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a forbidden love affair right in the family. one son sleeping with the other son's wife. he said, if i was going to have an affair, he wish it would have been with anybody else except his brother. dennis murphy (voiceover): bad blood between brothers-- had that been a motive for murder? had one killed the other to steal his wife? dennis murphy (voiceover): in court, it all came out-- scandalous passions, jealousy, greed, lust. he said that he was the black sheep of the family. dennis murphy (voiceover): a family saga turns riveting courtroom drama. i cried the whole time. the time we received the call was around 3:00 am.

dennis murphy (voiceover): the sheriff's office 911 operator could barely understand the voice on the other end of the call. dennis murphy (voiceover): a dispatcher called for sergeant james dingeldein to help listen in. it was difficult to hear what she was saying. you could hear her gargling due to blood in her throat. dennis murphy (voiceover): and it sounded as though she wasn't the only victim. okay. >> is there anybody. >> in the house. >> in the house. >> with you besides dennis murphy (voiceover): two,

possibly three adults shot in a home in the middle of the night. dennis murphy (voiceover): and the female survivor had no idea if the assailant was still in the house. we weren't sure if it was a home invasion. we weren't sure if it was an accidental discharge of a firearm. dennis murphy (voiceover): sergeant dingeldein and other deputies were already racing to the location, a one-story ranch house in a heavily wooded area outside town. there was little to no light outside. it was actually pitch black. our weapons were already drawn. we weren't sure if the suspect was in the area, still in the woods. when we approached the door, we could hear the sound of a female moaning in what appeared to be pain. dennis murphy (voiceover): they could hear her, but were delayed in finding her because something stopped them in their tracks as they entered the kitchen. there's an overwhelming smell of gasoline emanating from the house. it was extremely noxious. it was hard to breathe.

the deputy in front of me, deputy hill, slipped on the gasoline, and i had to catch him to prevent him from falling. dennis murphy (voiceover): why hadn't the gasoline been torched? was someone trying to lure the cops inside before striking a match? it felt like an ambush. dennis murphy (voiceover): they finally located the woman slumped on the kitchen floor behind a table. the woman, linda, was still holding her cell phone. the distress call was genuine. and her injuries were grave. and she had some sort of fabric, a t-shirt or a towel, on her throat, and it was soaked in blood. i asked her to remove the cloth from her throat so i can get a visual of her injuries. the entire area of her neck here was missing. as she swallowed, you could see her throat moving. dennis murphy (voiceover): one victim accounted for, where were the others? she didn't know if anyone else was still in the residence. and she didn't know if her son and her husband were still alive. dennis murphy (voiceover): with guns drawn, deputies continued clearing the residence. and the information they yelled back down the hall was as bad as it could get.

linda's son carey shot dead in one bedroom. carey heidt was in the bed, still under the covers. he had an obvious gunshot wound to the face. dennis murphy (voiceover): and linda's husband, philip, shot dead in their bedroom. he had pulled a sheet above his face in a defensive stance. there was a gunshot wound through the sheet. dennis murphy (voiceover): an explosion of horror, three people gunned down, two fatally, on a quiet road in a quiet georgia town. and now linda, the lone survivor, was en route to the hospital in grave condition. what had happened in the dark hours of a monday morning in that modest house? peeling back the layers of the mystery would take years and would leave a family torn apart and a community devastated. but to begin to comprehend what happened, you have to roll back the clock, back to 2008, to a town called springfield and a family named the heidts. if i were to ask you what the heidt family was like in, say, 2007, what would you say?

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mr. hickman: philip was a guy that loved people. he was a guy that people loved him. mr. hickman: he just always made people feel good. he always made you feel like you were special. murphy: when he wasn't putting in long hours at the office or serving as president of this board or director of that bank, he took pure delight in raising his beloved hereford cattle on his land that went back for generations, the property on rural springfield egypt road. but above all, philip heidt liked to spend time with his family, linda, his wife of 40 years, and his three sons, craig, chris and carey. mr. hickman: the most important thing to him was his family. he wanted--he always wanted his family to be close to each other. mr. hickman: he always wanted his family to love each other. murphy: then came that horrific night in august 2008, when philip, carey and linda heidt were shot in the heidt home. only linda survived to call 911, but now she was in serious condition at the hospital.

unidentified woman #1: i could not believe it, because miss linda and mr. philip, they--they're real nice people. murphy: none of the locals wanted to think it had anything to do with the nearby people suspected of cooking meth and with whom they shared springfield egypt road. there had been some arrests a while back. residents felt helpless behind crime scene tape, including a cousin, mark arnsdorf. mr. mark arnsdorf: it was horrible. it was just a horrible day. murphy: down the road hundreds gathered for philip and carey heidts' funeral. cousin mark was a pallbearer for philip. mr. arnsdorf: it was a full house, you know, standing room. i think there was even people outside couldn't get in. that just shows how loved, how much people thought of the heidt family. murphy: double caskets. the tear streaked faces of mourners drawn taut with grief. no one wanted to send the father and son off like this. mr. neidlinger: it was terrible. mr. neidlinger: i lost a best friend and a person to talk to. murphy: james neidlinger had known carey

so well and for so long. mr. neidlinger: he basically was the person that was always worried about everybody else, i reckon. do anything for you. give you the shirt of his own back. murphy: carey was the baby in the family. there were two older brothers, chris and craig, though carey would be the one to follow his father into real estate. and like his father, carey shared a zest for work and a love of family. mr. neidlinger: busy all during the day, meetings at night... mr. neidlinger: ...running late, rushing home to give the kids baths. but he did look forward to that, going home and giving the kids baths. murphy: carey was proud of always being there for his three children and his wife, robin heidt, someone he'd known since high school. mr. neidlinger: the only real girlfriend, girlfriend... mr. neidlinger: ...he ever had was robin, that i'm aware of. murphy: in high school, robin had been voted class clown. and when the vivacious girl started dating the quiet, straight-laced carey, some didn't see the match, but it worked for them. they got married a year after graduation. mr. neidlinger: he loved her from day one.

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the modest red brick house where they'd raised three boys, was now a stomach-churning crime scene. philip heidt and his son carey dead, shotgunned at point blank range. linda in grave condition after taking buckshot to the face. crime scene techs began combing through the heidt place inch by inch. the team led by case agent eugene howard of the georgia bureau of investigation. murphy: was it obvious what had gone on there to you? mr. howard: after looking at the scene, it became obvious that the scene was staged. murphy: staged? mr. howard: yes. it was meant to look like a robber, however nothing was taken of note. there was money left... mr. howard: ...keys left. murphy: stuff that would have been easy to grab and get a little money, huh? mr. howard: yes, sir. nothing was disturbed other than the bodies found. murphy: and the csi team found something else, the way the intruder may have entered the home.

murphy: the point of entry you found to be where? they wanted you to believe was where? mr. howard: the garage door... ...had a pane glass inside of it, and that glass was broken and it was made... mr. howard: ...to look like someone had entered the residence through that door. murphy: it may have looked like the intruder's way in, but the curtain on the glass panes was undisturbed. it looked as though no one had pushed it aside to grab the door handle. there was a much simpler explanation for how the killer or killers had gotten in and out. they thought the family's outside key, the one they kept hidden, was missing from its usual place. mr. howard: and there was a key inside of the doorway. murphy: the key that was in the doorway... murphy: ...was probably the one that was kept outside. mr. howard: one would assume, yes. murphy: so you're looking at somebody that's got at least a pretty good working knowledge of that house. mr. howard: yes, sir. murphy: strange clues at a grim scene. in those early morning hours, nothing seemed to be adding up. murphy: you have no idea who the shooter is. sheriff mcduffie: right. murphy: if they're alone, if there's more than one.

sheriff mcduffie: correct. murphy: and the one heidt who might know was philip heidt's wife, linda, who had somehow survived the gunshot blast to her face. she was recovering, but it would be weeks before investigators could elicit her story. sgt. dingledein: her mouth was wired shut... sgt. dingledein: ...due to her injuries. i believe she had like some bone graft reconstructive surgeries... ...skin grafts. it took her a long, long time before she was able to talk to anybody. murphy: it fell to georgia bureau of investigation special agent john barry to ask the question. are there any cracks, any secrets in the esteemed heidt family? special agent john barry: and at that time we start what we call "victimology." mr. barry: and victimology is something that we look at these people's lives and try to determine what put them at an added risk to die this particular evening. murphy: he had to learn more about the patriarch philip heidt's business and household affairs. agent barry started by looking at the core of things, the immediate family. they'd be a prime source of information,

but something else, too. agent barry: part of the investigation is... agent barry: ...that everyone's a suspect at this point. murphy: barry began his interviews that morning after the heidt murders, sitting around the kitchen table at the home of the middle son, chris heidt. chris told the detective that he'd been home with his wife the previous night. she was questioned, and the middle son's story checked out. by then the crime scene analyst believed the murder weapon was a 12-gauge shotgun. agent barry searched chris heidt's home looking for a firearm. agent barry: he had several guns there... agent barry: ...but nothing in my training and experience that would indicate any of them had been recently fired. murphy: next up for the detective the older brother, craig heidt. agent barry: craig stated that that particular evening... agent barry: ...he was watching television shows, hunting and fishing shows. murphy: he told the gbi man that he'd spent the night by himself at a place about a half-hour's drive away, a rustic hunting cabin owned by a friend. agent barry drove up to the cabin to search it, as well. agent barry: a search of the cabin resulted

in--we did not find any... agent barry: ...12-gauge shotguns. murphy: but investigators did find 12-gauge ammo in the back of craig's truck, three-inch magnum shotgun shells. agent barry: and its face value, it didn't tell me anything... agent barry: ...because craig heidt was identified as a... ...avid hunter and was known to turkey hunt. murphy: two days after the murders, the agents sat down again with craig heidt at the sheriff's office. agent barry: how's your momma doing? mr. craig heidt: she is doing wonderful. agent barry: she is? mr. craig heidt: wonderful. murphy: after the polite formalities, barry posed a difficult question. who would want craig's family dead? craig offered this clue. mr. craig heidt: the only thing that my father and carey has remotely said anything to me about anything is finances. murphy: craig may have been referring to the fact that his father philip and brother carey, like so many others, had recently been sweating the plunge of value in the 2008

real estate market. murphy: investigators would learn that the father-son team of philip and carey ran a business worth millions, but they were heavily invested. land rich, maybe cash poor. had something gone dangerously downhill in philip heidt's empire? there were a dozen complicated partnerships to examine. sheriff mcduffie: once this happened there were numerous rumors about who did it and did the mafia come do it, was it a professional hit, did somebody locally do it. murphy: and he was a player. he had a lot of interests. there's out-of-state money. sheriff mcduffie: they did. murphy: and it's not unreasonable for investigators to say, did it--did the deal go south here?' sheriff mcduffie: exactly. was this a bad deal that somebody got mad about and was going to retaliate for? murphy: and craig heidt had perhaps another clue to offer detectives. he'd been out to the family property after the shootings and said he noticed some of his things missing in a shed out back, including a 12-gauge firearm. mr. craig heidt: the 12-gauge is not there.

i have one pair of snakebite boots that are not there. murphy: could the assailant have stolen those items to commit the crime? but there was something else gbi agents were starting to get wind of, ripe rumors around town of a possible skeleton in the heidt family closet. investigators knew it could be nothing or something. but they'd have to run down the scuttlebutt before they could move on to other leads. if only one family member would be more candid with them. after all, the rumors were about him. agent barry: have you been totally honest with me throughout this whole investigation? mr. craig heidt: yes, sir. agent barry: about everything? mr. craig heidt: yes, sir. dennis murphy: coming up... ms. williams: maybe if i'd of went in april... ms. williams: ... to miss linda and mr. philip and carey and said, look, this is what's going on. y'all need to do something now.' maybe it wouldn't have went to the limit. dennis murphy: someone had been keeping a secret and it was about to come out

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shot to death while sleeping. philip's wife, linda, was injured but recovering. a deadly spree that had investigators working around the clock. while some detectives were interviewing the surviving next of kin in the heidt family, others contacted the family's friends and associates, including the oldest son craig's one-time live-in companion, a woman named tina williams. ms. williams: i got a call from, you know, the sheriff's department saying that they needed to talk to me. murphy: detectives were intrigued right away by the girlfriend's sense of remorse. ms. williams: maybe if i'd of went in april... ms. williams: ...to miss linda and mr. philip and carey and said, look, this is what's going on. y'all need to do something now,' maybe it wouldn't have went to the limit. murphy: what could she be talking about, this story she hadn't told? ms. williams: i wish to this day that i had. ms. williams: maybe they would still be here. murphy: tina didn't know anything about philip heidt's financial pressures or about a missing gun from the heidt

property, but she did know something about bottled-up secrets. some people would later call it scandalous what had happened behind the heidts' closed doors. she began her story with only good things to say about the parents, people she'd known for several years. ms. williams: miss linda and mr. philip were very nice people... ms. williams: ...were very caring people. murphy: she met their son craig at the veterinarian's office where she worked back in late 2003. they chatted about his hunting dogs, and she was struck by how well mannered he was. ms. williams: very nice guy. ms. williams: very polite. very polite. just did the "yes, ma'am," "no, ma'am," "thank you for helping me," that kind of person. murphy: craig and tina began going out. and when craig went on disability after hurting his back at work, he had plenty of free time to drive the hour from effingham county to the town where tina lived. he was there when she needed him, she recalls, and came to lean on him for support, because at 42 years of age, tina

was battling breast cancer. ms. williams: if i had a treatment and i was very sick... ms. williams: ...he would be there with me, hold my hair if i was sick. he really was very supportive at that time. murphy: after nine months of dating, craig and tina started making wedding plans. ms. williams: we talked about who was going to stand up with us... ms. williams: ...and who we wanted to invited--to invite, and just had really set a date, and we really were serious about, you know, having a life together. murphy: but a month before the wedding date, she found out something disturbing, really disturbing. tina was on her way to a chemotherapy treatment when she got a phone call. on the other end of the line a woman's voice. ms. williams: she said... ms. williams: ...you're seeing my husband.' and i said, no, ma'am, i'm not. i'm not dating anybody's husband.' and she said, yes, you are.' and i said, well, tell me who your husband is.' ms. williams: and she said, craig heidt.' and i said, well, wait a minute.

i guess maybe i am.' murphy: whoops. a contrite craig heidt soon showed up on tina's doorstep, professing his love for her and saying that he'd foolishly hoped that he would get a divorce before she found out he had a wife and two kids back in effingham county. ms. williams: and i told him, i said, well, you need to go home, take care of your business.' ms. williams: get your divorce, stay with your wife, do whatever you're going to do.' murphy: craig left tina's house, and within a few months, he did get divorced. soon he and tina were back on course and he asked her to move up to effingham county. ms. williams: you won't have to work and i can take care of you, and, you know, i know your health's bad, and, you know, we can--we can have this life and things will be better.' murphy: but in fact, things were about to get a whole lot worse and not just for tina and craig. back in effingham, craig's younger brother carey was having his own relationship problems. carey told his friend james that his wife, robin, wanted a separation. mr. neidlinger: it hurt him. mr. neidlinger: he was tore up.

he had made the comment to me about that, you don't know how it feels to lay beside somebody in the bed that don't love you.' murphy: robin felt that carey was spending too much time at work. so good husband that he was, he tried cutting back his hours and went for counseling, anything he could do to make it work. mr. neidlinger: i mean, he would do what it took to keep the marriage together, especially for the kids. i mean, he wouldn't want to see his kids grow up like that. murphy: but just as much as the kids, he didn't want to lose the wife who was his first and only love, the light of his life. mr. neidlinger: and he still told me that day he loved robin. mr. neidlinger: mm-hmm. he loved her dearly. the last i heard he was still trying to make his marriage work. murphy: and while carey and his wife, robin, were trying to keep their banged up marriage together, carey's older brother craig and his girlfriend, tina, were going through pretty much the same thing. tina had moved in with craig, but then he

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within the heidt clan. there'd been a flurry of cell phone calls between the oldest heidt son, craig, and his now dead brother's wife, robin, in the months before the murders. and now detectives were being let in on a secret. close family and friends suspected more than mere idle chatter between brother and sister-in-law. they believed craig and robin may have been having an affair. agent barry: the information was relayed to us that there may be an inappropriate relationship between robin heidt and craig heidt, and in particular we wanted to explore this. murphy: gbi special agent john barry went back to craig heidt two days after the murders and questioned him in a taped interview. was he sleeping with his brother's wife, robin? agent barry: craig, have you been totally honest with me throughout this whole investigation? mr. craig heidt: yes, sir. agent barry: about everything? mr. craig heidt: yes, sir. i've tried to be. i have, i mean, you know, i've been mind-boggled. agent barry: mm-hmm. mr. craig heidt: but what do you think

i've been dishonest about? agent barry: well, for one, i think you've been dishonest about your relationship with robin, it being a sexual relationship. mr. craig heidt: no, sir. murphy: craig insisted there was nothing going on between them. mr. craig heidt: i know that it looks bad, but i'm going to tell you something. i couldn't do that to my brother. i could not do that to my brother. murphy: but agent barry knew something craig didn't: robin heidt had already spilled to the illicit relationship with her brother-in-law. the agent confronted craig. agent barry: what if i said robin said she was having sex with you? mr. craig heidt: no, sir. agent barry: is she imagining this? mr. craig heidt: that's not true, sir. i'm being truthful with you. agent barry: then somebody's not being truthful with me. mr. craig heidt: i am being truthful with you. murphy: the agent wasn't satisfied with the answers he was getting from craig heidt, and he still had an unsolved murder on his hands. agent barry tried a new tack. tell craig that detectives were homing in on robin as their prime suspect and killer.

agent barry: if she loves you, wouldn't it be easier for her to just kill carey and then you and her can be together forever? mr. craig heidt: there is no way robin had anything to do with this. i swear to you on my momma's life, she has never said anything like that. never. murphy: but craig had strong words for whomever did kill his family. agent barry: what do you want me to do... mr. craig heidt: i want you to... agent barry: ...when we catch this person? mr. craig heidt: i want you to put them away. agent barry: put them away? mr. craig heidt: yes, sir. i... agent barry: that's your--that's your wishes? mr. craig heidt: yes, sir, from the bottom of my heart. put them away. agent barry: even if it's robin? mr. craig heidt: even if it's robin. murphy: telling craig that robin was a lead suspect was actually a fakeout. in fact, authorities were zeroing in on craig, not robin, due to his inconsistent statements. and while in the interview craig hadn't fallen for the rouse and confessed to the crimes

in order to protect his lover, the gbi investigators still believed something wasn't right about the oldest son's story. they kept craig on their radar. agent barry: we are keeping tabs on craig at this time. agent barry: and he began to... ...live with robin at her residence, drive his brother's truck. murphy: detectives quietly continued their investigation, running down tip-line leads, following the money trail of philip and carey heidt's business. jittery residents, meanwhile, worried the case would never be solved. but nine months after that deadly break-in at the heidt home on springfield egypt road, authorities finally made their move. sheriff mcduffie: approximately 8:45 this morning, philip craig heidt, 41, of springfield, was arrested. murphy: craig heidt was arrested and charged with the murder of his father and brother and and the aggravated battery of his mother. relatives were naturally shocked and distraught. a son and a brother. craig heidt's cousin mark arnsdorf

couldn't make head nor tails of the accusation, and says craig himself seemed as flabbergasted as everyone else. mr. arnsdorf: i went to see craig in jail. mr. arnsdorf: i said, craig, i never would have thought we'd be talking like this through a glass.' and he said, mark, i would not have either.' craig was really scared. he said, mark, when they pulled me over and they arrested me,' he said, you could have knocked me over with a feather.' he was so shocked. murphy: mark says to know craig is to love him and to know that he couldn't have done this. mr. arnsdorf: you'd love him. he was like a daddy. mr. arnsdorf: when he'd come into a room, he'd speak to you, make a point to speak to you, smile while he was shaking your hand. murphy: mark and craig grew up like brothers. mr. arnsdorf: growing up, if he wasn't at my house spending a night or weekends... mr. arnsdorf: ...i was at his house on weekends. just always together. murphy: mark says, just like the rest of the heidts, craig was raised to be an active, involved citizen. mr. arnsdorf: we farmed, dreamed about farming together. murphy: as teens mark and craig held positions in their future farmers of america chapter.

they were involved in their local church. and in school, he says, craig was never some wacky loner. mr. arnsdorf: craig has a tremendous amount of friends. mr. arnsdorf: he was very popular in school. everybody loved him. murphy: and above all, mark says, craig was close to the family authorities now believed he'd ruthlessly killed. so maybe craig wasn't cut out for the family business like his brothers, but nonetheless he still made his father proud. mr. arnsdorf: craig was always working. mr. arnsdorf: i never remember him not working. murphy: when we spoke, mark said he vividly remembered seeing craig for the first time after the horrible murders and insisted craig's reaction was that of an innocent man. mr. arnsdorf: craig come straight to me and hugged me and, of course, held each other and cried. mr. arnsdorf: it was horrible to see the hurt. it was killing him. you could see the hurt in the eyes. murphy: and for mark, there was not a shred of doubt that craig's emotions that day were the real deal. mr. arnsdorf: that's as genuine as it gets.

i'm tearing up. murphy: mark believed authorities felt pressure to make an arrest and so they targeted the easiest person in their midst, namely the one heidt relative with a hefty blot on his reputation, the one who was rumored to be having sex with his sister-in-law. mr. arnsdorf: oh, it definitely hurt craig. mr. arnsdorf: he made some bad decisions. we've all done that. but that does not make him a murderer. murphy: but investigators were talking evidence and timeline. just look, they'd tell you, at what craig was doing on the day he was arrested. it was may 2009, the last day of school before summer vacation in effingham county. when police pulled craig heidt over to arrest him, he was driving his dead brother's white truck. he had his brother's children's id cards in his wallet. the truck was full of craig's belongings. and when school got out, craig and his brother's wife and kids were all going to move to south carolina.

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and he came to our house. dennis murphy (voiceover): they'd all gone to bed, but linda had recently become absorbed with puzzles called word find books. she was doing one in the bathroom off the bedroom so as not to disturb her sleeping husband when she was startled by a sound. linda heidt: and i heard a very loud noise or blast. so i went out and went in the bedroom and i said, philip. and when i said that, i saw a blast when philip was shot. and then i saw the blast as i was shot. and i must have blacked out. i remember waking up. and i was laying on the floor, and i saw my teeth laying on the floor. and i must've blacked out again. and i woke up, praying. i said, god, if we're going to do this, i need your strength because i have none of my own. dennis murphy (voiceover): linda tried to call for help on the bedroom phone, but the line was dead. by now, she was bleeding profusely. she grabbed a piece of clothing and held it to her face.

she doesn't know how she made it to the kitchen, but she was able to get her cell phone out of her purse to dial 911. linda heidt: officers came in. i think there was about three deputies. and they were shining their flashlights, you know, and said, ma'am, put down the weapon. but i was just sitting there, holding my cell phone. and one of the officers went back to the bedroom, and he said there's two back here dead. and pretty well after that, i don't remember anything until about four weeks later. dennis murphy (voiceover): what, if anything, could she tell authorities about her assailant? do you remember giving a description of the person that you saw shoot philip and yourself? linda heidt: a slender man. you weren't able to get any better description than that

or see any more detail than that? linda heidt: no. dennis murphy (voiceover): linda's son, craig, hardly looked slender in court, but the state said if you put all the pieces of that odd crime scene together, the shadowy figure linda heidt saw in the bedroom that night had to have been craig. first, a crime scene analyst concluded only one assailant had entered the home. i see no evidence in this house of multiple shooters. one person taking three shots is what i see. dennis murphy (voiceover): and the analysts said the crime scene didn't look like a robbery gone wrong. jurors were shown the jewelry and cash left in plain sight. the key, the undisturbed curtain on the door-- signs, said the lead case agent, that the scene was staged to deflect attention away from the intruder's real motive. it was clear cut design to break in, enter a residence, and kill every soul in the residence. dennis murphy (voiceover): what's more, the only things that were supposedly missing from the residence all belonged to craig-- his boots, his coveralls, and his 12

gauge shotgun, the ammunition likely used in the attack. it was of a kind that craig's missing shotgun could take, and it was the same kind of ammo that was found in craig's truck. michael muldrew prosecuted the case. when they found the shotgun shells-- live ammo. three live ammo shells, double buckshot, 3 inch shells. winchester. winchester. dennis murphy (voiceover): and yet, the question remained, what would make craig heidt even consider putting a shotgun to his family? what could have driven him? the state would call to the stand craig's sister-in-law, robin heidt. for the first time, she would reveal the full story behind what until now had only been rich grist for the effingham county rumor mill. state your name for the record, please. robin rast heidt. dennis murphy (voiceover): all eyes were glued to the witness box the day robin heidt took the stand. jurors had already heard from the prosecutor about an inappropriate relationship between craig and robin.

and now they were going to hear from robin herself about what exactly had been going on in the heidt family behind closed doors and between brother and sister by marriage. michael muldrew: are you married? no, sir, i'm widowed. michael muldrew: and who were you married to? i was married to carey heidt. michael muldrew: how long were you married? 13 years. dennis murphy (voiceover): robin told the jurors about her life with carey. we had a very good, very prosperous living. yes, sir. michael muldrew: you ever lack for anything? no. michael muldrew: was he always able to provide you anything you needed? he was. michael muldrew: what kind of husband was he? he was a very good husband. dennis murphy (voiceover): and how carey was good with their three children as well. robin heidt: he was the best father. he was a wonderful father. dennis murphy (voiceover): but then she explained that in 2008, things got rocky between her and her husband. and he spent a lot of time at work, a lot less time at home. he became very distant with me. i wasn't really sure why. i didn't realize that the real estate business was not going

as well as it had been going. i knew there were some problems, but there was a lot of problems, and he didn't discuss them with me. so we became pretty distant as far as our marriage relationship. dennis murphy (voiceover): the strain in their union was enough to cause robin to stray from carey, and in a shocking way. yes, in april of 2008, i engaged in a relationship with his older brother, craig. dennis murphy (voiceover): coming up. michael muldrew: how did he find out in may about the affair? robin heidt: i told him. michael muldrew: how did he react when you told him? he was upset. he said if i was going to have an affair, he wished it would have been with anybody else except his brother. dennis murphy (voiceover): details of the affair laid bare. was that a motive for murder? when "dateline" continues.

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williams. ms. r. heidt: how many times were we intimate? probably about 20 times. murphy: a few weeks into the affair, robin says she told her husband, carey, what was going on. mr. muldrew: how did he find out in may about the affair? ms. r. heidt: i told him. mr. muldrew: how did he act when you told him? ms. r. heidt: he was upset. he was very upset. and he said that if i was--if i was going to have an affair, he wished it would have been with anybody else except his brother. he was very upset about it being his brother. murphy: and the prosecution asked robin what did she see in her brother-in-law. robin already had carey, who by all accounts was a devoted husband, doting father and solid provider. why would she step out on him with craig, who the state portrayed as someone who didn't seem to want much out of life except time to hunt, craig who was out of work on disability and was squatting at a friend's hunting cabin? mr. muldrew: how did you think your life was

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murphy: a man as proud as he was private, philip heidt would only open up about his troubles to his most trusted associates, and the problem he had on his hands in late august 2008 was a doozy. mr. kieffer: the friday before his death that--while we were going to our meeting, he says, sometimes i think i'll just jump off the talmadge bridge. and i said, philip,' i says, it ain't that bad. murphy: harvey kieffer thought philip was referring to the unnerving downturn in the 2008 real estate market. but, no. philip said his problem stemmed from turmoil within his family. and now philip was gone, and his son craig was on trial for shooting to death both him and his brother and wounding his mother. murphy: the prosecutor would tell the jury not just the story of a taboo relationship between a man and his brother's wife but also about an emotionally complicated situation involving a black sheep son and a headstrong father who was just dead

set against that affair. in court, jurors heard how philip heidt learned of the affair between his son and daughter-in-law a few months before his death, a revelation that, friends said, bored into his very soul. mr. hickman: he was very mad, very upset. he just could not stand the idea of his family being torn apart. this marital affair was just driving him up the wall. murphy: philip simply could not let this affair run its course, his friends said, because, more than real estate, philip heidt lived for his family and its good name. it meant everything to him to keep all the heidts living in harmony, working hard to preserve the heidt ancestral land for future generations. but when philip confronted his son craig about the affair, craig had a surprising response, according to his mother. mr. muldrew: what did craig say about the affair? ms. l. heidt: that if he wanted robin, he would have robin. mr. muldrew: and what was his attitude at the time with regards to that? ms. l. heidt: he was kind of arrogant.

mr. muldrew: he told his mama a few weeks before that, if i want her i'll have her.' i can't even imagine you having a conversation like that with your mother anyway. i mean, how you going to have thanksgiving dinner... murphy: for instance. mr. muldrew: ...with these dynamics? you can't. so he knew that mom and daddy would never accept it. murphy: the bad blood between craig and his family members quickly worsened, according to the prosecution. jurors heard about a heated argument craig and his brother carey had gotten into outside a sonic burger restaurant. and craig didn't seem to care who knew that things were toxic inside the heidt family. real estate agent christy campo: ms. campo: he said they did not get along, that he was the black sheep in the family, and he wouldn't piss on them if he--they were on fire. murphy: robin said craig echoed the same sentiment to her. ms. r. heidt: craig said that if his father was

on fire that he would not urinate on his father to put him out. murphy: father and son, brother and brother, husband and wife, all squared off in their corners. the story being told in the court was of the heidt family destroying itself. a match had been lit, as the prosecutor told it; and come late august, an explosion was about to go off. robin told the jurors about a driveway altercation a week or two before the shootings between her and her father-in-law, an argument that became physical. ms. r. heidt: philip said, you know, look around you. these are things that craig cannot give you. these are things that only carey can give you.' and he said, you don't understand how craig is. he has issues that you don't understand.' and that upset me. i said, i'm leaving. i'm getting in the car and i'm leaving.' so i got in my suburban, and the window was rolled down. and i went to crank my car, and mr. philip reached in and snatched my keys and pushed my arm out of the way. murphy: robin says she told craig about the incident with his father.

the state theorized that it was about then that the tensions in the family became unbearable. a family friend named loretta brower recalled that carey told her about a fight between the two brothers that turned ugly. ms. loretta brower: mr. craig come to the house. me and my daddy was setting in the den. then craig walks in with a gun. ms. brower: and he just threatened to shoot carey. and his daddy grabbed the gun, took the gun right--wrestled the gun and took the gun away. murphy: jurors saw photos of damage to the house said to be caused by that fight between brothers: a broken lamp, a scraped wall, damaged furniture. and in court, loretta brower testified about what else she said carey told her, that during that fight philip, the father, had given craig an ultimatum. ms. brower: if you don't leave robin alone, i'm going to cut you out of the will.' murphy: and in fact, philip heidt's accountant testified that he and philip did discuss taking craig out of his will, and philip's son carey had already

taken his wife's name off a $3 million insurance trust that he'd set up for his children. it's not exactly clear what craig or robin did or didn't know about the estate papers, but then prosecutor michael muldrew said financial concerns were definitely on craig's mind. murphy: money is not a small factor here. mr. muldrew: think money is a large factor, and he knew he had to provide for carey's wife like carey had been providing. the only way he was ever going to get any financial means to live the life that he wanted to live with robin was through an inheritance, and he's got enough sense to know the only way he's going to inherit anything if both parents are dead. murphy: jurors also heard realtor christy campo's story of craig asking her to show him some property. ms. campo: i showed him the house. he said he was going to purchase some more horses to start training them. so he was asking how much more land he could buy with the house. murphy: the state suggested craig's house

hunting showed premeditation. he never did own any timberland he could sell off, as he told the realtor, so other than killing his family for the inheritance, how else would he get the money to close the deal on the new house and move in with robin? the prosecutor asked her just that. mr. muldrew: did he, to your knowledge, have any means to go buy a quarter million dollar piece of property for y'all to live on? ms. r. heidt: no, i don't think so. mr. muldrew: so where was he going to get the money for y'all to go move off together? ms. r. heidt: i couldn't answer that. he would have to. mr. muldrew: did you have the money yourself? ms. r. heidt: not myself, no. murphy: then came that day in late august, the weekend before the murders on early monday morning. the countdown to a double homicide was about to begin, as the prosecutors saw it. that friday night robin had been with craig at the hunting cabin. ms. r. heidt: that night while i was there, he made the comment that if carey and philip weren't careful that he would

play old school on them. mr. muldrew: did you understood what he meant by that? ms. r. heidt: i did not. murphy: the next morning, saturday, an odd thing happened at the cabin. craig and robin noticed a low-flying helicopter that looked as though it was spying on them. robin asked her husband about it later that day. ms. r. heidt: carey told me that i needed to remember that he had friends in high places and he pointed up at the sky. and that's when he told me--he didn't actually come out and tell me about the helicopter. i said, i knew that that was you.' murphy: in fact, philip and carey had asked a friend with a helicopter to see if robin's suv was at the cabin, and if so to take some photographs. he did locate her white suburban parked next to craig's black truck. robin testified about craig's reaction to the chopper surveillance. ms. r. heidt: he had a very, very angry look on his face. mr. muldrew: ever seen him that mad before? ms. r. heidt: no. murphy: that surveillance by the friend who put the helicopter up, taking pictures of the cars, did that light the fuse here, do you think?

mr. muldrew: the fuse was burning, and that just helped it burn faster. you have to remember that the opportunity didn't arise until that sunday night when robin informed craig that carey was going to be over there. murphy: that sunday, carey took the children to church. when they got home, robin made them lunch, and then she and carey got into what would be one final argument. ms. r. heidt: he was very upset because he had proof that i had spent the night with craig on friday night, so he said that he felt like it was best if he had, since he was so angry and upset, that he would stay with his mother and father that night. so he packed his things and left around 4. murphy: it would be the first time carey would stay over at his parents' house in 13 years. robin says she called craig and told him that carey had left and where he was heading. she says she spoke to craig on the phone one

last time before going to sleep. but later that night, craig did make one more phone call, to his old girlfriend, tina williams. ms. williams: i'm sorry for ruining your life. i'm sorry i can't help you financially. i'm sorry for involving you in my life and in my drama.' and i'm thinking, ok.' ms. williams: and i thought it was, you know, kind of strange. murphy: tina says she got the eerie sense that craig was fixing to do something but she couldn't tell what. that's why she'd wonder with regret later whether she could have prevented what was about to happen to the heidts in the next few hours. should she have told philip and miss linda early on about the disastrous affair? if they'd nipped it in the bud, would maybe the murders never have taken place? murphy: for the next seven hours or so, what happens, as you see it? mr. muldrew: i think his rage was still building up, and he knew that if he was ever going to do something, now was the time. and he had all the people that stood between him

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and robin heidt, wife of carey heidt, heard a loud knock at the door. it was two officers and a chaplain who told her that her husband, carey, and his parents had been shot. ms. r. heidt: i said, how was carey killed?' and they said that he was shot in the head. murphy: the news left her numb. she told the jury she couldn't breathe. a few hours later, craig called. ms. r. heidt: and he was crying really hard. and he said he couldn't believe what had happened. and i said, are you ok?' and he said, no.' and i said, craig, did you have anything to do with this?' and he said, no!' murphy: she confronted him again when they were all gathered at his brother chris' house. ms. r. heidt: i saw craig there. and i went over to him and i said, you know, i want you to look at me and tell me if you've done this or not.'

and he said, no.' murphy: robin says she saw craig at the funeral, and within a week, he asked her if they'd be together again. ms. r. heidt: he asked me if our relationship was going to remain how it had been, and i told him that i wasn't sure at that time. murphy: in those tumultuous early days, the two kept it cool. and so did the detectives who'd come across what they considered a huge clue, the significance of which they would keep quiet about for months. it was a breakthrough that followed a simple "if" question. if craig had fired a shotgun that night, would he have some telltale bruises from the recoil of the weapon? agent howard asked craig if he could take a look. mr. howard: i asked him did he mind taking his shirt off so i could see his shoulder. he said yes, he complied, and i was able to see two distinct bruises on his upper bicep, in this area. murphy: but it wasn't just the fact that craig had bruises where you'd expect that surprised investigators.

they said he already had a story to account for them. mr. howard: craig started to explain away, before he even took his shirt off, that, i fell yesterday.' as an investigator, hairs on the back of my neck stood up. murphy: the bruises, a sizable area on the right bicep and a smaller one on the left, were photographed. mr. craig heidt: i stepped out of this tub like this right here. murphy: and a few weeks later, craig was asked to explain that bathroom fall at his brother's house where he said it occurred. looking noticeably more slender on tape than he did sitting in court, craig described how he slipped getting out of the shower. mr. craig heidt: i stepped out like this and my right foot came out. i fell like that right there and landed on the commode like that right there. when i landed, i kind of landed, you know, like hugging like that--this right here... mr. howard: ok. mr. craig heidt: ...type thing. murphy: he said he hit the toilet so hard that it shifted. mr. howard: and how did you... mr. craig heidt: i'm trying to keep my head from busting

this up and cutting my head. you know what i mean? it just all happened so fast that's just how i wound up. murphy: the state's medical examiner took the stand and said craig's bruises looked to him a lot more like the kick from a shotgun than they did the injuries from a fall. and what's more, while craig said he fell just the day before these photos were taken, the medical examiner said the bruises didn't look fresh. unidentified man #4: (they had to be at least about three days old because of the gold coloration. in order for the human body to get that gold color with a bruise, it takes at least three days. murphy: in their larger theory of the crime, the one involving the old testament lusts, the prosecutors argued that craig pulled that trigger three times so he could have it all: robin, the money to be with her, and the freedom from his parents' disapproval. and they said he thought he was getting away with it, at least for a while. ms. r. heidt: he needed me for support, and i was there for him, and i needed him for support. so we had each other. murphy: a few weeks after the funerals,

robin and craig visited the cemetery together to throw away the dead flowers on philip and carey's graves. by christmas, they were back together as a couple. and in january, craig moved in, taking carey's old side of the marital bed. he started taking his brother's children on outings with robin; but, looking back, the sister-in-law said it just didn't feel right. ms. r. heidt: we did look like a family. we were acting like everything was fine. and it was wrong. murphy: robin says she would try to end it, and craig would talk her out of it. the two even started planning a wedding. robin tried on a dress at this local boutique, and they bought these rings. ms. r. heidt: we went and looked at rings one time. and when we went to look at them, they were on sale, so we went ahead and purchased the rings. mr. muldrew: who paid for them? ms. r. heidt: i did. murphy: and when craig needed an attorney, it was robin who ponied up $60,000 for legal counsel, money she says she got from the insurance

payout following her husband carey's death. ms. r. heidt: i offered to pay for it. at that time i believed in craig and i wanted him to have good representation. mr. muldrew: do you regret having paid that much? ms. r. heidt: yes, i do. murphy: even after craig's arrest, robin said they tried to keep the relationship going, jailhouse visits, correspondence. ms. r. heidt: we wrote letters back and forth. mr. muldrew: and where are those letters today? ms. r. heidt: i don't have those letters anymore. mr. muldrew: what'd you do with them? ms. r. heidt: i burned them. murphy: but the jury had only heard half a case. the defense was about to say, hang on. look at the prosecutor's case very carefully and you won't find a shred of hard evidence tying craig to that awful crime.' mr. dow bonds: no dna linking him, no blood. dennis murphy: coming upfamily members come to craig heidt's defense.

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of gunning down his father, brother and mother, two of them fatally, because, the state had argued, craig wanted both his brother's wife and his brother's life. craig's defense attorney was about to present his case. craig's relatives--uncles, aunts, cousins--had been listening for five days to the prosecution's arguments against one of their own. and word was at least some of the extended heidt clan didn't know exactly where they stood. murphy: sheriff, it wasn't so clear as to where to put the family. they were divided in what they believed had happened in that house and whether craig was, in fact, the killer. sheriff mcduffie: i don't think they knew where to sit. you know, here's my nephew, here's my brother, here's my cousin, here's my son.' murphy: maybe you can persuade me of the evidence, mr. prosecutor, but there's still this whole, he's my blood, he's my kin.' sheriff mcduffie: that's right. murphy: but the jurors would hear from craig's closest of kin, his mother, linda, and brother chris. linda again asked not to be shown on camera, but told the jurors she had no reason

to think craig had anything to do with the shootings. mr. bonds: did you--in a position to judge his general demeanor towards you? ms. l. heidt: yes. mr. bonds: and how would you describe that? ms. l. heidt: worried about me, as protective as he could be, and his love towards me. mr. bonds: has he said anything to you during those meetings or in your time with him to give you any reason after this happened that he was involved? ms. l. heidt: no. murphy: if a mother's love wasn't enough to convince the jury of craig heidt's innocence, jurors also heard from craig's surviving brother, the middle heidt son, chris. his testimony would call into question the prosecution's story of a ne'er-do-well son and a combustible family dynamic that erupted. chris told the jury that, over the years, there was no history of bad blood between craig and their parents. mr. chris heidt: i wouldn't say anyone was specifically a black sheep of the family. we all had our own interests.

murphy: and chris heidt explained that while the affair between craig and robin had caused friction in the family, craig and his father philip's relationship was far from over. mr. chris heidt: there was a little tension due to what was going on in our family, and my dad was upset with that situation, but, no, there was no--their relationship was still close, to my knowledge. murphy: and what of that violent tussle over a gun that supposedly broke out between craig and his brother carey close to the time of the murders? chris now cast doubt about whether the fight had even happened at all. mr. bonds: did he ever tell you about any type of confrontation in the family home where guns were pulled and that--where your father allegedly wrestled a gun away from somebody? mr. chris heidt: no. mr. bonds: did he ever tell you about that? mr. chris heidt: no, sir. murphy: chris said his mother never told him about any fight either, and that the damage to his parents' home, supposedly caused be the scuffle, was really

just normal wear and tear. mr. chris heidt: the house was almost 40 years old, 39 years old at that time. but--and three boys grew up in it as well as seven grandchildren. murphy: next, chris explained that as early as that first morning of that crime, he got the sense that authorities were targeting craig. for instance, when detectives searched the hunting cabin where craig was staying. mr. chris heidt: when they came out, they actually had just bags of clothes and shoes, and think they'd taken the shoes that he was wearing. so at that point, i probably started feeling that they were focusing on him very heavily. murphy: and when chris later spoke with detectives, he says his hunch was confirmed. mr. chris heidt: they were basically trying to convince me that craig did it. murphy: and the defense said if you want proof that authorities had blinders on about craig heidt from day one, just look at all the stones they didn't overturn when it came to other heidt family members. unidentified man #5: at the time

i did attempt to get carey heidt's phone records, but did not receive them from the phone company. mr. bonds: what about chris heidt? man #5: i did not get chris heidt's phone records. mr. bonds: what about alan heidt? man #5: i did not get alan heidt's phone records. mr. bonds: did he did not ask you to lay all your guns out or identify all your weapons? mr. chris heidt: no, sir. no, sir. i did not go lay all my guns out and show them to anyone. murphy: bad enough to gloss over other heidt family members, suggested the defense, but truly disturbing were the very real, legitimate and possibly dangerous suspects outside the heidt clan that the defense said weren't properly investigated. the jurors would next hear about those potentially dropped leads. and the biggest problem of all in the state's case, according to the defense, the total lack of physical evidence tying craig heidt to the crime. mr. bonds: no hard, concrete evidence in this case, which is, i think, what we should demand. dennis murphy: coming up emotion in the courtroom.

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but perhaps not shocked. that tree-lined rural lane called springfield egypt road might look bucolic, but in fact it had seen its share of visits from law enforcement. unidentified man #7: we have a certain element in this neighborhood that a lot of things happen on this little road that surprises me. murphy: now on the stand for the defense in his brother craig's murder trial, chris heidt told the jury about the potentially dangerous elements who lived on his parents' road. mr. chris heidt: there had been a methamphetamine lab. they had actually went in and prosecuted this guy twice for having a methamphetamine lab there. murphy: chris said that before his father died, philip expressed concern that the man was getting out of prison. could philip and carey's deaths had had something to do with these country drug manufacturers? it was just as likely as the murders involving craig, the defense attorney argued. and, he said, it was just one of the many avenues pointing away from craig heidt that investigators chose not to go down. murphy: the defense attorney would argue in court that once the investigators learned about that affair

between craig and robin, they decided that they had their man; when, in fact, the defense would say, that the true killer may have been someone involved with philip heidt's real estate dealings, a business sector that had taken a swan dive. joanne reiser took the stand for the defense. she was philip heidt's longtime professional assistant. and her testimony suggested that if philip didn't tell her something, then it probably didn't happen. ms. joanne reiser: he told me so much sometimes i--you know how you want to stick your finger in your ear and go la-la-la-la? yeah. mr. bonds: too much information? ms. reiser: yeah. too much information, yeah. mr. bonds: ok. murphy: joanne said philip never told her either about a physical fight in his home between his sons craig and carey. and what's more, to hear joanne tell it, detectives may have overlooked the real powder keg about to explode in philip's life. ms. reiser: he had a lot of pressure on him businesswise. murphy: joanne described to the jury just how big and varied philip's impressive business holdings were, from his real estate investments...

ms. reiser: there was approximately 18 entities that philip was involved in. murphy: ...to his connections with cattle investors across georgia and beyond. ms. reiser: there was some in georgia, but, i mean, he had--he had kentucky. he had cows all over. murphy: now joanne reiser told the jury that by the summer of 2008, with the real estate bubble bursting, her boss stopped selling and the banks began calling. second and third demands for past due payments of 50 and $60,000. the defense suggested, had someone been on the short end of one of philip heidt's dealings, and for reasons of money or reasons of revenge, have wanted him and his family dead? there was evidence to suggest that, said the defense. ms. reiser: i know this one banker in particular that got pretty irate. murphy: joanne reiser told the jury about one strong-arm banker who, according to testimony, had rattled philip to his core. ms. reiser: he was real upset. i mean, when he came in, his fed--his face was real red.

i mean, he talked about it for a couple of days. i mean, that's how upset he was. murphy: and yet jurors now heard testimony about business records of philip and carey's that may never have been scrutinized by authorities. mr. bonds: did they ever ask you to provide any business documents in particular about all the entities and corporations that mr. heidt was involved in? ms. reiser: no, they did not. murphy: another witness, philip's accountant, had also testified about information left untouched by detectives. mr. hickman: he interviewed me, but i don't think i gave him any financial records. murphy: but if anyone in philip heidt's professional past was trying to make a statement by killing him and his family, the defense said, we may never know because of its next theme. the crime scene was mishandled by police on several key fronts. for one thing, the defense pointed to a list, which authorities had kept, showing who entered the crime scene, and asked the question, how could anyone trust a crime scene that was visited by 179 people?' mr. bonds: do you think it's a good thing or a not

so good thing to have 179 people in and out of a crime scene? mr. howard: i have to explain that this took place over weeks of time. murphy: but what about a potentially big lead that agent eugene howard and his team may not have run down completely? some tire tracks authorities believe were made by an emergency vehicle but which the defense argued weren't fully investigated. mr. bonds: but if it were hypothetically tire tracks, could you or could you not take photographs of them to determine the possibility of whether two vehicles were there? mr. howard: it's possible. murphy: even more intriguing was what looked like a bloody footprint near the door, seen in this crime scene photo. investigators said it likely wasn't the shooter's, but instead may have been made by a first responder to the scene. but at times it sounded as though the authorities didn't even remember the bloody print at all. man #1: now i don't specifically remember the shoe print. mr. bonds: were you aware of any photograph taken by gbi crime scene investigator

of a bloody footprint? mr. howard: i'm not aware of one. murphy: overlooked clues in the investigation may be one thing, said the defense lawyer, but the truest sign of craig heidt's innocence, he said, was this: in all the volumes of files, dozens of interviews and hundreds of man hours generated in this case, there was not a single piece of physical evidence tying craig heidt to the crime. mr. bonds: there's no footprints found, no fingerprints linking craig to these crimes, no surveillance video, no dna linking him, no blood, no hard concrete evidence in this case, which is, i think, what we should demand. murphy: the defense attorney chipped away at what he said the state had tried to pass off as physical evidence in the case. those shotgun shells found in craig heidt's truck, they may look like they link craig to the crime, but the defense said that type of ammo was so common that it's used by 40 percent of hunters. and what about those bruises on craig's arms,

which he supposedly got from the recoil of the weapon he used to shoot his family? the defense brought its own firearms expert to the stand, who put everything into question. mr. bonds: are you familiar with what shotguns do as far as bruises go? man #6: yes. it's difficult for me to put a full-size shotgun in a position to get the bruises that he has on his right arm. it's not a natural place to put the gun. it's unusual. murphy: not only that, the defense's expert turned on its head the state's theory of the sequence of the shootings. man #6: the son was shot first, but the mother was shot second, and philip was shot third. murphy: the defense expert also said that the shooter or shooters would likely have had a backspatter spray of blood on them, while none was found on craig or his clothes. lastly, the expert said there may have been more than one shooter who'd entered the bedroom that night. mr. bonds: then someone else could've been in another location and shot her from that backed up location you describe.

is that possible? man #6: that's possible. murphy: and in one final move before craig's defense attorney rested his case, craig's mother returned to the stand. linda heidt once again chose not to have her face shown on videotape, but you could hear her read a letter of love and reconciliation which craig's father, philip, wrote to craig but hadn't yet given to him. the letter was dated just a few weeks before philip's death and was some of the best evidence, said the defense, that the bond between father and son was as strong as ever and was never a motive for murder. ms. l. heidt: "son, i appreciate everything you do and have done. your mom and i love you. we are all going through difficult times. don't be distant and let life pass you by." murphy: the letter brought craig heidt to tears. but if everyone wondered if craig himself would speak, they soon had their answer. unidentified man #8: your name is craig heidt, correct? mr. craig heidt: yes, sir, philip craig heidt.

murphy: with the jurors removed from the courtroom, craig was asked whether he was satisfied with his defense counsel. mr. craig heidt: absolutely, 100 percent. murphy: but craig chose not to testify. in doing so, craig passed up the chance to tell the jurors his side of the story, but also the opportunity for prosecutor michael muldrew to ask some pointed questions. murphy: would you like to have cross examined craig on the stand? mr. muldrew: oh, that's one reason i became a prosecutor is to cross examine people like craig heidt. murphy: but now it was up to the jury to use what they did hear to decide craig heidt's fate. mr. jimmy white: you got to sleep at night once you make this decision. dennis murphy: coming updeep divisions, difficult deliberations. unidentified juror #1: i couldn't imagine him doing that out of just anger. i don't think he hated his family. dennis murphy: but reach a verdict they did. what would it be? dennis murphy: when dateline continues. murphy: day seven of craig heidt's murder trial. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone.

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the bottom line is, is they do not have any physical evidence that directly links this crime to craig heidt. dennis murphy (voiceover): craig heidt's attorney, dow bonds, reminded the jury just what was at stake. this is a court of law. this is not a time to take leaps of faith on another man's life here. dennis murphy (voiceover): and in a final dramatic courtroom moment, prosecutor michael muldrew reenacted what the state believed really happened in the heidt family home when the crimes occurred, starting from the moment they said craig heidt sneaked in the dead of night and aimed a shotgun at his sleeping brother. here, he opens his eyes, and he knows he's about to fire. it's off to the races. he then turns around, steps over to his daddy's. his dad is laying right there. second shot, boom, foot of the bed. but mama's not there. he drops the gun, and then he hears her voice, philip.

he flings it up, third shot. dennis murphy (voiceover): a vivid image with one last question to button up, according to the state-- the reason why craig didn't light the gasoline they said he'd poured all over the house. prosecutor muldrew said after the shootings, craig thought his mother was dead and was shocked to then hear her on the phone to 911. he goes and gets his match. and he's getting ready to light it when he hears mama's voice and he panics. dennis murphy (voiceover): now, finally, the eight women and four men who would decide craig heidt's fate had the case. it was very nerve wracking because you know this family's already been through this tragedy, and then this other person of their family is going to be possibly put away for life. dennis murphy (voiceover): first, they elected a foreperson, jimmy white. i said, all right, let's just take a vote. straw vote, huh? let's just see where we're at. dennis murphy: show of hands? show of hands. what'd you come up with?

4 to 8. dennis murphy: and what was the divide? mostly none, not guilty. not guilty. yeah, it was four guilty. - eight not guilty? - eight not guilty. dennis murphy (voiceover): it was a lot of ground to make up in one direction or the other. the biggest thing craig had going for him, thought the jury, the lack of physical evidence. what kept bringing me back was that smoking gun. it's the dna. it's the fingerprints. it's the murder weapon. where is it, huh? exactly. you know? i think that brought a lot of people back. like, this guy didn't do it. there's nothing that says, yeah, he did it. dennis murphy (voiceover): but in the absence of physical evidence, the jurors were left to ponder the less tangible aspects of the case, like just who was this person sitting before them? dennis murphy: what sense did you have of craig? he seemed like a nice guy. i couldn't imagine him doing that out of just anger. i don't think he hated his family. i don't think he hated his brother. dennis murphy (voiceover): and the jurors weren't sure that the affair alone between robin and craig was enough to push him to murder. sleeping with your brother's wife doesn't necessarily make you a killer. no, not at all. and we even talked about that in deliberation, you know?

just because you're a cheater, sleeping with your brother's wife, like you said. i don't think he was the pursuer in the relationship that he had with robin. i felt like she pursued him. she was the aggressor. yeah, and i think that robin gave him something to hold on to, something that was real in his mind. in your deliberations, did you talk about robin? oh, yes. yes. but she wasn't charged with anything. no, and that's what we found-- it wasn't before you, huh? we would get into a discussion, and then wait a minute. we'd start talking about it and then be like, you know what? she's not the one that's here on trial. let's go back to the focus of craig because he's the one that's here. dennis murphy (voiceover): the 12 jurors, who had started as a deeply divided group, were nearing consensus. but jimmy, the foreperson, urged each of them to stand their ground until they felt sure. if you've got a problem, bring it up, you know? we got all night. we come back tomorrow, you know? you got to sleep at night once you make this decision. dennis murphy (voiceover): but as night fell, the judge was given word the jury had reached a verdict in the double murder

trial of craig heidt. juror: as to count one, we, the jury, find the defendant, craig heidt, guilty. as to count two-- dennis murphy (voiceover): craig heidt guilty on all counts, convicted of murdering his father and brother and shooting his mother with intent to kill. i cried the whole time it was being read because i knew i was going to take another son away from linda, and that was really hard. did everybody get a good night's sleep after this? no. i don't think i slept good for about a week and a half, to be honest with you. - i did not. dennis murphy (voiceover): looking back, the jurors say it was the sum of all the things they heard and all the evidence they saw that got them to guilty. it wasn't any one specific piece of evidence. it was everything just kind of, all together, came to him. dennis murphy (voiceover): some among craig's friends and family, like craig's cousin, mark arnsdorf, vehemently disagreed with the jury's decision. if craig heidt came to me and said, mark, i did it, i wouldn't believe him, only because i know he didn't do it. that's how much i believed in him.

dennis murphy (voiceover): mark believed the real killer was still on the loose. there's no closure. there's still-- the murderer's still out there. so nobody feels any safer or any better at this point. dennis murphy (voiceover): and even the jurors feel there's a piece of the puzzle still missing. do you think it's the whole story? no. no. you think there are more people involved here, or-- i think there are more people-- dennis murphy: --more motivations or what? behind the curtain. i think there are more people that knew about it. dennis murphy: as you know very well, there are a great number of people in effingham county who are waiting for the other shoe to drop in this case. are they kidding themselves? well, i can tell you this. if there was anybody else involved with the murder of philip and carey heidt and the assault against linda heidt, craig heidt holds the key to their jail cell. dennis murphy (voiceover): it's been years since the terrible events on springfield egypt road. linda, the matriarch, made a remarkable recovery,

inspiring so many with her grace and grit. linda is the strongest person, incredible person. i could not-- i didn't know she had that much in her to be that strong. i think philip would have really been proud of linda. i think he would have been happy with her. dennis murphy (voiceover): of course, philip is gone now. carey, too. and craig is locked away, two life sentences plus another 85 years. effingham county had never seen the likes of what happened to the heidts and hopes never to again. i'm arod covlining, andcalls 911 and says." that his wife appears dead. he said that anna found her in the bathtub.