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york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. we have reporters and analysts in place covering all of the big developing storylines for you. so we're going to get that to that in just a moment. but we're going to begin right now with the big breaking news. this i have to share with you. it is from a high stakes security gathering overseas. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy today calling for the creation of a european army. hours after he sat down with vice president jd vance and he warned world leaders that russia is not preparing for dialog, and the us may not always be a reliable ally. >> let's be honest now, we can't rule out the possibility that america might say no to europe on issues that threaten it. we must build the armed forces of europe so that europe's future depends only on europeans. >> we're going to have much more on that in just a moment. also

breaking for you today. we have emotional family reunions you're seeing right there as hamas freed three israeli hostages against the backdrop of veiled threats and an ultimatum from president trump. israel's military in return released hundreds of palestinians taken prisoner during the war in gaza. we're going to have much more on this for you in just a moment. and new reaction to the justice department moves to dismiss corruption charges against new york city mayor eric adams after an extraordinary internal revolt. seven prosecutors resigned before one litigator made the tough choice to step up and sign the dismissal motion. here's liberal constitutional law professor laurence tribe. >> he's no. >> profile in courage. the fact is that to preserve his pension, reportedly to save the others. >> he broke ranks. >> they should. >> all have insisted on being fired. >> make a. >> meal, beauvais. >> sign the damn. >> thing himself. >> a new reaction to the latest

lawsuit against elon musk and doge filed by 14 state attorneys general. judge tanya chutkan says the request for a block on doge was too broad and gave states until sunday to more clearly define the potential harm. >> what we're. >> alleging is that elon musk and his sort of designation as some super employee violates the appointments clause, the constitution says if you're going to wield that kind of power as a federal official, you've got to be properly vetted and go through a confirmation process with the united states senate. he's done none of that. he's got access to financial data, personal information. it's dangerous. >> and democrats are once again questioning the true motives of doge, tying president trump's mass layoffs and budget cuts to some of trump's tax cuts, which expire next year. they're not concerned. >> about waste. if they were worried about waste, they wouldn't have fired all the

inspectors general. this is really a reverse robin hood strategy. stealing from average americans to give to the rich. >> our reporters in place, covering all the new developing storylines. we're going to start with nbc's aaron gilchrist at the white house, with more on the latest moves from the trump administration. aaron, good day to you. >> his top lawyers. >> at the department of justice. >> are being accused of dropping a corruption case against the mayor of new york city in order to keep him on board with the president's immigration goals. that as eric adams prepares to sue the federal government over money earmarked to help his city deal with immigration, new fallout is the trump administration's justice department moves to dismiss corruption charges against new york city mayor eric adams after a standoff with career prosecutors who refused to go along. seven doj officials quitting in protest, including the lead attorney overseeing the case in manhattan and a resignation letter obtained by nbc news attorney hagan scotten, rebuking new doj leaders for saying the case was distracting

adams from devoting his full attention to the president's priorities on immigration and crime, blasting what he called dismissal with leverage as an abuse of prosecutorial power, adding if no lawyer within earshot of the president is willing to give him that advice, then i expect you will eventually find someone who is enough of a fool or enough of a coward to file your motion, but it was never going to be me. >> we dropped. >> crime in this city at remarkable levels. >> amid growing calls to step down, adams defended his support of president trump's objectives, appearing alongside border czar tom homan on fox news. >> if he doesn't come through, i'll be back in new york. >> city and we won't. >> be sitting on a couch. i'll be in his office up, up his butt saying, where the hell is the agreement? we came to. >> adams, pushing back on the idea of any quid pro quo, saying in a statement, i want to be crystal clear with new yorkers i never offered, nor did anyone offer on my behalf any trade of my authority as your mayor for an end to my case. never. at the same time, the new york city law department planning legal action

against fema, according to the new york post, mayor adams accusing the federal government of clawing back more than $80 million in grants intended for migrant services. >> federal workers against doge. >> the upheaval at the justice department coming as mass firings across the federal government are underway. president trump warning federal workers to expect more job cuts on top of the 75,000 who accepted a buyout offer. >> we want to. >> downsize government. >> but make. >> it. >> better, run it better, but downsize. >> among affected agencies. health and human services, the environmental protection agency, housing and urban development, the department of veterans affairs, the u.s. forest service and the national nuclear security administration. and we're also learning the san francisco sheriff's office is investigating after three men in doge shirts and maga hats entered the city hall and demanded digital information. employees refused, and those men ran off before officers arrived. investigators don't believe they were real doge representatives.

alex. >> interesting. thank you very much for that, erin. in our next hour, rebecca roiphe joins me. she is a former manhattan assistant district attorney. she's going to weigh in on the adams case and why her name was referenced in one resignation letter. meantime, overseas now. and breaking news from the munich security conference. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is calling for the creation of a european army to guard against russia. let's go now to nbc's courtney kube at day two of this big conference. courtney, welcome to you. so what was vladimir zelenskyy's message to the world leaders? and that includes president trump. what did he say today? >> yeah. >> so in addition. >> to calling for an army in europe. >> so not. nato but a separate army in europe, he also called on european leaders to establish an industrial defense base here that they so that europe could create its own weapons, its own systems, without relying on other places like the united states. essentially, he was

saying, look, we cannot rely on the united states to come to europe's back the same way that they have for decades. and now europe has to be ready to come to its own defense. and i have to say, alex, this has been a very consistent theme at the munich security conference. and frankly, throughout this week, we've seen defense secretary pete hegseth on his first trip to europe, his first overseas trip as defense secretary. he's had the exact same message for nato members for the ukraine defense contact group. we've heard the same thing out of vice president j.d. vance and marco rubio, all three here in europe this week. and allies here are listening. we've now heard from people like the nato secretary general calling on european allies and nato members to spend more of their gross, their gdp on defense spending. right now, nato members are expected to spend 2% of their gdp on defense. now we are hearing from americans and even some other allies that that could raise as high as 5%. we're talking tens of billions of dollars in

additional defense spending by many allies. and the question is, can allies in nato even do this? and how long will it take? but zelinski also had a very specific message for the new trump administration, and he spoke a little bit about some about one of his recent conversations with president donald trump. alex, i got to tell you, this was one of the exchanges today here that really had people talking. he said that, in fact, he told donald trump, vladimir putin is afraid of him. here's what he had to say. >> i told trump that putin afraid of him. yes. and he assured me. and now putin knows. >> and, alex, you know, this comes as there are talks, even hope, about the potential for some kind of a negotiation between russia and ukraine. donald trump, members of the trump administration, have been

talking about how they want to broker this deal. donald trump reaching out to vladimir putin this week and president zelensky. and then on top of that, we learned just here this weekend at the munich security conference that treasury secretary scott traveled to ukraine this week. and while there, he presented vladimir zelensky with a plan for the united states to assume or absorb 50% of ukraine's critical minerals. alex, essentially, the plan here would be for the us to take these over potentially trillions of dollars in potential revenue here for the united states, basically as a way for ukraine to pay the us back for all the weapons and assistance that they've been giving. zelensky declined to sign this document. alex. >> i was going to say his reaction. did he say anything relative to that other than not signing that document? >> he didn't. he said that they he did not sign it. he needed to take more time to read it. but today, at that same the same event that we just saw the

exchange from, he said that the us and he are still talking about it. okay. >> courtney, thank you so much. i know we'll see you again. joining me also right now from the munich security conference, we have democratic congressman from colorado, jason crow. he's a member of the house armed services and intelligence committees. congressman, very good to see you. thank you for joining me. so between defense secretary pete hegseth, backtracking of comments that he made regarding security guarantees to ukraine and the denial of nato membership, and then vice president vance's address to european allies, how do you assess the trump administration's performance on the world stage, and have they shown the us will be reliable negotiators to end the war in ukraine? >> alex. >> the trump administration's policies are changing not by the day but by the hour. and i think that's a reflection of the fact that they have no policy, there's no doctrine, there's no policy. they'll put out a tweet, then they'll pull it back an hour or two later. the problem with that is that none of this is funny. none of this is

comical because it has really real consequences to our partnership, to our allies. you know, i am here in munich because i refuse to let donald trump and jd vance in, secretary hegseth and others be the voice of america to europe and to the world. there is a group of us here that are engaged in diplomacy, are engaged in discussions to let them know that there's a lot of people in america who understand that our economy is tied to europe, that our peace and prosperity is tied to europe, and that we can't pull back into our own borders and forget what's going on in other places. >> so in other words, you are trying to accentuate the word reliable. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, there has to be consistency. they they have to be able to see that there are people who understand the issue, that understand that consistency and reliability is key. you know, i believe in america's strength through partnership. one of the reasons why america is actually strong

is not just because we have aircraft carriers and bombers and all these weapon systems, but because we have partners. our alliances around the world are actually the envy of our adversaries. china, russia and others desperately want friends and allies that look like the ones that we have. they've tried to build out these alliance networks and they've largely failed. so we have this in the answer to addressing our problems and our threats is actually to build upon it and expand it, not to pull back from those, but reliability and consistency in being a true good partner is the best way to build those partnerships. >> so in terms of strength, that word i'm going to pick up on, because i'm curious what you make of ukrainian president zelensky's call for the creation of a european army. is it justified, considering the concerns in europe that they can no longer rely on the us? >> i think it's too early to tell whether or not they can or can't rely on the united states. and, you know, this notion of

strength, you know, i talked about what i think truly makes a strong it's our partnerships, it's our allies. it's the fact that we are a values based alliance and partnership with nato and other partnerships. but listen, donald trump and his version of america, his retrenchment and his pullback is actually a small, weak version of america. he believes in a small america, a weak america that can't be friends, that can't engage with the world. i think history is pretty clear. that makes us far less safe and makes our economy less prosperous. i think we have the leadership and the strength and the capability and the innovation to be a partner, to be engaged with the world. and in doing so, americans will be better off because of it. >> okay. let's talk about tulsi gabbard, who is the newly sworn in director of national intelligence and who will deliver daily intel briefings to the president from around the world, which, of course, feels like a tinderbox in many places.

you were on the intelligence committee. are you confident in her ability to advise trump on our most pressing national security issues? >> no, i have no reason to be confident. i opposed the nomination and encouraged the senate not to confirm tulsi gabbard. there's nothing in her past that gives me confidence that she has the experience to do this. but also i have very real concerns about some of her past statements, pro russian statements, her involvement with syria, syria and other places. so, you know, we're going to see she she obviously was was confirmed. she's going to be in the role. i sit on the intelligence committee now, which is the primary committee that has oversight in the house of our intelligence community. and i'm going to ask questions. i'm going to do my job. i'm going to conduct oversight to keep america safe, to make sure we have intelligence, that we build alliances because we get a lot of intelligence from our partners, from our allies here. this is another reason why it's important to have friends, because they have ears and eyes around the world to. and that

information helps keep americans safe. so i'm going to do my job and i'm not going to back down. >> have allies there. at the conference in munich, have they expressed concern over her new role? >> some have. you know, i talk regularly with folks around the world and there's a lot of questions. so, you know, there's not a lot that i can tell them right now because we're really early into this. but this is an example of why it's important to have people with not just the experience, but also that people can trust in these very critical national security positions. the test should not be total loyalty to donald trump, which unfortunately is more often than not, the test for these really important jobs in the trump administration. listen, we're playing we're playing with live fire here, right? i was a combat veteran or i'm a combat veteran. i served three combat tours in iraq and afghanistan. and i can tell you the threats are real that americans face around the

world. the threats are real that our troops face around the world. and when things don't work, when government doesn't work, when things break down, people get hurt, people get killed. so the consequences are real. and that's why this is not a joke. when we have people like elon musk and others running around firing people and dismantling these really important functions of our government. >> yeah, we thank you for that service and for sharing that perspective. let me move to what's happening here in the us regarding hundreds of thousands of federal workers who could be caught up in the administration's mass firing of probationary workers. more than a thousand employees of the veterans affairs have been fired, and some civil servants working with the agency tasked with overseeing the us nuclear weapons stockpile had been apparently fired. and now nbc news is learning they were just reinstated. does this feel dangerously disorganized to you? and i'm curious, the impact of gutting these government agencies.

>> well, of course it's disorganized, right? i'm not against a government efficiency and streamlining. i mean, every american knows that taking eight years to build a bridge just isn't going to work. it's inefficient. it takes too long. we can't build infrastructure fast enough. we can't do a lot of really important things in the way that americans should be able to expect. and i've been pushing hard for, you know, better process and reform. but that's not what this is about, right? that's not what the administration is doing. these are, by and large performative theatrical measures. they'll pick these, you know, one off cases and they'll say, this is broad policy. this is what an entire department or agency does or represents. and it's just not true. right? these people, these civil servants, keep our food safe, keep us safe when we're flying in planes, collect intelligence that is used by our troops. help spread the, the, the, you know, the spread of diseases. you know, these cuts to the national institutes of health, where we're doing cancer research and alzheimer's research. people's lives depend

on this. there's not a person in this country who hasn't been impacted by alzheimer's, by als, by cancer, right? life saving research that's being done by these institutions. and they've just taken a hammer to it. they just have fired people, furloughed people, have told them they're not doing their job, and americans are going to die because of it. right. every american should be really, really upset and up in arms about what's happening here. let's have a real discussion about reform that that is not what's happening in the early days of the trump administration. >> yeah. your description there, particularly relative to americans health and security that way, is quite sobering. let me get to the bipartisan negotiations that seem to have broken down over a temporary spending bill as a looming government shutdown deadline is less than a month away, and some of your democratic colleagues are suggesting democrats use a government shutdown as a political tool to protest donald trump and elon musk's efforts to defund and dismantle government

agencies. what is the reasoning there? and do you agree it would be effective? >> alex, let's be really clear. democrats are not shutting down the federal government. the republicans are in control of the white house. they're in control of the senate. they're in control of the house. they are in control of every branch of government. it is their responsibility to govern in the pass of budget. they're the ones that have the votes. if they choose to weaponize that budget to advance culture wars, to advance their agenda, that is out of step with the interests of americans. that is their choice. democrats are always going to be willing to govern, to extend an olive branch and do the work of the american people. but but that is not the position that we're in right now because we don't have the majority. it's the republicans responsibility to put forth a budget that can build a coalition and get the votes to pass. >> okay. democratic congressman from colorado jason crow. it's awfully good to see you. safe travels there overseas. thank you. we have many more

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by president trump, a move he acknowledges could see short term higher prices. trump's latest action, intended to punish allies and adversaries alike, also stoking fears of trade wars on multiple fronts. if other countries retaliate, increasing their own tariffs. joining me now from munich is former u.s. trade representative and council on foreign relations president michael froman. michael, so glad to have you here. so let's talk about whether you think president trump's intended effect is to have the so-called reciprocal action force other countries to reduce their tariffs on the us, or could it have the opposite effect that they increase their tariffs and then it just goes up the chain? >> well. >> i think that's the. >> right, the right question. because he certainly has. announced tariffs. first and foremost as a tool of leverage to get other countries. >> to come. >> to the table. >> and. >> to negotiate. and so by. >> announcing a reciprocal. >> trade program tariff. >> program, what. >> he's signaling. >> to other countries is if

you've got a trade deficit with us, and your tariffs on our products are higher than our tariffs on yours, then there's going to be a problem and we're going to raise our tariffs to your level. unless we can reach an accommodation for some countries that might lead them to reduce their tariffs. for others though, they there's a lot of pushback saying these are the negotiated rates. this is all part of an international agreement. and if the us is going to unilaterally break its agreement by raising tariffs, other countries will retaliate and raise tariffs as well. and that could create a downward spiral. >> so here's what president trump said about the impact of tariffs on consumers. take a listen. >> prices could go up somewhat short term, but prices will also go down. there could be some short term disturbance. but long term it's going to it's going to make our country a fortune. >> so americans. >> should prepare for some short term pain. >> you said that. i didn't say that. >> well, if the prices go up and let's. >> see what happens, nobody really knows what is going to

happen. >> okay. so if these tariffs go into effect, does nobody really know what will happen? or is it clear that us consumers would be paying more. >> when a tarf g imposed? it either gets eaten in part by the by the company, so the company's profits go down, or it gets passed on to the consumer, or both. now, for a lot of these products, you know, whether it's a grocery store or a store that sells clothing, they tend to operate on pretty narrow margins, so they can't really reduce their profits all that much. and which means they've got to pass it on to the consumer. and that is the history of tariffs. it does get passed on. it tends to increase the cost of living. and once tariffs are put in place it's one thing we've seen from trump, one through biden through the biden administration is once tariffs are put in place, they're very hard to remove or to get rid of because constituencies get quite used to them and they tend to adjust their behavior accordingly. and so i'm afraid that the

imposition of tariffs will ultimately have an impact on consumers. how much depends on which ones are ultimately imposed and whether other countries retaliate against us. >> okay. so let's drill a little bit into that, because in a recent article, you discussed trump's delayed 25% tariff threats on canada and mexico and the 10% tariffs on all goods from china. how surprising is that move by the trump administration? and might it end up damaging the us more than canada, mexico or china? and if so, in what way? >> well, trade wars really don't benefit anybody. i mean, the president has said that it would raise revenue. but if we look back at the history, for example, of the tariffs on china during the first trump administration, it raised something like $70 billion of revenue, virtually all of which then got paid to the american farmers who china had retaliated against. so there wasn't a net benefit to the us treasury of very much money. i think the

challenge is, is that tariffs tend to raise the overall prices, hurt consumers and ultimately hurt our competitiveness. if at the end of the day, tariffs get companies to move their production to the united states. well, then there's the benefit of job creation in the united states. well, one of the challenges is here is that companies to make that decision need a lot of certainty to make a big capital decision to move their supply chain or to build a factory in the united states. and one thing that through the trump use of tariffs is, is right now a great deal of uncertainty. he'll announce it in the morning. he'll take it off in the afternoon. and companies can't make capital allocation decisions on that basis. >> one more question to you, michael, since you're in munich for the security conference, where european leaders are facing quite a quandary, can they continue counting on the united states? vice president vance said the biggest threat to europe comes from europe itself, and called for nato members to increase their defense spending.

then you have defense secretary hegseth telling members that america's foreign policy priorities lie outside of europe. what's the reaction from european allies, and do you perceive that message as alarming in some ways? >> well, there have been a number of different messages that have been conveyed this week. earlier in the week, vice president vance also said that the us supports nato and wants european europe to be secure. of course, also, we want europe to pay for more of its own security and to step up and deploy troop, if necessary, to, to address their their own security. so there is a lot of uncertainty, exactly what secretary hegseth and vice president vance's comments mean. it's not all negative. but certainly the europeans are very much concerned right now. the combination of speeches this week about ukraine, about nato, about europe, including about european domestic politics, have put them all in quite a bit of a meltdown. and that's what they're dealing with right now.

this could be a moment, alex, for europe to step up, us and zelenskyy and others are saying europe ultimately needs to be responsible for european security. and this could be what it takes to get europe to get its act together. what's its defense industrial base, its commitment to defense, its reform of its military structures? so there is possibility there. but those have all been very difficult issues. they've been on the agenda for a long time, at least right now. the europeans are suffering from what they call trump shock therapy. >> okay. michael froman, thank you so much for your astute analysis. thanks for look forward to talking with you again. it took nearly 500 days, but for one american family there is relief. the scenes that are going to tell that story, are going to tell that story, we'll show it to you next. with fatigue and light-headedness, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue,

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including an american israeli citizen as part of the ceasefire deal with israel. nbc's hala gorani is in tel aviv for us. hello, welcome. what do we know, first of all, about the condition of these freed hostages and where they are now? and do tell us about the american. well, the. american is. >> declan, 36 years old. you saw him there embracing his wife, avital. he's a father of three daughters, one of whom he only met for the first time today because she was born a few months after he was taken captive on october 7th, 2023, from kibbutz nir oz. the other two men who were released are horn, 46 years old, and the dual russian israeli national, who's name is sasha trufanov, 29 years old. he turned 29, in captivity. now we this morning watched as hamas and palestinian islamic jihad, the other militant group inside gaza, paraded the men on stage. they had them hold up

certificates. one of the men, in fact, the israeli american sagi cohen, was given, apparently, according to hamas, gold earrings for. >> the. >> daughter he hadn't met yet who was born while he was kidnaped and taken captive inside of the gaza strip. on the other side, israel released 333 prisoners back into gaza that were arrested after october 7th, as well as 36 men who were serving life sentences there. two, there was sort of a stage managed production in a sense, because they had them wear these shirts with star of david inscriptions as well as we will not forget, we will not forgive, written both in hebrew and in arabic. and alex, just to wrap up, because this is really what everyone is now looking for, are signs of whether or not this what sometimes really appears as a fragile truce is going to hold. it's important to note

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joining me now, the senator you just saw there, chris, democrat from delaware, he is a member of the appropriations, foreign relations and judiciary committees and joins us now from the munich security conference. senator, awfully glad to have you here. we're going to get to us messaging and the meltdown in munich in just a moment. but first, what are the biggest red flags for you about kash patel's nomination? and do you expect your republican colleagues will make him the next fbi director? >> alex, they should not. we should vote down kash patel, but i am gravely concerned that there are no republicans at this point expressing concerns about him or voting against him. he came out of the judiciary committee last week and is scheduled for floor vote later this week. we're going to push the time as much as we can, but eventually i think he will be confirmed. his conduct over the last couple of years, the book he wrote, the many interviews he did, the campaign rallies he

spoke at, the podcast interviews. he did lay the groundwork for the questioning that i and many other democrats presented him with in his confirmation hearing. although he tried to sound a balanced and reasonable during his confirmation hearing, tried to say he was looking forwards, not backwards. he wasn't interested in vengeance. he couldn't answer the key questions about political independence. we did have a period, alex, in american history, where fbi director j. edgar hoover was explicitly partizan and carried out completely inappropriate wiretapping of civil rights leaders actions against americans in our own country to advance a political agenda. and for decades now, we have had independent fbi directors. i asked those same questions of chris wray, a republican nominated by trump, who i voted to confirm because he correctly answered that it's critical for the fbi director to be independent, to be willing to

resign rather than carry out an illegal order, and to refuse to initiate an investigation. if it was for partizan political services purposes. excuse me, kash patel didn't pass that test and i will vote against it. >> so you believe that he will be in this position and be able to investigate and or fire anybody who conducted investigations into donald trump? >> that's my concern. and frankly, senator whitehouse, sheldon whitehouse of rhode island, and senator dick durbin in the confirmation process and publicly have raised concerns that mr. patel is already involved in inappropriate firings of some of the most senior fbi director, fbi staff, leadership, staff in washington, and that there's already a purge underway of fbi directors who were simply following directions and carrying out their appropriate investigatory role in investigating those who stormed the capitol and assaulted police officers on january 6th.

>> let's move to your position on appropriations, which oversees the allocation of funds to government agencies. this week, 14 states sued the trump administration, arguing giving elon musk's department of government accountability unchecked authority is constitutional, essentially saying it stripped power from appropriations and congress. do those states have a case, sir? trump says he's just trying to make the government run more efficiently and reduce fraud, which most would support. so where do you stand and how much fraud has actually been found? >> well, when a new president comes in and there's a new majority in the senate, it's absolutely appropriate for them to realign spending priorities to fit with their political priorities. and it's appropriate to ask questions about whether or not there's fraud, waste or abuse in federal programs. but that's not what doj's doing. they came in and the president signed an executive order within his first few days and shut down

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national security workforce, in the firefighting workforce across the country, whether it's in our national parks or it's in the intelligence services. >> you mentioned usaid, and this week, a judge ordered the trump administration to unfreeze foreign aid spending, saying plaintiff showed a strong preliminary showing of irreparable harm. other recent decisions have blocked the administration's efforts to dismantle, again, the u.s. agency for international development. will these decisions hold, senator? and what are the consequences if they don't? >> well, i hope they will. but frankly, what's more urgent is that the money get turned back on because there are so many different nonprofits that work in partnership with usaid around the world, nonprofits that are household names like world vision or catholic relief services, save the children or care that are already publicly announcing that they have laid off hundreds or thousands of

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