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$5 lineup. >> download the app. >> price pics. run your game. >> that does it for us. the reidout with joy reid is up now. hi joy. >> how are you doing? ari? thank you very. much and thank you all for joining us tonight. we have a lot to get to in the next hour of the readout, including the stunning resignation of six federal prosecutors, including a former clerk to the late conservative justice antonin scalia, who refused to do trump's bidding and dropped and dropped charges against democratic new york mayor. eric adams. manhattan's u.s. attorney daniel sassoon forcefully telling trump's new attorney general, pam bondi, that the deal to drop the charges was an improper offer and quite expressly a quid pro quo being carried out by the white house.

so that's happening, and we'll have much more on it coming up soon. but we begin tonight with the bait and switch. even as grocery prices are soaring, despite trump's promises to lower them starting on day one of his second presidency, there is heightened fear and anxiety across the country as elon musk, the world's richest unelected south african oligarch who despite his own questionable immigration story, has used his twisted version of twitter to weaponize anti-immigrant hysteria, anti-semitism and even racist science, and bought his way into the oval office, where he quite literally stands over the elected president of the united states. and he's now taking a buzzsaw to american democracy and gutting services that millions of americans rely on, burning our government to the ground and salting the ashes. >> we do need to. >> delete entire agencies as

opposed. >> to leave part of them behind, because if you leave part of them. >> behind, it's easy. it's kind of like leaving a weed. >> if you don't. >> remove the. >> roots of the weed. then it's easy for the weed to grow back. but if you remove the roots of the weed. it doesn't. >> stop. >> weeds from ever growing back. but it makes it harder. >> so. >> so we have to really delete entire agencies. >> many of them. >> musk is moving fast to break it all. today, all probationary staff were fired at the federal office of personnel management. basically, america's hr department employees were given one hour to gather their things. opm management, who survived the cuts, advised a number of other federal agencies to lay off the majority of their probationary employees, with some exceptions. yesterday, a federal judge declined to pause musk's federal government retirement program, which has already been taken by more than 75,000 federal workers, which we cannot confirm

independently. it's destabilizing and frightening for so many americans. hours ago, reuters. reported that one of musk's top officials, gavin klieger, arrived at the irs to begin examining its operations and looking to potentially fire all of. their probationary agents who helped claw back eight, who helped claw back $1 billion from millionaire tax cheats. this news comes just two days after musk signaled that doge has set its sights on social security, and musk and his doge junior staffers continue to target government agencies rifling through highly sensitive data and choking off social safety programs like medicaid and food stamps, while simultaneously ending enforcement of anti-corruption. anti-corruption officials who are targeting corporations and, of course, slopping up hundreds of millions of dollars in new contracts for his own companies, all at taxpayer expense. the

response of the american people has not been paralysis. instead, it's been resistance. it's a movement that's showing up in places from connecticut to kentucky and beyond, in the form of protests and at town halls held by members of congress across the country. >> i get the honor to work with friends in the. >> federal government. >> who. >> are scientists and nih. >> researchers. and those folks are terrified. >> and i said to them. directly that we need them. to fight. >> meanwhile, doing their part to dismantle everything about america that helps you. congressional republicans are looking to pass legislation via the express process called reconciliation, that would codify all of this and take it one step further. they're looking to make everything the musk trump administration desires permanent, including that 2017 massive tax cut for america's wealthiest and for big corporations, and paying for it all with brutal cuts to medicaid, snap, head start, and maybe even raising taxes on things ordinary people need like

college scholarships. today, house republicans unveiled their long awaited budget resolution that would kick start the process. >> it's been a long time since we've taken a good, hard look. >> at where. >> we at, how the federal government operates, and when you start looking under the hood, folks, it is pretty bad. >> this bill will hurt people if this plan goes through. >> mr. smucker. >> 26,000. >> people receive coverage under the aca in your district will see their premium go up by $2,400. >> per year. >> 98,000 people in your. >> district on medicaid are at risk of losing. >> their coverage. >> 45,000 children. >> and 7000 seniors. meanwhile, the top 1%. >> get a tax cut of $314,000. >> that's what this bill does. >> this is just. >> the first agency. and. >> we've got. >> many more to come. >> like social security. we have. >> many more to come. >> like the department of education. they're going. >> to see. >> the american people are going to see where their. >> tax. >> dollars have.

>> been spent. >> joining me now is house democratic leader hakeem jeffries. leader jeffries, thank you so much for being here. i think it's become very clear that the cut and slash and burn of these federal agencies pushing out federal employees and zeroing out. programs like usaid. et cetera. is the bait and the switch is there going to ram through this tax cut that's going to mainly benefit the top 1% income earners and big corporations, and they're going to make poor people, people on medicaid pay for it, people on food stamps. so my question to you, you have said in the past that you want to you're looking to negotiate with your republican colleagues. we want to find bipartisan common ground in funding the government to meet the needs of the american people. does that mean a single democrat, or you will allow any in your caucus to vote for this budget? >> well, it's. >> great to be with. >> you, joe. >> we've got. >> two things. going on at the same time. >> there's the. >> funding of the federal government. >> and that is. >> approaching a.

>> march 14th deadline. and traditionally, the appropriators house democrats, house republicans, senate. democrats and senate republicans sit down and try to find common ground on an agreement. >> that meets the needs. >> of the american people in. >> terms. >> of their. >> health, their. >> safety, their. >> national security. and their economic well-being. in the context of funding the federal government's operations, separate and apart from that. and we'll see what happens as we approach march 14th in that regard. but separate and apart from that is the. republican effort to. >> jam a budget down the throats. >> of the american people. which is in connection with the hearing that is ongoing today, that is at the heart and soul of the republican bait and switch. first, they promised the american people that they would drive down the high cost of living. they've lied. second. >> their true goal. >> is to enact massive. tax cuts for their billionaire donors. >> and wealthy. >> corporations.

>> which is. >> at the. >> heart of. >> this budget proposal. and they want that to be paid for by working class americans and everyday americans, by doing things like ending medicaid as we know it. it's my expectation. >> that not a. >> single democrat will support this reckless effort. >> what's the point of passing a budget if republicans have already conceded that they're not in charge, that you all that congress is not in charge of spending money? elon musk is. what's the point of passing a budget if it's really elon musk's decision whether that budget is adhered to? >> well. >> what. >> the republicans. >> are doing is they're using the budget reconciliation process that requires. >> of. >> course, a simple majority vote in the house. >> right now. >> there are 218 republicans and 215 democrats. but more importantly, from the standpoint of what the extreme maga republicans are trying to do is. >> that. >> they are using the budget

reconciliation process so they can evade the filibuster in the senate. effectively. >> they want to. >> try to jam this budget down the throats of the american people in a partizan way. it's not something that democrats, of course, would ever be expected to support. but the key point in the house, given the closeness of the margins, is that to stop any of this bad stuff from happening, it only takes three house republicans to do the right thing on behalf of the people that they represent, to stand up for children and seniors and people with disabilities and veterans who will be hurt badly by this republican budget proposal. >> but we've seen leader jeffries that there aren't three. there aren't any. if donald trump announced tomorrow that he was selling the united states to vladimir putin personally, and that we will now be owned by the kremlin, every single republican would say yes, sir and vote for it. we already have seen their behavior. we've

stopped. i think most of us have stopped expecting any different behavior from them. so the question to me is the leverage that democrats have at this point is coming up in march, and republicans have never been shy about using the debt limit to hold democrats hostage. you all now are the ones in a position to do that, to essentially attempt to prevent the debt limit from being raised, by withholding any support, any help, any assistance. are you prepared to use that leverage and say, if you all want to shut the government down, do it by yourselves? >> well, republicans have the responsibility to fund the government. that's clear as it approaches the march 14th deadline with respect to the debt ceiling. we already rejected a republican effort in late december to try to give donald trump a $4 trillion blank check by suspending the debt ceiling for either 2 to 4 years so he could enact the gop tax

scam. democrats are on record rejecting that. we did it in december. now, with respect to when we will actually hit the debt ceiling, that is likely to come at some point as early as june 1st. it could come as late as august 1st. so that's an issue that we'll have to tackle in a couple. >> of months. are you willing to help them raise the debt limit at all? why not just say no? >> we've already said no, joy. >> okay, okay. that's good to hear. that's good to hear. there is some reporting. axios reported that the leadership, including yourself, have taken some annoyance at groups like indivisible and other activist groups who have organized protests that have also resulted in a lot of phone calls into democratic party offices. why would that annoy democratic leadership? it does feel like the energy that you're seeing at the town halls for democratic. and when republicans do bother to talk to their constituents is real and it's genuine. why would

that annoy leadership? >> it doesn't annoy leadership. i think that we've been very clear. in fact, we work regularly. >> with advocacy. >> groups to make sure. >> that. >> we are in lockstep as it relates to pushing back against the extremism that's being unleashed against the american people. that was, as i understand it, a report that was filled with anonymous sources, not a single house democratic leader, myself included, is on record making that observation because nothing could be further from the truth. at the end of the day, our view is that it's an all hands on deck effort. we need everybody democratic members of the house, democratic members of the senate, democratic governors, democratic elected officials, advocacy groups every day, americans, democratic attorney generals like tish james, who is doing her thing. it's an all hands on deck effort in the congress, in the courts and in the community. >> you mentioned attorney

general james, new york, attorney general letitia james. she is now being sued. there is a lawsuit that's been filed by the justice department naming her specifically. what do you make of the tactics of the department of justice? pam bondi pretended during her nomination hearings that there would be no weaponization of the justice department. but now we have this happening, and also we have several resignations, you know, including some pretty conservative members of the eastern district of new york, because they refuse to drop the prosecution of eric adams. and also this question of trying to sue new york over immigration. what do you make of the justice department's actions toward new york? >> it's not clear to me why the administration is so focused, obsessed on the people of the great state of new york, as opposed to doing what they promised to do, which was to lower grocery prices on day one. that was the promise. and we haven't seen the cost of living here in the united states of

america go down. in fact, it's going up all across the country because the administration and house republicans could care less, it appears, about actually solving the problems that they were elected to solve. housing costs are too high in the united states of america. grocery costs are too high. utility costs are too high. childcare costs are too high. it's a fact that america is too expensive. and house democrats have been clear that we want to solve that problem. we want to get that done. we believe the american people, working class folks, low income folks, middle class folks are crying out for us to solve that problem. but the administration has shown no interest in doing anything about it. instead, they're playing games and targeting the great state of new york. we will not be intimidated by their illegitimate threats. >> let's talk just for a moment once again about elon musk, who seems to be wielding the real power in the administration. it does appear that donald trump

essentially is sort of junior to him on the totem pole. how can congress i mean, obviously you all are in the minority, but it's been very difficult to subpoena elon musk. it's been very difficult to get some accounting. there's reporting that they've found really nothing in terms of fraud or abuse. they've just found programs they don't like and started to cut them. is there any way to audit doge? >> we think information is eventually going to come to light. that's the reality of this situation. there are a lot of hard working, good natured people within the federal government who understand that what's taking place right now is wrong and is not in the best interest of the american taxpayer. and we also believe that through the courts, where there is legitimate authority that can be granted in terms of subpoenaing information, that you are likely to see, a lot of the things that we're concerned about eventually come to light.

the reality is, right now, there are more than 55 different lawsuits that have been filed in defense of the american people related to at least 25 different executive orders and administrative actions, many of them related to the unlawful activity of elon musk. as those cases proceed through the system sooner rather than later. and the trump administration has been losing them, we expect that this information will be forthcoming, and we can take it straight to the american people. >> house democratic leader hakeem jeffries, thank you so much. we appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. and coming up, more on the stunning resignations of the in protest of the trump doj, including an accusation of quid pro quo. the accusation of quid pro quo. the alarming details next. if you have heart failure or chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life, because there are places you'd like to be. (♪♪) serious side effects include increased ketones in blood or urine

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conservative supreme court justice antonin scalia. and she was appointed by trump to the acting position just a few weeks ago. while she did not refer to the adams case in her brief resignation statement, nbc news has obtained a letter from her describing the d.o.j. order as being part of a quid pro quo. quote i attended a meeting on january 31st, 2025 with mr. beauvais adams, counsel and members of my office. adams's attorneys repeatedly urged what amounted to a quid pro quo, indicating that adams would be in a position to assist with the department's enforcement priorities only if the indictment were dismissed. mr. beauvais admonished a member of my team who took notes during that meeting and directed the collection of those notes at the meeting's conclusion. it should be noted that she is not alone in standing up to the trump administration. numerous top prosecutors and senior members of the doj resigned when asked to take control of dropping the

adams case, including kevin driscoll, the acting head of the department's criminal division. john keller, the acting head of the agency's public integrity section, and at least three other senior members from that section. joining me now is paul butler, msnbc legal analyst and a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin. lisa, you were in front of that courthouse today, so i do want to come to you first. i read through mr. beauvais's letter, his very angry letter. paul and i were talking in the break about how you could almost hear him angrily typing. right. and this is what stood out to me. and you and i both observed mr. beauvais when he was the lawyer for donald trump in the hush money case. you have to remember, he was donald trump's lawyer during the hush money case in new york that he lost. okay. this line stood out to me, lisa. on february 10th, i directed you to dismiss the prosecution of mayor adams based on well-founded concerns regarding weaponization, election interference, and the and the impediments. this is important part that the case has

imposed on mayor adams ability to govern and cooperate with federal law enforcement to keep new york city safe. he goes into greater detail on that later. i feel like he's admitting that they're dropping the case because it would impede mayor adams ability to help them with immigration enforcement. to me, that proves this case, does it not? >> well. >> joy, emil beauvais essentially admits as much in the february 10th letter that they sent to masatsune, directing her to drop the case. basically says in that letter, we're not making an assessment of the evidence that you have, or even the legal theories on which you based this indictment, nor am i impugning the integrity of you or the line prosecutors who have brought this case. rather, i'm directing you to drop it based on two considerations. one, the timing of the election vis a vis the indictment and the trial date. and two, because this indictment hanging over his head is an impediment to his devoting his

full attention and resources to the problems that are priorities for us, including violent crime and immigration enforcement. so it's not a surprise that he is saying so again in this february 13th letter to her, because that's essentially what he said in the two page memo he sent her on the 10th, directing her to drop the case. i will note to you that in her own letter to attorney general bondy on the 12th, she refutes that. she says, look, the deal is conditioned on his accepting a dismissal without prejudice, which means that the case could be brought again after the november election in new york city for its next mayor. when we have a sented a senate confirmed u.s. attorney here. she says it really makes no difference whether it's hanging over his head as a possibility of a future trial, or there is a trial date in the near future, which, by the way, he asked for that trial date, she said, it really makes no difference. six one, half a dozen, the other. he

still has that possibility hanging over his head. how that impedes him from participating in immigration enforcement, or how he's better able to participate in it under your conceived deal? i don't really understand, mr. beauvais. she writes. >> yeah, and it means he's he's on a leash. i mean, it means that he would be under control because then she she implies this in her letter, which i have here as well, that essentially he would be constantly monitored for compliance with the administration's wishes. so that i find alarming. also, this reinterpretation of how you uphold your oath to the constitution, at least in this letter by mr. beauvais. beauvais pronouncing his name, is that you must adhere to what the president wants in his policies. i don't i'm not a lawyer, but i don't think that's what the constitution says. >> it doesn't say that there is a chain of command, that if the and the attorney general is the boss of u.s. attorneys. so if the attorney general tells you to do something, you are supposed to do it. but she didn't say she wasn't going to do it. she resigned, understanding that it would be

in conflict with her ethics, her morals, and the reason that she became a prosecutor, which was to fight the bad guys. and now it looks like the bad guys are the people who she is supposed to be working for. so that was a bridge too far. >> she said in her letter, essentially that you that when i took my oath, which donald trump appointed her to, she said that i was told that we were not to use our office for political purposes is to boil it down, and that doing this is using it for political purposes. you actually predicted that this might happen yesterday when you were on with our good friend nicolle wallace, because it didn't seem to be that that she could do what he's asking her to do, as paul said, and still uphold her oath to the constitution, not to donald trump. >> well, and not only does she have an oath to the constitution, but in her letter to the attorney general, she goes through some of the other impediments that she thinks that the directive would impose on her, including the fact that an attorney has certain obligations under law in new york. she says, basically, an attorney is required to tell the truth at all times. there's a duty of

candor under law in new york that i would have to violate if i carried through your order. and then she also says, i cannot capably lead this office or appear in court under the circumstances that you've imposed on me, i cannot credibly, i'm reading from the letter, cannot credibly represent the government before the courts. if i seek to dismiss the adams case on this record. in other words, this office prosecutes thousands of cases every year. what are the judges of the southern district of new york? all of whom are presidentially nominated and senate confirmed? what are they going to think of me and the line prosecutors, almost 200 of them, that report to me or to the senate confirmed u.s. attorney going to think if we get rid of this, we agree to prosecute cases without fear or favor. that doesn't mean special treatment for people based on some perception of what their duties are and how you want them to cooperate with your administration's public policy priorities. that's not what i signed up for. and i want to

tell you, i think the trump administration totally misinterprets and misunderstands how the southern district works. there are prosecutors there, as danielle sassoon is of serious conservative credentials, and there are people there who are big msnbc watchers and fans who have different political views. but all of them agree on one thing prosecutions before politics. it's the maxim of that office. it's the maxim of u.s. attorney's offices all across the country. and to the extent that todd blanche, who's been nominated to be the deputy attorney general, and his law partner, emil beauvais, who's now serving as that role in his absence until he is confirmed to the extent that they were once southern district prosecutors. they seem to have lost that thread because of their proximity to donald trump and the power that he affords them. >> and i will note, the second person that lisa mentioned, todd blanche, was the other lawyer for donald trump in the failed case against him. let me read

some of this angry letter. so first of all, before i read that there was another indictment coming. this is what was going to come. we have we have proposed a superseding indictment that would add an obstruction conspiracy count based on evidence that adams, that that mayor adams destroyed evidence and instructed others to destroy evidence and provided false information to the fbi and that that would further add further factual allegations regarding his participation in a fraudulent straw donor scheme. the there were more things coming. >> serious charges that he lied to the fbi, that he tried to intimidate witnesses. and this thing isn't just about scratch my back. >> so can you explain what he did in the first place? >> yeah. so allegedly, the concern is that he accepted favors, including upgrades and fancy travel, in exchange for giving people who represented turkey and turkey's interests are break. and the most serious charge, i think, involves

construction of a building that turkey wanted it to be open because it's a leader of turkey was going to visit and it wasn't ready based on safety protocols. and adams, apparently, according to the indictment, was just like, go ahead and do it. we'll take care of it again. yeah, the building could have. fallen down. people could have been in serious trouble. so i'm so proud. i work for the public integrity section. i served under republican and democratic administrations. there was never anything political like this. so shout out to my four colleagues there who resigned today rather than go along with this scheme. it's ironic that the kind of pay to play charges that adams faced in criminal court until, well, actually, he's still facing them because they still haven't been. yeah, but it's ironic that that now that's kind of what he's doing with trump. and guess what happened today. so today, the acting u.s. attorney resigned. a short time thereafter, mayor adams invited ice into rikers

island and to the jail there to do investigations of folks there. that's against new york policy. but again, the fixings will be in. it does seem, as the u.s. attorney said, like a quid pro. >> quo, a quid pro quo. and by the way, guess what mayor adams is doing tomorrow? he's going to be on fox with tom homan, who is the guy that's in charge of deporting people and sending people to gitmo. so the pay to play is well underway. paul butler, lisa rubin, thank you both very much. coming up, the massive threat that robert f kennedy jr's confirmation as health and human services secretary blows my mind that that is a thing that's happening. pose it to our our health and our ability to stay alive. as flu cases surge and a measles outbreak, a measles outbreak is developing in texas. outbreak is developing in texas. we'll be right back. if you have bladder leaks when you laugh or cough like we did, there's a treatment that can help: bulkamid and the relief can last for years. we're so glad we got bulkamid. call this number, today. get your bladder back.

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there is your new secretary of health and human services doing race science. long time anti-vaccine activist robert f kennedy jr was confirmed earlier today by the senate. the final vote count was 52 to 48. as senator mitch mcconnell, who was a polio survivor, was the only republican to join all of the democrats in opposing kennedy. don't give him any credit. the reason trump is still there is him and his ascent. rfk jr, that is, could not come at a more alarming time right now. the flu is surging across the country, overwhelming hospitals and forcing school closures in some states. at least 24 million cases have been reported this season, and that number is still rising. at the same time, a measles outbreak has hit a small town in texas. at least 24 cases have been detected in gaines county. two adults and 22 children, all of whom were unvaccinated. and today, the cdc released a report that shows increased evidence of the bird flu spreading to people. as some

veterinarians who work with cows were unknowingly infected last year. the washington post reports that the report is one of three about bird flu that were scheduled to be published three weeks ago by the cdc. but the scientific publication was abruptly suspended when the trump administration instructed federal health agencies to pause all external communications on january 21st, day after inauguration day. joining me now is holden thorp, editor in chief for science magazine and professor of chemistry at the george washington university. good to have a scientist on. mr. thorp. what is the immediate danger, if you believe it is a danger of the centers for disease control not informing people? i know people who have been texting me, you know, furiously that the cdc is not updating things like the flu and bird flu, etc. if we're not getting that public information, what's the harm there? if there is any? >> well, i'm not. >> a physician, but i. >> am. >> a scientist and i deal with a

very large source of scientific information. and one of the things that you have to have when science information is going to serve the public and serve the scientific community, is for it to be available as rapidly as. possible and with as much. >> possible documentation. >> and so. >> sort of just like the attorneys. >> on your segment earlier, we're talking about interference in the legal process. >> you don't want interference. >> in the scientific process either, because. >> it. >> always needs to be about the evidence. and sometimes politicians may take the evidence and decide they're going to think about it differently. but you never want the evidence to be hindered from getting the public. >> we know that donald trump is still angry that he lost the election in 2020, and he lost the election largely because of his mishandling of the covid pandemic. and it seems that they are setting it up so that there will never be at least another on the books pandemic again. people will just die, maybe of the bird flu, maybe of the regular flu, maybe of whatever, maybe of the measles, and we

just won't really document it. that doesn't seem like a sound way to do public health policy. but are you concerned that the person in charge of that policy, such as it is, is rfk jr. given his views on vaccines? >> yes. well. science is published by the r.a.s, which is the american association for the advancement of science. there are publisher and. >> we're independent. >> of them. and i don't always have to. agree with them if i don't want to. but in this case, both both i, as the editor in chief and the r.a.s my employer, we all think that robert kennedy is not the right person to be the secretary of health and human services. >> and the reason. >> is because of his disregard for scientific evidence as being the driver that motivates scientific decisions. and for someone who is the secretary of health and. human services to administer all of these agencies that are all based on science, they have to be sophisticated

about the way scientists science works, and it's all about getting the evidence into the record and having it scrutinized as widely as possible. and he doesn't seem interested in that happening effectively. >> what do you think would be the impact of a drastic or at least what is the scientific community say? i should say, because you are the publisher of this scientific magazine. what do scientists believe would be the impact of a drastic decrease in vaccinations in the united states for things like measles, mumps, rubella, maybe polio, you know? et cetera. >> well, i'm. >> not an. >> epidemiologist, so you probably should have one of those on to talk about that. but i spend a lot of time talking to these folks, and i would say that the experts i know would be very worried about reductions in vaccination. and i see news reports, and i'm sure you do, too, that measles and other things that we thought we had put behind us are starting to

surface again. and i think that is because because of the way the information has flowed. >> robert f kennedy junior is the scion of a very famous family. obviously, robert f kennedy senior was his father, the former attorney general. his uncle was president john f kennedy, and he seems to believe that that fame and that progeny coming from that family and him being a rich man makes him smarter than scientists, makes him more learned than scientists, and know better. you, as the publisher of a magazine that devotes itself to science. would you publish an op ed by robert f kennedy jr if he offered one about, you know, race, science and whether covid is targeted to affect only white and black people and not jewish people. would you publish an article like that? >> well. >> we have. >> always asked officials if they are in roles like this to publish with us. typically, we don't get one from the secretary of health and human services, but we would certainly consider one from the secretary if he

wanted to submit it. but it would have to be subjected to scrutiny by our processes. and if it had something in it that was stated as a fact, but it was really his opinion, then we would have to talk about whether we could publish that or not. >> yeah. >> i'd be interested to read that. i probably wouldn't take anything that was in it to heart and use it with my family to keep us healthy. holden thorp, thank you very much. coming up, donald trump is so desperate to be a part of the culture, so, so thirsty that he appointed himself chair of the kennedy center despite never having actually seen a show there. we'll talk about his quest to reshape american culture in his reshape american culture in his very orange, weird image next. ♪ ♪ the flag replacement program got started by a good friend of mine, a navy vet, saw a flag at the office that needed to be replaced and said wouldn't this be great if this could be

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already declared his intention to become the chair last week, as well as his plan to immediately terminate several members of the board. in a press release from the white house on thursday, trump announced the list of new additions to the board of trustees, which included second lady usher vance, white house chief of staff siouxsie wiles, wiles mother. for some reason, cheri summerall and deputy white house chief of staff dan scavino, who used to do his twitter. allison lutnick, the wife of howard lutnick, trump's soon to be confirmed secretary of commerce and trump's presidential personnel office director sergio gore also earned a spot on the board, according to cnn. the move is prompted several artists, such as shonda rimes, to resign from their roles at the kennedy center. performers are also bowing out today. the actress and comedian issa rae announced that she was canceling an engagement next month at the kennedy center called an evening with issa rae. she said that tickets would be refunded. rae wrote on instagram quote,

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