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history. that's a stunning development, and. nothing even remotely like it has happened in all of our history. all of this. >> adds up to. >> a totally unprecedented situation, a grave and profound crisis in which the president has set himself against his own attorney general and the department of justice. nothing like this has ever happened before. >> good to be with you. i'm katie tur. that was nbc. >> news anchor. >> john chancellor. the year was 1973. >> the president was richard nixon. >> the issue was a subpoena for nixon's white house tapes. special prosecutor archibald cox wanted them for his watergate investigation. nixon wanted cox fired for it, but his attorney general refused, and he resigned, and so did his deputy ag. the demand was seen as so egregious, so blatantly corrupt at the time that the night it happened got an infamous nickname. it was called the saturday night massacre. you've probably heard about it. looking

back, though, it's starting to look quaint. just two resignations in the past two days. seven prosecutors have. and officials have resigned. all doing just what ag elliot richardson and deputy ag william ruckelshaus refused to do, carry out what they deemed to be a corrupt order. this time it's an order to dismiss corruption charges against the mayor of new york city, eric adams. first, it was the acting u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, danielle sassoon, who alleged the doj under acting deputy ag emil bove, was accepting a quid pro quo from adams, essentially saying drop my charges and i'll help you with immigration enforcement. then bove went to the public integrity section of the doj to get someone there to drop the case. five of them resigned, and now another s.d.n.y prosecutor, assistant u.s. attorney hagan scotten, has also quit writing.

to quote, any assistant u.s. attorney would know that our laws and our traditions do not allow using the prosecutorial power to influence other citizens, much less affect elected officials in this way. if no lawyer within earshot of the president is willing to give him that advice, then i expect you will eventually find someone who is enough of a fool or enough of a coward to file your motion. but it was never going to be me. time check 302 or thereabouts. friday, february 14th. the order to dismiss this case was given monday, and still no one is willing to do it. joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, nbc news national and intelligence correspondent tom winter, law professor at new york law school and former assistant manhattan district attorney rebecca roiphe, and reporter for the city and co-host of the podcast fat jack nyc podcast katie honan. all right. lisa, it has

been five days. still, nobody has taken this up. nobody has dismissed this case. >> that's correct. and, katie, we have new reporting that according to two former justice department sources, those who are remaining in the public integrity unit. and i want to clarify for our viewers, our nbc news is ryan riley says there are about 25 to 30 lawyers in that unit total. five of them resigned last night. so of those who are remaining, they were convened for a meeting today by beauvais, who is the acting deputy attorney general. and they were given an edict. somebody in this room needs to sign that filing, and you need to tell me who it's going to be. one of my sources tells me that beauvais gave them one hour to come up with two names, and both of my sources say leadership positions were promised to whoever was willing to make that filing. and yet, today, at 3:04 p.m, we still have not seen a filing cross the docket in the adams case, and it would be a motion from the department of

justice seeking to dismiss the indictment under rule 48 of the federal rules of criminal procedure. still nothing. >> why would they not want to dismiss this case? why wouldn't why has nobody yet stood up and said, i will do this for you and bill beauvais? >> first of all, nobody who's left in the public integrity unit knows anything about this case. everyone who worked on this case, and this was an investigation that dates back to 2021. everyone who was involved in the investigation with whatever agents were involved, those people are all gone. whoever signs this filing will also theoretically be responsible for going to a hearing before judge dale ho in the southern district of new york, and explaining why this deal was cut and why they believe it's in the interest of justice. you can imagine that nobody who wasn't involved with the case, much less anyone who was, would want to stand behind this and say that a dismissal without prejudice that somewhat hinges on the result of a new u.s. attorney being confirmed, but also on the results of the

november election that's expressed in the memo from beauvais on november 10th. i'm sorry, on february 10th, nobody who's left would want to sign that because they have to stand up and defend it in a court of law where they also have a legal, not just an ethical duty of candor. >> so if none of them stand up, are they going to get fired? >> it's not clear yet what's going to happen. and it's possible. you know, we there's another outlet, not nbc news or msnbc that is reporting that a person has been located and found. we have not yet matched that reporting. if somebody does do that, i just want to flag for you that that person is also likely going to be the person who has to come to court and stand behind it. it's not as simple as just signing the filing, making it, and moving on with your life. >> tom, this feels like a bona fide crisis. it makes the saturday night massacre that we started with seem small. >> it 100% is in the legal community. it is 100%, not it justice department leadership. they don't care. they don't care

about the video that you played at the top of the show. they don't care about what people are saying today. they don't care about what their former colleagues in the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york have done, other than it's just created a hassle for them to get to the end goal here. and the end goal here for them is to achieve achieve the objectives that have been laid out in the trump administration, in their belief, is that one of those key objectives is, of course, immigration. and one of the ways that they can help solve that is by having the mayor of the city of new york cooperate with them so that given the amount and the size, the believed size of the migrant community in new york city, that potentially large numbers of people could be removed from new york city, and that that's a stated objective of this administration. i'm not saying that's my view or anybody's view. that's their view. that's where they're coming from, and that's what they're about. they just don't care. and people think, well, they could be shamed into thinking that this is some sort of a of a crisis of justice that doesn't matter to them. and so i think people need to understand

that that's where we are at this stage, and they believe it is their ethical duty to affect these changes, and that the ethics and the concerns that lisa rightfully points out with respect to this filing, in the very thing that the prosecutor brought this case today, said we in his belief, we do not live in a country where you can hang a prosecution over somebody's head in exchange for them to carry out a public act. yeah, he says, i don't believe in that, and i don't think anybody should. i'm just telling you that the people that are that are behind this don't see it that way. >> and just if you're wondering if there are politics involved here with these resignations, sassoon and the other man in the office, both conservatives, sassoon clerked for antonin scalia, conservative on the supreme court. rebecca, i know you've got an ethical link here to this. she cited one of your papers in her resignation letter or her letter to ag pam bondi. but i want to get the background here for a second. and tom alluded to this. he's talking about immigration. there's an

immigration element to this. katie honan, because the administration wants their immigration policy enacted in new york city. they want to be able to come in here and deport immigrants. that's what they want. they say they want the mayor's help doing that. there was this moment, and this is why there's a quid pro quo tied up on this. eric adams says there's no quid pro quo. quid pro quo that he wasn't saying. get me off these charges and i'll help you with immigration. but then he appeared this morning on fox news alongside the immigration czar, alongside the border czar, tom homan. look. >> my attorney, alex spiro, wanted to one of the top trial attorneys in the country, imagine him going inside saying that the only way mayor adams is going to assist in immigration, which i was calling for, for since 2022, is if you drop the charges. that's quid pro quo. that's a crime that took her

three. she took it took her three weeks to report in front of her a criminal action. come on, this is silly. >> if he doesn't come. >> through. >> i'll be back. >> in new york. city and. >> we won't be sitting on the couch. i'll be in his office, up. >> up his butt. >> saying, where the hell is the agreement we came to? i came to new york city. i wasn't. >> going. >> to leave. out nothing. i did it last. >> time. >> and i told him i'm not leaving until i got something. and now i got him on the couch in front of millions of people. he came back waving. this now, right. so i, i think you're going to see things move in the right direction. i really, truly believe that. >> all right. so that was mayor adams on fox news with tom homan. and some people likened that. you can make your own judgment to a hostage video. you heard mayor adams saying that it's not a quid pro quo, but emil bove in the letter saying to drop this case, cited the need for him to help with immigration enforcement. and then he's sitting alongside the immigration czar on fox news, the president's preferred channel. so talk to me about

what defines a quid pro quo and whether this would meet that standard. right, absolutely. >> well, obviously. >> there are certain reasons that were. >> put forth that. >> seem clearly pretextual. so first of all. they say. >> this is when you say pretextual for anybody who doesn't have a law degree, just define that for us. >> sure. >> of course. >> it seems like a fake excuse for a reason because. >> it's so obviously incorrect. >> so first they say, you know, we're issuing this order because. >> this was. >> obviously a. weaponized prosecution. >> meaning that damian williams, the former u.s. attorney, did. >> this for political reasons. >> first of all, it's not. >> clear what those. >> political reasons would have been. >> second of all, this is. >> something that as as we were just. talking about, as lisa was saying, has. >> been pursued. >> through, i think, 4. >> or. >> 5 different u.s. attorneys. >> so the. >> idea that all of them would have some political ax to grind against a democratic mayor is absurd. but, but but in addition to that, i mean, whether or. not this is. >> a. >> quid pro quo. >> it's obviously. >> you know, has. something to. >> do with political partizan

ideological purposes. >> and that is absolutely. >> and completely. >> inappropriate for a. >> prosecutor to consider. >> prosecutors take an. >> all lawyers take an oath. >> to enforce. >> the law and the constitution of the united states. >> and here. >> this is, in fact, worse than the saturday night massacre, because in the saturday night massacre, it was a politician who was ordering them to violate that obligation that they have to the law, to the rule. >> of law here. >> these are top officials within the department of justice who are also lawyers who should know better and in fact, whose job. >> it is. >> to police. >> that line. >> these lawyers are the ones who are supposed to make sure that those inappropriate political considerations coming. >> from politicians. >> like the president, don't filter down to the line. prosecutors who are supposed to be enforcing the law without fear or favor. >> so what does this say about this department of justice? >> it says it means. >> that this is a department of justice. that is that is intent. on breaking norms that have been.

>> breaking norms or breaking laws. >> certainly breaking norms and potentially. >> breaking laws. >> but. >> certainly breaking norms and norms that are fundamental to the rule of law. >> and. to our system of justice. >> and they have been in place since the beginning of. >> our prosecutorial. >> system, and especially since. >> the watergate. >> which, you know, for the reasons. >> that we were just discussing at the beginning. >> of your program. >> all right. so, katie, let's get back to immigrant to immigration, what's happening here in this city. and now that mayor adams has made this appearance on fox news, now that this news has come out about the doj wanting to drop the case, all of these resignations, there has been a pretty loud public outcry, especially among other elected leaders in the city, for him to resign. what's his status at the moment? >> he's still. >> mayor. >> although. >> i'm in city hall right now and i don't see him. >> he's out of the office. >> he was. >> taping, i guess, a doctor. >> phil interview again. with tom homan, discussing what tom homan and president trump want him to do about immigrants, the result of yesterday's meeting

with tom homan. he said he's going to issue an executive order allowing ice back on rikers. >> island. >> the city's largest detention and jail center here, which is. actually slated to be closed by 2027. >> this city council. >> speaker, obviously, they play a role in. >> the laws here in the. >> city as well. >> she she said. >> she won't do anything to repeal the city's sanctuary laws. which is. >> something the. >> mayor had. discussed as well, potentially amending the sanctuary laws. >> which can restrict. >> and limit how much cooperation city the city agencies can give to ice. and what you're seeing is like like you said, a lot of criticism from opponents running against him for mayor, the primaries in june. and last night on your network, we saw governor hochul give her strongest rebuke against mayor adams. she has really defended him since he was indicted in september. but last night, she said she was disturbed by the reporting coming out and just the resignation of so many top prosecutors over this case and what they're being asked to do. so she said she's going to discuss things with other

lawmakers and other officials. you saw more people today, state senators asking for him to resign, public advocate jumaane williams said on another network today that he doesn't think mayor adams can be the mayor anymore. so we have this this chorus of people asking him to step down and figuring out what they can do because they do not think that the mayor can effectively be the mayor anymore because he is so clearly, to them, compromise. >> and then just another thing, the federal government pulled out. what was it, $80 million from a city bank account that was supposed to deal with housing and helping migrants, money that had already been allocated from congress? does that put the city into a tough position, losing that money? >> yeah. the city has been strained financially during the asylum seeker crisis, which is sort of what prompted mayor adams to be so critical of the previous presidential administration. the fact that the federal government can just claw back money through a bank account. there's lots of questions about how there's lots of questions about when did city hall and the mayor's office

actually know that this happened? i believe it was the comptroller's office that noticed the money was gone. and we spend we collectively, new york city spends, you know, millions, tens of millions of dollars and billions of dollars into caring for asylum seekers to have any of it taken back because of elon musk saying, i don't like the way this money was spent. i know he said that they were luxury hotels. it wasn't. you know, we have a right to shelter here in new york city, and the city has to put people someplace. so oftentimes it is hotels, whether you want to call them luxury or not. so there's been a lot of criticism about mayor adams response to that. you know, his office, they're going to get the money back. they're going to look into it. but if it was any other administration, they would have been a lot stronger about it. >> listen, there is there is definitely an element in this, in this city that that wants stronger immigration enforcement feels like it's necessary in the past few years that is out there. and some of those folks might have voted for kamala harris. some of those folks might have voted for donald trump. but the fact is that that what adams has now gotten himself into appears to be very messy, very complicated. and it's casting a shadow over, over

his administration, but also over what's happening in the department of justice. one last thing before i go, attorney general pam bondi just said on fox news that it's her understanding that prosecutors will file to dismiss the charges against new york mayor adams today. today, she says, we'll see whose name is on that filing. all right. thank you guys. thank you, everyone, for joining us. still ahead, evacuation orders across southern california, this time for mudslides. with the most intense rain to hit the region in more than a year, is doing to the community still reeling from wildfires. and we just got an update from the ntsb on last month's mid-air collision above the potomac. what warning pilots on board the black hawk may not have heard from air traffic control, and why they may not have heard it. plus, what ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy told vice president j.d. vance his country needs before any talks and the russia ukraine war can take place. we ukraine war can take place. we are back in 90s. tide pods ultra oxi one ups the cleaning power of liquid. can it one up whatever they're doing?

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water can take with it as it slides down a mountain. >> and it's a problem that persists well after the rains, because it's not like the saturation suddenly goes away because there's a little bit of sun. right? but i would describe this as a really big mess after a really bad storm at a really bad time. not necessarily the worst case scenario, a disaster that could have been predicted. you can see some of the scenes of that here. the house behind me, we're in the palisades fire zone, by the way. house still standing after the fire. house still standing after the storm. sandbags in the foreground here. about 300,000 of these litter this neighborhood. 120 miles of those k-rails all over the community. but you know the bad message here. to the mud leading down into this debris basin. i won't say we were here yesterday. i won't call this like a verdant green valley, as it was yesterday, but it certainly didn't look like this. mud inundating, rocks coming down, burn scars up above. that's what's so dangerous is

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not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within. the retreat of europe from some of its most fundamental values, values shared with the united states of america. i believe deeply that there is no security. if you are afraid of the voices, the opinions and the conscience that guide your very own people. europe faces many challenges. but the crisis this continent faces right now, the crisis i believe we all face together, is one of our own making. if you're running in fear of your own voters, there is nothing america can do for you. nor for that matter. is there anything that you can do for the american people who elected me and elected president trump? i believe that dismissing people, dismissing their concerns or worse yet, shutting down media, shutting down elections or shutting people out of the

political process protects nothing. in fact, it is the most surefire way to destroy democracy. trust me, i say this with all humor. if american democracy can survive ten years of greta thunberg's scolding, you guys can survive a few months of elon musk. >> joining us now from munich, nbc news senior correspondent covering national security and the pentagon courtney kube. so, courtney, how did that go over? >> that? >> the musk line specifically. >> there were. >> audible gasps. >> and laughs. >> in the room. you could hear people and the entire time, frankly, the entire speech, you could see people looking around with befuddled looks. the reality. katy, jd vance came here today to give a speech about security in europe. the assumption by many people there was he would be talking about russia. he would be talking about the war in ukraine. he would be talking about the us commitment, what's happening

with the us commitment to ukraine going forward. and instead, i mean, he stunned the audience by talking about democracy and the need for free speech. and he was lecturing a an audience full of europeans about the need for, for, for free speech. and he called out several specific incidents, one in great britain, i will say, as he was speaking, i was looking at individuals from the delegations. he was calling out their countries. i was i was shocked also. katy, i've been coming to this conference for a number of years now. there were almost no applause in the vice president's speech today, also a real departure from how this conference usually goes. and with the keynote address from the vice president. >> yeah, there's a real change in america's standing, whether we're a friend or a foe right now around there. courtney kube, thank you so much. joining us now, editor in chief for foreign policy, ravi agrawal. all right. so can we get to the subtext of

what what jd vance was talking about there when he's telling these countries they need to embrace nationalism and embrace more voices, who is he saying they need to embrace? >> well, he. >> specifically named romania as one election. >> that was annulled. >> in part because the results weren't. >> to the liking. >> he said of people there. but of course there were concerns about russian interference, so he was alluding to that. but he could also be talking about the german party afd, which elon musk has put his weight behind. this is a far right party with some connections to a history of nazism. that could be another allusion, although he didn't name it specifically. it's very telling, however, that for all his concern about freedom of speech, he didn't mention that that is a problem in russia. he didn't mention that that is a problem in china. those are two countries that he did not even mention. he did not mention ukraine in the speech that we're talking about. it was a speech that stunned everyone. responses i got immediately after from

foreign ministers of various european countries were either things that i can't repeat on a family channel, or a real steely resolve that this is the clearest sign yet that europe needs to get its act together and figure out how to go it alone. >> he met with the leader of aft, which is afd, which is the far right party you were just referring to in germany, alice weidel. what are the aims of these parties of afd? of the other far right, ultra nationalist parties that are trying to take power across western nations? what do they want to do? >> look, it's the same as far right parties in other parts of the world as well. there is common cause in trying to clamp down on immigration. there's a constant fear of the outsider. the other there are racial undertones to this. jd vance mentioned brexit as well in the

uk as being an example of how you have to listen to your people because they're telling you to stop letting people in to have tougher immigration policies, to cancel sort of ideas about wokeness, for example. those are all familiar themes for many parties on the far right spectrum, some that are in power in europe, some that wish to in countries like france and germany. but also it's something that finds common cause with the other far right parties in other parts of the world. you know, in asia, in africa as well. this is not uncommon. javier melaye in argentina. and in a sense, there's a feedback loop between all of these parties and groups. and that is kind of what vice president vance was trying to sort of build a feedback loop around in saying, you have to listen to your people, the democracy sort of point he was making was truly stunning. and i will say, also hypocritical,

that there were people in the audience who were thinking, what about january 6th? they didn't say it at the moment, but as soon as the speech was over, that is all they could talk about. >> we should, you know, talk about how well brexit has gone for the uk and how well the economy is doing over there since they decided to get out of the european union. but i want to ask you a broader question about the western order of things. it's been about 70 years since the second world war, since these countries all decided to ban together, form alliances, both physically. so there's, you know, free movement within these countries, but also through trade, things that would stabilize the western world so that we wouldn't be throwing ourselves into another world war, trying to tamp back on some of the nationalism that led us there. are we finding ourselves in a new at the beginning of a new order? >> i've been calling it a new world disorder. there is nothing

orderly about this new system that we're moving into where rules and norms don't matter, where tariffs can make a mockery of the wto, where countries can say one thing and do another with seeming impunity, where you have a country like russia which can invade another country and really largely go unpunished by much of the rest of the world, despite western sanctions, we're entering an era of impunity. and i think a lot of countries around the world see it. they smell it. in some cases, if they're on the far right, they want to take advantage of it, to take advantage of their own people. but there are many countries, so-called swing states, countries like saudi arabia or in india or in indonesia that have long felt that the old order didn't quite benefit them as much as it should. and now they're looking to take advantage of it by sort of picking and choosing sides depending on the issue. and when they see a president trump who

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