huge film, right? and it just seemed to me it would be hilarious if this guy could get on land. >> this shark. >> can be a land shark. and i just loved doing that voice and the whole concept of it. and so lorne had that huge shark made for me to put my head in, and it was so much fun to, you know, i that's how it began. everybody knew when they heard that, right, they'd know it was going to be land shark. >> right. >> and that's it for this weekend. thanks for spending part of your sunday with us. we're back tomorrow, bright and early 6 a.m. eastern for a new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of your day. >> good morning. >> it is sunday. >> february 16th. >> i'm alicia menendez with symone sanders townsend and michael steele.

>> here in. >> washington, d.c. today. >> top trump. >> officials look. >> to. >> start ukraine-russia. >> peace talks. >> but ukraine's. >> president indicates he was. >> not invited. senator jack reed, ranking member of. >> the armed services committee, is here to discuss. then a bizarre post. >> from trump. >> suggesting he can't break the law if he's, quote. >> saving the country. >> we're going to get. >> reaction from mark. >> elias and the first. >> biden cabinet. >> member to. >> run for office. >> former interior. >> secretary deb haaland. >> joins our conversation. >> so grab your coffee. >> settle in. >> welcome to the weekend. >> inflation is up and donald trump's new tariff strategy could lead to higher costs. this weekend, the president posted online quote, we will consider countries that use the value added tax system, which is far more punitive than a tariff to be similar to that of a tariff.

what? okay. value added taxes, y'all, is also known as vat. okay. you've seen that if you traveled overseas on your receipt. those are taxes on goods and services. at each step along the supply chain, axios reports at least 175 countries globally have a vat. meaning it could impact the math on any reciprocal tariff. but most nations around the world. economists predict tariffs will donald trump's tariffs tactics will increase inflation and it will pass the pain on to, you. guessed it, americans. meanwhile, you've got speaker mike johnson, who is just trying to keep the house republicans in line as they are fighting over very steep spending cuts. up for debate cuts to food stamps and medicaid. we told you that was coming and cuts that would further punish their own voters. politico reports, quote, johnson's own louisiana district has a high rate of households that rely on food assistance, and hospital systems across the country rely on medicaid revenue

to stay in the black. talk about balancing the budget. joining us now is msnbc political analyst and boston globe columnist kim kimberly atkins store. she co-hosts the hashtag sisters in law podcast. did not have that on my bingo card this morning. >> well. >> thank you, mr. president. >> and it's going. >> to. >> be a whole lot more. >> explaining that we're. >> going to have to do along the way because this this systematic and. ongoing assault on various aspects of our economy is part of. the project 2025 plan. part of what we're seeing play out through doge. >> let's let's look at what. >> kevin hassett said about price fluctuations. he's the director of the national economic council. let's have a conversation with ali. let's listen. >> invoking the past administration. >> guarantee that. >> prices won't rise because of these tariffs.

>> i know. >> prices move. >> up, prices move down. >> that's the way. >> the world works, right? the economy. >> but you're an economist. >> you forecast. >> trends like no. >> no, no. >> consumers see prices rise. >> my expectation is that prices will fluctuate. oh now prices will fluctuate. >> oh prices. >> move up, prices. >> move down. but during the campaign. >> there was only one way prices would move under joe biden. and that was up. and now that those prices are moving up under donald trump, as we just saw with the inflation rate in the cpi. what's your take on, on on how this is playing out right. now and going a little bit to something we were talking about yesterday. what's the american people's reaction to this. because i'm sorry, i think we're still sleepwalking a little bit here. >> i think. >> i think. >> we're going. >> to have a rude. awakening very, very soon. so i think what's happening and why you're seeing this change of tack and why the president seems to have learned what that is all of a. >> sudden. >> is donald trump has been leading in a very strong man way, a way.

>> that he. >> thinks projects strength. you know, we're going to impose tariffs on these countries if they don't do what they want us to do. it reminds me a lot of schoolyard bullies. yeah, yeah. so what what it actually shows is the schoolyard bully is weakness, not strength. they don't have the ability to use their words and build relationships. they don't have the ability to show themselves and try to get people to want to hang out with them. so what do they do? they bully them. they threaten them to get that kind of respect that they seek. that's a general, you know, beat your chest. that's a strong man way of doing it. but what that is actually doing is having a negative impact on americans. everyone from. farmers who are getting their money from the inflation reduction act snatch back and they're going into debt all of a sudden. based because that money is being taken back to the lack of investment in renewable energy. and when i say sustainability and renewable climate aside, climate is important. but just bringing the united states into the future of energy production, we are behind every major competitor at this

point, because donald trump still thinks that crude oil is the only way to do it, and he's living in the past. he's just trying to force his way across without any, without any thought of how it affects americans. >> but americans. >> are feeling it, and this can't be sustainable. >> i think. >> that. >> you point out something. very correct. >> which is. that there is a tit for tat. >> and that in some ways the messaging around that. >> for. >> him is. >> so simple, right? >> they should. >> have to pay as much. >> as we pay. >> and that. >> sounds. >> really good until you. >> reach. >> the second part, which is. >> who is. >> going to be paying all. >> that extra. it is you. it is you. >> paying it in. consumer goods. it is you paying it in the. >> cost of. >> your housing. because in addition to eggs, which we heard. >> a. >> lot about on the campaign trail, we heard a lot about housing and. >> the fact. >> that housing is too expensive in this country, the fact that there is not sufficient inventory in this country. and you now. have developers saying, please understand that the price of all of the goods that i import from china. whether it. >> is glass. >> whether it is steel from canada, it is going to make

housing more expensive. this was a headline just yesterday in the new york times. home builders say trump tariffs are raising construction costs. builders describe an unpredictable atmosphere where they are passing the burden of tariffs placed on them by vendors onto consumers. a house that is more expensive to build becomes more expensive to buy. and i think we can talk. all we want about messaging. there is also. >> the. >> reality that. >> if. >> you have not yet felt. >> this, you. >> are going to. >> feel it soon. >> you are definitely. >> going to feel it. >> i mean, people were called remember during. >> the pandemic. >> when the supply chains were really cut off and how that really decimated the building and construction industry? people who were trying to build more affordable housing ran into tremendous roadblocks. and we're seeing, as you're pointing out, it's the same sort of thing. people understand how this happens. we have a global economy. we have a global economy, but we rely on others as much as they rely on us. and to just throw monkey wrenches in it. again, with this chest beating, headline grabbing way that he thinks projects strength is actually showing weakness, we

are showing weakness to our we, you know, in terms of this whole idea of american exceptionalism, which i think, you know. >> he and his. >> allies are trying to push forward. they're actually weakening the position of americans, america's position on the global scale, because of how backwards the impact of this is. the only people rejoicing about this are our competitors like russia and china, who will get way ahead of us and who are loving every bit of this. yeah, >> yeah. >> everything's going to be more expensive. yeah, because everything's about to be more expensive. the president has allies are now telling america. >> and you. >> that just might have to be what it is for a while. you know, short term pain, long term gain. we don't know how short the short term pain is going to be. and what does this mean for republicans and people across the country? well, politico does the headline sweeping safety net cuts have gop centrists questioning johnson's budget? on

thursday, as republican hardliners celebrated a concession they won from party leaders to force deeper spending cuts as part of the republicans sweeping policy push, centrists expressed deep alarm about the trajectory of the massive legislation. speaker johnson's most immediate problem comes from swing district republicans, who believe that the steep spending cuts johnson wants across medicaid, food assistance and other safety net programs for low income americans could cost them their seats. so while all the prices are going up, the safety nets and the programs that the government has in place to help the american people, because government is supposed to work, the people are now being cut. and we told you that was going to cut medicaid. we tried to. >> tell you, i tried to tell you. >> i tried to tell you they would talk a lot about social security and. >> medicare. >> but medicaid, we weren't hearing about medicaid because they were cutting medicaid. now it's on the chopping block, and now you've got republicans in play in districts that are not gerrymandered to high heavens. so they do have some people that don't agree with them on every single thing in their district that elected them being like,

hold up now. yeah. what about we can't do this? you know what part of that is, is what remains of our democracy in action. they are getting their phones blown up in their congressional offices. >> in their inboxes. >> from people in their. constituencies saying, no, we rely on this. what are you doing? this is not what we wanted. and they are reacting to that and getting some pushback. and what i really would love to see democrats do is to meet the folks who are hurting where they are and to say, direct outreach to them, bring them in, bring in farmers and manufacturers in for hearings to explain how this is affecting them, and asking their colleagues to address that and what they're going to do about it. this is it's not just a matter of watching the republicans do terrible things. it's a matter of having an answer to it and building a coalition of people that say, you know what? i thought i liked what donald trump was doing, but this is killing me. this is killing my business. this is killing my family and reaching out and bringing in that coalition rather than, you know, largely just standing back and

watch this happen. >> just real quick. i thought that these republicans knew their congressional districts. i thought they knew who the 720,000 people who make up their congressional district were like. i thought that they understood that the percentage of people who are on assistance programs where there's snap or medicaid. or other educational programs, i thought they knew their people. i don't know why they think that, because they're in a majority white district that it ain't poor and that it is in need of this. >> they thought. >> only black and. >> brown people. oh that's right. oh, damn. i forgot about that part. yeah. >> okay. also remember that people stood by them through efforts to decimate obamacare efforts to decimate other crucial programs because they believed in the identity. they believed in the whole. yeah, well, i don't want illegal immigrants to get this. i don't want the welfare queens and such, but that's eroding now that now that it's hitting them

where they live, there's only so much of that identity politics that's valuable to them. they want to make sure that their parents can still get medical care. they want to make sure that that they can still be, you know, they. >> and. >> their. children can remain safe and have a safety net, too. so i feel like this is a crucial moment to try to reach out to folks and remind them of how this is affecting them, and who is. >> the ultimate. >> safety net program. die. >> well, you know, the. >> hospital bills. >> don't care who you voted for in. >> the last. >> that's right. >> come on now, kimberly atkins store, we appreciate you. thank you so much. ahead, folks. reaction from one a federal workers union. yes. as donald trump's administration purges employees at the national institutes of health. and next, our assistant house democratic leader joe neguse joins the conversation. you are watching conversation. you are watching the weekend. (man) got one more antoine. (vo) with usps ground advantage, it's like you're with us every step of the way. ♪

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employment discrimination. but the purge goes well beyond those roles, npr reports. as many as 1500 employees at the national institutes of health were let go on friday. i wonder what jobs they had. the nih did not respond to nbc news requests for comment on the matter. joining us now, doctor matt brown with nih fellows united, a union that represents early career researchers and others at nih. welcome, sir. >> thank you so much. >> it's a pleasure to be here. >> doctor brown, as in doctor brown with a phd in neuroscience from the johns hopkins university. >> school. >> of medicine. >> can you explain to us a little bit what you. >> do so that we. >> understand more. >> generally what nih does? >> sure. >> i'm a basic. >> science researcher. >> at the nih. i'm a postdoctoral fellow. >> that means that i spend. >> my time in the lab. >> doing the basic, fundamental research that we hope. >> sometime, somewhere down the line. >> will lead to increases in therapies and. >> cures for. >> human diseases. >> okay. >> and that is sort of more

broadly what nih does. >> what is. >> it mean for nih then if funding is getting cut? >> well, it's. >> going to. >> handicap the united. >> states competitive. >> advantage that. >> we have. >> as being the. >> leaders in biomedical sciences. >> across. >> the world. and so. >> it's not just the intramural program. >> where we do research at. >> the. nih campus in bethesda. >> and at nih campuses across the country. but there have been significant cuts to. nih funding grants. >> that will go extramurally to institutions. >> across the country. >> so. the cut in these. >> grants, because we're the country is being told, is that that's wasteful spending that that that's fraud, that nih is fraud. help, help folks understand what it means to cut a dollar of research funding, how that translates into a shot that they're going to need, a pill they need to take, or a therapy that may help them with other ailments that they may have. yeah, i'd be happy to explain that. and so there's no more low hanging fruit in science, right? the problems.

>> that we're trying to tackle. >> in biomedical. >> research, such as curing alzheimer's, kidney disease, heart disease. >> diabetes. >> whatever it is. >> those things. are really. >> hard and. really complex. that takes a lot of money. >> it takes a lot. >> of work, and it takes many other things. >> that probably don't. >> even come to mind, specifically when we're talking about these extramural cuts to. nih grants. these are cuts to what are called indirect costs. and that sounds. >> very amorphous and. >> kind of. >> hard to describe. but in the lab. >> we require very specialized equipment. we require. >> people to help. >> us procure that equipment. >> we require people. >> to help us reach out to the public. all of these things fall under indirect costs that are critical for our research, but still may. be funneled. >> into this sort. >> of indirect cost category. that sounds very difficult to describe, but it's still critical to us getting. >> to these therapies and. >> cures that we're working towards. >> so not only are they cutting funding, though, they are firing people. yes. >> yeah. >> yes. >> and again, under the umbrella of waste and fraud. okay. and i'm just. and die. this from the

washington post. trump's federal firings and parallel government services from cities to farm towns at the national institutes of health, an unknown number of key staff are being let go, posing a potential threat to patient safety, said a person familiar with the matter. nih probationary employees include doctors, nurses, pharmacists and respiratory and respiratory therapists. people who have spent years earning multiple degrees and qualifications. even on friday, the national institutes of health terminated some researchers. is this waste and fraud? and i mean, just what are you hearing from the people that you represent who are being targeted because of die? i just i do not understand this. >> well, i'll tell you. i talked to many researchers. >> that our union. represents on friday. >> that were going through panic attacks. >> all week. >> that were just recovering from panic attacks after i had talked to them. and it was just an incredibly dark week at work. right. >> and it's not just the losing. >> of the jobs, because

obviously that's awful. and obviously that's going to delay research. but some of these things. >> that are harder to see. >> is this chilling. effect on research that that might have. why would i be the one to take on this multiyear, complex project to solve alzheimer's or als? if i could just be terminated at any time? >> why would i. >> be the one to try to solve heart disease, something that could take years. >> and. >> years of my hard working time, when i don't know if the money will be there? >> that's what i'm afraid of. >> it's not just these terminations which are having a really awful effect on people's. >> individual lives. it's also the effect. >> of the endeavor of science in america. why would you be ambitious? why would you be curious when there's so much uncertainty? >> people are getting severance. i mean, i think people out there want to. they would think, oh, people are getting fired from the federal government. they'll be okay. they're getting severance. they're getting paid out. >> that's hard to say at this point. right. because the administration has been so unclear with how this whole thing works. >> we. >> are still gathering information about the kinds. >> of. >> employees, the kinds of research that researchers that were fired from the nih this

past week. and so, we don't know. >> we talk about the fact that all of this research costs a. >> lot of money. >> it also costs a. >> lot of money. >> to not tackle something like alzheimer's. >> right. >> you think about the fact that. >> the baby boomer generation is now. >> sort of. >> coming of age and coming to. >> a point where you've had a lot of folks say, we are going. >> to have a national crisis. >> on. our hands. because when you have this illness. >> that we have. not yet found a. >> cure. >> for. and you. >> have what had. >> been the largest american generation aging. >> you have a. >> care crisis, right? >> so we. >> are going. >> to bear the. >> cost. >> whether that. >> cost is in research. >> or that. >> cost is in care one way or another. that's one component. the other component of it is just our global competitiveness, which you referenced. but i want to make sure that we tease out this from the washington post. for 80 years, the great research institutions of america have enjoyed a special relationship with the federal government, one. >> that has. >> powered scientific and. technological innovation and made the nation's universities a magnet for the world's most brilliant scientists and engineers. >> here's the. >> part i want to underline. research leaders contend that

the nih decision will damage america's ability. >> to compete. >> with china and other nations on the. >> frontier of biomedicine. >> why does that matter for our national security? >> well, throughout my career in. >> science, i've met people from all across the world. >> that come here to the united states, whether it's at universities or at the nih. >> because they know that this. >> is the best place to do biomedical research in the country. >> and in. >> the world. >> in the world. pardon me, excuse me. yeah. in the world. and so losing that by cutting this funding and handicapping our ability to do this world leading research is going to make those people look elsewhere. and because. >> they want. >> to. >> do the best. >> science, and we should want. >> those people. >> to do the best science here. >> can i just real quick. >> i know we got to go, but i think the capstone of this for folks are the headlines that are popping up around the country. just so folks out there across the land. think that this is not real. it is life saving research in alabama. gone cuts threatened northeast ohio's biomedical

research industry. funding cuts for health research in texas. oh. georgia. oh, yeah. biomedical sector risking research jobs, experts say. florida. florida. well, all those folks you just referencing, alicia could lose millions of medical research dollars, sparking fears that lab lights will go out. that's what donald trump is doing for y'all, america. he's cutting off the research dollars that could save your life. and i don't understand. i, i get where you are, matt. you have to walk this tightrope between the folks you represent and an administration that doesn't give a damn. and that's that's what makes this extra hard, because a lot of people are going to get hurt. >> matt brown. doctor matt brown. >> thank you so much for being. >> at our table. >> thank you for. >> having me. >> it was great. >> secretary of state marco. >> rubio is in israel discussing the. >> gaza ceasefire. >> and coming up, we're. >> going. >> to. >> talk with. senator jack. >> reed, the ranking member of the armed services committee,

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>> subtle enough to slip under the wire. >> my thing is, if you're going after waste, fraud and abuse and we've been doing doing those, putting those three words together for over 50 years, right. every every administration, republican, democrat, every congress, every congress, republican or democrat, from nancy pelosi, majority leader to john boehner got newt gingrich. everybody is going to tackle waste, fraud and abuse. there is a way to do this in which you are systematically looking at programs, and you're looking at departments and you're saying, oh, we got these efts that we don't need. they're not filled. there's nobody in this job right now hasn't been in this job for. >> that. >> is waste. that's waste. so let's either eliminate that position or consolidate it. that's what doge is supposed to be doing. but oh, no, folks. what? they're starting with die a very specific criteria. you

either touch it directly or even indirectly, but even it gets even better. in the washington post story. >> the veterans. >> yes, yes. go there, go there. >> targeted our veterans affairs office that works to ensure all veterans receive equal access to care, and an office within health and human services that provides information about the health of minority populations. >> how so? >> veterans of dei. >> are these coders and these young people, these aides that work for elon musk? do they have to fire people like, this is i just i would like the, you know, the noodle spined republicans who serve in the united states senate and the congress to do something, to speak up, to say something. this is. a purge of dedicated public servants. >> that's what it. >> is from our federal government. >> the thing purge the. but the ultimate takeaway here, folks, to understand, is that do you

really think the purge stops with federal employees? come on. you really think that's where this ends? that this stops at federal employees when you've got the media apparatus sitting there, you've got you've already seen the assault. now, on on the sort of cultural nonprofit, oh, donald trump is now the head of the kennedy center, right. that's president of united states purging the culture through the arts. so if you all just get comfortable thinking, well, that's just a federal employee and i'm not a federal employee, think again. >> i'm sorry, but if. >> you just. >> read down into the washington post story, it says in the weeks leading up to the inauguration, those positioned and envisioned itself as the extractor and enforcer of trump's executive order against diversity. they were already planning to go beyond this scope and size. like what? oh my god, they are just so mad that america elected a black president. because this is what it boils back down to. the donald trump was the response to

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america's unequivocal backing for israel's policy in gaza in moving forward. i want to assure everyone who's now listening to us, president trump and i are working. >> in. >> full cooperation and coordination between us. >> joining us. >> now, democratic. >> senator jack reed. >> of rhode island. >> he is. >> the ranking member of the senate armed. services committee. >> senator. good morning. >> good morning senator. good morning. what do you think? in full cooperation on gaza means does this mean that they've signed a deal on a hotel package or what? or any clarification that you could be made aware of? well. >> michael. the president has declared he wants. to engage in the. removal of palestinians. >> with, under. >> international law, ethnic cleansing. and it's illegal. and then he wants to put united states troops on the ground, which would be a disastrous mistake. the last. >> time we did something. >> like that was in lebanon, and we lost over 200 marines. so i

think, frankly. it's not quite clear what they're up to. but there's no. >> yet sort. >> of coherent, internationally. >> approved formula for. >> creating a palestinian. >> state, >> frankly, netanyahu has rejected the two state solution that still, i think. >> the policy united states. >> but trump seems. >> to say no, that it will be one. >> state and that will. >> be, i think, a tragic error in the region. >> you know, senator reid, you have pushed back on the president's idea of putting american troops in gaza to the point where you have co-sponsored legislation, a resolution, part of me, that the united states will not deploy us armed forces to risk united states lives to take over gaza. what has been the conversation with your republican colleagues on this particular issue? i know

when it comes to the issue of ukraine, there is there's some very clear bipartisan work happening. we saw it on camera in the munich security conference this week. but on this particular question, and as it relates to what happens in the fate of gaza, i'm wondering what your colleagues are saying. >> i think there's. >> still some internal debate in the republican caucus about. >> what to do. i don't sense any. enthusiasm for committing troops to gaza. >> the real question. >> is, what can we do both. >> ourselves and our international community. >> to create a stable environment and. >> start. >> rebuilding gaza? >> there's some attention on that, but. >> this is primarily. >> the president's initiative. i think he shocked. >> everyone, including my. >> republican colleagues. >> when he. >> announced off the cuff that. >> we would essentially displace all of the palestinians.

>> and also. >> i think, very. >> ironically, we create summer resorts or rivieras on the mediterranean. that's outrageous. and so i think a lot of. >> my colleagues are keeping. >> on the other. >> side, are keeping their heads. >> down. >> on this one. >> senator. pivoting from. >> israel and gaza to what is happening with russia and ukraine. we have. >> new reporting today. ukraine has not been involved. >> in the peace. >> talks occurring. >> in saudi arabia. and aid close. >> to president zelenskyy. says that. >> as of. >> saturday evening. so that's last night. ukraine has still not been invited to the peace talks between the us and russia and saudi arabia. the aide adds. it is dangerous to speak with enemies. before you speak. >> with allies. >> ukraine's position remains unchanged. >> we need to have a joint. >> position of ukraine. the us and europe. before any negotiations with putin. >> your response, sir? >> i think he is absolutely correct. and the statements made at the munich security

conference, first by secretary hicks, that were completely inappropriate. you don't give away your leverage in a negotiation. before you start the negotiation. and senator, president, vice president vance's. >> statement to were. >> highly, i think, provocative to our european allies and very comforting. >> to vladimir putin. this is not a surprise. >> to me. >> this is. >> exactly what the president. >> did with respect to afghanistan. he negotiated directly with the. taliban in doha. >> he did not involve the afghan government. and then he prepared. >> an agreement that in. >> one year. we'd leave not only. >> our troops. >> with all the contracts. >> and everything else, essentially sent the signal. >> to taliban. >> and you won. and just give. >> us give us. room to get out of town. >> and that is. >> essentially, i think, what. >> he's doing now. and it's going to be. >> horrific for the ukrainian people. putin will not only. >> seize more territory, he'll

take revenge. >> and then. our european allies are now. left sort of alone. >> in many respects. >> what the president doesn't recognize. is one of our greatest strengths from world war two on has been our allies everywhere. >> and he's just spurning. >> our allies and embracing. >> our adversaries. it's ridiculous, but it's also tragic. >> senator, to that, to that very point, i'd like to let you hear a little bit of donald trump and his views of vladimir putin on peace. >> when putin. >> says that he really. >> wants peace. >> do you. >> believe him? >> yeah, i do. i believe. >> he wants peace. >> i'd love to have him back. i think it was a mistake to throw him out. look, it's not a question of liking russia or not liking russia. it was the g8. >> is that. something our allies want? have putin back in the g8. >> i don't think so. i think the

president. >> forgot that. >> putin conducted. >> an. >> unprovoked attack upon a country, indeed in the past. >> we. >> together with our russia and other allies, have guaranteed. the sovereignty. >> of the. >> ukraine after they gave up their nuclear weapons. and we certainly forgotten that. >> putin has. >> so we're in a situation now where the president. is essentially telling our allies go, you know, you're on your own and telling putin, take what you want. >> that is disruptive. >> and it's not just disruptive. it's very, very dangerous. >> to say the least. dangerous. senator, if we could take a turn. we've been talking this morning a lot about the national institutes of health. and what this administration is doing via doge to root out waste and fraud. but it just ends up firing people who are doing life saving work and career civil servants. you have actually

joined with researchers in the medical community in rhode island to oppose major cuts to life saving nih research. just wondering your thoughts on that. we are hearing now this morning that more the uncertainty within nih. so many people have been fired, funding has been cut, and we just had someone who represents the union here, doctor matt brown, who said that they we asked him after the show was over, we said, do you think more cuts are coming? he said, we don't know what is happening, but they are bracing. >> well. >> this is a. disastrous policy. >> it is not only. undercutting our scientific efforts. >> it's also. >> damaging and will damage our economy here in rhode island. we are investing in not only federal dollars. >> but state. >> dollars and private. dollars and becoming a leader in medical research with our hospitals and our medical school. and this

undercuts that. and just sort of an example of how the cost is going to impact the united states. one of the major areas where we're. >> searching here is dementia. as this population ages and it's aging, more and more dementia takes place. >> that's a very. >> expensive disease. it's expensive. >> not so much. >> in the treatments, but in the. >> custodial care. >> for people. and we're going to spend billions and. billions of dollars of doing that unless we find cures or ways to delay the onset of the disease. so this is not just, you know, kind of, well, we don't like these scientists and they can pay their own way, etcetera. >> this goes right to our economy. >> in fact, michael was talking before about. cutting waste. >> what they don't. >> do is they don't do a cost benefit analysis. >> they don't look. >> at the cost and. >> the benefits. >> seeing the benefits far outweigh the cost. they just are

looking for money for one reason a tax cut. >> they want to. >> fund a huge tax cut for the wealthiest americans. >> and they. >> will disparage. >> all other americans. >> so. >> you know, when they go after. >> medicaid, it's going to be poor people in nursing homes and. >> frankly, middle class, middle income people in. >> nursing homes. >> and they don't care. >> because they're. >> going to take. >> the money and run. and that is just. very difficult to sort. >> of fathom. >> but also to accept. and we're not going to accept. we're going. >> to push back. >> people have to know that this is really about. will working americans. >> have a chance. >> to succeed? we'll be able to defeat inflation, will be able to go forward. >> right now. he's ignoring all. >> those issues, and he's the peril of the country. >> senator jack reed, thank you for speaking so plainly about the issues. >> this morning. >> and for joining us. we appreciate your time. next, we

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of the first major political moves for a member of the biden administration. if elected secretary haaland would be the first native american woman governor in our nation's history. former interior secretary and new mexico gubernatorial candidate deb haaland joins us now. >> good morning. good morning. good to have you. you are. oh, absolutely. you are at the exciting time of your life right now, reshaping the political landscape in new mexico. there's a lot of politics, obviously, that that gets involved in a campaign. but i want to pull the lens back out a little bit from the politics of what you're doing. if you could just contextualize for the country and especially the voters there in new mexico, we what we see happening at the federal level, how that will impact what you will be able to do as governor,

what they will be able to receive in in government services and programs that help the least in communities across new mexico. >> yes. thanks. thanks so. >> much for having me. it's nice to see you all. so of course, new mexico, there's. >> a lot of. >> folks living here. >> at the poverty line. >> or under. >> the poverty line. >> and so i think people are struggling. i know what that's like. i raised. >> my. >> kid as a. >> single mom. >> in albuquerque. >> and, you know, i understand what it means to not know if you can pay rent and buy food in the same month. and so i feel very confident that. >> my leadership. >> the leadership skills that i and experience that. >> i. >> have had over the past several years can help move us forward. i, i. want i have that

lived. experience and leadership experience to see. >> if. >> i can help. >> new. >> mexicans to have a brighter future and make sure. >> that the system. >> works for them. >> you know, i was looking. >> back at some of the numbers from. >> this past. >> election, and you. saw in your. >> state, a. >> democratic stronghold for the first time, really shift to trump. this is some reporting from the time trump's three point win in socorro, which is 50% hispanic, 15% native american after biden took it by seven points in 2020, is emblematic of inroads the republicans made in counties. >> with high. >> poverty levels, something you referenced and those with large hispanic or native american populations. that's according to edison research data. how do you bring communities like that back. >> into the fold? >> exactly. >> and that's i feel like that's what i'm good at. i started out as. >> an organizer, right? >> i was i, i registered voters

and got voters out in underrepresented communities. it's so important. one of the things that i'm doing after i launched my campaign, i'm here in las cruces, new mexico right now, in fact, in southern new mexico, ready to have several roundtables. we're going to go out and meet people. i think what i really want to do initially is listen to people. we need to do more listening than talking. >> we need to hear. >> what people's. struggles are, what how they. >> see the future, what the ideas that they have. >> they want to be. listened to. so i'm going. >> to. >> do that in my campaign as i just started. and so we're doing a state tour and making sure that i am going to all those. small communities and hearing people out. >> las cruces that my husband went to school in las cruces. and so i'm sure there'll be a good mix of students, but also community members that you'll interact with. you know, madam secretary, i guess some people would say the election isn't

until 2026 and november 2026. so you are well over a year, more than a year and a half ahead of when people will actually be casting their ballots. why announce now? >> well. >> new mexico is a big state. >> i'll say. so it's going to take a lot of driving and a lot of talking to people, listening to people. >> so i. >> wanted to really get a head start on that look. i love this state too. it's beautiful. just before you. >> you had. >> me on, you know, we could hear the geese flying above on this beautiful sunny day here in las cruces. so? so i'm ready. no better time like the present. it's going to. take all those conversations to make sure that we are helping. >> voters to understand. >> why, why democrats care more about them. right. we see what's happening right now with the trump administration firing

people, people in indian health service. we have 23 indian tribes here in new mexico that rely on those services. be of indian education, people being fired right and left. it's really a terrible, terrible time. and so i'm ready to step up. i'm ready to make sure that the va has what. >> they need. to care for. their patients. >> it's really devastating here for our communities and as, as yes, as we mentioned, folks are struggling. and on top of that, now they're going to have to struggle even more because of the chaos and the cruelty that this president is putting forward. >> secretary deb haaland, thank you very, very much for your time. refill that mug, folks. next hour, we will be speaking with mark elias and assistant democratic leader congressman joe neguse. you're watching the weekend.

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