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washington, d.c. >> breaking overnight. >> three more israeli hostages just. >> released by hamas. >> they're already. >> reuniting with their families. >> also breaking ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky. >> with a new warning about the. state of war. >> with russia. >> if american support were to end. >> then a judge deals another blow to donald trump's. >> mass firings. >> of federal employees. >> and new. details on the resignations of doj. officials as the department. >> moves to dismiss the case against new york. >> mayor eric adams. friends, grab your coffee. >> settle in. welcome to. >> a three hour. edition of the weekend. >> we begin with breaking news out of israel. three more hostages, including an american israeli, have been released by hamas early this morning. soggy. declan, sasha, alexander trufanov and yaya horn are beginning to reunite with their

loved ones after more than 16 months in captivity. a dispute earlier this week between hamas and israel threatened to derail the ceasefire deal. hamas accused israel of violating the terms of the agreement, which israel denied. the back and forth serving as a reminder of the very delicate balance at play to free the remaining hostages. here is the moment that soggy declan reunited with his wife and his parents. he will finally be able to meet the youngest of his three daughters, who was born two months after he was kidnaped. let's bring into the conversation evelyn farkas. she is the former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia. she is currently the executive director of the mccain institute. >> evelyn, good. >> morning to you. >> there's a. >> lot that's happening. on the. international stage with meetings in europe and in munich. and now. >> with hostages released here. you've got. >> on sunday, secretary of state

marco rubio will be. meeting with israeli prime minister netanyahu in jerusalem. what can we expect the u.s. role to be? as as hamas prepares for more releases? and then how how do you hear this. >> hostage release. >> scenario playing. >> out. >> in the meetings with nato? >> yeah. so first of all, thanks, michael. >> i am. >> actually here in munich. you could probably. >> hear all the hubbub behind me. >> and it's interesting because this hostage release is important. the middle east is important. >> but people here. >> have been focused on europe. what i. >> can. >> say is that the united states needs to continue to put pressure on iran. so that is indirectly on hamas, but really on iran. and i think president trump has been doing that, signaling. that there will be hell to pay if the hostages are not released. so that needs to continue. and we need to continue to motivate prime minister netanyahu also to continue to work towards a

durable security. >> and. >> stability plan. at the end of the day, though, i think the more important parties now need to step up, which is to say, the ones who will be funding the piece and really setting the groundwork. and that's saudi arabia and the gulf states. >> evelyn, it is so. >> good to. >> have you. thank you for being with us. just to zoom out. really big picture. >> i wonder. >> in munich. >> given the number of. >> topics of conversation. >> what it. >> is that you find. >> folks are focused on specifically. >> as it relates. >> to. this new administration? yeah. >> i mean, i think. >> people are really. >> they're kind of stunned and shocked because the type of diplomacy they're hearing is even. >> more different than we saw when. >> we heard under the trump first term. you know, with president trump talking about taking gaza, taking greenland, you know, the kind of territorial talk that he employs, which isn't necessarily the same as vladimir putin

invading ukraine and sending his military in and conducting human rights violations. but it gets people nervous. so there's a lot of nervousness right now. at the end of the day, the europeans are nervous that they're going to be left with vladimir putin on the border waging war against them. and that's what we heard from president zelensky this morning. and then, of course, there's the worry about china. what will china do with this information? watching vladimir putin, if vladimir putin can get away with bloody murder. china will be emboldened as well. >> so the world is really dangerous. >> and there's a lot of. >> uncertainty about what the. u.s. role will be. >> going forward. >> alicia. >> i mean, evelyn, you make such an important point. we also want to join us now. bring in now via phone from tel aviv is nbc's hala gorani. hala, can you just tell us what the latest is? it's our understanding that the hostages have now been taken to a hospital for a medical review.

>> absolutely. >> three hostages released morning local time from gaza. >> they were held for almost. >> 500 days. i met hostages. >> square. >> in central tel aviv, which has become this semi-permanent fixture here in the center of the city. where families, loved. >> ones and just. >> ordinary citizens. >> gather every saturday since. mid january, when this latest cease. >> fire deal. >> was signed. we saw a helicopter. >> transporting one. >> of the three air horns. >> to ichilov hospital and two others going to another hospital in tel aviv. >> sasha trufanov. >> a 29 year old. >> air horn. and. >> sagi han, 36 years old. we saw images. >> coming. >> to us from khan. >> yunis in southern. >> gaza, very stage. >> managed once again. >> and an operation led by hamas. three men on stage holding these certificates. >> looking better.

>> it has. >> to be said that. >> the three, who were released last week, who looked gaunt and quite. >> malnourished. this latest contingent. >> of released hostages. >> certainly looks healthier, at least. >> in appearance. the big screen showing the three on stage cheers rising. >> up from. the assembled crowd. >> but as you've been discussing. >> this ceasefire deal is quite fragile. >> it's tenuous. it almost. >> fell apart. >> entirely a few days. >> ago when. >> hamas said that. >> it. >> would delay the. >> release of hostages. >> because. >> israel was. >> not holding. >> up its end of. >> the deal by holding up the. >> delivery of a prefab housing. >> and heavy machinery. >> to clear. >> the rubble. >> so everybody here is very aware of just how fragile it is on. >> the palestinian side. >> recently. >> we saw. >> men released. >> 36. >> some of them wearing. so it was. >> kind. >> of a. >> tit for tat stage management operation. wearing shirts with

star of david in inscriptions. >> on them and. >> in hebrew. >> and arabic written. we will. not forget, we will not forgive. >> so this is the scene here. >> on. >> both sides of the. >> story on this saturday. >> back to you. hala. >> it was. >> my. >> understanding that. >> you were able to talk. >> with one. >> woman whose father is. >> still being held. >> in gaza. how is she feeling about the likelihood of his return? >> yes. >> i spoke with. >> sharon. >> her mother. >> and father were. >> both taken on october 7th. >> her mother. >> was released. >> after 17 days in october. >> in november, i should say, 2023. >> her father. >> however, is still. >> inside gaza. >> she's realistic. he's 84, almost 85 years old. she believes that. there is a chance he. >> might not. >> have made it. >> this is what she told me just a few minutes ago. >> do you. >> have any information about.

>> his condition, how he's doing, anything. >> we know. >> his chances are slim. >> we know. >> and we know that. you know, i know that because when i hugged him at the end of august 2023, i felt his. >> older, you. >> know. >> he's a he's a strong. >> ox. but he was an older strong and a frail. he was injured. he was shot on the 7th of october. he he needs medicine that he has not received for very long. and the conditions in gaza are horrific. >> yeah. >> so there you heard it from. sharon telling me. >> a little. >> bit earlier. >> today that. >> you know, she's holding out hope. >> but. >> that she's realistic, that perhaps. >> her father. >> who's quite elderly, may have not been able to. >> survive almost. >> 500 days. >> of captivity. >> the big question. >> now is. are we going into phase two? will the negotiations

yield some. >> sort of. >> long lasting. agreement between the sides? there are so many questions, especially when. we hear statements like. >> those from president trump. you know, he wants. >> to. >> empty out the whole gaza strip and turn it. into a riviera. >> and that type of thing. these these are all statements that are making. >> the discussions more complicated and more difficult between the parties, discussions that. currently are still being mediated by qatar and egypt. >> back to. >> you. >> nbc's hala gorani. thank you so much for hopping on the phone with us for this breaking news this morning. evelyn, can we go back to you? because given all of this news, i'm struck by the fact that netanyahu and the secretary of state rubio, are planning to meet in jerusalem on sunday morning. that's according to the times of israel from friday. is this was this a topic of conversation on the back end, if you will, in the background of the munich security conference? and what do you expect to come from that

conversation? >> yeah, i mean, i. >> think simone, clearly our secretary of state needs to make sure. >> that we're on the same page. >> with the israeli prime minister and that we continue. >> to press. for an end. >> to the war. the problem, of course, is that hamas is not completely defeated. so something will have to be, you know, arranged in order to take them not just off the battlefield, but politically out of the equation. and that's where i think we really need to also make sure that we are working, as i mentioned earlier, with. >> the other. >> side, with the with the arab states, but clearly they'll be talking about next steps. they'll be talking about assistance, i guess. >> you know. >> we have a little bit of turmoil in our system about foreign assistance, but i'm guessing the israelis. will want some assistance. >> which hasn't been. >> stopped to israel. but but to the palestinians it has. so there will be negotiations about next steps. if there is a cease fire.

>> evelyn, those next. >> steps you. >> mentioned involve assistance. you had ukrainian president volodymyr. zelensky on meet the press. noting on friday it would be very, very difficult for ukraine to survive. without u.s. military support, both now as it tries to repel russia's invasion and in. >> the. >> future, after the current. >> war ends. >> given what this administration's intent is with respect to ukraine. what what's the response there in. munich from our allies. as you have j.d. vance delivering a blistering lecture to the europeans, you have the president pushing his conversation with putin in such a way that putin's got everything, and ukraine has got to be the one to come to the

table with terms. how is that going down right now in munich? what are their concerns with what they're hearing? >> yeah, i. >> mean. >> clearly the. >> europeans did not like being lectured to by our vice president. >> and it didn't help in terms. >> of creating a good atmosphere between the administration. it just reduced the trust. now, with regard to what zelenskyy said, that's actually quite serious because he didn't just say, michael, that ukraine can't survive without the united states. he actually said that europe can't survive without the united states, that if the europeans don't build up their security, they're not going to be able to stand up to russia. and he really forecast a grim future for the europeans. he said, look, we know we'll get defeated. what are you guys going to do? because there's going to be a million plus, you know, battle hardened, you know, killing, looting machine on your border, that is to say the russian military. and they and putin is not going to stop. so i

think he was also really putting europeans on alert today and a little bit calling out the united states because he said, you know, it seems that the strongest member of the nato alliance is actually putin. you know, which of course, putin is not a member of the nato alliance. russia is the adversary of the nato alliance, in effect. but he was essentially saying putin is looking stronger right now than even the united states. >> all right. >> evelyn farkas, thank you so much. thank you. appreciate it. after the. >> break. >> we'll get a. >> live report from nbc's richard engel. >> you're watching. >> the. weekend on msnbc. >> i feel. >> like new. >> sunglasses. >> like a brand. >> new. >> pair of jeans. >> pair of jeans. >> brand new. introducing new eroxon gel, the first fda-cleared ed treatment available

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very difficult for ukraine to survive its war with. russia without, of course, u.s. military support. >> joining us now. >> from southern israel near gaza is nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, what is what are you hearing in in feeling there on the ground with this latest hostage release? and how is the u.s. positioning itself as. these hostages releases continue over the next few weeks? >> okay. >> so i'm. >> in jerusalem now. we were. >> in southern. >> israel earlier. >> this morning, and. >> where we were. is at. >> a watch party. so these have started to happen every time there's a hostage release, some people. go to what's called hostage. square in tel aviv. but other people, particularly. >> those who. >> are close to the hostages, either relatives, supporters, colleagues will gather friends at their at their homes and will

watch the releases unfold live on, on state, on television, here on israeli television. and you can imagine that is a very emotional event. so we were at a watch party for the american who was released today, ciggy allen. and we were in a in a private home, and people were there and they gathered before the release actually happened. it was covered blow by blow. on israeli tv. and i can tell you there were probably maybe 20 people in the room, a good number of journalists as well. and they were sitting there silently waiting in anticipation, watching the television screens, seeing if they could, waiting for the first glimpse of, of, of all of the hostages, but particularly this american. they were colleagues and friends of his. and then suddenly he came out. hamas released him. this was a ceasefire deal that almost didn't happen. if you remember, hamas had said that it wasn't going to do this release unless

israel allowed more aid into gaza. israel, according to hamas, wasn't living up to its its end of the ceasefire deal. president trump made threats, prime minister netanyahu made threats, and this obstacle was overcome. and today the release happened. then, as soon as the three hostages were released and they were handed over to the red cross, i spoke to a young woman. it was actually her house hosting this watch party about what this, this moment meant to her and to other of this particular hostages supporters. thank you for having us. >> what was. >> it like when you saw him get out of that van? >> i was exciting. >> he looked very. >> good, very good. >> he okay? >> we waiting for him? i don't have any words to describe my. my feelings. and thanks for god.

>> for the. >> three hostages released today appeared to be in relatively good health. they were certainly in better condition than the last hostages that were released by hamas. many thought that they looked emaciated, looked to be, in particular, bad health, that they had been at a near a point of starvation. all three today were walking on their own. they certainly appeared frail, but but not in in terrible condition. sergey. sergei. sergey. excuse me? the american who was released today was declan. i keep getting that name mispronounced. today has now been reunited with his family, and he actually has a very emotional story. all of the hostages do, in fact. but when he himself was kidnaped from a kibbutz near the gaza border on

october 7th, almost 500 days days ago, he was with his family. he put his pregnant wife and daughters into a safe room, left that, locked that safe room, barricaded it, closed, and then went out to fight against hamas. he was taken, taken hostage, was a hostage until today. but while he was missing, his pregnant wife gave birth to another daughter. so now he has three daughters. and he was able to see be reunited with his wife and be reunited with his now born daughter. seeing her for the first time in his life, in her life. so this was an extraordinary moment for him, an extraordinary moment for all of these hostage families. in exchange for these three hostages, just more just over 350 palestinian prisoners are now in the process of being

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any u.s. attorney would know that our laws and traditions do not allow using the prosecutorial power to influence other citizens, much less elected officials, in this way. if no lawyer within earshot of the president is willing to give him that advice, then i expect you will eventually find someone who is enough of a fool or enough of a coward to file your motion, but it was never going to be me. if that motion has since been filed, it seems that they found a fool or a coward. what is your take on this? >> well. >> i will say. >> that kind of a. >> letter for lawyers. this was as. >> hard a diss. >> as kendrick. lamar's performance dissing. drake at the super bowl. that's kind of what this. >> was for us. >> i mean. >> like getting having this letter be read on valentine's day. >> it was. >> like poetry. i mean, it's it was so well done and. >> it was. >> so necessary for him to. speak as plainly as he did. because he's right. >> only a fool or a.

>> coward would file this motion. >> to dismiss. >> a righteous. >> criminal case. and who is that fool and coward? well, emile. beauvais signs that motion in that was made last night in the. southern district of new york to drop this case, along. >> with. >> two other career. prosecutors who, you know, hard to know exactly what their. >> motives were, but. >> it sounds like he was really exerting quite a lot of pressure at doj to get somebody to step up. otherwise, he was threatening to fire all of them. so under extreme coercion. >> it. >> sounds like he got two other people to sign on to this. but ultimately he filed a notice of appearance. he's going to have to stand up in court and. defend why this is actually in good faith. >> and it's so. >> plainly not. i mean, you see, really with danielle sassoon and hagan scotten versus emile beauvais, who also was at the southern district of new york, really. >> a tale of two. >> s.d.n.y prosecutors. you have the one side where they are

backing up their prosecutors, backing up their team. >> they are sacrificing. what would have been a really easy. >> path for them to potentially get really plum positions. >> is judicial. appointments and the administration. >> and instead, now they have a headache of investigations, potential lawsuits, threats, enemies in their own party. >> at least. >> with some in their own party. right. they didn't. they took the hard road, but they did the right thing and they spoke truth to power. and then you have the opposite. you have someone like amel who really. >> sold his soul. >> for power. >> that's just. >> plainly what happened here. his memos are nasty. they're brash. they they're disingenuous. he kind of changes his reasoning throughout, you know, from memo to memo. and they're just, you know, they're just. >> not what you would be. >> accustomed to seeing from a former prosecutor and certainly not somebody who is in doj leadership. it's extremely

disappointing to see, but i am glad that s.d.n.y stepped up. and i think we'll just have to see now what judge ho does in the southern district of new york. i hope he has a hearing, and i hope he holds their feet to the fire and asks. really tough questions about why this move would be in the interests of justice. >> well, the. >> the interest. >> of justice is. >> is not. >> something that. >> is important to this justice department. >> we talk. >> about fools and cowards. that's all. >> we seem to have running it right now. and then you want. to extrapolate that out a little bit further. you can include the mayor of new york, who went. >> on fox. >> news to talk about why. >> what his. >> lawyer had to say about all of this didn't amount to a quid pro quo. let's take a. listen to the honorable mayor. think about my attorney. alex ferrari, one of the one of the top trial

attorneys in the country. imagine him going inside saying that the only way mayor adams is going to assist in immigration, which i was calling for, for since 2022, is if you drop the charges, that's quid pro quo. that's a crime that took us three. she took it took her three weeks to report in front of her a criminal action. come on. this is silly. >> so. >> there's so much about what happened on that couch. with the mayor and the. the head of homeland of homeland security. homan. >> what? >> not that. >> of homeland security or homeland security. be understandable. >> thank you, thank you. >> borders are. >> voters are. what what do you what do you make of that comment and how this plays out for the mayor? >> well. >> he's admitting that if it did, if what the prosecutor say

happened, happened, that that would be a crime. so really then the question is, are the prosecutors telling the truth here? and there's an easy way to get to the bottom of that. judge ho can have a hearing and he can look he can have the various people who were in that meeting where danielle sassoon says, it was plain as day that adams's attorneys were saying we would provide immigration enforcement only if this case is dismissed. you know, was that said was were there any communications of that nature that was said? let's hear from the prosecutors who are in those meetings and in those communications. let's get any written communications that they had. and then you can also, you know, hear from the defense attorneys and get their version. and it's up to the judge to determine who is credible. danielle sassoon has absolutely no incentive to lie about this. none whatsoever. i personally know her. i worked with her. i believe her. it just again, and

there are multiple prosecutors there that are in the room. i know the others as well. these are not people who are going to make up something like that. so i think really judge ho needs to look at that. and then if in fact, judge ho determines that that did occur. one, it's hard to see how this case gets dismissed, even though he doesn't have a whole lot of options here to continue a case if the prosecutors don't want to. but it's hard to say that with leave of court, this would be in the public interest if really it was just this quid pro quo for the abuse of prosecutorial power to be used to influence politics. that's that's not what we're supposed to do in those roles. but he should ask those questions, make those factual findings. and then i think in terms of the mayor, there's a real question for governor hochul. if judge ho makes the finding that that quid pro quo did happen, then, you know, i don't see how she doesn't remove him. i mean, it's just blatant corruption right

before our eyes. and, you know, the fact that one of the other interesting parts of the memo is that they're seeking to doj is seeking to have his this case dismissed because his security clearances were removed. and they're saying, well, now he can't deal with national security threats. well, isn't the question why was his security clearance removed? what about this case? there's a lot that's classified in this case that the public doesn't know. so what in that classified information is justifying removing his security clearance? there's clearly a lot more going on. we know that danielle sassoon also wanted to bring additional charges for obstruction. like this is really serious. i don't think people quite appreciate how serious it is. but when you see that in black and white, you know, you wonder, how is it in the public interest just to drop the case? shouldn't we be asking, you know, why it is that we have a mayor who isn't privy to this sensitive information that such an official thought he shouldn't

have it. so i really think she is going to have to be presented with that choice of whether or not somebody who is blatantly corrupt, who is making those corrupt deals out in the open on fox news, whether he should be the mayor because he's clearly serving his own interests above that of those of the people. >> to your point, our. >> colleague rachel. maddow had. governor hochul on her show on thursday, and. >> hochul said, i have to do what's smart. >> what's right, and i'm consulting with other leaders in government at this time. rachel then. >> pushed her and said, hochul. >> said. >> of course i am. of course i am. considering all. >> of. >> this, no timeline on that, though. christie greenberg. >> thank you so much. >> for being. >> with us. >> up early. >> next. >> house republicans extreme. >> plan to cut trillions of dollars from. >> critical programs. >> when we come back. >> when we come back. >> with more of the weekend. if you're living with diabetes, i'll tell you the same thing i tell my patients. getting on dexcom g7 is one of the easiest ways to take better control of your diabetes and help protect yourself

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now is new york times congressional reporter and pulitzer prize winner luke broadwater. >> luke, luke. so much fun on capitol hill these days. you've got the house moving in one direction in the senate clearly wanting to move in another. as npr reports, senate republicans want to proceed with a two bill approach in order to act more expeditiously on the president's priorities at the border and then return later this year to address extending tax cuts. the house has different considerations than the senate, and it goes on to talk about how these separate bills could jeopardize its altogether. you know, in the house and the senate. what's your take on how this plays out, given the realities of capitol hill? the republicans don't have. the majorities significant enough in the house to really bank on what they want passing. and then, of course, in the senate, they're like, nah, we're not doing that.

>> yeah. >> of. >> course it's a mess. >> the i. >> think. >> there's sorry luke, but. >> evergreen i was. >> like, okay. it's like, how do you state the obvious? right. >> right. well, i mean. >> if you've if you've paid any attention out there in the, in the country to what congress has done over the past two years, you know, they have a very hard time. the republicans in congress getting on the same page, right? i mean, we've seen them throw out their speaker. we've seen them take weeks to try to get another speaker. they, you know, they they're just rife with divisions all the time. >> so i. >> would say as a starting point, i think there's very low chance that this house approved budget ends up becoming law the way it's written right now. that said, you know, republicans have a sort of conflicting priorities here. there's a lot of talk on capitol hill and at the white house about shrinking the debt. right. $36 trillion in debt. at

the same time, they want to pass these sweeping tax cuts. right, $4.5 trillion in tax cuts which which adds to the debt. right. so you have these two things that sort of can't both be happening at the same time unless you make deep cuts elsewhere in the government. and that's what the house budget calls for. it doesn't really identify all of the cuts, right, specifically where these cuts are going to come from. but it says you need to have $2 trillion worth of cuts in mandatory spending. >> and that's. >> sparking some concern in some people's districts. right. because we're talking about cuts to food stamps, cuts to medicare. and so that affects real people's lives in real congressional districts. and so you saw that party line vote this week. you saw democrats raising a lot of alarms, and you saw even some moderate republicans saying, hey, if these cuts go beyond sort of,

you know, what? we can find the small amounts of fraud or abuse that we can find, we're going to have problems with this budget moving forward, right? >> we've seen. >> a lot. >> of reporting. >> out of. >> red states and. members that are starting. >> to realize the ways. >> in which this is going to. >> impact their districts. luke. >> can you talk for. >> us about. how this. >> debate is. >> playing out side. >> by side with the reality. >> of doge and the. fact that republican. appropriators are. >> no longer effectively appropriating? >> i mean, where. >> do those two conversations intersect? >> yeah, it's kind of crazy. we have, you know, traditionally, congress has the power of the purse, right? that's in the constitution. it's congress that decides where things are spent or not spent. and what we're seeing now is that elon musk has come in with a lot of young guys. they have installed these guys at various agencies and they're going through and they're slashing things. and

sometimes their cuts are not what they say they are, right. they are doing sort of keyword searches for certain terms and usa spending.gov. and they're hitting on things and they're misinterpreting what some of them are. and they're, you know, a lot of federal workers are scared right now because of how how deep and sweeping some of these cuts are. i mean, trying to eliminate entire agencies. right. and these are agencies that were approved by congress, but we're not seeing the pushback from congress that one would expect. right. you would think in a country that has a long tradition of balance of powers, that the legislative branch would stand up for itself and say, hey, mr. president, mr. musk, you can't cut that. we authorize those funds. those funds are supposed to go for that purpose. that's what congress passed. instead, what we're seeing is actually cheering on capitol hill as elon

musk and president trump cut certain things that have been approved by congress. so we're you know, it's kind of a, you know, we always say things are unprecedented during the trump's term, but it really is in this case where the legislative branch has sort of outsourced in some cases, the power of the purse to the president. >> literally just gave it up, rolled over without even a little bit of a fight. it's insane. but then you got and michael noted this politico piece for us, that republican members in high tax blue states are concerned that the plan doesn't leave enough room to expand the state and local tax deduction. senate republicans and some house hardliners aren't ready to give up on a competing two bill plan. you've got republican representatives who is a centrist out of california, david villarreal. his district is one of the six hispanic

majority republican seats, or more than 20% of households, receive food aid benefits from the snap program and is being targeted under the republican budget. none of this just makes any sense to me. i'm just like, what is going on? luke? what? when you talk to the members, are they at least the republican members, at least privately? are they acknowledging that this is insane and the president is trampling on their, you know, constitutional authority as a co-equal branch of government, but they're not gonna do anything about it cause they're scared of that primary. are they at least aware of the of the hypocrisy here and the craziness? >> yeah. well, you have a lot of competing priorities in congress, right? you have those blue state democrats that you just mentioned and blue state republicans that you just mentioned who want to see the state and local tax deduction be greater. so there's less of a tax burden on their citizens. and a lot of them are going to push for that to be added to these budget plans as this as this goes forward. at the same

time, you know, there's there look, food stamps have been a long target of the right. they they don't they don't like them. they want to cut them, which is interesting because that used to be the one program that republicans really supported in terms of helping the poor, because it actually went to food. right. you couldn't say, oh, they're wasting it on something else. it's actually, you know, it's supposed to be sort of a smart poverty prevention program. but again, that's on the chopping block right now with this budget. and so you saw david valadao speaking out about that. you know, that's that's a moderate republican. that's a seat that republicans really need to hold if they want to keep their majority. so he has a he has some sway in congress because he's able to win in that district, and he's able to speak up for more moderate values. so look, all these people are going to be weighing in. they're going to be fighting over this. you have the freedom caucus at the

same time insisting on these $2 trillion in cuts. and the president wants his big tax cuts, $4.5 trillion. so, you know, and it's like a 1 or 2 seat majority at any moment, depending on who's there and who's sick and who's out of town. so you lose 1 or 2 republicans and you can't get the bill passed. so yeah, look, i expect this to be a long, protracted fight. i expect it to get ugly. and, you know, we're going to see some republican on republican violence. >> well, we're going to leave it right there. luke broadwater, thank you very much for joining us this morning, folks. stay with the weekend, because later in the show we've got george conway. he's going to join the table. we will be here for two table. we will be here for two more hours. don't you go away. —hi! —hi! ♪♪ chocolate fundraiser. ♪♪ with the chase mobile app, things move a little more smoothly. ♪♪

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