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who's been there for less than two years should keep their job. plus, coming to the table. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy says he will consider negotiations with russian president vladimir putin to end the nearly three year long war this year. what he says he'll need to make that happen. also not accepting silence alleged abuse victims today, standing together to share horrific stories of sexual abuse and demand action against perpetrators they say preyed on them as children, many of them black males. the hundreds of reports filed just today. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, and we begin with president trump's controversial comments, doubling down on his plan to take gaza and endorsing israel's threat to end the cease fire if hamas doesn't release the hostages. nbc's gabe gutierrez is at the white house. what else did we hear from the president? >> hi there chris. good

afternoon. well, king abdullah is still here at the white house, actually scheduled to leave here any second now. but as you said, the president doubling down on his controversial comments from yesterday when i was in the oval office and i asked him should the cease fire be off? and he did say that if it wasn't for that on saturday, he issuing that deadline noon on saturday or that all hell would break out. then he was further asked, would he withhold aid to places like jordan and egypt? and he said that yes, he would consider withholding aid. if they did not take palestinian refugees. now, that's the backdrop for the meeting you're seeing right there in the oval office. >> a short time ago, king abdullah arriving here to the white. >> house, and the president doubling down on it, saying. >> we are going to. >> take gaza. let's listen to more of what he just said. >> we're going to have guys that we don't have to buy. there's nothing to buy. we will have gaza. what does that mean? no reason to buy. there is nothing to buy. it's gaza. it's a it's a war torn area. we're going to

take it. we're going to hold it. we're going to cherish it. we're going to get it going eventually, where a lot of jobs are going to be created for the people in the middle east. it's going to be for the people in the middle east. but i think it could be a diamond. >> so the president certainly. >> still having a lot of questions to answer. i asked him yesterday in the oval office how he would force palestinians out of gaza. what about those palestinians that wanted. >> to stay there? >> certainly because it was their home. he seemed to dismiss that question. he said that they would all want to leave, although offering few details about that. but as for. king abdullah, again, he's set to leave here in the white house in just a few moments. but he's also struck a very diplomatic tone in this meeting with the president a short time ago, saying he would need to find out more information about the president's plan, as well as when egypt leaders of egypt as well, are brought into the mix and to hear what they have to say. chris. >> thank you so much, gabe gutierrez. and gabe just mentioned that king abdullah

will be leaving shortly. there's the door at the white house. looks like they got some precipitation coming down and he will be heading back home. let's go now to the trump administration's push for that list of the fbi's newest hires. nbc's ryan riley has been digging into that. so what have you learned, ryan? >> yeah. >> this would affect an enormous number of fbi. >> agents as well as employees. >> chris, you're talking about upwards of 3600 people who are on that probationary status, meaning they haven't. had their two. years there. it makes them easier targets for the trump administration. >> and this is really worried, worried folks. >> within. >> the fbi. especially given the. >> turmoil that. >> we've seen. >> in the past 22 days. you know, you've had those cases all pardoned, involving january 6th defendants. >> you've had. >> the targeting. >> of individuals who. >> worked on. >> jack smith's investigation. >> you've had now. the request. >> for the. list of fbi agents who. >> worked on january 6th cases. >> so it's really caused a lot of turmoil at the fbi.

>> had one. >> official tell me. that this. >> was the most. >> intense past. >> few days of their life that they had. >> since the january 6th. attack itself. so a lot of a lot. >> of angst about what's happening inside the bureau. meanwhile. >> there are questions. about kash patel and. >> his involvement in any of these efforts to sort of purge the fbi. >> ahead of time. >> you had. senator dick durbin suggesting. >> that he was more he was involved in a lot of these. these decision. >> making processes. >> because there are a number. >> of people within the. >> fbi, within the trump administration, in leadership positions who have these connections to kash. >> patel, who. >> has not. >> yet been. >> confirmed. >> of course, as fbi director and would be serving a ten year term if he. >> were to. >> be confirmed. we do have a statement from the spokesperson for kash patel, erica knight. >> who said. >> that once again, the media is relying on anonymous sources and secondhand gossip to push a false narrative. kash patel is a highly qualified national security expert. >> who. >> has been fully transparent with the american people throughout the process, and has demonstrated the. integrity and leadership needed for this role.

the senate should confirm him without delay. i spoke with one former fbi special agent who has been in close communication with kash patel. his name is kyle serafin, and he was saying he would not be surprised if there was some discussions about some of these personnel arrangements, but insisted that he does not believe that kash patel himself is individualized, is individually pulling the strings with what's going on at the fbi. but obviously there's been a huge attempt to clear the decks here before kash patel potentially gets confirmed by the senate. >> chris ryan riley, thank you. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says he is open to talks. peace talks with vladimir putin. nbc's matt bradley following that story for us. this comes just days before zelenskyy is expected to meet with vice president j.d. vance. they're going to be at the munich security conference. what more can you tell us? >> yeah, chris, it's not just j.d. vance. secretary of state marco rubio also expected to meet zelenskyy at this annual munich security conference this weekend. there's also expected

to be an appearance from the president's new special envoy to ukraine, keith kellogg, who the president said today is also expected to visit kyiv, the ukrainian capital, as early as february 20th. so amidst all of this splashy debut for the new administration in europe, it's really looking like ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is really feeling the pressure from all sides. now, as we mentioned, he's about to meet with the vice president, a man who in the past has suggested cutting off aid to ukraine completely. that's an even harder line on supporting ukraine than president trump has taken in the past. and the timing for zelenskyy is rough at this moment. president trump just said today on fox news that ukraine may be russian someday. it was a really troubling comment. and, you know, we heard actually, zelenskyy met with the guardian newspaper and said that, you know, ukraine wasn't going to be protected and its security wasn't going to be confirmed without american support, that european powers didn't have enough clout in order to protect ukraine. now, trump has said in the past few weeks that he's hoping to cut a

deal with ukraine that would basically get america's money back. that's the kind of language he's been using. trump wants to benefit from ukraine's supplies of rare earth metals in exchange for this ongoing aid, or for the past aid that the u.s. has provided ukraine during his campaign. you remember, trump had pledged to end the war in ukraine on his first day in office. now, obviously that hasn't happened yet, but this kind of full court press diplomacy, along with the stream of comments coming from the president himself, it's almost certainly raising alarms in kyiv. and it couldn't come at a worse time. russia has been slowly but steadily eating up ukraine's foothold in russia proper in that region of kursk, with the help of troops from north korea and the russian military, is making steady advances in eastern ukraine. so after nearly three years of war without full u.s. support, it's unclear how much longer kyiv can really hang on. chris. >> matt bradley, thank you. let's go to illinois now, where we just heard a press conference about alleged sexual abuse at youth centers in the state.

nbc's adrien brody's reporting. i know the state is trying to dismiss these cases. tell us the back you know, the back story here and where it stands right now. >> yeah. chris, the state has already. >> filed a. >> motion to. >> dismiss these cases. >> and attorneys representing these 100 alleged victims or 800 alleged victims. >> has already. >> filed a motion to appeal that. so there's going to be an oral argument later this month. but this is a case. >> that is. >> targeting illinois youth centers. >> across the. >> state, as. >> well as juvenile detention centers. now, this lawsuit alleges. >> the department. >> of corrections employees and illinois department of juvenile justice employees sexually abused people while in. >> their custody. >> and at the time, some of the. alleged victims were just as young as nine. >> moments ago, we heard. >> from attorneys representing these victims who say 91% of the people. >> assaulted were men, and they

say. this sexual abuse. >> happened in their cells, in their. >> showers. >> even in their bedrooms. >> one person speaking says because of the sexual abuse. he has dealt with other injuries. >> physical, emotional and psychological. >> take a listen. >> after that situation happened, i joined a gang in there to try to thinking that. >> that. >> was going to. >> help me. >> it didn't. i went home, just kept going back and forth to prison because i didn't know how to cope. i just came home july 7th of 2023. i'm still dealing with it. i have my first baby. he's ten months old and i mean, i deal with ptsd on a on a daily basis. i hardly get any sleep. >> these men, and in some cases women, have carried this pain with them for years. the number

of plaintiffs right now i want to repeat is at 800. just yesterday this came out more than 130 additional people joined this lawsuit. and what. >> they're. >> describing, they're only. identified by their initials. but what they're describing. is tough to read. one man told us today that his accused abuser entered his room and covered his mouth so he could not scream for help. attorneys for these men say some of the accused are still employed. by the state and county. >> chris adrian broaddus, thank you. and coming up, californians displaced by the historic wildfires now have another problem to worry about. piles and piles of toxic waste. the new threat that has residents new threat that has residents taking to the streets in want a next level clean? swish with the whoa of listerine. it kills 99.9% of bad breath germs for five times more cleaning power

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>> safely removing. >> miles of toxic debris. >> both president trump. >> and california governor newsom have. >> asked the epa. >> to speed. >> up the first. >> phase of the process. >> we need. >> it done in 30 days. the original commitment was 60 days spare, no resources. >> one of. >> the epa's debris. >> processing sites, laureate. >> park, located 15 miles east of the altadena burn zone on land owned by the federal government but long. >> operated by. >> l.a. county. so this is the park that's now been turned into this processing center. it's usually a public park with a bike path that runs through here. all of it is now closed to the public, though from what we can see, there's a large tent that's been set up. the epa says this is where they are bringing the debris. they're then sorting it and packaging it up for disposal. >> the use of this site in. >> the largely. >> latino and working class. >> community has sparked outrage. >> why not? >> altadena residents. >> packing a recent town hall? >> can you. look me in the. >> eyes and. >> say. >> would you allow. >> your children. your elderly? >> would you live in. >> a place. >> where. >> this is going on? >> the woman. >> who asked that question,

lisa, lisa. >> this was. >> a path of least resistance. they felt. >> like we wouldn't. >> put up a fight. personally. >> i feel like it's a part of environmental racism too. >> the epa says the. >> site is safe and that. >> it will ensure no negative impact to the environment or its residents. but for lisa. >> it's too late. >> the bridge of trust has been broken. >> and it's not just residents. >> the four. >> mayors representing the cities surrounding laureate park tell nbc news they were blindsided. were any of you contacted. >> by anybody. >> ahead of time, or informed that this was going to be the site where the debris was coming? >> absolutely not. no. >> i was watching the news. and that's how i found out. >> you found out? >> watching the local news? >> yes. >> no communication. >> chief of police thought it was. a sandbag distribution. >> kind of. >> looked. >> like a rodeo was coming to town. >> they questioned if the new 30 day timeline played a role. >> the governor. >> in competition with the president, is trying to expedite. everything that's through. this process. feels like we're in the crosshairs, per se. >> nbc news has reached. >> out. >> to several agencies seeking answers about who knew what and

when. l.a. county supervisor hilda solis, who represents cities around laureate park, declined to be interviewed but told nbc news that the decision was made by the epa and the u.s. army corps of engineers. when nbc news asked when the county first learned the park may be used as a hazardous waste site, her office did not respond. but according to the epa, the agency first approached the county about the site on january 16th, nine days before any of the local mayors or residents say they became aware of the plan. >> i believe the higher ups knew what was happening. >> higher ups. >> who? >> the federal. >> the government. >> the president, the governor. >> they failed to inform us. >> we need to make sure that the assurances are there in place. >> that after they pick up their tents and. material and. >> leave. >> that we're not left. >> in this. >> region being. >> affected from. >> years to come. >> liz creutz, nbc news. >> los angeles. and joining me now, heather mcteer toney, executive director of beyond petrochemicals and former regional administrator for the

epa. you just heard from those concerned residents. you heard from the blindsided, you know, mayors. is it even clear what is the safest way to clean up this astronomical amount of toxic waste? and should it be, you know, the formal plan to at least let the local mayors know about it? >> chris, i can tell you, as a former mayor of greenville, mississippi, and from working in region four of epa, there is a very delicate dance of collaboration that has to take place to ensure that we're both supporting communities that are rebuilding, as well as protecting their health. so what we're talking about in this particular circumstances are plastics and plastics contain chemicals and petrochemicals that become dangerous when they're burned and released into the air. and our homes are full of plastic. so everything from the insulation to flooring to vinyl siding to paint everything creates a very toxic cocktail of

chemicals that are associated with a lot of health problems. so these mayors are having to think not only about the cleanup, but also what are going to be the long term effects in their communities. and that's why it's so important to have these conversations with one another. >> so does that danger dissipate the more it's exposed to the air? is a 30 day cleanup just in terms of not just getting the stuff out of there, which seems to me a tremendous amount of work to get done in 30 days just to clear the space. but is it likely, then, that the toxicity of it has gone away? >> that's something that is only going to we'll only know over time because you're absolutely right. let's think about the fire that took place in lahaina, hawaii. that was roughly 2000 structures and that took four months to clean up. the los angeles fires are far more massive, and we're looking at anywhere between 9 to 15,000 structures that have to be cleaned up in a month. so the

mere scale of that is extraordinary, and ensuring that it's done safely and well. i think that's the point that we have to focus on, because the safely handle this crisis and protect the health of communities, it is essential that we communicate very clearly and transparently with these communities because the goal here is to reduce the harm at every step of this process and to do the job right until the job is done. so that's going to require us to really look, assess and think through it step by step. but more importantly, listen to the people who are living in the spaces that are impacted by both these burns and the toxic chemicals. >> and then add to that what we talked about at the top, which is there's going to be big rains, right? and protests actually broke out this week about storing some waste next to a california state beach. people there are concerned the rain could create runoff and then contaminate the beach. the ocean. is that a real risk? >> it absolutely is. the fire

department has already begun to put out release, to let people know that there will be rains that are coming, and that requires them to do an ocean water advisory, because the runoff, it is potential that it could not saying that it would, but it could run off and contain toxic chemicals and carcinogens and petrochemicals that would end up in the water. the pond, beach, sand. so beach users are going to be advised to stay away from any type of fire debris on the beach. now, i have to say this, chris, because career epa staff, they have been doing emergency management and just the mission of the environmental protection agency is first to protect human health and the environment. so those career staff members, they are absolutely thinking about what is the best way to protect human health along these spaces. they're going to need the support, though, of a administration who is concerned about people and the long term

impact of these petrochemical chemical hazards onto the communities and populations where they're present. >> heather mcteer toney, thank you so much. appreciate your time. well, pope francis is taking aim at vice president j.d. vance in a new rebuke of the trump administration. the pope, criticizing the administration's plans for mass deportations of migrants in a letter to u.s. bishops, warning it will end badly. in that letter, he also addressed vice president vance's attempts to invoke a catholic theology, known in latin as automeris, to defend the migrant crackdown. the vice president says it's about loving one's own family, neighbor and community before loving those outside of their country. the pope wrote. this christian love is not a concentric expansion of interests that little by little extend to other persons and groups. the true auto amoris that we must that must be promoted, is that which we discover by mediating

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southern border. but it also means he won't spend any time in prison. msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin joins me now. he faced up to 15 years if convicted. walk us through what we know about this deal. >> chris. >> part of what we know about this deal is that both. sides seem to have believed that a trial would not have been in their best interest. steve bannon's defense lawyer, arthur aidala. talking to the press after the plea deal. basically saying that he and others had concluded that steve bannon surely would have been convicted in manhattan of these charges in pleading guilty today. steve bannon is obviously forgoing a 2 to 3 week trial. you might be asking yourself, what are the advantages here to the manhattan district attorney's office, which was prepared to try this case? well, one of the problems potentially for them is who their witnesses would have been and what the evidence would have come from. this is an investigation that initially started with the department of justice and the southern district of new york. these were

charges that were brought against steve bannon during the first trump presidency. president trump then pardoned steve bannon before the manhattan district attorney's office took up similar charges on the same facts. so you have to ask yourself, who would have testified at this trial? and given that the enmity between the federal government and alvin bragg's office is at an all time high, there may have been a calculus that they couldn't have gotten the cooperation that they really needed from federal actors before they went to trial. >> chris. >> lisa rubin, thank you. well, new york city has become the epicenter for the democratic opposition to donald trump, or at least the epicenter of attention brought on by what's expected to be a brutal battle for mayor. with congressional democrats at odds, including some of them voting for trump's cabinet nominees. democratic governors and big city mayors are increasingly emerging as a possible line of defense. new york's mayor, eric adams, was already facing a reelection fight before the justice department got involved in his

federal corruption case. but now this race, in one of the country's most democratic cities, will give us clues to how and who democratic voters want to answer trump's policies. joining me now, former communications director and spokesman for congressman hakeem jeffries, michael hardaway in new york city. a lot of democrats, frankly, were shocked. i mean, donald trump got 30%, which may not sound like a lot, but i think it was a seven point jump from his performance in 2020. and now you have polls showing that since his election, his approval ratings for all the slashing and burning have actually gone up. so do you think as we look at the challengers to mayor adams, and i think there's already six people have said they're going to run against him, we'll get some clue about sort of the democratic mindset. will they go with a moderate or will they go with a progressive? >> well. >> they need to go with someone who can address the sky high housing prices in new york city. new york city is the most unaffordable city in america. >> you got about it, right? >> you have studio apartments

going for $5,000. you've got the median home price going for a quarter of $1 million. that is unaffordable. and i think in some way that speaks to the support that donald trump got in the city. and i think that as we look at the election four months from now will be the deciding factor who's going to speak to the issues that working class new yorkers deal with? >> it's interesting that you say that because one of the big issues that helped mayor adams get elected was getting tough on crime, which reflected one of donald trump's biggest talking points. >> it's true. that's the other thing. we all take the subway in the city, and i think that, you know, subway crime is something people can immediately see and it's something they immediately vote on. and so that is also important. i'd say to you, there was a recent poll that came out that said, even though we have this wide field, you essentially have two people. you've got cuomo and you've got the mayor. >> and you think that's what it's going to come down to. >> i do. i think name recognition matters. there are many other talented people in that group, but name recognition matters. and the real question

again is who can deal with the affordable housing crisis in new york city? i think that is the deciding factor. >> so there's another wild card that some people are talking about. for all his slashing and burning, as i said, if you look at the polls, cbs news yougov polls never saw trump break 50% his entire first term. now he's at 53%. when you look at the mayor's race. does he get points for saying, you know what, i have a relationship with donald trump. we need to learn to work with donald trump. >> i think the latter is true. i think people want their politician to work with donald trump if it improves their lives. i think that is the case in new york, san francisco, miami, wherever. i think outside of that, people in democratic cities want their electeds to fight donald trump as much as they can. >> you know, you worked in that world. discontent among congressional democrats is not exactly breaking news, but arguably they've never needed to be more united than they do now. right? democratic governors on a

private call with chuck schumer, it's reported, push him to be tougher on trump. wall street journal reports frustrations abound with schumer and your old boss, minority leader jeffries. do they need to step it up? what are you hearing from democrats? >> democrats have to go nuclear. this nice guys. >> nuclear. >> it does not work against the guy that is there to win in his own way, writing letters and having all these press conferences is sweet. it's very nice. it does nothing against a guy like donald trump. they have to go nuclear if they're going to really reel him back in. and his war on the constitution, that is the only real way. >> is it one voter at a time to do they need to go into their districts, particularly members of congress, go back to their states, members of the senate? do they need to be more visible than maybe they are now? >> absolutely. you don't need to be in d.c. honestly, at this point, i wouldn't show up for any of these hearings. i'd be in my district or my state talking to the voters about why this administration is the worst we've seen in american history. that's what they should be doing in their states.

>> talking hasn't gotten them very far, has it? >> well, that's true because they're not on the same page, first of all. and second of all, they're responding. they need to make the weather be proactive instead of responding to all the nonsense that he throws out into the atmosphere. >> michael hardaway always good to have you here. thank you. and coming up, congressman jason crow joins me on how democrats are counting on the courts to help them fight back against donald trump's disregard what they see as disregard for the constitution. you're watching constitution. you're watching chris jansing reports only on ♪ (male vo) big. (female vo) small. essential. (male vo) big. small. essential. (female vo) big. small. (male vo) essential. (female vo) grande. (male vo) pequeño. (female vo) esencial. no matter what business you're in, verizon business has the network and solutions you need to power it.

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>> how the standards. >> have changed just a couple of years ago. there is no chance that somebody like this would. >> have been. >> confirmed for our top intelligence officer in our country, responsible for keeping america safe, responsible for the intelligence, for our allies and for our troops, a position that requires deep expertise and experience. it's a real problem. whether or not she is confirmed, congressman donald trump will, of course, overwhelmingly have the cabinet he wants doing for him what he wants. so what's the backstop when so many in your party have expressed concerns about illegality, about attacks on the constitution? are you counting on the courts? >> well, litigation is certainly one tool. the other. >> is organizing. >> and mobilizing. >> and communicating. right. we are drawing. >> attention to. what's happening. >> we're taking our. >> case across america. i'm taking it back to colorado, to. >> my constituents. >> and we're telling people what is and is not being. >> done in. >> their name. i'm

communicating. >> all the. >> time with coloradans, talking to them about, you know, all the culture war fare that the trump administration and republicans in congress are focusing on, and the fact that they're doing absolutely nothing right now to try to reduce the cost of groceries, to try to reduce the cost of housing, to do the things that everybody expects us to be doing. so, you know, we are communicating, we're mobilizing. we have, you know, 1439 days left of the trump administration. so we are building that infrastructure now to push back and to hold them accountable. >> here's something that i think, you know, surprised a lot of people, specifically on the economy, which you say you're talking to your constituents about. and, you know, things are bad when we're covering stories like egg heists. but in the new cbs news yougov poll, donald trump's approval ratings are up, even though a majority of those same people think his policies are making food prices go up. how do you stop someone who now has the support of 53% of

americans? when he says, i'm doing what voters hired me to do? and at least according to that poll, they're not blaming him in the way that they blame joe biden or kamala harris for high prices. >> well, first of all, let's not be confused about what those poll numbers are showing and what they're not. donald trump has still got one of the historically lowest approval ratings for a new president in the history of america, right? joe biden came into office in 2021 with a 57% approval rating to start, right, which is much higher than donald trump is right now. and donald trump is in the honeymoon phase of his presidency, right. and he's still historically low. so because they're in the honeymoon phase, he doesn't yet own the consequences of all of these policies, which are overwhelmingly unpopular and will be devastating for working class americans, from the cost of goods to our national security to our public safety almost across the board. so he

will own it. he will own it very soon. and that honeymoon phase will about to be will be over very soon. >> we'll see. democrats don't seem to have a lot of cards to play right now, but one that's been talked about a leverage point is not signing off on a budget which could force a government shutdown. are you willing to do that and under what circumstances? >> well, of course, we're not going to pass a budget that actually is going to make things worse for america and make things worse for my constituents. so we have to see i mean, i have not seen the budget because the republicans are very, very late. the house republicans actually have not disclosed any budget and even the framework for a budget yet. so this is governing, right? governing is not easy. it's hard. republicans have a really hard time figuring out how to do that. in fact, so long as republicans have been in charge of the house of representatives, it's always been the democrats that have come in and actually got a budget and passed the

budget to keep our government running. so we're going to see in short order whether or not they can put anything together. >> but if it comes to that, you're willing to consider a shutdown. >> well, we have to see what's in the budget, right? it makes no sense to say shutdown or no shutdown until there's even a framework for what a budget looks like, right? i'm not going to pass something that's going to make americans lives worse, and is going to be a blank check to the trump administration, right? i have an independent obligation as a member of congress to make sure i'm serving my constituents. i'm serving the country, and that's what i'm going to do. >> congressman jason crow, thank you. and just this morning, a small group of military families were protesting. defense secretary pete hegseth anti die push while in germany. it comes just one day after hegseth filed a controversial memo saying that the pentagon will no longer allow transgender people to join the military. for those already enlisted, the us military will stop performing or facilitating procedures associated with their gender transition. it follows

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you're not in bismarck, but people are still going to have their hands full there, right? >> yeah. i was just thinking that -23 degrees. >> definitely do. >> not know what that feels like. but you're right. we have back to back storms. >> that we're contending. >> with here. and at least that first storm that we're talking about, the epicenter of that was supposed to be right here in central kentucky. and we actually had a winter storm watch that began last night at 7 p.m. and is extended until 7 a.m. tomorrow morning. so we. saw a. >> lot of snow. >> it was really beautiful. for a while, i was telling folks that i felt like i was in a snow globe for several hours. we had about one inch of snow falling per hour for a few hours, and i would say that the accumulation on the ground around me right now is somewhere between 2 and 3in. but the good news for us here in kentucky is that we were nowhere near those temperatures you were talking about. at -23, we actually hovered around the 31 degree mark, which meant that if you look at the roads behind me, there wasn't any sort of accumulation on the roads. and

that's why you're seeing traffic flowing pretty smoothly. and we didn't have to deal with any of the black ice that officials were really worried about. now, central kentucky isn't really familiar with having huge blizzards here, but they actually did have a storm system come through just last month, and they had a lot of lessons learned from that. so this time around, they say that they were more prepared. they had about 40 dump trucks out there with 3000 tons of salt that were out there pre-treating the roads and putting salt out around 1200 miles of roads today. so, so far we haven't really heard about any significant accidents, fortunately. but we know that this weather system is moving on over to the east coast where you guys are, and we know that dc and philly are going to get pretty hard hit with up to six inches of snow there. virginia has already declared a state of emergency in west virginia could also see a significant accumulation. and that's all before the second snow storm system that you mentioned will be making its way from the great lakes to the midwest region. and then a third storm is actually

going to enter the mix over the weekend. and many of the areas that got hit this weekend. the good news, though, as we heard from the people over in d.c. who were buying sleds as this weather is actually perfect for throwing a snowball or two, the perfect kind of weather for a good snowball fight or making a snowman. chris. >> well, i like that you put a good, you know, twist on all of that. have fun out there, priya. no thank you. okay, we're going to go from cold to flu because a new wave of flu infections is now surging nationwide. doctor visits for the virus are at a 15 year high. as this dangerous strain spreads rapidly, especially among kids. nbc's maggie vespa is reporting from chicago. maggie, what are you hearing from doctors there? chris, we're hearing they expected. >> a surge. like they were kind of waiting. >> for something like this to. >> happen, but even the numbers are really striking them. again. >> as you said, doctor visits. >> for the flu. >> at a. >> 15 year high, according to the cdc. >> cases week to.

>> week are up more than 30% according to. their latest numbers. so this. >> is really sweeping across the country. it's sparing no corner. >> we have a list actually, of the states that are really. >> getting hit the hardest. >> you can see. >> massachusetts, michigan, nebraska, new. >> hampshire, like lots of the east coast. >> we're also including, by the way, new york city, new york state and new york city as well. they're surging there, too. and then the headline that. >> we're kind. >> of sporadically seeing popping. >> up across the country. >> and so keep in mind, this is localized and it's sort of hit or miss. so check with your local pharmacies. but we're seeing shortages there of typical drugs that a person would use to treat the flu like tamiflu. you see it on your screen. pharmacists say they frankly are running out amid this surge. here's some of what we're hearing from the professionals. >> the flu numbers. >> are so. >> high that it's really hard to even keep the supply up for people who are being tested positive. >> not only is it going to reduce your chance of getting sick, but if you do get sick, it's going to reduce. >> the symptoms that you. >> have and decrease the chance of you passing. >> on to a loved one.

>> yeah, and. one other kind of real world impact that we're seeing. and we saw this last week, chris, we talked about it. school districts shutting down. i talked to one superintendent in rural ohio who told me in her 40 year education career, she had never seen absentee rates for students and staff topping 25%. but she saw it last week. she closed schools for days. and here's the thing experts say they're likely to see these numbers continuing to rise. they don't think that we've kind of tapped out yet. the final note that a lot of people are making vaccination rates, flu shot rates have been plummeting, especially for kids. the latest data that we saw showed a 14% drop for pediatric flu vaccination rates in the last five years, experts say. make no mistake, that is absolutely driving this surge. and chris, obviously a lot of political context to add there. but just looking at the numbers, doctors say it's definitely a factor. >> maggie vespa, thank you. and that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for chris jansing reports every weekday, 1 to 3 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our

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