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good day. i'm chris jansing, live at msnbc headquarters in new york city, fighting back by walking away. more top prosecutors in new york and washington quitting their jobs, rather than go along with a doj order to drop the case against new york city mayor eric adams. the finger pointing, the allegations and the growing upheaval inside president trump's justice department. plus, is this the path to peace? ukraine and europe scramble to make sense of the trump administration's confusing and at times, contradictory approach to negotiations aimed at ending russia's war in ukraine. so is it trump or putin calling the shots? and the mess out west where wildfires once burned. heavy rain is triggering massive mudslides, burying roads, flooding homes and sweeping cars right off the road. we'll get a live report coming up. but we begin with the seventh resignation, protesting the

doj's order to dismiss criminal charges against new york city mayor eric adams in a head spinning 24 hours. first, the top attorney in the southern district of new york. then a host of washington prosecutors and now an assistant u.s. attorney at the s.d.n.y. all quit. that last one, hagan scotten issuing this scorching response to the doj official who ordered the sdny to drop the case against adams scotten writing, quote, i expect you will eventually find someone who is enough of a fool or enough of a coward to file your motion, but it was never going to be me. please consider this my resignation. now the first to quit, danielle sassoon said much the same thing when she resigned on thursday. but she also went further, alleging that bovi's order was part of a quid pro quo to get him to help with president trump's immigration crackdown. she described it as a breathtaking and dangerous

precedent. adams responded just this morning. >> think about that. think about my attorney, alex spiro, one of the one of the top trial attorneys in the country. imagine him going inside saying that the only way mayor adams is going to assist in immigration, which i was calling for since 2022, is if you drop the charges. that's quid pro quo. that's a crime that it took her three. she took it took her three weeks to report in front of her a criminal action. come on, this is silly. >> bovey issued his own blistering rebuttal, accusing sassoon and her entire office of weaponizing the case against adams. he said she was insubordinate for refusing to drop it, but as of now, he hasn't found anyone either in new york or washington willing to do it. barbara mcquade is a former u.s. attorney, university of michigan law professor, and an msnbc legal analyst. charlie sykes is a columnist and an msnbc contributor and msnbc

legal correspondent. lisa rubin joins me here in studio. barbara, what is going on here? >> well, i think. >> one thing that's. >> important for people to understand. >> is it is ingrained in department of. >> justice lawyers. >> that the department of justice is unique among. cabinet agencies in. >> that the lawyers there must be true to the rule of law, and they must resist any efforts to do. something that is not just. >> politically based or partizan. >> based, but anything that would taint. >> even the appearance. >> of that. >> bare handed. >> administration of justice. and so. >> the. >> idea that a case would be dismissed. >> not because of the merits, as emile beauvais. >> said in that letter, but so that mayor adams could. >> assist in. >> enforcing ■the. >> president's immigration agenda. >> that is just not a proper purpose for making a charging decision whether to charge or to dismiss charges. and so i'm not surprised to see this slew of

this cascade of resignations. and i'm very proud of these lawyers of integrity for standing up for the rule of law. >> and, lisa, the two that we mentioned, these are not liberals. these are people who clerked for conservative justices. have we ever seen anything like this? >> we haven't seen anything like this in a variety of different ways. but let me contrast this with the prior situation during the first trump administration, when roger stone was convicted, there was a huge kerfuffle over how he was going to be sentenced. and there were four prosecutors that had worked on a sentencing memo that was then revoked by their bosses at the direction of people in the trump department of justice. one of them, john kravis, resigned from the department entirely. three others of them resigned from the case, but they didn't leave the department. and at that point, nobody said to them, either you sign this or you'll be fired. it was understood that they were being asked to do something that they thought violated their own obligations and their own

understanding of the case, and they were allowed to remain in the department of justice. that's not what's going on here. danielle sassoon, writing an eight page reasoned letter for why she felt that consistent with her duty to the office and her duty of candor to the judges, that she appears before she could not, in good faith, make that motion to dismiss. and the response is, if you can't do what this administration is asking you to do, not only will you be fired, but there's an executive order to that effect that your boss, our boss, the president of the united states, has essentially directed us to follow. that's unprecedented. >> barbara, what is it like inside that public integrity unit right now? help us to understand what's going on. >> well, i don't know all the things that are going on, but the information i received from someone i know and trust told me that the entire public integrity section, some 20 to 22 lawyers,

have been called into a room and told that unless one of them signs the motion to dismiss in the next hour, then all of them will be fired. i see that reuters is now reporting that one of the lawyers has stepped forward to say, i will sign it, just to spare the others their jobs. >> lisa. >> yeah, and i have two sources now, chris, who we can now report that that meeting took place, as barbara is describing it. and they convened that meeting this morning. one of our sources says it was over a video call, but he essentially told them they needed to determine who was going to sign it. and he promised leadership positions, according to both of my sources, to whoever would sign it. now, one of my sources says what barbara said. he gave them an hour deadline to decide who was going to be the person to put themselves on the chopping block. reuters. now, having that reporting that somebody indeed has stepped forward to spare their colleagues the indignity of being fired simply for doing their job. >> i mean, barbara, help us this

this is an extraordinary situation. and i it is one thing to say i would like to stand up. i'm going to stand up for the integrity of the office. i'm going to stand up for my own integrity. there's also a real world, right? people have mortgages. people have kids in college. people have bills. people may fear for retribution for themselves or their families. talk about the decision that would have had to have been made and the kind of calculations that people would have had to have made inside that room in 60 minutes. >> yeah. you know, this reminds me a lot of the situation sally yates found herself in in 2017, when she was asked to enforce the president's initial travel ban, which of course, was found to be illegal because it applied even to people who were green card holders. and she said it's not constitutional. i'm going to

direct the department not to enforce it. and of course, that resulted in her termination. and, you know, to stand up to bullies means you're likely to go. and i do think i feel for them to be in this position, not only for all the reasons you mentioned, chris, but there's also this reality. we'll all get fired. but who's going to replace us? they're going to hire us with loyalists to make sure this never happens again. and so rather than having a public integrity section with 22 lawyers, we will now have a public lack of integrity section with 22 lawyers who are willing to go along with all of the political instincts as opposed to upholding the rule of law. so it's a very difficult decision to be in this position. and i don't fault this lawyer for standing, stepping forward to say, i'll end the bleeding now. >> so, charlie, we have not seen many people stand up to trump, frankly, certainly not in this cycle or in this case, stand up to the justice department. do you think this is a unique situation, or could it inspire others to take the same approach, not even necessarily at the justice department, but

elsewhere, where they feel that the reason they got into their jobs is being thwarted? >> well. >> that that is that's a great question because courage is contagious. and it is interesting that, you know, in a in a period in which so many other folks are bending the knee, you have this young woman, danielle sassoon, who basically says, look, not on my watch. i, a principled conservative who said, i'm willing to give up my job because i am not going to go along with all of that. and you saw the domino effect that, that had. we're now up to seven attorneys who have who have resigned. this is more than lost their jobs during the 1973 saturday night massacre during watergate. so i think a lot of lawyers and people throughout government have to ask themselves, do you want to be aiming above or do you want to be danielle sassoon? how do you want? what role do you want to play? how do you want to be remembered? and i and so again is this a one off? we don't know. but you know, we've been

waiting for someone to stand up. and once again, i'm struck by the fact that it's a young woman, not one of the old guard, not one of the senior united states senators. it is a young woman who is, you know, obviously at the peak of her career, the beginning of her career, and she's willing to take on the president of the united states, take on the department of justice, because what's happening is just fundamentally wrong. >> barbara, i want to dig a little deeper into those allegations, specifically the idea of a quid pro quo. sassoon wrote this, although mr. beauvais did disclaimed any intention to exchange leniency in this case for adams's assistance in enforcing federal law. that is the nature of the bargain laid bare in mr. beauvais's menu. now, we just heard mayor adams deny quid pro quo. emil beauvais has denied it, too. but that said, what do you just make of the allegation?

and do you see this going anywhere? i mean, considering the fact and we just saw this with this meeting being called, that it is a meal. beauvais and his boss, pam bondi, who are the ones calling the shots? >> yeah, i want to respond directly to that point, chris, because the remarks that eric adams made are so classic because no one says this out loud, no one says, i am offering you a bribe. i would like you to enforce president trump's immigration agenda in new york city. and in exchange, we will dismiss these charges. that's not how it goes. instead, they have a conversation. they talk about what you know. here's what we want. here's what you want. they go their separate ways. so the idea that danielle sassoon is on the spot going to say, i believe this is bribery taking place. it didn't happen then. it didn't happen until that letter came directing her to dismiss the charges. and there's a footnote on page one where email, beauvais says, by the way, despite all these appearances, this is not a bribe. we are not asking him to enforce president trump's

immigration rules in exchange for this dismissal. that's exactly what this is. and the other thing that's so offensive about this is they didn't just dismiss the charges. they didn't just pardon him. they wanted to dismiss the charges without prejudice, meaning they could be brought again. so in other words, they wanted to keep eric adams on a short leash to make sure he continues to be their operative in new york city, because any false move, they could reinstate these charges just like that. >> there was no pardon. the decision was made to go another way. barbara mcquade, charlie sykes, lisa rubin, thank you for being with us for this breaking news. and in 90s, we have more breaking news, including the latest charges by ukraine against russia that president zelenskyy says prove again you can't trust putin. how will it impact talks to end a war that's now in year three? and the new meeting we just learned about. meeting we just learned about. stay with us. want a next level clean? swish with the whoa of listerine.

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achieve a durable, lasting peace, not the kind of peace that's going to have eastern europe and conflict just a couple years down the road. >> momentum toward a peace deal between russia and ukraine does appear to be growing, but the question world leaders are asking is at what cost and who decides the terms? president trump says he and russian president vladimir putin have agreed to multiple meetings. the first, trump says, could be in saudi arabia. their conversations are expected to focus on ending the war, which enters its third year just ten days from now. but in the midst of making those high stakes decisions, ukraine says this video that we're going to see there it is a russian drone with an explosive warhead striking the shelter that contains the fallout of the infamous chernobyl nuclear disaster, the worst in history. president zelenskyy shared the video, but when will he have a seat at the table in peace talks that could determine the future of his country? nbc's aaron gilchrist

is in washington for us. michael mcfaul is the former u.s. ambassador to russia and nbc news international affairs analyst. so, erin, we heard vp vance making headlines for the comments to european allies today. he also said there is another threat, not russia, that they should focus on. tell us more about all this. >> he said the threat within is what europe should be focused on right now. you're right. this was a conference that was supposed to be focused on the russian invasion of ukraine, how to further support ukraine, how to really make sure that people are aware of the threat that they believe russia poses to europe and other parts of the world as well. and instead, you heard the vice president shift the focus away from that a bit and talk about really criticize the us's european allies. i want you to hear a little more of what the vice president said. >> while the trump administration is very concerned with european security and believes that we can come to a reasonable settlement between

russia and ukraine, and we also believe that it's important in the coming years for europe to step up in a big way to provide for its own defense. the threat that i worry the most about vis a vis europe is not russia, it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreat of europe from some of its most fundamental values, values shared with the united states of america. >> now, we understand from reports in the room that the reception of those comments were. the reception was icy at best. there were members of the german delegation who were hosting this event, the secretary of the minister of defense there, as a matter of fact, denounced those comments. there were members of the u.s. delegation delegation that did the same. and then, of course, chris, you pointed out the fact that after that speech, there was this meeting with the ukrainians between the vice president and ukrainian president zelenskyy, ukrainian president zelensky, and the conversation was about whether

and how the u.s. would support ukraine and begin this conversation around ending the war with russia. of course, as you noted, the question remains who exactly will be at the table? that is something a concern that europeans have expressed going forward as well. chris. >> so, ambassador, you have the comments we just heard from j.d. vance. you have trump's suggestion that he will meet with putin first. zelenskyy is worried where he fits in. nato is worried if they'll even be in the talks, will they be left out of any conversations? what are you hearing about these concerns? >> well. >> i'm at the munich security conference. >> right now, and i can tell. >> you the. >> vice. >> president's speech. >> did not go. >> down. >> well here. for him to. >> claim that. >> the biggest threat to europe is within. >> and they're. >> problems with democracy. >> when russia. >> is invaded. >> a european country. nobody agreed with that analysis here at the munich security. >> conference. >> they also noted the europeans that i was sitting with while we

listened to that speech. quite a bit of hypocrisy for the vice president to come and lecture the europeans about democracy, when we've got a lot of problems with our democracy at home. and what was missing, of course, was no clarity about president trump's position with regard to what everybody here is focused on how to end the war. he could have used that speech to talk about that, and he chose to lecture the europeans about their democratic problems instead. >> and in the meantime, ambassador, the chair of the senate armed services committee, republican roger wicker, said that new defense secretary pete hegseth made, and these are his words, a rookie mistake when he insisted that the prospect of ukraine returning to its pre 2014 borders was unrealistic. he also ruled out u.s. troops on the ground in ukraine, which both the president and vice president have said is still on the table. you have experience negotiating with vladimir putin. is there an advantage for him?

13 years as russia's president, going up against a largely inexperienced u.s. foreign policy team? >> without question, rookie. >> mistake is generous. senator wicker is a diplomat and a gentleman. but this is not the way you negotiate with the russians. i don't think it's the way you negotiate with anybody. but by making those comments, they were concessions to putin. they're exactly what putin wanted to hear. you have to give up territory. there was a second one, by the way. you can't join nato and no american troops will be part of the peacekeeping. now, maybe in a negotiation, the ukrainians will have to decide that they want to make one of those concessions about their territory. and maybe the nato alliance will make that decision about that concession. and maybe the united states of america will make the third concession. but you do it in the context of a negotiation. you don't give away everything before you've

begun the negotiations. and i know having experience with the russians, you give them something that put it in their pocket and then they'll ask, what now are you going to give me? in addition, it just was diplomacy 101. you don't capitulate before you get to the negotiating table. and i hope that they learn their lesson and will have a wiser strategy for negotiations moving forward. >> ambassador mcfaul, it is always great to have your expertise, but to have you as our eyes and ears in the room is invaluable. so thank you for taking the time to talk to us and safe travels. meantime, there is a chaotic scene in california right now heavy rains and mudslides pummeling the southern parts of the state. that, of course, is already grappling with wildfire damage. a live report about the a live report about the dangerous conditions. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e*trade from morgan stanley.

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to start with steve patterson, who's on the ground in malibu. steve, officials are warning that even when the rain ends, the danger will persist. tell us what you're seeing and hearing. >> yeah. >> that danger is still clear and present because the ground is still saturated. these mudslides trigger because the topsoil has been stripped off of these burn scars. when rain. pours down on those spots, it creates almost a runway for debris to just run down. and that's what officials have been so worried about. there are about 120 miles of these rails in place, concrete barriers. although it didn't help in that scene that you were describing. it bursted through the barrier and sent that firefighter over the side of the railing there. but this is really tough because it is in the middle of two phases. crews are trying to clean out some of that hazardous debris so they can move into the actual debris removal. right now there's debris removal of a different kind. you can see public works crews over here clearing out some of the mud on this roadway. this is one of those burn zones. you saw the

destruction behind me, but there are still homes still intact. it's the reason why there are so many barriers. also, so many of these sandbags, about 300,000 in this region. crews really sort of gearing up before this struck. thankfully, we're dealing with mostly a mess and not a disaster. despite all of those scenes that you're showing, most of it is sort of cosmetic damage. a lot of it is road closures, especially on the pacific coast highway. but again, crews are trying to do their best to clear out the fire zone so people can get back with their lives in a timely manner. and that's very difficult with these rains and mudslides we've been having. it has been very, very sort of disastrous in the burn zone specific areas, the palisades, the eden fire, the hearst fire, all of them had some sort of slide, either mud or debris. and crews now dealing with the cleanup. thankfully it's sunny. as you can see, the system sort of moved out of the region. the rain has stopped, but as we mentioned, the danger does still persist. chris. >> steve patterson, stay safe

out there. thank you. okay, bill, how did that storm first of all moving so fast? and what else is coming up? >> yeah. >> last night was pretty wild. at one point, los angeles was under a severe thunderstorm warning and a flash flood warning. and all those areas where we had the palisades fire in the eden fire. so, you know, it's like a clean up of the cleanup. so the storm system is on the way to the east, and this storm is going to cause a lot of people to have to alter or change their plans as we go throughout this holiday weekend. so let's fast forward to tomorrow morning. light snow breaking out in northern ohio. this is not pretty. lots of heavy rain and thunderstorms from memphis all the way. cincinnati. lexington. included in this louisville area north of nashville. that's where we're going to see a chance for some significant flooding. maybe flash flooding. definitely river flooding. then by 8 p.m, the snow breaks out from new york city, heading up towards boston. looks like a couple inches before it mixes over and changes to either freezing rain or sleet. and you notice the heavy rain still continues in the same spots. kentucky especially. then by the time we get to sunday, we get the backside of the storm

drying out areas that desperately need it in the middle of the country, and it's just an icy, snowy mess. northern new england, central new england, very difficult travel conditions all day sunday. and behind this system it's going to be bitterly cold and windy, almost like it was back in january. the other issue, and this is not set in stone, that we're going to get tornadoes, but it is possible. we do have an enhanced risk here from memphis all the way to northern louisiana, a good chunk of mississippi into areas of alabama. we are going to see very strong storms. this will be saturday evening as we go into saturday night and then into early sunday morning. and here's the 19 million people that are under flood watches from memphis all the way back up into including areas of west virginia. and we're pinpointing some areas here in the paducah area of 3 to 4in, at least locally, up to six inches. so, chris, this storm has it all. we know we could see tornadoes. we're going to see some heavy snow in northern new england. we're going to have an ice storm out of this in southern new england. and on top of all that, you know, we still got our mess. we're cleaning up from on the

west coast. >> well, just the bearer of bad news. >> just wait. we could have a nor'easter next week, so we'll just wait and see how that plays out. >> as i said, i repeat, thank you, bill karins. >> bad news bill. that's now on. >> that news bill. talk about chaotic. chaotic in oregon. whiteout conditions there. look at this 30 car pileup. authorities say multiple people were injured in that accident, which closed a key interstate. emergency responders had to go car by car to rescue people who were stuck inside their vehicles, including one driver who was pulled out of the passenger side of the car because the front was completely shredded. >> you can't stop in this, and next thing i know it's like, here's the impact. boom. thank goodness that suburban, you know, it's built like a tank, it said. that's the only thing that saved me. if i was in a little subcompact car, i wouldn't survive. >> the accident happened as the area was experiencing not just

snow, but wind gusts of 60mph. meanwhile, overseas, the hostage and prisoner exchange deal appears to be back on track today between hamas and israel. hamas now says it will release three more hostages tomorrow, including american israeli citizens. nbc's chief foreign correspondent, richard engel is reporting on this for us. what more do we know, richard, about this release? >> so things have moved. >> here quite. significantly in the last 24 hours. >> or so. >> the anticipation as of. >> earlier this week was that the war was going to. >> resume, that the ceasefire was going to collapse. president trump was talking about how israel should go ahead and reinvade gaza resume its military offensive. the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, was saying exactly the same. that is because hamas, up until very recently, up until

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email never arrived. let's bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett haake. jonathan capehart is a member of the washington post editorial board and the host of msnbc's weekends with jonathan capehart. garrett, do we have any idea how many people this could impact? >> only broadly? >> chris. >> i mean, we know there will be. >> many thousands of people ultimately laid. >> off, but how many. >> is a bit of an. >> open question? and some of this is by design. the process is totally opaque and. >> it varies. >> by agency. >> you could be a probationary. >> employee at an agency like the cia, or somewhere in the intel community, or perhaps in a field related to immigration enforcement, where you might even get a notice that this your position is being eliminated, but the administration actually wants to try to keep many of those people on. they don't want to cut people from national security roles, from immigration enforcement roles, and from other positions that are exempted throughout the federal government. all of this leaves us and these thousands of federal workers across the government essentially checking their email inbox periodically to try to figure out if they are

caught up in this. and some of this is just sort of based on the ad hoc nature of the process here, but some of it is also by design. the white house has been pretty clear. they want to act fast, they want to break things. and elon musk even said the other day that they will at times go too far and have to claw some of these things back. so i think we're all going to be chasing this down in real time as these notices in different formats go out from agency to agency. >> yeah, i mean, jonathan, when you look at these firing and how they were conducted, i wonder if you're hearing anything about workers in dc questioning whether even to keep working for the federal government. >> well, i know in the in the washington post story, in the in the paper today. >> the story. >> on on these firings. >> or the laying off. >> of the. >> probationary workers. >> it ends. >> with one woman who got one of these. emails saying that, you. >> know, she. >> is done. and she asked. >> her supervisor, does that. >> mean that i should keep. >> working on the project she was working on? should she finish? and the person her

supervisor said, no, you don't have to. >> i think. >> chris, what what. >> what we're seeing. here is the federal workforce. >> being part. >> of. a of. >> a game. >> of sorts. and by game. >> i mean. >> what president trump is doing. >> via elon. >> musk is stretching the limits. >> of executive power. >> he is doing lots of things that none of his predecessors has ever done. things that are being tied up in the courts because there's a lot of questions about whether any of this. >> is legal. >> and yet he's trying it. and we will see through these court cases whether these federal workers. >> who are. >> caught up in the middle of this, whether the president of the united states will be will be found having the ability to carry out these firings, these layoffs, these these buyouts of workers.

>> you know, one of the things that's talked about a lot in politics, certainly, but also in business, any place where people work is the importance of building a bench. i mean, if you're looking at a cost benefit analysis, you're obviously immediately cutting costs or at least cutting costs after you pay them, some of them for seven months or whatever it is, versus though long term expertise building. right, jonathan? >> yes. >> no, that's. >> exactly it. >> i mean, there's so many things happening here. they're trying to reduce quote unquote, waste, fraud and abuse, excess fat. all of the pejorative ways of thinking about federal workers and what what we're we the american people, are going to find out in short order if we're not finding out already, is that these federal workers go to work every day and they bring their experience and their expertise, a lot of them built up over decades. you cannot replace that. and in the end, in

order to backfill positions that are now empty, you're going to end up spending money. we haven't even had that conversation yet about when something happens and an agency finds that it doesn't have a person no longer has the person who knows how to do x, y, or z. you're going to have to find that person. and the difficulty will then be, who would want to work for the federal government after this experience? >> in the meantime, attorney general in 14 states have filed a lawsuit arguing that the trump administration violated the appointments clause of the constitution by granting sweeping powers to elon musk, arguing that he has, quote, transformed a minor position that was formerly responsible for managing government websites into a designated agent of chaos without limitation and in violation of the separation of powers. i mean, look, a lot of pushback from musk's efforts have come from outside of washington. there are at least 68 unions, a bunch of 68

lawsuits, a bunch of them from unions and state ags. but i'm curious whether you're hearing quietly behind the scenes or have an expectation of people in power in d.c, of course, congress being the most obvious starting to feel this is going too far, especially if they start hearing from their constituents. >> well, that's the key thing, starting to hear from their constituents. and that's where you're going to see, particularly republicans in both the house and the senate trying to decide whether they have loyalty to the president and, you know, doing what he wants for his agenda or loyalty to their constituents and doing things that, you know, help the people back at home. there have already been stories about how there are republicans on capitol hill who are quietly trying to minimize the cuts, minimize the program disruptions that are now hurting already. they're already hearing from constituents, hurting their constituents. and

that's what's going to make you know, we're talking about federal workers right now. but we have a budget deadline that is coming up, and that is when we are going to see whether republicans are able to get the president's agenda through, while at the same time either ignoring or not giving as much credence to the concerns of constituents back home. >> jonathan capehart, always good to see you, my friend. thank you. and be sure to catch the saturday and sunday show with jonathan capehart. that is weekends, 6 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. and still ahead, fly eagles fly a super bowl victory parade in philadelphia. more than a million people come out to celebrate. we've got a live report from downtown ahead. but first, a heartwarming moment when eagles wide receiver a.j. brown kept his promise to a young fan who couldn't make it to the super bowl after being injured by debris after that

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even catching drinks from fans. even the philadelphia police got in on the fun, imitating the famed push tush play by the philadelphia eagles. i've been talking with fans throughout the day. some of them have been here since yesterday to get a front row seat to witness this historic moment. take a listen here. >> we've been out. >> here. >> since five. >> 5:30 p.m. yesterday. we're looking at about maybe 15 hours already. 14 hours. so we're. we're ready though. we're good. we've been here. >> since 430. >> i'm trying to pass my school and. >> everything. >> so trying to study for my exam at the same time, you know, enjoy. >> the eagles atmosphere here. back home. let's go. >> and the fans are ready to shower the players in love in the city of brotherly love. as you mentioned chris. fittingly, on valentine's day. >> emily a good time being had by all. thank you so much. now to a story of biblical

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