on a leash. they can refile the charges at any point in time. if he doesn't hold up his end of the bargain, whatever that might be. and there's a way that rational prosecutors handle these sorts of issues, by the way, part of this is about the fact that this is an election year in new york for the mayor's race. d.o.j, as we've discussed repeatedly, has

a policy of standing down anywhere from 30 to 60 days before an election to avoid influencing its outcome. but they don't dismiss cases. what they do is they simply don't take any overt steps during that period of time. they could have done that here, but they didn't. >> so. >> garrett, where. >> is the white house on this? do they see it the way that joyce is seeing it, that they've got the mayor of new york now on a leash, to use her words? >> well, it's certainly not the way they would phrase it, ali. but look, i think the president has made it clear that he sees adams as a little bit of a kindred spirit, whether this has been well played by adams or something that the president himself picked up on. but i remember him being asked about this during the transition, that they feel like they were both targeted by a biden justice system, and that this is something where the president could essentially create an ally for himself in new york city, where he does still consider it kind of his spiritual home, if you will, despite having relocated to florida. so when you combine the president's affinity for all things new york

and adams kind of deftly painting himself as a victim of political weaponization like trump has, it's a pretty tried and true path to the president's heart. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. flattery will get you everywhere, and commonality will, too. but garrett, then there's the larger legal theme of the multiple setbacks that we've seen in court, two actions that the trump administration has tried to take in its first few weeks. what's the reaction there? >> this is interesting because i just got a new statement from the white house press secretary about this. i've been asking all morning kind of how they view this and the statement, which i won't read you in its entirety, talks about these cases. it sort of lumps them together as what they call unlawful injunctions, and suggests that all of these various cases decided by federal district courts there, you see, some of it are continuation of the weaponization of justice against president trump. again, playing the hits here. this is something where characterizing unfavorable legal actions as weaponization or attacks against

trump as a person works out very well for this team. during the campaign. they're using it again at the white house now. but also, i think, being careful to make sure that nothing in a statement like that is inflammatory enough to show up in a future court filing. >> as we shall receive. i want to pivot away from our conversation now to bring you above my solemn responsibility as your mayor. it is rude to repeat in the facts because many sensational, enforce claims have been made, so let me be clear. i never ask anyone to break the law on my behalf or on behalf of my campaign never. >>and i absolutely never treated. >>my power. that's an elected official for any personal benefit, no witness ever came forward publicly to make claims against me, none of the baseless threats from prosecutors of new charges and

new evidence ever materialized in this case were no longer continued psalms 34 1 says i will bless the lord at all times his praise shall continually be in my mouth. so i think the justice department for its honesty. now we can put this cruel episode behind us and focus entirely on the future about city, it's time to move forward. but despite the fact barium no longer facing legal questions. i also understand that many new yorkers was still question my character and i know that i must continue to regain your trust have learned a lot over the last year, and this experience has been humbling, but as we have been dragged through this unfortunate

prosecution. i never took my eyes off of what was important . you, you and your family's future and because of that are city government has never been stronger. just look at the figures we have achieved record drops in crime. >>record increases in affordable housing and the highest number of jobs in new york city history, and i want to repeat that double digit drops and shootings, homicides and prejudice. joyce, i want to come to you on this because as we heard the mayor saying that no witness came forward publicly. i thought that was an important word choice there. he then quoted scripture saying, it's time to move forward, but also recognizing that new yorkers may still have questions about his character, that he's going to have to regain their trust. he

thanked the department of justice for, in his words, their honesty. what parts of that struck you, joyce? >> well. >> first, the witnesses not coming forward statement is a little bit misplaced. you know, this case was indicted. the indictment was a speaking indictment that laid out the details of the conduct the government alleged constituted crimes in this case. it did it with a lot of clarity, a lot of specificity and the time for witnesses to come forward publicly, of course, isn't until trial. so i think it's unimportant. his comment that witnesses had not done that yet, but the mayor seems to get the card a little bit ahead of the horse here. for one thing, this prosecution hasn't been dismissed yet. yes, there's an order from the deputy attorney general. the southern district of new york is notoriously independent, so it'll be interesting to see whether they go quietly into the night on this one. but even then, as we've been discussing, this is

not a dismissal with prejudice. this is a case that could be refiled after the election if the trump justice department wanted to do it. the mayor seems awfully confident that the incident is entirely over. and that's a very interesting takeaway from this statement. >> i agree, it was extremely interesting to hear him react in that way. sam, final thought to you here. what does this tell you about the trump department of justice in its early days and weeks? >> well, jeez, where to begin? they've clearly taken a very selective idea of what constitutes acceptable prosecution. despite their protestations, it seems fairly evident that they decided to drop these charges against mayor adams because they want to use him and get new york involved in their deportation and ice raid efforts. i will say on the flip side, though, going back to what garrett got in terms of that statement, i think the most interesting line was that they said the white house said that they were going to continue

fighting these battles in the court and that they're going to use and that they believe they would win on process of appeal. i mean, look, this this counts as sort of a small victory, i suppose. but when j.d. vance is out there over the weekend suggesting that they would just simply defy court orders to see them say, in fact, they will appeal and be vindicated, there is a relief. so perhaps there are there is some respect for the rule of law that still is in the justice department. but then you have to contrast it with these sort of seemingly arbitrary decisions around the mayor adams prosecution and other things that have been happening. and really, you get a sense you get a portrait of a department of justice at an incredible crossroads. >> such an important point that you make there, sam, that it's almost a relief to hear the white house say they're going to continue to fight it in court. yeah. hearing perhaps what other members on the hill have said, which is if you don't like a decision. that's why god created the court of appeals. i believe that was senator kennedy, garrett hake, ken dilanian, sam stein, and joyce vance. thank you for starting us off on all

of these topics. meanwhile, federal reserve chair jerome powell just finished testifying before the senate banking committee one day after president trump slapped a 25% tariff on steel and aluminum imports, about a quarter of u.s. steel supplies and about a half of our aluminum is imported from canada, mexico and china, among other countries. nbc news senior business correspondent christine romans joins me now. christine, the president did this in his first term, but the amount of tariffs are higher this time. so what are his goals and what are we hearing from the fed chair as he testifies over there on the hill. >> well tariffs are on. and the president is a big fan of tariffs using them for a lot of different reasons to secure the border, to try to rectify what he sees are unfair. >> trade imbalances. >> and to try to punish, you know, punish players on the international stage who he thinks are taking advantage of america. so that's that's his stated goal here. but we also know tariffs can bring retaliation. they can bring counter tariffs and they can raise prices for american consumers. and that's the big concern here right now in a situation where you've got inflation that is still 2.9%.

are these tariffs which is which are taxes at the border, which can be passed on to manufacturers, passed on to from importers and all the way down the downstream to consumers. they can raise prices in some cases. and so will that keep inflation high. and what does that do for the federal reserve, which last year had started to talk about lowering interest rates, which can free up borrowing costs for american families and relieve some of the pressure on families? sounds like the fed wants to stand pat here, doesn't want to be engaged in what's going to happen with tariffs, but is just really watching the situation. here's the fed chief jerome powell. >> we want to make more progress on inflation. and we think our policy rate is at is in a good place. and we're not we don't see any reason to be in a hurry to reduce it further. once we lower rates in kind of rates return to a lower level, mortgage rates will come down. i don't know when that will happen, and even when it does happen, we're still going to have a housing shortage in many places. >> so for now, you know, you've got interest rates probably staying where they are for the

foreseeable future as you try to figure out how how tariff policy plays out in the us economy and the global economy, and how the overall economy holds up to what president donald trump is promising will be a big fight, an aggressive fight from the us on the trade front around the world. >> ali a. >> big fight, christine, that could also run counter to one of his central campaign promises that he was going to bring down the cost of groceries and basic costs for americans on day one. here we stand well after day one, and that's not yet the case. christine romans, thank you. and coming up next, i'll be joined by the top democrat on the house foreign affairs committee as the president threatens action against hamas threatens action against hamas in dexcom g7 sends your glucose numbers to your phone and watch, so you can always see where you're heading without fingersticks. dexcom g7 is the most accurate cgm, so you can manage your diabetes with confidence. ♪♪ when bad allergies attack... ♪♪ trust claritin to keep you in the game. ♪♪ nothing is proven more powerful for continuous non-drowsy allergy relief.

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>> welcome back. right now, congressional democrats are rallying with government workers against ddos attacks on career civil servants. as employees of the consumer financial protection bureau are fighting president trump's attempt to shut down the agency in court. democrats, meanwhile, blasted the effort yesterday in a protest at the headquarters of the cfpb, which has secured more than $20 billion in financial relief for americans since its inception. earlier on morning joe, i spoke with senator elizabeth warren about the president's actions, and she actually helped create the agency. here's what she told me. >> he's actually. >> cutting the parts. >> of government that. >> help bring down costs. >> for american families. >> and the consumer financial protection bureau is the. perfect example. remember, it was put in place right. after the big financial crash because these giant banks had cheated

people. >> joining me now is democratic congressman gregory meeks of new york. first, i want to get your reaction to jerome powell as he's been pressed on the hill about the impact of the consumer financial protection bureau being shut down. watch. >> if the cfpb is not there examining these giant banks to make sure they are following the laws on not cheating consumers, who is doing that job? >> i can say no other federal regulator. >> no one. >> no one. and a shrug. i mean, what's your reaction to that? >> that's exactly. >> why it was created. look, in my district, people lost the american dream. they lost their home, the largest investment the average american makes. was in their home. they were. defrauded by banks and others in those. and so who was there to speak up and to look and to diagnose the products? there was no one there for the consumer. that was the

reason why the consumer financial bureau was put in place, so that the consumer would have someone to go to and just think about all of the individuals who were saved because of the bureau, and to protect them against the oligarchs that are now around the president of the united states. there has to be someone there to speak for average, everyday americans. so they got defrauded, someone there to give them advice. >> and so now here we are with yet another legal challenge, both from the workers within the agency and then another challenge legally on the structure, basically saying you can't shut down an agency like this that was created by congress. you need congress to vote to actually shut down that agency. this is a challenge that we've seen across usaid and other agencies, too. but for democrats who are now in the position where voters are saying do something, we, of course, have seen you guys rallying outside of some of these

agencies. but the next step that i've heard, according to my sources, is making this a leverage point ahead of the government shutdown on march 14th. is that the strategy and are you comfortable with that, as you know, potentially shutting down the government? >> there's a number of numerous strategies. number one, if the government shuts down, it is the republicans that will be shutting it down. they own this. they own they have the majority in the house, the majority in the senate and the presidency. it is their job to get this done. when we had a five vote majority, we were able to get the job done. the largest shutdown that the country has had before, not coincidental, is when donald j. trump was the president previously. you have members within the maga party that want to shut the government down. their goal is to shut the government down. >> what is your level of comfortability with that? taking the politics and i hear you, but

what is your level of comfortability with this as a strategy? >> my level of comfortability is this the constitution is at stake in america. we are looking at where we should have and the house is a body that has equal power of the executive branch. we cannot allow or just yield to allow the constitution to continually to be knocked out. we are not russia. we're not the dumas where the president does or they are putin. the dictator does everything. we don't have a king here. and you see consistently what this president is doing is saying the courts shouldn't be able to stop them. the legislative bodies should not be able to stop them. that's why we have three branches of government. he wants to be the king. so we've got to stand up. the people have got to stand up and to make sure that we are pushing back and not allowing

the democratic society of which we live in. i don't want to be a russia or a north korea or a china. that's what's at stake here. and so democrats have to stand up again to protect who we are as americans. >> the other question i want to ask you is in your role as the ranking member on foreign relations, there's been rightly, a lot of focus on what president trump has suggested. a redevelopment deal in gaza, again, tossing out the traditional playbook of the middle east and then some. but have you gotten any kinds of briefings from the administration that would give details or any sense that they're actually seriously thinking this through? >> there has been no details from the administration, no accountability from the administration. they're just doing this bypassing congress. i've got to tell you, i have written at least seven, eight, nine letters to the administration as well as to the chair of the committee on foreign affairs to say, let's do hearings. let's bring some of

these people in. that's what our jobs are, is to do comprehensive hearings and oversight of the executive branch. now, all of a sudden, this same committee where they were bringing in and tony blinken was there, jake sullivan was there, everybody would come in to testify and talk about with transparency. now, there's no such thing that's taking place. we've not had we may have our first hearing on something different in the next day or two, but we've not had any hearings thus far. no accountability and no response back from the administration. >> this would be one of the, if not the central focus. i do want to get you on some domestic news, given the fact that you are a member from new york. we saw new york city mayor eric adams at the top of our program, saying that he's happy to see this chapter of his legal woes be closed. do you agree with the justice department saying that these charges against adams

should be dismissed? >> i have serious concerns about it. number one, i do think that mayor adams, you know, i believe him. when he said he didn't do anything wrong. but you can't interfere with the justice system. here, again, is taking away of who we are. the constitutionality of the courts. we have a president that we know says that he wants to impeach judges that make certain decisions that he doesn't like. and so and in this case, what really gives me some grave concern is we know this president wants to control things. so this case is not dismissed because it's not it was dismissed without prejudice. >> so do you worry about a. >> leverage point? i worry very much about a leverage point. we know who this president is. we know who this man is. we know who what he has done his entire life. so my concern is the justice department and the president of the united states. they're not doing this without reason. they're doing this. they have a reason and a cause because they want to control the

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ago, prime minister benjamin netanyahu says if hamas does not return the remaining hostages by noon on saturday, israel will withdraw from the cease fire and resume fighting in gaza. as we speak, president trump is meeting with king abdullah of jordan in the oval office. he told reporters just a few moments ago that he's sticking with his weekend deadline for hamas and doubling down on his plan for redeveloping gaza. he's also threatened to cut aid to jordan and egypt if they don't take in the residents of gaza. nearly 2 million palestinians. joining me now, aaron david miller, a former arab israeli negotiator at the state department, now senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. aaron david. high stakes and urgent backdrop and president trump turning up the pressure even more on jordan and egypt to take in the palestinians, who would be displaced if they were relocated from their land in gaza. how is king abdullah going to walk this tightrope today, when half of his country's population is of palestinian descent? >> yeah. >> and by the. >> way. hamas or the muslim. >> brotherhood in jordan is

making a recovery as a consequence of what's happened in jordan. so the admission of large numbers of palestinians and the hundreds of thousands, scores of thousands even, is going to strain jordan's stability. look, i think the king is trying to square an impossible circle. a lot of it is up to the president. if he follows through on his threat to suspend, restrict or withhold the $1.6 billion that the us gives to jordan, the jordanians are are are really have a major problem. i have a feeling, though, that the king may well find a way to sort of dodge this proverbial bullet. a reuters reporting that he's offered to take several thousand palestinian children's children, and he may up his interest and support for the palestinians in gaza. the president isn't going to give this up, though. so the real question, i think, is trump's, because jordan will not agree under any circumstances,

circumstance to basically resettle on a permanent basis, thousands, scores of thousands of palestinians in jordan, thereby basically sending a signal to the arab world that the palestinian problem has now been resolved. so the president's going to have to demonstrate a little flexibility here not to press the king and threaten to cut off aid. i think that would be a major, major mistake on the part of the administration. and the reporting that you're mentioning there from reuters seems to have been something they spoke about in the room between the king of jordan and president trump, where the king of jordan effectively said, we can take in 12,000 children and then wait for egyptians to present plans on other challenges, basically pitching the ball over to the egyptians court when they have their own negotiations on this with the president. but all of this is happening against the backdrop of that tenuous cease fire and hostage release deal. what do these negotiations, these conversations and frankly,

the doubling down by both president trump and israeli prime minister netanyahu on that saturday deadline. what does it mean for a cease fire that was already so fragile? >> yeah, it's a great question. you know, you have a mexican standoff. hamas has threatened not to release the three on saturday. the president has this basically made a statement that if all the hostages aren't released and who cares about the cease fire? he dismissed it by noon on saturday. so the prime minister appears to have split the difference. the fact that 12:00 appeared in the prime minister's statement is clearly a direct effort to incorporate at least part of what the president said, what is not clear to me, because i'm not sure it was clear in the statement which was translated from the hebrew, is to whether or not the prime minister is saying that the remaining hostages in phase one have to be released on saturday, or just three, according to the agreement. in any event, you now have a situation where one of

the two will have to back down, or both. otherwise we're not going to make it through phase one. the cease fire is going to collapse. the surge of humanitarian assistance into gaza is going to end. the release of palestinian prisoners is going to end, and the israelis and hamas will find themselves once again locked into a conflict and a struggle, frankly, that neither is going to win. and that, i think, is the end state here. hamas is going to survive in some form, not as an organized military force, but as an insurgency. if the israelis stay able to influence developments, politics in gaza. so again, the big loser here, without a doubt, it's not the government of israel, it's not hamas. it's the 2.3 million palestinians in gaza who have been relocated, disrupted three, 4 or 5 times. they are the big

losers. and right now their future looks pretty bleak. >> because i think the larger question here for the region, as we see what's going on in washington as one of the epicenters of this negotiation, is the larger concern about destabilization in the region. i mean, what are your thoughts there? >> i mean, i think i think it's true. look, again, i think the president's gaza gambit in one fell swoop, has associated the united states with an idea that at at at best could be described as transfer at worst, according to the palestinians, as ethnic cleansing. he's undermined both egypt and jordan, risked their political stability by demanding that they absorb hundreds of thousands of palestinians. he's validated the fantasies of the israeli right, who are only too happy with the president's pronouncements. and frankly, he's sent a very bad signal. as an american, i would argue, a very bad signal to both president xi of china and putin

of russia basically saying, well, you give a press conference, you declare you want to take over, quote unquote, a piece of territory without any justification. by and large, i think this untethered, provocative sort of proposal that is only going to pile on the already fraught realities that exist in in many states in this region, and certainly in the corner of the region. we're not we're now talking about. >> aaron david miller. thank you for your expertise on this really important topic. and coming up next, democratic lawmakers sound the alarm over elon musk's expanding role in the federal government. congresswoman melanie stansbury, the ranking member of the d.o.j. subcommittee, joins us next. you're watching msnbc. >> hi, grandma. >> i played. >> baseball today. oh. >> that's great. >> what position did you play? >> first base.

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lucky enough to. >> have his. >> handsome son with. >> us today. so it's good to see you again. >> we we've had some quick discussions just now, and we're going to have some longer discussions. >> after this. >> and the relationship with jordan has been very strong, has been with me, and it really has been with the country. but i think i've been closer than other presidents to jordan and what jordan represents. and it's an honor to have you and your son with us today. and if you'd like to say. >> a few. >> words, and thank you very. >> much, mr. >> president, thank you very. >> much for having us. >> and so. >> short after. >> your inauguration. >> i think just as a testament to what you said is a special relationship between our two countries and the personal relationship of friendship and trust between the two of us. mr. president, i truly believe that with all the challenges that we have in the middle east, that i finally see somebody that can take us across the finish line to bring stability, peace and prosperity to all of us in the region. and it is, i think, our

collective responsibility in the middle east to continue to work with you, to support you to achieve those lofty goals. so i'm very delighted to be here. and as you said, sir, we've got some very interesting discussions ahead. >> very good, very good. thank you very much. >> mr. president. many people in the region, especially jordan, are worried about the annexation of the west bank. will you give the his majesty the king guarantee that you won't allow israel to annex the west bank? and how are you going to? >> i think it's going to work out very well. that's not really what we're talking about today. i think that's something that's going to work out automatically, and it's in good shape, and we discuss it. and other people have discussed it with us and with me. and that's going to work out. west bank is going to work out very well. >> mr. president. >> why should. >> the king take in the palestinian people? he's made clear he doesn't want to. >> well, i don't know. but he may have just something to say because we discussed just briefly. i think maybe you want to say it now or. >> well, mr. president, i think we have to keep in mind that

there is a plan from egypt and the arab countries. we're being invited by mohammed bin salman to a discussions in riyadh. i think the point is, is how do we make this work in a way that is good for everybody? and obviously we have to look at the best interests of the united states, of the people in the region, especially to my people of jordan. and we're going to have some interesting discussions today. i think one of the things that we can do right away is take 2000 children that are either cancer children or in very ill state to jordan as quickly as possible and then wait for, i think, the egyptians to present their plan on how we can work with the president to work on the gaza challenges. >> so i want to tell. >> you that. >> excuse me. wait. just please. i didn't know that. what you just said. 2000 children with cancer or other problems. and that's really a beautiful gesture. that's really good. and we appreciate it. and we'll be working on the rest with with

egypt, i think you're going to see some great progress. i think with jordan you're going to see some great progress, three of us and we'll have some others helping, and we're going to have some others that are very high level helping and the whole thing will come. it's not a complex thing to do. and with the united states being in control of that piece of land, a fairly large piece of land, you're going to have stability in the middle east for the first time. and the palestinians, or the people that live now in gaza, will be living beautifully in another location. they're going to be living safely. they're not going to be killed, murdered and having to leave every ten years. because i've been watching this for so many years, it had nothing but trouble. everyone's being killed. they're being robbed. it's like living in hell. and they're going to end up having a great home, great families that don't have to get mugged and killed and beaten up and harassed by hamas and everybody else. and i know we'll be able

to work something. and you and your what you just said about the 2000 is fantastic. it's so beautiful. it's music to my ears. but we're going to be able to work something and i know we'll be able to work something also with, with i believe not not 100%, but 99%. we're going to work out something with egypt. >> and mr. president. >> during your election campaign. >> mr. president. >> how is. >> the u.s. >> how is. >> the u.s. going. >> to own gaza? your white house has made clear taxpayer dollars won't be used for this. so what money are you going to use to buy gaza? >> well, we're not going to buy anything. we're going to have it and we're going to keep it, and we're going to make sure that there's going to be peace and there's not going to be any problem, and nobody's going to question it, and we're going to run it very properly. and eventually we'll have economic development at a very large scale, maybe the largest scale on that site. and we'll have lots of good things built there, including hotels and office buildings and housing and other

things. and we'll make that site into what it should be. and the people from gaza who wouldn't be able to be there for years because you're talking about just to get it and prepare it and to take care of all of the problems that currently it has. as you know, tunnels and people are in those tunnels and you have some good people and some bad people, and you may have hostages right now, you know, you have the hostages possibly there. they don't know where they are. and, you know, i have a saturday deadline and i don't think they're going to make the deadline. personally, i think they they want to play tough guy, but we'll see how tough they are. but it's going to be a wonderful thing. it's going to be wonderful for the middle east. i think it'll turn the middle east. i think you're going to have peace in the middle east. you're going to eventually have peace in the middle east. >> but. >> you couldn't. this deadline. >> risk undermining. >> the talks that. >> you're having. >> with the. king today, and. risk the. >> kind of wider peace that you're trying to. >> because that's not we're not talking about a big situation.

we're talking about something that can go very quickly. we're talking about it's going to go quickly. it's not going to take a long time, okay. that's not going to take a long time. when you know, bullies, you know the bullies, right? you know, the bully. i've always and i found it throughout my life a bully is the weakest person and they're bullies. hamas is bullies. the weakest people are bullies. you know that, right? all right, go ahead. >> mr. president. you were saying that palestinians. >> will. >> live somewhere else. >> safe. >> where exactly. >> do you want them to live? >> well, it's not where i want them to live. it's going to be where we ultimately choose as a group. and i believe we'll have a parcel of land in jordan. i believe we'll have a parcel of land in egypt. we may have someplace else, but i think when we finish our talks, we'll have a place where they're going to live very happily and very safely. and, you know, don't forget, they only want to be on the gaza strip because they don't know anything else. they've never had an

alternative, and they don't want to be in the gaza strip. but they have no choice. they have to be. and they're being killed. they're at levels that nobody's ever seen. no, no place in the world is like as as dangerous as the gaza strip. they don't want to be there. they have no alternative. when they have no alternative, not one person will want to stay where they are. nobody wants to stay there. they're living in hell. it's a death trap. >> mr. president. how do you know that the palestinians don't want to leave their land? some people say this is ethnic cleansing. you won't be able to force them to leave their land. they say they're. >> moving into a beautiful location where they have new homes, where they can live safely, where they'll have doctors and medical and all of those things. and i think it's going to be great. yeah. any questions. >> king abdullah. >> what do. >> you think about the us taking over. >> the gaza strip? do you want to see the us. >> own the. >> gaza strip? >> well, i think as i said earlier, the president is looking at egypt coming to present their plan. as i said,

we will be in saudi arabia to discuss how we can work with the president and with the united states. so i think let's wait until the egyptians can come and present to the president and not get ahead of ourselves. >> and is there a. >> parcel of. >> land in jordan that you're willing to have palestinians? >> well, i think what we said, i have to look at the best interests of my country. i think the president is very happy that we do this thing with 2000 children as quickly as possible. and again, i believe that the president is looking forward to getting a group of us arabs here to discuss the overall plan. >> and last. >> question, the 2000. children are those. >> from the gaza strip. >> absolutely. from the gaza strip. >> are you willing to change your mind? >> that's from the gaza strip, the 2000. >> are you willing to change your mind? if you hear the egyptian and the arab plan end of the month, if they present you something different? are you are you open? i think. >> we sort of have gone down the line. we know pretty much what is going to be presented, and i think it's going to be something that's going to be magnificent for the palestinians. they're going to they're going to be in

love with it. i did very well with real estate. i can tell you about real estate. they're going to be in love with it. >> but mr. president doesn't concern you that that moving 2 million people from from there. >> it's a very small number of people relative to other things that have taken place over the decades and centuries. it's a very small number of people, and they're living a terrible life. look at look at the way they're living now. nobody's nobody's living like that in the entire world. they're living under buildings that are mostly fallen down and will continue to fall down. and they're living under people are being killed every day. the conditions are horrible. there are no conditions anywhere in the world that are worse than the gaza strip right now. >> but don't you have some that you can destabilize? jordan. >> and you said all hell will break out if all the hostages are not released on saturday. what did you mean by that? and are you encouraging netanyahu to walk away from this deal? have you talked about this with him? >> so i've looked at what at the condition of people coming out

of the hostage situation. and it's horrible. i looked at the before and after yesterday, three young men, one one is dead. now, as you know, the older gentleman who died, which everybody said he was alive and well, he's he's dead. but the three young men and i looked at them from a short while ago, and i looked at them. now they are emaciated. they look like holocaust survivors. they looked. i mean, they'll get better, but they they're in rough shape. they were treated really badly. and we've heard things from them since. and i think the reason that hamas is playing so cute is because they probably they saw the reaction to these three people that came out and the and the other ones. look, the one young lady had her hand blown off practically, and they were not in great shape either. but she's missing her fingers and a big part of her hand. you know what she did? she was stopping a bullet that was

aimed at her. she went like that and it blew off her hand. no, i think what they're. i think they want time because i think the people that they have living are in such bad shape because they're sending the most healthy people out, because they don't want to send the least healthy people out. and there was an uproar when they saw the people from yesterday. so these people are so i don't want to do two, and then we do another two and another week, and then we do four and three weeks. no, no. they either have them out by saturday at 12:00 or all bets are off. >> mr. president. >> mr. president, would you still consider withholding aid to. >> those countries if they don't. >> accept your plans to accept? >> well, i don't want to say that because we've had such a good relationship and we're doing so well just in the short time that we've been talking. i mean, the king just made a statement. i didn't ask him to do that about