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nbc business correspondent brian chung. brian, a lot to unpack here, but what exactly might this mean for us? >> yeah. well, we got new government statistics this morning showing what prices look like in america. and to no one's surprise, prices are going up 3%. that's how much prices rose in january of this year compared to january of last year. you'll notice that that's an uptick from the december to december period rate of 2.9%. and when we unpack the categories where we saw some of this inflation. and by the way, you can see in the chart ahead of you that the rate of inflation has been trending up since the fall of last year. but it's really things like food, gas and also just the cost of putting a roof over your head, which they categorize as shelter. these are the monthly changes that you're seeing in front of you. you could see an acceleration in the rate of inflation for both food and shelter over that period. but of course, what's the price that most people notice? it's eggs. you can see that egg prices compared to this time last year about doubling. so yes, even though milk prices and gasoline prices are about the same as they were last year, it's of course those eggs at the store,

if you can even find them, that have really risen in price. i want to point out that this january report does cover the entirety of the month, so it would cover the period leading into president trump's inauguration. and then the about two week period after he was inaugurated. a little tough to say if we've seen the full impact of any sort of tariff war or tariff threat yet. but of course, we'll be watching this in the months to come, chris. >> and we'll be talking about it. brian chung, thank you. now to president trump's push to end the war in ukraine. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from brussels, where defense secretary pete hegseth addressed nato allies for the first time earlier today. so what are we hearing overall from the trump administration about how the war in ukraine might end? >> well, chris, ukraine. >> really suffered a12 punch. >> at. >> the hands. >> of. >> the trump administration today. >> first, you. >> had president. >> trump speaking to vladimir putin before he spoke to. volodymyr zelensky. >> he invited. >> putin to. >> the. >> white house. that was. >> not an. >> invitation he. >> extended to zelensky. and this is exactly.

>> what. >> the ukrainians. >> did not. >> want to happen to have the russians shaping the debate. as we head towards those potential peace talks. the second blow. delivered here in brussels. pete hegseth, making his debut. at nato as america's new defense secretary. and he made very clear that going forward, the united states expects. >> the. >> european allies to. >> supply the bulk. >> of the military aid to ukraine. he said the united states is prioritizing china and its own borders rather than european security, and he ruled out definitively ukraine joining nato as part of a peace deal with russia. take a listen to what he had to say. >> the united states. does not believe that nato membership for ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement. instead, any security guarantee must be backed by. capable european and non-european troops. if these. >> troops are deployed as

peacekeepers. >> to ukraine at any point, they should be deployed as part of a non nato mission and they should not be. >> covered under. >> article five. >> now, a quick reminder article five is the principle that an attack on one nato ally is an attack on all nato allies, and that is the guarantee that ukraine is looking for to make sure that vladimir putin does not invade their country once again, on the other side of a peace deal. that is not a guarantee the trump administration is prepared to give. to be fair, it is not a guarantee that the biden administration was eager to give, either. but in a major shift today, hegseth said that ukraine needed to abandon all hopes of regaining territory it lost to russia since 2014 by force. so that includes crimea, and that is a big shift from the biden administration's position. their line on that was that it was up to ukraine to set its own military objectives. and the role of the united states and nato was to put ukraine in as

strong a position as possible going into any negotiations. finally, chris, it was interesting that the united states did not chair that meeting at ukraine today on ukraine today at nato for the first time. it was chaired by the uk. up until now, it has always been the americans chairing that summit. >> chris raf sanchez, thank you. now to the demotions of two key ice officials. as nbc news reports, mounting frustration with the agency from inside the trump administration. nbc's julia ainsley reporting on this for us. so where exactly is this frustration coming from? well, it's starting at the top, chris, as kristen welker and i reported on friday. >> trump himself. >> has been angry that they haven't had more deportation numbers. >> it also. >> trickles down. >> we understand that his borders are. >> tom homan is. regularly on the phone with ice officials. >> saying they need to be making. >> more arrests and doing more deportations. to put. >> this in context, they're roughly doing about 1000 or or fewer. >> arrests per day. >> and in order to make.

>> good on trump's promise. >> of millions and millions. >> of deportations, they. >> would have to be. deporting 2800 people a day. and as we know, many of those arrested. >> are not. >> being deported. and so. >> chris, what this comes down to is they want some heads. >> to roll. and the first two that we're hearing about this. >> are russell hot. >> who was. >> head of. >> enforcement and removal operations. >> that's really the bread. >> and butter. >> of. >> what ice does. >> the people who. >> are doing the arrest and the deportations. >> he was. >> reassigned. >> demoted. >> as was his deputy, peter berg. >> these are both people. >> who did. >> serve in the biden administration. >> but they're really seen as career. >> officials, people who have been with the department. >> of homeland security. for a long time. and there was really. >> no indications that they gave any. >> kind of pushback. >> on trump's policy or they were standing in the way. quite the opposite. in fact, we were told that just last week, russell hot, who was head of ero, met with sheriffs and told them he would like to soon see sheriffs be able to make arrests of people who they suspected to be undocumented migrants at traffic stops. so that was obviously a step from where he

would have been under the biden administration. but as we understand, both those people have now been reassigned to roles where they won't have as much. >> power over that. >> and in statements to the media that the spokesperson for department of homeland security has said that they want people there who are. >> going. >> to carry out this mission and this promise of mass deportations. >> julia ainsley, thank you. now to capitol hill, where rfk jr. s nomination for hhs secretary is heading for a final confirmation vote tomorrow morning. nbc. sahil kapur is on the hill. what are we expecting? >> yeah. >> that's right, chris, the senate voted just about two hours ago to advance the nomination of rfk jr. for hhs secretary, it was a vote of 53 to 47, entirely along party lines. with every republican voting yes. all the democrats voted no. rfk scored a major get earlier today when senator lisa murkowski, the moderate republican from alaska, said she will support him, even though she continues to have concerns about kennedy's views on vaccines. and what she said is his selective interpretation of scientific studies.

nevertheless, murkowski said kennedy has, quote, made numerous commitments to me and my colleagues, promising to work with congress to ensure public access to information and to base vaccine recommendations on data driven, evidence based and medically sound research, unquote. now, there's a running theme here. senator bill cassidy told rfk at the hearing that he was worried about rfk's long history of anti-vaccine rhetoric, that cassidy, as a doctor, believes that that could cause preventable deaths. he said, too, that he had gotten assurances from kennedy about vaccines and that he will use his platform to positively influence americans. health. senator susan collins of maine said rfk promised her that he will reexamine nih funding cuts that this administration is eyeing, and she voted yes as well today. now, all of this tees up a final vote for tomorrow at 7 a.m. democrats have indicated they will burn the clock, force republicans to use up the debate time and not consent to a speedy vote. some democrats, including the ranking republican or the ranking democrat on the committee, bernie sanders, said he supports

some of the things that rfk has been talking about, including the power of big pharma, the dangers of processed foods, but said he cannot support him because of what he called dangerous disinformation on the safety of vaccines. that is the red line for democrats. finally, chris, i think it's notable how stacked the deck is for each of these nominees. in the senate. republicans have 53 senators and they can lose three senators. there simply aren't more than three senators who have proven willing to go against trump on any of these nominees. at this point, he is still the president is in his political honeymoon. and that's why rfk appears to be in good shape to get confirmed tomorrow. >> sahil kapoor, thank you. in 90s, the rising power of elon musk and the authority president trump has granted the richest trump has granted the richest man in the world. with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke.

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for every four employees that depart. but as the washington post points out, if the goal is to save money, eliminating 25% of federal employees would cut the overall budget by about 1%. at the same time, one union warned the move would decimate government services critical to the american public. trump and elon musk argue they're rooting out corruption, but offered zero proof. >> we do find it sort of rather odd. >> that. >> you know, there are quite a few people in in the bureaucracy who have a ostensibly a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars, but somehow managed to accrue tens of millions of dollars in net worth. >> we've already found billions of dollars, not like a little bit billions, many billions of dollars. and when you get down to it, it's going to be probably close to $1 trillion. it could be close to $1 trillion that we're going to find. >> i want to bring in princeton

university professor eddie glaude. and with me here in studio, new york times reporter jeremy peters. both are msnbc contributors. i mean, first, jeremy, the visual aspect of this, you have president trump behind the resolute desk, but this was a press availability dominated by elon musk. but let me ask you about the actual order that was signed, because it gives musk's team the power to go into every single agency and determine who to hire and fire. so what's this going to look like going forward? >> well. >> i think it's very uncertain, right? >> because the courts. >> have shown a. >> willingness to step in. >> and block a number. >> of these. >> cuts so far. and to curb some of president trump's. assumed authority. the devil. >> is going to be in the details in a lot of these. >> cuts, chris. >> because you. >> know, what. >> we've often seen when it comes to trump plans, especially. as they relate to tariffs or, you know, spending cuts of any time. >> is there. >> are plenty of escape hatches

that republicans have built for themselves in. >> here already. >> you're seeing signs on capitol hill that republicans are asking for special exemptions and considerations. this did happen. >> with tariffs. >> where businesses could go before. >> a commission. >> and say, this. is why. >> i should not. >> pay this. tariff on. >> a on a good from china. and there were a lot of. >> businesses that managed to escape paying. >> those tariffs. ■so again. >> this is not the kind of broad sweeping, you know. across the. >> board cut. >> i think that trump and musk are trying to sell us on. >> and eddie. elon musk says he's being transparent. but he brushed off any conflict of interest concerns. and he and the president made all these claims about billions in fraud, offered no proof, just frankly, as trump never provided any proof that the 2020 election was stolen because it wasn't. i mean, do you think at some point the american people are going to say, we need you to justify what you're doing, especially if they

start to feel it, if government services start to go away, or an awful lot of people know folks who work for the federal government who seem to be collateral damage in all of this. >> i think that's the. >> absolutely right, chris. i think at the moment when. the tangible. >> material, concrete effects of these actions. >> begin to impact. >> people's lives. >> there are going. >> to be some questions, some hard questions asked. i think there are three things that we need to. >> to keep in. >> to keep in view. >> one is the constitutionality. >> of all of this, and jeremy alluded to it. >> this is in some ways. >> an. example of. >> the. overreach of executive power. some of these agencies are statutorily mandated. so what what is the special government employee who. >> doesn't have to. >> disclose engage. >> in financial disclosures? >> what does it mean that he has access to all of this data? >> that's the. >> first thing. the second thing, of course, has to do with policy. what does it mean to destroy usaid and the human cost of that? what does it mean to freeze nih and what it will have

in terms of cancer research, in terms of how universities and colleges function? and then, more importantly, you can talk about efficiency and the like. you're only getting 1% of the federal budget. what are the human costs? think about folk who are taking care, who have raising families, who have mortgages, who are trying to pay for college and what is happening here and for what purposes and what ends. these people have no concern about the very people that they're leaving on the cutting floor. >> yeah, jeremy, some of the things they're saying are straight up false. i mean, there's that story about, oh, 50 million. then it became $100 million worth of condoms being sent to gaza. not true. and here's what musk said when he was challenged on that. >> some of. >> the things that i say will be incorrect and should be corrected. so nobody's going to bat a thousand. i mean, any, you know, we will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes. >> but in the meantime, what happens to the people? as eddie points out, who? i keep going back to this, but they're in the

protests. early on, there was a little kid holding a sign. my mom and dad both lost their jobs. people are getting fired left and right, or at least put on leave right, left and right. what more do we know about the real world impact here? >> well, eddie's exactly right that this has yet. >> to. >> shake out. >> and at the moment. >> the democrats. >> the democrats. >> best critique. >> of what musk. >> and trump are. doing is that they are enriching themselves. >> and their their billionaire friends, that they are looking. >> out for. only the. >> wealthiest americans here by eliminating protections for the, you know, the consumer, the cfpb. right. >> so and. >> government institutions like that that are meant to protect people. >> trump voters, though, have given him an extraordinary. >> amount of leeway and, you know. >> have an. >> exceptionally high tolerance for chaos. >> and so. >> i think when he says we are cutting this, we are we are making this more efficient.

>> people will. >> believe him. >> until they start to see a. >> diminishment of. >> a. >> service that. >> they have come to rely on. >> or some type of government benefit scaled back. so i think until you start to see. >> that happening, there's probably going to be very. >> little, little. impact from this very. true democratic rebuttal that what trump is doing here is not, in fact, looking out for the little guy. >> i think there's an op ed in the new york times that calls this whole thing a governmental soap opera. tressie mcmillan cottom went on to say, in trump, in musk, trump has found something important for his stylistic approach to authoritarianism. musk's fans love his narration of power as a vicarious, game like experience of dominance. he clarifies the scary world for them, putting it in terms they understand bad guy, good guy, evil villain, kill, win. this is propaganda, but it is also a skilled

manipulation of content in a content saturated culture. is it fair to say that the outcome of this debate won't be about what's happening to government, or the constitution, or hardworking americans, but who frames it in more easily digestible terms? >> yeah, that speaks volumes about who we are, chris, is that right? i mean, we're not dealing with the substance of the impact of these policy choices or these these actions, but rather how it's narratively framed. and, you know, americans love their melodrama. we want to see our enemies, our heroes, be be wholly virtuous. and our enemies are the are the are the are the villains to be completely sinister. and we know human beings are much more complex than that. what we do need to do, i think, is to begin to unpack. i know we can't do this at the level of politics, chris, but we need to unpack the ideology driving this. there's greed, of course there's grift, of course, but there's also this idea of deconstructing the administrative state, which

reveals, excuse me, that they don't have a real robust sense of the public good. what is the responsibility of government to ensure certain standard of living for everyday, ordinary americans, to ensure that we are eating healthy food, to ensure that our children are vaccinated? and so they're deconstructing all of these elements, and you have to ask for what ends and for what purposes. that can't be answered with melodrama. it has to be answered with the complexity of actual human beings trying to take care of each other. >> eddie glaude, jeremy peters, thank you for that. it's such an important conversation. coming up. winter weather wallop, the dangerous conditions forcing hundreds of school delays and closures. we will get a live report from chicago as it braces for its biggest snowstorm of the season, plus the weather risk in california after those wildfires. and that risk is expected to last for two days. you're watching chris jansing you're watching chris jansing reports on i brought in ensure max protein

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chicago, where this new storm is expected to hit hard. it looks a little like a winter wonderland there, but what are the conditions right now? oh. >> chris, it's. >> hitting hard as we speak. i'll step out of the way and just kind of show. >> you what the roads. >> look like. they haven't been plowed today yet at all, as you can see. and that's because all of. this snow fell in the last, like, three hours. we had nothing on the ground this morning. and throughout the day, local forecasters are saying we could see up to an inch falling per hour. you can see people are driving pretty much normally at the moment, which is obviously good news. it's thankfully we don't have like a layer of ice beneath this. but make no mistake, even for chicago, this is an intense storm. you just talked about the delays nationwide that struck me. that's snow falling off our tent. don't you love that? that's jumped roughly 1200 in the last hour or so. so if you are traveling, if you're flying today, definitely keep an eye on your flight. i knew this was going to happen during our lodging. >> an umbrella. and, you know, making no snow come down on you.

>> we joked about that. our crew threatened to do that to me, and we're all laughing together. isn't this fun? it happened exactly as i predicted. this is just a this is just my luck. no, but truth be told, it is a mess across much of the region. this is expected to be by the time it gets to like 10:00 tonight. the biggest snowfall chicago's seen this entire winter. and of course, as you said, this is like the second of three systems kind of barreling across the country. basically with that third one expected over the weekend. so everybody really bracing for kind of the biggest sort of winter wallop, to use that cheesy phrase that we've seen all year long. and again, even for a city like chicago, this is a lot. chris, we'll send it back to you before the entire tent comes down on my face. >> be careful out there, maggie. vespa. thank you. oh, jeez. let's go to california now. where rain is causing big concerns that flash floods could wreak havoc on wildfire burn scar areas, triggering mudslides and as a result, toxic runoff.

protective walls made of concrete barriers and more than 300,000 sandbags are in place across almost 120 miles of southern california. nbc meteorologist bill karins is here. and big question is when are we going to see the worst of this? >> yeah, and. >> toxic runoff. >> i mean, that's just that's. >> a sentence. no one should even. be in. >> the way. >> of that or evacuating. >> from it. and that's the mess we're dealing with. these are the. >> same people that had. >> to evacuate. >> for the fires. >> and there's going to be new evacuation orders coming. so just it's the whole thing is just a real obviously it's a disaster, but it's just tragic. so this storm is going to be a slow moving one. it's going to come in waves. we have a little bit of rain today and then tomorrow is when the brunt of it comes in. it's not just the burn scar areas. we do have flood watches that go from sacramento to red bluff, san francisco, san jose, all the way back down through santa barbara and even to san diego. so it's a good chunk of a lot of metro areas in

california. so here's how it plays out. so a little bit of rain today, but i want you to watch as we go throughout thursday. >> this yellow. >> area right in here, these are the mountainous areas are really going to get. someone could get up to 6 to 10in of rain. and if that happens near a burn scar, you can only imagine what that does. the soil is just going to become mud and it's just going to flow down the hills. there's no trees or. brush or, you know, vegetation to hold it in place anymore. so this is 8 p.m. thursday, so it'll be during the day tomorrow that in and around los angeles. and of course, the big burn scar areas will get the worst of it by the time we get to friday. it all blows out. so we've already got this area painted here from malibu all the way through santa barbara and los angeles. included in this in the moderate risk of flash flooding, wouldn't surprise me if this gets jumped up to a high risk tomorrow because of that threat for the really, you know, amounts of rainfall that could be 6 to 10in in some of the coastal mountains here. and of course, we're talking about, you know, malibu, the palisades fire area, and then altadena, just north of pasadena, too. and yeah, as we mentioned, the storm does head out of here. but,

chris, you know, cal fire was already saying, you know, they're already calling in extra resources. people aren't being allowed to go back to the burn scar areas. they want everyone out of the way. they're worried about saving lives again in these same areas. >> bill karins, thank you. and another big problem stemming from the california wildfires. the insurance plan of last resort has so many claims it's run out of money. so state regulators are jumping in with a big money bailout. nbc's steve patterson is reporting that story for us. so i guess the obvious question is, will people who lost their homes, their cars, potentially everything, get the money that they're owed? >> yeah. >> chris. >> unfortunately. >> like so much in this crisis, the answer to your. >> question is to. >> be determined. >> but i think it exposes. >> what so many people have felt about the fire insurance market in california, which is that it. is not sustainable. the fair plan, which is the one that you've mentioned, is. meant to be a. last resort if you can't. >> get. >> private insurance. >> the problem is that so many private insurance companies have pulled out of the state in areas like this, because they see it as too much of a risk, which means that hundreds of thousands

of homeowners in the last few years have jumped onto the fair plan, including people that own multi-million dollar homes in places like the pacific palisades. which means that in a crisis like this, the fair plan simply doesn't have enough. enough to cover the cost of those claims and to stay solvent. >> so it. >> will draw from these private insurance companies that are forced to pay into the plan anyway. and there's a state regulation which essentially says that these companies can basically pay for about half of this billion dollars through drawing money from its policyholders, which means that millions of people in, in effect, are going to help pay for this. in essence, the hope is that it helps people like you mentioned, that have lost everything in this fire, but we just don't know. in the meantime, it's sort of perpetuating the cycle, which is that climate change is bad. these wildfires are getting worse, which means that more insurers pull out of the state, which means that more homeowners jump onto the fair plan, which means that in a situation like this, they can't pay the claims, which means that more assessments go to these private insurers anyway, which means

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specific rationale for the firing in each of these cases. and the eight plaintiffs here are saying and none of their cases did either of those two things happen. they're asking a court to immediately restore them to their former jobs. understanding, of course, that if the president were to follow that procedure, their jobs could be at risk. but there's one other catch. seven of the eight of them were members of what's called the senior executive service. that's a category of civil servant. and under the law, all seven of those folks are entitled to be restored to positions in the senior executive service. that's not an option that's been presented to them thus far. all of them were given some variation of an email from a white house staffer that says, effective immediately, you're removed. so even if the president were to follow that right procedure, they're saying we're entitled to jobs in the government by federal law. >> lisa rubin, thank you. and in fact, the usaid inspector general sent packing, got his news via email. and that email, obtained by nbc news says he's

being fired, quote, on behalf of president donald trump. it came just a day after he released a report warning that the trump administration's staffing cuts to usaid could mean that u.s. money ends up going to terror organizations. joining me now is former republican congressman charlie dent. it's good to see you, congressman. i mean, it is a strong accusation, but is that a firable offense or doing his job, which, frankly, is speaking truth to power? >> well, i know paul. >> martin very well. >> we went to college together. we're very good friends. we've known each other over. 40 years. he's an honorable man. he's a great integrity. he's simply doing his job. he is these inspectors general provide. they're independent and. >> they provide. >> valuable information to. >> congress about. >> potential waste. fraud and. >> abuse within federal departments. >> and agencies. and that's exactly. what the usaid ig paul martin did. >> he provided a report. >> suggesting that maybe as much

as a half $1 billion. >> could be lost. >> or. >> wasted because. >> of the dismantling. >> of usaid. >> i think it's egregious that these igs have been have been fired. >> again. >> as i was on the appropriations committee, and i relied heavily. on the reports from these inspectors general to find areas of waste. >> it was really important. >> and many folks in the administration, i'm. >> sure. >> were always nervous about the igs because they were always looking over the shoulders. >> of the. >> folks in the departments to make. >> sure they. >> weren't wasting money. >> well, let's talk about one example that we're hearing. usaid report says more than $489 million worth of food aid is just sitting at ports and warehouses or in transit, and is at risk of spoiling. there are people who are going hungry, and you have something close to half $1 billion in food aid that may go bad. how urgent is that need? and is there anything at this

point that congress or anyone else can do to see that this stuff gets to where it needs to go? >> well, there's an urgency here because remember, so many of these usaid employees. have been placed on administrative leave. so we don't have necessarily the people in place to deliver the food. they can't deliver the food. so it's sitting in warehouses or on ships. so what do you do with this food? it's going to spoil. and wherever it is right now, and i don't know that they can return this. and a lot of the organizations. >> that are. providing this. >> aid are also not being paid. >> so we have. >> one hell of a problem here. and so what inspector general martin identified is that this food is in fact probably going to spoil. it's not going to get to the people, the desperate people who need it. they're not they're not going to get it. >> and. >> by the way, many american farmers right now are also struggling because this is this is american grown, grown food that is going to be lost and wasted. it's really tragic. and

so right now, i think it's imperative for congress to step in and protect these inspectors general. they need those folks to help them do their jobs better to exercise. proper oversight on on these departments and agencies. >> we're almost out of time. but but the whole idea that we heard from elon musk for doge was to save money and to uncover corruption. are you doing either of those things by firing these inspectors general? >> no. i mean. >> if doge. >> were smart about their activities. >> they'd be working. >> closely with these inspectors general to identify waste. they would be they should be their, their allies in this project. but doge has. >> taken. on a. >> role, not an advisory role, which i thought that's what they were supposed to do. good for them. if they want to identify waste and tell congress about it. but they've taken on operational activities like shutting down, dismantling. >> usaid. >> you know, getting involved with the treasury payment system, all sorts of things that

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presidential. campaign that was really. >> geared on what folks thought was the number one issue, and that was making life. more affordable for most americans, especially after the inflation crisis that. occurred beginning in 2021 as a result of the pandemic. >> well, here we are. >> the first big budget, the economic agenda, not just for the next year, but over the next decade. and what we see is $4.5 trillion of tax cuts, almost all of which go to the richest 1% of americans. but that's not all the way they proposed to pay for that $4.5 trillion of tax cuts is through deficit financing, combined with almost $900 billion in cuts to medicaid and obamacare. so at the end of the day, it's going to be middle class families that pay for a tax cut. that mostly goes to the top 1%. >> we heard elon musk in the in the oval office yesterday say yesterday, saying there's too much debt that we're in the

hole. so are you behind the strategy to slow down the budget, maybe to the point of a shutdown, if what some of your democratic colleagues have called donald trump and elon musk's illegal, unconstitutional interference with congressional power is sort of represented in this budget. >> well, a couple quick points on this. first, when it comes to the national debt, it's ironic that elon musk would say that while standing in the oval office, a few feet away from president trump, because the president, who has added the most to our national debt in american history is donald trump. that is a fact. over $8 trillion of added spending to the national debt. the second point that i would make is this people are talking about a hypothetical government shutdown a month from now. we are already seeing a shutdown of government agency after government agency done, by the way, in a way that is completely illegal and

unconstitutional. we've seen it at the consumer financial protection bureau, we've seen it at usaid. we now may next see it at the department of education. so what i would like to do is ensure that all of these shutdowns that have already occurred actually get rolled back. and i'm certainly going to use any vote i have as leverage to make sure that we correct all of this unconstitutional, illegal behavior that we are seeing from co-president musk and his dodge crew. >> well, it looks like the budget might be in trouble. politico just reported, congressman, that republicans do not have the conservative votes to pass it, at least as it's currently seen. they wrote, quote, hardliners, including two who sit on the house budget committee, want an additional guaranteed 500 billion in spending cuts. the draft budget, as you know, includes a direction to committees to find hundreds of billions of dollars in so-called savings, either through spending cuts or new revenue. where's this going?

you've been around for a little while. you know the members of your committee. where's this going right now? >> well, let's be clear right now, republicans have a majority in the house, a majority in the senate, and they have the white house. so if there is a full government shutdown, it will be because republicans want to fully shut down the government tomorrow in the budget committee. we will be marking up. it will be a historic day. perhaps the most important day over the next, next decade in terms of setting what our financial priorities will be as a country. we'll start at 10:00 in the morning, and we'll probably go well into the night. i am optimistic that every single democrat will see things the way i do, that this is a deeply irresponsible budget proposal. i expect that every single democrat will vote it down. and if we get a few other republicans to join us, then it will stop there. if they are able to get it out of committee tomorrow night, then the next step, obviously, would be to go

to the full committees that are directed by the budget resolution. so it's an important day tomorrow, and i hope all americans who are concerned about what is going on will tune in, because tomorrow will be a very crucial day. >> congressman brendan boyle, you've got your work cut out for you. thank you for taking the time to talk to us. appreciate it. we've got some other breaking news. the aclu has just filed a lawsuit challenging the trump administration's policy of sending immigrants to guantanamo bay. nbc's julia ainsley has the latest on this. what can you tell us, julia? >> yeah. >> that's right. chris, this is a. >> lawsuit that. >> actually has some of the family members of the migrants who have been sent to guantanamo bay. and what the lawyers here are arguing is that these people have been sent from the u.s. to guantanamo with no access to counsel. and they say that obviously, if they were being detained by ice inside the united states, they would have daily access to know your rights presentations to legal counsel, people who could present their cases for asylum, to be able to stay in the united states or

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