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three. >> additional officials in. >> the public. integrity section at. >> main justice also resigned after meeting the same. top justice department official who is trump appointee and trump. defense counsel. acting deputy attorney general emil bove. so if you're wondering what kind of day it's been thus far at the u.s. department of justice, it's a six resignation kind of day. >> thus far. >> but just just to get. >> the. >> import here, just just back up for a second. the mayor of new york city is eric adams. he's a democrat. he's elected in 2021. the people of new york who elected adams largely on his his tough on crime platform, would soon learn that federal prosecutors at s.d.n.y in the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york. federal prosecutors started investigating him in 2021, even before he took office, because they were looking. >> into. >> what appeared to be serious irregularities in. >> his campaign fundraising. >> within a couple of years, the
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fbi was searching. >> the. >> homes and offices of the mayor's. fundraising chief and his top staffers. and this past september, eric adams became the first sitting mayor of new york city to ever be charged with federal crimes. he was indicted on a whole raft of charges involving allegedly fraudulent campaign contributions, also a rip snorting alleged bribery scheme in which he allegedly took campaign funds and gifts, and luxury travel from agents of the government of turkey in exchange for doing favors for the government of turkey. and obviously, this is a huge deal, right? first new york city mayor to get hit with federal charges. it's the mayor of the nation's. largest city under indictment. but the charges themselves were, like pretty straightforward corruption charges. you know, local politician charged with accepting money. he's not legally allowed to accept. and in some cases, he's charged with allegedly doing official favors in exchange for that money. it's kind of a bread and butter public corruption charge. this
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is the kind of thing that u.s. attorneys office all over the country investigate and prosecute all the time. prosecutors in s.d.n.y indicted eric adams in september. mayor adams vowed to stay in office, vowed to fight the charges. he was given a trial date of this spring, april of this year, to have his day in court. but then donald trump was sworn in as president. and this week, donald trump's justice department ordered the federal prosecutors in s.d.n.y to drop their case against adams to drop the charges, not because they said they had some new evidence vindicating adams, but because, according to the new trump appointees at main justice, the mayor was the victim of a political persecution. see, the biden administration had been out to get him. the biden administration was out to get the democratic mayor of the big blue city of new york because something something democrats. something, something. but but
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here is something to note about the way they ordered the charges dropped against mayor adams. i don't think this has gotten enough attention in the memo from, you know, donald trump's personal lawyer, who is the acting deputy attorney general, emil bove. the southern district prosecutors were told by him that they needed to dismiss the charges without prejudice, which is a legal term that means the charges could be brought later, could be brought back again at a later time. the charges against eric adams quote shall be reviewed by the confirmed u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york following the november 2025 mayoral election, based on consideration of all relevant factors. so we're putting these charges on ice for now. so eric adams can run his reelection campaign without technically being under indictment. and then we'll see how we feel, and maybe we'll bring the charges back based on consideration of all the relevant factors. talk about
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having leverage over somebody. right. we're taking the charges away for now, but we could put them back depending on all relevant factors. it prompted this headline from josh marshall at his news site, tpm. quote, donald trump is now the mayor of new york. quote, think what this means. adams isn't off the hook. he's essentially been given ten months to perform for his freedom to perform for donald trump. and what might the trump administration want from the mayor of america's largest city? well, from the justice department memo ordering s.d.n.y to drop the charges, quote, the pending prosecution has unduly restricted the mayor's ability to devote full attention and resources to illegal immigration. oh, i see. so, sure. sure enough. got it. and sure enough, today eric adams met with donald trump's point man on mass deportations, and
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mayor adams promptly announced that he's going to start allowing federal immigration agents into the city's biggest jail complex. even though there is a city law explicitly against that. interesting how much he wants to please donald trump right now, right? i wonder why that is. but here's why. today was a six resignation day at the us justice department. because even though the acting deputy attorney general, trump's personal lawyer, emil bove, ordered that the charges against eric adams had to be dropped, he ordered those charges to be dropped on monday. we've been sort of watching all week wondering what's going to happen, because here's thursday and as of this morning, those charges still had not been dropped. he ordered them dropped on monday. what's going on? well, the reason they hadn't been dropped is because s.d.n.y said, no, we're not going to do it. acting u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york said, talk to the hand. now,
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this was somebody specifically chosen by trump to fill this role until they got their own nominee confirmed. she is a registered republican. she's a prosecutor with what the new york times calls bulletproof conservative credentials. she's in the federalist society. she clerked for scalia. but when she was ordered by main justice to drop the charges against mayor adams, this acting u.s. attorney. her name is danielle sassoon. she wrote this remarkable memo to pam bondi, trump's newly confirmed attorney general. she said, quote, i deem it necessary to the faithful discharge of my duties to raise the concerns expressed in this letter with you and to request an opportunity to meet to discuss them further. the reasons advanced by the acting deputy attorney general, mr. bove, for dismissing the indictment are not ones i can, in good faith defend, as in the public interest, and as consistent with the principles of impartiality and fairness that guide my decision making.
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mr. bove proposes dismissing the charges against adams in return for his assistance in enforcing federal immigration laws. analogizing to the prisoner exchange in which the u.s. freed notorious russian arms dealer viktor bout in return for an american prisoner in russia. such an exchange with adams violates common sense beliefs in the equal administration of justice. the justice manual and the rules of professional conduct. adams has argued in substance, and mr. bove appears prepared to concede that the mayor should receive leniency for federal crimes solely because he occupies an important public position and can use that position to assist in the administration's policy priorities. in your words, she's quoting pam bondi to herself here. quote doj will not tolerate abuses of the criminal justice process, coercive behavior, or other forms of misconduct. danielle sassoon says, then, quote, dismissal of the indictment for no other reason than to influence adams mayoral decision making would be
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all three. rather than be rewarded, adams's advocacy should be called out for what it is an improper offer of immigration enforcement assistance in exchange for a dismissal of his case. although mr. bove disclaimed any intention to exchange leniency in this case, for adams, his assistance in enforcing federal law, that is the nature of the bargain laid bare in mr. bové's memo. that is especially so given mr. bove's comparison to the viktor bout prisoner exchange, which was quite expressly a quid pro quo, but one carried out by the white house and not by the prosecutors in charge of bout's case. sassoon notes in her in a footnote here. and this is like, actually maybe the most explosive thing in the entire thing. this is a footnote. she says, quote, i attended a meeting on january 31st, 2025, with mr. bove, mayor adams, counsel and members of my office. mayor adams's attorneys repeatedly urged what amounted to a quid pro quo, indicating that adams would be in a position to assist with the department's enforcement
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priorities only if the indictment were dismissed. mr. bove admonished a member of my team who took notes during that meeting and directed the collection of those notes at the meeting's conclusion. and finally, there's this quote. as you know, our office is prepared to seek a superseding indictment from a new grand jury. under my leadership, we've proposed a superseding indictment that would add an obstruction conspiracy count based on evidence that mayor adams destroyed and instructed others to destroy evidence and provide false information to the fbi. and that would add further factual allegations regarding his participation in a fraudulent straw donor scheme. so she's like, no, we're not dropping this. also, you want to talk about this quid pro quo thing and check my footnote in terms of your behavior here. but also we have another indictment of eric adams coming soon. so it's not like just existing
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charges that are going to be put on ice. you're going to have to put the upcoming charges on ice as well. danielle sassoon ends the letter with this quote because the law does not support a dismissal, and because i'm confident that adams has committed the crimes with which he's charged, i cannot agree to seek a dismissal driven by improper considerations. i understand my duty as a prosecutor to mean enforcing the law impartially, and that includes prosecuting a validly returned indictment, regardless of whether its dismissal would be politically advantageous to the defendant or to those who appointed me. in the event you are unwilling to meet or to reconsider the directive in light of the problems raised by beauvais's memo, i'm prepared to offer my resignation. it has been, and continues to be, my honor to serve as a prosecutor in the southern district of new york. very truly yours. danielle sassoon, u.s. attorney, southern district of new york. the hero was silent, but everybody could
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see it there. apparently, pam bondi declined to meet with danielle sassoon because today emil bove sent a new letter to danielle sassoon saying, quote, your resignation is accepted. he also says that assistant prosecutors on the case are to be put on administrative leave immediately. and he says the mayor adams case is going to be transferred to the justice department in dc because of her, quote, insubordination at s.d.n.y. but again, this this did not go the way they intended. once they transferred the case to main justice, they ran into more problems. when the top two officials overseeing the public integrity unit at main justice also promptly resigned. they said, we're not doing it either. they said we also will not go to court to ask the court to drop these charges against mayor adams. the top two people in the department said that at main justice and then three more people in that department resigned as well. and this all happens at a time. i mean, what a day, right? but i said, like, new york is at the heart of all
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these things going on. this all happened today with s.d.n.y. within 24 hours of what pam bondi did yesterday on camera live at a press event when she did something shocking and bizarre and ultimately quite factually wrong. >> we're here today because. >> we have filed. >> charges against the state of new york. >> we have filed charges. >> against kathy hochul. we have filed charges against. letitia james and mark. >> schroeder. >> who is with dmv. >> this is a new doj. >> you know, maybe a new doj, but nothing else. you said there was true. they did not file any criminal charges against new york governor kathy hochul or letitia james or any of the other people they mentioned. they did not file criminal charges. why did she announce they were filing charges? do you know what charges means? here was the statement in response from governor hochul, quote, earlier today, attorney general pam bondi marched in front of
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the tv cameras for a dramatic media briefing to announce she was filing charges against new york state related to our immigration laws. hours later, when legal papers were shared with reporters, we learned this was smoke and mirrors. d.o.j. was filing a routine civil action about a law passed in 2019 that's been upheld by the courts. time and again, we expect pam bondi worthless, publicity driven lawsuit to be a total failure, just like all the others. let me be clear. new york is not backing down. and the state of new york really does appear to be girding for this fight and very confident in their position. attorney general letitia james has already filed numerous lawsuits against the trump administration for their actions since trump was sworn in. she's already won some initial rulings, blocking some of the administration's most out there actions. so we're seeing the announcement of charges they didn't mean charges and a strong
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pushback from the governor. we are seeing the new york state attorney general file case after case after case against the administration to stop them what they're doing, stop them from what they're doing. and so far, a very good track record with those cases at least getting initial rulings from the courts to stop the trump administration in its tracks. there's one other thing to watch here, though, which is that the aggression toward new york and other democratic led states is not only coming from the federal government, it's also coming from state republicans, who i think are clearly sort of feeling emboldened by what they're seeing in washington from the trump administration. you may, for example, have seen the news recently that a state grand jury in louisiana indicted a new york doctor, indicted a new york doctor for providing abortion pills to a woman in louisiana. this is the first time criminal charges have been filed against a doctor for sending pills into a state with an abortion ban. well, today,
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the state of louisiana sent new york governor kathy hochul an extradition request for that new york doctor, saying, you need to ship that doctor to us in louisiana. new york has a shield law specifically enacted to protect abortion providers from exactly this kind of attempted prosecution by republican controlled states. and governor hochul received that extradition request, and she immediately got in front of the camera to say exactly what she was going to do with it. watch this. >> good afternoon. >> at 141 today, this. office received an order of extradition for a new york doctor, an abortion provider who lives upstate. she has been accused of participating. >> in. >> a murder. and they're saying that she is to be dealt with. the crime charged with the crime of a criminal abortion by means of abortion inducing drugs. louisiana has changed their laws, but that has no bearing on the laws. here in the state of new york, doctors take an oath
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to protect their patients. i took an oath of office to protect all new yorkers. and i will uphold not only our constitution, but the laws of our land. and i will not be signing an extradition order that came from the governor of louisiana. not now, not ever. i'll be very clear in that. and to establish that this is known across the state, we have sent out a law enforcement notice that certain out-of-state warrants are not enforceable in the state of new york. so anyone who possibly pulls over an individual or is involved in a situation for a doctor who has who is protected under our laws, is told you are not to cooperate and enforce this extradition. so i want to be clear that we have taken all the steps we can to protect this doctor, to continue allowing her to continue practicing what we believe is reproductive health, which i believe is an essential right. >> right now is happening on multiple fronts, in multiple
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places, all day, every day. few places are in the middle of this fight, as is the great state of new york. and joining us now live is governor kathy hochul of new york. governor, i really appreciate you making time to be here. thank you. tell us about this decision that you made when you received this extradition order from louisiana. how should people in this country expect this case to move forward? how do you expect the louisiana governor to respond? >> we put. >> this in place as soon as we heard about the overturning of roe v wade. i needed to protect our doctors because telemedicine is the number one reason people can get abortion pills in two thirds of all abortions are now by pills, and they've been approved by the fda for 20 years. it's safe. we have a doctor who's trying to help someone in another state who's been denied the right of control over her own body, just doing what her oath requires her to do. and now she's treated like a criminal. it was not a tough decision for me, rachel. i said no and hell no. i will never, ever send this person into
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harm's way to stand for 15 years of possible jail time for just being a doctor. and that's what our country has come to. this is the ripple effect of the overturning of roe v wade and the stacking of the supreme court under the last trump administration. i my mother's generation, fought for these rights. my generation was able to take them for granted, and they're not there for my daughter's generation. my god, we've got to stand up and fight and let these women know. and i'm sorry for the sisters in these states where they're being repressed, but we should not allow government mandated pregnancies. that's what happens when women don't have control of their own bodies. so we're always proud to stand up for women's rights here in the state of new york. >> i feel like i've been anticipating this for a long time because of the way because because you signed that shield law, because you knew this was coming. but i also feel very unsettled by the fact that it's on us. i really don't know how this is going to resolve. i presume that you're expecting this to end up in federal court, potentially with the united
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states supreme court deciding the strength of your shield law versus the strength of louisiana, or potentially texas's ability to take action against this new york doctor despite the shield. is that where you think this is going? yeah. >> i believe it is, because what they've set up was by saying this goes back to the individual states. well, i have to stand up for my state laws, the law that i signed in 2022 and again updated in 2023, says i have a responsibility, a legal responsibility to protect this doctor and other providers who are exercising this form of care for women, even out of state. so yes, it will probably end up in another judicial litigation. but the situation. but we've got to we can't just roll over and play dead here, rachel. i mean, what are we supposed to do, let this happen? no, we've got to fight for these rights. this is the place where the women's rights movement started in 1848. we had reproductive rights passed by a republican governor and republican legislature three years before roe v wade. let's look at that history and have people start saying, my god, how
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did this happen? we cannot have this. and as a governor, i will always stand up for the people of my state. >> new york is also leading the way with a number of other democratic led states in challenging some of the initial actions of the trump administration. day one challenging the effort to take away birthright citizenship, challenging the access by elon musk and his sort of kids to get into the treasury payment system, among a number of other lawsuits new york is taking on with other states the burden of litigation to try to stop them. do you see that as essentially the major clash in this country? the best legal footing the democrats have in terms of trying to stop them in the courts? >> it's truly all we have. >> as sad as that sounds. i served as a member of congress when the house was republicans, but we had democratic leaders in the senate. so there's always this firewall to stop crazy from happening. we don't have that anymore. i worked so hard to
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elect enough democrats to make hakeem jeffries the speaker, just to be a counterbalance. if we ended up with donald trump in the white house, we came as far as we could in new york. other states didn't get there. this is what we have to focus on. 2026 is right around the corner. so we as democratic governors need the reinforcements to stop this in washington. but until that time, we are it. and we have a lot of bold, courageous leaders there, great friends of mine. and the message that i want to deliver, we're not going to have a hair on fire every moment. there's too much incoming, and you lose your credibility with the american people if they think all you're trying to do is attack, attack, attack, attack. now, if the trump administration wants to roll up their sleeves and work with me to make new york city great again, help me invest in the subway system. make the subway system up to extend the second avenue subway up to harlem so communities of color can have a shorter commute to the money jobs down in wall street. you have my attention. i'll work with you. that's what i'm trying to do. and fight for
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congestion pricing, which i wasn't sure how it worked. rachel, people are getting around the city with ease and more of the commuters are coming in saying, my ride. i shaved 20 30 minutes and that is worth the cost. so these are areas i'm happy to work with the trump administration. so it's not all anti-everything, but you come after any of the rights that we take for granted in our state. now you've got a fight on your hands. >> let me ask you about this drama involving mayor eric adams and the corruption charges against him. what we've just seen with the resignation of the u.s. attorney, the trump appointed acting u.s. attorney, the removal of line prosecutors on that case, the demand from main justice to drop that case, the refusal from s.d.n.y to do it, the then the resignation of main justice officials who had the case dumped on them and they wouldn't take it either. this is just an incredible drama in terms of federal law enforcement right now, but you are in a very unusual position, a singular position with regard to this case, which is that thanks to the new york state constitution and new york city law, you are
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the only person who has the power to effectively fire mayor eric adams and remove him from this position, which might conceivably moot this whole fight. how are you thinking about that now? you could have done it at any point until now. but now, given this crisis that's emerged in federal law enforcement around this case, are you feeling differently about that responsibility? >> let me tell you from a couple of angles here. one is that this is unbelievably unprecedented for the department of justice in washington to interfere in this way. my husband was a 30 year old federal prosecutor. barack obama made him his united states attorney. you look at what happened here. this is not supposed to happen in our system of justice. the biden administration and that department of justice is already showing they're corrupt. now, set that aside. i did see the letter that was issued by the acting united states attorney. the allegations are extremely concerning and serious.
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>> yes. >> but i cannot, as the governor of this state, have a knee jerk, politically motivated reaction, like a lot of other people are saying right now, i have to do it smart. what's right. and i'm consulting with other leaders in government at this time. i've got to have one sane person in this state who can cut through all the crap and say, what is my responsibility? guide me to do. and just as when the allegations came out last september, i and the city was in chaos, i said, i will intercede, work with the mayor to get rid of a lot of people who are under indictment. comment down, bring in a new police chief commissioner who's doing an outstanding job. our subways are safer. people are feeling better around the city. more people are coming back. i don't want our rebirth to be stopped by this. i have to maintain stability and the chaos and do what's right for the city of new york. because as governor, i also represent the city. these are my constituents as well. i'm going to make sure they're protected here. so this just happened. i need some time to process this and figure out the right approach. >> but you are consulting with
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>> i can feel the winds of change. >> over the past. >> 20 years. >> election monitoring groups, human. >> rights organizations. >> and anti-corruption efforts have been funded in part by usaid, which has provided. >> more than. >> $2.6 billion to russia. president vladimir putin has now ended usaid programs reportedly out of concern. they interfere with elections by aiding opposition. >> groups. >> that was 2012. in 2012, 13 years ago, the vladimir putin government kremlin expelled usaid from russia. now, here we are 13 years later, and donald trump and elon musk's shut down of usaid, shut down of that
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entire agency, that of being celebrated by authoritarians everywhere. russia called it a, quote, smart move. hungary's dictatorial leader, viktor orban hailed the shutdown, his ally, saying they, quote, couldn't be happier. here's how the guardian headlined it. quote, authoritarian regimes around the world cheer on dismantling of usaid. nicaragua's state media, controlled by the family of the president, declared that trump turned off the faucet for what they labeled terrorists. venezuela's interior minister announced plans to investigate the agency, saying the government's opposition was paid by usaid. but it's not just that authoritarian leaders around the world and dictators around the world are celebrating this move by donald trump. the damage done by shutting this agency is turning out to be an ongoing and now newly serious disaster. when
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elon musk posted to his hundreds of millions of followers online, quote, usaid is a criminal organization that turns out to have had consequences. you know who's been more than happy to pick that up and run with it? check this out. this is from the guardian newspaper's andrew roth today. quote, right wing and autocratic governments have their knives out for usaid demanding data on grant recipients from elon musk and threatening employees and grant recipients with investigations and prison. usaid has long been a thorn in the side of governments in the region who have railed against u.s. support for pro-democracy and civil society movements. well, now local leaders for the first time see an ally in washington that will back a crackdown on usaid and its beneficiaries as if they are criminals in georgia. the government, not the state of
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georgia, the country of georgia. the government there has opened a mysterious case after the prime minister accused the u.s. embassy, usaid and other american backed organizations of, quote, acting in a coordinated manner against the georgian people and the georgian state. in slovakia, the prime minister there published a letter to elon musk in which he asked elon musk to share information about ngos and the media, and individual journalists who have worked in his country. in russia, the state duma speaker said the government should request a list of people who received funding from usaid and that they should be made to quote, publicly confess and repent on red square. quote. if they've declared usaid an enemy organization, let them provide the names. congress will send us the list, and we'll hand it over to the fsb. one current usaid employee tells the guardian, quote, this is trump's
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afghanistan withdrawal, cutting and running and leaving people who have faithfully and consistently worked for the usa and our interests being left behind to be jailed or worse. joining us now is congressman jim himes of connecticut. he's a ranking member on the house intelligence committee, the top democrat on that committee. congressman himes, i really appreciate you making time tonight. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> i confess that i worried a lot about the legality of what it meant to be shutting down usaid. i worried about the false information and lies and the impact of that in terms of the ways they were describing what usaid is. i worried about the material impact of shutting down usaid programs that do good work and keep people alive. i before today had not yet let my brain go there, that we are inviting dictators and tyrannical regimes around the world to arrest and imprison people who are associated with usaid for the
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crime of working with the united states of america. the guardian reporting today on this scale has put a real chill through me, and i wanted to get your reaction to it. >> yeah, yeah. >> you know. >> i mean, in in. inside dc circles, there's. hard power. >> that's the military. >> the battleships, the f-35s, the weapons. and there's. >> soft power now. >> soft power is a little harder to understand. >> soft power is persuasion. >> it's winning hearts and minds. >> but but let me tell you a story to best illustrate. >> how important. soft power is. and the. >> usaid is all about soft power. when i was a freshman, i think it was 2009. >> 2010 four. star marine corps. >> general james. >> jones walks. >> into. >> my office in a. >> cloud of lethality. >> and testosterone because. >> he is. >> a. >> united states marine. >> to his corps. >> and he says to. >> me. >> i need. >> you to support the foreign aid budget. >> and usaid. >> and let. >> me tell you why. >> because i used to have. the most unbelievable. >> weaponry you can.
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>> imagine floating. >> off the. >> course of the coast. >> of lebanon. >> and hezbollah. >> was beating me. >> why? >> because they were building hospitals for people. >> because they. >> were running newspapers. because they were providing food. >> and he said. >> if you. don't fully fund soft. >> power, usaid. >> hearts and. >> minds stuff. i'm going. >> to lose a lot more marines. >> so you couldn't have. >> said. >> it better. >> you know. >> if nothing else, when the worst people on the planet are giving you. a standing ovation, it's worth asking exactly why that's true. >> i'm worried. and also about the immediate danger to people who, again, their grave crime is having worked with the united states on programs that the u.s. congress agreed to and the american people funded. i mean, the guardian's reporting that some of these, you know, tyrannical governments around the world are now asking elon musk personally for information from usaid files, grant recipients, nongovernmental organizations, individual
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journalists that have been operating in their country because they had some connection to usaid. i have to ask you, does does elon musk have access to that kind of information? does he have any authority to share it with other governments? is there anything that can be done to prevent that eventuality? >> well. >> you know, given the impunity. >> and the illegality. >> with which elon musk and his merry band. >> of 20 year. >> olds have been. >> operating in. >> d.c. with. >> i, the. >> honest answer is. >> i don't know. >> but i would certainly assume that they've got access to what they want. >> now. >> a judge has said you don't get access to the payment. >> system and. >> you know, all kinds of judges, you know, a dozen plus of them are pushing back. >> but these are not. >> but these are not. patients who have sensitive teeth but also want whiter teeth they have to make a choice one versus the other. sensodyne clinical white provides two shades whiter teeth as well as providing 24/7 sensitivity protection. patients are going to love to see sensodyne on the shelf. we're still going for that sweet shot. and with higher stroke risk from afib
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30% off. >> everything. did you notice the little announcement that the trump administration has ordered a halt to all federal funding for electric vehicle chargers across the united states? ev charging stations? you might think that would be a problem for trump's. you know, billionaire co president. his his largest campaign donor, elon musk, who runs the electric car company tesla. but you know what? there's a reason he's not complaining. quite the contrary. and it's because elon musk's company, tesla, already has the biggest private charging network in the country, bigger than all of his competitors. so as he posted on his social media site last year, quote, take away the
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subsidies. it will only help tesla. well, now donald trump has done just that, leaving tesla unchallenged as the largest ev charging network in the country, with no one really having any chance to catch up to them. then there's one of musk's other companies, spacex, a huge government contractor. back in december, the new york times reported that the defense department's inspector general had opened a review into spacex for potentially violating rules about keeping sensitive government secrets out of the hands of our foreign adversaries. elon musk's own foreign travel and his contacts with foreign governments had reportedly not been disclosed regularly to the us government, which not only impeded his own security clearance but also reportedly led, in part at least, to this inspector general's security review of potential national security risks surrounding his companies and specifically him. well, when donald trump took office, he fired that inspector general
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conducting that review, along with 17 other inspectors general across the government. then there's elon musk's social media company, formerly known as twitter. when elon musk took over that company, one of his goals was to turn it into a digital payment company. he wanted everybody to start using twitter, the way they used zelle or venmo to send money electronically. starting this year, he announced a big new plan to do that. but, you know, the consumer financial protection bureau, the government regulator that makes sure credit card companies and banks can't charge you junk fees or unnecessarily hike up your interest rates and screw you over that way. the cfpb also regulates the kinds of digital money transfers that elon musk now wants to do at twitter. and as news points out today, the cfpb has just been finalizing new rules for that kind of payment system when over the weekend, they got shut down,
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musk and the trump administration shut the cfpb down entirely. so if you voted for trump because you thought banks and credit card companies are the good guys and they need more opportunities to screw people over on small print scams and junk fees and ballooning credit card interest rates and all the rest. well, if so, today must feel great. must feel like you got a lot for your vote. the pushback against trump's efforts to defund the police, to defund the financial police has begun in earnest. lawsuits have been filed already challenging trump's shutdown of the cfpb. today in washington, protesters and lawmakers. look at this. turned out again in the street. rallied in support of cfpb and its workers outside of its headquarters. this was today in washington. people showing up in person and democratic lawmakers showing up there to support them. one of those lawmakers is senator elizabeth warren. she was instrumental in the creation
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of the consumer financial protection bureau during the obama administration, and she has been defending it ever since. joining us now is massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. senator, thank you so much for making time to be here tonight. happy to. >> be with you. >> tell me about this protest today at cfpb headquarters. >> well, so we're in this moment where donald trump ran for president, saying over and over and over he was going. >> to lower. >> costs for american families. remember how much he talked about the price of groceries, the price of eggs, right. going to lower those costs. and now here we are, three weeks into the trump administration. and they say this consumer financial protection bureau, which is literally the cop on the beat to make sure that a family doesn't get cheated when they take out a mortgage, that you don't get tricked when the fine print on a car loan, that your credit card doesn't have a bunch of hidden. >> fees. >> in it, that your student loan issuer hasn't. scammed you. >> and. >> put you in the wrong program.
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so this is an agency that literally over the 13 years it's been out there working, has recovered more than $21 billion that these big financial institutions have cheated people out of and actually returned the money to the people that. >> they cheated. >> so what donald trump has. >> done, saying he really. >> wanted to lower costs, is he's taking this agency. that is the cop on the beat for the cheaters. and when they get caught, cheating makes them give the money back. >> and he said. cops step. >> aside, look the other way. we don't care how big the scam is. we don't care who's getting hurt. just everybody put your pins down, fold your hands, put them in your lap and let the scams roll on. >> what do you make about the way they have done this? because you and i have spoken before, since the formation of the cfpb,
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about all the ways that republicans have tried to come after it, and all the ways that, you know, people who represent these financial institutions have tried to kill it, have tried to undermine it. if it was this easy, if it was just a proclamation, tell all the workers to go home, stop working on any of this stuff. and by the way, we're shutting the building. why didn't they do it like this before? it seems to me like that might be an indication that this isn't actually a legal way to close this agency. >> that's exactly right. congress created this agency. there were laws that were passed, right? >> they passed a bill in. >> the house, passed a bill in the senate, did. >> a. >> conference, got the thing through. it was signed into law by the president of the united states, and only congress, not donald trump, not elon musk, not some 22 year old programmer. only congress can shut this agency down. but here's the trick on that one. you notice none of the republicans. oh,
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yeah, they, you know, beat on their chests and their big manly guys, and they keep putting in these bills to say, let's shut down the consumer agency, but they don't actually want a real vote on that. a lot of them don't actually want to stand next to exactly what they're trying to do. and that is shut down. the agency that has handled more than 6 million consumer complaints by people who got cheated by their credit. >> card companies. >> by. payday loan companies. they don't want to admit what they're trying to do. >> remember that. >> $21 billion that came out of somebody's hide? and you know whose hide it came out of? the cheaters and the scammers. it came out of the hides of the billionaire ceos, and they would like to have the opportunity to earn that money going forward. so they want to push. >> but there. >> are a lot of folks in congress actually. >> kind of. >> squeamish about that. so they did the end run. they tried it through the courts. and you know
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what the supreme court of the united states said, not once, but twice. the thing is perfectly constitutional. yes, it's going to go forward. if you want to change it. you got to go back to congress. and now here's donald. >> trump. >> elon musk and a handful of 22 year olds saying, no, we think we're just going to find another way to shut it down. it's not only not legal and not popular, really. it's a case. >> of. >> saying they want to fire the financial cops, but they'd like for nobody really to notice that. and particularly. elon musk would. >> like. >> nobody to notice that. he just wants to get rid of them just wants to get rid of them before he launches his new if you have wet amd, you never want to lose sight of the things you love. some things should stand the test of time. long-lasting eylea hd could significantly improve your vision. more people on eylea hd had no fluid in the retina
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