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first public comments since december. he is currently awaiting trial in a new york detention facility. and take a look at the dramatic rescue of a teen from a 50 foot mineshaft in california. that 16 year old was exploring the mine when his repel rope broke, sending him plummeting down. he was sent to a trauma center for treatment. we hope he's doing okay. why? some fired federal workers suddenly became unfired in the past 24 hours, and why the whole story is unsettling. the next hour starts right now. good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with a new report from cnbc. unemployment numbers are surging in washington, d.c, as the trump administration plows ahead with plans to shrink the federal workforce. jobless filings in the capital were up 36% in the week ending april. february 8th.
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and another new report at this hour from nbc news says trump administration officials are now trying to unfire a group of nuclear safety employees, but they can't figure out how to reach them. here's congressman jason crow talking to me from the security conference in munich. >> i've been pushing hard for, you know, better process and reform. but that's not what this is about, right? that's not what the administration is doing. they are, by and large, performative theatrical measures. >> also new today, some new concerns and questions over fbi nominee kash patel from a democratic senator attending the security conference. patel could come up for a final confirmation vote next week. >> we have whistleblower. >> information, according to our ranking member, who that indicate that patel was deeply involved in the firing of these top level fbi agents and officers. so we want to bring it
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back in the committee. there are a lot of unanswered questions. also, about 1 to 5 million in stock options that he has. >> my full interview with senator adam schiff is coming up next hour. and some new reaction to the trump justice department squeezing career prosecutors to dismiss corruption charges against new york city mayor eric adams. seven prosecutors, including at least two conservatives, resigned before one litigator under pressure from beauvais, made the tough choice to sign the dismissal motion. it's all highly objectionable conduct from mr. beauvais, and if we were. >> in a normal, functioning. justice department, there would be. >> an. >> internal inquiry into the way he behaved and treated these prosecutors. the real risk. >> here would have been. >> that if everyone in public integrity had been fired, then beauvais would have been free to repopulate public integrity with much more compliant, less experienced people. >> we've got several reporters and analysts ready to discuss
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all of these new developments, and we're going to begin with nbc's yamiche alcindor, who is in washington, and the alarming new developments in the mass firings of government employees. yamiche, we are hearing some workers now have been fired. >> that's right, alex. >> and it really is a. striking situation. this is playing out at the department of energy. and this has to do with with federal workers who. >> oversee the. >> nuclear stockpile. so nuclear safety, as you said, and in an email, it's part it's from the national nuclear security administration. it says the termination letters for some probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to reach them. why don't they have a good way to reach them? because these employees who again oversee the nuclear stockpile, their access to their federal emails and their federal communications were taken away when they were told that they were being let go. and now the federal government is trying to get in touch with these folks and say, actually, we want you back. now, of course, probationary employees are people who have been with the government about a year or two. this is one of the key places where elon musk and
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doge were trying to get people to, to let go and to and to resign. they then moved to terminate them. all of this is happening, and there's a lot of critics say that what they see as chaos. take a listen to what jason crow just said. >> i'm not against a government efficiency and streamlining. that's not what the administration is doing. they are, by and large performative theatrical measures. they'll pick these, you know, one off cases and they'll say, this is broad policy. this is what an entire department or agency does or represents. and it's just not true. right? these people, these civil servants, keep our food safe, keep us safe when we're flying in planes, collect intelligence that is used by our troops. >> and i have to tell you, i was speaking to a senior clinton administration official who oversaw large scale cuts to the federal government in the 1990s. that person told me that they believe that this was going to happen, that they were going to be people who were going to be invited back into the federal government. once elon musk and
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president trump realized that some of the people that they were letting go and pushing out were actually essential workers. alex. >> okay. and then in the first place, okay, let me just ask you this question with the department of justice, which moved late yesterday to drop corruption charges against new york city mayor eric adams. what's the latest on that, yamiche? >> well, it's really interesting. we saw a number of federal prosecutors resign in protest because they did not want to follow that d.o.j. that that the doj telling them to drop these charges against the new york city mayor, eric adams. but someone has now taken that opportunity and taken that stance and has dropped the charges against the new york city mayor. it's a striking thing to see this, and there are a lot of critics about this, a lot of people saying that this is not a good look for the federal government to be stepping in at this point and saying that the new york city mayor shouldn't be facing these charges, because there are some who say the federal government had a lot of evidence that would have been able to prove that he was guilty. but that being said, of course, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. now, the
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other thing to note, though, is that president trump, apart and separate from this situation, is posting online today about the legal courts and the legal systems in our country. and he wrote in part, he who saves his country does not violate any law. there are a number of people looking at that because we have seen not only president trump go after the legal system, but in this case, we have a number of judges who are slowing down and blocking his move to cut spending in the federal government and determining a number of employees, federal employees. so the president has been going after those judges, which is his right in some ways. but here this post is making a number of critics of president trump very nervous, saying that he's really trying to, in some ways go even further and saying that he is above the law in some cases. of course, this is what the president is not particularly saying, but he is posting something that is making a lot of people worried. >> it could be interpreted that way. okay, yamiche, thank you so much for that. more now on the adams case. here's adams, who joined border czar tom homan on fox news to discuss adams cooperation with the trump administration's immigration policy. >> if he doesn't come through, i'll be back in new york city and we won't be sitting on the
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couch. i'll be in his office up, up his butt saying, where the hell is the agreement we came to? >> so i delivered, and i want ice to deliver. we're going to deliver for the safety of the people of this city. >> okay. >> joining me now, rebecca roiphe, former manhattan assistant district attorney and current professor at new york law school. interesting language there. one of your scholarly articles was cited in the acting manhattan us attorney's lengthy resignation letter, which seems to speak directly to the sound that we just played, she argued, dismissing the case with the option of indicting adams again in the future creates obvious ethical problems. if adams cooperation is, quote, unsatisfactory, adams claims he did not trade his authority as mayor in exchange for ending his case. but when you listen to that clip, is a threat being delivered. >> you know, it. >> certainly looks that way. there is the appearance. >> that there is this dismissal. >> with leverage, essentially,
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that. >> what the department of justice is doing is holding over his head the possibility of being charged with these crimes to make him do what they want him to do. but you know what? even if that is not the case, it is inappropriate to either bring or dismiss charges in order to effect some kind of public policy consequence. and here, even if what they're doing is just trying to, like, free him up because he's doing what they wanted to do anyway, that's also an inappropriate use of the criminal law. so either way, that is not the way prosecutors have been trained to use their power. and that's why we see so many resignations, because this is an inappropriate partizan consideration to be injected into a decision that ought to be about the impartial application of the laws. >> well, in fact, the lead prosecutor in adams case had a stark comment. in his resignation letter, hagan scotten said that laws and traditions don't permit the dismissal and added if no lawyer within earshot of the president
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is willing to give him that advice, then i expect you will eventually find someone who is enough of a fool or enough of a coward to file your motion, but it was never going to be me in this moment. rebecca, how important are the courts in standing up to trump, and what does it mean if the doj is doing his bidding? >> i think, you know, it's really important to have these courageous prosecutors standing up for the rule of law. right now. the court has very little discretion at this point. i think there's some unsettled law about whether or not the court can even resist the dismissal when the defendant has signed on to this and wants it to happen. and so we're going to see that play out in the courts. and perhaps the courts are an additional check here, but that is not at all clear. so these prosecutors are sending a message that this is what is happening to the department of justice. under the current administration, our extremely important right now, because they are whistleblower whistleblowers sending a call to
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the public that, you know, this is extremely concerning. >> let's play this out. if adams loses his job, does that have any impact on his legal trouble? does it make it more likely new or the same charges could be brought sooner? and could he face new york state charges, too? >> yeah. i mean, that's a really interesting question. so the department of justice gave essentially two reasons for their order to dismiss this case. the first one was, as we were saying, to free him up so that he can implement their policy objectives of criminal law enforcement, and especially with regard to immigration policy. but the other one, initially, what they said was that this was potentially politically motivated. then later on, after danielle sassoon gave her resignation letter, he doubled down and he said this was a weaponized use of criminal justice system. he said that without any proof or evidence. but once he said that, it would be very hard for him to bring new charges, even if eric adams is no longer mayor. so i think,
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you know, the possibility that these charges are going to come back is pretty slim. of course, it is true that the manhattan district attorney's office could step in here and might do so. i mean, we've seen that, you know, alvin bragg has been willing to serve as a backstop when there is some issue with regard to federal law enforcement, either the laws that are available to federal prosecutors or what's going on in in federal prosecution, that he might indeed step in. >> big picture here, because former prosecutors and other experts say that trump's actions could open the floodgates to corruption that includes by foreign actors. can you explain the stakes of removing these guardrails? >> absolutely. so, you know, essentially what what all these guardrails do is they prevent against a system that's kind of like the spoils system, which is what was there before we had career prosecutors. there were, you know, prosecutors that were essentially in the pocket of politicians and they would do what politicians wanted, which meant essentially that
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politicians controlled this huge, vast power to deprive people of liberty. and so and they could threaten that as well, in order to make any actor do what they wanted to do. so there is the possibility that we go back to a world in which that's the case, essentially the world of mob bosses, where, you know, political party bosses, where they control all sorts of powerful actors by holding over their head the possibility of investigation, prosecution, criminal charges. and, you know, that's a world in which we don't have equal justice anymore under the law, and liberty is at stake. and of course, when people's liberty is at stake, there are, you know, incredibly likely to do somebody's bidding. and so, you know, it's a real corruption, a real fear of corruption. defendants down across the board might now claim this is a department of justice that has been compromised, and therefore, the respect for the rule of law, even in kind of run of the mill cases, is compromised. >> does that mean you're not
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surprised that more than seven did not resign in the offices as a result of this? >> you know, i think probably what happened was a calculated decision that they would be worse off if all of them left, you know? in other words, isn't it good to have some experienced and ethical prosecutors remain in that office at this moment? because if they all leave, then, you know, all of these offices would be filled with somebody who, you know, doesn't have their training and perhaps doesn't have their ethical compass. and so i think probably what ended up happening was a choice between two evils. and this is the one that was chosen. >> okay. rebecca roiphe, please come see me again. many thanks for this conversation. joining me now, alicia cross, democratic strategist and former adviser to the obama campaign, and brendan buck, msnbc political analyst, also former press secretary to house speaker john boehner. we're going to talk in a minute. i just want to ask you guys on the heels of that question for you first, brendan, after what do you make of this? >> well, i think it's a. >> very clear instance of a quid
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pro quo here. it's also one in which we know that mayor adams has basically sold immigrant immigrant rights, and the sanctuary city status of the of new york up the river, and for lack of a better term at this point, just because he wanted to have what is essentially a preemptive pardon to walk away, get out of jail free card when it came to the federal charges that he was going to be facing. donald trump made it so that this man is going to be able to essentially walk. but to do that, he has to do the bidding of the president's administration. he has to do the bidding of project 2025. new york has a spotlight on its back when it comes to migrants when it comes to immigration. and at this point, they've also got the trump administration has a really good friend in the mayor of new york. >> brendan, how do you interpret what's going on? >> well, look. >> it's hard to look at donald trump at this. >> point and not. >> think we. >> have. >> probably never. >> had a president with so little regard. for our system of government and basic ethics.
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>> and i know that that. >> that's probably, you know. >> saying a lot. >> but. >> you know. >> he presents. >> himself as, as. >> this law and. >> order person. >> but. >> it's very. >> clear he does not care about the rule of law. he doesn't care about justice. >> he doesn't even really. >> seem to. care about corruption. >> you quoted the. >> letter from one of the prosecutors who. >> resigned, hagen. >> scott, who also makes the point. if you're a business person, maybe this seems like a good deal. you get some leverage on somebody and that's fine. unless unless you remember what our system of government is all about. and checks and balances and basic ethics, and anyone who has any sense of those things would never go down this road. and it's just, i think, remarkable to appreciate how little the president of the united states cares about how our system of government is supposed to work. >> yeah, okay, brendan, you guys stay with me, because we are going to talk a little later about the proposed cuts to medicaid and some potential concerns about medicare and social security. so that's coming up. don't go far. meantime, what ukrainian
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did zelensky reveal about his talks with president trump? >> yeah, and in that moment where president zelensky said that he told donald trump that vladimir putin is afraid of him, and then he paused and said, and now vladimir putin knows that he told him that. so it was really quite a moment here at munich security conference today, alex. but in addition to that, the moderator asked a number of questions to ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky about his conversations with donald trump. and he really didn't give a whole lot of detail beyond saying that the conversations have gone well. he did, however, say that he hopes that next time donald trump plans to call both vladimir putin and himself volodymyr zelensky, he hopes zelenskyy is the one who gets that first call. but in addition to that, he had a larger message here for a munich security conference. and that included the fact he warned europe that they need to take more responsibility for security of this region. not only that, he said that there were some specific things that europe needs to do, even calling for a
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european army. here's what he had to say. >> many leaders have talked about europe that needs its own military, an army, an army of europe. i really believe that time has come. the armed forces of europe must be created. >> and in addition to calling for this army of europe, which, by the way, he made clear he didn't intend for that to replace nato, but rather to be something that all of europe could come together. it wasn't lost on the crowd. i will say, alex, that that would not include the united states as nato does. but in addition to that, he also called on europe to be more aggressive in creating a defense industrial base that was inherent to this region. in other words, he was saying that european leaders need to be able to produce their own weapons and equipment and not rely on other partners like the united states. alex. >> okay, such an interesting
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>> we're going to bring you the full interview with senator schiff in our next hour. but right now, let's bring in maya ward, white house reporter for politico. maya, welcome. so what was vance's strategy for that speech? >> yeah, i mean, it. >> was this. very maga speech. >> you know. focused on. >> populism and culture war issues. and he really went after european allies for ignoring the will of voters, overturning elections, ignoring religious freedoms, and not doing enough to stop illegal immigration. and he was basically trying to send this message that, look, you know, europe should not count on the us as a partner if it does not make moves to address migration or what he called, you know, threats to free speech. and so it definitely stunned folks. i mean, we saw leaders like german chancellor schultz, you know, really hit back at vance. but i also think that some kind of viewed it as a wake up call of sorts. i mean, there have been these other moments in recent years, whether you're talking about trump's first term
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in the white house or the war in ukraine, these moments that have really spurred questions about europe's security. so i think it did light a little bit of a fire in a way, and that nato defense spending is ultimately going to be that test. you know, there are some european allies who believe that not only do they have to step it up because of the pressure from vance, the united states, from president trump, but that the continent also has to be able to protect itself collectively. >> you know, you mentioned reaction from the german chancellor. so that means they had a moment to digest it. they could write something, issue a statement, but initially, immediately in that room. what was the reaction? >> it was stunned. i mean, our colleagues there, people were shocked. i mean, he really brought the room to silence. i mean, they were expecting this conversation about defense and the war in ukraine. and like i said, i mean, it was this very maga red meat speech that, you
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know, issued a bunch of attacks and focused on this, this issue of populism and culture war issues. so it's definitely not what expected. but like i said, i think it was a wake up call of sorts for those who were in the room. >> yeah. >> so back stateside, the trump justice department has moved to dismiss corruption charges against new york city mayor eric adams. that's a decision met with immediate backlash and seven doj prosecutors resigning in protest. but what's behind the dismissal? >> yeah, i mean, you talked about this a bit earlier, but i mean, it has truly created this, you know, crisis of sorts inside the justice department. and in that letter, you all were talking about from hagen scott. and i think something that really stood out to me is, is this accusation in there about, you know, a mill, beauvais and trump, you know, embracing a deal in exchange for the mayor's support for trump's policy agenda. those are the kind of
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accusations that we're going to see going forward. everything the mayor does is going to be looked at with that level of scrutiny. the same thing, you know, with the white house working with new york city to deal with the immigration issue. and i think something else is important to note as well, this this resistance we've seen inside the department of justice. you know, this isn't the end of this signing. the dismissal does not in the case. you know, experts note that the judge handling the case is likely going to go to those prosecutors. and those prosecutors have to go to court and explain why the government changed course. so we haven't seen the end of this yet. >> okay. what about reuters, which is reporting elon musk's tactics there, frustrating some white house senior officials, especially trump's chief of staff, siouxsie wiles. what can you tell us about potentially their relationship and how much presence, how it's generally being seen within the administration? >> yeah, i mean, look, siouxsie
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wiles came in, you know, with this plan to really run this tight ship. we saw what she did with the trump campaign, and there's just been operating in secrecy, you know, offering no information about who works there, where it's operating, what its targets are, and little details released to the public about what the cuts inside these agencies actually are, aside from some of these dollar figures that they're releasing and they're moving incredibly fast. we've seen, you know, elon musk is basically touching more than a dozen federal agencies at this point. and so it's not surprising knowing how siouxsie wiles operates, that there already has been some tensions just about communication and coordination about the moves he's making. because, you know, when you're making drastic changes like this, messaging to voters is a big part of it. and the white house knows that. and i would also just note, this is not the first example that we've seen a little bit of friction. i mean, we saw two weeks ago, which i admit at this point does
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saying usaid cuts came as a surprise, since many of their projects began during the first trump presidency. >> the 180, i would say, is it's shocking. >> i think. >> a lot of people were anticipating. >> the priorities of the. >> trump administration, for example, to continue. so me personally, it was a lot of confusion, and it was a lot of frustration to see that thousands and estimated 8000. people in this field are now unemployed. i'll be okay. i have community, i have resources, i have savings. i think it's really just heartbreaking to know that there are millions of people around the world depending on this. >> joining me now is skye perryman, president and ceo of democracy forward. skye, welcome to you. your organization's lawsuit on behalf of aid workers successfully got funding reinstated, at least temporarily. so what happens next for these 8000 workers and for the millions who rely on this aid? >> yeah. so there are. >> two lawsuits. and in. >> both of. >> them, there have been court. orders really seeking to stop
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what the trump administration is doing, or at least pause it while the courts can consider the legality. we are involved in one of those lawsuits where the court has put a pause twice now on aid workers for the federal government that we're going to be dismissed in mass, which would really make americans both abroad and at home less safe. and so the court has paused that while it's considering the while, it's considering the legality, which, of course, we believe it's wholly unlawful to decimate an agency that congress, of course, is funding. and then the second lawsuit that was filed earlier this week, a judge has also reinstated the funding, stopped the funding freeze with usaid. >> it's my understanding that democracy forward is involved in at least ten other challenges to the president's initiative. so when you look at the impact of the administration's many moves, what is your estimation? what in
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your estimation, rather is the most egregious overreach by the government? >> well, certainly, this is an administration that's not protecting working americans, and that is violating the constitution, seeking to do things like depriving people of their first amendment rights with the stroke of a pen. but it's also an administration that is seeking to isolate our country, making americans abroad and at home less safe. so we are fighting on all fronts right now in the courts, everything from seeking to stop this administration from acting as if they can take away people's first amendment rights through the way they teach history, or the way the way people perceive of their realities and communities. this is an administration that really wants to say their way or the highway, which is not how this works in america. and then at the same time, it's an administration that really wants to break our government and not enable it to work for the people. and so
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we're doing a lot of work to ensure that the federal workers in our government remain independent and nonpartizan, that they are not terminated in mass and not replaced with loyalists. that's just not how we do things in america, and we are confident that the courts will see it that way. >> so, scott, i want to play a brief clip. it is from the house doge subcommittee hearing this week, responses to some questions from new york congressman thomas suozzi. let's watch that. >> what kind of. >> access does mr. >> musk and his team have? what kind of. changes have they been making to. >> the computer programs? >> how many of those changes to computer programs are permanent, and how will that affect people going forward? mr. dubois, what's he doing? >> i don't. >> know what he's doing. i think he's looking. you know what he's doing? >> no. >> mr. do you know what he's doing? >> it would be inappropriate. >> me. >> for comment. >> do you know what he's doing? >> we have not looked. >> at that. miss olson. >> no. yeah. does it surprise
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you? none of the government and expert witnesses could say what the doge team is actually doing. >> well, this is even happening in federal court, where the government doesn't and can't often represent exactly what they're doing. and this is another hugely concerning situation. the american people did not elect elon musk or elect doge to come in and run roughshod over their rights, over their privacy and over the way our country functions, and that is what they are doing. we filed a lawsuit the first day of this administration against doge because of the harmful influence that it was already having, and we have filed a number of other suits to seek to protect the american people and their privacy against what is really a takeover by an unelected, unaccountable billionaire and cronies seeking to undermine the rights of the american people. >> okay, skye perryman, we'll see you again, no doubt. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> cutting social services to pay for a big tax cut. how this could come back to haunt
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with an already razor thin house majority. amicia cross and brendan buck are back with me, so welcome, guys. amicia. look, it's not just medicaid. elon musk also claims massive amounts of fraud without proof in medicare and social security. though president trump had pledged to protect those before he got back into the oval office. how far can musk go under the pretense of fraud, and what are the consequences? >> well, i think you can go. >> as far as the american people. let him. one of the reasons why the flag has not been raised higher thus far is because those entitlement programs have not effectively been touched. once you start going into medicaid, which provides health insurance coverage for those who are at or below the poverty line, i was a medicaid kid myself. that was the way my mother was able to afford to get health care for her four children as a single mom. when i think about areas across the south where you have a larger percentage of constituents who are receiving medicaid, either for themselves or for their young children, this really matters because the same people who voted donald
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trump in in alabama, mississippi, texas, florida, you name it are the same people who will in a very short order. if elon musk gets his way, no longer be able to visit the doctor. that matters when we talk about social security. we know that the musk and doge, the 18 and 19 year olds with interesting names that could probably be on pornhub, those individuals are slashing and dashing folks. accessibility to veterans services, to after-school programs, to everything that helps the american family. the same things that folks need across this country, regardless of if you're in a red, blue or purple state. when they see those cuts and it hits home, we're going to see a huge pushback. so there has been senators in the south, there have been congressmembers in the south who have made these same conversations with the president about, hey, you may want to loosen up on this reel in elon just a bit because midterms are around the corner. and if people lose access to social security, if they lose access to medicaid, if they lose access to the programs that help keep them afloat, he's done.
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>> so brendan trump posts about balancing the budget, but the plan released by house republicans adds roughly 3 trillion to the deficit over ten years. it calls for deep spending cuts on health care and food programs. but to pay for tax cuts, the democrats say, largely benefit the rich. so when this starts to affect americans, especially maga supporters, what then? >> yeah. as somebody who helped pass the tax law, i do have to say it cut taxes for everybody and actually disproportionately cut taxes at a higher rate for lower income people. but i understand the political point. and yeah, look, republicans have been talking about needing to use their power and their time in power to cut spending for years and years and years. and it's been really hard to ever execute. and it's finally seems to the point where they have no more excuses. and so they're going to try to swing big. the problem is finding politically palatable spending cuts is much easier said than done. i've been through a number of bipartisan
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negotiations, particularly with boehner and obama, trying to find a lot of savings. the reality is, most of our money that we spend is in a few places the defense department, social security, medicare and medicaid. those first three nobody seems to be wanting to touch. and that leaves medicaid. and you have to go really deep, really far to cut medicaid to reach the kind of numbers that they're talking about. and they're still not probably going to reach the number to pay for the cost of, of the tax extension. and it just shows you that when you take all of these things off the table and you talk about waste, fraud and abuse, that may sound good on a bumper sticker, but that's not how you're ever going to balance the budget. and these numbers finally adding up seem to demonstrate that. >> okay, let's move on to a level of unemployment lately because trump told agencies to fire all probationary employees, those who worked for the federal government less than two years. hundreds of thousands could be affected. and elon musk has raised the possibility of
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deleting entire agencies. so at what point do we simply not have the same level of federal government as we did before? >> i think. >> we're quickly approaching that point. first and foremost, elon musk cannot get rid of federal agencies. that is done with it, with an act of congress. but what he can do and what donald trump has basically greenlit him doing is restructuring many of those. he is greatly reducing the workforce. he is shifting certain programs, cutting grants, spending for various, for various necessities across the country. but i think that it's basically bare bones. what is the federal system? their idea? elon and the doge individuals as well as trump, is that the federal government is too big. it needs to get smaller. it's inefficient. it's ineffective. meanwhile, not taking into consideration the millions of americans who rely on the very things that are provisions of the federal government. and if you're somebody who cares about things like national security, national security interests, you should really care about what he is doing. if you're someone who cares about health care, you
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should really care about what he's doing. if you're somebody who cares about housing. at this point, we're watching him shift around priorities. we're watching him slash doordash gut and not really care about who's affected. on top of that, many of the individuals who are caught in the middle are not only federal workers in d.c, they're federal workers who are housed in states across this country that also have federal satellite as well as federal buildings there as well. this is a huge this is a huge change for america. it's a huge change for the functions of our government. and it is a total erosion of our checks and balances system. >> and here's something else, brandon. because musk's team got approval from the labor department to use software that could transfer vast amounts of data, raising some privacy concerns. certainly, we saw him answer questions in the oval office this week. some of doj's actions have been halted by the courts temporarily. but can he will he just keep running roughshod over the government? and are you seeing any signs of tension with trump? >> here's the problem. i don't know what he's doing. and this
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has got back to the point that you were discussing in the previous segment. it's not entirely clear to me what how he's able to use his authority to actually, i don't know, save any money. they're letting go of a lot of employees, and that is certainly going to add up to a certain degree, but it's still going to be a rounding error in the budget. what i'm what i'm concerned about or really frustrated with is the lack of transparency and the idea that this one person is the person restructuring government. elon musk is clearly a very smart person. he has no idea how the federal government works. this is supposed to be the job of congress. and i don't just mean the current congress. i mean congress for the last few decades, which have basically opted out of either authorizing or doing, providing oversight over agencies and directing them how they're supposed to operate. congress kind of just stopped doing that. and that leaves the executive with all kinds of power. and now donald trump and elon musk are using it. there could be thoughtful ways to reform a lot of government programs. i think there probably
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is a lot of waste and bloat in a lot of federal programs, but just indiscriminately cutting workforce and ending programs without any real concept of what they're going to do or how that's going to affect people's real lives is not a real smart way to go about it. and eventually, the politics may catch up with him, and donald trump may need to reel them in. if he does, something is actually politically really damaging. >> wow, all this chaos. just to your point, it's a rounding point, right? in the federal budget. that's all it'll add up to. okay, brendan and misha, thanks. we'll see you guys next weekend. appreciate you both. a moment of relief in the middle east. some new reaction to east. some new reaction to today's here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! shower again. with
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the new releases today? >> well, we spent a good part of the day at hostages square in tel aviv. this is really become the nerve center of the hostage release movement in this country. these three men were held for almost 500 days. there was an israeli american among the three who were released. the name sagi, a 36 year old who met his third child, a daughter, for the first time today because his wife gave birth after he was kidnaped on october 7th. the other two are sasha trufanov, 29, and yair horn, 46. all three men were kidnaped from kibbutz nir oz. as i mentioned, we spent a good part of the day at hostages square. there. i caught up with sharon, her mother and father. elderly mother and father were both taken. on october 7th. her mother was released 17 days after being kidnaped, but her father is still inside gaza and she does fear the worst for him. listen
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to our conversation. >> do you. >> have any information. about his condition? how he's doing anything? >> we know his. >> chances are slim. >> we know. >> and we know that you know, i know that because when i hugged him at the end of august 2023, i felt his older, you know, he's a he's a strong ox, but he was an older strong and a frail. he was injured. he was shot on the 7th of october. he he needs medicine that he has not received for very long. and the conditions in gaza are horrific. >> and. >> alex, as you mentioned, israel released hundreds, the largest number, in fact, of palestinians since the cease fire agreement was signed. there were men serving life sentences. and we talked about the stage management, sort of on the hamas side, the israeli authorities made the men wear sweatshirts with we will not forgive, we will not forgeten
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