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the trump administration. 20 immigration judges have been let go without explanation, their firings coming amid case backlogs and the crackdown on immigration. lawmakers today rejecting rather reacting to the administration's massive layoffs aimed at shrinking the size of the federal government. >> they're looking. >> for that money anywhere they can find it, whether it's on the backs of rural america. whether it's on the backs of veterans, whether it is on the backs. >> of cancer research. >> we hate that anybody is losing their job. but at the same time, we know that the debt that we have in this country is not manageable. and it's becoming a national security risk. and we're spending nearly $1 trillion a year just in servicing the debt. >> as soon as this week, the administration plans to lay off thousands of probationary irs workers. it's a move that could squeeze resources right in the middle of tax filing season. also new today, secretary of state marco rubio in israel, where he met with prime minister benjamin netanyahu. they

discussed iran. and rubio praised the president's plan to take over gaza. >> it may have shocked and surprised many, but what cannot continue is the same cycle where we repeat over and over again and wind up in the exact same place. related to that, the president's been very clear. hamas cannot continue as a military or government force. they must be eliminated. it must be eradicated. >> in the coming days. rubio and an envoy of top officials are expected to meet in saudi arabia for talks to end the war in ukraine. a spokesperson for ukrainian president today said that country has not been invited to those talks yet. here's president vladimir zelenskyy on meet the press earlier. >> can you accept. any peace deal that is cut without ukraine? >> no. i'm sure that we have to be there. otherwise it's not acceptable. but if there is a decision without us and putin

will go out from all our land, we will be in nato and putin will be in the prison. so president trump can. >> meantime, president trump is in daytona beach, florida, where he's going to attend the daytona 500. he's doing or he may have just finished that lap in the presidential limousine known as the beast. and we've got several reporters and analysts ready to discuss all of these new developments. we're going to begin with nbc's yamiche alcindor, who's in washington for us. so, yamiche, another welcome on this sunday. how are the mass layoffs of federal workers escalating this weekend? >> well, alex, what we're seeing is sweeping layoffs that are going across all sorts of agencies and departments. we saw at the department of justice at the end of this week, multiple immigration judges terminated. now, union officials telling nbc news that this doesn't make sense because president trump has made immigration and deporting deporting people a key part of his administration a key priority for him. that being

said, these judges are now being let go. we're also seeing at the department of health and human services a number of probationary employees. those are federal workers who have been with the government only a year or two. they're getting a similar letter. it says this in part, unfortunately, the agency finds you are not fit for continued employment because your ability, knowledge and skills do not fit the agency's current needs and your performance has not been adequate to justify further employment at the agency. so that's what a number of employees are getting at hhs. we're also seeing a lot of both criticism and praise for these moves. republicans, congressional republicans are really coming to the defense of president trump and elon musk, saying that they are doing what needs to be done in order to cut costs here. but democrats have been pointedly critical of this. take a listen to what we've heard. >> i think. >> you're going to see a paper trail come back to. >> washington, d.c, and. >> that's why i think a lot of people are nervous, and you'll see a lot of retirements because they are stealing from the

american taxpayer. and now they've got their hand caught in the cookie jar, and all they can do is attack elon musk. >> elon musk and donald trump are getting rid of critical services that don't just serve as blue states or blue districts. they service all of america. we need mental health care for our veterans all across the country. there are hungry kids going to school all across this country, and donald trump and elon musk are taking that money and trying to push it through a house republican budget as tax cuts for themselves and their billionaire buddies. >> now we're also seeing multiple legal challenges to elon musk and the department of government efficiencies there, their pushes to cut costs and to cut jobs here. but the other thing that we're seeing is president trump and elon musk continuing to move at lightning speed, taking up new targets for their departments, including the department of education, the irs, as you laid out. so a lot is still going to continue to unfold here, alex. >> okay. yamiche, thank you so much from the white house. we're going to continue this conversation with jacqueline

alemany, the white house reporter at the washington post. jack, it's good to see you. so, look, we're continuing to see this fallout from the mass firings across the federal government, including those immigration judges. also, thousands of federal health workers let go using that same form letter. and the trump administration now working to find and rehire nuclear safety workers who were, quote, accidentally terminated. i mean, what do these mistakes tell you about the speed at which these moves are being taken? >> yeah. >> alex, i mean. >> i think that. >> this is the perfect encapsulation. >> of a lot of what we've been hearing. about this silicon valley sort of mindset being wielded in the federal government. >> to. >> move fast and break things. >> and in, in. >> the course of elon musk and the department of government. efficiency office trying to move as. >> quickly as possible. >> there is seems to be. >> a lot of collateral. >> damage that goes beyond far beyond. >> sort of the. >> ideological goals of.

>> of what. >> some of the trump administration is. >> is trying to do here. >> but that being said, you know. >> i think that that these these cuts go far beyond efficiency and trying to and cost savings, obviously, my colleagues had obtained a number of documents that show that there are a lot of ideological goals here. doge trying to plan to trim offices that protect civil rights, the civil rights of employees. obviously, diversity, equity and inclusion efforts. that's what the next wave, i think, of firings we're going to see are going to be not going beyond dei efforts and, and more into the vein of employment discrimination in the federal workplace. but this is happening at a rapid clip. and part of that is, again, sort of inadvertent, making inadvertent mistakes and cuts to parts of the federal government that that

the doge team may or may not realize is really essential. but it's also part of the strategy in and of itself, because if you're flooding the zone, as steve bannon would say, you're also giving your, you know, the courts are scrambling to keep up and it's harder. it makes it easier for the doge team to actually accomplish their their intended outcome. >> yeah, yeah, 100%. you coauthored a piece on trump getting his cabinet through the senate confirmation process, despite protests by some republican lawmakers, the triumph of trump's most controversial picks has set the tone for the president's domineering relationship with congress and left allies more confident than ever that he can have his way in washington. should we expect any real resistance from republican lawmakers to trump's agenda over his term? i mean, is there any stopping him now? >> i think at least before the 2026 midterm elections, where many senators are up for

reelection, a handful, especially those people like bill cassidy, susan collins and a few others who are really put on the spot during this process. we're not going to see that much pushback. there is this feeling that that trump not only clearly won the general election, but that far and away won the republican primary, and that it's the role of lawmakers to be deferential to him, at least in the first two years of the administration, before he essentially becomes a lame duck. i mean, these are we're looking at cabinet nominees who are probably the most unorthodox picks by a president in in modern american history. and while there were some initial concerns at the beginning, all of these nominees are appearing to make it through the process. and that's not just from sort of some strategic back door cloakroom conversations and, and a lot of consistent meetings and

working to assuage concerns of lawmakers between the white house office of legislative affairs, j.d. vance and those lawmakers. but it's also because of, as steve bannon said to us in this piece, this religious fever that the make america great again base really embraced this confirmation process with and put grassroots pressure on these lawmakers who who really felt the pressure directly, you know, through calls from constituents and online and felt pressure to ultimately, at the end of the day, go along and toe the party line. >> yeah, a lot of outside pressure for, sir from into those members on the committees. let me ask you about donald trump, who made that bold post across his social media accounts yesterday, sharing that quote, he who saves his country does not violate the law. this post was even posted on the official white house account. so what's the message trump's trying to send here?

>> i think this is a message that is one that we're seeing blow right wide open this week within conservative legal circles in the republican party, which is that this this idea of who exactly, you know, protects and preserves the rule of law is, is this is this something that is a unitary authority, something that comes from the president himself and, and sort of trickles down regardless of what sort of independent opinions. and conservative prosecutors, for example, might have to say. or is this something where prosecutors and those who practice the law, even conservative lawyers, get to sort of have some sort of degree of independence in terms of interpreting statutes and doing their jobs. at the end of the day. >> okay, we're going to hear more from you one of these days

very soon. thank you so much, though, for today. jackie alemany. we're going to bring in right now, shaniqua mcclendon, vice president of political strategy at crooked media, along with former florida representative and msnbc political analyst carlos curbelo. just a quick couple of questions here, guys. shaniqua, your reaction to trump making that post? >> yeah, donald trump is. >> clearly a man. >> who thinks. >> he's. accountable to no one. >> and, you know. >> i don't think anyone who feels nervous right now should feel like that's an inappropriate feeling. it makes me feel nervous. >> this belief. >> that, you know, whatever he does to save our country is fine. what does it mean to him to save our country? i think donald trump wants rich white men running this country, and that is what he sees as saving it. but that's going to be horrible for the rest of us. you know, that means no defection or disagreement, and it's letting him do whatever he wants. that means starving, hungry children around the world. and even in this country, it's decimating our federal workforce. so, you know, his definition of saving

this country is one that does not make me feel safe. and it's one that i think we should all be concerned about. >> well, i mean, the supreme court told him, you do you you're it's all legal. so there you go. what's your reaction to the post, carlos? should republicans begin to push back on that sort of mentality, to try to at least appear to provide a check on presidential power? >> alex, certainly. i mean, not on the basis of opposing the president, necessarily, but simply on the basis of asserting the branches. each branch's authority under the constitution, right. congress'sg fathers intended it for it to be the main, the focal point. >> of government. >> so congressional republicans and democrats should reassert their article one powers and make sure that the president and anyone else understands that the executive has to follow the laws enacted by congress. i don't think this is so much a racial question as a typical trump

tactic, trying to see how far he can push the envelope. he puts out these messages to see what the reaction is from the public, from the media, and importantly, from members of congress, especially senate and house republicans. so it is important for those members to come out and say, hold on a second. here we are a constitutional republic. we have checks and balances in our constitution. we, especially republicans, are originalists, right? we support the founding fathers and what their intention was for the country and its government. so that really does have to have to happen in reaction to this trial balloon that the president has put out. >> it has to happen. but i guess the question is, will it? i'll leave that rhetorically there. and you guys please both stay with me, because we're going to talk about the secrecy surrounding elon musk and his doge team and how long he can keep operating in the shadows. we'll be back with that. meantime, the new warning from democrats ahead of a budget democrats ahead of a budget showdown. we're back in prilosec knows, for a fire...

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engaged. president trump also spoke with macron this week. but i have to push back on this. any notion that they aren't being consulted, they absolutely are. >> national security advisor mike waltz there ahead of a planned trip in the coming days to saudi arabia for talks on a ukraine russia peace deal with secretary of state marco rubio and special envoy to the middle east steve witkoff. but an aide close to president vladimir zelensky tells nbc news. as of saturday evening, ukraine was still not invited. joining me now, democratic congressman from illinois, mike quigley. he is a member of the appropriations and intelligence committees. congressman, it's always good to see you on the show. so here's the question. ukrainian president zelensky tells meet the press this morning he won't agree to any deal that is negotiated without them. so where are the benefits to a two track approach? could it be a starting point, or will it have to then start over with ukraine addressing what's best for ukraine to end this war? >> only in the bizarro. >> world of trump foreign policy

is the aggrieved party left out. at the beginning of these discussions. obviously, putin invaded ukraine, committed extraordinary war crimes. and if they're not extraordinarily endangered right now, most of eastern europe is as well, because no one in my travels to ukraine during the war, four times and five times to poland, has any one of those leaders expressed the realization that putin's aims go well beyond ukraine? so are we talking about territorial integrity? are we talking about security guarantees? who builds ukraine? who brings back the thousands of children who have been stolen by putin? but you begin by talking to putin, leaving ukraine and all of europe out of it. it's an extraordinarily foolish foreign policy decision, clearly telling putin he's got the advantage. >> well, to that end, europeans are going to hold an emergency summit in paris tomorrow over

concerns the trump administration may exclude them from peace talks. and we heard the national security adviser, mike waltz, earlier deny europeans haven't been involved. but after seeing how defense secretary hegseth and vice president vance projected their values on the world stage in munich this weekend, are european concerns legitimate? i mean, what is the risk of negotiating without european allies? >> look. we woke up this morning to a new world order, that world order that we helped create after the second world war and for all the reasons we fought the second world war, that liberal democratic world order is at great risk right now, and the united states is standing firmly on the sidelines, beginning with the dismantling. usaid, our absolute best soft power. we're telling the rest of the world, you're on your own. and if we think we're safer, we're extraordinarily naive and or at least fooling ourselves.

so it's a different world right now. i'd like to think that there will be some pressures from our country, from congress, to push back on this, because i know my republican colleagues know better. will any of them stand up? we'll wait and see. >> so here in the us is the president tests the boundaries of his executive powers. take a look at this post on social media yesterday. again, he who saves his country does not violate the law. i've asked this question of a couple of guests so far. your turn. what was he projecting there? >> the first step toward an autocracy. you know, when we say things like that, people imagine you're being hyperbolic, but he's basically dismissing the constitution and daring anyone to challenge him. toward that end, he's already attacked article one trying to make congress almost totally unimportant. the fact of the matter is, you can say, i'm going to save the country, but there's no nothing he can point

to. there's no emergency powers that are really in play here. so this is just him saying, because i think i'm going to save this world, to save this country, i can do whatever i want. if you give him that, you give him everything. and i would tell my republican colleagues, well, you might as well just stay at home. >> well, let me ask you about that sense of unimportance, because you're on the house appropriations committee that oversees distribution of government funding. and as elon musk's department of government efficiency gets into government agencies and slashes spending to shrink the government, has appropriations been stripped of its authority? and if so, how can congress fight back? are republicans on appropriations talking about this at all? >> look, the first wave of this comes with the courts, and many of them have done what we hope that they would do. real challenge will be what will we do? what will the president do? what will the country do if he decides to ignore the courts? we haven't really gotten to the votes yet, because we haven't

gotten to the appropriation votes on this year's budget or looking at next year's. so it's going to be very telling in the coming weeks. as you know, the split in the house is very, very close. it is hard to imagine the republicans can pass spending bills without democratic help. so if anyone wants to look at the optimistic side, if they need our help, we are going to hold, you know, we're going to hold them to their obligations in this vein. but again, if they're disciplined and they want to go along with the president moving toward complete control, they're going to be able to do that. >> let me ask you last question about the thousands of probationary government workers being laid off. more to come. a federal judge allowing trump's government buyout plan to go forward. that means 75,000 federal workers accepted the offer and will leave the workforce. is this an example of trump keeping promises to americans who voted for him? >> you know, i was just at just brown hospital for veterans. i don't think anyone thought that was part of the deal, that

veterans would get less care, critical work that's going there. i think this was some vague promise, but people didn't understand necessarily what's at stake. you lay off irs workers. we're going into tax season. good luck having someone actually answer the phone. if you have a critical question. and i don't even think about this when you're biting into a boar's head sandwich, right. because there's not going to be enough food inspectors. these are people who are dedicated workers that keep us safe. these are people who have saved the inspector general. he fired inspectors general, saved this country $90 billion last year. i think people should look into elon musk. the fact that he's cutting agencies that are actually investigating him and his interest. so this isn't about saving money. this is about corruption. i'm from chicago. i've seen it firsthand. that's what this administration is heading toward. >> okay. >> congressman mike quigley,

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you have those tornado warnings, you have the snow here in florence, mississippi. no reports of a tornado that touched down, but we definitely got some strong winds. and you can see here there's a tree that toppled onto this home. fortunately, the homeowners were not hurt, but obviously they will have some cleanup ahead of them. and as you mentioned, we just heard from governor andy beshear in kentucky saying that at least eight residents lost their lives and they expect, unfortunately, that number to go up. he attributed that to some people driving in some of those flooded waters. and again, the messaging there for anyone that's seeing any of those flooded roads right now is, of course, to turn around, don't drown. and as you mentioned in tennessee, you have those water rescues that are also underway. and we also have a number of travel delays. we can't forget about those when you have all of this weather, this inclement weather that's impacting all of these regions, you have those flight delays and those cancellations, delays in the thousands, cancellations in the hundreds. and of course, our friends in new england are dealing with the snow right now. some of the residents, of course, reacting to some of that blanket of snow that many are just over at this point. take a listen. >> where are you at now? it's

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former representative carlos curbelo are back with me. so carlos is the administration thinking things through with these firings? >> no, i mean, there's a clear understanding here that this is an administration trying to act the way people would act in a startup or in a small company. and i think that's fine for the small business world and for startups. but government has a different mission, and government relies on civil servants. in a lot of cases, people who dedicate their lives to public service, to making sure that we're delivering some kind of good or benefit to the public. and that's where i think the administration is getting this wrong. everyone is for efficiency. everyone wants government to function in a streamlined way, in an efficient manner. so the what isn't what can get this administration in trouble. it's the how, how they are treating people and if they are doing any long term damage to these institutions that

require not only people to work there, but people to want to work there in the future, this is going to make it a lot harder for government to recruit the kind of qualified people that we need to do important jobs. >> well, here's another how how is this going to impact the economy, shaniqua, when you've got thousands and thousands suddenly out of work, is the administration prepared for those consequences? >> absolutely not. i think these decisions that are being made are a clear sign that they do not know what they are doing, that our president doesn't understand how the economy works. he doesn't understand that people need to have jobs, to spend money to keep our economy growing. he doesn't understand that when you fire a significant number of people who not only are helping american people through their civil service, but also get paychecks, that that is going to have an impact. and we don't know if these people are going to get severance, though it might be the case that they they get fired and then they don't know what they're going to do. so this is going to have a

tremendous impact. it's not going to help people. and for a president that continues to tell us he had a mandate from the election because people really cared about prices. he's completely ignoring everything that he could do to be helping people afford their lives. >> and carlos, elon musk's team launched its new doge website last week, where the huffington post reports that it posted classified information about a u.s. intelligence agency. how much does that add to national security concerns? >> big time, alex. and again, it's this mentality of just kind of shooting from the hip, and it's the mentality that we would expect from people who are starting a business out of their garage. and again, there's a place for that. it makes sense. there's a culture in the startup world and the small business world that makes a lot of sense for that world. in government, the consequences are massive, right? we're talking about protecting and maintaining the nuclear arsenal. we're talking about keeping people safe, about making sure that the department

of homeland security, for example, can prevent terrorism here at home. so this is more than just business. this is not the private sector. it's the public sector. it's the government sector. and it needs to be handled with care. that doesn't mean it can't be reformed. that doesn't mean that there should be parts of the government where we're afraid to make changes or make things more efficient, but how we do it matters. and the way it's being done now is reckless. >> well, shaniqwa musk claims that doge is trying to bring transparency, but the washington post reports quote, in reality, mr. musk's team is operating in deep secrecy, surprising federal employees by descending upon agencies and gaining access to sensitive data systems. and because of his status as a special government employee, his financial disclosures will not be made public. so how long can he keep operating in the shadows?

>> as long as donald trump and the rest of the republicans allow him to. you know, i was i don't know why i thought at this point, we might see more republicans speaking out about this, especially republicans in congress. congress is a separate branch of government, and i would expect the people running congress right now, which are republicans, to step up and say something. this is not okay. again, this mandate that donald trump says that he has, if he if he really did, it was for him. it was not for elon musk to go rummaging through our federal government to, you know, pick out things that he deems inefficient when in reality, it feels like he's moving things around in a way that will benefit him. and if transparency was important to him, he would release his disclosures and allow people to see what he has going on. how has he benefited benefiting from these decisions that he's making about what departments to go after? so, you know, i hope that at some point we will see that transparency, but it's going to take someone with some power to step up and stop elon musk from doing all of

this. >> carlos is also some new reporting that despite president trump's massive immigration crackdown, ice is struggling to arrest higher numbers of immigrants, and they're falling short of their goals. the chief of staff for ice during the biden administration says he saw the initial blitz as a lot of show, and taking federal law enforcement away from their priorities. so is this just show so far, or will we start seeing more dramatic action? >> well, i think it's both, alex. i mean, without a doubt, this administration is being a lot more aggressive about enforcing immigration laws. but in terms of the numbers, they are doing a really good job of drawing attention to this, talking about it, inviting media organizations to accompany them on some of these raids. so it is part show. and at the end of the day, they are going to need more resources. that's why senate republicans are pushing hard to

move an initial package in congress, not the big, beautiful bill that the president talks about, but a more modest package that focuses on funding on dollars for the kind of immigration enforcement that the president and the administration have promised. without those dollars, it's going to be very difficult for them to meet the ambitious goals they have set for themselves and to keep the promise that they made to the american people on immigration. >> and border, czar tom homan criticized new york representative alexandria ocasio-cortez, aoc, for hosting a webinar informing immigrants of their rights. so listen to his response when he was asked about that today. here it is. >> you can call it know your rights all you want. we all know the bottom line is the bottom line is how they invade law enforcement. don't open the door. don't answer questions. when you sit down with people who are wanted by us criminal aliens that have been ordered deported from the united states government and ignore that order. if you and i ignore that order, we'd be sitting in prison. but they ignored the

order from a federal judge. they're hiding in a home, and she's telling them not to open the door. now, i'm not saying that's illegal. what i'm saying is, i asked the attorney general what point is it impeding and what point is it not impeding? >> do you expect the tension between the administration and particularly democratic run cities and states to escalate? >> yeah, but i really just want to point out that he literally said, i'm not saying that's illegal. when people come to this country, they have rights, you know? and so for him to kind of point the finger and imply that she is doing something wrong when he himself said it is not illegal, i think it just speaks to, you know, where we are. i do think these tensions are going to rise because you have a lot of people in the republican party are in elected office who just don't want people who are different from them in this country. you know, i think he should worry about his own district. you know, can people in his district afford their everyday costs and not be looking to reprimand elected officials who are doing what their constituents need? >> okay. juan carlos, good to see you both. see you next

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>> i think. >> we're all. >> really rallying because we. >> really, really. >> really believe in the mission of. >> the cfpb. >> and it is so important to those of us who no longer work there and those who are still there to band together and try to save what we can. >> and joining us now is former consumer financial protection bureau associate director of research, monitoring and regulations, julie morgan. julie, thanks for joining us. and i want to point out to everyone that you left the cfpb in january before these cuts, but did the possibility of being fired factor. factor it all into your decision to leave? >> it didn't factor into my decision to leave, but i was incredibly worried about this very scenario. for the people who are at the cfpb still, because, you know, we were seeing signs of this with elon musk being brought into work in the trump administration. while he has these massive conflicts of interest, you know, as he's starting to trying to start his own payments company through the social media platform x.

>> yeah, and he's not the only one on the social media platforms trying to do the same. i'm curious, have you spoken with anyone who's been let go from the agency, and if so, what are they telling you? >> you know, i've spoken to people who have been let go from the agency, but i don't even really need to talk to people to understand what's going on here. and people who work at the cfpb are incredibly mission driven. you know, these are people who could have had their pick of jobs at big law firms or at big banks, and instead they chose to go into the federal government in order to protect people and to make sure that big banks and the big tech companies who are working in the, you know, consumer financial spaces are following the law. and so they're incredibly frustrated because they're being told right now that, you know, they basically can't do the work that they need to do to actually follow the law. so they're being told to essentially defy what congress told the agency to do. >> wow. >> so the consumer financial protection bureau. it's one agency whose work directly benefits americans. why

dismantle it? i mean, is it all about deregulating the financial industry? >> it's a great question. and you're right. the cfpb does a ton of work that is incredibly important to american families. you know, this is the agency that people can go to if they're scammed by a payday lender, if they have inaccurate information on their credit report, or if they're having trouble with their mortgage servicer. and it really is an agency that provides a direct service to people. so you can actually file a complaint with the cfpb, and you can make sure that you actually get a response from the company or from the agency itself. and so, you know, the efforts right now are being undertaken in the name of waste, fraud and abuse against an agency that delivered $21 billion to back to consumers in its lifetime. it doesn't make sense. the thing that's driving this here is elon musk himself. as i said earlier, elon musk from the start when he bought x, planned to turn it into a

payments platform. that's his profit making plan for x, and the thing that stands in his way is having a strong regulator. he wants to own a bank. he wants to operate a bank, but he doesn't want to play by the same rules as other banks. >> so i'm going to get to another question i think in a minute if i have time. but i'm curious the kind of data that was at least temporarily saved from being deleted, or is it more than just investigations into fraud that's underway. >> at investigations at the cfpb? right. the cpb investigates all kinds of lawbreaking by financial institutions. it enforces a number of rules that congress handed to it in the wake of the financial crisis, because the other regulators in this space were asleep at the wheel and allowed a massive financial crisis. so it's far more than than just fraud that's at stake here. and all of the work that cfpb had been doing to enforce the law has been put on hold by the trump administration. >> okay. so and you mentioned getting money back when the

company, the agency rather wins money back from its efforts. how do those funds get returned to people who are affected? how do people even know they've been financially hurt? because a question is worth asking about? is the process of getting the money back a complicated one, which then might create the idea that the bureau doesn't directly help anyone? >> the process is overseen by the cfpb. in many cases, the money is being delivered back to people by the banks themselves. there's some technical processes that go on in the background, but cfpb is very much at the center of making sure that that money gets returned to people and gets returned to people in an easy and straightforward way for them. >> okay. we're going to keep a very close eye on elon musk's interests there regarding x and meta's interests as well, trying to develop their own payment systems through their platforms. and we'll have you back to talk about it as well. thank you so much, julie. meantime, it caught everyone by surprise the first time he said it. now others are repeating it. so what to make of

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